This is likely pure coincidence, as the bottle ship for instance is likely more a reference to bottling your emotions as the Japanese version reveals that Samus was injected with all the emotions of the creatures the Super Metroid ate, which is why she is so emotional in the game. This was removed by the translation team along with a bunch of other changes, so they probably mistranslated the context behind the bottle Ship being a baby bottle. Then the title itself likely wasn't supposed to be an anagram (though I suppose it could be intentional but for a different reason), the idea is that who is the Android MB: Madeleine Bergman or Mother Brain, the fact that you encounter Phantoom is proof that it was Mother Brain behind everything, thus it was the other MB name all along.
@@GBDupree cool can you tell me how phantoon shows that mother brain was behind everything? He's a general right? I thought he was like a mutated alien made of what the ghosts are made of on the wrecked ship
@@lazyfatbum in the Japanese version of Super Metroid's manual it says that Phantoon is the ghost of the first Mother Brain. The English Manual is pretty accurate otherwise but accidentally is missing this line. It's just one of many translation goofs that have affected the series. But since this game was written in japanese then this point about Phantoon was canon. So the plot point is lost on English players but is intentional.
By "retro review" I'm sure he didn't mean for it to sound like 80s retro... I'm sure it was just meant in a way to let viewers know, "This is a video game review, but it's not new." The word retro literally means "backward" in Latin, or "the past." It doesn't really denote a specific amount of passed time; that's just the association people make with the word.
Good thing they limited the game to just a sideways Wiimote with no Nunchuk to keep the controls simple, intuitive, and NES-like. Yes, that's dripping sarcasm.
My only real criticism of the game is it frustrated me every time a door closed behind me and I couldn't backtrack to get that item I missed, which happened way too often and triggered my completionist ocd everytime.
Thankfully it's not as bas as in Prime Hunters with that damn Guardians. It gets specially bad when you are in the middle of a countdown trying to escape and for some reason you take a wrong turn. Then you have to kill the guardians again to unlock the door.
@@salsamancer that's only temporary, and Dread allows for some major sequence breaking in the first place, making the whole game almost as nonlinear as you want it to be.
On the “lady” thing, to be fair, in the English version of Metroid Fusion she also mentions feeling dignified by Adam calling her that, so they were only following canon. That being said, they could’ve done it better
the reviewer has made up his mind pointing out stuff like this s futile. The game has lots of problems but the use it got as a political tool it's why it sparks so much hate. In reality a game with ths 2.5D perspective & Super Metroid quality level design would be amazing. If Retro doesn't upgrade Samus movement in Prime 4 i won't even bother with that game.
All the anger towards this game as being "mysoginist" is entirely pointless as all the "proof" they point to is the direct result of the awful translation. In the Japanese version Samus actually says that she finds "Lady" to be demeaning and that Adam should shove it up his ass.
honestly, I feel this game is extremely over-hated, sure, it's not the best Metroid game but it's not God Awful as everyone likes to make it out to be.
In the days of premiere there was 0 hate all love this game and even all magazines but nintendo deletes evething from inthernet. Kids today things there is hate becouse nintendo special maked it. Sorr for my bad english.
Played through Other M for the first time last month and I didn't think it was too bad, just not as good as the other Metroid games. I didn't absolutely hate it. I would rather play Other M again than ever have to complete original Metroid 1 or 2.
OG Metroids 1 and 2 are dope though, not saying they're flawless but they mostly get a bad rap just because they take longer to learn. It takes a higher degree of basic skill to beat those games, but once it clicks they're great games that give you plenty of freedom to explore on your own (especially Metroid 1). Other M might be flashier but unlike the first two games it totally misses the mark on how Metroid gameplay should feel.
@@mattiasolsson1523 The reviewer only gave his opinions and gave convincing arguments to support his points. I don't think he's just "making fans hate it"
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks. I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days. Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came
It was my first Metroid game, too. In my case, I couldn't wait to finish it. It was too limited. However, I'm glad other people liked it. To each his own.
When almost all the other games in the saga are extremely well crafted and particularly perfect, the only just good game unfortunately stands like a fly in a glass of milk. I played it, I liked it and that's just that.
Yeah, people focus too much on that. Is it a little bit of a clunky way to crreate that game mechanic? Sure, but it's hardly game-ruining. I enjoyed the game a lot!
@@brianjl7477 The piss poor writing is problematic, the ending is very sudden and the Ridley PTSD bullshit really hit a nerve with me, "I have vaporized this clown 5 times before this specific encounter and now is when I will chose to break down" - that's not how PTSD works that's how bad writing works. The D-Pad controls for 3d movement is kinda butt too, I'm tempted to emulate it just to see if it has analog compatibility or if the shitty controls are programmed into the game.
@@The_Muznick PTSD can trigger any time based on any specific event or experience so yes, PTSD can work like that. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@Z-Man7 It doesn't matter. People with PTSD can experience the same things multiple times and still have it to specific events. This is Samus's case here. It isn't bad writing.
My take is that Other M wasn't a _bad_ game. The gameplay took a while to get used to, but when I did, I had fun. The problem is that the game did NOT do Samus' character any justice by making her a shrinking violet, and always needing Adam's approval to do pretty much anything. Otherwise, the game is just fine. That's all.
@@hjjh46 Well, maybe, but she became super subservient to Adam, which honestly felt kinda sexist. I’m not against Samus having feelings. For example, I actually like how Other M tried to portray Samus’ trauma from Ridley killing her parents. However, there are better ways to give Samus feelings without doing it in a sexist way.
@@hwtvi3466 i agree, she gets talked down to and disrespected by weaker men the whole game. Like at this point she’s saved the galaxy three times who are you talking to adam lol
The controls are great once you get the hang of it. That's what I realised when I played the game on hard difficulty. On hard, you have no upgrade (missiles sub tanks). You must leared to master those dodge and combos to get trough the game with only 100 HP and that is where the game shine!
Way I remember you could just mash the d-pad and be basically invincible, there's no cool down between a tap can register as a dodge input so constant taps = untouchability.
Some stories are better left in obscurity. Thats what made the backstory interesting in fusion. Its looking through a small keyhole. Whilst other m gives too much information making it boring and tedious as we know what is going to happen. It certainly doesn’t help that it takes place in ANOTHER research station and a far less interesting and cool one at that.
The answer is NO; it just has 2 big issues, one, that random ptsd scene, and two, the “authorization” thing. Other than that, it’s a solid, if linear 3D metroid game. A solid 7.5/10.
Both of which are the cause of the terrible translation. Adam never Authorizes more than just the first time in Japan. And the PTSD scene is given further context with a plot twist that is removed in the English translation. As for her being in her Zero Suit the whole scene, that was the fault of the CGI cutscene team forcing it because it was "easier to convey emotion outside a suit". Sakamoto even said he wanted her in the suit more, which is why 90 percent of the Zero suit scenes are the cutscenes.
You okay ? PTSD can't be healed just by killing or defeating the reason behind it. Plus Ridley is dead, blown with Zebes so yeah, doesn't feel weird that she is shocked. (In addition that, in a way, she is the reason behind why he is cloned)
Yes Samus has trauma but in the canon this is something that she overcame looooong ago. Like in the manga set before the very first game. And this is chronologically the 8th game.
@@desh206 Indeed, many of Other M actually powerful moments are hidden behind prior knowledge of the lore or careful listening to EVERYTHING that is said. The "PTSD" is a good example, but you ahve to have read the Manga to understand it, first the circumstances around Ridley are clear, he is the responsible of K2L's devastation AND fed off the bodies to stay alive after Samus's father destroyed his ship by blowing off it's cargo of fuel, leaving Samus and Ridley the only survivors of it. Then, she got trained, genetically enhanced and weaponized by the chozos to make her the 'Guardian of the Galaxy", only for her to reject most of it and run off into the world to try and grow by herself. Which would lead to a Space Pirate attack of Zebes with Mother Brain turning on the chozos to assume leadership of the Pirates. This turn of event would see Samus return to Zebes against all orders only to be met with Ridley, triggering for the first time the PTSD of her home's destruction, Ridley gleefully playing into it to make the scene even more stressful. There a chozo, one of those who rose her sacrifices himself to allow Samus and her friends as well as a few chozos to escape Zebes, leading to Samus entering the military and thus kicking off the events Other M presents in the flashbacks, then this launches into Metroid (the game) proper. From there on we saw Samus battle Ridley a few times, and by few snipets and other mediums but just the games, the way how Ridley is fought makes more sense. From that point on everytime she encounters Ridley, Samus goes into what could be descrived as a berzerking rage, assaulting Ridley until he is dead, a reaction which, if you document a bit is part of the steps to accepting the death of someone, Rage and Anger. At the beginning of Other M Samus does clearly states it's been a while since the Pirates were wiped out, that peace had propagated throughout the Federation, thus we can estimate she has had the opportunity to move on from that Anger, or at least to forget it, as the Pirates don't exist anymore they don't constantly remind her of K2L. Thus, Ridley's return, even just as a clone could be easily seen as a new Trauma to Samus a stepback not dissimilar to that of an addict falling back into addiction, regressing several steps towards healing. In Samus's cases she falls back almost to square one. Fear, the same primal Fear that Ridley instilled in her as she was only 4 years old resurfaced on full force in her, hence her freezing in place, loosing her focus, denying what she is seeing, that Ridley, whom she had finally thought to be gone for ever, is back, and thus cowering before him. Many people underestimate the reach at which she was damaged by that experience, and I think what was so missed in that scene with Ridley, was that aspect. Presenting her past was never done, and that detail, that little window into her psychee explains full well why she suddenly is that little girl again. "He cannot be alive again. I killed him for good." Yet there he is, again. Sorry for the long post, but I think this particular scene that polarizes so many people is the best example as to why Other M isn't as bad as people think, it's keys that are missing and so badly given that the impression we have as a player, and what Samus truly is, are disconnected.
"Having her be saved by a man is sexist". You're reaching really hard here tbh. It is dumb that she has a ptsd episode but it isn't made sexist because the person who saved her is male lmao
Yeah, I guess if no other women are around then she should just be left to die then? Also the PTSD situation is given more context in the Japanese version but this plot twist was not translated for some reason, like the translators didn't understand what the twist was so they replaced the dialogue with some nonsense.
Ikr? Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks. I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days. Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came.
That had to bee the dumbest thing that they said. She saves them no problem someone saves her oh no they can’t do that that’s sexist. What is wrong with the world now A days
My thoughts exactly. It would have been different if they made it so she was being "saved" by the men all throughout the game, but that isn't the case.
@@AschaVovina Which is pretty dumb because every Wii came with a Nunchuk. It's not like it was extra kit that you had to buy separately. I got my wii second hand from a pawn shop and didn't have the nunchuk, but still.
