San Cristobal Model 2: A Lever-Delayed .30 Carbine
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The San Cristobal armory was a surprisingly large-scale arms manufacturer set up in the Dominican Republic in the late 40s. They produced several different weapons, but the most common was the Model 2 Cristobal carbine. Designed by Pál Király, it was a lever-delayed blowback mechanism chambered for the US .30 carbine cartridge (7.62x33mm).
Tens of thousands were produced (exact numbers are unclear), and they were a popular weapon in central and south America. Unlike the US M1 Carbine, the Cristobal used a magazine mounted at slightly less than 90 degrees to the barrel. Most of the carbines produced were select-fire, with a front trigger for semiauto fire and a rear trigger for fullauto. A semiauto only variant with a single trigger was apparently also produced. All types are quite uncommon today.
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Living in the Dominican Republic, I've seen plenty of these still around :) thanks, Ian!
For real? Where?😂
It's seems like quite an impressive firearm.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Israeli police still use the M1 Carbine for exactly that reason.
How much?
@Onward Turtle technically yes, expensive and hard tho
i dont think you could buy this specific type of weapon
I was recently in the DR and the toll road police I saw were generally carrying M1 Carbines or pump shotguns. Other federal police were carrying folder AKs. I have to imagine there are crates of these in warehouses somewhere on the island. Dominicans never throw anything away and either save or make use of everything.
often to a fault xd
Yeah, I have to wonder if there are a lot in surplus. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if these make up a significant the small arms reserve even today. With the new gov't maybe they'll reorganize this. I'm sure these would be popular in surplus in the U.S.
I’d buy one.
Imagine the surplus, oooooh boy
@@quentintin1 that's a good point, I doubt anyone is going to go through the effort of making them semi-auto.
M1 carbine users: What do we want!? RENFORCED FEED LIPS!!!! When do we want them!?
60 YEARS AGO!!!!
More like 80 years ago, now.
@@Brawler_1337 no shit or something other than Korean reproduction mags
Some ruggedized 30rd stick mags for the M1 Carbine would be a cool thing to have. Maybe a tougher metal or polymer? (Faux-bakelite?)
Funny. The magazines in the Moroccan bereta select fire .30 carbine also had “better” magazines according to Ian.
zoiders No. i think its funny that other countries figured it out so long ago.
I put “better” in quotations because thats the only word I could remember that Ian said in the other video.
Ian: "This piece likes to fall out".
Salesman, "Look, it's got a super easy field strip procedure! It's not a bug, its a feature!"
**shot show floor man** you mean
@@blackwoodsecurity531 LMAO, Good point! Merry Christmas
And when selling the same design to a manufacturer: "look, built-in replacement parts market!"
Todd?
Oh, Kiraly, his SMG was pretty awesome!
This carbine is awesome as well.
@Jack Levesque
The lever delay system turns this into an entirely different class of gun. Open bolt guns come into their own in sustained automatic fire where their immense difference in cooling and higher safe operating temperature give it a leg up on closed built designs. The lever delay mechanism also allows for safer and cleaner use of crap ammo as it does not come in contract with any of the burning gases. This would have been a better design for wwii and for countries with terrible ammunition manufacture.
@@CtrlAltRetreat
If the designer had thought to invert feeding and ejection, configured this with bottom eject/top feed like the Owen? Or at least given it a snap shut/automatically opening ejection port cover like many other open bolt SMGs? Or BOTH?! It could have been a contender.
@@Bert2368
Top feed means mag blocking your line of sight as on the owen. It might make it more reliable but with a mag like that, it looks like it should have been fine. I do agree with not getting showered by brass in the face as a right hander though. Ian's struggles with many designs as a lefty makes me think that a right eject is pretty dang important. Auto dust cover would have been nice, but would have been unexpectedly so, even our m3s didn't have them.
@@Bert2368 I'd have thought a side feed with a big box mag, possibly a belt or a drum. This thing was designed as an actual proper SMG, a larger magazine and a bit more weight may have been a good idea. Can see this thing having major recoil issues, looks too light for full auto with such a large round (by smg standards).
