Online Harassment: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2015
- Online harassment is a major problem, but it’s rarely prosecuted. If only we’d been warned about this in the early days of the internet.
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It's absolutely absurd that there isn't a national law against revenge porn.
Wesley Shark Agreed.
True. Or you could just not record your sex life on video.
Jason Lyons that's an utterly irrelevant argument.
OK then
What if you never knew it was recorded at all?
Don't put legitimate harassment like revenge porn causing someone to attempt suicide and Sarkeesian's Bull Shit in the same video. Those things are not similar in any way.
*****
Everyone who gets famous online has their life threatened. She is not different. Just look at Jack Thompson. He is pretty much Sarkeesian, just from a decade ago. The same thing happened to him.
***** most of the threats on her are false/created by her and even if they were real. IT'S THE FUCKING INTERNET, NOBODY'S GONNA SHOOT YOU OVER THE INTERNET
*****
Exactly, so when she makes a huge deal out of something that happens to everyone in her position it diminishes real victims like the woman who was pushed to suicide becasue of revenge porn.
*****
not saying "harassing" people online is ok, it's just not a real problem
PraiseTheSun20 I agree. Ignore the trolls or troll them back if you want some laughs.
As a resident of Georgia, Im just gonna say that it's not a great sign when our state beats yours to laws protecting womens sexual rights.
Dawgs
GAUMARJOS SAQARTVELOS!!!!!
I am also a resident of Georgia and man you wouldn’t believe how cold it is in the Middle East
This comment didn't age well!
Revenge porn only became illegal in Ohio, March, 2019. Many other states have yet to do so. Why aren't there immediate federal laws to prevent such serious harassment?
Politicians in general, really.
And for Ohio, that's waaaay far ahead of the curve, considering the fact that everything else here is ass-backwards.
You're implying they believe women are people
@@GirtheAlienGoldfish So true... Especially with our governor
The laws change much more slowly than technology. But they have shut down the main revenge porn site for extortion (because they would take a picture off the site for five thousand dollars) and for posting pictures of underaged girls. They just didn't ask the age of the person being revenge posted.
This episode should have been titled "Revenge Porn". If they wanted to address online harrassment as a whole, it should have included others issues such as doxing and SWATing.
Jonah Cruz The revenge porn bit was only the last part of the video though?
Lone Mic Productions Nobody is stopping you from making a video about it...
siriuslynow No the only point he had was about internet porn. He brought up harassment do, for some reason only about women, that happens to us all. But this really had nothing to it other than hay this happens. The real meat of the segment was about revenge porn though.
Tuter King He made a segment about the harassment of women on the internet and how the laws and law enforcement in the U.S. is woefully behind in addressing it. That is literally the point of the video. What do you mean "for some reason only about women"? That...was the subject...of the video....
The first part of the segment about death threats and cops not knowing how to respond to it was also very "meaty" I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Jonah Cruz All these videos I've seen about online harassment commonly omit the swatting issue.
Why ? one could only guess, I'm sure it has nothing to with the fact that the overwhelming majority of
swatted victims are young males
Alright, why the hell does this video have 12,600 dislikes-
3:36
...Really? Are we really still treating this woman as literally Hitler? SERIOUSLY?
notbobby125 Well, yes.
notbobby125
She is more like Eric Cartman
notbobby125 Do some friken research on all the lies she said and all the money and praise she gets for them and you can try to understand
notbobby125 She stole over $400,000 of money from concerned feminists and tells lies DAILY to further her agenda. She is single-handedly setting Feminism back 60 years. So ya ... she is "literally Hitler."
notbobby125 A lot of trolls disliked it.
"I always picture John Oliver as a puffin" is honestly a compliment.
After his Japanese mascot skit I see him as a near-sighted otter.
I was Doxed at the age of 16 , the men spread my photos and info. I wanted to end everything when the cops came over and said "Just get off the internet." I suffer still to this day. 11years later.
Hey that is terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. You definitely don't deserve that. I hope you have a great day
A month later and people are still focusing on the fact that Anita and Brianna were on a video about online harassment for what amounts to less than 30 seconds and completely ignoring the rest of the video. I would say I have lost my faith in humanity but I lost that years ago.
Justin Purdy It isn't just that. He made it seem like something only men do to women. When it isn't a gendered issue. Studies have found that men and women are harassed about equally and the harassers are about equal parts men and women.
Justin Purdy
Because you pretty much know the angle of the rest of the video after that point and can't trust the objectivity of it anymore. It's not like their reaction was entirely wrong.
Toveri Juri I disagree. Him using two, possibly, bad people as examples doesn't destroy the objectivity of the entire thing.
WraithCommander42 I will have to agree with you on that one as he did pretty much just ignore that men get harassed as well.
Justin Purdy
He was defending her. I for example just knew the moment I saw her in that context where the video was going. And I was right. Might as well not have watched it.
Oh... you brought up Sarkeesian... You shouldn't have done that John. These comments are a nightmare, aren't they?
Alex Havener You have no idea.
Alex Havener
He probably planned it. He'll just disregard all the comments as "further harrassment" (despite the fact that Anita is a known con-artist) and he'll spin it into his favor.
Holdin McGroin As dumb as I think Anita is, why does her crime excuse the harassment she receives?
14Schofield
She doesn't receive harrassment any more than the average RUclips personality. However, when she gets a "lol kill urself" mail, she doesn't laugh it off like they do.
Instead of wasting his time on a con-artist, Oliver should've reported Swatting, which is an actually dangerous crime.
Holdin McGroin
I don't believe that just laughing off threats is the proper way to go about this. May be showing my age here, but back before we had the internet, sending threats to people through the mail or by telephone were typically followed up on by the police, and more often than not the people who sent those threats was punished for their actions. The internet is making that considerably more difficult, but it is certainly not something that we should just give up on as a society.
Last semester I chose to do my final project concerning revenge porn and the DMCA, and this information is virtually all the same. Nothing has changed in any dramatic way in the four years between this video and now. It's horrifying.
Now I'm really depressed but thanks for the info. Hopefully something will be done soon!
Nothing will be done until people who understand the problems in our generation are in charge
Nothing will be done. I think that many many males hate women.
@@elcruzer5514 nothing will be done. I think many many women hate men. Revenge porn happens to males too stop being sexist.
At least the public consensus about the "tHen DoNt TaKe NaKeD pIcTuReS" response seems to have shifted. Haven't seen that smoothbrain response for a while now.
Rick: Did you Do it?
John: Yes
Rick: What did it cost?
John: 40 thousand dislikes...
41 thousand dislikes now. i can see the dislikes thanks to return RUclips dislikes extension.
@@tengkudita3665 where can I get that?
@@jaydrianpieters7718 it’s a chrome extention
People who dislike this are foolish because this issue generally is unacceptable no matter what
Emad Wolf Correct, now if only Oliver had presented it in a nonsexist way then maybe people wouldn't have hit the dislike button so many times.
That would be true if it weren't presented in such a sexist way against men...
Matthew Walters Against Men?!..... you're funny
Emad Wolf
So, being against sexism is funny? Aren't you the horrible human being.
Emad Wolf
Whatever.
I don't know what's more depressing: that women have to deal with this stuff because of some vindictive loners, or that people thought that video games were a sufficient reason to send death threats over.
***** the most depressing part is, that, that this noncence is still being regurgitated and people (like you) still buy in to it.
Random Cat No offense, but do you honestly think that some gamers are not capable of sending online threats? Have you ever played CoD online... ever? I've heard grown-ass adults telling little kids how they will murder their families.
***** youre definitely looking to deep in to it. fail.
MrGrizmint Yes, because terrorizing little kids over the internet is definitely normal, right? It's definitely not an overreaction
***** yeah, of course. It had nothing to do ethics in gaming journalism. Nothing to do with trying to stop cronyism, corruption and con-artists. Nothing to to with trying to insure a fair discourse. Nothing to do with trying to insure these said victims of harassment did not become the gate keepers of culture. To act as the self appointed witch hunters of a new McCarthyism. Quelling free speech and creativity in gaming according to desperate radical ideologies. No, it was about a bunch of criminal trolls who hated these women.
None of these women had people show up, or stalk them. You know that right?
