Trainee climbing arborist after 1 year in the job
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2022
- This video captures Tom, a trainee climber, that has only been doing tree work for 1 year. On the 1 year anniversary Tom got to remove this medium sized red Maple tree. Thought the video you get to hear the constant communication between Tom and Dan who is providing tips, asking questions and giving feedback.
This film is great for any new climbers to watch, listen and learn from. It also highlights the benefit of watching film of yourself climb as a training tool.
You can use this video as an example of what is easily achievable within a year, and also to help new climbers to understand the approach and process of this type of job, as well as how to be efficient.
Tom sums up his climb at the end of the video and gives his thoughts on what could have been improved upon.
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00:00:36 Tom's intro and job planning
00:02:37 Tom begins the removal
00:10:59 Lunchtime assessment of the job
00:12:45 Tom starts back after lunch
00:20:15 Tom's analysis of how the job went
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I am currently going through an arb course in Australia (3 yrs experience tho) and I have serious doubts about future tree climbers and our chance of lowering statistics in the industry because the course is way too basic and rushed for the technicality of the work we do. To give you an idea, 2 participants in an aerial rescue assessment couldn't tie a prussic of any sort. This video...is f**king beautiful to see, this is what changes the industry: feedback, discussion and retrying until it's smooth. Well done 💪
He is willing to work! That's most of the battle these days.
I certainly agree with that comment.
Great video mate! I’ve been climbing a few months found this very informative and useful, wish I had a mentor like this 👍🏼 keep up the good work lads, stay safe
Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video
You guys just have such a great attitude.
Cheers bob 👍
Great video lads, I enjoyed this one!
I'm climbing about a year myself and it was great to see and use this as a benchmark. I agree completely with the always asking / double checking with more experienced climbers and 9/10 times I'm only verifying also what I know. Best of luck going forward Tom!
Thanks, Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
That's nice to see the learning process with a relatively newbie. I took up arborist work on my farm. Not only have I had to remove dead trees but I've had to cut from the top to the bottom so I'm left with a manageable stem. That way I can bring down a stem in between 2 fencelines. Fencing isn't hard unless u have damage to a fence from a tree. The things I try to do is always have 2 climbing lines in a tree or have 1 in a tree with a secondary line in a nearby tree. B4 I cut I'm tied into both lines with my adjustable lanyard I made. On that lanyard I have a floater which I call a choker. Allows me to get into perfect position. B4 the saw gets started I feel like I've done my due diligence by measuring 5 times, cutting once. There r no take backs & spending 5 minutes could save u hours as well as a potential catastrophe that could have been avoided.
I’ve been climbing for about 9 months, and found this informative as a comparison. I also ask a lot of questions of verification; but I also see I have a greater weakness of thinking through with a “game plan”, and just end up approaching everything as I encounter it. Efficiency certainly needs much work.
Your SENA devices are SO HELPFUL I can see. My boss doesn’t want to spend the money; and no one wants to throw in $250 of their own. 😕
This is sooooo good. Just for the guy to watch back over. Even hearing the conversations. So handy. Super valuable.. I gotta get the lads to this with me. Very handy. Love your content 👌
Thanks dude, this is exactly why we wanted to film and document this, and with all the general worksite chatter so that viewers can levels of other people learning and how they approach they work. Glad you enjoyed it
@@ClimbingArborist also what I liked was the back and forth strategy. I'm the exact same 1 year experience as an Arborist sooo seeing how he goes about it and then what you guys think and advice etc on the strategy to cutting etc.. Is top notch. Love this line of work.. Having mentors who ask you why did so so is all good.. But an open discussion with how guys did I value.
Crackin vid, as a new climber working without a more experienced arborist this is a perfect insight and properly helpful, cheers
Cheers for the comment, I’m glad this is helpful for you 👍
Well done Tom lad. A really good insight to climber and apprentice interaction, very nice to see.
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Great training,and good job doing that tree, everything in life can be improved,just keep focused and it will all work out, thanks for the videos,and safe working tips
Congrats! I wish all the team leaders had the same attitude towards helping workmates to improve from their experience doing such a retrospective after the job is done.
This is more valuable than a good salary in situations like this. Well done, I enjoyed :)
I've been tree climbing for a few years and never stop learning.
Hey Dan! It's Mack, I use to work for George Amos, your content and business has grown so much is the past years! Keep up with the exceptional videos you have a solid crew with an awesome dynamic! It's so cool to see them progress!
Hey Mack, Nice to hear from you and see that you watch the videos. It's certainly great to see the progression from zero to 1 year, very similar to you working for George. What you up to these days?
