Evangelizing Roman Catholics with Mike Gendron
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this week's episode, co-hosts Austin McCormick and Dewey Dovel interview Mike Gendron. Brother Mike has a passion to spread the gospel to Roman Catholics since the Lord converted him from Roman Catholicism. We hope this episode will be of profit to you.
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The only Catholics this guy could sway are the ones who don't know their faith. He does not speak for God, and he is no authority on the Bible.
The lukewarm.will listen to him but Good devout Catholics will stay away from his BS. He,s following Lucifer all the way to hell. He knows NOTHING about Catholicism. He,s a disciple of Martin Luther who left the catholic church to do his will , not God,s .Repent mike or you,lle burn forever.
True...
He just needs to know his Bible, and you guys ignore that...
Mike Gendron skipped 2000yrs.
Jesus said
“I will be with you always.”
Mt 28
AND he promised to lead his Church to ALL Truth. Mike believes he was couldn't do it, not even for a few years, and it universally errored and didn't even know it for over 1500 years (nearly 1900 years for Mike's fallible belief in the evangelical view of rapture where Jesus comes not once, but twice)
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Did Christianity start with the establishment of the Bible? What happened before the establishment of the Bible? Was the Bible available when Jesus was still on earth?
It took a while for the Bible to be established. Even then, without the printing press copies of the Holy Scriptures were scarce. Most people could not read. Lots of artwork was created in order to teach the stories of the Bible to the unlettered.
quote--- Was the Bible available when Jesus was still on earth?--unquote
depends on what you call A "bible".
He read from the OT scrolls.
btw--the apostles wrote Matthew, mark, Luke , John, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians,Ephesians, Philippinans, Colosians, 1 & 2nd Thessalonians, 1 & 2nd Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2nd Peter, 1st & 2nd John, and Revelations Before 100AD!!! ALL written!!!
Please QUOTE to me (From the Bible) where any of those books were written by Catholics!!
--The Bible as library
The Old Testament is the original Hebrew Bible, the sacred scriptures of the Jewish faith, written at different times between about 1200 and 165 BC.
----Who translated the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic scriptures into latin?
St. Jerome
The Latin translation of the Bible written by St. Jerome, who was asked by Pope Damasus in 382 A.D. to bring order out of the proliferation of Old Latin versions which were in circulation. His translation became the standard Latin version of the Bible for the Western Latin-speaking Church.
OVER 200 YEARS AFTER John!!!
If you want to evangelize Catholic's Mike, you need prove that the Eucharist is not the Resurrected Christ, just a wafer. You will need to explain just how Christendom got it UNIVERSALLY wrong for over 1,000 years. Questions for you to answer in your evangelism:
- Where does the bible state the Lord's Supper is symbolic only?
- In John 6, the bread of life discourse, list who took Christ speaking symbolically only? Then list who took him literally (don't forget Ch 7, para 1)? What do you find when you compare these two lists?
- In the Old Testament, did the Jews symbolically eat the lamb, yes or no?
- In the Old Testament, did the Jews eat a symbolic manna?
- Who ever taught Mike's fallible interpretation of scripture that it was symbolic only? Be specific to names, dates.
- What did Christ mean when he promised to lead his Church to ALL Truth?
- Was Jesus himself undependable in his promise for his Church to error so greatly, so universally?
@Sarah for Jesus ministries "Don’t be deceived"
Don't you mean Sarah to trust your fallible interpretation of scripture, decapitated from the very faith from which it came? Can you cite ANYONE in the first 1,000 years who taught your interpretation of scripture on the Lord's Supper being symbolic only (and the bread ONLY being a wafer, never changing?). That you are unable to, should give you pause ... that your fallible interpretation of scripture is wrong.
So too, one wonders Sarah how those who decided your New Testament canon (see your table of contents), 27 writings out of 300+ early Christian writings, could have ALL been DECEIVED and Sarah some 1,600 years later is right?
This makes Jesus out to be undependable and a liar. Rather, Catholic's trust Christ completely ALL of his promises below:
Christ is the head of his Church. (Col 1: 18)
Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10)
Christ *PROMISED* to lead it to ALL Truth. (Jn 16: 13)
Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20)
Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail ; (Mt 16: 18)
Christ's promises protect his Church from teaching doctrinal error.
@Sarah for Jesus ministries "the early church fathers will show you that even they saw it as a sign"
Right Sarah, ALL Sacraments are signs, but not signs only, of a greater spiritual reality. That's egg-actly why you won't find any of them speaking to a symbolic only reality. And you should note Sarah, just who many of these ECF's are ... all Catholic's, many of them Catholic Bishops. They ALL believed that that through their words of consecration the bread and wine Transformed into the Resurrected Christ, just as Jesus says: THIS IS MY BODY. See John 6 ....bread of life discourse. Write two columns: 1. ALL who took him speaking symbolically only and 2. ALL who took him literally. What do you find when you do so ? And read too and include Chapter 7, paragraph 1.
@Sarah for Jesus ministries Sarah, do you have the source citation for St Augustine's quote or are you just copying and pasting from who knows where?
That said, notice in the quote, he says nothing about it being figurative only. He must have been one confused Bishop, believing that the bread and wine transformed into the resurrected Christ through HIS words of consecration.
"the Catholic Church is a false apostate church "
Well you use the Catholic book Sarah, tacitly submitting to this apostate Church's authority to know what books belong in your bible, at least the New Testament exactly.
Interesting, St Augustine was there at Hippo and Carthage when the Bishops affirmed the repeated decisions of Bishops in Rome some 20 years earlier.
