Outboard pull start recoil rewinding
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- In this video we take a look at the pull start recoil unit from an outboard. We replace the chord and rewind the spring as well as looking at the start in gear protection.
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Fantastic help. I spent a few hours and a lot of headscratching trying to reassemble my Tohatsu rewind spring. I would not have ever guessed at this procedure. Thanks!!
I demounted such a spring once, never found it back. That was 30 years ago.
Now, at last, I know what went wrong and how it shoot be done.
Got a 15 HP Mercury myself so this video will be of great help when ever I have to change the cord.
Thx
Greetings from a cold Netherlands.
Hans
Thanks Hans, glad the video helped you and stay warm!
Very helpful. For the recoil spring, I attached the two cable ties as you said but then put them over my hand and up my arm in advance to avoid that tricky bit you described.
Thank you!
Thanks a lot. The identical mechanism on my 2016 Mercury 20. One suggestion- thread your arm through the cable tie loop before winding, then it just drops into place, or at least it should. I couldn't get this step to work as the cable tie kept slipping off. I cut out a "U" shape from 12mm ply and this kept everything in place.
Having no mechanical training I thought my aging pull cord on my 15hp Yamaha would need a pro to replace it. This great video gave me courage and give it a try myself. The recoil spring was definitely the hardest part of the job, must have exploded 10 time s before if got my winding technique right. All back together and works like new! Many thanks for the video, awesome!
Nice work on getting it fixed up. :)
Tis quite common in older outboards for the bent over rounded inner end to snap off all together..I got caught out once being sold the wrong size spring from a wrecker...in the end we got the correct one and went on youtube for "best methods" to put these back in...ended up with the cordless drill and cable tie routine.... I think I will adopt your vice grips recommendation next time. Cheers
The ends can definitely snap off if bend, and they are very easy to bend when winding, that's for sure.
Thanks very much i did it myself you are a very good teacher keep up the good work
Thanks Stu. I tried to rewind the recoil spring on my Tohatsu starter both on the boat (terrible idea plus I dropped the 10mm in the water) and on the tailgate of the truck. Still didn't work. Your method worked wonderfully and the starter is back together with a new cord. Boat is 400 km away at the saltwater so I can't reassemble for a bit. Also made me feel like a man to start the disassembled motor by crudely wrapping a rope around the flywheel. It worked.
Good on you for both getting the engine started and your spring rewound!
The bottle of beer is definitely a necessary tool for this job....
Awesome mate! Just broke my pull start in remote Indo. Found some cell service and googled how to....your video came up and I'm back on the water. Cheers. 🤙🌊⚓
Great video very good explanation on rewind starters .vhe is right them main springs are a nightmare.
Thank you so much for explaining how the spring works. I ended up rewinding my spring in my hand, use the vise grip and then to drop it back in. Unfortunately the outer tab snapped off on the first pull.
Here is a tip:
I made a new tab by bending it back in shape, but snapped it the first two times. Remembered it's spring steel added some heat with propane torch while bending and presto. Saved myself from purchasing a new unit, rewound and runs good as new.
I also cleaned all the parts reapplied some oil and grease in areas that had friction. Again thankful for your videos helped me understand beforehand.
You're welcome mate. For sure, heat helps a lot when bending metal like that.
you sir, are a life saver ,greatly appreciated didnt "preload " my spring but couldnt figure out why it wouldnt take all the cord back in .thanks and subbed
Cheers mate we live out in a remote part of Fiji and needed to replace the pull start string for the life of me I could not work out how to rewind the rope with tension. Keep it up
You're welcome mate, good luck!
This was driving me insane and your method worked best, thanks for the great video
Very Very Very Good ,Thank You, That was Brilliant.
Thanks Allan, glad it helped you. :)
Danger Marine stue thank you for all video’s Iam learning heap’s from you unfortunately I have a Home Building background and have 2 Honda outboard s 10 HP identical 350 seriel no s apart problem impeller etc learned from you Thank you so much you are a great Teacher and wonderful person el Gentleman all the best to you and your family
Thanks so much. This spring winding technique works great.
Great video. All those tips should work for any small outboard.
For sure, most recoil systems are quite similar.
