What was the biggest shock you've had hearing a new song for the first time? Do you remember hearing something that truly blew you away? Imagine being a Metal Basspleyer and hearing Peter Hook’s Bassplaying for the first time? In this video our friend Dennis Ward listens to ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’, a song he didn’t know he already knew! Dennis has an amazing course mixing Ex Ozzy Osbourne Guitarist Gus G’s band ‘Firewind’ who blend elements of traditional heavy metal and power metal. The song Dennis breaks down, “Ode To Leonidas” is from the “IMMORTALS” album and is one of FIREWIND‘s biggest hits. It’s an epic yet heavy Power Metal banger! There are 32 Lessons and 2.5 Hours of course. A fantastic course explained by one of the best Metal and Hard Rock Producers/Mixers in the business! Check it out here: www.kohleaudiokult.com/courses/the-firewind-mixing-ritual
"Feathers" by a Perfect Circle was the last track that blew me away... and performance wise as a singer it is always Dimash Kudaibergen - check out his version of SOS or Ogni Pietra.. btw they are performed live )
I didn’t hear “Bra” by Cymande until about ten years ago, so I only missed its first 40 years. Was shocked that it somehow missed me all that time. By way of “Love Will Tear Us Apart”, I can see picking apart its structure, but it would be crazy to ignore some of the most vulnerable and heartbreaking lyrics ever recorded. Hall of fame level work.
When I was a kid I heard Black Sabbath Black Sabbath blasting out of the blue van of the neighborhood burnouts and it scared shitless!!!!!! One year later I was in the van rocking to Sabbath.
This song is super important in my mind at least. Its influence on me and my musical journey would be difficult to quantify. Thank you for doing this. I enjoyed watching Dennis react to it.
Speaking of Kraftwerk. The guys from JD were into Kraftwerk. Later the guys from Kraftwerk attended a New Order gig and backstage asked them questions about Blue Monday 👌🤠
The reason Hookie plays his bass lines up the octave is due to Bernard's guitar being too loud in their early rehearsals. He couldn't hear it played low so played it high. Ian liked that it sounded different and encouraged. Hookie talk about this in the official documentary.
Have never really listened to Joy Division... Eric A from Janes Addiction always listed them as a huge influence and now I totally hear it. Hope you do more of these.
One of the first 12 inch singles I ever had, great band, genius production from Martin Hannett as well - I thought of him when watching the latest Pro Mix Academy course as he was a big fan of recording drums separately
Indeed, Hannett did a great job on all that stuff but this goon is like “oh it’s trashy” because it doesn’t sound like whatever “metal” he worked on (not even real metal, but Ozzy’s ex-guitarist 🤮).
He should have listened to the original mix. The 1995 version is very different from the original, it’s not just remastered. The guitars are much louder, the synth is far too quiet. I very much prefer the original mix from 1980.
Indeed, it's the first time he;s really listened to it, either way he got the main gist and it was great that;s he's a bass player and picked up on Hooky's importance!
Thank you. I'm used to the original mix and I I've never heard the 1995 Permanent version before. I'm now listening to this video in headphones and hearing things I've never heard before - and I know this song since 1987. Acoustic guitars, a chuggging guitar at some point (6:32), the bass sounds overdubbed (at least 2 basses), the end is completely different... Much more polished.
I think I first saw them late 1978 but seeing them in1979 they'd really improved. They'd play in Liverpool quite often & after a few shows you just knew they'd be something special.
Peter Hook (bassist) and the Light will be touring North America soon playing Joy Division and New Order. Go hear the original bassist put on a tremendous show!
This song has been widely adapted to football songs in the UK, it's been sung for many years in grounds across the leagues. Man Utd fans had a special connection with the band hailing from Salford. Back in the glory days they sang "Giggs, Giggs will tear you apart again". Great song, great band and Ian's death was a truly tragic loss.
@@Producelikeapro As do I, I do know that there are many who pay zero attention to lyrics however and wonder what the fuss is when hearing a band like Joy Division.