Great video, I´m about to head into the craft in just a couple of months and it´s great seeing someone farely new at it climb, it´s interesting to see the progress - thought process of a beginner v professional. have a good day and stay safe!
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast. Another great video
Great job and great video. Great learning tool for everyone.
Thanks
Well done tom great video and top job ive been climbing sicne February last year and I’m at the very same stage as you,still learning however improving all the time im really encouraged after watching this 👍
Glad you can take things from this video
love this! Just started tree work and only a month in, so this is very helpful seeing what can be achieved in just a year! Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos!! (Also I love listening to y'alls voices, the accents are great! 😄 )
Thanks for the comment Erin, we are so glad you enjoyed the video and can take some things from it that are helpful 😄
Where do you work Erin? I just started last summer here in Utah. I enjoy hearing the accents as well. I used to live in NZ and had many Pommy friends. I work for a small company, it's just my boss and I. And he has been coaching me through some trees for both pruning and removal. It's one of the best jobs I've ever had.
@@steelonius Im currently in east Tennessee area! Thats so cool!! Whereabouts in NZ did you live? I did a bit of traveling/WOOFing in the north and south island after working on a ship in Australia for a bit. I'm so happy you are loving your job in Utah! I did a summer internship with Bartlett during college and knew one day I would eventually come back to working with trees! It is the best :)
Good job and great video! Learned a lot from just watching.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Great attitude by the way slow and methodical is absolutely perfect for where u are now there's absolutely no rush just keep going as u are and you'll find more efficient ways that'll be easier on you and make u quicker by itself so the speed will come in time and you'll look back and think that would of taken me ages last year 👍 your keen and conscious of what your doing which is perfect mate love it
Thanks 👍
Good to watch someone new to the game like myself. Nice one lads 👍
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it 🤙
Brilliant vid, very interesting. Well done Tom.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video! Just keep calm, make a plan and work step by step and piece by piece!
3 small cuts that get you closer to the goal are better than 1 big one that you’ll regret.
Awesome video and awesome progression, keep up the good work Tom! 🤘🏻🍻🇦🇺
If I was dismantling that tree I’d have my spikes on from the start… Much easier to navigate the tree and get into fast, comfortable work positions.
For a lot of climbers, removal = spurs, but we like to assess each tree and if it’s a canopy that needs to be climbed around, has skinny limbs/branches etc, and having a high tie in point is needed for the job, then why use spurs? It is easy (possibly easier) to move around a canopy without spurs, especially on skinny stems and limbs. It also improves climbing ability to not rely on spurs. This is obviously person preference, and personal opinion, others might find the exact opposite.
This is great. 💪🏽💪🏽 good job bro 💙
Thanks
Thank you for this great video.
Thank, Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Good job guys. Great video too.
Thanks
Love this video. 2 pieces of conservative criticism.
1 don’t be afraid to rig or lower pieces out, even though it seems easy to do so at the time you’d be better off in the long run particularly when it comes to being easier on your body. ( give the ground guys something to do plus’s your back will thank you for it)
2 put your spikes / spurs on from the outset it will give you better ergonomics particularly when you come to do a less crowded tree. Other than that a nice safe climb and you be pointed out your improvements and seeked advice where you needed it.
Hi Pete, thanks for your comment.
As a response to comment #2;
For a lot of climbers, removal = spurs, but we like to assess each tree and if it’s a canopy that needs to be climbed around, has skinny limbs/branches etc, and having a high tie in point is needed for the job, then why use spurs? It is easy (possibly easier) to move around a canopy without spurs, especially on skinny stems and limbs. It also improves climbing ability to not rely on spurs. This is obviously person preference, and personal opinion, others might find the exact opposite.
I'm with Pete but like you said all personal preference iv climbed 12 years now and I know personally I wish I'd rigged alot more from the offset my shoulders and elbows aren't happy haha and with the spikes I just auto put them on for any takedown gives u extra options in the tree especially as u get up bigger and bigger trees getting out on some big timber in the wet mossy tree spikes are essential for me anyway. Lovely video chaps we need alot more people like you guys getting into it and enjoying it 👍 hard to find these days
Amazing!
for the guy learning..... always remember there are several way to approach/get the same things done. I see no roping there. Faster if you cut larger limbs and rope it down. faster, easier on the climber.
Nice job! My only input would be use the smallest chain saw that will efficiently cut what you are working on . Personally in my 40th year of climbing I would have done most of those stems with a ms200 down to about 15 -20feet then grabbed a bigger saw.
Well done Tom. Good video👌
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That's a great video brother.. Tom will be an excellent climber.. 😁😁..