Yeah, death threats are criminal. But they didn't get knives sent to them in the mail. They get the threats everyone else whose popular gets online. Anita and Brianna made it an issue because it sold their wares. Anita's a con artist, Brianna's an opportunist. They are success storys because of the Streisand effect. They owe their success to the gamer-gate movement. They are the demon GG unwittingly created.
This has an uncomfortable amount of dislikes
Edit: for the love of CHRIST! This comment is 7 months old at this time! Stop! Fucking! Replying!
Glenna Smith It’s because of the “congratulations on your white penis” line probably and maybe that he talked about Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu (that complaint is dumb) I honestly didn’t like the white penis line either because he carried that attitude into the rest of the video even though there is this thing called swatting where people will get a swat team to raid your house and there are a ton of videos of it happening to white guys on live-streams and stories of it happening to white guys. I’ve also heard of a youtuber having his address leaked and a hit put out on him, threats made so a youtuber wouldn’t be allowed to go to a convention he was invited to, a youtuber’s sex tape was leaked. All white guys. So I understand the annoyance and anger some people have when John Oliver seems to spin this as an issue that doesn’t effect white guys. You could say that’s not what he meant by that “white penis” line and it was just a joke which is fair but the combination of that line and not addressing the points I brought up sends the message that it doesn’t/can’t effect them in any serious way. What will help this issue get better is more victims of online harassment feeling safe, comfortable and confident enough to speak out about it and share their troubling stories. John Oliver’s piece doesn’t do that for a large percentage of the US population and instead makes the situation worse. But don’t get me wrong the issues and stories he did address were important and should be talked about so I didn’t hate the video.
@@clayjack9969 wow I did not bother to read that
@@Andre_APM fair
Holy shit. It really does!!!
Thats because john oliver didnt do much research on the people he was presenting as victims
Anita Sarkeesian is not just some "innocent woman" who has become an "innocent victim" of online harrasment
she tried hard to deliberately tarnish the reputation of videogames for her own profit by making false sexism claims
and manipulative videos about them where she spread straight up lies about the Gaming community as a whole
without doing any research at all or backing up her claims
she is no activst and doesnt give a flying fuck about videogames
all she did was playing the professional victim and pull at your heartstrings to make a quick buck via donations
and the stupid public fell for it
Brianna Wu used fake accounts to "harass herself" in order to get attention
That became public after she attempted to harras herself while still using her main account on steam
Thank you. I don't post things ever, but I appreciate this and wanted to acknowledge it. I was hacked and stalked for about 2 years. I ended up deleting all my internet presence and leaving the country for a few years to get away from them as it was escalating (and they found out about that too). They knew a lot and even called my friends to tell them to warn me etc. Parents and police thought it was a joke. The police said the percentage of people who act on threats they make online is so low and that it was likely someone I knew who had access to my computer who was doing it, not someone actually online. That's it! I still worry a bit and never post (that was 8 years ago- 10 since it began). To hear that part about making the mistaking of having a thought in her mind and vocalizing it is so true and was good to hear being acknowledged. Thank you John Oliver/HBO and everyone else who was part of putting this together.
I'm really, really sorry to hear that. I hope you're in the process of recovering.
It’s so true! As soon as I heard that I thought “thank you for acknowledging” because people just don’t seem to get this. I’m really sorry to hear about what happened to you. Seeing how these women were treated and reading your story actually made me feel both ill and angry at the same time. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, because threats themselves do not affect people life, only if they are executed they become a problem. Thanks police, it's reassuring to know you do something AFTER I or my family members have been molested or killed.
Not to say something negative about parents and/or police, but that is serious if they are stalking you and even contacting you via your friends. Harassing via messages is bad in itself, but tracking you and threatening you via your friends? That is seriously messed up.
Had the police taken the stalking and threatening part more seriously, they can easily track down and punish the offender, and made you feel safe, rather than still carrying worry when attempting to access the internet.
"But what about the men" - Every Comment Section on this topic, ever.
Goatmon No, everyone is stating how Anita is a liar and it has been proven that the death threats she received before public speeches were fabricated by herself.
***** Of course those are serious concerns.
And I'd take them way more seriously if 99% of the time they get brought up was for something other than just derailing talks about women being harassed.
When someone brings it up as an actual discussion, I talk about it. I've done it before, plenty.
When people bring it up purely because "WHY ARENT YOU TALKING ABOUT MENS PROBLEMS HURF DURF" I just roll my eyes.
Jaxon Flaxon Waxon That's just a rumor. The FBI seemed more than satisfied that the death threats were legitimate.
Tyrannosaurus Rekt Oh look, another dipshit accusing a male feminist of wanting to get laid....
FeynmanProblem No they never said that they never even investigated them the police and the school both said they were not legitimate never made it past them
Women are not weak people. They can handle themselves on the Internet. The Internet is safe and there will always be trolls. But women don't need you or anyone else patronizing them.
***** It's true that women don't need anyone patronising them, but making a blanket statement about the Internet's safety isn't exactly accurate. It's true that most people don't suffer any negative consequences using it, but a lot of, for lack of a better word, fucked up shit has happened on the Internet. It's not exactly completely innocent here.
This is what feminists should be saying, but for some reason these are the kinds of opinions feminists attack and disagree with.
Gandalf the Gay people supporting letting women have their private photos released isn't feminism. Making sure everyone is protected from online harassment is feminism.
No NO No, feminism seems very intent on stopping women from having anything bad being said about them, they don't seem to understand that once you say anything controversial then you will get shit said to you, look at people like the amazing atheist and thunderfoot, they say controversial shit and constantly get death threats, thunderfoot even got people making believable looking porn made of him and putting it on the internet, people exposing where he works to people that would potentially harm him with the intention of people harming him and impersonating him to say horribly offensive stuff. Now I ask you why has no one mentioned that, it's way more serious than the non-credible death threats that a majority of people with any sort of fame or recognition get frequently but I don't see any feminists talking about how horrible this all is
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how are you going to compare some guys who have built a large presence on the internet to the average woman? I'm not saying there isn't a problem there but why should that drown out this issue? This isn't about a bad thing being said about people, it is about people having actual issues in their life caused by someone leaking their information.
"This might happen and you can't control it" and "If this happens to you, it's your fault" are both terrible things to hear here.
These are also lame excuses to coddle bullies and harassers, allowing them to take advantage of not being held accountable
@@daniellemullen5035
Remember kids; if some jerk is harassing you, or your parents are harassing you, pull up your pants and punch them in the fucking eye.
It's so infuriating dealings with men who just dismiss, dismiss, ignore women speaking up. Thank you John for spreading this message, women need male allies to help end this hell. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed it gives me an anxiety attack. And this is America jfc
This is the one time John Oliver has lost me, too many of the "High Up" people will refuse to look beyond the immediate to see beyond Sarkeesian and how she has always made money off of her "Threats"
BTW, I have a white penis, I get threats almost weekly, very real and ugly threats, but I don't advertise them - cry about them, nor take almost ANY of them seriously - only ONE I took seriously, never reported it online, went to RCMP, they are still investigating
So... this is the only one I could not watch all the way through, the homework was NOT DONE WELL
***** Maybe I'm missing something in your reply, but since you also have received threats online, wouldn't you be in agreement with this segment and happy that it's spreading the word?
***** How do you make money off of rape threats? How do you even set a plan in motion to make money off of threats. Or are you saying the threats did start happening, and then she simply capitalizing on them.
I have never understood the negativity Anita gets. She is an academic. Her writing stands or falls on its own validity. She might be wrong, or her argument may not hold up critically. Sure. But all the violence and venom she gets...because she said mean things about Mario ...
***** Then why do you watch this show? This show cries foul on a lot of things. I m sorry dude, but there's no reason to hate Anita. You're a whimp if you can't take someone's opinion, digest it, then argue your own points without flipping out. I disagree completely with Anita, but i'm not ignorant enough to think she's killing video games or changing them in a meaningful way. Not only that, the irony is that all of you crying about SJW are the ones giving the SJW their power and credibility. Without people reacting like a lynch mob, the SJW won't have anyone to fight. But, as it seems to always be the case with human conflict, both sides are too freakin' ignorant and blind to realize that they're just the snake biting its own tail. The SJW and the ANit-SJW people have way more in common than they want to recognize. Also, quit victim blaming. It's never okay to threaten someone unless they're like about to murder your baby or something. It's disgusting to threaten people and, for me, it's even more disgusting to lambast people for crying foul on those that threaten others. Get over it, bad shit happens, and it's not going to stop unless we all pull together to stop it. Just like you went to RCMP to deal with that threat shows that you don't always "handle shit yourself" so quit telling people, people you don't know on a personal level, when it's okay and not okay to handle shit on their own.
