Back when my brothers were heavily into Fantasy and 40k, our mum liked doing craft and used terrain making as a way to be involved in their lives. That was a particularly good time for us and the local Wargame community as we shared our stuff (her river segments in particular were great).
Terrain is also something you'll need to occasionally consider when choosing an army. When I started playing Warhammer Fantasy in the 90's I fell in love with the fluff and visuals of the Wood Elves; later I realized I was the only one in our group that had to lug around a box of terrain (trees), in addition to my army because so many of their special rules relied on having forests. It was so important to their strategies that I couldn't just hope that the place we were going would have forest terrain. 40K Kroot and Catachans used to have similar issues as well.
I'm pretty new to Warhammer, decided it was a good time to get into it with 8th edition and all, and honestly watching videos of people making terrain is what got me into the hobby in the first place.
I think I enjoy the terrain aspect of the hobby as much - if not more - than the army building. Your location is always important - what is the significance of this place? Why are the armies fighting over it? As someone who really gets into the narrative aspect, a good battlefield goes a long way into turning a game into a battle, and something you think of in more than just terms of winning and losing a game. Also, anyone remember the old (very old) Necromunda card scenery with the plastic bulkheads? They were a real game changer in the 90's.
My one tip for terrain, pet stores. Gold fish tank accessories with a little touch up with dry brushing or flocking can be cheap and amazing. Also, a company called Angry Mojo Games does some cool MDF laser cut stuff as well that's good and pretty cheap.
Just a quick connect with your previous video - terrain available at your FLGS (Friendly Local Gaming Store); also, you could check out other hobbies that use terrain e.g. scale trains, car racing, etc.
I recently made some cement road blocks with broken rebar sticking out, out of some left over plastic frames from my spiritseer and used some of them on the base and the rest I scatter on my battlefield. Making terrain and base additions gives me more to work on when telling a story with my miniatures and I hope to make some more in the future.
You're forgetting about the planet known as TheDormRoom. This planet is known to have houses that look like books, and trees that look like pop cans. Also, trees that look like beer cans, too. Hazardous terrain is said to resemble pretzels, as well.
as a Bolt Action player i feel that terrain hits home harder in this setting then in any other as you really do need to take time out and work on your board ( granted not great deal of time but time nun the less ) and dress it up a bit.
Great video! Subscribed because I couldn't agree more on how much quality terrain adds to your games. Also, you're the only person I know that gets this excited about a well crafted bocage, and for that Sir, you have my respect.
The problem is that some games have it difficult to have terrain. I am playing Airwar C21 lately and I have ideas for terrain and stuff but the problem is that in airwar you need very specific positions of minis so its hard to make usable terrain (even more when its a game about planes and you have to make forced perspective terrain to adapt to the look of the minis and the terrain scale). But I really do love making terrain, you can do anything with stupid stuff that's laying around I made a lot of terrain for Battletech and FoF.
Oh man I'm happy I've found this video. The sites I've visited were somehow significantly more expensive then the one you linked. My Chaos world tabletop wil be a reality!
There's a place in the UK called "Wargames tournaments" that sell MDF laser cut structures and they are the most incredible designs for a "cities of death" type board. They do a huge set for £250 that can easly cover every square inch of a 6x4' table, or if you used it like 40k terrain it would do for 2 or 3 tables. I picked that and a few other things from them a while back. Most of their other stuff is a lot less expensive but there was a freaking tonne of stuff in the box.
This is my first real foray into these sort of videos and I've more recently looked into getting into the Miniatures Games; more specifically Warhammer 40k. But, anyway, I actually got a bit sad when the sound died, haha, even IF you were done. It was really interesting.
You know what my pipe dream is? A dwarven castle -- an outer wall surrounding a courtyard, and then an inner keep, within which my army would stand siege against another, much larger but worse-organized horde until reinforcements arrived. And of course I would build the whole thing myself (despite having no artistic skills).
+Chris Wuebbolt Start small: build a ruined keep (it's harder to mess up things that are ruined) and then try a 'less' ruined keep and build up from there. Thanks for watching!
