Penderecki: Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima - Urbański, FRSO
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Krzysztof Penderecki (b. 1933): Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima (1960)
Krzysztof Urbański (b. 1982), conductor
Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra
Helsinki Music Centre, 13 March 2015
I can only imagine what practicing this must have been like.
I was thinking that too! It must be miserable.
Mikaela Howard me too! It must have been a horror! Hahahaha
Well, bearing in mind its extremely serious and horrific inspiration, I could see it being professionally and artistically challenging, and perhaps even kind of fun!
Piece isn't really *that* bad as it is aleatoric, there is no real specific notation on what each muscian is meant to play.
I've played it. It was a very long time ago.
What a respectful audience! The silcence at the end and absence of immediate applause shows that they obviously understand the historical and emotional significance of this piece.
@bill Bloggs ...
They were very silcence
The piece is horrid. I know that I don't wont to hear it ever again.
@@mieszkoherburt354 Do you realise that the piece is meant to reflect what actually happened? The event that this was written about was one of the worst things the human race has inflicted upon itself, and the music is trying to reflect that. It's basically supposed to sound horrid.
@@osiantownsendjones2833 It's not about the bombing itself (but you can hear something like an air-raid siren in there), but on the mental states of the victims. The constant, poignant wailing of the soul, and the eventual realization (and constant denial) of their current reality. I think this piece mirrors that emotion remarkably well.
I think this is one of those pieces where the audience shouldn't clap.
Why?
@ Out of respect for the victims. This piece is dedicated to the tens of thousands of people who died horrifically.
Im not against clapping for this piece but its a possible way of looking at it
@Bruno56 maybe not justify, but you can understand that a full blown invasion would likely have cost more lives on both sides. There is no need to hate youself nor the US for what it did in wars, just like a German citizen does not need to hate himself for Nazi atrocities. We can mourn their deaths but that won't bring the victims back nor will it ease the sufferings they went through. The important thing is to make sure history doesn't repeat itself.
@Bruno56 can you do anything about them? Will being sad and guilty help them? Will the horrors of war and rasicm be erased by apologising? No amount of emotion can heal the psychological and physical wounds of victims. Hating yourself does not provide tangible help. If you really want to something about it, you're better off spending that energy with charities and volunteer programs.
It's understandable that some listeners would struggle, even reject, this type of music. It's scary, frightening, the sound of dread and horror. But it's also safe.. You can turn it off, walk out of the concert hall, listen to something else, etc.. Really though, it's just music. It doesn't ask too much, only to listen. The least one can do is try to engage. It won't kill you.. Not like a nuclear weapon dropped on your city.
Well said.
Sekar Kuno I'm not a fan of contemporary music, but this piece in particular affected me a lot. Our teacher made us listen to this without telling us it was about the nuclear bomb. And I SWEAR, the first time I thought "This sounds like people screaming and suffering" and when he finally explain the piece I was shocked, cause it actually made me heard and feel something. Not as other contemporary works I've heard before. This is the second time I listen the piece and it just moved me. It is wonderful that Penderecki made a composition not using tonality and be able to capture and share how he felt about this historical tragedy. All my respect to the composer.
Most reject it because it's a discordant mess, not because it effects emotions.
Hot Dogs Discordant mess? Surely you're using that as a figure of speech.
Tell that to the final chord...
Today, March 29, 2020 Maestro Penderecki is gone. This is a huge loss for music, the world and Poles. He will stay with us forever. Thank you, master, for what you did.
What happened?
@@Soul_Alpha He died.
May he rest in peace😞😞
@Salomé Salazar Cardona . He was just old , 86 years of age or so. Natural cause of death.
Thank you for posting that info. A great composer. Never heard any news about it until today, 30 Apr 2020. My mama was born in 1933 too, but she is still kicking!
It's much more horrifying watching them play it than it is just listening. With the frenetic movements of the bows, it makes a spectacle almost that of insects devouring prey
This sounds how anxiety attacks feel.
Wow!! I’ve had them for almost 30 years and you’re totally right!
I am very relieved to see so many comments where people said it sounded like people screaming. That's exactly what I thought, especially at the start. Glad I'm not the only one! What an amazing piece. The final chord at the end is shattering in its texture and the way it just fades out, leaving you stunned.
Has a good groove, easy to dance to.
hip hop ad some traps music helps me to enjoying this to ... no joke !
@@adintyaannasaidhiakharisma5202 hehe I practiced hip hop 1year and the I stopped but you're right to enjoy but not thanks to hip hop (sorry for my indeed I am french)
LMAO yes
Yep, Bro. Dance.