@@AschaVovina Apparently every new member of Team Ninja who'd get assigned to the project would ask the "So why aren't we using the nunchuck?..." question, it came up a lot. But no, the man had A Vision.
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks. I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days. Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came.
I personally havent played it in years, but it was one of my first Metroid Games, but it was the first one i completed, so even with its short comings it will always have a special place for me bringing me fully into the Metroid Series and to this day Metroid is one of my Favorite game series, overall i like Other M but its not high on my replay list for Metroid games
The gameplay was great. The quite underrated team ninja knows how to make a fun game, but the controls were just so questionable and stupid. Definitely deserves a second chance to fix things
@@meganinten0078 no no it really wasnt samus still goes on about the baby it still has the stupid out of no where break down scenes samus is still obssed with adam for no reason
Ironically, this would be a great Metroid to have MercurySteam remake honestly the only thing i disagree in this review is the BSL Station from Fusion feeling like a planet: not really the whole point is that it always look like a Man-Made replica of SR3-838 so you never forget this is all the Federation's doing, the X just turned it against you all at once
I liked it. But whenever the camera went to that over the shoulder view, I found myself wishing it would play more like RE4 Wii edition, with Prime 3's camera lock on, and Other M's animations.
It's this stupid idea that because a man saved her during a PTSD attack she is weak. People push this idea that a well written woman being saved or helped by a man is sexiest and wrong.
None of Other M's flaws are exaggerated. In fact, most are understated. Not even getting into the bad controls, the stilted gameplay, the bad map design, the character assassination and misogyny. But the simple fact that the game is written so stupidly and poorly that it cancels itself out by directly copying Fusion's plot right down to the secret twist and doing it terribly.
Its 50/50 Some is good some is uhhh could be better. But people really gotta stop complaining on this game. It's not bad it's just it could had been better. Still worth a play through I say.
Metroid: Other M was, I think, my second game after Prime Hunters, and so it is kind of nostalgic! ^^ I think I got stuck several times, though, and only continued it earlier this year XD It's cool, though, I liked the atmosphere in certain parts, especially! Thanks for the video!
And I love the multiplayer for Hunters, too, my sister and I would always play Kanden and hide in our wee "home" that we found on each map, hiding from the CPU that was actually scary for us there XD And so much fun! We did it again, like, a year or two ago, and that was really fun, too XD
There’s nothing wrong with creating a more narrative-focused Metroid game. It’s probably a really good idea. Hiring Team Ninja to make that game, however, was a really awful idea.
Team Ninja didn't write the narrative though. That was Yoshio Sakamoto's responsibility, aka the main Metroid guy at Nintendo. Voice direction too. Locking the controls to the Wiimote was his idea as well, Team Ninja wanted to allow players to have multiple control schemes using the analog stick for movement, but Sakamoto insisted on the Wiimote on its side to be more like the NES...even though Other M clearly isn't an NES-style game and shouldn't control like one.
There's an absurd double standard people have for Anthony saving Samus, here the male character, saving Samus is called sexist, but NOT the multiple times Rundas, a male character, saved Samus in Prime 3. The other thing is, Fusion already EXPLICITLY stated Adam sacrifices himself to save Samus, again, another male character was stated to have saved Samus in a past game, but is not called sexist. I GUARANTEE if Adam was female (or Samus was male) not one SINGLE soul would call the game sexist. Ridley was never stated to have been killed, truly killed, in any previous game, that is until Other M. Samus states: "And the explosion that followed destroyed planet Zebes, along with the remains of Mother Brain, the Space Pirates, and my long-standing nemesis, Ridley" Yes, Ridley is really tough and can come back from near death (hence her calling him a "long-standing" nemesis), but not from TRUE death like in Super. She is stating the explosion on Zebes destroyed Ridley entirely. You state the Ridley in Other M is a clone, but this is you using hindsight, Samus doesn't know this, the fact it's a clone is what makes it more impactful to her, because the REAL Ridley IS truly dead by this point. In short, Samus fought Ridley (the scourge of her PTSD) many times in the past, but FINALLY got rid of him entirely in Super (real Ridley is canonically dead by Super), then in Other M she is tracking and expecting the Mystery Creature, but Ridley pops up instead, because she didn't know he was a clone, this was LITERALLY impossible in her mind, THIS is what triggered her PTSD. In real life, PTSD can leave someone, then years later, trigger again. You bring up why doesn't Samus use her abilities like Bombs or Varia Suit even when it could be useful, but previous Metroid games have done this too, in Prime 2 Samus starts the game with Power Bombs, but never uses them, even during the scene she's surrounded by the Ing when she first enters Dark Aether, she doesn't use them, even though it would have been the perfect time to have used them. After this the Power Bombs are stolen, and Samus gets them back late into the game, only THEN does she decide to use Power Bombs. You say Samus taking orders is a betrayal of her character prior to Other M, but this is a blatant lie, as in Fusion she takes orders from Adam. Also in Fusion she states she dislikes taking orders, and that it's her SECOND time under the orders of a CO (Other M is the first time).
Several points of yours don't make sense, to start off Rundass only saves Samus ONCE (plus all the other bounty hunters) and ends up kills himself due to his fear of Dark Samus. Secondly, Adam is DEAD in Metroid Fusion and she only follows Adam's orders because of the X Parasites. Thirdly, Ridley and all the Space Pirate leaders DIED in Metroid 1, since then they were either bio weapons or cloned. It's mentioned in Metroid Prime where they mentioned the vast amount of attempts they did to bio engineer them resulting in multiple failures. Plus, the PTSD moment doesn't make much sense considering she's fought Ridley EIGHT times prior, at least be bothered to show the moment when he captures the baby Metroid. At least that makes sense CANONICALLY, the fact she's forced to follow orders isn't good enough seeing Metroid is primarily built on exploration and level design.
@@groudonor12 Rundas saves her when she's falling to her death after defeating Meta Ridley, as well as the time she's surrounded by the four Pirate dropships, Rundas destroys them. Same amount as Anthony, once when the Mystery Creature pinned her down, secondly with Ridley. I am aware Adam is dead in Fusion, doesn't change the fact Samus followed direct orders from a GF CO in Fusion. No, Ridley was not truly dead in Metroid Zero Mission/Metroid 1, this is what the scan log of Meta Ridley states: "The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenetic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end." He was alive during this process, as indicated by the term "painful". Ridley was severely wounded in Zero Mission, but not completely destroyed like he was in Super. Even comparing the two defeat animations, in Zero Mission Ridley just sort of fades away, while in Super his body violently tears apart into pieces. It doesn't really matter "how many times" Samus has fought Ridley before, it's a matter of her believing him to be truly dead and gone for the first time.
@@groudonor12 Forgot to mention, as I said before, Fusion ALREADY stated Samus had followed the orders of Adam (before death), Other M was just depicting that.
Metroid other M is one of Nintendo´s most interesting productions for sure because for every step forward it takes it takes two steps back. *They wanted the game to be a character study on Samus, the most respected female icon in video games from a game series with a serious sci-fi tone but they decided to co-develop the game with the help of the team who invented jiggle physics and makes games about anime girls playing beach volleyball. *They wanted to make Metroid a more cinematic experience but then the script, acting and cinematography were not good. *They wanted to make Metroid an action game with a heavier emphasis on combat but then they restricted your control to just the Wiimote. All of these ideas would have been amazing and brought so much to the Metroid series as a whole, but they found a way to screw up most of them. Of all the games in the series, this is the one that has aged the worst despite being newer than most of the other games.
" with the help of the team who invented jiggle physics and makes games about anime girls playing beach volleyball." Imagine writing this nonsense and expecting people to take you seriously.. Team Ninja did a hell of a job here, making Other M the game with best gameplay by far (despite this being their first attempt).. But like you said, the director or whoever took those decisions undid all of the great things TN did and hindered them from doing a far greater job.
I don't hate Other M, but what I do hate are the frankly dishonest methods its supporters use to defend it. Often, instead of actually addressing any genuine criticism for the game, they'll simply make up the other side's argument, claiming that we simply wanted Samus to be a "man hating ice queen", or something to that effect. If you like Other M, fine. You're allowed to like it, and you don't have to have a reason. No game is universally hated. There are people who unironically like Sonic 06. But the mental gymnastics some go through to try and justify the game and invalidate any criticism is asinine.
I'm probably in the minority that didn't mind the controls. Playing through this on Hard Mode was arguably the most fun I've had with Metroid before Samus Returns.
I didn't think the game was that bad when I first played it, except for the item authorization and constantly being told where to go like in Fusion. I got used to the controls and as much as I loved the Prime series, I actually wanted something like this out of a Metroid game at the time. As time went on I watched some reviews on it, and all of the criticisms pointed out stuck out so much more when I tried to play it again. I would replay this game and Fusion a whole lot more if they had just made it so that you only had to sit through the dialog on the fist playthrough. Metroid Dread is what this game should have been. I'm glad that at least for now, Nintendo is finally making the right moves with the series.
I can still remember getting Other M brand new out of a game store bargain bin for less than ten bucks. Thought to myself "how bad can it be?" Got onto the station and saw an upgrade, just sitting on a platform above. Decided to bomb jump to it and was blocked by an arbitrary meaningless invisible wall- a complete and utter failure of how Metroid is supposed to work. It was all downhill from there.
Prime series needs a 3rd person for exploring to switch between anytime and it would be perfect because her movement and seeing her suits is what makes Metroid
Personally I think it’s prime’s signature to be in first person as a sub series. I would have no problem for the 2d series to go 3D if handled better than other M. If this truly is a close to the metroid storyline and the next game in the series is a rebranded “Samus: Space warrior” (or something less cheesy. Ha!) adding a 3d 3rd person perspective would be a welcome addition for me. Also it might help it in Japan because they aren’t wild about first person games.
what a dumb idea, the whole point of a first person game is to immerse you into the perspective of the character you're playing as. If you dont want that, you shouldnt be playing prime in the first place.
@@basementreviewer788 not a dumb idea and plenty think it’s a good idea and yes me and you and everyone can state our opinion. Samus movements are limited in first and seeing her suits is awesome and if done right we’re it doesn’t affect the way you like to play but let’s a lot of others play their way then yes it’s a good idea. A lot of people don’t play 1st person because it makes them sick and so if you could do something and do it right as an option then your gonna bring in more people. If a 3rd person game I like puts in a 1st person mode and does it right and doesn’t affect me then I’m all good for more people to experience and play their way!!