"Please read your Bible"
And note, you won't find the canon, what books belong in the the bible, in the bible.
The authority that decided for you Sarah is the Catholic Church !
Suggest reading Augustine's tractates on John. After reading them, let me know if his beliefs are that of a Evangelical USA Christian or that of a Catholic. :)
I already know the answer.
@Sarah for Jesus ministries "Paul said it was to be done in remembrance"
Right Sarah. "Remembrance" should remind you of the Old Testament Passover meal. In succeeding generations, the Israelites at the meal in _remembrance_ of the original meal. Doing so brought them mystically back to the original meal itself. And in the Eucharist, we eat of the resurrected Christ as a means of receiving his grace, the original sacrifice made present before the Father for all time.
"If he was truly present already then there would be no need to proclaim his death as you wait for him as he would already be present with you"
He is truly present whenever two or more are gathered in his name. He is present too in the symbols of the bread and win, as they are signs of the greater reality of his Resurrected Body and Blood. A means to receive his Grace. Remember, we are saved ... by Grace.
And do Sarah create those two columns reading John 6. List for each who took Jesus as speaking Sarah (symbolically only) and those who took him as a Catholic (literally).
@Sarah for Jesus ministries t”he Israelites coming together every year to remember the Passover was not the same as reliving the night that God took the Egyptians”
WRONG. Quoting directly here from a Jewish source:
_Maggid” (Re-telling) section of the Haggadah, that _*_remembrance_*_ is but a means to a larger ends. The end of the Maggid section reveals why:_
_In each and every generation people must regard themselves as though they personally left Egypt, as it says, “Tell your child on that very day: ‘This is what God did for me when I left Egypt.’” The Holy One of Blessing did not redeem only our ancestors, but God even redeemed us with them, as it says, “God brought us out of there in order to bring us to and gave us the land that God swore to our ancestors.”_
For the Jews, “remembrance” is a liturgical term speaking to the offering of a priestly sacrifice (a memorial sacrifice). The Eucharist is a perpetual sacrifice offered by Jesus the High Priest.
*Question: did the Jews eat a symbolic lamb?*
Keep in mind, Jesus is the Lamb of God. As St Paul says, we have to keep the feast (1 Cor 5: 8)
“ but simply remember it”
Remembrance ! There you go! You need to understand what the word means for a 1st century Jews and Christians.
“we are saved by grace through faith”
Very Catholic. It’s not JUST that initial ascent of faith, the I BELIEVE …. To be IN CHRIST, We must keep the commandments as Christ himself says (Mt 19: 16) in love of God and neighbor, a faith working in love as scripture says _For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love._ (Gal 5)
“and not of works lest any man should boast”
Context. You do not understand what is meant here by WORKS. This too confused a 16th c Catholic Priest named Luther. St Paul is comparing the *works of the Law to Faith in Christ.* The works of the Law can not save. One must read the chapter / passage to understand the context and not pick verses out in isolation.
We are saved :
1. BY GRACE (an unmerited gift)
2. THROUGH FAITH (an act of the intellect)
Abraham was initially justified by faith. “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”
Notice that no where in scripture does scripture ever state that one is saved by "faith alone." That concept wouldn't come into Christianity until the 1500's (a NEW gospel scripture warns about, Gal 1: 8)
3. WORKING IN LOVE (completing "faith" in love of God and neighbor)
God's Word through St James is quite clear. Our faith is NOT separated from our "works" of love. Abraham was justified AGAIN through works = of love !
*_Was not Abraham our father justified by works,_*_ when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?_ (Ja 2: 21)
Who should I believe....
A. Sarah
B. God
God continues, saying that our works of LOVE Justify us.
_You see that _*_a man is justified by works and not by faith alone_* (Ja 2: 24)
Who should I believe....
A. Sarah
B. God
Note, the ONLY time in ALL of scripture those two words are side by side "FAITH ALONE" and scripture says one is JUSTIFIED (made right with God .. SAVED!) by WORKs, not FAITH ALONE !!
Again, this bears repeating, faith is never alone from works of love. That is why God says faith is made complete by works of love:
_You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,_ (Ja 2: 22)
or restated, without works of love, faith is incomplete. And can an incomplete faith .. faith alone ... save you ? God says. no !
_What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?_ (Ja 2: 14)
"and so by believing you have to partake in the Eucharist to receive grace is the opposite as that’s works"
The Eucharist is a means of receiving God’s Grace.
Scripture:
_So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you_ (Jn 6: 42)
Symbolic only? No.
*Question: What does the word “UNLESS” mean?*
“There are no works needed for salvation”
The works of the Old Testament law can not save. We are saved through faith. But … we must STAY attached to the vine, as CHRIST SAYS: Keep the Commandments. If we FAIL to love, we can as branch, be cutoff, bundled and thrown into the fire. ALL who are attached to the VINE are 100% SAVED.. But scripture shows that SALVATION can be lost … when we sin mortally AND do not repent.
“ as the one sufficient sacrifice completed at Calvary was sufficient to save us”
Very, very Catholic. But God gives us free will to reject his gift of salvation, even AFTER we have been justified by our initial faith.
“ because of his mercy and the washing and renewal of the Holy Spirit.. “
Scripture here is speak of Baptism. Just as GOD SAYs in 1 Pet 3: 21:
_Baptism now saves you_
We receive the indwelling of God within us and sanctifying grace lost in the sin of Adam.