How do you dance? You moving like the Joker?
You can hear voices screaming from the strings.
Foo Tien pauh I thought I was the only one. Thanks for this
It's quite horrific isn't it?! Quite confronting and powerfully moving in some dark way.
... The tortured echo of souls instantly vaporizing due to nuclear horror...
Foo Tien pauh yes. It’s what the song was supposed to sound like
I heard a siren
Brilliant and terrifying
Isahiyella no just terrifying
Luke So its brilliant too
Queen Bea Wrong!
Penderecki
Haydenmcanta
Just like the nuclear flash.
Twin Peaks brought me here. It was also referenced in the film Talk To Her. Incredible work
That the musicians of any orchestra are able to play this piece as written, and that any conductor is able to tie it all together in a fine performance, has always seemed remarkable, only exceeded by the score itself. Thanks for posting this performance :-)
I could hear the screams of women and children in the very first seconds of the performance and then it felt like I traveled back in time and I was in the room where they were mediating the launch of the bomb. I felt like I had to do something to stop them from launching it, but I couldn't. I was helpless. I can only listen. It's why I didn't turn it off after the first minute. This piece made me feel guilty for all the wars throughout history and like the only way I could redeem myself is to listen.
Oh!
Да уж, эта музыка меняет сознание, не принимай так близко к сердцу.
What a deeply moving and utterly fascinating comment. You must be one of the angels of the earth. Thank you for posting this.
my brain cells screaming during exam
Underrated comment right here, fellas
I dunno, kinda seems crap to compare your college experience to being bombed with the worst weapons ever used.
@@katewalchle6704 I didn't know what this piece meant 2 years ago, pretty terrifying once I knew about it. Blame old me for that joke.
I have known this piece for over 40 years. I think I have every version available on CD and one rare version on vinyl. And I once had the conductor's score as well. I have still yet to see this performed live in a concert hall in the SF Bay Area. This video comes close, but I hope some group performs it here and I'll be able to see it in person in my lifetime.
Urbanski will conduct it in the 2017-18 season. I am SOO excited for that.
Thanks for sharing, i'm def gonna listen to this when it's light out
Wow. That is so amazing. I hope you got to hear it live!
I heard that conductors are picky about which orchestras they would trust to perform it. Because rehearsals are long and brutal if the performers are too stuck to traditional techniques. It's difficult to find performers that will accurately execute the atypical tactics required.
Truly a piece of art. Not all of art is supposed to be pleasant, fun or entertaining. I wish that every person on this planet listened to this music at least once in their lifetime.
It is sooo sad, terrifying.. forces you to think, try to imagine what humans are capable of doing to each other
When's classical music gets more metal
Yes, indeed. I thought "now THIS is extreme music".
0:07 The bomb explodes over Hiroshima.
1:03 The black rain begins falling on the flattened city.
2:27 People with melted skin’s suffering gets worse while the radioactive rain lands on their wounds.
2:51 The people being so thirsty and exhausted, they die of shock the moment they find water to drink.
3:46 The ones still living begin feeling cold after getting radioactive sickness. Their hair falls out, and they fall on the ground vomiting blood, and die.
5:43 The bodies floating in the rivers have gas inside them, and then the gas pops out through their stomachs.
6:40: The ones still alive get swarmed with mosquitoes and their wounds infested by maggots.
8:24 Nagasaki is bombed on August 9th, 1945
9:00 Japan surrenders to America on August 15th, 1945.
In memory of the innocent (and only the innocent ones) civilians killed in the bombings
В этом случае невиновных погибло в разы больше, чем виновных.
About 5 minutes in, I realized my jaw was throbbing and I had a headache. I had unconsciously clenched my teeth together.
Somehow, I suspect that it's the exact reaction the composer intended.
I realized that much sooner… but only because that was the moment I read your comment.
The way that everyone on stage is completely still at 3:42 gives me chills...it looks like a painting
And then a few seconds after that... Terror and desperation
That really is terrifying, it evokes a primal dread...
Krzysztof Penderecki, one of the world’s most celebrated composers, died on Sunday(2020/03/29) at the age of 86.
R.I.P
RIP PENDERECKI
i think mozart would have liked this
"I wanted to do EXACTLY that!!! but kings and patrons wanted soft, ludricous and pompous music"
- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Tempo: Nuclear fallout in 4
RIP Maestro Penderecki
R.I.P., the Polish great composer.