@@briankinney3140 ''plenty think its a good idea'' the sales of prime vs other m speak for themselves lol, specially given the fact that other m only crossed 1M units after several price cuts made by nintendo themselves, something they never do. And yes,you're free to state your opinion just like everyone else, that doesnt mean your opinion is just as valid as others. An opinion can be dumb, and i explained why yours was. There's a reason why halo cant be played in 3rd person, and the same goes for most first person games lol.
Loved the vid but as someone with severe PTSD and a brother with PTSD that tested almost off the charts, your lack of understanding of PTSD kinda shows, it truly doesn't matter how many times she's killed Ridley, that's not how PTSD attacks work A fucking door closing can trigger me, a fucking door closing!
The game was NEVER as bad as people wanted it to be. To me this is the direction that 3d Metriod should be going minus the upgrade system. Improve the voice acting / storytelling and environments. Keep the action and improve the upgrade system. REALLY REALLY hope prime 4 is 3rd person rather than 1st person shooter
I don't know if Other M really needed ANOTHER rather critical review...I mean 90% of all Other M videos out there already say pretty much the same. I always thought the criticism is far overblown, the game has its issues, sure, but it's not as bad as reviews like this make it sound. (which sounds almost angry...seriously, 11 years later still??) It's still fun for the most part and worth playing imo. Not every game needs to be a masterpiece.
It's insane just how angry people get with this game still, and most of it is entirely the fault of the translation which completely changes key plot points and characterizations. So his complaints aren't even the fault of the game but the translators.
its hard to make a critic review about a bad game that doesnt criticize it for being a bad game. Sorry to burst your bubble, but 11 years only made other m look worse in retrospective, not better.
I loved this game and the lore it added to the series. Contrary to most critics beliefs, Samus' portrayal does make sense and does flesh her out more. Also, this game made Samus feel like a true superpowered badass in a crazy powerful suit, in a 3d space. I think that's something the prime series kinda missed out on. Translating 2d Samus into 3d. This game did that perfectly.
Metroid prime hunters gave me motion sickness and other M some exploration that I kinda liked. metroid prime pinball on the other hand... 845 hours spent over some vacations :)
I really liked it, especially the agility and combat system. Just a different take on Metroid. The dialogues and script could have been much better, but by no means did I think it was a bad game. Plus it had my favorite Samus death animation. I really don’t believe it deserved all the whining and hate it got.
Other M gameplay mechanics with joystick support in a true "Metroid exploration/isolation" game in terms of lvl design and findable upgrades would be awesome.
Yeah one of the top bosses for sure, nightmare was also great, Other M needed more of those bosses like super and fusion imo not the exact bosses but. How they feel
@@Dzzy123 This. The Phantoon fight is visually flashy but otherwise nothing special in terms of gameplay challenge. Still one of the better bossfights in the game but for Other M that's not saying much.
I hated, HAAAAAATED the characterization of Samus, but I enjoyed the gameplay for the most part. The first person sections just needed some tweaking, like doing it as a button press to switch views, not having to actually turn the controller around awkwardly Edit: Also hated the point and search sections, especially the green goop and the one that triggers the finale
I really hated how Other M made Samus into some baby crazy, submissive stereotype. She's arguably the most powerful Sci-Fi protagonist in all of video games and I always thought of her as a real badass. I'm glad Dread portrays her as the beast she is.
@@3ftninja132 not sure we understood each other, I'm saying that without her OP suit she's basically as vulnerable and powerless as a regular human. In Zero Mission, when she loses her suit, she needs to sneak around air vents and holes like a rat lol
I don't necessarily see Anthony saving Samus as being something sexist. Badass characters can get saved from time to time, and it makes other characters prove their usefulness. The only problem with that scene was her insane panic attack at seeing Ridley, who she beat 3 times before this point. Anthony coming in to deliver a blow was not bad.
Fans can have their opinions on the game all they want, but can we all agree that Sakamoto got WAY too much hate because of this single game? The man did not ruin the franchise. He had a vision and it just didn't pan out like he had hoped. It happens to nearly every creator out there, even the greats. And you know what, I'll say it, I like the game. The story's not that great, but I actually do enjoy the gameplay. And for a Wii title it looks great. And if these opinions make me a non-Metroid fans, then I'll happily take that title.
18:50 People seem to forget that Adam's team arrived on the Bottle Ship first, giving him jurisdiction over the investigation. Samus can't just come charging in doing her own thing. What do you think would happen if you just stumbled into a crime scene and started interfering with the investigation? You'd get arrested. Samus had the option of leaving or following the orders of the man in charge.
I've been playing Metroid since the first and I haven't missed a game since then. Personally, I really enjoyed Other M. It was kinda shocking to see the hate this game had.
Me too. Maybe if people hadn't bitched and moaned and complained and nitpicked it to death we wouldn't have had to wait ten years for another Metroid. Nintendo was probably like "screw you!"
I'm honestly pleasantly surprised by how civilized and neutral this comment section is about Other M, I was expecting the usual bash and overblown hate. I need to get out of the Metroid subreddit more often.
Dunno why nearly no one has pointed this out yet but you're just taking the game _too objectively._ And I really don't know where to start with some of your 'criticisms' but 6:50 actually if you played (better?) you'd find enemies _do_ indeed drop items. I'm not some gaming ninja (at least outside COD lol) but boy did I have a whale of fun with *Other M - easily the best Metroid experience.* The way Samus moves, so slick and agile _just_ like the 2D games really does empower you: that's the whole point.
While i do think you can optimize your gameplay to be better, just like any other game, and while i do feel Samus is slick and agile, I´m not sure if that´s what makes a Metroid game succeed and, even worse, it pales in comparison to the all time great action games like DMC or Ninja Gaiden. While flashy and satisfying at first, it´s a repetitive, overly simple combat system hindered by the obtuse limitation of the controls. If they also used the Nunchunk I´m sure the combat would´ve been elevated. What is there, is fun, but nowhere near as deep as it could've been. You also never get the tense moments we had in the 2D games or Prime.
@@philatio1744 Ok but , I digress. In the end, you're a Space Bounty Hunter - you just wanna blast stuff to bits and seek loot & answers on the way. That's why I loved it; point and blast. Actually, I hear people _complaining_ more about the difficulty & intensity - since Samus takes a bit more damage than usual here (just a bit, nothing SNES or NES serious) but it's all about the patented SenseMove. That's why enemies can afford to be so agile, hostile & swarm you too - because you can SenseMove them away.
@@philatio1744 Prime honestly was far too easy: you were too tanky, enemies were barely agile. I actually preferred the base GC without the 'Pointer' controls because the game dissolves as a challenge with the better, more Modern set-up! Echoes is where it got quite serious - so I did enjoy that. The Quadraxis battle and some. But then, Corruption made it all easy again (save for some Homeworld janky parts.) But Prime 3 _is_ still pretty much my favorite Metroid. Maybe joint with Other M or 2nd.
Ikr? Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks. I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days. Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came
You forgot about that one fatal bug that makes a door late in the game permanently locked if you backtrack, forcing you to restart from the very beggining.
No, this game is actually very good. I think the haters didn't play the game and just saw a clip of Adam ordering Samus not to use her weapons indiscriminately. Hello! No matter how it's done Samus always starts with the minimum amount of weapons. Prime did the same thing by deactivating her upgrades because malfunction.
Metroid dread just proved that other M is in fact Canon. Adam is seen in a gallery image wearing his other M suit and there's even a gallery image for the game Other M. Dread did not include images for the prime games as those are not part of the 2D Metroid world but other M is.
Metroid other M is an awesome Metroid action game that was actually watered down and turned into a really unfun bit of wasted potential due specifically to making conceptions in order to make the game work with just a wii remote with no attachments. This game would’ve been so cool if they just let the developers design for the Nunchuck. The movement gets better, aiming gets better, the camera control gets better, the missiles get better, and because they don’t have to hold the player’s hand they don’t have to do stupid stuff like keeping the players from walking off of platforms.
gamexplain you do realize that most of these negative criticisms can be applied to fusion since the layout of the bottleship is the same as the galatic federation research station
The reason for why most people hate this game its because Samus shows she has feelings, it had a child trauma and cause most people thinks she shouldnt take orders from no one wich is the most stupid reason but you have to admite this game do explain many things that doesnt get and explanation on Metroid Fusión i love this game like any other in the franchise an the voice actor was great sure it has it flaws but its a good game
Okay, I haven't played any Metroid titles besides the ones on the Nintendo Switch Online, but IS ZERO MISSION THE ONLY METROID GAME JOEY PLAYED!?! HAS HE NOT SEEN THE OTHER TIMES SAMUS WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND RESCUED!?! Seriously, Samus was caught off guard by Mother Brain, and rescued by the baby Metroid in Super Metroid, caught off guard by the X Parasite and rescued by the Galactic Federation in Fusion, caught off guard by an Omega Metroid and rescued by the SA-X in the same game, and despite not Canon, caught off guard by Ridley and rescue by Pikachu in Smash Bros Brawl. SHE DOESN'T HAVE SPIDER-SCENES, JOEY!!!!
The Adam Malkovich in Other M is nowhere near the same adam presented or described in Fusion. The problem is the character assassination they do to Samus
IMO, no I think that the hate for this game over blown. Some people argue that it’s sexist against Samus but I have argued that Samus willingly chose to join Adam on this mission, she was not forced or tricked.
Exactly. It's Samus herself who suggested to Adam to add her on the team in the first place. Samus respects the Federation's chain of command, as shown in Fusion when (until the end) she was complicit in their orders.
when i played it back when it was new, i thought the gameplay was decent (excepting that you needed approval to use your arsenal, which is a contrivance even more bothersome than getting zapped and losing it all, like in the prime series), but it got boring after a few hours. what really irked me was the characterization of samus as a sort of unsure, shrinking creature, which would have been fine except that in gameplay she was an agile, decisive killing machine. i also disliked how she was portrayed as hungry for adam's approval as if she were still a cadet, because it didn't jive within the timeframe that the game is supposed to take place in - she had solo'd a planet full of monsters and iced the mother brain multiple times by this point! speaking of, the fact that she had PTSD from Ridley in the game, despite blowing him up multiple times in previous games, was very silly, and would not have been except for the game's placement in the timeline. if the game had been set much earlier in the timeline, before the other mainline games, her characterization might have made more sense, but then none of the storyline would have. it seemed like samus' character was from one time in her life and the rest of the game was at a different time.