“Being born again has nothing to do with baptism.”:
You will NEVER EVER find a Christian in the first 1000+ years teaching what you believe. That’s why you can not cite ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the world teaching what you believe. Not one person. Christ must have been a horrible teacher. You preach a new Gospel (Gal 1:8). REJECTED! Being BORN AGAIN has everything to do with Baptism. One is BORN AGAIN scripturally through Baptism. Note too, you also disagree with MANY other PROTESTANTS on this subject. Since you like to quote St Augustine, here is a quote from him
“It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated through the agency of another’s will when that infant is brought to Baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn…’Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.’ The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was in one Adam.” Augustine, To Boniface, Epistle 98:2 (A.D. 408).
“ he doesn’t need to offer repeated sacrifices”
No repeated sacrifices in Catholicism. If you are going to evangelize Catholics, at least, at a minimum, know what the Church teaches … don’t be in ignorance of even worse, lie to others.
“Also the Catholic Church teach that you have to obey the law to be saved:”
Again, more non sense. Cite WHERE does the Catholic Church teach one must obey the law to be saved?
“Galatians 3 says there under a curse as no flesh is Justified by the law!!”
Right. The OT law can not save.
“And I will list a few fathers”
So you earlier quoted St Augustine but not can not find the source of his writing? Copying and pasting from some website and not even having the source writing at hand shows you don't understand what you are even reading.
Related Question: where in scripture does SPIRITUAL ever mean SYMBOLIC? This is the root of your problem, you don’t know how and what St Augustine meant using the word SPIRITUAL. This is good homework for you to find out.
“Didache; spiritual food and drink”
To my question.
“Justin Marty; In remembrance of the body …. Clement of Alexandra; symbol of the sacred blood. … Origen; we have a symbol of the gratitudes to God in the bread which we call the Eucharist. “
NONE Of those men above are saying the the Eucharist is symbolic only. Not one. You don’t know what the word remembrance means, ALL Sacraments are SYMBOLS yes but not SYMBOLS ONLY … of an underlying spiritual reality …
You need to do a LOT more homework. Or remain in ignorance.
Stay away from catholicism.
Stay away from idolatry & fanaticism of men.
Follow Jesus, become a Christian.
Very well said, dad Dada! God bless you!
I, like all practicing Catholics, follow Jesus. I believe in Jesus. Tell me why you think I should stay away from Catholicism. Am I not saved?
@@vernongsnyder does your like define truth?
Do Jesus like you to bow to graven images?
Do Jesus like you to pray to dead people, like mary?
Do Jesus like you to make mary sinless?
Mariology?
Do Jesus like you to make pope infallible?
Do you think Jesus like you to do the rosary?
Do you think Jesus like you to believe in purgatory? Indulgence? Etc?
@@daddada2984 "Dead people"? You don't believe in an eternal soul? You think Moses is "dead" too? I think Jesus would like you to know what you're talking about before you criticize his Church.
What gives you the right to continue accuse Catholics of idol worship. It says in the 10 commandments not to bear false witness to your name. "Fanaticism of men" your ignorant knowledge.
Mike believes that his interpretation of the bible is the ultimate truth. I was a pentecostal and found that what these people who claim to have" the biblical truth " do, is take certain verses at face value as the truth and when they find other scriptures that don't line up they have to " interpret" them to make them fit with the ones they take at face value. If everyone when they read the Bible saw its teachings as clear as Mike then why is there so many protestant denominations with so many different doctrines?
Exactly, he also says that other protestant denominations that don't line up with his teachings then they're in apostasy. And pretty much all of his opinions on catholicism is completely wrong.
@@davidtaylor3576 Can you name a few of "all of his opinions on catholicism" that are completely wrong so we can consider them? Also, he does not talk about his "opinions". He contrasts what the Bible says with what the official teaching of the Roman church says in its Catechism. And any church that teaches anything other than what the Bible teaches (or adds to the teachings of Scripture) is in apostasy according to the Apostle Paul: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8).
@Tony S there's a laundry list of things he's wrong about when it comes to catholicism. His our faith is "faith + works" even though no church document has ever said that. He says we worship mary and the saints, that's a lie, the church condemned worshiping mary in the 400s because a heretical sect was offering sacrifices to her. I can go on. And when he says "this is what the church teaches" I would suggest reading the catechism for yourself and you'll find that he's out of touch with what the church actually teaches. And lastly, when it comes to scripture, he quotes scripture saying "this is what God says" but it's really just his interpretation of what God said. And when a fallible person is trying to interpret something infallible then that person can be wrong. Especially when these books were written hundreds and thousands of years ago, in a different place, a different culture, and in different languages. Just something to think about.
@@tonyultrasound Paul was not preaching from the New Testament. The Catholic Church hadn't compiled it yet. But there is nothing in Catholicism that is contrary to what Paul teaches. Why would the Catholic Church give us a New Testament to guide us and then preach against it? Catholics gave you that New Testament. Anyway, who then do you say is the proper interpreter of the Bible and which of the 20,000 Protestant sects is right and which are wrong? Or all they all wrong?
@@tonyultrasound Paul wasn't preaching from the Bible. There was no New Testament at that time. There is nothing in Catholicism that contradicts the Holy Scriptures. Zero. The Catholic Church is the author of the NT and heir to the OT. It has the authority to interpret the scriptures, not a disgruntled ex-Catholic working on his own. Why do some Protestants go out of their way to attack Catholicism? As a Catholic I don't go out of my way to attack Christians in the schismatic sects or those "Jesus and me" believers who think they are a church unto themselves. I try to find what we have in common and respect that as well as respect their intentions. There is no respect coming from the anti-Catholics.