Sounds like death
Or the sound of the horror of the death
Or the ghostly echo of the sound of the horror of the death.
Thats the point
Then death sounds beautiful
as horrific as can be
Powerful composition. Poignant, intense, moving. The eerie sounds, pregnant passages, alternating eerie calm and intense disruption. The suggestion of pain, confusion, anguish, screams, moans, laments. One is completely taken by the powerfully imagistic quality of the music, remembrance of scenes of desolation from Hiroshima. 🍀🌹🍀
It’s honestly crazy what people can show and represent through music. How they can make the audience feel. I remember my orchestra teacher showing us this piece, our first reactions were crazy. Such a beautiful yet terrifying piece.
I love classical music, so soothing.
Twin Peaks, Ep 8 Brought me here. Amazing music.
and Shining
R.I.P. to a great composer!
That last gigantic chord at 8:25 is so bleak and terrifying. Incredible performance!
ben je tantoe down
You can feel the stress on the musicians. The first time I heard this song I had to turn it off because it was too much.
You're weak.
I had the same reaction. Today is one of my favorite pics of all the times. Magic of music
Why do you call this a "song"?
Fortunately victims of Hirosima did not have a chance listen to this music.
Our music teacher played this to my class in 1981, I loved it instantly. The rest of the class hated it, she only played a couple of minutes, I never forgot it. She also played it to my brother's class that same year. He loved it too, but the rest of the class also hated it. We both talked about it with our dad. And we both independently of either of our classes enjoyed it. Yes it is a challenging listen, more of a soundtrack, but I love the imaginary horror of the piece, it is a masterpiece.
I know a bunch of extreme death/black metal bands and none could truly terrify me like this piece
What about Portal, Ad nauseam, or deathspell omega?
honestly this is a lot less scary watching it be performed live. it reminds me there are real people doing it and there's zero chance of being caught off guard and spooked
This has become my favourite piece of music by far. I listen to it everyday, usually on headphones, as loudly as possible. Nothing can approach it in intensity, spontaneity, or depth. It is the soundtrack to the human condition.
Yup, you took the words right out of my mouth. :P
that's not good for your ears. coming from a 17 year old with tinnitus
Bartok’s 2nd string quartet has me by the balls the same way.
@@helloman1051 o.
@@helloman1051 like a high pitched static. like Bzzzzzzz but really high pitched
A man like Penderecki is truly a gem, able to take raw emotion and translate it into notes, rhythms and vibrations in a way few others can, in a way that transcends human understanding. There are few that will ever equal his talent.
For what it might be worth, I remember first hearing this in the early 70s as a young student beginning the music major in college. The professor was passionate to make this point that the sound field was an attempt to represent the inner emotional state, not a nuclear attack. This is shown in that the title is THREN ODY, which is a kind of direct, wailing song of mourning.
To add on to that: Penderecki didn’t know the piece was for Hiroshima while he was composing it. When he heard it performed for the first time he was supposedly somewhat surprised by the degree of emotional intensity and decided to dedicate it to the victims of Hiroshima
@@phillipbrandel7932
IMO
It could be for the jews, armenians, circassians, indigenous too
It's a testament to the power of this piece how easy it is to forget that it's a musical composition and not just the feeling it evokes. Penderecki's raw intensity gives me a unique sense of intimacy that I haven't found anywhere else, least of all in big symphonic compositions. Were this really just a sound of nature it would be terrifying, but knowing another human mind felt whatever emotions were necessary to create this is almost comforting.
Rest in Peace Penderecki. You will be missed by all composers who follow in your footsteps.
2:19 That siren sound give me gossebumps! Great piece of music! 👍👏👏👏
Definitely
That sound is just so well composed
The timing of the glissando gives it this disturbing feeling. It’s like if you saw a monster-like shape but suddenly it disappeared a moment later. You would be thinking “am I hallucinating?! Did I saw a ghost?! What’s happening?!”
It’s beautiful but at the same time so scary.
> Plays Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima
> Plays O Gloriosa Virginum
He started with tonal music, switched to atonal, went back to tonal...
**BRAIN EXPLODES**
!!!! Se puede sentir horror, miedo, dolor, angustia, desastre, desesperación, gritos. Magnífica y terrible. Cierro los ojos y casi puedo ver las espantosas escenas de lo vivido en Hiroshima y Nagasaki, algo que nunca más se debería repetir en la historia de la humanidad. Gran compositor, gran legado
CON UN INICIO CAÓTICO, CON INTERVALOS DÉ DESESPERACIÓN, CON MOMENTOS CASI INAUDIBLES CUÁL ANGUSTIOSOS MOMENTOS DÉ INCERTIDUMBRE..