I don't think you understand how PTSD works. Nor do you understand how the human mind works. She can still be all of those things, and yet seek Adam's approval because he is the measuring stick that she compares herself to. For all of her resentment at being treated like a child, and for all of the respect that she does have for Adam, she is still human. He was a father figure to her, even moreso than Old Bird, so a level of seeking approval is to be expected. As for the PTSD, there is not controlling it or getting over it. It's going to be there forever. Also, let me put it this way. She just destroyed a planet with his dead body on it, not to mention she lost the baby metroid that saved her life and enabled her to kill Mother Brain, and she has been fairly emotional throughout the entirety of the game especially since she is dealing with her past. It makes sense to me why, when Ridley does show up, she breaks HARD.
surprised by how harsh this vid was, i've always found metroid other m to be pretty fun. it certainly isn't super metroid, but it doesn't need to be. super metroid is always right there
The answer is NO IT’S NOT! Other M is the most underrated Metroid ever! I know nobody enjoyed hearing Samus talk, and the fact she had her abilities locked by her superiors, but that was just a way to progress in the game, and Samus’ voice actress was actually good and I enjoyed getting to know a young and fearful Samus. I’ve never got the hate Other M has received, I liked it a lot, the controls, the action, the cutscenes, I loved that game.
19:25 "The Samus we've known for 24 years at this point would not be so quick and eager to take orders from someone else" That right there is my biggest issue when I hear people criticize Other M, I can understand the irritation of having your skills locked behind Adam's permission, I can understand the criticisms towards the voice acting, the over reliance on the baby symbolism, But the idea that Samus in this game "betrays" her character is complete and utter bs for the reason that never even had a personality to betray, up until this point, she has ALWAYS been a silent protagonist like Link, no personality, no characterization (with maybe fusion as an exception). you DON'T know how she was feeling every time she fought Ridley, we never even heard of what her relationship was with any other individual characters. So the idea that this is not " the Samus we know" always kinda irked me cuz we DIDN'T know her. Sorry, it's a small pet peeve I have with the criticisms towards this game, I think most of them are warranted but the one about Samus being out of character is the one I heavy disagree with. I'm not saying that the writing is good. and about the Ridley scene, aside from what I said about we not knowing what was going through Samus' mind every time she fought himm That's the thing about PTSD: you never know what might Trigger it. sometimes you can believe you're way over a trauma, go on with your life normally, then Boom, you see or hear something that triggers it and everything comes back, specially if you're not expecting it. In the context of Other M, Samus believed she Killed Ridley once and for all, and she was on a mission that had nothing to do with the Space Pirates. she had no reason to expect to see Ridley to show up.
I played it years after it came out expecting to dislike it due to all the bad press, but it was honestly a lot more enjoyable to play than I thought it would be. I don't disagree with any of your points necessarily, but none of them were so bad that it affected my personal enjoyment of the game.
The only way this game gets a pass from me is if you view it as a breaking point to Samus’s trauma from every adventure prior to Other M. Almost like she never processed anything and just constantly reacted to things that happened around her not the things that happened to her.
I bought this used for $15 a long time ago and never got around to playing it, so I figured I would give it a shot after Dread was announced. I assumed all the hate was overblown and it wouldn’t be that bad. I was wrong. Easily one of the worst games I’ve ever played. The main sticking point is the gameplay. A d-pad just isn’t suited for a 3D game. The automatic aim makes it feel like the game is playing itself for you, and the first person mode is really clunky. It’s not fun to play. I stopped playing all together after spending I don’t know how long running around the lava section and then out of the blue, mid-battle, Adam is like “Time to activate your varia suit!” I literally said out loud “If it’s that easy, why the f*** did you wait till NOW to activate the d*** varia suit!?!?!?”
When I played it all those years ago, I remember thinking the gameplay itself was fine, but didn't like the way Samus was characterized. I'd have to try it again to see what I think now.
Despite all the hate for this game I really need to play it one day. It's the only mainline Metroid game I haven't played (maybe I'll get around to Spinball and Federation Force one day) and I want to see first hand all the characterization issues. I don't think Samus having PTSD is unrealistic, it doesn't matter if she killed Ridley 100 times you can still break every time, but that doesn't mean they did a good job portraying that either. I think a more action-exploration heavy Metroid game akin to Bloodborne but with blaster combat would be really cool if done right. This was a step in the right direction but the single wiimote really limited it, dunno why anyone thought that was a good design decision.
It warrants playing it at least once, I feel. My main problem with the PTSD scene is the way its shown and how it feels in relation to rest of the plot. It comes out of nowhere, the game never explains it well how Samus feels about him (she just gives him a very quick mention in one of her monologues), so her reaction being this shocking comes out as pretty forced. They also show her transforming into A LITERAL CHILD in front him, before Anthony saves her. It also serves no purpose on the plot, since Samus never kills Ridley herself (he's finished offscreen) and never has any triumphant moment.
Other M isn't exacly a mainline game. It's a spin off that serves to fill some blanks, same with the Prime games. You only need to play it if you want to see how Adam died and how there is a frozen Ridley corpse in the B.S.L in Metroid Fusion.
Nintendo could easily rerelease Other M and fix the controls, and highlight the interactive elements during the first person sections better, which would fix a lot of the issues of the game. The dialogue would still be bad, but a lot of the gameplay is actually pretty good and with better controls it should be worth playing.
![I.N "HALLUCINATION" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/n5B5q1Hwt_U/mqdefault.jpg)
The Baby references go further. OTHER M is a anagram for Mother. Metroid Other M is an acronym for Mom. It's an anagram inside of an acronym.
Yeah, thats clever the way that anagram is handled at the very least...
Weerd my comment got deleted I thought it's cool to like the title is pregnant
This is likely pure coincidence, as the bottle ship for instance is likely more a reference to bottling your emotions as the Japanese version reveals that Samus was injected with all the emotions of the creatures the Super Metroid ate, which is why she is so emotional in the game. This was removed by the translation team along with a bunch of other changes, so they probably mistranslated the context behind the bottle Ship being a baby bottle. Then the title itself likely wasn't supposed to be an anagram (though I suppose it could be intentional but for a different reason), the idea is that who is the Android MB: Madeleine Bergman or Mother Brain, the fact that you encounter Phantoom is proof that it was Mother Brain behind everything, thus it was the other MB name all along.
@@GBDupree cool can you tell me how phantoon shows that mother brain was behind everything? He's a general right? I thought he was like a mutated alien made of what the ghosts are made of on the wrecked ship
@@lazyfatbum in the Japanese version of Super Metroid's manual it says that Phantoon is the ghost of the first Mother Brain. The English Manual is pretty accurate otherwise but accidentally is missing this line. It's just one of many translation goofs that have affected the series. But since this game was written in japanese then this point about Phantoon was canon. So the plot point is lost on English players but is intentional.
“What do mean retro review, this game isn’t-“
Other M is 11 years old. I hate time.
Right, but I also remember Nintendo were in their dark times in the late Wii- Wii U era.
Man, now I'm feeling old... Thanks Chrom. 😑
11 years isn't really retro, but they have to give older reviews some specific name.
By "retro review" I'm sure he didn't mean for it to sound like 80s retro... I'm sure it was just meant in a way to let viewers know, "This is a video game review, but it's not new." The word retro literally means "backward" in Latin, or "the past." It doesn't really denote a specific amount of passed time; that's just the association people make with the word.
What do mean
Something everyone misses, you actually can dodge while in first person mode. By shaking the wii remote when the visor borders turn green.
Yeah I knew that
Yes thank you for saying this! I feel like I’ve seen people play the game and complain online and completely not know you can do this.
WHAAAAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT! Thanks for the info! XD
Good thing they limited the game to just a sideways Wiimote with no Nunchuk to keep the controls simple, intuitive, and NES-like. Yes, that's dripping sarcasm.
You don't have to even shake, you only have to turn the controller sideways and switch back to regular mode at the right time.
My only real criticism of the game is it frustrated me every time a door closed behind me and I couldn't backtrack to get that item I missed, which happened way too often and triggered my completionist ocd everytime.
Thankfully it's not as bas as in Prime Hunters with that damn Guardians.
It gets specially bad when you are in the middle of a countdown trying to escape and for some reason you take a wrong turn. Then you have to kill the guardians again to unlock the door.
Oh boy are you going to get frustrated in Dread. That happens practically after every major progression event
@@salsamancer that's only temporary, and Dread allows for some major sequence breaking in the first place, making the whole game almost as nonlinear as you want it to be.
@@BrendanGill too bad it's still an awful game imo
@@wallacesousuke1433 yeah too bad GOTY Dread is so awful.
On the “lady” thing, to be fair, in the English version of Metroid Fusion she also mentions feeling dignified by Adam calling her that, so they were only following canon. That being said, they could’ve done it better
Yup, is a shame that Joey go out of context and start go little woke. Also THE BABY still give me nightmares today. *VIETNAM FLASHBACKS*
the reviewer has made up his mind pointing out stuff like this s futile. The game has lots of problems but the use it got as a political tool it's why it sparks so much hate. In reality a game with ths 2.5D perspective & Super Metroid quality level design would be amazing. If Retro doesn't upgrade Samus movement in Prime 4 i won't even bother with that game.
All the anger towards this game as being "mysoginist" is entirely pointless as all the "proof" they point to is the direct result of the awful translation. In the Japanese version Samus actually says that she finds "Lady" to be demeaning and that Adam should shove it up his ass.
@@GBDupree to be fair, this review points that out around 15:30
@@sonic064 “woke” I get the critique but god damn I hate that word
honestly, I feel this game is extremely over-hated, sure, it's not the best Metroid game but it's not God Awful as everyone likes to make it out to be.
I agree
Facts
I'd go as far as to say it doesn't recieve enough hate
In the days of premiere there was 0 hate all love this game and even all magazines but nintendo deletes evething from inthernet. Kids today things there is hate becouse nintendo special maked it. Sorr for my bad english.
Agreed, might not have been the best metroid but i actually enjoyed the exploration, mobility and fast combat.
Played through Other M for the first time last month and I didn't think it was too bad, just not as good as the other Metroid games. I didn't absolutely hate it.
I would rather play Other M again than ever have to complete original Metroid 1 or 2.
Its a good game in my opinion. But this video just wanna make fans who hate it even more. :.(
OG Metroids 1 and 2 are dope though, not saying they're flawless but they mostly get a bad rap just because they take longer to learn. It takes a higher degree of basic skill to beat those games, but once it clicks they're great games that give you plenty of freedom to explore on your own (especially Metroid 1). Other M might be flashier but unlike the first two games it totally misses the mark on how Metroid gameplay should feel.
@@DSoverPSP
The early game except Super Metroid is hard to go back and play.
@@mattiasolsson1523 The reviewer only gave his opinions and gave convincing arguments to support his points. I don't think he's just "making fans hate it"
when you have to compare a 2010 AAA game with a game released in 87 to paint it as remotely decent, you know you're reaching.
A shame that this review doesnt include a section about Anthony Higgs and how fantastic he is.
Its hurts.
Anthony is the only Other M character I want to see again.