We Catholics have a proverb about one’s width of reading, depth of study, and height of understanding of the Bible and where this leads to: “Weak Catholics become Evangelicals; Strong Evangelicals become Catholics.”
If it's the man made religious strength and weakness that you're talking about which is against the Bible, then suit yourself to your own perilous destruction.
@@ericevearitt3317 read again the aphorism. Let's compare Richard Bennett and Scott Hahn. In their reading, study, and understanding of the Bible, Bennett the non-Bible scholar lowly ex-priest is like a general practitioner physician, Hahn the Bible scholar ex-minister is a specialist physician. In your biblical illness that can lead to your "perilous destruction," to which of them will you go for consultation and treatment?
Bao-de Lan, aphorism is not what matters, THE TRUTH that's JESUS CHRIST IS WHAT MATTERS. Richard Bennett was interested in the truth and founded in the Bible. Scott Hahn was interested in what you call "Bible scholarship" but not what the Bible says regarding THE TRUTH. Roman Catholicism created an unbiblical Jesus and mary in her own image and Exodus 20 says its idolatry.
Many Catholics already have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. They don't need to leave their Church in order to have that.
wrong. They are condemned
@@56pjr "They are condemned"
Catholic's have the relationship with Christ that no evangelical has: receiving his resurrected body, blood, soul, and Divinity in the Eucharist, a means for receiving his grace. Evangelicals deny scripture and believe that the Church errored for over 1500 years - universally - and didn't even know it ! I makes Jesus out to be undependable and a liar.
He FAILED to lead his Church to ALL Truth! (Jn 16:13)
Hell prevailed despite Christ's promise it would not. (Mt 16:18)
But before the fallible Church of Gendron meets a Catholic, they have much disagreement with every other protestant denomination, all holding to the man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura. It's fruit was at the beginning, and is even more so now, chaos and confusion.
If any Catholic is truly born again like so many have, then the Holy Spirit leads them out of anything that's false. Roman Catholicism is a false religion that leads people to death and hell and NOT to life and Heaven. KNOW THAT!!
Interesting discussion. It is sad that so many so-called evangelicals fail to see how distorted the RCC 'gospel' is.
The opposite is true.
@@PB_324 got that right
Rcc is perverted Christianity.
@Christine Wright you wouldn’t have a Bible if not for Jesus Christ Holy Catholic Church
@@johnvitelli3862
Decree of the Council of Toulouse (1229 C.E.): "We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."
Ruling of the Council of Tarragona of 1234 C.E.: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned..."
Proclamations at the Ecumenical Council of Constance in 1415 C.E.: Oxford professor, and theologian John Wycliffe, was the first (1380 C.E.) to translate the New Testament into English to "...helpeth Christian men to study the Gospel in that tongue in which they know best Christ's sentence." For this "heresy" Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury. By the Council's decree "Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift River."
Fate of William Tyndale in 1536 C.E.: William Tyndale was burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. According to Tyndale, the Church forbid owning or reading the Bible to control and restrict the teachings and to enhance their own power and importance.
"The sacrament of justification"
The what? How was this guy so poorly catechized? He speaks error so confidently.
Imagine, he doesn't even know what he is talking about... I feel sorry for those who follow him
Veezie, they follow the ONE whom Mike Gendron proclaims, JESUS CHRIST. Just to let you know.
@@ericevearitt3317 he is so deluded this Mike Gendron and he is so very misinformed. His information is highly toxic, irrelevant and full of thought broadcasting.. I just wonder where he learnt all that hogwash from.He needs help!
"How was this guy so poorly catechized?"
I seriously doubt the Mike and Jane were engaged and practicing Catholics. Interesting that the most educated protestants convert to the Catholic Church, and the least educated and practicing Catholics go the other way.
Most of the protestant arguments are old which have been refuted by many many decades ago, they still come up with the same old arguments, which is getting boring.
@@DJ-sn2xj What RC Church teaches is what the apostles and their students taught, remember, we are not heretics like protestants we are the one true Church of Jesus Christ.
@@DJ-sn2xj we as Catholics not only read and adore the Holy Bible but it was our Church who canonized the Bible. On the other hand, the arch-heretic Martin Luther removed the books from the Holy Bible because they did not suit his demonic heretical doctrine.
@@DJ-sn2xj so you study the Bible just like the other 25,000 denominations of protestants. Maybe you can go start your own church too. 😂
@@DJ-sn2xj lol ok
@@DJ-sn2xj
There is nothing coming out of the mouth of the heretic which is new on the face of the other. These arguments are centuries old and have been rebutted again and again by both Christian and protestant scholars.
The Greek word translated “until” in this passage (heos) does not always refer to a change in condition. When Jesus quoted Psalm 110 he said, “David himself, inspired by the Holy Spirit, declared, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, till [Greek, Heos] I put your enemies under your feet’ ” (Mk 12:36). However, this doesn’t mean the Messiah will cease to sit at the Lord’s right hand after his enemies have been subdued. Second Samuel 6:23 also cannot imply any reversal in condition given that in the Greek Old Testament it says, “Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to [heos] the day of her death.”
Since the Protestant apologist is claiming the use of heos in Matthew 1:25 refers to a change in Mary’s virginity, he carries the burden of proving heos has this meaning in this passage. Allison claims the word has this meaning because in every other case in Matthew’s Gospel he refers to a change in condition. Therefore, we are justified in saying Matthew 1:25 is not an exception but refers to a similar change in Mary’s virginity.41
But aside from the fact that authors can use words in unique ways, this argument fails because Matthew 28:20 uses heos without implying a change in condition. In that verse Jesus tells the apostles, “Observe all that I have commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to [heos] the close of the age,” even though Jesus will be with the apostles even after this present age comes to an end (cf. 1 Thess 4:17). Concerning Matthew 1:25, John Calvin wrote, “No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words of the Evangelist, as to what took place after the birth of Christ.”