Mine broke, i use the same coil, its just shorter now. The fist bend i did broke after two pulls, next bend i did it with a nail to make the metal bend around it. It was really helpfull the tip about how re tighten the coil.
Glad the vid was helpful mate. :)
Thank you. I was having an issue with my mariner 30hp recoil as when it came apart, it didnt look like any other recoil i had seen. This engine you are showing being similar showed that the one I had, had been slightly damaged on removal and was longer the proper shape. Saved me $$ not buying a new one and just bending this one back to how it was and 5 minutes putting it back together. Working mint now.
Thank you so much, my cord recent broke trying to pull it at the boat ramp 🤦♂️ working on a 1996 Tohastu 30hp not the same exact set up but you’re video definitely helped going to subscribe now!
Another great video. That technique looks like it would work on almost all pull start motors. Keep filming, it's a long winter where I live.
Thanks mate. Yep. That technique is same for most lawn movers, chainsaws etc. Will try to keep you entertained through the winter. ;)
Thanks. This was a great help. I wonder how many cut fingers this video has saved
thank you so much for this video!!your right!!!! that coil spring is a NIGHTMARE i started laughing when you said that and did that short little bit, this is my first time putting one back together and i spent about and hour trying to put it back together with a flat head screw driver and my fingers....didnt work out so well...ended up giving up from frustration haha. gonna give it another go tomorrow the way you did it, thanks again
Thank you man that was really helpful and I was able recoil my coil ! That was a frustrating experience before I saw your technique..
Glad it helped. :)
Gday mate this is another one i took to my mech ,my first boat had a tohatsu 30 on it with a dodgy cord and i didnt know ,sunny day for fishing push away from the beach put the almighty pull in and yep arse up i go with the pull handle still in my hand no fishing that day didnt get hurt as i landed in between the two front seats but not happy jan very embarrasing great insight into how they work .
You wouldn't get the first person to end up in the front of their boat after a snapped pull start cord!
i was spewing hahahaha
Thanks for great detailed video. Would you do a Yamaha 150 hp outboard cooling water passage. The Owner manual calls for cleaning everything 50 hours but do not tell any guidelines. Thanks
Very good clear tutorial
Helped a lot. Good description and showing of each step. Cheers!
Glad it helped!
Great trick, technique worked a treat, got it done first time. Thanks
Excellent presentation,top gun marine mechanic
Good video Stu. I don't have a recoil start outboard, but it's good info anyway. Never know when I might own one with recoil start.
The same applies to most lawn mowers and other petrol garden tools too.
Love the accent. Couldn't find the Yam official method, thank you so much for posting this!
Not sure why a cable tie is useful, I skipped that, just attach the big vice grips as soon as you've wound it with the little ones.
:)
Glad it was helpful!
Good tutorial for the spring rewind. Got an old Johnson 4hp to do tomorrow now...passes the Coronal Virus lockdown time quite nicely 15/5/2020
You help me alot I save some money on a very simple thing
Glad to help. :)
Thank you so much. This video helped save me immense frustration rewinding that damn spring.
Thanks. Great tips. Made an easy task
Your vids are always a big help, Stu.
Thanks so much for this, I had the same job this afternoon and got it right first time after watching this vid!
Nice work on getting it right first time. It is tricky!
great technique on the spring
Thanks! this helped me a ton fixing my johnson 3hp, very fiddly bending the coil to grip to the pull start again but after a few trys and re coils its good as new, cheers Dangar Marine.
What a great video showing examples of when you should be wearing those safety glasses but don't. Working outside was pain today, the glasses kept fogging up in the Sydney humidity, and my sweating head. No choice though as I was grinding metal and fibreglass.
A suggestion along the same theme- my 50hp two stroke has a V groove for a rope start - how about a video on starting a normally non pull start engine with the emergency / backup rope start system?
My mate has given up on his rope start 9.9hp Tohatsu now uses his old battery drill on to the top nut of the fly wheel to start his motor. :-)
I hate safety glasses when they keep fogging up, but as you say, grinding fibreglass doesn't leave you much choice. A video on pull starting using an emergency rope is a good idea.
i have a pair of screened glasses that they wear in the woods like for thinning etc... i use them when its humid out.
Good guide that. I find that figure of 8 knot in rope is more secure.............but not always room for it?