That guy is a gentleman
He sadly steals one of Samus' only shining moments in this game. It's a shame, since he's a good character
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks.
I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days.
Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came
Metroid Other M was the first metroid game I played and I loved it
It was my first too.
It was my first Metroid game, too. In my case, I couldn't wait to finish it. It was too limited. However, I'm glad other people liked it. To each his own.
Not my first but i liked it too
Nope. First Metroid game I ever hated. To many baffling design decisions. Questionable narrative choices and characterizations.
My condolence
Still down for another take on this type of Metroid. Genuinely something that could be great
Other M had a lot of great ideas, they were just unfortunately poorly executed
No they weren't.
@@MetroidDread313 yes they were
When almost all the other games in the saga are extremely well crafted and particularly perfect, the only just good game unfortunately stands like a fly in a glass of milk.
I played it, I liked it and that's just that.
Anthony Higgs is my homie, I'll always remember him
The most underrated comment here!!
Same.
He is best bro
Best wingman.
Anthony was the only good thing about this game.
I love Other M tho I admit Adam and his approval is weird that's my only irks about this game for the rest it's a good game for me.
Yeah, people focus too much on that. Is it a little bit of a clunky way to crreate that game mechanic? Sure, but it's hardly game-ruining. I enjoyed the game a lot!
@@brianjl7477 The piss poor writing is problematic, the ending is very sudden and the Ridley PTSD bullshit really hit a nerve with me, "I have vaporized this clown 5 times before this specific encounter and now is when I will chose to break down" - that's not how PTSD works that's how bad writing works. The D-Pad controls for 3d movement is kinda butt too, I'm tempted to emulate it just to see if it has analog compatibility or if the shitty controls are programmed into the game.
@@The_Muznick PTSD can trigger any time based on any specific event or experience so yes, PTSD can work like that. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@chrange9714 in the context of Samus, it's silly because she's killed this purple space dinosaur like 5 times before Other M.
It's bad writing.
@@Z-Man7 It doesn't matter. People with PTSD can experience the same things multiple times and still have it to specific events. This is Samus's case here. It isn't bad writing.
My take is that Other M wasn't a _bad_ game. The gameplay took a while to get used to, but when I did, I had fun. The problem is that the game did NOT do Samus' character any justice by making her a shrinking violet, and always needing Adam's approval to do pretty much anything. Otherwise, the game is just fine. That's all.
She is a woman, after all.
I just played Dread as my first Metroid game and it feels so out of character for her in Other M to obey Adam like that.
She is portrayed as having fucking feelings something i think gives more depth to her character
@@hjjh46 Well, maybe, but she became super subservient to Adam, which honestly felt kinda sexist. I’m not against Samus having feelings. For example, I actually like how Other M tried to portray Samus’ trauma from Ridley killing her parents. However, there are better ways to give Samus feelings without doing it in a sexist way.
@@hwtvi3466 i agree, she gets talked down to and disrespected by weaker men the whole game. Like at this point she’s saved the galaxy three times who are you talking to adam lol
The controls are great once you get the hang of it. That's what I realised when I played the game on hard difficulty. On hard, you have no upgrade (missiles sub tanks). You must leared to master those dodge and combos to get trough the game with only 100 HP and that is where the game shine!
and then it locks you out of Phantoon
Way I remember you could just mash the d-pad and be basically invincible, there's no cool down between a tap can register as a dodge input so constant taps = untouchability.
@@rna151 Yep. The sense move is basically mashable with no punishment.
Adam the computer is a far better character than Adam the actual person. What sense does that make.
Some stories are better left in obscurity. Thats what made the backstory interesting in fusion. Its looking through a small keyhole. Whilst other m gives too much information making it boring and tedious as we know what is going to happen. It certainly doesn’t help that it takes place in ANOTHER research station and a far less interesting and cool one at that.
@@lukedavies3654 It's another case of show don't tell.
@@spartanq7781 yeah I could have just said that lol
You realize they are the same person right? Computer Adam didn't have the memories of person Adam, but they are the same person.
@@golfer435 That's my point.
The answer is NO; it just has 2 big issues, one, that random ptsd scene, and two, the “authorization” thing. Other than that, it’s a solid, if linear 3D metroid game. A solid 7.5/10.
Both of which are the cause of the terrible translation. Adam never Authorizes more than just the first time in Japan. And the PTSD scene is given further context with a plot twist that is removed in the English translation. As for her being in her Zero Suit the whole scene, that was the fault of the CGI cutscene team forcing it because it was "easier to convey emotion outside a suit". Sakamoto even said he wanted her in the suit more, which is why 90 percent of the Zero suit scenes are the cutscenes.
Blame the localization.
The japanese script was much better and makes a lot of sense
You okay ? PTSD can't be healed just by killing or defeating the reason behind it.
Plus Ridley is dead, blown with Zebes so yeah, doesn't feel weird that she is shocked. (In addition that, in a way, she is the reason behind why he is cloned)
Ridley is her boogeyman but she's killed her boogeyman countless times.
It's bad writing.
Yes Samus has trauma but in the canon this is something that she overcame looooong ago. Like in the manga set before the very first game. And this is chronologically the 8th game.
@@youngkappakhanYou don't overcame a trauma coming from a genocide...
@@redlinkAS You and I don’t but fucking Samus Aran does.
@@redlinkAS I’m sorry to break it to you but samus canonically overcomes her trauma before other M so she shouldn’t have had ptsd in other m
Unpopular opinion:this game is ok
It is.
People don't want to see the details and little hidden things.
So that's why is so critiseid
@@desh206 Indeed, many of Other M actually powerful moments are hidden behind prior knowledge of the lore or careful listening to EVERYTHING that is said.
The "PTSD" is a good example, but you ahve to have read the Manga to understand it, first the circumstances around Ridley are clear, he is the responsible of K2L's devastation AND fed off the bodies to stay alive after Samus's father destroyed his ship by blowing off it's cargo of fuel, leaving Samus and Ridley the only survivors of it. Then, she got trained, genetically enhanced and weaponized by the chozos to make her the 'Guardian of the Galaxy", only for her to reject most of it and run off into the world to try and grow by herself. Which would lead to a Space Pirate attack of Zebes with Mother Brain turning on the chozos to assume leadership of the Pirates. This turn of event would see Samus return to Zebes against all orders only to be met with Ridley, triggering for the first time the PTSD of her home's destruction, Ridley gleefully playing into it to make the scene even more stressful.
There a chozo, one of those who rose her sacrifices himself to allow Samus and her friends as well as a few chozos to escape Zebes, leading to Samus entering the military and thus kicking off the events Other M presents in the flashbacks, then this launches into Metroid (the game) proper.
From there on we saw Samus battle Ridley a few times, and by few snipets and other mediums but just the games, the way how Ridley is fought makes more sense. From that point on everytime she encounters Ridley, Samus goes into what could be descrived as a berzerking rage, assaulting Ridley until he is dead, a reaction which, if you document a bit is part of the steps to accepting the death of someone, Rage and Anger.
At the beginning of Other M Samus does clearly states it's been a while since the Pirates were wiped out, that peace had propagated throughout the Federation, thus we can estimate she has had the opportunity to move on from that Anger, or at least to forget it, as the Pirates don't exist anymore they don't constantly remind her of K2L. Thus, Ridley's return, even just as a clone could be easily seen as a new Trauma to Samus a stepback not dissimilar to that of an addict falling back into addiction, regressing several steps towards healing. In Samus's cases she falls back almost to square one. Fear, the same primal Fear that Ridley instilled in her as she was only 4 years old resurfaced on full force in her, hence her freezing in place, loosing her focus, denying what she is seeing, that Ridley, whom she had finally thought to be gone for ever, is back, and thus cowering before him.
Many people underestimate the reach at which she was damaged by that experience, and I think what was so missed in that scene with Ridley, was that aspect. Presenting her past was never done, and that detail, that little window into her psychee explains full well why she suddenly is that little girl again. "He cannot be alive again. I killed him for good." Yet there he is, again.
Sorry for the long post, but I think this particular scene that polarizes so many people is the best example as to why Other M isn't as bad as people think, it's keys that are missing and so badly given that the impression we have as a player, and what Samus truly is, are disconnected.
Wow that's a long comment
@@desh206 And that is just one example of how deep one has to go to explain why certain things were done like they were in Other M.
"Having her be saved by a man is sexist". You're reaching really hard here tbh. It is dumb that she has a ptsd episode but it isn't made sexist because the person who saved her is male lmao
Yeah, I guess if no other women are around then she should just be left to die then? Also the PTSD situation is given more context in the Japanese version but this plot twist was not translated for some reason, like the translators didn't understand what the twist was so they replaced the dialogue with some nonsense.
Ikr?
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks.
I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days.
Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came.
That had to bee the dumbest thing that they said. She saves them no problem someone saves her oh no they can’t do that that’s sexist. What is wrong with the world now A days
My thoughts exactly. It would have been different if they made it so she was being "saved" by the men all throughout the game, but that isn't the case.
Thank you for pointing this out , there is still some hope for the Human race
I wish they just used the wii mote and nutcracker, and just had a button to toggle into first person say the c button.
Apparently Team Ninja wanted to do that but Yoshio Sakamoto said no.
@@AschaVovina Which is pretty dumb because every Wii came with a Nunchuk. It's not like it was extra kit that you had to buy separately.
I got my wii second hand from a pawn shop and didn't have the nunchuk, but still.
@@AschaVovina Apparently every new member of Team Ninja who'd get assigned to the project would ask the "So why aren't we using the nunchuck?..." question, it came up a lot. But no, the man had A Vision.
I actually think a narrative-heavy Metroid could still work, but they would need to write Samus something more like Master Chief to make it work.
Metroid Fusion
Master Chief if he was a girl. Give her some more feminine traits, but don’t make it like 50% of her character.
@@paperluigi6132 Exactly. Her 'motherly' relationship with the baby Metroid is the perfect example of how to give Samus some feminine traits.
They wrote her just fine in Other M's JAPANESE version, but it got completely changed in the English version for some reason.
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks.
I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days.
Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came.
I personally havent played it in years, but it was one of my first Metroid Games, but it was the first one i completed, so even with its short comings it will always have a special place for me bringing me fully into the Metroid Series and to this day Metroid is one of my Favorite game series, overall i like Other M but its not high on my replay list for Metroid games
The gameplay was great. The quite underrated team ninja knows how to make a fun game, but the controls were just so questionable and stupid. Definitely deserves a second chance to fix things
The gameplay is the best thing about this game.
the game play was spam sense move and fire fully charged shots
The localization was also really bad.