In the fourth century, a Roman writer named Helvidius claimed that the Gospel’s references to Jesus’ brethren were best explained by denying Mary’s perpetual virginity (this has come to be known as the Helvidian view of Mary’s virginity). One answer to Helvidius, offered by Saint Jerome, was that Jesus’ brethren were his cousins or other extended relatives and were not born of either Mary or Joseph.50
This explanation is plausible given that two of the brethren, James and Joseph, are also mentioned in Matthew 27:56. This verse says that looking at a distance upon the site of the Crucifixion “were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee”. According to Protestant minister E. Anne Clements, in her review of the women in the Gospels:
Some have argued that “Mary the mother of James and Joseph” (Matt 27:56) is Mary, the mother of Jesus because the names James and Joseph appear in the list of Jesus’ brothers in Matthew 13:55. Mary is consistently referred to to to to as Jesus’ mother (Matt 1:18, 2:11, 13, 20, 21, 13:55). It would seem very strange that at the crucial point of Jesus’ crucifixion
Matthew would name Mary in this way or that she would be called “the other Mary” (Matt 27:61, 28:1)
1 John 5: 16 If anyone sees his brother committing what is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those who's sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrong doing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly.
The good thing is the Roman Catholic Church is a true Church formed by Jesus Himself...Matthew 16:13-20.All these self proclaimed whatever they call themselves are misinterpreting the bible to suit their twisted and deluded minds.I am proudly Catholic and whoever follows these people it's up to you.
VeeZie, one must ask according to Acts 16:30 what must I do to be saved? The answer is given in the following verse from 16:31 which says, ~BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED.~ VeeZie, I was in a similar religion to the Roman Catholic Cult and I know what I was required to do to earn salvation. However this contradicts the TRUTH from the Bible especially found in the books John, Romans and Ephesians 2:8-9. Don't take my word for it but you can read the Bible for yourself without any human bias.
Have you actually read the Bible...especially the New Testament? And if so, have you studied it? Do you know that God tells us all to read His Word? How would you know if the RCC is doing the correct interpretation if you yourself don't study His Word? You say "proudly Catholic", but where does your heart lie...with Christ, or the RCC? Do you know the Gospel of Salvation and what the Bible says as to how to be saved? Do you really understand John 6, which has nothing to do with communion? Do you understand what idol worship is? Do you understand the difference between faith vs works, and why that is important? What's the difference between Christianity vs religion? Have you been "born again" and if so how do you know? What is the difference between imputed righteousness vs infused? These questions are all answered by reading the Bible and understanding proper doctrine.
@@ericevearitt3317 "what must I do to be saved? "
Do you have to forgive others?
Yes
No
Do you have to eat his flesh and drink his blood?
Yes
No
You asked what must i do to be saved? The Bible says in Acts 16:31 ~Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you will be saved.
Since Jesus Christ forgave us, we must know Him first to forgive others. Check out Matthew 18:22
We do not eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood literally: this amounts to cannibalism. We partake of the bread and the wine in REMEMBRANCE of our Lord's death on the cross: His broken body and His shed blood for the complete forgiveness of all our sins (check out 1 Corinthians 11:24-26 in light of John 6:63). IN REMEMBRANCE OF HIM!!!
@@ericevearitt3317 "You asked what must i do to be saved? "
Are you saved if the Father doesn't forgive your trespasses? What happens if he does not forgive your trespasses?
_14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses._ (Mt 6:14-15)
"We do not eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood literally: "
Where does scripture say Christ wasn't speaking literally?
Who in the Bread of Life passage wasn't taking Christ literally?
Who was taking him literally? Also read the 1st para of Ch. 7.
_52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”[d] 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, _*_unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;_*_ 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.”_ (Jn 6)
" this amounts to cannibalism"
Interesting, the Romans accused the Christians of eating their Christ!
And scripture shows the disciples took Christ literally as well: _60 Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”_
" We partake of the bread and the wine in REMEMBRANCE"
Well, yes of course. Now ... one has to understand this word and what it meant. In the Old Testament, the passover meal, was in _remembrance_ of the original Passover meal. Those celebrating the meal believed that it made the original meal present, now! And, in the original Passover meal, one had to not only sacrifice an unblemished lamb, one had to EAT the lamb or your firstborn would have died. Jesus, is the Lamb of God. One has to eat the Lamb, his resurrected body blood soul and divinity, a means of receiving his Grace. So too, it's having the personal relationship with God that he intends.
Mike lost his debate with Tim staples on Justification
His position were all distortion scripture
I would really like to see that
Could you post it??
That's all he has, HIS HATRED IF THE RCC IS SO OBVIOUS, He lives a life of sin and the RCC points that out so what does he do. Turn his back on his faith and tries making excuses to JUSTIFY his sinful life.
No he didn't lose and the catholic church distorts scripture
Set Mike Gendron for a debate with Trent Horn or Tim Staples, he will get roasted.
Even the guy from Catholic Truth would destroy this guy.
Try it..
Mostly priest seldom go to debate.. priest talk only in there echo chambers..
I called catholic answers with a simple question about Mary
They hung up on me.
These “catholic apologists”know nothing of the “WORD OF GOD”.
They get softball questions from their”following” of immature catholic
Boys.they don’t let real calls through.