Right on. Great video. Is there anything popular like this right now? I don’t mean a Joy Division sound-alike - I mean something in the same spirit? I would love to get some ideas for new music to listen to that is this good.
Agreed! There is great music out there, is does taking a little time too find because it's not Top 40 music, however, the voyage of discovery is a huge part of the process!
Why not? 😁 I guess I heard this song for the first time, and I think it has that special "something". After all it's art and you can do whatever you want. 😎
You would think it would have been recorded in ‘79, but the final version was in fact recorded two months before Ian’s suicide in March 1980 during the “Closer” sessions. The earlier pennine version was recorded in January of that year
First time hearing Cygnus x1 with headphones during its debut in Toronto, blew me away, with Xanadu coming second from that album. Would love to hear Dennis' take on B52's 52 Girls
First time I heard song was on bbc tv 1978 and then I moved to Arizona hear it from the next door I want to now what is it joy division 1978 I called factory records and got 10 copies and more groups
He’d probably dismiss it as “trashy” or “synth pop.” Always baffles me how totally ignorant the “pros” are when it comes to music that isn’t mainstream garbage.
This is interesting for me because I also, had not had much exposure to Joy Division either, and it's fun to sort of be exploring it with another unacquainted person. I remember when this was a thing we did with friends in person: Going to a music store, each getting some new album, particularly if we had just only heard a snippet of one song while roaming around in, the store, and then each of us bringing our new items, back to where we were hanging out for the evening where we would just listen in full to side one and side two. We never had the TV on, but would always be doing something with our hands, like cooking, art, working, driving, laundry, helping each other out on a third job, or playing cards. It was a record or tape player/boom box. It was great getting to hear what each of us drew from the music store like cards. 😊 We would, get to hear more things we hadn't noticed before on our next times of complete play throughs again, in all kinds of scenarios, and be chatting about it, across the table or the newspaper assembly line out in the parking garage. First time I heard a Kate Bush album, was in the parking garage rolling newspapers at 3am just filling my my friend's large old sedan from the floorboards to the back windows to the ceiling header. "Hello Earth" "The Man With The Child In His Eyes" After the route was finished, covered in newsprint ink and ammonia, I had to stop off and wait for Hastings to open, to get that album, on the way home. I had to have whatever music grabbed me, in the way other people would have to have their cigarettes.
Awesome! I absolutely love Joy Division. Nothing else sounds quite like them, but at the same time everything sort of does? I think they had a monumental influence on popular music of all genres after 1980. Them and Kraftwerk. Everything after 1980 sounds like one or both of those bands to some degree, or at the very least, like someone else who was heavily influenced by them.
Imagine being 23,24yrs and you already have recorded an Ideal for Living... Unknown Pleasures... Closer... And 3 more eps including Atmosphere, Love will tear us apart. And basically creating a new genre.
@@Producelikeapro But the beauty of it was that music was inside of them,it wasn't a fashion thing. Of course Martin Hannett was the guiding light. Until then I had no idea how much a producer could influence an album or in this case a band.
I'm sure someone else already said it... but it is clear that JD are Kraftwerk fans - as New Order's "Blue Monday" has that lovely sample of Kraftwerk's "Uranium" that just takes the song to another level.
I do enjoy watching people listen to and enjoy songs that are considered "simplicity". They're right but that is the entire reason the song and the band endures like it does. Because it's just a good tune.
A lot of Hooky's basslines were played up high because when the band were starting out he had pretty crap gear... playing up high was what sounded good and could be heard playing through what he had!
much like (Dennis) the reactor, i remembered, instantly, hearing this song many many times (i think on the radio during the 80s...maybe while i was working in 'the label plant') but i could not name the tune or the artist to save my life!! to answer your question... i seem to remember hearing Hawkwind for the 1st time and being blown away by the sonic characteristics capable by only a few (very talented) guys but this was many years ago in a lifetime far far away 😉 very interesting short vid...thank you
@@Producelikeapro LOL...youre "one of us" too its hard not to appreciate them once youve been exposed i was fortunate enuff to see them over here 2ce...maybe 3 times but they are just a blur 😜
It was interesting to hear what Dennis said towards the end of the video, regarding wether these were the pioneers of the synth pop sound. It would be interesting to know if he was aware that Joy Division became New Order after Ian Curtis' death.