The original japanese script was much better
@@ladyaceina Yeah, I seriously dont understand the praise the gameplay gets when its repetitive and boring af
@@meganinten0078 no no it really wasnt samus still goes on about the baby
it still has the stupid out of no where break down scenes
samus is still obssed with adam for no reason
Ironically, this would be a great Metroid to have MercurySteam remake
honestly the only thing i disagree in this review is the BSL Station from Fusion feeling like a planet: not really the whole point is that it always look like a Man-Made replica of SR3-838 so you never forget this is all the Federation's doing, the X just turned it against you all at once
I'd rather have Platinum remake it.
@@RaifSeverence eh, not really, Platinum does good Gameplay but their level design leaves a lot to be desired for something like Metroid
@@Artista_Frustrado and? Mercury Steam sucks at everything
@@wallacesousuke1433 ow the edge
I liked it. But whenever the camera went to that over the shoulder view, I found myself wishing it would play more like RE4 Wii edition, with Prime 3's camera lock on, and Other M's animations.
Yep! 👍
Dude, I know Other M is not the best Metroid game around. But some of your complaints sound just like whinning.
Exactly
They’re legitimate criticisms. Other M is severely lacking. You provide no reasoning behind your opinion. You a 🤡
Nah, he's spot-on. Terrible game.
After Dread, I hope Anthony becomes a Bounty Hunter or something and join Samus on her new adventures.
@@Stuntmachine14 Ditto.
Man I'd love to see a 3rd person Metroid in 3D again though, I think that concept has a lot of potential.
How is the solider saving Samus from Ridley sexist? Samus is the one who beat Cloned Ridley and forced him to retreat
It's this stupid idea that because a man saved her during a PTSD attack she is weak. People push this idea that a well written woman being saved or helped by a man is sexiest and wrong.
Same with any game franchise. There will always be the "bad one" of the bunch. And most fans tend to exaggerate its flaws.
not really exaggerated it was just a bad game in general
None of Other M's flaws are exaggerated. In fact, most are understated.
Not even getting into the bad controls, the stilted gameplay, the bad map design, the character assassination and misogyny. But the simple fact that the game is written so stupidly and poorly that it cancels itself out by directly copying Fusion's plot right down to the secret twist and doing it terribly.
@@zephyr8072 I think they are.
@@kotzer71 Not in my opinion it wasn't.
@@robertkenny1201 The facts aren't changed based on what you think.
And let's face it if you defend Other M you aren't thinking much at all.
Its 50/50
Some is good some is uhhh could be better.
But people really gotta stop complaining on this game. It's not bad it's just it could had been better. Still worth a play through I say.
The complain base has increase over 100 after i watch this video.
Metroid: Other M was, I think, my second game after Prime Hunters, and so it is kind of nostalgic! ^^ I think I got stuck several times, though, and only continued it earlier this year XD It's cool, though, I liked the atmosphere in certain parts, especially!
Thanks for the video!
It was my second Metroid after prime hunters as well! I loved them both :)
@Ale You’re right Nintendo is limiting themselves by only focusing on Splatoon even though it’s one of my favourite game series.
@@neilw5541 Aww, awesome!
And I love the multiplayer for Hunters, too, my sister and I would always play Kanden and hide in our wee "home" that we found on each map, hiding from the CPU that was actually scary for us there XD And so much fun! We did it again, like, a year or two ago, and that was really fun, too XD
I also have so many fond memories of Hunters... It was great
There’s nothing wrong with creating a more narrative-focused Metroid game. It’s probably a really good idea. Hiring Team Ninja to make that game, however, was a really awful idea.
Team Ninja didn't write the narrative though. That was Yoshio Sakamoto's responsibility, aka the main Metroid guy at Nintendo. Voice direction too. Locking the controls to the Wiimote was his idea as well, Team Ninja wanted to allow players to have multiple control schemes using the analog stick for movement, but Sakamoto insisted on the Wiimote on its side to be more like the NES...even though Other M clearly isn't an NES-style game and shouldn't control like one.
@@DSoverPSP interesting. That’s very odd indeed. Wouldn’t be the first time Nintendo fucked up though. Thank you for the correction.
@@metroidcypher the result of people not doing basic research and just parroting what other hateful fanboys say
There's an absurd double standard people have for Anthony saving Samus, here the male character, saving Samus is called sexist, but NOT the multiple times Rundas, a male character, saved Samus in Prime 3.
The other thing is, Fusion already EXPLICITLY stated Adam sacrifices himself to save Samus, again, another male character was stated to have saved Samus in a past game, but is not called sexist.
I GUARANTEE if Adam was female (or Samus was male) not one SINGLE soul would call the game sexist.
Ridley was never stated to have been killed, truly killed, in any previous game, that is until Other M. Samus states:
"And the explosion that followed destroyed planet Zebes, along with the remains of Mother Brain, the Space Pirates, and my long-standing nemesis, Ridley"
Yes, Ridley is really tough and can come back from near death (hence her calling him a "long-standing" nemesis), but not from TRUE death like in Super.
She is stating the explosion on Zebes destroyed Ridley entirely.
You state the Ridley in Other M is a clone, but this is you using hindsight, Samus doesn't know this, the fact it's a clone is what makes it more impactful to her, because the REAL Ridley IS truly dead by this point.
In short, Samus fought Ridley (the scourge of her PTSD) many times in the past, but FINALLY got rid of him entirely in Super (real Ridley is canonically dead by Super), then in Other M she is tracking and expecting the Mystery Creature, but Ridley pops up instead, because she didn't know he was a clone, this was LITERALLY impossible in her mind, THIS is what triggered her PTSD.
In real life, PTSD can leave someone, then years later, trigger again.
You bring up why doesn't Samus use her abilities like Bombs or Varia Suit even when it could be useful, but previous Metroid games have done this too, in Prime 2 Samus starts the game with Power Bombs, but never uses them, even during the scene she's surrounded by the Ing when she first enters Dark Aether, she doesn't use them, even though it would have been the perfect time to have used them. After this the Power Bombs are stolen, and Samus gets them back late into the game, only THEN does she decide to use Power Bombs.
You say Samus taking orders is a betrayal of her character prior to Other M, but this is a blatant lie, as in Fusion she takes orders from Adam. Also in Fusion she states she dislikes taking orders, and that it's her SECOND time under the orders of a CO (Other M is the first time).
Several points of yours don't make sense, to start off Rundass only saves Samus ONCE (plus all the other bounty hunters) and ends up kills himself due to his fear of Dark Samus. Secondly, Adam is DEAD in Metroid Fusion and she only follows Adam's orders because of the X Parasites. Thirdly, Ridley and all the Space Pirate leaders DIED in Metroid 1, since then they were either bio weapons or cloned. It's mentioned in Metroid Prime where they mentioned the vast amount of attempts they did to bio engineer them resulting in multiple failures. Plus, the PTSD moment doesn't make much sense considering she's fought Ridley EIGHT times prior, at least be bothered to show the moment when he captures the baby Metroid. At least that makes sense CANONICALLY, the fact she's forced to follow orders isn't good enough seeing Metroid is primarily built on exploration and level design.
@@groudonor12 Rundas saves her when she's falling to her death after defeating Meta Ridley, as well as the time she's surrounded by the four Pirate dropships, Rundas destroys them. Same amount as Anthony, once when the Mystery Creature pinned her down, secondly with Ridley.
I am aware Adam is dead in Fusion, doesn't change the fact Samus followed direct orders from a GF CO in Fusion.
No, Ridley was not truly dead in Metroid Zero Mission/Metroid 1, this is what the scan log of Meta Ridley states:
"The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenetic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end."
He was alive during this process, as indicated by the term "painful". Ridley was severely wounded in Zero Mission, but not completely destroyed like he was in Super. Even comparing the two defeat animations, in Zero Mission Ridley just sort of fades away, while in Super his body violently tears apart into pieces.
It doesn't really matter "how many times" Samus has fought Ridley before, it's a matter of her believing him to be truly dead and gone for the first time.
@@groudonor12 Forgot to mention, as I said before, Fusion ALREADY stated Samus had followed the orders of Adam (before death), Other M was just depicting that.
Is only Joey going woke
@@sonic064 If by "woke" you mean calling it sexist, well Andre called it sexist too on their "3D Metroid" discussion a while back.
Metroid other M is one of Nintendo´s most interesting productions for sure because for every step forward it takes it takes two steps back.
*They wanted the game to be a character study on Samus, the most respected female icon in video games from a game series with a serious sci-fi tone but they decided to co-develop the game with the help of the team who invented jiggle physics and makes games about anime girls playing beach volleyball.
*They wanted to make Metroid a more cinematic experience but then the script, acting and cinematography were not good.
*They wanted to make Metroid an action game with a heavier emphasis on combat but then they restricted your control to just the Wiimote.
All of these ideas would have been amazing and brought so much to the Metroid series as a whole, but they found a way to screw up most of them.
Of all the games in the series, this is the one that has aged the worst despite being newer than most of the other games.
Nestroid has aged far worse than this game
@@amso7169 well it's FAR older
" with the help of the team who invented jiggle physics and makes games about anime girls playing beach volleyball."
Imagine writing this nonsense and expecting people to take you seriously..
Team Ninja did a hell of a job here, making Other M the game with best gameplay by far (despite this being their first attempt).. But like you said, the director or whoever took those decisions undid all of the great things TN did and hindered them from doing a far greater job.
I dont think that this game is great, but it also feels like this review is overcritical and its not that bad
I don't hate Other M, but what I do hate are the frankly dishonest methods its supporters use to defend it.
Often, instead of actually addressing any genuine criticism for the game, they'll simply make up the other side's argument, claiming that we simply wanted Samus to be a "man hating ice queen", or something to that effect.
If you like Other M, fine. You're allowed to like it, and you don't have to have a reason. No game is universally hated. There are people who unironically like Sonic 06. But the mental gymnastics some go through to try and justify the game and invalidate any criticism is asinine.
I'm probably in the minority that didn't mind the controls. Playing through this on Hard Mode was arguably the most fun I've had with Metroid before Samus Returns.
I don’t mind them personally, but to be fair I do think it would be better to have the *option* to play with the nunchuck.
I didn't think the game was that bad when I first played it, except for the item authorization and constantly being told where to go like in Fusion. I got used to the controls and as much as I loved the Prime series, I actually wanted something like this out of a Metroid game at the time. As time went on I watched some reviews on it, and all of the criticisms pointed out stuck out so much more when I tried to play it again. I would replay this game and Fusion a whole lot more if they had just made it so that you only had to sit through the dialog on the fist playthrough. Metroid Dread is what this game should have been. I'm glad that at least for now, Nintendo is finally making the right moves with the series.
I can still remember getting Other M brand new out of a game store bargain bin for less than ten bucks. Thought to myself "how bad can it be?"