No he wouldn't
@@draytonthomasjaymes9007 wrong
C. S. Lewis said in his Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer,
Our souls demand purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, “It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy”? Should we not reply, “With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d
rather be cleaned first.” “It may hurt, you know”-“Even so, sir.”
Let’s get our theology from C S LEWIS.
Any port in a storm EH!
Catholics act like children because they’re treated like children.
Great imagination it must serve you well!
I love C.S. Lewis.
@@Over-for-now AMEN “
Ya'll should have on Trent Horn. He would be a good discussion for you. He has a channel called "Counsel of Trent".
Yes- Catholic Truth is another good one.
Trent should debate this guy.
Trent only knows softball answers to softball questions.
@@savedbygrace8337 He destroyed Protestant Bishop and scholar on justification though.
What’s the info on that .
It's ironic that Mike Gendron left the one true Church and spends his life trying to convince people to get out of that one true Church. Talk about who's being deceived. Haiz. May the Good Lord have mercy on Him.
Yeah, he left the narrow road to salvation for the wide road to hell and the sad fact is he s leading thousands over that cliff to fall into the lake of fire in the end.
@@twolak1972 Prove to me that the RCC is the 'one true church.' Otherwise, you are throwing mud at someone who is proclaiming the truth of scripture.
@@TheStemo1 No he s not, hes blaspheming. He used to be catholic and left the faith..Claims Christ is NOT present in the eucharist, Mary was not born without sin, Did not remain a virgin, Says the sacraments are useless. He,lle pay for his ONSULTS on judgement day if he does,nt repent.
@@twolak1972 You can have Christ without the Catholic church. If I can have Christ without the Catholic church, why do I need the Catholic church?
@@TheStemo1 NO YOU CAN T. YOU ALL THINK YOU CAN BUT UNLESS YOU EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD YOU HAVE NO INHERITANCE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD. EXPLAIN HOW YOU STILL HAVE CHRIST IF YOU DON,T LISYEN TO WHAT HE SAYS.
The church had existed 380 years before the bible, but the Christians were not without guidance.
The Acts of the Apostles tells us that they “were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles” (Acts 2:42).
Christ, therefore, meant the official teaching of the apostles and of their successors in the Church to be our guide, not the written Bible which is so liable to misinterpretation by its various individual readers, however sincere they may be. Christ in his wisdom will not let the bible be our only guide in our Christian life.
It is through His apostles and His church that Christ orally left His teachings to develop canon/doctrines for Christianity as it goes forward in time.
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Like new social issues that beset our society, that were not in ancient books, written by ancient men.
Real life is a witness to this truth:
How Christianity would handle and define: abortion, artificial birth control, gay marriage, euthanasia, divorce, gender fluidity, etc.
---- Christianity must be united as one voice to these issues...a solid stand against the enemy of the sanctity of life and the family.
St. Paul: “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye speak the same thing, and that there be no division among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Cor. 1:10)
(We see what happened in the modern "literate" world where the bible became accessible to modern men, Christianity dissolved into thousands of different sects. - the devil sow confusion and chaos.)
Nope, light has no relationship with darkness..
Catholicism is darkness, perverted Christianity, acting as light but is darkness.
Even the devil can appeared as angel of light.
Ecumenism is not biblical,
We have to unity is the truth & the spirit.
The RCC in second century changed Matthew 28 19 was Changed by them it once read in his name go ye therefore and teach all nations in my Name Acts 2 38 Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the holy spirit and they continue in the.apostles doctrine and the lord ADDED to the church those who were being saved Acts 2 47
Joe key, the necessity of the new birth through faith in Jesus Christ must first take place before imorralities of the day are to be dealt. People need to know that they must be born again through faith in Jesus Christ for their hearts to be saved and transformed to denounce any imorralities such as: baby murder, sodomy, euthanasia, gender fluidity and whatever wickedness is there.
Thanks guys for getting this out to let people know about eternal matters and invite Mike Gendron to shed light on this apostate religious cult known as Roman Catholicism. I've been converted by the Lord from a similar religious background known as the Romanian Orthodox Church which is distantly related to the Greek Orthodox Church. I've been a born again follower of Christ since 2013 when I knew I needed to call on the Lord and be saved according to Romans 10:9-13 and Acts 16:31. Luke 18:13 came to memory when the Lord drew me to my knees at night because He would not let me sleep until things were settled. Following that, I received His peace that passes all understanding and went away justified like the tax collector. I can confidently say that I am saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone on Scripture aline to the glory of God alone according to Ephesians 2:8-9. I'm also confident in the absolute assurance that I know that I have eternal life based on my faith in Jesus Christ according to 1 John 5:13. May God bless your Covenant Podcast ministry.
I'm curious how you know you can rely on the Bible as an authority. It didn't just fall out of the sky. Who compiled it and how do you know it's true?
Vernon, how I know I can rely on God's Word is powerfully authoritative is because I've been born again since 2013 as you've obviously read in my testimony given in this podcast. You're right that the Bible didn't just fall out of the sky. The LORD led prophets, apostles and lay people- 40 in all over a period of 1600 years to write (2 Peter 1:21) and now we have it to guide us for faith and practice. I was actually never a protestant nor am I one today and neither am I part of religion anymore. I've been born again since 2013 and am a follower of Jesus Christ. Vernon, perhaps you need to be born again not in false religion such as Roman Catholicism but a genuine faith in Jesus Christ. I'm leaving you with some key verses: John 3:3,5,7; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-13. No one is born again as a catholic, protestant or whatever else you want to call it. The Lord Jesus Christ urged that one must be born again from above. The mass, transubstantiation, eucharist, the seven sacraments and any mystical religious practice is NOT the answer but a dangerous hindrance to the glorious gospel of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, said JESUS CHRIST.