@@dbefore7165 I agree wholly but we were referring to Dennis ' comment concerning Joy Division. Though Gary Numan and Jon Fox are definitely both hugely influential.
It's funny to see how the American & British experience of music is very different. Bands that were huge in one territory are virtually unheard of in another.
True, however US artists listened to the UK artists, so the influence was there, even if the bands were that big in the general public the music was influential in the music it helped create!
Martin Hannett first brought the nascent digital tech into Strawberry Studios in Stockport im the late 70s. His production ideas were way ahead of their time (as were studio owners 10cc who made 'I'm Not In Love' before samplers existed). He insisted that poor Stephen Morris record each drum separately so he could give each its own digital space. At the time, 'Unknown Pleasures' sounded like nothing else - but it's techniques have become standard, so it's hard to describe how far ahead of the game it was. LWTUA is arguably JD's best song but they probably spent too much time trying to find the perfect mix, Their sound was always about he unique rhythm section with the guitar often reduced to heavily effected atmosphere (no pun intended). In this song, the guitarist Bernard is playing the string synth, so it's down to bassist Hooky to drive it along. And by god, it works beautifully. These days New Order don't have Hooky anymore, which is like McDonalds without the secret sauce.
The reality is we hear music so differently now!@@Simbosan extended low end and high end is the norm, back when this came out it had just as much low end and high end as everything else, now it sounds not as big compared too what you hear every day
At the 'bridge' and toward the end of the original song Hook drops to much lower registers if you listen intently, with a good pair of headphones. And the 'outro' you hear here is not on the original at all. I was going to see them at the Los Angeles gig(s) of their first American tour. Then I heard the news, May 1980. I knew he would kill himself, but didn't think it would be so soon.
You need to delve into madchester music which includes these then new order who they became, the smiths, the stone roses the happy Mondays, the charlatans, oasis, James etc etc
@@Producelikeapro Great minds think alike! 😊 I'll tell you who is the most underrated and influential artist of the last 50 years and hardly any one reviews his music accept cars and that's Gary numan hence my avi. How about down in the park for starters? 👽
I know the lead singer is NOT a guitar player. I know they could've handed him a guitar tuned to G major but they didn't. Instead he's holding onto that G chord like it will disappear forever if he let's go.
In response to @gina803. Bob Dylan, Lou Reed & Leonard Cohen didn't have great voices. They had character voices and wrote great songs. Lemmy wasn't a great bassist & Keith Richards isn't a shredder. Art isn't all about virtuosity.
A producer who never heard about Joy Division before that, absolutely odd at best... And doesn't matter if you're a metal producer or not, since Joy Division have influenced lots of bands in this genre. And they were NOT a synthpop band to begin with... My God...
It wasn't on either of their albums as it wasn't good enough. This track is their posthumous 'hit' pop song. But it's nowhere near as good as anything on unknown pleasures or closer
His comments on the production (“trashy” or “not that great”) come across as a total inability to grasp what’s good about older recordings. Stick to your clicky metal bass drums and other trash.
Bob Dylan, Lou Reed & Leonard Cohen didn't have great voices. They had character voices and wrote great songs. Lemmy wasn't a great bassist & Keith Richards isn't a shredder. Art isn't all about virtuosity.
@@Producelikeapro I know. The Beatles have a few one-chord and two-chord songs. Tomorrow Never Knows is one chord. Fleetwood Mac have Dreams, a two-chord song. It’s quite a long list. I doubt anyone in Joy Division/New Order could tell you what a 5th was but they made some of the best and most influential recordings ever.