Got onto the station and saw an upgrade, just sitting on a platform above. Decided to bomb jump to it and was blocked by an arbitrary meaningless invisible wall- a complete and utter failure of how Metroid is supposed to work.
It was all downhill from there.
Prime series needs a 3rd person for exploring to switch between anytime and it would be perfect because her movement and seeing her suits is what makes Metroid
Personally I think it’s prime’s signature to be in first person as a sub series. I would have no problem for the 2d series to go 3D if handled better than other M. If this truly is a close to the metroid storyline and the next game in the series is a rebranded “Samus: Space warrior” (or something less cheesy. Ha!) adding a 3d 3rd person perspective would be a welcome addition for me. Also it might help it in Japan because they aren’t wild about first person games.
No
what a dumb idea, the whole point of a first person game is to immerse you into the perspective of the character you're playing as. If you dont want that, you shouldnt be playing prime in the first place.
@@basementreviewer788 not a dumb idea and plenty think it’s a good idea and yes me and you and everyone can state our opinion. Samus movements are limited in first and seeing her suits is awesome and if done right we’re it doesn’t affect the way you like to play but let’s a lot of others play their way then yes it’s a good idea. A lot of people don’t play 1st person because it makes them sick and so if you could do something and do it right as an option then your gonna bring in more people. If a 3rd person game I like puts in a 1st person mode and does it right and doesn’t affect me then I’m all good for more people to experience and play their way!!
@@briankinney3140 ''plenty think its a good idea''
the sales of prime vs other m speak for themselves lol, specially given the fact that other m only crossed 1M units after several price cuts made by nintendo themselves, something they never do.
And yes,you're free to state your opinion just like everyone else, that doesnt mean your opinion is just as valid as others. An opinion can be dumb, and i explained why yours was. There's a reason why halo cant be played in 3rd person, and the same goes for most first person games lol.
Loved the vid but as someone with severe PTSD and a brother with PTSD that tested almost off the charts, your lack of understanding of PTSD kinda shows, it truly doesn't matter how many times she's killed Ridley, that's not how PTSD attacks work
A fucking door closing can trigger me, a fucking door closing!
Sound like you hate the game before the review I play last month and feel we play a different game or someone who tries to hate the game.
No. I loved other m. Prime almost made me hate this series as a kid.
Same here
The game was NEVER as bad as people wanted it to be. To me this is the direction that 3d Metriod should be going minus the upgrade system. Improve the voice acting / storytelling and environments. Keep the action and improve the upgrade system. REALLY REALLY hope prime 4 is 3rd person rather than 1st person shooter
IGN, gamespot and Gametrailers had much better positive about this game and less negative.
Prime games are always 1st person dude.
Zero chance Prime 4 won’t be first person like the others
I don't know if Other M really needed ANOTHER rather critical review...I mean 90% of all Other M videos out there already say pretty much the same. I always thought the criticism is far overblown, the game has its issues, sure, but it's not as bad as reviews like this make it sound. (which sounds almost angry...seriously, 11 years later still??) It's still fun for the most part and worth playing imo. Not every game needs to be a masterpiece.
It's insane just how angry people get with this game still, and most of it is entirely the fault of the translation which completely changes key plot points and characterizations. So his complaints aren't even the fault of the game but the translators.
@@GBDupree Many of the points against it are to do with the gameplay, there’s a reason the reception hasn’t changed all these years on
@@GBDupree Not really. Other M bombed hard in Japan too, lets not forget that.
its hard to make a critic review about a bad game that doesnt criticize it for being a bad game. Sorry to burst your bubble, but 11 years only made other m look worse in retrospective, not better.
Not every game needs to be a masterpiece, but don't complain when a spade is called a spade.
I loved this game and the lore it added to the series. Contrary to most critics beliefs, Samus' portrayal does make sense and does flesh her out more. Also, this game made Samus feel like a true superpowered badass in a crazy powerful suit, in a 3d space. I think that's something the prime series kinda missed out on. Translating 2d Samus into 3d. This game did that perfectly.
I should add that the movement was great except for first person mode.
The gameplay is fun and the Bosses are great.
Yes. This was a great transition from 2D to 3D. The animations, attacks, mobility, etc really don't get their deserved credit
One of the only things I remember is not being able to find the green slime to move forward. I had to look it up and felt so stupid.
Metroid prime hunters gave me motion sickness and other M some exploration that I kinda liked. metroid prime pinball on the other hand... 845 hours spent over some vacations :)
I really liked it, especially the agility and combat system. Just a different take on Metroid. The dialogues and script could have been much better, but by no means did I think it was a bad game. Plus it had my favorite Samus death animation. I really don’t believe it deserved all the whining and hate it got.
what combat system all you do is dodge chargebeam
@@kotzer71 laughs in Prime games and their non-existent combat system lol
Other M gameplay mechanics with joystick support in a true "Metroid exploration/isolation" game in terms of lvl design and findable upgrades would be awesome.
The phantoon fight is phenomenal.
Yeah one of the top bosses for sure, nightmare was also great, Other M needed more of those bosses like super and fusion imo not the exact bosses but. How they feel
Was it? It didn't take any advanced strategies to beat. Just spam the dodge and Samus' shots would auto aim for Phantoon's eye.
@@Dzzy123 This. The Phantoon fight is visually flashy but otherwise nothing special in terms of gameplay challenge. Still one of the better bossfights in the game but for Other M that's not saying much.
I hated, HAAAAAATED the characterization of Samus, but I enjoyed the gameplay for the most part. The first person sections just needed some tweaking, like doing it as a button press to switch views, not having to actually turn the controller around awkwardly
Edit: Also hated the point and search sections, especially the green goop and the one that triggers the finale
I played it a month ago. Really good
I played it a few years ago.
I like Metroid other M 👍
I played it last night. It's worse than I remember.
I really hated how Other M made Samus into some baby crazy, submissive stereotype. She's arguably the most powerful Sci-Fi protagonist in all of video games and I always thought of her as a real badass. I'm glad Dread portrays her as the beast she is.
No she isnt, without her suit shes dead weight (cough cough Zero Mission)
@@wallacesousuke1433Yeah, but she isn't without her suit, she wears it for 95% of the game.
@@3ftninja132 not sure we understood each other, I'm saying that without her OP suit she's basically as vulnerable and powerless as a regular human. In Zero Mission, when she loses her suit, she needs to sneak around air vents and holes like a rat lol
I don't necessarily see Anthony saving Samus as being something sexist. Badass characters can get saved from time to time, and it makes other characters prove their usefulness. The only problem with that scene was her insane panic attack at seeing Ridley, who she beat 3 times before this point. Anthony coming in to deliver a blow was not bad.
Fans can have their opinions on the game all they want, but can we all agree that Sakamoto got WAY too much hate because of this single game? The man did not ruin the franchise. He had a vision and it just didn't pan out like he had hoped. It happens to nearly every creator out there, even the greats. And you know what, I'll say it, I like the game. The story's not that great, but I actually do enjoy the gameplay. And for a Wii title it looks great. And if these opinions make me a non-Metroid fans, then I'll happily take that title.
18:50 People seem to forget that Adam's team arrived on the Bottle Ship first, giving him jurisdiction over the investigation. Samus can't just come charging in doing her own thing. What do you think would happen if you just stumbled into a crime scene and started interfering with the investigation? You'd get arrested. Samus had the option of leaving or following the orders of the man in charge.
I may be in the minority here, I kinda liked Other M.
I liked it being an action game rather than an FPS.
I've been playing Metroid since the first and I haven't missed a game since then. Personally, I really enjoyed Other M. It was kinda shocking to see the hate this game had.
I really loved this game. Don't care what anyone says.
Me too. Maybe if people hadn't bitched and moaned and complained and nitpicked it to death we wouldn't have had to wait ten years for another Metroid. Nintendo was probably like "screw you!"
@@mysocalledmixchannel Don't think just consumeeeeee!
@@DuelerIsKing "I... I shall consume. Consume... Consume everything..."
-The Moon
I'm honestly pleasantly surprised by how civilized and neutral this comment section is about Other M, I was expecting the usual bash and overblown hate. I need to get out of the Metroid subreddit more often.
Yes, Other M is not that great.
A good idea on paper but terrible execution.
The graphics are good, I enjoyed the gameplay to a extent.
No. It's not that bad.
I agree. I like Other M.
I was surprised to hear this game got negative feedback. I remember playing it and enjoying it very much.
Dunno why nearly no one has pointed this out yet but you're just taking the game _too objectively._ And I really don't know where to start with some of your 'criticisms' but 6:50 actually if you played (better?) you'd find enemies _do_ indeed drop items.
I'm not some gaming ninja (at least outside COD lol) but boy did I have a whale of fun with *Other M - easily the best Metroid experience.* The way Samus moves, so slick and agile _just_ like the 2D games really does empower you: that's the whole point.
While i do think you can optimize your gameplay to be better, just like any other game, and while i do feel Samus is slick and agile, I´m not sure if that´s what makes a Metroid game succeed and, even worse, it pales in comparison to the all time great action games like DMC or Ninja Gaiden.
While flashy and satisfying at first, it´s a repetitive, overly simple combat system hindered by the obtuse limitation of the controls. If they also used the Nunchunk I´m sure the combat would´ve been elevated. What is there, is fun, but nowhere near as deep as it could've been. You also never get the tense moments we had in the 2D games or Prime.
@@philatio1744 Ok but , I digress. In the end, you're a Space Bounty Hunter - you just wanna blast stuff to bits and seek loot & answers on the way. That's why I loved it; point and blast. Actually, I hear people _complaining_ more about the difficulty & intensity - since Samus takes a bit more damage than usual here (just a bit, nothing SNES or NES serious) but it's all about the patented SenseMove. That's why enemies can afford to be so agile, hostile & swarm you too - because you can SenseMove them away.
@@philatio1744 Prime honestly was far too easy: you were too tanky, enemies were barely agile. I actually preferred the base GC without the 'Pointer' controls because the game dissolves as a challenge with the better, more Modern set-up! Echoes is where it got quite serious - so I did enjoy that. The Quadraxis battle and some. But then, Corruption made it all easy again (save for some Homeworld janky parts.) But Prime 3 _is_ still pretty much my favorite Metroid. Maybe joint with Other M or 2nd.
Samus being saved by a man is sexist? Dude. That’s reaching
Ikr?
Sadly we live in a era where a man saving a woman is seeing as sexist and that's why recent movies sucks.
I hate how they want to portrayed a "strong and independent woman" these days.
Ever since Captain Marvel (the movie) and Mulan (remake) came
Right! I hate seeing strong women portrayed! The worst!
I agree.
@@DopenessFORlife Huh?
Taking a line without context. Classic internet person.