Hauntingly beautiful, terrifying and saddening.
The conductor did a good job with this rather unusual piece. I wonder how the audience reacted during the performance.
What do you mean? This is a live video. Why can’t you see and hear how the audience reacted? They sat quietly and listened, then applauded at the end.
I think I meant "how they felt" rather than "reacted"
Nothing could express that horror better!!!!!
Many of the sounds they are making go against all their years of training. So this must be liberating for the performers. Or mentally painful if they are fundamentalists. It's probably like being instructed to drive on the opposite side of the road that you usually drive and told that everyone else will to.
Absolutely brilliant, such fine control of rhythm and orchestration
And who can forget it as a part of the soundtrack for the movie, "The Exorcist"? A great disk of 20th century classical music.
It was actually _Polymorphia_ by the same composer that was used in _The Exorcist_ .
@@RaymondHng True, and the Threnody (Electric Animals) track #7 (although, my error, not this threnody). The movie's soundtrack is a veritable who's-who of 20th century classical music: Henze, Xenakis, Penderecki, etc. which is impressive for a Hollywood film.
Don't forget the shining where Penderecki's music was used as well
Imagine the time thoses musiciens take to learn this, they have all full talents and this music is exactly how hiroshima was
Twin Peaks S03E08 brought me here. What an incredible composition and performance.
This is the water and this is the well.
Drink full and descend.
Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
Какая пугающая музыка. Сразу представляешь тот ужас, который испытывали люди
An intense piece of work. Chaotic, like this historical event!
Lo confieso, vine por "climbing up the wall" y me he quedado helado, es perfecta para estremecer el alma.
x2
Esto es realmente interesante, así como aterrador, porque nos hace cuestionar
A esto le podemos llamar música?
Podriamos decir no, pero entonces, ¿Cómo que no si está siendo tocada por muchos instrumentos?
O talvez sí, pero ¿Porqué, si no se disfruta? Más bien da escalofríos.
Escuchar como va un misil a toda velocidad, mientras las personas gritan de miedo. Los golpes a los instrumentos que hacen parecer que están golpeando una puerta, o moviendo cosas para bloquearla. Las cuerdas que pueden hacerte escuchar voces de personas inocentes siendo asesinadas de manera cruel, muy cruel...
Yo opino que sí es música, así como escalofriante es, también puede ser música, debido a que esta obra del Maestro Penderecki, transmite esos sentimientos. No solo por los efectos, sino cómo la interpretes.
Qué opinan ustedes? Me lo pueden hacer saber respondiendo a este comentario.
Gracias.
Penderecki is a true genius. Trust me.
He'll get god status just like Mozart, in 200 years.
@@КсеносКсенос-р7ь Yeah, hope so. He deserve it.
@@please.stop.coping Nobody knows what will be appreciated or considered relevant in 100 years, because any atempt at trying to predict scenarios is limited by our present criteria. Besides, real geniuses probably will be born in the meantime.
My first comment is half joke, half _why not?_
It's incredible how can you hear the story through the music, don't why music should be only about the melody, harmony, rhythm etc. Of course I like Chopin, Glinka, Rachmaninoff and many others, but I guess I don't "see" this only like a music a see as a pure art as others works from other authors. I think that person has to have it in himself, when we were learning about this era of music even the teacher said she don't like it and I was the only one, god I miss the school... so the thing I wanted to say was that music art isn't only about music but it's a collection of music, visions and feelings and if you have rich fantasy it's actually easier to "see it" hear it.
Well I'm sorry about my long monologue it's just some of these comments that this isn't music and that it's awful etc. just made me feel little bit sad and depressed...(and yes even more than the music)
Pineapplefrost1 people who only say "is terrible music" is missing the point of this piece. I don't like contemporary music THAT much, but this piece goes beyond that just experimenting with sounds as many composers do. There's a strong and important background and if you're aware of this, and still think "this is not music" then there's something wrong with you. It is supposed to be "terrifying" and not "sound good". Is about the victims of Hiroshima, it cannot be expressed in a "pretty" way.
Una de las mejores cosas que vi en mi vida!
I love that they used this during the climax of the film Children of Men.
すげぇなぁ
これどうやって楽譜書いてあるんだろ
Beautiful
some truly professional musicians--i didn't see a single person in the orchestra smirking while they played.