FYI I have introduced this song to lot's of name guys and girls who don't know it! I know that seems strange and yes, it is, but that's the reality of working in a completely different genre!
What was the biggest shock you've had hearing a new song for the first time? Do you remember hearing something that truly blew you away? Imagine being a Metal Basspleyer and hearing Peter Hook’s Bassplaying for the first time? In this video our friend Dennis Ward listens to ‘Love Will Tear Us Apart’, a song he didn’t know he already knew!
Dennis has an amazing course mixing Ex Ozzy Osbourne Guitarist Gus G’s band ‘Firewind’ who blend elements of traditional heavy metal and power metal.
The song Dennis breaks down, “Ode To Leonidas” is from the “IMMORTALS” album and is one of FIREWIND‘s biggest hits. It’s an epic yet heavy Power Metal banger! There are 32 Lessons and 2.5 Hours of course. A fantastic course explained by one of the best Metal and Hard Rock Producers/Mixers in the business!
Check it out here:
www.kohleaudiokult.com/courses/the-firewind-mixing-ritual
"Feathers" by a Perfect Circle was the last track that blew me away... and performance wise as a singer it is always Dimash Kudaibergen - check out his version of SOS or Ogni Pietra.. btw they are performed live )
@@blackeyed. thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate it
Sat in Your Lap - Kate Bush.
I didn’t hear “Bra” by Cymande until about ten years ago, so I only missed its first 40 years. Was shocked that it somehow missed me all that time. By way of “Love Will Tear Us Apart”, I can see picking apart its structure, but it would be crazy to ignore some of the most vulnerable and heartbreaking lyrics ever recorded. Hall of fame level work.
When I was a kid I heard Black Sabbath Black Sabbath blasting out of the blue van of the neighborhood burnouts and it scared shitless!!!!!! One year later I was in the van rocking to Sabbath.
I had to raise a smile when he said it was very Hooky. Well, yes 😁
haha Me too!!
It’s almost as if he knew 😉
@@jjdubois6101 Haha which he didn't, trust me!
Haha I was about to write the same thing till I saw this; 3:47 and he didn't even realise!
Haha, I came here to comment the same thing 😂
9:25 "the bass player is carrying the riff." Welcome to the Joy Division sound.
Haha indeed
Hooky and Geezer (Black Sabbath) play very melodic.
0:00 goodbye to the joy division sound. The guy couldn't sing, the song is repetitive- meh. hated it then, hate it now
Yes, both great melody/riff writers on bass@@michelvondenhoff9673
@@Producelikeapro I love Joy Division & Black Sabbath 😎
This song is super important in my mind at least. Its influence on me and my musical journey would be difficult to quantify. Thank you for doing this. I enjoyed watching Dennis react to it.
Thanks ever so much!
“Very hooky”
- Hook approved comment
Haha indeed!
Speaking of Kraftwerk. The guys from JD were into Kraftwerk. Later the guys from Kraftwerk attended a New Order gig and backstage asked them questions about Blue Monday 👌🤠
Yes! We ALL loved Kraftwerk!
The reason Hookie plays his bass lines up the octave is due to Bernard's guitar being too loud in their early rehearsals. He couldn't hear it played low so played it high. Ian liked that it sounded different and encouraged. Hookie talk about this in the official documentary.
Indeed! Check out our video on the song here: ruclips.net/video/uY-PlZxIQ4k/видео.htmlsi=qLfQqWmZBN7PXEv_
That is something I did not know! I need to see that doc.
Marvellous!@@RipReed
Peter Hook was/is tone deaf, and he couldn't hear the lower notes.
Have never really listened to Joy Division...
Eric A from Janes Addiction always listed them as a huge influence and now I totally hear it.
Hope you do more of these.
Yes, Eric Avery has a ton of Peter Hook in his playing!
Peter Hook and The Light are great to see live!
Agreed 100%!
I love when young and now older people discover songs of my youth. Peter enjoyed Love much like I did some 40+ years ago.
I hear you 100%!