You forgot about that one fatal bug that makes a door late in the game permanently locked if you backtrack, forcing you to restart from the very beggining.
No, this game is actually very good.
I think the haters didn't play the game and just saw a clip of Adam ordering Samus not to use her weapons indiscriminately. Hello! No matter how it's done Samus always starts with the minimum amount of weapons. Prime did the same thing by deactivating her upgrades because malfunction.
Metroid dread just proved that other M is in fact Canon. Adam is seen in a gallery image wearing his other M suit and there's even a gallery image for the game Other M. Dread did not include images for the prime games as those are not part of the 2D Metroid world but other M is.
Metroid other M is an awesome Metroid action game that was actually watered down and turned into a really unfun bit of wasted potential due specifically to making conceptions in order to make the game work with just a wii remote with no attachments.
This game would’ve been so cool if they just let the developers design for the Nunchuck. The movement gets better, aiming gets better, the camera control gets better, the missiles get better, and because they don’t have to hold the player’s hand they don’t have to do stupid stuff like keeping the players from walking off of platforms.
gamexplain you do realize that most of these negative criticisms can be applied to fusion since the layout of the bottleship is the same as the galatic federation research station
The reason for why most people hate this game its because Samus shows she has feelings, it had a child trauma and cause most people thinks she shouldnt take orders from no one wich is the most stupid reason but you have to admite this game do explain many things that doesnt get and explanation on Metroid Fusión i love this game like any other in the franchise an the voice actor was great sure it has it flaws but its a good game
No. Gameplay-wise, it was really good.
Okay, I haven't played any Metroid titles besides the ones on the Nintendo Switch Online, but IS ZERO MISSION THE ONLY METROID GAME JOEY PLAYED!?! HAS HE NOT SEEN THE OTHER TIMES SAMUS WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND RESCUED!?! Seriously, Samus was caught off guard by Mother Brain, and rescued by the baby Metroid in Super Metroid, caught off guard by the X Parasite and rescued by the Galactic Federation in Fusion, caught off guard by an Omega Metroid and rescued by the SA-X in the same game, and despite not Canon, caught off guard by Ridley and rescue by Pikachu in Smash Bros Brawl. SHE DOESN'T HAVE SPIDER-SCENES, JOEY!!!!
The Adam Malkovich in Other M is nowhere near the same adam presented or described in Fusion. The problem is the character assassination they do to Samus
There is no character assassination here. She is allowed to be vulnerable.
@@golfer435 when you're over 7 games in, then yes it is character assassination if it doesn't line up
@@kevinvu5432 Or maybe, it's that everyone just assumed she was one thing when she very clearly wasn't.
I think everyone's complain with Other M is the controls and lack of power ups from slaying enemies
Gamexplain just talk so much negative that the verdict became a Disliked.
@@mattiasolsson1523 give him a break. At least he said so in a polite and civilized manner.
@@Galactusperson
Its was not fun to watch this video review.
@@mattiasolsson1523 "he said mean things about a game I like :(" basically
@@BlaizeTheDragon
I like Other M too.
IMO, no I think that the hate for this game over blown. Some people argue that it’s sexist against Samus but I have argued that Samus willingly chose to join Adam on this mission, she was not forced or tricked.
Exactly. It's Samus herself who suggested to Adam to add her on the team in the first place. Samus respects the Federation's chain of command, as shown in Fusion when (until the end) she was complicit in their orders.
A missed opportunity. Resulting in a heavy handed and ultimately negative experience. IMO.
Joey Ferris, I just wanted to say, THANK YOU SO MUCH for going out of your way to tell us this game is better than
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
when i played it back when it was new, i thought the gameplay was decent (excepting that you needed approval to use your arsenal, which is a contrivance even more bothersome than getting zapped and losing it all, like in the prime series), but it got boring after a few hours.
what really irked me was the characterization of samus as a sort of unsure, shrinking creature, which would have been fine except that in gameplay she was an agile, decisive killing machine. i also disliked how she was portrayed as hungry for adam's approval as if she were still a cadet, because it didn't jive within the timeframe that the game is supposed to take place in - she had solo'd a planet full of monsters and iced the mother brain multiple times by this point!
speaking of, the fact that she had PTSD from Ridley in the game, despite blowing him up multiple times in previous games, was very silly, and would not have been except for the game's placement in the timeline.
if the game had been set much earlier in the timeline, before the other mainline games, her characterization might have made more sense, but then none of the storyline would have. it seemed like samus' character was from one time in her life and the rest of the game was at a different time.
I don't think you understand how PTSD works. Nor do you understand how the human mind works. She can still be all of those things, and yet seek Adam's approval because he is the measuring stick that she compares herself to. For all of her resentment at being treated like a child, and for all of the respect that she does have for Adam, she is still human. He was a father figure to her, even moreso than Old Bird, so a level of seeking approval is to be expected.
As for the PTSD, there is not controlling it or getting over it. It's going to be there forever. Also, let me put it this way. She just destroyed a planet with his dead body on it, not to mention she lost the baby metroid that saved her life and enabled her to kill Mother Brain, and she has been fairly emotional throughout the entirety of the game especially since she is dealing with her past. It makes sense to me why, when Ridley does show up, she breaks HARD.
@@golfer435THANK YOU!
surprised by how harsh this vid was, i've always found metroid other m to be pretty fun. it certainly isn't super metroid, but it doesn't need to be. super metroid is always right there
@wario2255 Remake it
The short answer is no I personally enjoyed this game can’t wait for fusions episode on Thursday the day before DREAD
I thought this game was really good. I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see what they could do with a sequel to this formula.
I like the cinematic style of this game.
The answer is NO IT’S NOT! Other M is the most underrated Metroid ever!
I know nobody enjoyed hearing Samus talk, and the fact she had her abilities locked by her superiors, but that was just a way to progress in the game, and Samus’ voice actress was actually good and I enjoyed getting to know a young and fearful Samus.
I’ve never got the hate Other M has received, I liked it a lot, the controls, the action, the cutscenes, I loved that game.
19:25 "The Samus we've known for 24 years at this point would not be so quick and eager to take orders from someone else"
That right there is my biggest issue when I hear people criticize Other M, I can understand the irritation of having your skills locked behind Adam's permission, I can understand the criticisms towards the voice acting, the over reliance on the baby symbolism, But the idea that Samus in this game "betrays" her character is complete and utter bs for the reason that never even had a personality to betray, up until this point, she has ALWAYS been a silent protagonist like Link, no personality, no characterization (with maybe fusion as an exception). you DON'T know how she was feeling every time she fought Ridley, we never even heard of what her relationship was with any other individual characters. So the idea that this is not " the Samus we know" always kinda irked me cuz we DIDN'T know her.
Sorry, it's a small pet peeve I have with the criticisms towards this game, I think most of them are warranted but the one about Samus being out of character is the one I heavy disagree with. I'm not saying that the writing is good.
and about the Ridley scene, aside from what I said about we not knowing what was going through Samus' mind every time she fought himm That's the thing about PTSD: you never know what might Trigger it. sometimes you can believe you're way over a trauma, go on with your life normally, then Boom, you see or hear something that triggers it and everything comes back, specially if you're not expecting it. In the context of Other M, Samus believed she Killed Ridley once and for all, and she was on a mission that had nothing to do with the Space Pirates. she had no reason to expect to see Ridley to show up.
I loved Other M, even if everyone criticizes it
I played it years after it came out expecting to dislike it due to all the bad press, but it was honestly a lot more enjoyable to play than I thought it would be. I don't disagree with any of your points necessarily, but none of them were so bad that it affected my personal enjoyment of the game.
Still see the physical copy of this sealed at my local target lol
That's actually impressive LOL
@@GameXplain it is, my Walmart also still has sealed ps2 games… lol only about 2
The only way this game gets a pass from me is if you view it as a breaking point to Samus’s trauma from every adventure prior to Other M. Almost like she never processed anything and just constantly reacted to things that happened around her not the things that happened to her.
That is exactly what this game is. It could also be argued that this game is a fever dream or a hallucination after the trauma of Super Metroid.
I bought this used for $15 a long time ago and never got around to playing it, so I figured I would give it a shot after Dread was announced. I assumed all the hate was overblown and it wouldn’t be that bad. I was wrong. Easily one of the worst games I’ve ever played.
The main sticking point is the gameplay. A d-pad just isn’t suited for a 3D game. The automatic aim makes it feel like the game is playing itself for you, and the first person mode is really clunky. It’s not fun to play.
I stopped playing all together after spending I don’t know how long running around the lava section and then out of the blue, mid-battle, Adam is like “Time to activate your varia suit!” I literally said out loud “If it’s that easy, why the f*** did you wait till NOW to activate the d*** varia suit!?!?!?”
Heres the thing... Metroid Other M wasnt a bad game. It was just a bad METROID game. Had it been executed well I'd love it.
I loved this game and Team Ninja did a great job with movement and action combat.
I like the gameplay and Bosses. Those are the best things about Other M.
When I played it all those years ago, I remember thinking the gameplay itself was fine, but didn't like the way Samus was characterized. I'd have to try it again to see what I think now.
Despite all the hate for this game I really need to play it one day. It's the only mainline Metroid game I haven't played (maybe I'll get around to Spinball and Federation Force one day) and I want to see first hand all the characterization issues. I don't think Samus having PTSD is unrealistic, it doesn't matter if she killed Ridley 100 times you can still break every time, but that doesn't mean they did a good job portraying that either.
I think a more action-exploration heavy Metroid game akin to Bloodborne but with blaster combat would be really cool if done right. This was a step in the right direction but the single wiimote really limited it, dunno why anyone thought that was a good design decision.
It warrants playing it at least once, I feel. My main problem with the PTSD scene is the way its shown and how it feels in relation to rest of the plot. It comes out of nowhere, the game never explains it well how Samus feels about him (she just gives him a very quick mention in one of her monologues), so her reaction being this shocking comes out as pretty forced. They also show her transforming into A LITERAL CHILD in front him, before Anthony saves her. It also serves no purpose on the plot, since Samus never kills Ridley herself (he's finished offscreen) and never has any triumphant moment.
Other M isn't exacly a mainline game. It's a spin off that serves to fill some blanks, same with the Prime games.
You only need to play it if you want to see how Adam died and how there is a frozen Ridley corpse in the B.S.L in Metroid Fusion.
How do we feel about Metroid Other M? In other words.....Any Objections gamers?
21:00 i knew this would pop up...
Nintendo could easily rerelease Other M and fix the controls, and highlight the interactive elements during the first person sections better, which would fix a lot of the issues of the game. The dialogue would still be bad, but a lot of the gameplay is actually pretty good and with better controls it should be worth playing.