***** I never followed the Sarkeesian story, so I can't make any assertion about her claims or any claims against her. Indeed, it may have been a mistake to include her in the video; again, I don't know. But I am interested in some of the general assertions you've made here.
You say that this is a society of wimps and that people who are harassed online should handle it themselves. How do you feel about stalkers and such in real life? Should people report them to the police, or handle it themselves? And since real-world stalkers in many cases do eventually turn violent, why should people receiving threats believe that online threats are usually harmless?
You say that you were threatened because you fed some trolls online. I may misunderstand your description, but it seems like you were trying to rile people up and perhaps you expected them to threaten you. Most of Oliver's report addresses the experiences of people who had no interest in stirring up anger or controversy, who were just going about their daily lives, but for whom the internet became a place of harassment and threat. He speaks specifically about women whose lives have been all but ruined by people posting nude photos of them online without their permission. I ask for information about the threats you've received not to invalidate your experience but to ask whether it was comparable to the experiences addressed in the report.
amt253 The thing is, these people either fabricate these threats to gain whatever they want (money, fame, further their agenda) or just overreact to what happened. Look at Brianna Wu, where the police of their district already released a document where it stated that after investigating the reports, her "threat" reports are not real and just waste the police resources; because she still files reports again and again and again. They undermine real threat victims and as said before the waste real time and resources meant to help and investigate real threats.
Brianna wu? Anita sakeesian? Really Oliver? -_-
IzanagiXZ Whether you believe GG or not, death and rape threats are not okay. No one deserves that.
IzanagiXZ you may not agree with their *absolutely not harmful* work, but you must acknowledge the *harmful response* to their work.
Pokerface That's true, but in those instances, the people who you want to hand those to are the police. Not CNN and Huffington Post who are trying to make a quick buck.
There is a line when harassment goes too far, and it did for some of these women. Steps should be taken in order to ensure that it can be mitigated. However, people who try to take advantage of those systems shouldn't be legitimized, and Anita Sarkeesian/Brianna Wu are the poster children for those kinds of people.
John Oliver fucked up.
yashisawsome When the law fails, people go to the press. It's been that way for ages.
ZDProletariat Actually I believe he wasn't saying anything about GG and was saying that believing Anita and Wu are the quickest ways to trash your credibility.
‘The internet: a dark carnival of humanities most wretched impulses’. Never heard of something so accurate in my life.
"humanity" you mean men.
This happened to me in 2015. Whackjob ex posted nude pictures of me on Facebook where I have 5000 business connections. He also started a new FB profile in my name with nude pics of me as my picture and had clients calling me for hours to tell me because they got friend requests.
So, I was in Florida at the time, and I filed for a protective order at the courts that was so strong, that guy can’t even mention my name and he is arrested immediately. The best thing is that it is permanent, doesn’t expire and follows me across state lines.
I was pulled over for having an expired tag and it’s attached to my drivers license because the officer asked me about it and made sure my male son was not this guy.
I haven’t had an issue with him since. I’m sure he has moved on to someone else.
Everyone's talking about the harassment problem and I'm just sitting here wondering how I got Rickroll'd in 2016.
+Christoph TSS
that year didnt start well
😂
+Christoph TSS top comment right here
+Christoph TSS John O, bad move, son. You'll regret having rickrolled us!
+Yairo Martis He dun goofed on this one.
You had a really good video had it not been focused solely on women, and if Anita and Wu were not in there.
"YA DUN FUCKED IT UP!"
Edit: Stop marking comments as spam. No matter how ridiculous EITHER side is being, I'll restore them. Also fuck you Google+. Carry on.
Ric Ancira I don't follow. I'm saying men should be included.
***** Woah hey there, don't give anyone a comment to point at and yell "HARRASSMENNNTTT!!"
Ouroboros The video being focused mostly on women is fine. Harrasment happens to everybody, but women are still more often the target then not, _especially_ online.
Of course, bringing Sarkeesian and Wu in was a clear fuck-up.
Ouroboros Anita is a perfect example... the threats against her for having a successful kickstarter is absolutely ridiculous...
Ouroboros Men get harassed sure but the abuse women receive is extremely misogynistic in nature. They get harassed by thousands gamers more misogynistic than the most fundamentalist of Islamists.
"If you DIDN'T WANT that to happen, you should not have taken pictures" is as good a sentiment as, "if you didnt WANT to get murdered, you should not have been born."
Wait till John Olivers researcher started digging about what 4chan did over the years. Yeah, internet can ruin lives
who were they ???
@@tackytaco8133 4chan is a website. Some of its users are really good at doxxing people (finding out who they are and where they live)
@@greatdanelegend7001 Wow. That's messed up.
@@tackytaco8133 Usually for good reason. They got burger king foot lettuce guy fired....
@@Nigelfarij Go too the Police thats the right thing. Because a lot of freaks think they are on the right side of things when they are not.
Wow. John Oliver sold out just like Stephen Colbert.
Nick Rhodes how? he talked about a legitimate that a lot of people ignore. That isn't selling out, thats what he does every freaking week. Also, how did Stephen sell out?
He sold out to the "white male privilege" crowd, implying that a white penis stops harassment, even though it's mostly white guys who get SWATed.
Nick Rhodes Selling out is when you get money for something immoral. This is merely a failure to research.
I don't think you know what selling out means. Usually it means joining a big company or selling something on your show. It doesn't usually mean saying." Women are people and should be treated as such"
Inorganic Vegan he never talked about swatting, he talked about revenge porn and online harassment (though I feel like I would like to see John handle Swatting) or did you mean Colbert? In which case, no he never sold out like that. I don't even entirely know what you mean by that statement. White Males are what takes up a majority of the law and Government, so it kinda makes sense that asks them to to cut it out.
Did I.... Did I just get rickrolled by John Oliver??
Oh yeah 23 hrs ago twice
Yes, yes you did...
Yes you did so good!
yes... i am surprised, that he managed to get the clip, using his spider hands XD
Blast!
water: like air but a bit more chokey
The Internet
A dark carnival of humanity's most wretched impulses
Yep.
no thats the 2016 election silly
but also puffins
WHY IS NO ONE LISTENING TO THE OTHER SIDE!?
Why is it that all of these news outlets are only interviewing anti Gamergaters? There are TWO sides to this story.
Gamergate is NOT about harassment, it is about ethics, integrity, and anti-censorship.
I wish these guys would actually do more research.
Blake Bailey To clarify, yes- online harassment is awful, I'm not defending that. It's that you had two professional victims and pathological liars on this episode.
Blake Bailey Disinformation, and narrative.
Someone's profiting off running such a blatant lie, which is why GG is such a scary thing to them, it's the people creating their own narrative, not taking what the media gives them.
Blake Bailey Insisting that it's about ethics doesn't change that the movement has been used for more nefarious purposes. Just repeating "it's about ethics in games journalism" doesn't erase that, nor does it lend credibility to the movement in any way. I know it can be frustrating to wave the GamerGate banner and have people respond by assuming you're a bad guy, but that's the problem when you throw yourself in with a nasty lot that has made a poor name for themselves. I said it back in August 2014 and I'll say it again: If people in GamerGate wanted to be taken seriously as a movement that sought after ethical journalism, they would be wise to distance themselves from the hashtag that has been used for so much negativity and harassment. A re-branding is long overdue, and this time there should be no tolerance for those who would seek to use the movement as a proxy for their own hate.
***** You know it's been Anti-GG'ers that have been doxxing, sending death threats, lying and creating general terror, correct?
jennofhardwire.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/gamers-discussing-gamergate-scandal-are-being-harassed-wheres-the-coverage-this-article-will-be-regularly-updated-with-documented-harassment-of-gamers/
The amount of lying and self-sent threats have been amazing. They're trying to martyr themselves to kill a movement that's drained Gawker of half it's money for being scum.
Blake Bailey Not once did they mention "gamergate". It's just a "coincidence" that gamergaters are perfect examples of online harassment....or is it?
You people who pressed dislike. You do know you are totally proving the point he is making?
Herman Falck How Criticism does not equal harassment.