One of the first 12 inch singles I ever had, great band, genius production from Martin Hannett as well - I thought of him when watching the latest Pro Mix Academy course as he was a big fan of recording drums separately
Marvellous! Yes, I love doing that!
Indeed, Hannett did a great job on all that stuff but this goon is like “oh it’s trashy” because it doesn’t sound like whatever “metal” he worked on (not even real metal, but Ozzy’s ex-guitarist 🤮).
He should have listened to the original mix. The 1995 version is very different from the original, it’s not just remastered. The guitars are much louder, the synth is far too quiet. I very much prefer the original mix from 1980.
Indeed, it's the first time he;s really listened to it, either way he got the main gist and it was great that;s he's a bass player and picked up on Hooky's importance!
Thank you. I'm used to the original mix and I I've never heard the 1995 Permanent version before. I'm now listening to this video in headphones and hearing things I've never heard before - and I know this song since 1987. Acoustic guitars, a chuggging guitar at some point (6:32), the bass sounds overdubbed (at least 2 basses), the end is completely different... Much more polished.
I think I first saw them late 1978 but seeing them in1979 they'd really improved. They'd play in Liverpool quite often & after a few shows you just knew they'd be something special.
That’s amazing! Thanks ever so much for sharing
Peter Hook (bassist) and the Light will be touring North America soon playing Joy Division and New Order. Go hear the original bassist put on a tremendous show!
Cool vid! Oldham is pronounced oldum rather than old ham, for my american friends :)
Indeed! Bur-ming-um!
This song has been widely adapted to football songs in the UK, it's been sung for many years in grounds across the leagues. Man Utd fans had a special connection with the band hailing from Salford. Back in the glory days they sang "Giggs, Giggs will tear you apart again". Great song, great band and Ian's death was a truly tragic loss.
Thanks ever so much for sharing that!
@@Producelikeapro You're welcome and thank you for making this video, I enjoyed hearing your take on it.
Thanks! I really appreciate it@@Pauler23
I’ve loved Joy Division since forever…it’s all about the poetic lyrics of Ian.
I love it all!
@@Producelikeapro As do I, I do know that there are many who pay zero attention to lyrics however and wonder what the fuss is when hearing a band like Joy Division.
@@ericjenkins2737the lyrics were huge!! Did you watch my breakdown of the song? ruclips.net/video/uY-PlZxIQ4k/видео.htmlsi=qLfQqWmZBN7PXEv_
Yeah man, the bass is simple, but super cool! And it works very well!
Glad you like it! Agreed 100%!
How can you not know this song! It’s Epic..
It certainly is! However, there are many who don’t know!
He's comfortable listening and producing corporate crap which is absent of the soul present in JD and New order.
As a fellow Maxonian to Curtis and Morris, I hear the '80s optimism fighting the wet, mill town gloom, in every note of this.
Thanks for sharing Steven!
Right on. Great video. Is there anything popular like this right now? I don’t mean a Joy Division sound-alike - I mean something in the same spirit? I would love to get some ideas for new music to listen to that is this good.
Agreed! There is great music out there, is does taking a little time too find because it's not Top 40 music, however, the voyage of discovery is a huge part of the process!
If you are into post-punk and goth try listening to Lebanon Hanover.
Try molchat dolma
Why not? 😁 I guess I heard this song for the first time, and I think it has that special "something". After all it's art and you can do whatever you want. 😎
It's certainly Art, and you can sing along!
You would think it would have been recorded in ‘79, but the final version was in fact recorded two months before Ian’s suicide in March 1980 during the “Closer” sessions. The earlier pennine version was recorded in January of that year
Thanks ever so much for sharing! I appreciate it
Absolutely, I’m immersed in the history of both Joy Division and New Order. It’s interesting knowing the timeline of events looking back
Did you watch my New Order video?@@samstevenson5328 ruclips.net/video/Iyzk1Gwwu7c/видео.html
@@Producelikeapro No! But I will! Thanks
Marvellous!@@samstevenson5328
That was magic. They still got it. Great video thanks very much
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks Joey
First time hearing Cygnus x1 with headphones during its debut in Toronto, blew me away, with Xanadu coming second from that album. Would love to hear Dennis' take on B52's 52 Girls
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
First time I heard song was on bbc tv 1978 and then I moved to Arizona hear it from the next door I want to now what is it joy division 1978 I called factory records and got 10 copies and more groups
"Albrecht Dicken" was a Bernard Sumner pseudonym. He used to produce other records under that name, "Bernard Albrecht" and "Bernard Dicken."