In the beginning there was NO terrain whatsoever that you could buy; now you can even buy a PORTABLE BATTLE-TABLE in 6 or 8 square pieces from GAMES-WORKSHOP which is great if you got the room and don't wanna start making your own large battle-table, wich IS (no kidding) a very time-consuming undertaking... The advantage of the GW-table pieces is that it has four pieces with elevated terrain that if you put these together, you have a flat hill in the middle of your table, but you can also put two of them on each edge of your table so that the edges are elevated and in the middle is a lot of room to "rumble"... The only thing you have to do is to prime and spray-paint it, even do a finishing touch with some dry-brushing and you"re all set! The table is of course very useful to put trees, bushes or ruins, walls, flat rivers and buildings on it... I am not sure if another brand has this sort of table, but it sure saves you a lot of time
I like to personalize my miniatures from time to time (as you can see here: ruclips.net/video/WKE5a3WJXL8/видео.html ), but I generally don't look at tabletop wargaming as a roleplaying outlet. If I was into that, I'd probably play some Shadowrun or maybe the new D&D. Thanks for watching!
Where did you get that Wh40k building set? I've seen the huge expensive version of it but not as a smaller kit. I don't even know what it's called, it looks like Cities of Death but with bigger wall panels.
Hey there! I'm really hoping to get into some wargaming, and I was wondering what a good wargame for beginners is? Moreso, what's not too expensive, and yet has a fairly lively community? I love WH40K, but it seems a bit overbudget just for entry.
Try kill team, it's basically WH40K for cheap? You get two squads, and you can sell one to offset big part of the cost, depending on which race you like more...
I'm a newbie to wargaming myself, and I've been enjoying Kings of War quite a bit myself. I would recommend it more from a newbie-friendly streamlined rules perspective than a price perspective; though I'd estimate it's still cheaper than WH40K, it is a mass combat game and still expects a rather large army of miniatures to play. (However, you'd want to check whether Kings of War is active at your LGS before checking it out. My LGS focuses quite a bit on Mantic's games so it works out for me.)
+Kharmazov I've never heard of them. I just did a Google search and now I see them, they look like they're aimed at railroaders. Are they the right scale for 28mm? Thanks for watching!
+tabletopminions They are in the so called "O" scale and from what I have seen people use them for 28 and 25mm wargames. Here is a good example combatzonechronicles.net/cozox/kirk.htm
I find they work for 15mm - they'll probably be way too small for your 28mm - but to get round this issue, I carry a small figure and a vehicle with me (inside a small box, a jewelry ring box would work). You can take the figure out and compare it to see if it'd work.
the FOW ready made stuff looks so sick but i dont have the $ to do it, so i have to spend hours on end making houses, but i wish i could buy the dang houses! You wouldn't believe how long it takes to do even a crappy job on them, otherwise I enjoy making terrain
Am I the only one that likes using paper printed terrains? If you use the thicker printer paper there sturdy enough for you to put some minis on there and it's not too hard carrying them.
I've done the old take a pile of books of the shelf and a few cut out shapes of newspaper as area terrain. your rigt it's not as inspiring. Don't care for gw terrain though. currently doing the lots of woods and rocky outcrops. trees cost a few pounds for 10-20 for model train stuff. and a bit of polystyrene for small mounds/rocky outcrops working on a long barrow next whole table worth of terrain less than £20.
Another really nice thing to consider is digging into your bits box to spruce up your terrain. Years ago when my brother and I were just starting to scratch build our own terrain, we just got a bunch of foam display board stuff at a local hobby store (the kind of stuff you'd use for a school display project), sprayed it to look like granite, based it on another board, and covered it with extra bits and bobs from my bits box. We were playing 40k, so I had a ton of misc stuff leftover from all my imperial guard tank/squad sprues, so we had a lot of leftover stuff like ammo boxes, fuel tanks, oil drums, etc, which we combined with some sandbags we made out of green stuff, and thing set of "razorwire" terrain that we stretched out and added to the buildings. All in all, it was like $15 for the board + some hobby sand to base it, $10 for the razorwire, and then the rest of the stuff we had on hand as leftovers, and we got like 3 smaller ruined buildings, and one larger 3-story ruined corner building. They might not look as nice as professional terrain, but we got it for less than 1/2 the cost, and it only took a day or so to put it all together from scratch.