Merry Christmas Gun Jesus
Or taken to its natural extension.... Happy birthday Gun Jesus
Amen!
Please Tell me you think D2 has been an affront to the memory of D1 since the beginning as well
This Christmas is amazing for trump Supporters 🤣
Ian's real birthday is July 31st, by the way. I propose it now be known as the International Day of Forgotten Weapons.
Dominican republic:man we should do some kool weapons
Random Hungarian guy: allow me to introduce myself
"How did you even get here, anyway?"
"I...don't know. But look at these blueprints!"
Ah, so this is what my factories are producing whenever i do weapon exports in Tropico.
I had a chance to fire one of these at a Banzai Shoot at Bobby Blevins farm in Alabama several years ago. I shot an M 2 Carbine then the San Cristobal. I agreed with the consensus of the Men there that the San Cristobal was the more controllable and accurate of the 2 in full auto. and the M 2 Carbine was lighter, handier and felt better when shouldered and easier to get hits with on Semi auto. I felt it as a great gift to get to shoot 25 shots, 3 or 4 Semi the rest on auto.s from such a rare gun,
You are indeed fortunate! I would really love to see someone doing what you got to do, on RUclips, i.e. a comparison between the M2 and the San Cristobal. I expect the results will be what you also found: the heavier San Cristobal with its lower rate of fire will be better on full auto while the M2, firing from a closed bolt, will be better on semi-auto. The M2 is actually a little rifle while the San Cristobal is a big SMG.
Kiraly's "keep selling the same gun" approach reminds me a little of Wilhelm Bubits, who worked at Glock in the '90s and has since made something of a career of traveling around the industry developing pistols that are very like Glocks for companies that want to compete with Glock. :)
And lo said gun Jesus unto his followers, “Rare is the man who designs lever delayed blowback guns.”
And he did sing the praises of these humble men, that their designs may be appreciated.
Aaaaameeeen
Book of Delay. Chapter 4, Verse 1 ....And Gun Jesus proclaimed. Verily, I say unto you, the length of the sacred lever shall cause the flock of 30 to tarry in their mission. But in their delay, they will find ultimate success.
You're one of the reasons RUclips comments are garbage.
Shame that there is probably no chance of them letting you fire this and us getting a comparison with the Beretta and M1. Still a treat to see this gun.
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to Ian and everyone else who follows this channel.
Best wishes right back at ya
Royal Armouries has some really interesting firearms in their collection, goodness. Great video Ian!
Not that surprising when you consider that Britain has had 'dealings' of a military nature with very nearly every other nation on earth
They also have the only complete suit of armour for an Elephant
According to Wikipedia, it's history goes back to 1423. It contains a copy of every gun made & tested in the U.K. by law & plenty of other stuff.
The Patten Room was in Nottingham before moving to Leeds. It was moved there during the W.W.2 from The Tower of London. It was in the Royal Ordnance factory. When this was closed by B.A.E Systems in the 90s it was moved there the local T.V. news covered it at the time. It's on RUclips somewhere.
Very interesting gun! A later version of the gun, called the San Cristobal Model 1962, was more sub machine-gun like, with a shorter barrel (12"), perforated, tubular barrel sleeve and a folding stock. The interesting thing about this gun, especially the later version, is that some people feel that the M1 carbine cartridge is actually an overgrown pistol cartridge rather than an anaemic rifle cartridge, and that a SMG type weapon, such as the Cristobal, is actually more suited to the cartridge than the M1 carbine, which was trying to be an assault rifle. What would be really, really interesting is if Ian could get his hands on one of these to fire it, and to compare it to the M1 and the M2 carbines.
The M1 Carbine wasn't "trying to be an assault rifle", it was trying (and succeeded) to be a handy, lightweight, personal defense weapon for mechanized troops, artillerymen, and rear line troops, replacing their pistols.