Herman Falck How And giving him more views. Controversy is more attention-grabbing and likely to be spread than something everyone would agree about.
Funny that it's this video rather than any other video, eh?
I guess Gamergaters are most easily offended people around.
Herman Falck How I can imagine there were people who immediately hit dislike after seeing Sarkeesian and Wu. I can't deny that I'd have taken the video more seriously if they were not included, but the issue is still important over all.
Herman Falck How
So if I make a video about how men are the only internet victims and you dislike it that means you're proving my point?
Herman Falck How yea you right having a different opinion mean you are proving there point. People get these threats all the time.
John Oliver: *Rickrolls me*
Me: Jokes on you! I'm into that shit
Amanda Todd was what brought this issue to my attention, and she was able to press charges because she was a minor, but wtf is this? I am so repulsed and disgusted I can't. There's a girl on tiktok who's ex leaked her nudes and people are LITERALLY SETTING IT AS THEIR PROFILE PIC JUST TO HARRASS HER. HORRIFYING
I wish this video wasn't focused just on harassment women get. It seems that the worst crime you can commit online is being a straight white male who likes video games.
And let's be fair, not taking naked photos is genuinely good advice. Telling people to take preventative measures is not a bad thing.
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Okay, I'm adding this here because people are too stupid to actually read what I said. I'm not blaming victims here. I'm just saying that telling someone not to take nude photos of themselves is good advice because they can't get leaked if they don't exist.
The worst crime you can commit online is being a straight white male who likes video games and behaves like an asshole about being a straight white male who likes video games.
+Roy Batty well if you talk to Anita who thinks "you can't be sexist against a man" just being a male is enough of a crime to warrant harassment and abuse. heck according to her being called a liar is harassment.
+The4thSnake Dear the 4thSnake clearly you do not understand that women get more harassment then men thus it is easier to talk about it as it is clearly a problem, now your crime is that you are a moron because how is that even relevant ? taking naked photos is good advice ?? sorry missing the problem here, the ex-boyfriends are beaching Human rights and your blaming the girl for taking them ??
Callum Reid Dear Callum, if you actually read what people say before responding in a condescending tone, you won't look like such an ignoramus. I never said that taking naked photos is good advice, nor am I blaming the girl.
All I said was that "don't take naked photos of yourself to prevent revenge porn, etc." is good advice as a preventative measure in the same way that "lock your doors to prevent theft" is good advice as a preventative measure.
In addition, even if you do have irrefutable proof that women get harassed more than men online, how is men getting harassed not also a problem?
Please do yourself a favour and learn to think before you type to avoid wasting the time and brain cells of others as they try to make sense your inane ramblings.
oh please ^^ firstly thats like saying don't do drugs, people are not gonna follow it, what we need to focus on is changing this idea that the ex boyfriend has this idea that he has the right to post her nudes on the internet.
Secondly the proof was in the video, clearly didn't pay attention -.- also its a problem for men but it's a smaller percentage thus when talking about online harassment it is easier to get information around female harassment than males. Another problem is that finding statics around male online harassment is hard enough as they wouldn't want people to know they are feeling vulnerable.
*Anita's claims are exaggerated* out of proportion which she uses to turn a blind eye to legit criticisms and continue milking her "allies" (as she likes to put it) and passbyers who only gave the issue a cursory glance and think they are being a good samaritan by donating money to her.
John should have picked a better example than a suspiciously manipulative woman whose motives are highly questionable.
*"Don't have a house!" Is not a fair analogy.*
They are not saying you shouldn't do whatever you want.
They are just saying you should second guess and exercise care when putting stuff on the internet because in reality, there are bad peope with bad intent on the internet.
They remind us that the internet may feel like a vapid cloud distant from reality, but does in fact have effect in the real world.
The better analogy would be "Sure, you can leave your windows open. It is neither morally nor legally wrong to do that! But just remeber that in reality, there are bad people looking to exploit you, and you should take caution before doing that. Just remeber that you have a higher chance of finding your living room TV gone the next morning. We may not like it, but this is the reality. So here is a piece of advice, lock your windows."
If my memory is correct, when it comes to all online harassment and other forms of cyber terrorism (ex: cyber stalking), *men receive them a lot as well.* (Yes, white men too)
Hell, even me, a faceless randy on the internet get a lot of libelous bullshit thrown at me and get cyber stalked for commenting on RUclips videos.
Harassment faced by men are just not blown out of proportion because to males, online harassment is taken less seriously and less emotionally compared to women. (Plus the society don't take them as seriously as well)
Generally, if you noticed, internet shitflingers don't really care about one's gender.
They only mention gender (if they even know it) to get their target's head boiling.
For instance, if the target is a woman, they'll say some shit about making them a sandwich.
If a target is a man, they'll say some shit about their target having a small penis.
This is just Insult 101.
My advice, don't feed the trolls.
Don't take this seriously and hide your anger, these shitslingers thrive on your anger.
And If you are subjected to cyber terrorism, contact the authorities.
But you know what?
I don't think John did too bad of a job.
While I do think there were better ways to address this issue, I don't think it is "The worst thing to happen." like people make it out to be.
And it is certainly true that the current state of online criminal prosecution is shoddy.
A stupid kid who said some stupid mean stuff online is being dragged through the mud while real harassers and cyber terrorists sit back and generate more chaos.
Does this look like an efficient model?
Plus, revenge porn certainly seems like it is more scewed towards females.
After all, it is a gender 'nuanced' form of defamation.
So I don't think John was wrong in that regards.
I merely wish he didn't isolate the issue too much so that we'll be blind to the whole picture of the issue.
To the passbyers who only gave a cursory glance to the issue, and waved the feminist flag, I suggest being more skeptical.
I'm not saying you have to conform to my views.
I'm just suggesting there is more to this issue than a simpleton's view of "Cis-white-male hurass womyn ;^;" (and question yourself whether if this view is actually reverse racism or sexism)
To the red pilled, (as you people like to refer to yourselves) be fair here.
Declaring John to be a kool-aid drunk moron is a gross exaggeration.
Do some self-reflection and think whether or not that is a groundless emotional reaction.
Exercise fairness and neutrality rather than falling into polarized political fights fueled by tribalism.
My god, no one is going to read all this wall of text.
But if you did....
Have a good day.
*****
Exactly, she is hypocritical, intellectually lazy, and dishonest with her claims.
It is pretty much clear that she isn't a liable source of any information or critique.
Which is why I think John Oliver made a huge mistake using her as an example.
It's equivalent to bringing on Verizon to tell us about the horror of the regulated free-market.
I restored *giggi4455* and *Matt Kloss*'s comments.
They were marked as spam comments.
I hope people no longer try to abuse RUclips's system to create an echo-chamber.
ZURATAMA1324 You, I like you.
Also, how is Kool-Aid an insult?
ZURATAMA1324 Brilliantly said..
***** You are using "slut shames" wrong if you think it can be done to fictional characters. The reason slut shaming is wrong is because there is nothing wrong with a woman expressing her own sexuality by means of her own body. It's about her and her desires and her wishes. A fictional character can't have this at all. The character is controlled by the creator, and this means the sexualization is an extension of the creator's desire and those of the intended audience. Which is where the big difference is. The character has no choice. If you were intending to have a character express her own sexuality, it would have to be made to be as independent of the creator and audience as possible. If the creator does it with the intention of exciting the audience, it's no longer about the character... So yeah... No.
Also, can you give me one of the "countless examples" so I know where to start?
Can you imagine someone saying "the internet is not real life" today 😂
it's 5 years later and I chuckled at a rickroll.
When I heard "female video gamer", I worried.
When I saw Anita, I bailed.
Count Jack Noire Yup, I just paused the video here. I guess by SJW standards I get 'triggered' by her, but no, I really just can't bear to hear her voice. She's so full of shit.
Count Jack Noire I couldn't watch anymore after seeing her TRIGGERED face on screen
I love John Oliver but this episode was just boring. I know this is a comedy show but there has to be something more interesting to talk about.
Count Jack Noire What's so terrible about her?
Jackson DeStefano
The way she makes a living, if you look at her original kickstarter page 2 years ago, you might see some sings of scam aritistry.
Don't take naked photos and send them to people. at least crop your face out. god damn.
It's a pretty avoidable thing.
tmass1 did you even watch the video? or know that blaming a victim is completely stupid?