Got to be the worst job ever whilst doing outboard maintenance. Legend!
It's a nightmare, isn't it!
Thank you for this video I had the rope brake on 9.9 Honda ...now I know what I did wrong ⚓️
Oh well, better late than never. :)
Another helpful video!
Glad to hear it!
This helped me, thanks!
Thank you! Very helpful...and entertaining!!!
Tonight I had to replace the starting solenoid on my 25HP Johnson from 1978. I could not figure out why the ground to the solenoid wasn't grounded, so being the brilliant man that I am, I moved the wire to where I knew I had ground. Then when cleaning up my tools, I was walking back towards my boat and noticed the gear selector in forward. NO!!! Not a difficult fix, but I'll have to move that wire back to the correct place.
Ah, we've all done that before. ;)
I fixed it last night. Turned over perfectly and I checked that it would not turn over in forward or reverse. I've learned more from mistakes than doing things right every time.
Hi Stu,a great video,I know now how to change a pull start cord,I bring it to you lol. Regards.
I don't blame you!
Morning.
Just picked up a Gamefisher 9.9 outboard for a steal . Seller said he feels the emergency kill switch isn't allowing the motor to start. After putting it on the stand, the prop is free spinning in neutral. Holding the control handle on start, no fuel to it, and give the pull cord a slow pull, not too hard, and it is rough .
also the gear selector (forward reverse) seems to be somewhat stuff and loose at the same time.... Ideas?
Thanks, this helped alot!
Great video
Thanks mate.
Hey mate what is that small white plastic part called that flicks out and has ser clip under to take off when you pull the cord you were talking about it at 6mins 30seconds into video mine completely exploded this morning I think
thanks for your help
Awesome video!
Great Video!!!! Thanks a lot. Used similar approach and principle on my engine
hello friend. I'm from Brazil, I see that you have great knowledge. so i would like to ask if there is a possibility to install electric starter on a yamaha 15hp 2t engine. which parts to use. or would it be impossible?
I recommend wearing gloves as additional protection if the spring unwinds suddenly together with eye protection to avoid nasty cuts.
thank you, great help
Very well shown, as always thanks for the great videos !
Thanks mate.
When i drown the cord it slipped at times and the other time i pulled the cord it came out and didn't return in the engine
Awesome Video Stu! I'll get a better picture with my shirt on tomorrow and send it to you!
Thanks mate. I'll swap the pic when it arrives. New channel name too?
Yes! Since I do much more than boat and outboard stuff so I decided to change it!
..very helpful video..thanks man..
another great video really helpful will definitely adopt that method for spring PS need to do my cambelt next year a video would be really good on
Thanks mate. Here is a really old video that might help with your cam belt. ruclips.net/video/1tkuBGBRbrQ/видео.html
Man, I think this is going to be much harder than cleaning my carb on my 9.8 tohatsu
It is a pain of a jo!
I need help with replacing the recoil on a 1979 mercury 4.5hp it's alot more complicated than a johnson/evinrude.
I can’t get my pull start to engage fly wheel, the metal pin than sticks through the spring dies not seem to have enough friction to open the plastic latch. I can’t see why it’s slips so, everything appears normal
What am I missing I just did the job without disassembling. Just wond it by hand stuck the rope in
Nice work mate
Thanks Dean. :)
What causes the white thing to break
16:30 im gonna wear these glasses... 16:40.. no glasses HAHAHA
Thanks man this is great
Very well done and just what i needed. Thank you.
I wind them by hand. I just put the outermost spiral in the catching piece and just shove towards the end over and over... I hate those springs so much lol.
Springs can be nasty when coiled AKA charged. Winding large torsion springs on garage doors always makes me a little nervous!
+Fireship1 I would hate for a garage spring to snap back under pressure especially when because they could just break and cut my throat... scary stuff
So this is the procedure the service manual says to follow, but I've always found it really tough to do it that way. Probably causes the least damage to the spring though.
I just bought a jon boat and it came with a 1996 Mercury 6hp 2 stroke outboard. I spent the whole day at the lake and the pull start worked perfectly. Towards the end of the day I went to start the motor and when I pulled on the cord it made a crazy noise. It sounded like I was pulling a chain out of a coffee can. The motor started so I headed in for the day. I haven’t had time to do a thorough inspection yet but could use any help or advice you might have. Thanks
Thank you Dangar!