@@Howjadoo22 it’s technically an intermediate cartridge, so “assault rifle” is a shoe that fits based on how you look at it. Along side with a bundle of American hunters saying it’s an anemic rifle cartridge
@@Howjadoo22 That was indeed what it was designed to do but it was widely employed as an assault rifle during WW2, the Korean war and the early stages of the war in Viet Nam. Thousands of first line combat troops (paratroopers, Marines, etc.) were armed with the M1 carbine. The M2 version was developed because these troops wanted full-auto capability, not because artillerymen and rear line troops required full auto PDWs. It should also be noted that, despite the relatively low-powered cartridge, the M1/M2 carbines were very successful in the assault rifle role.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine That is really why I placed my comment. The M1 and M2 carbines were employed as assault rifles during WW2 and they were undeniably successful in this role. The power of the cartridge is, as you suggest, marginal for this role. A SMG built around the M1 cartridge might even have been a better weapon. I am thinking of a gun like the M3 grease gun but with the retarded blow-back mechanism of the Cristobal, a 12 inch barrel and the rate of fire reduced to 400-450 rpm, for instance. The M2 carbine was OK but the rate of fire was excessive, imo. Combined with the poorly designed stock, this resulted in poor controllability.
A-haaa, Heck Yeah! He is doing a gun 🔫 from my country 🇩🇴 of origin! I'm so happy! 😊 Thank you 🤗 Mucha Gracias Amigo 🤝
.30 Carbine is always interesting
Pity it's not really used much anymore. Great round.
At 110 grains at 1970 FPS, it beats the heck out of 9mm’s 115 grains at 1150 FPS
Mi suegro, era soldado de infantería cuando los guerrilleros llegaron a Constanza, en 1959. Tenía 17 años cuando le tocó luchar. El tenía un Rifle FAL y sus compañeros usaban Rifles Cristóbal. De 140 hombres que subieron ese día a la montaña, después de un mes y 11 días de pelea, solo bajaron 39. Muchachos sin experiencia absoluta, pelearon desde terreno bajo. Aviones Mustang P51 les dieron apoyo, pero también mataron muchos aliados. Habían muchos más soldados en la montaña, eran muchos más. Mi suegro Peleo en 1959 en contra de los guerrilleros y más tarde, en 1965 peleó contra sus compañeros, los militares que dieron el golpe de estado al presidente Bosch .... después peleó en contra de los Norteamericanos que los invadieron meses más tarde.
Después de la guerra, se dedicó a trabajar como jefe de mecánicos de la universidad estatal UASD.
Ese rifle se calentaba mucho, no era muy bueno....eso me dijo él cuando le mostré el video.
Hello Pedro, I ran your comment through google translate so that I could read it, and since it's such an interesting comment, I hope you don't mind if I just go ahead and post the text of the english translation so that all the other monolingual forgotten weapons fans can enjoy it-
My father-in-law was an infantry soldier when the guerrillas arrived in Constanza in 1959. He was 17 years old when he had to fight. He had a FAL Rifle and his companions used Cristóbal Rifles. Of 140 men who climbed the mountain that day, after a month and 11 days of fighting, only 39 came down. Boys without absolute experience, they fought from low ground. Mustang P51 planes gave them support, but they also killed many allies. There were many more soldiers on the mountain, there were many more. My father-in-law fought in 1959 against the guerrillas and later, in 1965 he fought against his comrades, the military that gave the coup to President Bosch ... then he fought against the Americans who invaded them months later.
After the war, he devoted himself to work as chief mechanic at UASD state university.
That rifle got really hot, it wasn't very good ... that's what he told me when I showed him the video.
Oh wow, a first hand account? That is something you won't see everyday!
Ну шикарно же. Отзыв от реального солдата
Probablemente fue a causa por la bala que disparaba la arma
Bueno saber tu relato
When a beretta 38 and a m1 carbine enter a room
Don't forget the romantic music.
Nine months later..........
As another left handed person, this warms my heart! Great camera work by the way!