Thanks
Great video
Thanks
Love videos ..nice
Nice work. Safe and smooth. Ahead of the curve for one year I’d say. Good movement in canopy for pruning later. Maybe a missed opportunity to go through some rigging of the two outer stems. Nice after action chat, seeing video of yourself let’s you see your faults and technique from a third person and no bias. Immensely helpful. I haven’t posted anything but I do try to video some of my work and I can see dumb things and missed things or asking myself “why did you do that?” It’s hugely helpful to learn and create good habits.
Great comment, thank you 🙏
Good video Thanks.
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Seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. Well spoken and coherent. Nice work to you both. Would have been an easy bucket tree in the states ;)
Thanks 👍
Thank you
You're welcome
Good Job!
Thanks
Great video. I would be flailing around to if I wasn't wearing spurs on a removal. I remember when I first started I would forgo the spurs because I wasn't comfortable on them. But once I gained my confidence standing on spikes it was game on. Only pole gaffes as well. The tree gaffes don't get on well with me.
Bravo 👍
Also on a skinny tree like that I'd be chucking out 4' sections as a posed to little 1' sections. But I wouldn't expect him to toss around 4' pieces. Your buddy Reg I'm sure could handle big chunks. Other then that he navigated though the canopy gracefully. He's got it down with the cut and pitch.👍
He did a great job
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Good video he looks like he has good talent to say he’s only 12 months in. I do think wearing spikes from the off helps a lot on a sectional dismantle and one other small point is line management for me this is crucial to how I work on a day to day if your entire line is between your legs and not up and down the tree you reduce the risk of catching the rope at all. Also try to introduce a saw pod Tom it elevates the problem of the silky scab moving about. Nice work all in all good work 👍🏻
Thanks for the comment Nic, he’s doing amazingly well. In response to the no spurs;
For a lot of climbers, removal = spurs, but we like to assess each tree and if it’s a canopy that needs to be climbed around, has skinny limbs/branches etc, and having a high tie in point is needed for the job, then why use spurs? It is easy (possibly easier) to move around a canopy without spurs, especially on skinny stems and limbs. It also improves climbing ability to not rely on spurs. This is obviously person preference, and personal opinion, others might find the exact opposite.
@@ClimbingArborist hi Dan thanks for the reply I fully agree we’re your coming from it will improve canopy skills a lot. Just like to say thanks for the videos while iv got you I started In the industry 3 and a half years ago after leaving the fire service and now run a team of 6 men and am a leading arborist and have learnt a lot from your videos and even made a knoot knee ascender which works brilliant so thanks for taking the time out to show people 👍🏻 can I ask what prompted the move to the states was it the trees ?
8 years in and i am about done hacking up trees. its monotonous, useless, and/or destructive work. Most tree guys Ive met in my area of the US are grandiose children. Tired of hanging over some suburban hellscape, I am rooting for the trees at this point.
I think the Husqvarna 550xp mk2 is the ultimate chunk out saw. Nice and light with alot of zip. For larger stuff upto 28" diameter I run the Husqvarna 562xp.
550xp
Great video, thanks again.
One thing I never/rarely see is climbers using their main line as a secondary safety with their lanyard, when chunking down a tree, in a 'lasso' fashion around the trunk: E.g. with a carabiner through an eye splice, thrown around the trunk then clipped back over the rope. So it's self tightening with load.
I do this all the time and it gives me a lot of security if my gaffs or lanyard slip, so I'm comfortable getting out further away from the trunk on my main lanyard - to give me heaps of space to use the chainsaw at an optimum position. It's also great if you need to exit the tree rapidly for whatever reason (as the main line is on an ascender/descender; I use an Akimbo mostly now, with a swivel).
Knowing I won't fall out of the tree, for very little extra time cost is worth it, so I do this almost every tree in chunking down.
Would love to hear others thoughts on this, especially the Climbing Arborist himself!
I do the same but choke with a running bowling, the carabiner in the eye as backup. I don't think you'll ever have cross loading issues, but you might...
On spar work you can choke off with running bowline then clip a carabiner from the spliced eye to just under your system to make a simple retrievable anchor point when moving down to the next section
I always see and study.
How many hours did you finish cutting this tree?
When you started with the chainsaw you could use a smaller one at the beginning. Personaly i allways start with the smallest chainsaw possible. And if you at the bigger part use your rope to switch to a bigger chainsaw
Certainly that would have been the way to go
I would have climbed up o my spurs to begin with and I would have set a rigging line to catch branches I feel it faster and easier on you but that’s just me and at the end of the day job got done so whatever works best for you
Tips on pricing? Like what would one charge for a maple like this? I've struggled to get people to pay more than 700 for something like this before...