My very first game, back in 4th ed 40k, was played on my bed (big one, 2,2*2 meters) with cushions and padded sheegs covered with a big sheet. We scattered insulation pieces on the surface and other junk. We played with bottle caps fitted with paper pieces with unit markings instead of miniatures. Only I had one miniature, one I carved out of gypsum. The most memorable game of my life. We saw alien landscapes, rockets zooming, squiggoth roaring, demons teleporting, marines dying, tau suit jetpacks blazing. We saw a great battle. Nostalgia might color this memory for me, but thing is, you don't need much fancy stuff to have a blast. Good to have, but that game told me: imagination is the key. I lost something to the rules and the WYSIWYG, the constant vying of GW for supremacy over the market, but I am relearning to just enjoy the game and wonder. Imagine. No need for terrain or fancy miniatures or superb paintjobs or whatever for that. My herald of Tzeentch will screetch in my head while blasting with purple lightning, my unmoving rhino will roar its engines and blast over rubble as it was nothing, and my knight will constantly emit whirring sounds while monitoring the battlefield and releasing a hail of bullets into my enemy's terminators while they advance without fear, coldly calculating how much their power fields can take before they collapse and reach melee distance. It is always in your head. The rest is just things you enjoy putting together and painting up.
I know this might sounds like an advert for the guy but its not, I buy my 40k terrain from here facebook.com/atlantisdesignsstudio He also has a ebay page, the terrain buildings are really cool and he will build anything you want.
Back when my brothers were heavily into Fantasy and 40k, our mum liked doing craft and used terrain making as a way to be involved in their lives. That was a particularly good time for us and the local Wargame community as we shared our stuff (her river segments in particular were great).
That's a great idea. Thanks for watching!
Awesome Mom!
Terrain is also something you'll need to occasionally consider when choosing an army. When I started playing Warhammer Fantasy in the 90's I fell in love with the fluff and visuals of the Wood Elves; later I realized I was the only one in our group that had to lug around a box of terrain (trees), in addition to my army because so many of their special rules relied on having forests. It was so important to their strategies that I couldn't just hope that the place we were going would have forest terrain. 40K Kroot and Catachans used to have similar issues as well.
I'm pretty new to Warhammer, decided it was a good time to get into it with 8th edition and all, and honestly watching videos of people making terrain is what got me into the hobby in the first place.
You should look at a shop for Aquariums, many great terrains can be found there ^^ many walls and ruins
Sometimes the scale is a little weird, but sometimes there's good stuff in those shops. Thanks for watching!
That's smart
Thanks for that idea my friend.
Key word sometimes.. better off making it then buying that stuff.
ruclips.net/video/bPirvZzGFBE/видео.html
Every 'Movie' needs a set
+Doug Las A very good way to put it. Thanks for watching!
I second that, Doug Las sums it up nicely.
Colin MacMillan theres no words
I think I enjoy the terrain aspect of the hobby as much - if not more - than the army building. Your location is always important - what is the significance of this place? Why are the armies fighting over it? As someone who really gets into the narrative aspect, a good battlefield goes a long way into turning a game into a battle, and something you think of in more than just terms of winning and losing a game.
Also, anyone remember the old (very old) Necromunda card scenery with the plastic bulkheads? They were a real game changer in the 90's.
My one tip for terrain, pet stores. Gold fish tank accessories with a little touch up with dry brushing or flocking can be cheap and amazing. Also, a company called Angry Mojo Games does some cool MDF laser cut stuff as well that's good and pretty cheap.
+crackedjabber When getting cat food, I usually swing through the fish tank area to check out potential terrain. Thanks for watching!
Just a quick connect with your previous video - terrain available at your FLGS (Friendly Local Gaming Store); also, you could check out other hobbies that use terrain e.g. scale trains, car racing, etc.
I love your videos and advice. Your sensible, almost understated, approach is refreshing.
I really appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
I play X-wing. I got the black starfield. Mission accomplished. lol
There's also the asteroids, too. Thanks for watching!
I recently made some cement road blocks with broken rebar sticking out, out of some left over plastic frames from my spiritseer and used some of them on the base and the rest I scatter on my battlefield. Making terrain and base additions gives me more to work on when telling a story with my miniatures and I hope to make some more in the future.
I use foam hills and set pieces made of foam, a cushiony foam stuff. I love it because its super light and easy to make.