Thank you so much for review and expertise on weapons. I have been trying to find such detail information to augment the stories I was told growing up.
The San Cristobal was not only used by Castro’s guerrillas. It was mostly issued to NCO’s in the Cuban military (Cascos de Batista) or Batistas helmets as they were referred to. I have a picture of my brother in Cayo Mambi, Cuba c1958. He was carrying a1903 Springfield and his NCO, Corporal Martinez was carrying a San Cristobal. They fought fierce battles against Castro’s forces. I will share with you if you wish.
Respectfully,
Marty
USMC
As someone who lives in Dominican republic, I didn't know this gun existed, I always thought we just buy them from another country (mainly from USA as far as I understand)
It would be interesting to see what things we could come up with
it fascinated me to find out that a small country had their own small arms program
During Trujillo's time he significantly expanded the military, including the air force and navy. Lots of WWII surplus aircraft, as well as Vampire jets. After his assassination most of it wasn't kept.
This is reasonable since the only reason Trujillo really focused on the military was one, his worry of overthrow (reasonable since he was terrible and everyone hated him) and two his own ego. Once he was gone nobody wanted to keep much of it. I think the arms industry would have been better kept, so the DR wouldn't have to rely so much on things like tourism.
Also, San Cristobal was Trujillo's own home province, so putting the arms maker there meant jobs for the home town folks in an industry that emphasized his strongman power -- and of course, like every other industry during his regime, a share of profit both official AND nonofficial for his family and close associates.
I always love to see these unique firearms and hear the history. I also would strongly prefer Beretta 57, but still cool. Merry Christmas, Gun Jesus!
Merry Christmas and a Happy,Healthy New Year.
Well said Mark! Merry Christmas to you as well.
Just FYI, calling Trujillo's DR "conservative" is an understatement and may confuse many people not familiar with Latin American history. Love your videos as always.
Oh, so that's it. Couldn't wrap my head around how they got to latin america
From Hungary, under the stalinist Rákosi regime every country in the western hemisphere looked conservative...
He was a dictator, and died in may of 1960
@@gaborthepenguin40 Consevative is an understatement. Understatement means using a casual and moderate term (almost an euphemism) to describe something much more extreme and significant. To call Trujillo's DR "Conservative" is akin to calling Soviet Europe "Social Democrat". Trujillo's DR was an authoritarian oppressive extreme right wing dictatorship that tortured, murdered and disappeared people. Trujillo was one of the most brutal Latin American dictators in history.
Here is a Wikipedia excerpt:
"His 31 years in power, to Dominicans known as the Trujillo Era (Spanish: El Trujillato), are considered one of the bloodiest eras ever in the Americas, as well as a time of a personality cult, when monuments to Trujillo were in abundance. Trujillo and his regime were responsible for many deaths, including between 5,000 and 67,000 Haitians in the infamous Parsley massacre."
@@alejandroochoa559 5000 to 67000? How the hell do you get that kind of spread?! Very strange.
I also love how much these videos give historical content, like knowing that Dominican Republic actually had hungarian and italian refugees after WWII
And Japanese too, Hungarian and Japanese communities exist in Constanza. I can not attest for the Hungarian one but the Japanese one is definitely still there.
lots of european refugees were accepted by trujillo because he wanted to "whiten" the population
it had a whole community of Japanese people too who migrated there while fleeing from the war.
@@donfrancisco2988 I don't know if that was why.. LOL 😅 but who knows.
@@donfrancisco2988 I do heard and got to know that he sent two small naval ships to world War II to collaborate with the allies against fight Hitler.
when you combine a Berreta 38 SMG and M1 Carbine but in a good way.
@Jack Levesque if it's old and works, it's not stupid.
This is what, the third or fourth major firearm using this specific lever delay system?
So wine and romantic music not roofies. Gotcha.
The E.N. after "Armeria" stood for "Ejercito Nacional" or National Army. Known to rise significantly using rear trigger in auto mode requiring low aim to try and get on target. Widely used during its time. That spring was something else!