Absolutely! Thanks for sharing
This song defines PUNK ELEGANCE.
Marvellous!
Someone get this man a copy of Unknown Pleasures ASAP!
Haha indeed! He did really enjoy the song!
He’d probably dismiss it as “trashy” or “synth pop.” Always baffles me how totally ignorant the “pros” are when it comes to music that isn’t mainstream garbage.
This is interesting for me because I also, had not had much exposure to Joy Division either, and it's fun to sort of be exploring it with another unacquainted person. I remember when this was a thing we did with friends in person: Going to a music store, each getting some new album, particularly if we had just only heard a snippet of one song while roaming around in, the store, and then each of us bringing our new items, back to where we were hanging out for the evening where we would just listen in full to side one and side two. We never had the TV on, but would always be doing something with our hands, like cooking, art, working, driving, laundry, helping each other out on a third job, or playing cards. It was a record or tape player/boom box. It was great getting to hear what each of us drew from the music store like cards. 😊 We would, get to hear more things we hadn't noticed before on our next times of complete play throughs again, in all kinds of scenarios, and be chatting about it, across the table or the newspaper assembly line out in the parking garage. First time I heard a Kate Bush album, was in the parking garage rolling newspapers at 3am just filling my my friend's large old sedan from the floorboards to the back windows to the ceiling header. "Hello Earth" "The Man With The Child In His Eyes" After the route was finished, covered in newsprint ink and ammonia, I had to stop off and wait for Hastings to open, to get that album, on the way home. I had to have whatever music grabbed me, in the way other people would have to have their cigarettes.
Thanks ever so much! I remember the first time I heard Kate Bush, it was truly an amazing experience!
Awesome! I absolutely love Joy Division. Nothing else sounds quite like them, but at the same time everything sort of does? I think they had a monumental influence on popular music of all genres after 1980. Them and Kraftwerk. Everything after 1980 sounds like one or both of those bands to some degree, or at the very least, like someone else who was heavily influenced by them.
HUGE influence! Thanks for sharing
Phenomenal song! Manchester, England, was THE place to be in the 1980s!!!
Imagine being 23,24yrs and you already have recorded an
Ideal for Living...
Unknown Pleasures...
Closer...
And 3 more eps including
Atmosphere,
Love will tear us apart.
And basically creating a new genre.
No one knew back then just how influential this band were going to be
@@Producelikeapro But the beauty of it was that music was inside of them,it wasn't a fashion thing.
Of course Martin Hannett was the guiding light.
Until then I had no idea how much a producer could influence an album or in this case a band.
I'm sure someone else already said it... but it is clear that JD are Kraftwerk fans - as New Order's "Blue Monday" has that lovely sample of Kraftwerk's "Uranium" that just takes the song to another level.
You should check out New Order's Blue Monday. Same band minus Ian of course. But the bass "hook" by bassist Peter Hook, is pretty exceptional.
What version is this? It’s not the original version.
It's the single version
I do enjoy watching people listen to and enjoy songs that are considered "simplicity". They're right but that is the entire reason the song and the band endures like it does.
Because it's just a good tune.
A lot of Hooky's basslines were played up high because when the band were starting out he had pretty crap gear... playing up high was what sounded good and could be heard playing through what he had!
Marvellous! Yes, melodies are much easier to hear higher up!
IMHO one of the greatest love songs ever written.