***** Did you know you're completely stupid? Or that it's possible to have your own thoughts and opinions on matters? Is LWT the only place you create your own "informed" decision?
pmcaninch42 Taking nude pics and giving them out is the same thing as unlocking all your doors and putting a giant neon sign on your house that reads "please rob me!" Have some common sense. That was a false comparison by Oliver. If you forcibly had nude pics taken then yes, but actively sending your nudes to men is like wearing a sign that says "please murder me" and handing them the gun. I'm against revenge porn but I'm also against people failing to use their brain for 2 seconds before making a decision and demanding that society coddle them for their own stupidity.
tmass1 So if someone record a woman with a hidden camera it's still her fault, right. Very smart.
***** The example he used was "don't buy a house if you don't want to get burglarized." Buying a house, getting married, raising a family, having a job, wearing clothing, eating food... These are all normal activities that regular people do in order to live and maintain society. Taking naked pictures of yourself is completely optional.
Bottom line: don't do anything in real life or on the Internet that you're not willing to take responsibility for, because chances are, somebody will eventually find out.
I have so much respect for people who talk about their mental health on interviews. What strong people!
If I ever date someone who asks me for naked photos I’ll always refuse. It’s my body and I protect myself first and foremost.
Which is absolutely your right. To be fair though, your significant other requesting an intimate picture of yourself isn't harrasement and making that point isn't really appropriate to the subject matter.
Just exclude your face in the pics
V.V At least you can say that in foresight in hindsight I’m screwed but good for you, I really mean that
I knew a girl (no longer with the guy, luckily) in school that was given the choice by her boyfriend.
Either he'd masturbate to porn if she was out, ór he'd masturbate to her pictures. She chose the latter.
A few months later, she sat crying at the table with us, because he'd broken up and refused to delete the pictures, saying they might come in handy. Awful.
Good! Stick to your guns, no matter what! Fuck men who pressure women into sending nudes.
The moment I saw Anita Sarkeesian is the moment I knew that this topic would be misleading and/or not worth the watch.
Though I do agree that sexism is an issue on the internet, Anita Sarkeesian is known to cherry pick, lie, and make threats against herself for either donation money or pity.
Oh, and don't even get me started on Brianna Wu.
Raikouza source?
***** Like Anita but a lot more SJW-ey and more aggressive on twitter. Just find her twitter (@spacekatgal or something I think) and just read through it.
***** Here's the thing about the fake threats against herself: www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake-death-threats-against-herself
***** Care you need to add a "(sarcasm)" cause some people will actually openly admit to thinking that way.
***** Did I ever say she did? I'm just saying she's not a good source when it comes to this as she's known to lie and exaggerate. No one deserves to be doxxed no matter who you are or how 'bad' people perceive you on the internet.
Out of all the people who really care about this issue and work their butts off to make a change, you chose to represent one of the loudest online bullies that is out there. GOOD FUCKING JOB!
MizzRosenrot IKR. How frustrating :(
Come on, AOL isn't *that* bad...
MizzRosenrot I didn't see any bully in this video.
KazeAizen the persons talking about either Anita sarkeesian or Brianna wu. They both use their connections with the media to slander and lie to a wide group of people, call any criticism harassment and then play it up so their supporters will fund them. anita has been conning people out of thousands of dollars for years. And they both say things that sound like quotes from Stalin all the time.
Kansas MGTOW Funny because the only thing I saw were two women trying to do a job and fearing for their lives. One making an iPhone game and the other talking about the social responsibility of games in this modern age. Also slander? Who do they slander exactly? GG?
Ahhhhhh, the irony. I was criticizing an argument against John Oliver in a RUclips comments section and I got a rape threat as a response when asking why my point was stupid 😊. I can't believe the horrible things people, and especially women, face when expressing an opinion. And I'm not talking about a silly rape threat I experienced while defending John Oliver, I'm talking about revenge porn and people getting doxed.
Women speaking up have constantly faced consequences in the past too. Not just physical beatings by their brothers, fathers or spouses, but public shaming in neighborhoods, the salem witch trials and even incarceration for 'hysteria', a catch all that any kind of powerful men could use to call women crazy and have them put in a psyche ward etc. Women have always had the shorter end of the stick. I always hate the arguments about physical fitness in geneology. As a man, I prefer to think it's because women first had the thought to maybe treat others with respect, and man proceeded to ignore her for 8000 years, because we are so unbelievably dense.
Makes me wonder.. are these sickos missing some brain cells? I don’t think brain cells are holding hands up there. We (women) are about to take our opportunity to turn this sh** around.
How are there 40k dislikes? That's pretty scary
a 3rd of the like bar is dislikes... How _dare_ women complain about harassment?! Anita is kinda bad (EDIT: Oh wait, she talks negative about gaming so she's literally Hitler), so how dare other women complain about revenge porn?
EDIT: Oh, and the other one: How DARE John talk about an issue that affects women while not saying it affects men as well? Since he didn't mention men, he obviously must mean that this doesn't affect men. He hates us! If you play this this video backwards it says:
Down with Nice Guys™! Hashtag KillAllMen!
oO PPH Oo Why can't we talk about harassment for both sexes? Why does it always have to be one or none? If anybody brings up that men are threatened online too, everybody screams "HOW DARE YOU MINIMALIZE CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN?!" It's so ironic...By saying that, they are infact minimalizing crimes against men. I thought feminism was for everybody, not just women? Guess not.
Beebs Muhgoo manbaby
I think that a lot of them were about Anita
kevin mcneeley
Typical feminist shaming tactic. I thought feminists wanted men to be more upfront with their emotions? Yet, when men do, they usually turn around and immaculate them like you just did. Feminism is just a cluster fuck of contradictions...
***** www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/
I've received death threats as well, but never thought any were credible, however graphic.
As for your question regarding relation to feminism, we're told time and time again that feminism is simply equality of the genders. Yet, whenever issues are talked about that affect both genders, men are ignored. This isn't a gendered issue. If we want equality, we need both genders represented.
Everyone crying foul in the comments should really stop and think if they're contributing to the problem or not...
(Also that updated commercial at the end was perfect.)
***** Given that the video included 2 liars, I'd say no. They are not contributing to the problem.
Especially since one of those 2 liars is that specific problem.
***** you're contributing to the problem the most whether you're aware of it or not.
thewh00ster "These people that were on for 2 minutes to provide a point of reference RUINED the other 14 minutes that was not about them" - youtube comments
vcom741 Liars aside,he has a good meaning in the end,wouldave been great if they had not been included though.
JustCozItsMe I will agree with this. No point hating on the video due to one mistake.
How did I watch this video for the 5th time and John keeps rick rolling me, this man is a legend...
0:13
you fool
you fell victim to one of the classic blunders
Its inconceivable...
*Starts the video:* Oh boy a new LastWeekTonight show!
*Talks about women being harassed online:* i see your point but EVERYONE gets harassed by trolls on the internet, EVERYONE, the only difference is that their favorite trolling weapon for women is sexism while for men is screwing with their fandoms, political views and beliefs, or simply being annoying.
But i'll keep myself open minded.
*Shows Anita:* OK, i see where this is going...
I'm not against feminists, atleast those who truly want equality even if, personally, i think they should call them self equalists since they want equality in both sexes and all races.
Feminism will always sound sexist to me, it sounds like the female version of Machismo.
Now, Anita is a perfect example why feminism are seen as a joke;
She's a proven hypocrite, a proven liar and not equalist at all. A fake, plain and simple.
For the first time, Last Week Tonight has disappointed me, i thought they did some research before showing anything or anyone in the program, there's plenty of proofs that Anita can't be taken seriously, she contradicts herself all the time...
You did it, John Oliver, now i won't be able to see your future episodes without scepticism, being comic but truthful was what made the program for me...
Good job ruining the program to a (by the amount of dislikes) considerable portion for your viewers.
Ruben Fernandes Literally that is me. I am pretty sure the skepticism will kill what I loved about the show for at least the time being.
Ruben Fernandes "the female version of Machismo" You're talking about "Hembrismo", right?
Ruben Fernandes Thank you sir !
so... perpetuating the wage gap myth wasn't ringing any alarm-bells for you?
Revisit that piece and look for the criticism there... you should have been a bit more vigilant for some time now!