I am pleased to see that our feedback from the Danuvia SMG video was headed. The designer's name is indeed pronounced Kir-ayy, and not Ki-ra-lee-y.
San Cristóbal made also very interesting hand guns in the DR🇩🇴. The Enriquillo 38 caliber revolver ( Named after a native Taino Cacique warrior ) was crafted to be the secret service (SIN) sidearm. The SIN was a Gestapo like ruled by the Trujillo’s henchman the infamous Johny Abbés, a Half German man who’s father was a German manager at European sugar cane plantations in the DR. The SC Carbine was the favourite gun of guerrilla’s leader Ernesto “Che”Guevara, and the one he carried until his death.
3:01, the EN is actually just the world “in” in spanish. The markings translated means “Armory in San Cristobal, Dominican Republic.”
With full-stops ('periods' in the US) after the 'E' and the 'N' (i.e., 'E.N.') it would suggest an abbreviation, rather than a word in its own right. I'm with Gun Jesus on this one...
@@jam67uk I think those aren’t periods in the markings. Compare them to the ones in the R.D. part. They don’t look nearly as pronounced...
@@edm240b9
So?
That's a very good observation, it's just that the spacing between E and N is much wider than with the lettering in the other words and does seem to accommodate the space needed for the periods. It does look the same as the abbreviation for R.D..
@@edm240b9 Just slightly lighter stamping really, but they ARE definitely there (without even considering the spacing as Jared Bruce points out as well) - also, if you look at the R.D. part you refer to, you can see that the point after the 'D' is slightly larger & more heavily indented than the one after the 'R', so some variation is already in evidence.
So, as far as i can see, definitely dots (full-stops/periods) & therefore definitely an abbreviation for something rather a Spanish 'in'.
Merry Christmas, Gun Jesus. May your stocking be filled with obscure and valuable Firearms.🇭🇲
For Gun Jesus if the gun is obscure enough the value is implied 😊
It’s also his birthday
@@enema6222 Uhhh actually no. Jesus was born in the Summer. Christmas is merely a repackaged Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice.
@@Goatboysminion Are we sure he didn't mean it's Ian's birthday?
@@Goatboysminion wait... so the toddler in between the farm animals is just a homeless unit pumped out and renegaded ?
I have waited too long for this video. Thank you Ian. :)
Oh how long have i waited this gun for you to make a video abaut! The Kiraly M43 was an instant love as well!
I would love to see how theese guns shoot!
Finally! Been waiting for one of these to pop up on the channel for years. Merry Christmas Ian.
I've been looking for info on this gun it's a Christmas miracle .
Fantastic explanation on how lever-delayed blowback works as a mechanism, Ian.
Very interesting but forgotten firearm. Thanks for shedding some light on it!
Interesting design choices, none of the parts look particularly hard to machine, everything is nice and chunky, ideal for manufacturing in a developing country.
This is essentially the final evolution of the hungarian heavy sub machinegun concept, now probably deserving of the title of assault rifle.
Considering the designs origins were tested in ww2, Its unsuprising its somewhat simpler to manifacture than the designers pre war guns.
they also made m1 garand copies the same factory so they could make such complex guns
Yes, much easier to manufacture than an M-1 Carbine
The simplicity of level delay is really tantalizing. I think Ian said on either a famas video or the relevant "how guns work" video that lever delays tend to be picky about their ammo. That's the only reason I can think of that they're not more widespread.
@@andrewfleenor7459 picky as in you need to hot load for them. Which means they are perfectly fine for a military application.
Good morning all of you forgotten weapons subscribers.
But NOT to the Doug DeMuro subscribers.
@Jack Levesque Some derp who thinks wearing 2 t-shirts at the same time is a quirky interesting feature.
Good afternoon to you, commander Rich...
Good afternoon
I've known about these for years and always hoped you would get your hands on one up until last year I didn't know that Kirali was involved with the design so I had always wondered how they managed to get a blowback 30 carbine to work
It's always nice to see a new gun in .30 Carbine.