Do you happen to know who was selling those concrete rubble scatter pieces? They look amazing!
You're forgetting about the planet known as TheDormRoom. This planet is known to have houses that look like books, and trees that look like pop cans. Also, trees that look like beer cans, too. Hazardous terrain is said to resemble pretzels, as well.
I have a storage crate full of Geo-Hex terrain from the 1990s - still gorgeous.
Great video. But I have to say I imagined you went on a cursing tirade when I heard the beep. Laughed so hard.
I was wondering why there were no new content added...welcome back, we like your videos.
Really interested in that expanding foam landing pad...gotta' link?
as a Bolt Action player i feel that terrain hits home harder in this setting then in any other as you really do need to take time out and work on your board ( granted not great deal of time but time nun the less ) and dress it up a bit.
check out Mel on The Terrain Tutor on youtube, teaches you to build cheap, easy and good looking terrain.
Great video! Subscribed because I couldn't agree more on how much quality terrain adds to your games. Also, you're the only person I know that gets this excited about a well crafted bocage, and for that Sir, you have my respect.
Phil Onlinefreek They are really, seriously nice looking bocage. Thank you for your kind words, and thanks for watching!
The problem is that some games have it difficult to have terrain. I am playing Airwar C21 lately and I have ideas for terrain and stuff but the problem is that in airwar you need very specific positions of minis so its hard to make usable terrain (even more when its a game about planes and you have to make forced perspective terrain to adapt to the look of the minis and the terrain scale). But I really do love making terrain, you can do anything with stupid stuff that's laying around I made a lot of terrain for Battletech and FoF.
Oh man I'm happy I've found this video.
The sites I've visited were somehow significantly more expensive then the one you linked.
My Chaos world tabletop wil be a reality!
+Heartsickruben Nice! Glad I could help. Thanks for watching!
As a Death Guard player, I personally use the GW crater piece, filled with Nurgles rot.
There's a place in the UK called "Wargames tournaments" that sell MDF laser cut structures and they are the most incredible designs for a "cities of death" type board. They do a huge set for £250 that can easly cover every square inch of a 6x4' table, or if you used it like 40k terrain it would do for 2 or 3 tables.
I picked that and a few other things from them a while back. Most of their other stuff is a lot less expensive but there was a freaking tonne of stuff in the box.
I'll have to take a look at that. Thanks for watching!
I don't even like miniature stuff, but I like your style and the way you talk, makes it interesting. Good job keep up the good work
Love your videos and calmness about it and very straight to the point.
I'm glad that you like it. Thanks for watching!
look into some of the mega blocks buildings for quick easy terrain
+James skinner I'll do a search. Thanks for watching!
scratch building your own can also be a fun sometimes too and be a useful change of pace when your procrastinating on a model or unit
This is my first real foray into these sort of videos and I've more recently looked into getting into the Miniatures Games; more specifically Warhammer 40k. But, anyway, I actually got a bit sad when the sound died, haha, even IF you were done. It was really interesting.
+AleksandrSpiritwolf I've gotten better microphones since then, so it shouldn't be a problem any more. Thanks for watching!
Your videos are awesome, informational, and helpful.👍
all ways love your videos, found this very helpful as planning my own board at the moment.
Hey there. I just wanted to say that you have very natural comedic talent! You're funny with out even knowing it.
Terrain always brings the tabletop to life!
I'd like to have my own table but I don't have the space for one.
Love the vids, noob here but I've always wanted to have my own Tau, these vids feel in alot of the gaps
Maybe it's an idea to put a little annotation for you terrain materials video, that way viewers can easily watch that video as well.
You know what my pipe dream is? A dwarven castle -- an outer wall surrounding a courtyard, and then an inner keep, within which my army would stand siege against another, much larger but worse-organized horde until reinforcements arrived. And of course I would build the whole thing myself (despite having no artistic skills).
+Chris Wuebbolt Start small: build a ruined keep (it's harder to mess up things that are ruined) and then try a 'less' ruined keep and build up from there. Thanks for watching!
My mom is working in a foam cut company. I can go there and design some really cool stuff :)
That is one cool mom.
I love your videos and I've never even played a miniatures tabletop game.