Most of their segments are still great, but they do have their obvious agenda, that becomes obvious every now and then, esp. in favor of feminist BS...
PyrrhoVonHyperborea Most of the times the wage gap is counting the overall income, including the income of housewifes...
Also women usually take less paying jobs more often than men.
For example unqualified men vs unqualified women:
Those women will usually find work in restaurants, shops, as maids, as hairdressers, etc, jobs that don't pay that much while a considerable portion of unqualified men are working on physically intensive but well paying jobs like construction, mechanics, working with trash, etc.
Of course men will make more than women overall in those cases, its based on the kind of jobs they usually do.
Now if you look at qualified men and women instead, the gap is almost non existent since white collar jobs are done by both sexes.
People should stop looking at the overall income but instead compare the wage gap, job by job.:
Are female police officers, chefs, directors, etc., making less than their male counterparts?
Also dont forget men are better and more aggressive at negotiating their wages and asking for raises.
Really, if you could pay women less than men for the same job, why would anyone hire men?
Not a fan of Anita and Brianna but John mentioning them doesn't ruin his point at all. Can't believe people are being so fucking salty in the comment section. Online harassment is a serious issue that can affect us all - be it men or women.
SheWhale this is why people are salty i guess...John made it ALL about women.
No, it kind of ruins his argument.
In the beginning, they didn't 're eovenany more harassment than anyone else.
But instead of laying low, or simply realizing that it was a small but vocal group of trolls. They decided to let it define them, which fed the trolls and brought in more assholes.
They are a Grade A example of how the victim can absolutely be responsible for making their situation worse.
Artorias Abysswalker Exactly. It is all the more aggravating because the main recipients of online harassment are... men!
SheWhale Its about 1am by the time this video is up on the west cost, wait until the afternoon and I am sure more level headed people will jump in.
SheWhale It does affect every one, if not on the internet, bullies on school will fill that gap. You cannot stop harassment much like bulling. so talking about it is just futile. It's a case of learning to live with people that are assholes. Which is kind of what you have to do even when you're not on the internet.
They tried to enact the intimate privacy protection act twice and both times it died in congress and it still needs to be enacted. Hopefully successfully if it gets reintroduced during the next congress.
Poor Americans
it was an honor to be rick rolled not once but twice by Mr. Oliver haha
It's disturbing how so many people are more concerned about the Anita woman than with the actual issue in this video.
To be fair, Anita is an asshole. She doesn't deserve bomb threats, but nonetheless people hate her for a damned good reason.
I'd like to view it as a: "I agree with you BUT, fuck this bitch".
Thanks for proving my point mate
Sam Ottenbreit that was long. Okay so you just basically explained common knowledge to me, so thanks for stating the obvious. But the thing is Anita wasn't the only woman mentioned here was she? Yet so many people, including you Monseiur, are kinda preoccupied with her. Which is what I'm trying to say. She was in this video for what? 5 minutes? But instead of acknowledging the real problem "haters" just kinda decided to focus on her.
You can explain the hows and whys but none of that will make it right. I know that you mentioned that too (in brackets, if I may add) but basically your comment is redundant.
Sandy Hardstone
I was going to leave it alone but...
Haters focused on her because the subject itself (Online Harassment) is common knowledge to them. Most people who hate Anita are feminists or people who feel slighted by the way she takes advantage of real problems that women have to make a profit.
Anita is amongst the people who are subjected to it yes, but other people included in John Oliver's segment are for the most part innocents who suffered unjustly. Anita isn't quite an unjustly hated individual, of course people are going to think: "Why is she being being lumped in with these innocents?" It's the feeling of injustice that causes people to have a kneejerk reaction, they GET the point, but they don't believe that Anita IS as good of a point as others.
aaannndd that'll be it for anything I have to add to this discussion.
Wafflerofl okay I do see your point and you do make sense. And I have no objection against those who feel "she shouldn't be here with the innocent women". I do however have a problem with those who are just here to bash Anita, most of the people doing that aren't even saying what you're saying. They're just hating on a woman (who, I understand, doesn't belong here) who was featured for perhaps a few minutes in this segment.
But you do make a point.
This is what happens when close minded bigots watch this show. You have an detailed explanation of what women in general face from the trolls and extremist men. But all they take from it is some anita sarkeesian.
Los Blancos Well, it's a good way for the monitors of the YT channel to know which of their subscribers are pieces of shit.
They should have done some research before they used a known liar as an example.
Los Blancos you're so tolerant.
Yeah, because harassment on the Internet only affects women right?
Also, the problem is she actually encourages harassment. She had repeatedly caused her followers to harass everyone who dares speak against her. She's not a victim, she's part of the problem.
It's sad man, I did not care about the gamer girls. What they are doing is on their own volition. They are aware of the consequences. All I cared was how can we help that woman and others like her who had her personal pictures posted on the inter-webs. She did nothing wrong and still had her life ruined.
I watched this years ago... and I forgot about the Rick-roll. You got me again, John!
"...almost every job requires the internet now."
Pandemic 2020 lurks around the corner.
Anita Sarkesean, really john oliver, really. bye bye. not watching this
hasan farhat Congrats, his point went right over your head. As stupid as Anita is, you may in fact be more stupid.
i ve heard this name enough times for 2015, i am done.
***** She made fake accounts to post death threats to herself.
***** i didn't send her death threats i swear, on a serious note however, i just decided to note watch the report the moment i saw her in that video. we had our fill of her STORY, enough is enough. STOP MAKING STUPID PEOPLE FAMOUS.
I watch this show because john can deliver a very serious message in a very refreshing way, remember classic episodes like the bail episode, property forfiting (or whatever it was called), then he decided to drop down to things like fifa and anita whateverian. why?
hasan farhat goodbye butthurt
I don't have time watch this 20 min video, I gotta meet with some of my kayaking buddies.
This is 17 minutes
With AOL you can always tape it and watch it later...
Can I join the "club" I love "kayaking" with my buddies if ya know what I mean ;)
1:39
I'm still resisting the urge to look up what homosexual acts are involved in "Kayaking" 3 years later.
John Olliver being a puffin is both true and a compliment.
That copyright problem is likely on of the reasons why in Germany there's in general the right to pictures of yourself as its own thing
I think I'm gonna make a "Just in case a total piece of shit tries to ruin my life" box now.
Just make sure "that piece of shit" don't steal that box
Or you could just not send him nudes.
AMEN
@@EndlessSummer888 Did you (and the five people that liked your comment) just not watch the second half of the video? I invite you to re-watch this and make your logic make sense.
@@jiggypoof6411 though your replying to a 3 year old comment I’m not sure how likely it is that he has seen it
It's shocking how often women get screwed over by nude pics compared to men.
Also, newsflash for those who are denigrating the women in this video: whenever you find yourself defending the guy who is threatening rape and murder and publicly posting the woman's address, you seriously need to reevaluate your life.
+Andrew Wang
I don't think people are defending rape and murder threats, I think people are pointing out this isnt a women's issue and that framing it that way is retarded and just propagates feminist nonsense.
Jasper Banks Given the overwhelming amount of evidence towards one gender over another, I think it's safe to call it a women's issue. There's probably a couple of guys out there that have been shamed for dick pics but the level and quantity of shame is not nearly the same as what women have to deal with.
+Andrew Wang
Im sorry but you're just wrong.
www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/pi_2014-10-22__online-harassment-03/
Could you please provide the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates this is a women's issue.
Jasper Banks Did you...did you actually read your source? The study itself points to the fact that women get sexually harassed almost twice as often as men do on the internet. Disseminating nude pictures without permission and threatening sexual violence is the very definition of sexual harassment.
Jasper Banks Men send nude photos (or more commonly dick pics) to their significant others all the time, but they rarely--if ever--get terrorized for it following a break-up. It's a free country and people should be able to do what they want without being publicly shamed for it.
Your first paragraph would require a response several paragraphs long so I can't be bothered to address it. All I have to say is try to look at it from a woman's perspective for a bit, and look up what gamergate is. Even if we discount threatening sexual violence as somehow just violence and not sexual harassment in any way, then the study still shows women being sexually harassed almost twice as much as men on the internet. If that doesn't scream "gender issue" to you then nothing will.