@@ericevearitt3317 I know the Bible is the inspired word of God because the Catholic Church, which existed for 300 years before the New Testament was compiled told me that it is. How do you know that all the books of the Bible are inspired? Because they say they are? You need some kind of authority outside of the Bible to prove the Bible. I have a genuine faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through Him. I've been "born again." I was baptized as an infant. I chose Catholicism as an adult at the age of 38 after much discernment and study. I thought it was false at one time myself. Now I know better. I have experienced the peace that comes from the Eucharist, the Body of Christ. It's a little bit sad that some go out of their way to attack Catholicism. Catholicism does not attack the Protestant sects but instead rejoices in whatever Truth we have in common, while welcoming all to enjoy the fullness of Christianity that is not to be found in Protestantism or in do-it-yourself churches or in "me and God" believers who each interpret the Bible in different ways and sometimes in ways to suit themselves. They have no authority to guide them regarding avoiding such sins as divorce, abortion, use of contraception, fornication, masturbation, transgenderism, etc. They leave the door open to accepting all kinds of crazy false morality that the world gives us. I accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I have been born again. That goes with the territory of being a practicing Catholic. I hear and believe the Word of God proclaimed every Sunday as well as at daily Mass. I do not believe I am saved by my works but by the grace of God. But faith without works is dead so the two go together. Nobody can do good works except by the grace of God. I don't see why this is such a sticking point for those outside of Catholicism. I can't do a good work or even take my next breath without God's permission. Anyway, I've found my way into the fullness of Christianity and there is no persuading me out of it. There is no other place to go. It would be nice if anti-Catholics could at the very least accept that Catholics believe as they do in good faith. (Though there are many Catholics who are poor examples of Catholicism and there are some very corrupt bishops in the church). May God bless you and your family.
Vernon, what I'm denouncing is the false religion that the apostate Roman Catholic cult is, and NOT THE BIBLE as GOD’S WORD. When I was born again in 2013 I learned from the truth of God's Word that Jesus my Lord and Savior is the Way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father but through Him alone. Roman Catholicism denies salvation in the finished work of Jesus Christ according to Hebrew 10:14 and she elevates the seven sacraments as a hindrance to the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. What you're involved in Vernon is not a genuine faith in Jesus Christ but in a religious cult that has treacherously misguided and held people in fear for their lives with the biggest money makes of fictitious Purgatory. You need to learn the Bible better for yourself not how the priests interpret it.
@@ericevearitt3317 This is your personal interpretation of a bible that was given to you by the Catholic Church and which was in existence for more than 300 years before the Bible was compiled. You also take scriptures out of context. A text without a context is a pretext. All Sacraments are instituted by Jesus Christ and are means of salvation. Purgatory is not fictitious and if you carefully read Paul and suspend your anti-Catholic bias, you will see that he speaks about it as well as the Eucharist. Lastly you're way off base with your "fear for your lives" comment. I've never experienced anything like that in my 25+ years as a Catholic. If anything priests and bishops need to be more assertive regarding the danger we put our souls in by conforming to the world and not to what Christ teaches. Sadly, even some churches who call themselves Christian accept abortion, contraception, divorce and remarriage and many other sins because they have no guidance and because they have the "bible only" and freely invent their own contradictory doctrines.
I’m guessing this guy wasn’t paying attention in Mass.
He truly is ignorant of the Catholic Church teachings!
@@daisynieves1644 as former catholics usually are
@@wjm5972 who do you know? Are you omniscient?
Nope, he give good background for catholicism. Remember he has good background in catholicism.
@@daddada2984 lol yeah ok… he obviously has no clue about his former faith. Go read the early church fathers, the actual Bible not the Protestant version and get back to me.
Again Mike , the Transubstantiation is on (John 6:53) (John 6:56) (1 Corinthians 11:24-25) (Matthew 26:26)
And Baptism is on (John 3:5) and Confession is on (John 20:23) (1 John 1:9) And preists not marrying is on (1 Corinthians 7:32-35)
quote---the Transubstantiation is on (John 6:53) (John 6:56) (1 Corinthians 11:24-25) (Matthew 26:26) -unquote
John 6:53--the Transubstantiation is on (John 6:53) (John 6:56) (1 Corinthians 11:24-25) (Matthew 26:26)
---John 6:53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. In verse 56 Jesus clarified what He meant by eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Uniting to Jesus by faith produces the effect of mutual indwelling with Him.
---1 Cor 11:24-25 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was ...
---Matthew 26:26
26 As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, “Take this and eat it, for this is my body.”
------John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.--unquote
Obviously you have NO understanding of that verse!!!!
READ IT AGAIN!!! "he who comes to Me will not hunger"- his body
"he who believes in Me will never thirst.-"--His blood!!!
Whomever FOLLOWS Jesus will NOT hunger--due to His words!!!
Whomever BELIEVES in Jesus will NOT THIRST--due to His words!!!
------Communion
How do you labor for the food that endures to eternal life? Believe in me! (John 6:27, 29) “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me [in faith] shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.” (John 6:35) “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.” (John 6:47)
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When the crowd took offense at his gruesome talk, Jesus exposed their unbelief: “The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe” (John 6:63-64).
SYMBOLIC!!! NOT LITERAL!!!
>>>>>quote---And Baptism is on (John 3:5) and Confession is on (John 20:23) (1 John 1:9) And preists not marrying is on (1 Corinthians 7:32-35)-unquote
John 20:23 After His resurrection, Jesus told the disciples, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:23).