My pull start works fine for about three pulls then on the fourth pull it feels like I got a brick wall. My hand hurts like hell then it will do it all over again. Any thoughts, suggestions? Thanks!!
Thank you you video help me a lot
Glad to hear that. :)
very good video friend
i have a 5hp honda that starts great but seems to be hard to pull allot of tension. seems tough. i have seen other guys start their outboards on first pull and really easy Thoughts?
Hi great video. I have one question, I cut my starter cord to replace my handle on my pull start, if my cord is to short what does that mean? Will there be pressure on the engine when it’s running if the cord doesn’t retract all the way back to its original position? And should I replace the cord? Thanks
It just means that there will be a little bit of extra tension on the spring which won't harm the motor at all.
Dangar Marine I have the opposite issue- when at rest the handle is a few inches out so it does not retract all the way. Does that mean that before I pull the cord the spring is at 0% (not the 80% you recommended. If so is there anything wrong with this? Does it make it harder to pull start? Thanks
Ok I had all the fuel system done and carb done,waiting on fuel filter.Also new fuel pump.Do you think coil will make it surge at full throttle?
Hi Dangar Marine .
I have a special tool for winding the spring.
How you make it is also interesting !
Regards From Germany
I was thinking of making a tool up. Maybe it will be one of the quick tip videos on day. :)
What is the name of the part that the pull cord assemble mounts to, that the groves fit into that catches when you pull the cord?
I wish youd do a 1971 Mercury thunderbolt. Waiting on a new spring to get here. The spring has a wierd end on it not just bent at a 90 I tried to heat and just bend a tab on the end didnt work😠. I need to redo the whole assembly not just the spring.
I have a 15 hp 1998 mercury outbourd motor and I wanna change the recoil but I can't get this flathead bolt undone. Anyone have any ideas to help me out ?
Thanks,
Explained very well, Thanks
Thanks Terry. :)
i do own a honda 25 hp....so far no problems at all, but was wondering how do i pull start É in case of battery failure
you put the clip in diferent way that was set when you first took it off. Does it work both ways? sorry for my bad english, im from Brazil
What causes the dog to keep breaking
How many beers are recommended for this job ? Don't want to run short. cheers
I would say about four for this job.
Hey Stu, would you have any idea to why an flywheel bolt would loosen? I started my engine and it made lots of weird noises, then shut off. And I just removed the recoil starter, and the flywheel bolt is aal the way at the top
Put your vise-arm through the strips before you grip the spring• thanks!
Dangar Marine Hey, I think the spring at 27:30, should be on the other side.
You may well be right. I was really rushing to get out of the work shop towards the end - never good when making a video!
Hi. the next great movie! thanks to you and these movies I've done a lot of times. Now I have the same problem to make as in this movie but with a yamaha 4 hp 2T engine, do you have any material?
Unfortunately I don't have a vid on that exact outboard but the process should be pretty similar.
Hey Stu, like your vid's, just subscribed... Also about "the slightly tricky bit" at 17:32, I thought if you put the tyrips on your wrist/arm (in the lose state, like a bracelet) before you start winding it, you don't need to swap hands.. Might make it a little bit easier m8... :-) Greets from the Netherlands...
Hey Nicolas, that's good thinking. Well done and thanks for sharing. :)
awesome chanel stu need to post more vids im addicted also can u put a link for wills classic outboards channel
Thanks mate, glad you are enjoying the channel. Will's channel is ruclips.net/user/classicoutboards
Great video mate, just quickly where do you buy this replacement cord? I’m based in Sydney...
Hello, thanks for all help and learning from your videos. I have a 1985 30hp Evinrude rope start. I wonder if the start would be easier, because it requires a lot of energy from my arm to crank it. Is there any tip to make this starting process easier? Is there any grease point to crankshaft or maybe it can ne already corroded at the point of no return and friction has played against my efforts?
I mean, I am 6'2" and consider my self a very strong guy, my other friends can't even crank the hole rope and I am the only one to wake it up and running. Once again thanks for all help from you channel, hope to see more of Dangar Marine and wish of better days.
Usually it is the cylinder compression that makes pull starting hard so unfortunately there isn't much you can do.