@12:39 Nope. Rick-roll me once, shame on me. Promise me a moving speech by Congress? i prep for Rick Astley! 😂😂
Bruh I get told to kms on every conceivable platform including irl conversion and I'm just told to man up if I complain or I just have to laugh it off. Bruh
Username checks out
Lmao funny Haha joke my guy but that isnt my actual name in games but idk maybe my actual one is worse idk. Its txc.pepe.NaCl
What, are you saying your pain is far greater than theirs?
I get told that in video games but at least it is a joke if they actually want you to do that that is incredibly sad.
@@sighduck9789
Y e s. You are c o r r e c t
The first time I've had to downvote a John Oliver video. Truly sad to see him fall into the same pit as Colbert.
The Addiction 2 colbert>jon oliver
Mmmmm can taste that salt from here.
Deadboy90 I don't think that's the case. I think John Oliver's been had. Everyone gets shit online if they express a controversial point of view but somehow it's only harassment when women are the target. Anita is a professional victim, she gets treated the exact same way Jack Thompson was in the 90s for saying similar stuff yet no-one thought Thompson was harassed. People troll Anita not because she's a woman but because of the crazy "video games make people sexist" shit she says. The same happened to Thompson when he said "video games make people violent". I don't think you realise this is what equality looks like. Should people get harassed? No. Is harassment a problem? Yes. Is it about men oppressing women? No it's not.
The Addiction 2 Get used to it, he and his peers as a narrative to present.
Your always gonna get bitter salty taste when Anita comes around, and it's for good fucking reason.
In the comments: proof that the video's claims are true. Good job RUclips comments, we did it!
poyokirby Exactly.
poyokirby so where are all the threats?
No, it actually proves Anita and Wu are horrible and pathetic examples to be discussing,which is what everyone is saying if you actually read them I'm of the mindset that there are many forms of harrasment that must be stopped, such as revenge porn, but the things Anita and Wu actually suffer from are quite frankly laughable. They tell lies, contradict their statements, and pretend like they're really suffering.
poyokirby What the fuck kind of logic is this? RUclips comments = credible threats now? Holy shit. The social justice department is rampant.
***** I've seen some videos of her. I disagreed with her opinion, but I don't harass her about it, I just don't watch her videos
This show is a much needed life line. I cried angry tears hearing the same horrible things that have been said to me as well and to virtually every woman I know. But I laughed because it made me feel so much less alone in a world where the justice system seems to believe that a paint chips based diet makes its brain go smarty.
Did you know that the government agencies trade the pictures back and forth, comparing which are better or worse.
The I Doesn’t surprise me.
This is so bad, that its enough to completely alienate your entire audience. Damn, its so misinformed and stupidly trying to take one side.
Atwa do you believe there is sexism on the internet or that its all fine?
Atwa It was pretty balanced. It didn't really take any sides on what Sarkesian actually said.
Trying to take one side? You mean the "anger, hate and sexism are bad, no matter what"-side? Are you saying this might not be the right side to be on? Sure, maybe you personally don't like this woman. Maybe you even hate her. But never ever in no way are death threads justified.
***** buy a brain. Yours is defective.
Atwa The story makes a valid point in that revenge porn is a real problem. The fact that Anita Sarkeesian appeared in this story is just a by product of people actually believing that she's a victim and being too scared of being called "sexist" to actually do any research into her. If you want, write Jon Oliver himself and let him know the truth about Sarkeesian.
I live in Massachusetts, one of the states without laws against revenge porn.
Last month I emailed my state representative about my concerns regarding it. He responded that he thought we'd already enacted such laws, and that he was equally concerned.
He's now planning on co-sponsoring an anti-revenge porn bill that his colleague will be proposing.
ClareBearPhD sure
I thank you for doing that but also I wanted you to know that your name made me think of a carebear that was down to earth and had an actual job which allowed it to fit into our human society and that made me very happy. Thank you very much for that
Softy Revenge porn when you secretly or consentingly film someone you're having sex with, then later post the content without the partner(s) consent as a form of revenge for being dumped, cheated on, lied to, burn eggs, what ever else.
NICE JOB
now this is why we talk to our reps
Moral of the story: never make fun of John Oliver’s spider hands.
12:23 you got me funny British, you got me.
Pretty much everything said in this entire segment is factually wrong. Congratulations on falling into the SJW trap. Perhaps next week we can go back to facts, yes?
EzekielRageTV Now that's not fair, they got the names right. In all seriousness though, this is just an example of a real issue happening to a terrible person. Online harassment is real, and its a shame that people like Anita disrespect that fact by making up cases.
BizarroPhoenix I feel it's unfortunately a lot like women making false rape accusations. People like Anita make real internet harassment cases ignored or dismissed by the internet because people are too busy being pissed at the ones that falsify their situations.
I'm surprised it took me this long to find someone saying "SJW"
***** Gee, I notice those are both men who seem to have it in for old AS. Did you ever question the honesty of their claims of harassment as thoroughly as you would for Sarkeesian or whoever or did they just "ACTUALLY" have to deal with harassment because they're on your side?
***** Yeah, it's disappointing. But, I can kind of understand why. They did actually receive harassment, they just were also liars and jerks.
Anita Sarkesean makes her living on victimizing herself. Its a little disrespectful to the massive amount of women who have been genuinely harassed without any monetary incentive or popular exposure to have her follow a woman whos had her life destroyed by revenge porn.
I say this as a feminist, as someone whos been on work trips to Africa to build girls schools, who understands that the empowerment of women and their equal treatment and protection under the law is vital to further progress within our ever more global society; Anita and other sensationalist acts of the same shade are bad for the movement. They take energy and frustration that HAS to act as a catalyst if we want to fix this sort of thing, and redirects into banal self righteous squabbling with schoolboys on reddit.
***** We don't need your 'girls school' we will build them ourselves.
It bugs me that even a feminist would say something like this. Anita does not "self-victimize"...
There is an active FBI investigation and she runs a non-profit...
arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/feminist-frequency-to-pivot-toward-combating-gendered-online-harassment/
femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter
***** 100% there with you.
I despise her Borg collective view of feminism. I was seriously disgusted with her Australian panel where she said women need to fore go their personal choices and individual gains in order to help feminism as a collective.
ruclips.net/video/uOmIIAact4s/видео.htmlm57s
God some people never learn
***** Africa is not yours
“You should get better boyfriends.”
If that’s not a lame excuse and a form of victim blaming, I don’t know what is. Immature boyfriends are mysterious. When women first meet them, they act like the “love of her life” and then turn around as a back stabber when they cannot deal with the reality of a relationship. How was the victim supposed to predict he would do such a thing?! It’s not ok! It never was and it never will be ok! Ruining someone’s life is the ultimate callous narcissism. People who do that should be punished at the highest proportional extent of law.
Ruining someones can also be a form of justice.
And yes people do have responsibility for their life and who they use their time on.
Victim blaming is a such a curling generation phenomenon. If it's about to rain and you don't go inside then yes you're at fault for getting wet. How about stop blaming the weather?
Narcissism is sending pictures of yourself without clothes to others because you needed your narcissist/gratification fix.
Also why so ashamed of your own body? It's yours and it's natural. No need to ever feel embaressed about that.
Ohh no people saw me without clothes what's next they catch me drinking water from a bottle? 🙉🙈
I love that Rick Rolling just gets a standing ovation now...
I'm not sure why people are talking about this as a "womens" problem. Men can be target by all these things too. It's possible that women are targeted more often, but this is a people problem, not a womens problem.
Cule Chick It depends of what circles in many cases men are targeted more, and even in those studies it never looked into whether or not the people doing the harassing actually knew the gender of the person they were harassing.
Hear hear!
Cule Chick No. Women who use male avatars notice a very pronounced and immediate drop in rape and death threats when talking on subjects of basic fairness and equality. So yeah, the problem tends to have rather marked sexist overtones.
David Olsen Really because men who use female avatars notice a drop in all kinds of threats and violent comments as well, often citing people as more helpful and forgiving.
People are also much faster to defend you with a female avatar since they assume you are female(or at least suspect it.)
David Olsen Citation needed.
When I had a crazy stalker (who had been previously convicted of attempted double homicide), the first cop told me to "stop doing stuff on the internet." It wasn't until I got a female cop that I was taken seriously. She even had to go back and force the first one to fill out the proper paperwork.
Phillip Rhoades and people claim sexism doesn’t exist in any form.
Why the criminal justice system sucks.