Hey Ian, big fan of your channel, keep up the amazing work.
I lived a very long time in the Dominican Republic, I don't know if the info is accurate or not (it is according to a book I use to own called Infantry Weapons of the World), but the origin of this gun in the DR is told as a deal that was made with Beretta, where some engineers were loaned for the development of this weapon. As interesting trivia, the gun is colloquially known as "Cuerno de Chivo" or "Goat's Horn" due to some of the magazines used being curved. It is also renowned on the island for it's unreliability, and a design flaw which often enough caused the rifle to fire when dropped or if it suffered a strike or shock; this being an automatic weapon, it gained a reputation for being quite dangerous for the user.
Always love it when you find these interesting variations
Hey, if you actually have enough ammo, then having everyone armed with 30cal carbine is better than everyone being armed with 45ACP or 9x19. For a tiny island nation the ability to hand one of these to every man, woman, and child in the event of an invasion (with enough ammo) wouldn't be the worst case scenario for general armament.
LOoks like that whole bolt assembly has been given a spring temper. or is it just me?
It is always a good day when the lever delays come out.
Criminy, you weren't lyin about that recoil spring! Friggin big chungus.
Aaron Lucas that got a wheeze outta me
Christmas came early for me!
I've been waiting for this video for a very long time.
Merry Christmas Ian. Thanks for keeping us entertained this year. I believe I speak for most of us when I say we appreciate you and the effort you make for us. Keep doing what you are doing.
Merry Christmas and thanks for all the information on the many, many guns.
I have been waiting to see this video for years thank you
Very cool rifle.
I never knew the Dominican Republic had firearms.
The designer used what he knew. Instead of inventing a new weapon he simply scaled up something that he already knew that worked. That probably simplified the design process and let them get into production faster.
Very cool video, thanks a lot!
This gun was probably the source of inspiration for Baryshev. I see the same open-bolt operation, the lever-delayed system is probably around the similar way used in AVB-s, although I have never seen them IRL.
This has always been on my bucket list to shoot
Been waiting for Ian to take apart a San Cristóbal for long time!
14:24 "The .30 carbine cartridge was around". I dare to say it was also a round.
I'm not even sorry, i had to. :D
Was it a round round that was around
"Hey... that looks like a kiraly 43m. ...Oh."
Hi guys hope you have a great holiday!
Right back at you and I second your motion to wish Forgotten Weapons and viewers a great holiday.
Smacks of 39M at a glance, lo and behold an engineer from the same project. Great provenance and back story, great work as even Ian.
I find these simple designs really cool. I really like my AR for a similar reason.
Finally a video on Che’s carbine!
Great video Ian!
lets remember, South America tends to fall in line with North American military doctrine. I do dare say .30 carbine is a round indigenous to the Americas. Thank you for the content Mr. Ian , spot on as usual. The D.R. and The U.S. has quiet a bit of an interesting history.
If I'm not mistaken the Sterling 7.62mm prototype also made use of an interesting lever-delayed blowback system. Of course, that hardly counts as a mass-production firearm.
Great video, as always.
The Italian FNAB-43 smg was lever delayed too (here the bolt www.traxarm.it/area/prod/img002727A.jpg ) but only 7000 had been made (during WWII).
A way to both make your country a fairly capable gun and well as bolster its manufacturing in the post war economy.
Good for lining Trujillo's pockets.
Came for the history and the story ... stayed for the history and the story!! ;-)
Thank you...
A video of Ian shooting this for Xmas would be a fantastic present for us all 😎
Hy! I love to hear about a new "hungarain" desien. We are such a never mentioned nation in the history. Love your show!! Keep up this good work!
I really was interested in this gun, and was hoping that maybe someday it would be featured here. What a pleasant surprise!
Carbines suit Ian very well.
Merry Christmas!
I really hope your not in England atm. They might not let you leave. You'd be a refugee😂Great video as always. Happy Christmas/Holidays to everyone and a Happy New Year.ThankQ.TkEZ>UK
Looking forward to the range day video drop.