Why would they.
he's not smirking. He's concentrating, you boor
Because they look ridiculous playing this shit music
Daniel Zarb-Cousin you can Go and watch other video, no one asked you to come and listen. I kindly suggest you to Let everyone else enjoy this without your hate here
keep up the facerobics. you're falling behind.
I've listened to recordings of this before, but in particular watching it is a different experience. The way no one moves in unison - as opposed to the typically near medical synchronization of most performances - replicates the frantic and manic nature of the song. Like each performer is experiencing their own, independent crisis, drowned alongside the noise.
Grande Maestro - Penderecki. Rest in peace.
Penderecki a réalisé ce qu'il a fait en s'appuyant sur les fondations de la musique classique posées par les grands maîtres avant lui. Tout le monde, de Palestrina à Schoenberg, a joué un rôle fondamental dans la construction de son univers sonore pour devenir le compositeur que nous connaissons aujourd'hui.
Alguien que hable castellano y que lo escuche en tremendo 2020
En tremendo '20 y años posteriores seguramente lo escucharé :)
2021 XD
この曲を演奏するのはとても難しいでしょうね。広島の悲劇を描いていると言われるが、通常は用いない弦楽器の奏法で音楽を紡いでいくのは至難の業でしょう。しかし、指揮者ウルバンスキとこのフィンランドのオーケストラは見事です。
4:58 is what my worst nightmares sound like. I got mad goosebumps
Justin Roman the only part of the piece which isn’t atonal?
jest tak niezrozumiała, że aż się chce słuchać, to tak jak się ktoś wypowiada o książce, że jest jakaś , ale jej nie czytał, tak się słucha Threnody.....
This is unpleasant noise for my ears, I Guess it wants to express the sorrow of the souls who lived that sad episode in history.
This piece is so fitting given its title. It actually sounds like people screaming at some parts.
First found this song from the climactic scene in "Children of Men" from 2008. Now returning from "Black Mirror"'s use of the song (and others of Penderecki) in the film "Metal Head".
Evokes a true terror that is simply unmatched. William's use of bowing and beats/slaps come close in his score for "Close Encounters".
This is the water,
And THIS is the well.
DRINK FULL
and descend.
The horse is the
white of the eyes,
and dark within.
A bit anticlimactic ?
Gotta light?
This is so far beyond impressive. To evoke the mood this piece brings is simply amazing.
Кажется, что такие звуки не возможно получить обычными музыкальными инструментами, Но Пендерецкий нам показывает что можно получить гораздо больше тембров и звуков. НЕт мелодии нет гармонии, нет ритма скажете вы. Где же тут музыка. А музыка именно в этом.Здесь каждый звук и созвучие несут определенную смысловую нагрузку. Чтобы лучше понимать что же хотел нам сказать композитор этой музыкой он дал ей название. Весь спектр ужаса, страдания, смерти, безысходности и уродливости войны показано тут.
Кто перешёл с исторического канала Минаева + лойс
я честно, ничё не внял с этой музыки. не дорос видимо
Beautiful piece
zegnaj Mistrzu wielkie dzieki AVE
I can see this being a huge influence in horror movies soundtracks. Briliant and horrifiyng, METAL AF
Godspeed, Penderecki!
Needs more than one hearing to get the full impact of this piece............amazing !......
This is what inhumanity sounds like. This is the sound of factory farms, concentration camps and war.
R.I.P. Mr. Penderecki.
2020.3.29
This is a huge loss for music, the world and Poles. He will stay with us forever. Thank you, master, for what you did.
Teacher:the test is not that hard!
The test: 7:00
Krzysztof Penderecki RIP [*] 29.03.2020
This score dates from the first ceative period of the author, during wich he could be considered as belonging to the avant garde school. Then, he mase a strange U turn in his writing style, which turned to postmomantism aand postexpressinism.
postexpressionism ..... ;-)
Realmente expresa aquello que homenajea, aunque sea, en sí, algo imposible.
The devil search down his bed for penderecki
Esta música expresa con mucha fuerza expresiva el horror y angustia de las victimas y sobreviviente de Hiroshima
Fantastic performance and timely in this period of nascent facism and the blind leading the blind in the world. No, it ain't easy listening to this.
This is scary, yet lovely music. It’s not supposed to be danceable. It's about death and destruction, not happy feet. Geeze.
I'm sorry but the male violinist at 2:37 is gorgeous.
Somebody should make a video reaction about it 😅
I can't imagine the pain they had showing up for rehearsal for this piece.
Totalmente vanguardista muy emocionante y el suspenso OMG ...
Can anyone guess what this music about, without reading title?
Doom.