Nice 👍👍. What battery powered saw is that?
540i XP
Nice. How are there leaves on the trees? Aren't we in the winter?
Not when we filmed it we weren’t. Editing took a while
Good job got done pretty safely if it was me spikes from the off strip bottom up then chog down till top handle bar isn't long enough then big saw for the last bits lean back more with the lanyard I find the perfect position is lean back and put your arms out straight and your palms should just be able to touch the stem
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Always grateful for your videos! Inspiring to see Tom... Also a bit sad tho, reflecting on my own experience... I've been at the trees for about 1.5 years and never had any boss of mine train me like this or give me advice in a kind manner for more than 5 minutes or any more often than a couple of times a months... Despite not training me, they demand I be faster and complain that by being slow I cost the company money. I just don't get why they think it's fair to demand new climbers to be fast and make proper cuts without taking the time to teach and train... Here in Germany there is no proper climber training, we are supposed to learn in a 4 day course after which you get your ticket. That's for climbing. To learn cutting/pruning techniques, there is practically no courses one can attend. there is maybe 2 or 3 in the whole country. Isn't that odd? After having changed companies three times and having the same experience over and over (unfair treatment, ridiculous expectations, no time devoted to training, disrespectful bosses and colleagues) I'm really starting to wonder if I should go to a different country....
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Hier in Japan ist es noch ein bisschen wilder, wenn du in normalen Firmen arbeitest. Früher hat man quasi ohne Sicherheitsequipment Baumpflege betrieben und auch heute ist es noch oft üblich 10m und höher mit einem Minimum an Sicherung zu beklettern. Dazu kommt noch wildes rigging und Zeitdruck, der künstlich erzeugt wird. Es gibt aber auch einige wenige Profis die ähnlich wie in den ganzen YT Vids hier arbeiten. Am Ende steht und fällt es halt damit was man bereit ist sich selbst anzueignen wenns einem keiner beibringt. Dachte immer, dass es auch wirklich speziallisierte Baumpflege Betriebe in Deutschland gibt... unfaire Bedingungen und Behandlung rührt ja meist von fehlenden Fachwissen der Chefs und Kollegen. Toi toi toi für die Zukunft
Why not chuck the spurrs on from the beginning? Thank you for the videos.
Spurs are often something many climbers grab knowing it’s a removal but before seeing the tree. You have to ask yourself In each case, is there an advantage of using spurs to strip off all the branches? If you can easily climb the tree as you usually would without spurs then why put them on. Tom comes down for lunch about midday and then climb back up wearing spurs
What system have you got set up for 2nd tie in point when on the Spurrs? I tried to pause at 20:06 but I can't quite make it out. Thanks.
MRS system through an adjustable friction saver for the main line, and then a regular lanyard setup.
for pruning trees you should not use spikes, damage on the bark...
Why not use spurs in the beggining?
Try to sheath your sword everytime after u make your cut.. u don't want to be fiddling around with a branch with the saw in your hand.. I noticed he threw a branch down with saw in his same hand.
I'm just an amateur so my comments can be taken with a grain of salt ... I would use my 201 for most of that tree and move up from the bottom taking out the lowers first using hinge cuts and hold and toss to drop zone . I'd be on spikes and a 2/1 lanyard .. I'm thinking that you got tired because of to much silky work first off to high up and struggling to free the cut branch from the canopy before throwing it... plus the use of that large heavy saw which becomes more dangerous because you were now already fatigued.. a good sharp chain on a 12 inch bar saves you time and effort and will cut 14in if need be ... You could have topped the crown and controlled lowered using a crotch as friction with rope dragged up behind you and use the other end of the same rope for the other stem if you had no grounds man.
I'm 61 years old and would have had that down in a couple of hours plus cleanup .. not being smart as I'm sure with the single climbing rope system rope you have, when mastered you would be able to swing around like a monkey and some do but I think some of the gear available now is unjustified and can over complicate a persons thinking .. Basic is often best I've learned
Safety, basics and common sense are the cornerstones and grow into bigger trees once you have mastered the small /medium .. Take care
Why don’t he have spurs on just curious looks like it would be easier to climb up and down. Good video
I wondered this myself. Maybe it was just a good opportunity to practice for trimming? He did put the spurs on after lunch when all that was left was the spar.
Because spurs are very uncomfortable.. and clumsy.. so if you have branches for foot holds, you don't need spurs.. but once you get to a single spar, then put the spurs on for chunking it down
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I love my spurs to much to be doing a spurless removal lol
Why wouldn’t you have your spurs on all the time? It would help with footing
I got my start with a guy who's an incredible arborist and a terrible person. The one thing he always hammered on was APPROACH. Well done guys, good plan.