Merry Christmas Mr. Ian! Hope you n yours are doin well sir
Ian, you live now in what was part of Virreinato de Nueva España. Say "San CristObal" is easy, thanks to a simple rule: if the word is not ended in vowel, n or s and the word is not accentuated, then the stressed vowel is the one before the last.
Besides that, thanks for the video! I really appreciate a deep explanation of San CristObal implementation of Kiraly system
Like the clean look.
Same
It's based off the italian M38/42, of course it's pretty.
Though the M1938 is much prettier, that compensator is amazing.
That’s a nice gun
Having learned to shoot and having spent many years shooting a bolt action rifle having a charging handle on the right makes perfect sense. I want to handle the magazine with my dominate hand as well.
Crazy they could time this stuff like that by hand so to speak
That bolt needs cleaning. I saw some sailors on guard with what looked like these in Buenaventura maybe half a century ago. Now that I know more I want 3 of them. :)
It looks like someone tried to draw an M1 Carbine from memory but they were thinking about the Suomi a lot of the time
A fine example of Albonion export minus the barrel shroud.
Awesome content would like to see more south American production weapons.
Dios mios what a pleasure I am a Dominican myself and a big fan of this channel.
Hungarian guy does 50/50 with San Christobal... I like that
Best channel on youtube
yknow one time when i was like 11 i thought up a lever delayed smg in .50 AE with a "trench grip"(pistol grip sloped forwards to be easier to fire over a trench parapet) and thumb trigger. looking at this, i kinda wanna revisit the idea at least in drawing
Thats my grandfathers gun!!
Imagine having his name carved in it
Damn. That is cool as hell. I want one.
The Király géppisztoly (Kiraly SMG) prodused by Danuvia not by FÉG. That is two different companies.
I always wanted to get my hands on a semi auto version of these. But for plenty of reasons I knew I'd never be able to. Also wanted to find a Chapina Carbine. Essentially a bolt action .30 Carbine rifle... woulda been fun.
thanks very good rewiew . i like weapon in cal .30 carbine.
As I was watching the video I was thinking "I recognized that front sight". It is nearly identical to the one on my TS-45 air rifle.
Looking at the thumbnail i was instantly like what a weird little Király it is haha
One thing Ive always wondered. Why does Ian wear white/plastic gloves when handling very old weapons? Is it just ot help preserve them or is there another reason? Also the video is amazing.
It prevents getting sweat or fingerprints on the guns and damaging the finish. When i visit a friend with a collection he hands me gloves to wear when handling old guns.
Some of the people curating the collections he uses for the videos request/require the gloves.
Your hands will leave oils and sweat behind. The oils will degrade wood and some plastics while sweat has salt and it degrades the metal. Since some of the weapons Ian presents will be stored for long periods, any potential corrosion could be significant by the time they are taken out again.
Look at how much grime is on the gloves, that gun clearly has a lot of preservative oil on it. Not uncommon for museum pieces.
@@BatCaveOz He's also mentioned that one of the big auction houses (Rock Island I think) shares his view that they don't want him to wear gloves because they don't want him to drop the merchandise.
The Schwartslose macine gun is also a lever delayed gun i belive. It uses a toggle to actuate the lever instead of a ledge buy still. And that being the main machinegun of the austro-hungarian army might explain how a hungarian came upp with a simpler lever delayed system.
Nicely explained
15:50. Wandering afield gives us good info. I had just started wondering why the U.S. didn't follow this path when they wanted a select fire M1 Carbine but found it impractical. Why not switch to the Beretta style design? This San Cristobal Model 2 is tending toward a Grease Gun simplicity (and cost). Oh, open bolt vs closed bolt disadvantages. Question answered.
ah yes, Cuba. The timeless black hole for cars, machinery and also guns apparently.
I like the design and lever delayed blowback system but I whole heartily agree, a closed bolt system would be a more effective way for that weapon system . Nevertheless still a great and interesting share.