"Very hooky". Literally.
much like (Dennis) the reactor, i remembered, instantly, hearing this song many many times (i think on the radio during the 80s...maybe while i was working in 'the label plant') but i could not name the tune or the artist to save my life!!
to answer your question...
i seem to remember hearing Hawkwind for the 1st time and being blown away by the sonic characteristics capable by only a few (very talented) guys but this was many years ago in a lifetime far far away 😉
very interesting short vid...thank you
Wow! I’m a huge Hawkwind fan! Love that band! Thanks for bringing them up!
@@Producelikeapro LOL...youre "one of us" too
its hard not to appreciate them once youve been exposed
i was fortunate enuff to see them over here 2ce...maybe 3 times but they are just a blur 😜
I remember driving my Grand Parents mad listening to Hawkwind over and over again!@@adrianwagner336
@@Producelikeapro there are few bands better suited to repeated listening...or with similar results!! 😁😁 "...Hurry on Sundown..."!!!
Masters Of The Universe!@@adrianwagner336
It was interesting to hear what Dennis said towards the end of the video, regarding wether these were the pioneers of the synth pop sound. It would be interesting to know if he was aware that Joy Division became New Order after Ian Curtis' death.
I think Gary numan has that honour
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@@dbefore7165 I agree wholly but we were referring to Dennis ' comment concerning Joy Division. Though Gary Numan and Jon Fox are definitely both hugely influential.
Yes, indeed@@jemwand2530
the drums sound more like a punk band to me - great reaction, enjoyed the travel back in time
Disco drums for me!
@@Producelikeapro yeah, the drumming is discoish - but the sound is more dirty then disco drums in that time - isn't it?
True@@gitarrenpost
Steve was always more into Can/motorik stuff. He was never afraid of synthesised drums either.
It's funny to see how the American & British experience of music is very different. Bands that were huge in one territory are virtually unheard of in another.
True, however US artists listened to the UK artists, so the influence was there, even if the bands were that big in the general public the music was influential in the music it helped create!
Eric Avery of Janes Addiction was a huge Peter Hook fan for instance
It can clearly be heard in his playing
Horns up! 🤘
Full metal mania!
Martin Hannett first brought the nascent digital tech into Strawberry Studios in Stockport im the late 70s. His production ideas were way ahead of their time (as were studio owners 10cc who made 'I'm Not In Love' before samplers existed). He insisted that poor Stephen Morris record each drum separately so he could give each its own digital space. At the time, 'Unknown Pleasures' sounded like nothing else - but it's techniques have become standard, so it's hard to describe how far ahead of the game it was.
LWTUA is arguably JD's best song but they probably spent too much time trying to find the perfect mix, Their sound was always about he unique rhythm section with the guitar often reduced to heavily effected atmosphere (no pun intended). In this song, the guitarist Bernard is playing the string synth, so it's down to bassist Hooky to drive it along. And by god, it works beautifully.
These days New Order don't have Hooky anymore, which is like McDonalds without the secret sauce.
Joy Division is heavier than most modern metal purely by mood and atmosphere imo
Indeed, the emotional content is huge
Hey Dennis, keep your eyes on the twisted! 🙂
Haha indeed!
@@Producelikeapro Such a killer song with a killer bass line from Dennis.
Marvellous!@@thomasnussbaum4711
First time I ever heard the remaster. I don't remember the song sounding quite that thin
Interesting! Actually has more low end on it. Typically remastered are able to extend the low end post Vinyl where they used to restrict it.
@@Producelikeapro maybe there's two much fizzle up top, or I have better speakers now =)
The reality is we hear music so differently now!@@Simbosan extended low end and high end is the norm, back when this came out it had just as much low end and high end as everything else, now it sounds not as big compared too what you hear every day
At the 'bridge' and toward the end of the original song Hook drops to much lower registers if you listen intently, with a good pair of headphones. And the 'outro' you hear here is not on the original at all.
I was going to see them at the Los Angeles gig(s) of their first American tour. Then I heard the news, May 1980.
I knew he would kill himself, but didn't think it would be so soon.