You are a classy dude and I am really enjoying these videos. Do you have any experience/interest with Robotech RPG Tactics?
I've got some terrain by Armorcast. They're pretty inexpensive too. Some of the stuff you've got to assemble and you've got to paint it too
+Eric Chaves I have a bunch of their stuff that I really need to go through and paint. Thanks for watching!
In the beginning there was NO terrain whatsoever that you could buy; now you can even buy a PORTABLE BATTLE-TABLE in 6 or 8 square pieces from GAMES-WORKSHOP which is great if you got the room and don't wanna start making your own large battle-table, wich IS (no kidding) a very time-consuming undertaking...
The advantage of the GW-table pieces is that it has four pieces with elevated terrain that if you put these together, you have a flat hill in the middle of your table, but you can also put two of them on each edge of your table so that the edges are elevated and in the middle is a lot of room to "rumble"...
The only thing you have to do is to prime and spray-paint it, even do a finishing touch with some dry-brushing and you"re all set!
The table is of course very useful to put trees, bushes or ruins, walls, flat rivers and buildings on it...
I am not sure if another brand has this sort of table, but it sure saves you a lot of time
That board is called the 'Realm of Battle' board and I saved up and bought one almost 10 years ago. They're kind of neat. Thanks for watching!
There are a few people that make modular gaming/battle boards... though they all seem to be in Europe that I can find.
Fantastic channel - love your videos, very well done :)
I have a question: What do you think about the roleplaying aspect of wargaming? How important is it for you?
I like to personalize my miniatures from time to time (as you can see here: ruclips.net/video/WKE5a3WJXL8/видео.html ), but I generally don't look at tabletop wargaming as a roleplaying outlet. If I was into that, I'd probably play some Shadowrun or maybe the new D&D. Thanks for watching!
Great video, thanks for posting it!
Thanks for watching!
8:18 Where did you find that piece?
Wheres that landing pad from buddy?
Couldn't agree more, great vid!
Where did you get that Wh40k building set? I've seen the huge expensive version of it but not as a smaller kit. I don't even know what it's called, it looks like Cities of Death but with bigger wall panels.
It's right here. www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Shrine-of-The-Aquila
They sell all of the set in its various pieces.
Indeed. Thanks for watching!
ok, I gotta ROFL. That was the worst letter fr your audio to blurb out at lol. Totally love and agree with everything you were saying though.
Etsy is great for finding both kits and finished pieces.
Hey there! I'm really hoping to get into some wargaming, and I was wondering what a good wargame for beginners is? Moreso, what's not too expensive, and yet has a fairly lively community? I love WH40K, but it seems a bit overbudget just for entry.
Try kill team, it's basically WH40K for cheap? You get two squads, and you can sell one to offset big part of the cost, depending on which race you like more...
KuK137 Thanks! I'll give it a look. =)
I'm a newbie to wargaming myself, and I've been enjoying Kings of War quite a bit myself. I would recommend it more from a newbie-friendly streamlined rules perspective than a price perspective; though I'd estimate it's still cheaper than WH40K, it is a mass combat game and still expects a rather large army of miniatures to play. (However, you'd want to check whether Kings of War is active at your LGS before checking it out. My LGS focuses quite a bit on Mantic's games so it works out for me.)
when i play i'm gonna set up some cool shots (pictures) of like space marines vs tau and i'm gonna make like cinematic scenes and stuff like that
Awesome vid
Great video, man!!
How about the old Plasticville buildings??
+Kharmazov I've never heard of them. I just did a Google search and now I see them, they look like they're aimed at railroaders. Are they the right scale for 28mm? Thanks for watching!
+tabletopminions They are in the so called "O" scale and from what I have seen people use them for 28 and 25mm wargames. Here is a good example combatzonechronicles.net/cozox/kirk.htm
I find they work for 15mm - they'll probably be way too small for your 28mm - but to get round this issue, I carry a small figure and a vehicle with me (inside a small box, a jewelry ring box would work). You can take the figure out and compare it to see if it'd work.
I need Terrain!