If they were convicted for double homicide then why tf were they out of jail? 🤔
** attempted double homicide **
Attempted double homicide. It's like a 10 year sentence in Florida.
I've had an online stalker for about 10 months now, he creates fake accounts impersonating me and posts CP💀, threatens to dox and swat me and my family. Crazy world
the thing that disturbs me is that this has one of the highest dislike ratios ive ever seen on a john oliver video
Looking through the comments to find out why... the only similar i saw was the episode about uganda's bigotry
"I don't know why, but I always picture John Oliver as a puffin."
He said of the man who, very soon, will be providing the voice of a horn bill.
One step closer to a porg.
I used to think of him as a tapir until that comment.
Watch out John, you mentioned something related to Gamer Gate, you will get instant dislikes. Way too many butt hurt boys who are convinced they are the victims.
Illier1 Haha, it is funny you say "butt hurt boys" which is basically the same thing the other side is saying about females. Nah, both sides can't possibly be right about online harassment... silly hypocrite.
Jedah Astra They are both wrong, simple as that. The fact that each side considers themselves the good side and the other side the bad one makes them all very childish. As if the world was black and white.
poyokirbyWell, I meant both sides are right that harassment does happen to their side. People are definitely more comfortable threatening violence on men than women though.
Illier1 I'm not a victim of anything accept for the murder of my brain cells by Anita.
Illier1 You now that it was not mentioned that GG thing only known in USA , in the video it never states that "gamers" harass them , they just used a video of women on tv sharing abuse stories because they don`t have the right to use a youtube video or havent made an interview.
Does anyone want to go kayaking with me?
@@rgderen88 I LOLed so hard just now.
I dunno... aren't you bad bad Leroy Brown, "Baddest man in the whole damn town??"
I Will kayaking all over your chest
as long as your discreet
Nah I’m going kayaking with my family. Maybe another time.
its so cute when people decide to enforce john's point by being clowns in the comments
yup! take a non-leftist stance and you're a "clown". holy shit you lot are irritating...
Barath Vedant I’m sorry that being wrong makes you a clown. Would you feel better if we gave you a brighter nose?
Kafkatrapping.
Barath Vedant No one even mentioned a left or right stance? The point was don’t make women fear for their lives, what’s that got to do with politics?
not as cute as watching someone worship d-list celebrities over issues too complicated for you to comprehend.
I'm a female and I've been fortunate enough to only be told to get my ass back in the kitchen. As I love my kitchen... that wasn't so bad in the scheme of things.
But, right now, I'm part of a local chat group that has a person threatening other members. Going to their house. Describing their fence and security system. Snidely saying that they know what car the woman drives and what her husband drives and that 'we know when he's not home to protect you'...
IT'S A FREAKING WOMAN DOING THE THREATS. She's not shy about her identity. She's flat-out saying that she's going to murder this woman, but she'll try to shield her children from the carnage when she does it. (Yes. The cops have been called)
One of the worst cases of online bullying that I was ever witness to was a group of three teenage females trying to drive another girl into suicide.
Online harassment is a major problem, but women are just as guilty and men are just as likely to be victims.
Human beings SUCK. And, if given the opportunity, we'll suck even harder.
Bullying isn't a female problem. It's a human problem.
Now I'm going to relieve some of this stress by putting an egg in my baby-maker and punching it. (I'll bet money that there's a fetish video out there showing this exact same thing... *sigh*)
Pepper Conchobhar When someone online reveals your name, address, phone number, place of work, etc. that should no longer be viewed as online bullying. That is a serious and real threat. As for someone putting unwanted photos or videos of you online? Don't stand out on your sidewalk with a basket of stones handing them out to just anybody and then complain when your windows get smashed out.
vizski I am gonna make sure my friends see it and they spread the word.
*****
Aw! My first rape/death threat! How sweet!! :D
*****
**oh stop it, you!** ((blush))
vizski THIS
I've dealt with something similar. An ex of mine did her best to screw me over with several blog postings to disdain my name and image just because I wanted to break up with her. I couldn't do anything. I have no money for a legal case. It's utter bullshit.
Sarge Rho exactly
Sarge Rho Its trolls harassing people.
Samuel J. Bass Yeah but you're a man, and judging from your pic you're also white, so shut the fuck up.
dannad74
Wow. Give this man an award, because you have just made the most utterly stupid comment I have ever witnessed on youtube.
CrazyRandomChick lel, ever heard of satire?
A kid in my school was in the bathroom and a kid put his phone over the stall door and took a picture, he than sent it to all his friends and it quickly circulated around the whole school, I'm in 8th grade!!!!
where is your school, my young friend? I volunteer to go there and beat the s*** out of that kid.
The fact that it's Tom Hanks' son at the end makes it even better 😂
I didn’t notice that until just now; so funny 😂😅
"Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Online Harassment of Women"
There we go. I fixed your title for you John.
It Ain't Over Yeti Women are the only creatures that matter. -SJWs everywhere.
If you use the term SJW you are probably part of the problem.
Aydren1 My guess is it's a way to distinguish radicals. You wouldn't assume all Christians are the same as those from the Westboro Baptist Church would you?
Aydren1 No, we're not. These people are SJWs. They're the problem. We're not the problem. Stop placing the blame on the people who are truly being treated badly and start holding these SJWs accountable for their actions.
Aydren1 SJW detected
I'm sorry John, but you and your team blew it with the first part of this segment.
Anita is a liar and a con artist, and a little bit of digging around would've shown you why so many people hate her so much.
And it's NOT because she's a woman or a feminist.
boxbreaker2011 Worse, Brianne Wu worked with the writing team on the segment...
Also plenty of white men get harassed like boogie who has received overwhelming amounts of threats and insults because of his weight, Total biscuit for being a public figure was threatened by someone who claimed they knew his home address and were going to find him and Milo Yiannopoulos, for being in political opposition to a group of people had a dead animal sent to him.
boxbreaker2011 so its good this video IS NOT ABOUT HER OR HER CAUSE OR FEMINISM, right?
boxbreaker2011 Oh, it's definitely because she is a feminist. She's a feminist trying to insert "feminism" into video games, fighting the "patriarchy" of gender stereotypes. The fact that she is not much of a gamer just adds to the insult.
PuntedKitten
yeah but this video is about revenge porn, not videogames feminism.
every time I binge John Oliver I forget why this one is so disliked then get hit by a sledgehammer when Sarkeesian's con artist mug popping up. It makes sense though, since in 2015 she was still a figurehead, but time made very clear while she received genuine harassment she also invited it by making uninformed arguments and labeled all criticism as sexism, and in doing so irreparably harmed efforts make the video game industry genuinely more progressive.
This is so horrible and insane. The main solution is copyright and the copyright is just as bizarre. Men who do this, anyone who does revenge p*rn need to be held accountable and arrested and sued. How do people get away with this, keep their jobs, get to be around other women and even children after doing something like this?
I changed my "Like" to "Dislike" as soon as i saw Anita,
Do some research John Oliver.
BacktoRitual Five minutes of research would show she's a piece of shit lol
BacktoRitual To be honest, and a devil's advocate, researching an example feels like too much work. Other examples seem credible, if just one was under-researched, I don't think that's too bad.
BacktoRitual Or here's an idea, I know it's gonna sound completely crazy.
Watch the video before you decide whether you like it or not?
lamosos lol
lamosos John Oliver's videos seemed to be so great, expect for this one, i like it at the start to not forget to like it when the video ends, but yeah, ill do it more often
I SWEAR, JOHN OLIVER, I AM GOING TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND I'M GONNA SHOW UP ARMED WITH love and give you a big hug for being so awesome and funny. And come to think of it, it'd be rude to just show up at your home, so I will wait until such time as I happen to see you on the street and, in passing, I'll say, "Hey John, big fan" and I'll keep walking.
***** nice
***** This gave me hope.
***** You're a fucking psycho... Seriously, that's the creepiest thing I've ever read on RUclips...freak.
And it's gone now
Tenebrae Um, did you even _read_ the comment? The _whole_ thing? He said he thinks John Oliver is awesome, and you call him a psycho for saying so. Clearly, *you're* the psycho. Either that or you have absolutely pathetic reading comprehension skills.
The Golden Girls comment was unexpected and hilarious
That random Mystikal - Danger snippet was perfectly placed.
😂😂😂