“This is really hooky” You are right, that is the bass player’s name. “Take it away, Hooky and the boys”
Haha I know! He didn't;t know that though and I left it in!
You need to delve into madchester music which includes these then new order who they became, the smiths, the stone roses the happy Mondays, the charlatans, oasis, James etc etc
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@@Producelikeapro Great minds think alike! 😊 I'll tell you who is the most underrated and influential artist of the last 50 years and hardly any one reviews his music accept cars and that's Gary numan hence my avi. How about down in the park for starters? 👽
Variates ! Varies
Joy Division was very much carried by their bassist, Peter Hook. His riffs were indeed "very hooky". haha.
Try blue Monday by new order next and then you will realise how influential joy division and new order are. 😊
Aha! Stay tuned!
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synth pop...? you're in over your head...
Nice reaction, sir. I've always regarded Steve Morriss as a kraut drummer; inspired by Klaus Dinger. Joy Division took it somewhere else.
What trips me out is this version is from the Permanent (a best of album). I prefer the original version, the added guitar doesn't do much for me
I know the lead singer is NOT a guitar player. I know they could've handed him a guitar tuned to G major but they didn't. Instead he's holding onto that G chord like it will disappear forever if he let's go.
Ian played basic rhythm in the band. Just simple chords, of Bernard did the cleverer stuff and handled the keys
In response to @gina803. Bob Dylan, Lou Reed & Leonard Cohen didn't have great voices. They had character voices and wrote great songs. Lemmy wasn't a great bassist & Keith Richards isn't a shredder. Art isn't all about virtuosity.
Man , it's before… New Order.
A producer who never heard about Joy Division before that, absolutely odd at best... And doesn't matter if you're a metal producer or not, since Joy Division have influenced lots of bands in this genre. And they were NOT a synthpop band to begin with... My God...
It wasn't on either of their albums as it wasn't good enough. This track is their posthumous 'hit' pop song. But it's nowhere near as good as anything on unknown pleasures or closer
Joy Division: not a “synth pop” band. Man, what a lame take.
His comments on the production (“trashy” or “not that great”) come across as a total inability to grasp what’s good about older recordings. Stick to your clicky metal bass drums and other trash.
Joy Division and Bob Dylan; musicians better known by other bands covering their music rather than by their own performances.
it goes to show that you don't need to have a singer in order to have a hit record. The vocals are not good at all.
Bob Dylan, Lou Reed & Leonard Cohen didn't have great voices. They had character voices and wrote great songs. Lemmy wasn't a great bassist & Keith Richards isn't a shredder. Art isn't all about virtuosity.
True. Very true. But this guy doesn't even have a character voice. It's just an apathetic sounding horrible vocal in my opinion.
Take what you want from the mix...but a song based on a 1 chord 5th...joy division just sucked. A Lot.
Yes, you’re right. No one is going to like a song that does that.
Haha indeed! One of my favourite songs is 'Working Class Hero' which is Aminor and G, 2 chords and a lot to say!
@@Producelikeapro I know. The Beatles have a few one-chord and two-chord songs. Tomorrow Never Knows is one chord. Fleetwood Mac have Dreams, a two-chord song. It’s quite a long list.
I doubt anyone in Joy Division/New Order could tell you what a 5th was but they made some of the best and most influential recordings ever.
@@southsidejohnny5624 exactly! Thanks for sharing!
Even just three chord progressions like I IV V (or root, 4th, 5th) are so lame... the whole blues genre sucks. Big time.
wait till they hear the dark stuff lol
Haha yes!
Weird that you can call yourself a producer and not know about joy division 😂
Haha he works in Metal! He did know it, but didn't 'know it'!
FYI I have introduced this song to lot's of name guys and girls who don't know it! I know that seems strange and yes, it is, but that's the reality of working in a completely different genre!
I know almost nothing about metal and I intend to keep it that way. Unless we're talking Geordie Walker ;)
LOVE Killing Joke@@RipReed
And call it “synth pop”.