Just play Infinity. You literally *need* terrain for the game itself to function, so you'll just get into good habits for having it by default :P
the FOW ready made stuff looks so sick but i dont have the $ to do it, so i have to spend hours on end making houses, but i wish i could buy the dang houses! You wouldn't believe how long it takes to do even a crappy job on them, otherwise I enjoy making terrain
+Adam Krause Its far easier to make ruined, war-torn terrain than it is to make nice, clean unsullied terrain. Thanks for watching!
Tabletop Minions np, yes agreed
Am I the only one that likes using paper printed terrains? If you use the thicker printer paper there sturdy enough for you to put some minis on there and it's not too hard carrying them.
Great video
I've done the old take a pile of books of the shelf and a few cut out shapes of newspaper as area terrain. your rigt it's not as inspiring. Don't care for gw terrain though. currently doing the lots of woods and rocky outcrops. trees cost a few pounds for 10-20 for model train stuff. and a bit of polystyrene for small mounds/rocky outcrops working on a long barrow next whole table worth of terrain less than £20.
I'm getting back into building terrain myself, as well. Thanks for watching!
Another really nice thing to consider is digging into your bits box to spruce up your terrain. Years ago when my brother and I were just starting to scratch build our own terrain, we just got a bunch of foam display board stuff at a local hobby store (the kind of stuff you'd use for a school display project), sprayed it to look like granite, based it on another board, and covered it with extra bits and bobs from my bits box.
We were playing 40k, so I had a ton of misc stuff leftover from all my imperial guard tank/squad sprues, so we had a lot of leftover stuff like ammo boxes, fuel tanks, oil drums, etc, which we combined with some sandbags we made out of green stuff, and thing set of "razorwire" terrain that we stretched out and added to the buildings.
All in all, it was like $15 for the board + some hobby sand to base it, $10 for the razorwire, and then the rest of the stuff we had on hand as leftovers, and we got like 3 smaller ruined buildings, and one larger 3-story ruined corner building. They might not look as nice as professional terrain, but we got it for less than 1/2 the cost, and it only took a day or so to put it all together from scratch.
Me and my brother 3d print our terrain
I thought you'd sworn really badly at the end of the video. :D
The audio recorder going out sucks but that was funny
My very first game, back in 4th ed 40k, was played on my bed (big one, 2,2*2 meters) with cushions and padded sheegs covered with a big sheet. We scattered insulation pieces on the surface and other junk. We played with bottle caps fitted with paper pieces with unit markings instead of miniatures. Only I had one miniature, one I carved out of gypsum.
The most memorable game of my life.
We saw alien landscapes, rockets zooming, squiggoth roaring, demons teleporting, marines dying, tau suit jetpacks blazing. We saw a great battle.
Nostalgia might color this memory for me, but thing is, you don't need much fancy stuff to have a blast. Good to have, but that game told me: imagination is the key.
I lost something to the rules and the WYSIWYG, the constant vying of GW for supremacy over the market, but I am relearning to just enjoy the game and wonder. Imagine.
No need for terrain or fancy miniatures or superb paintjobs or whatever for that.
My herald of Tzeentch will screetch in my head while blasting with purple lightning, my unmoving rhino will roar its engines and blast over rubble as it was nothing, and my knight will constantly emit whirring sounds while monitoring the battlefield and releasing a hail of bullets into my enemy's terminators while they advance without fear, coldly calculating how much their power fields can take before they collapse and reach melee distance.
It is always in your head. The rest is just things you enjoy putting together and painting up.
MDF - medium density fiberboard
How much would some scenery cost
+Wargamer 995 That depends on many different factors. Thanks for watching!
What are the features of GOOD terrain, what makes the terrain fun to play on?
Etsy has a strong number of people selling terrain now.
Go to the hobby store for trains good cheap stuff there
My reason for using lots of terrain: my asshole of a friend plays t'au
unobtanium!
Medium Density Fibreboard :)
tt combat make great imperial terrain for warhammer. its also really cheap.
Dust Tactics also has really nice cheap ass terrain
unobtainuim lol!
Haha, what a funny end...
I know this might sounds like an advert for the guy but its not, I buy my 40k terrain from here facebook.com/atlantisdesignsstudio He also has a ebay page, the terrain buildings are really cool and he will build anything you want.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: this video
+1 for eBay terrain, there's good stuff on there
+benjamin S I agree. I've bought some neat stuff from there. Thanks for watching!
you want to just go out and "........" :P