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Don't get why you don't teach removals in spikes from the get go, create a path and set an anchor point then work from the bottom up, saw him fumbling branches cause they were tangling, I've been climbing a year and a half , practice in the weekends rec climbing makes a world of difference
Spikes would have made this job go alot faster. Why does he not have spikes on on a removal?
Well he put spikes on after all the brush was gone lol.
Why no spurs especially on a removal
For a lot of climbers, removal = spurs, but we like to assess each tree and if it’s a canopy that needs to be climbed around, has skinny limbs/branches etc, and having a high tie in point is needed for the job, then why use spurs? It is easy (possibly easier) to move around a canopy without spurs, especially on skinny stems and limbs. It also improves climbing ability to not rely on spurs. This is obviously personal preference, and personal opinion, others might find the exact opposite.
Is that the 550xp or the 562xp?
550xp
Looks like he needs to lean into the harness more allowing the rope to hold his body weight and let his legs balance him. Should use less energy and be more balanced in the canopy
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Where are you all from I live in scarborough too
Grew up pretty much opposite Dean's Garden Centre, how about you?
@@ClimbingArborist I’m in hunmanby near filey no way your from Scarborough 🤦♂️
@@morganrichardson1645 I know it well. I Used to drive through there all the time going to see my grandparents.
why isn't he wearing spikes? i think it would make the removal go a lot faster and safer.
Why faster? why safer?
He would've had a helva alot easier time had he been on spars the entire time. I know anytime I'm Removing a tree my spikes are on the entire time. They make it much easier for me to Navigate through the canopy. Not to mention he only would of had to get down once. When the tree was at the stump.
I feel its all personal preference, I personally climb around the canopy much easier and smoother without spurs.
Tom came down for lunch, then put on spurs after lunch to chunk down the tree.
Good video but in my opinion there’s plenty of ways he could have made it easier for himself , when your telling him to climb out to the over hanging branches and stuff.. he could have made cuts to swing them into himself without having to do double the work
U damage the tree bark using them. Only use them if u are taking tree down fully if possible.
Did uh.... Did you watch the video?
As a climber who's been doing it for a reasonable number of years I see no advantage of using a silky saw!
They waste time, they mean you have to work physically harder and there dangerous as far as you don't respect them like you do a chainsaw so most climbers have cut themselves with them and when you do cut yourself it's normally bad too.
Horrible things that iv not used for years, just use a battery top handle saw and scrap the silky total waste of time IMO, once in a blue moon you might cut your way out of a tight spot ascending but I'd still do with out one in favour of a chainsaw.
If you never use a Silky I assume you are one handing the saw fairly often, am I right?
@@ClimbingArborist step cuts, free fall cutting and occasionally cut and hold or using slings yes now and again I'd used a saw 1 handed but as said I think more people injure themselves using silkys.
I wouldn't say "fairly often" no.
Iv had my own business since I was 21 a qualified climber doing most the climbing on my firm having had a few apprentices and I'm 40 now Iv built my own house and apart from some minor injuries it's done me okay.
Holy crap guys you ever use a rigging line. Love your videos but this In my opinion was not at all how to take that tree down. I train a lot of guys been climbing 33 years. That’s. Not the best way to do it.
There is more than 1 way to skin a cat
Baby shit! It's even more annoying having him tell you how to do it. That's not a good way to Learn.
Best advise is harden up princess n get in there n CUT!!!!!! No lunch breaks I eat driving to the next job or its so hot all I can do is water n fruit. always double triple check n get experience . I would hate to start from the beginning again . Doing the big scary ones n needing a drink after . Well your very lucky you have smart climbers around you but the climbing everyday is what will get you confident. Stay safe and look after your body . One slip n you cop a sharp branch in your guts .... the list goes on the dangers . Slow n steady n if you got pressure n the boss is saying he will lose money n he pressuring you n your gut says no then fuck it . Its them few times that you say no could save your life n your boss will lose money and a brother . Your groundy has the care factor and looks after you that is what u want . Your up the tree your the boss in the end . You smash it n get it all down great n ur a legend . You fck up n ur the biggest wanker ever .
Just please take care all you guys . Complacency will fk you up too . Working for the right company / crew is everything . I been climbing 25 years and always learning . Conserving energy so much more now .
Stay safe hey go at your pace always
Your first sentence doesn’t seem to fit with the second half of your paragraph. Sarcasm maybe 🤔
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