But, OBVIOUSLY you have forgotten these:
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalm 115:17
>>>Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:10
>>>>28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 5:28-29
>>>10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
11 As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:
12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job 14:10-12
>>>>5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
>>>>In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Genesis 3:19
>>>His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Psalm 146:4
>>>Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
>>>For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:26
>>>Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:6
>>>And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:13
>>>For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
NOW--that the Bible CLEARLY states they have NO THOUGHTS in the grave, just how will anyone hear the prayers???
Psalm 6:5
>>>quote--And preists not marrying is on (1 Corinthians 7:32-35)
1 Cor 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned.
btw-Peter was married!!!
Married
Saint Peter 30/33-64/68 Mother-in-law is mentioned in the Gospel verses Matthew 8:14-15, Luke 4:38, Mark 1:29-31 and who was healed by Jesus at her home in Capernaum. 1 Cor. 9:5 asks whether others have the right to be accompanied by Christian wives as does "Cephas" (Peter). Clement of Alexandria wrote: "When the blessed Peter saw his own wife led out to die, he rejoiced because of her summons and her return home, and called to her very encouragingly and comfortingly, addressing her by name, and saying, 'Remember the Lord.' Such was the marriage of the blessed, and their perfect disposition toward those dearest to them." Yes Later legends, dating from the 6th century onwards, suggested that Peter had a daughter - identified as Saint Petronilla. This is likely to be a result of the similarity of their names.
>>>>-----John XVII 1003 Married before his election as pope Yes (three sons) All of his children became priests.
----Clement IV 1265-1268 Married before taking holy orders Yes (two daughters) Both children entered a convent
>>>>>
Mark 2:7 maintains that only God can forgive sin (cf. Psa. 103:1-3; Matt. 9:6; Luke 5:21). God is the single sovereign of the universe. He is the lawmaker and the judge. He is the legislative, judicial and executive branch all combined into one covenantal authority. Only God has the authority to forgive sins.
----[1] While the Bible instructs us to forgive one another (Matt. 18:21-22; Col. 3:13, etc.), Peter reminds us of from where such authority comes - “in the name of Jesus” (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 10:43). God’s children may forgive others in the power of Christ’s name.
>>>Mathew 16:18 The Rock
Well whoever is saying that Jesus built his church on Peter needs to repent and stop telling that lie. Jesus built his church on what Peter said. He asked Peter who he tells people Jesus is. Peter said thou are the Christ the Son of the Living God. Jesus said that is what I build my church on. That he is the Christ, the Son of God. He didn't tell Peter he is building his church on him but what Peter said
>>>>. Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.
Our Salvation Is Based On Jesus’ Work on the Cross
According to the Biblical doctrine of Salvation, Jesus’ work on the cross (His blood) purifies us from all sin. For this reason, there isn’t a lingering sin problem requiring the existence of a place like purgatory:
Regarding the veneration of icons to be deep in history necessitates being Protestant, is to cease to be Roman Catholic or to cease to be Eastern Orthodox.
- Dr. Gavin Ortlund
No you are not correct.
This is a funny statement, a play on St. John Henry Newman's famous words: "“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." {From his writing, "An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine"). Strangely, during the Protestant Reformation (1520), reformers Calvin, Zwingli and Muntzer sanctioned the destruction of sacred catholic images in all churches. They and their followers were 'iconoclasts', even if their spiritual leader, Luther, apparently was not against sacred images per se.
"veneration of icons to be deep in history necessitates being Protestant"
Icons are reminders of our faith, and ultimately point us to follow Jesus Christ, God incarnate. As his mother says, _do whatever he tells you._ We listen to her and follow her words.
The problem of Purgatory is quite obvious as is written in the Scripture.
Imagine I die one day and I was send to Purgatory for a year. After one year, I am happy that at last I have paid my due. When I reach Heaven, I was stop by God and unable to enter. Imagine what I would say to God? I would say, God, I already paid my due, you have no reason and authority to stop me from entering. I earn it! God already anticipated that. That's why we are never save by our own merits or our own suffering or our own hardwork. It's all about the Grace God freely given to us.
(For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.- Ephesians 2:8-9)
Since you claim there is no "purgatory " Then please explain where Jesus' Spirit went for the 3 days his body was dead? Sacred Scripture says ",, that he went and preached to the spirits who lay in prison. " ( 1 Peter 3:19) Where was this prison? was it in Heaven? If so why would there be a prison in Paradise? Was the prison in the Hell of the Damned? If so why would the damned need to hear the Gospel? .
as you say there is no "purgatory" then Jesus did not have to die on the cross. If Moses and Abraham and the rest of the OT Faithful were already in the presence of the Lord then Jesus did not have to die.
His death on the cross opened the narrow gate and the OT faithful passed through that narrow gate from the wilderness into the Promised land.
The OT Faithful that died waiting for the Messiah weren't in slavery in Egypt- the antetype of hell of the damned for they had been rescued but they weren't in the Promised land of heaven either. Jesus' death opened the narrow gate and fulfilled the Covenant. Please study the Hebrew thoughts of Sheol and the grave, and note that Sheol is NOT Gehenna. Gehenna is for the accursed and the Damned not Abraham or Moses.
The waiting in the spiritual wilderness is the best explanation of "purgatory" I can think of right now.
Thanks for listening and remember Revelation 21 :17 & 1 Cor 3:15 especially verses 10-15. ----
the word hell means Hades or Sheol, the collective abode of the dead, divided into Paradise or Abraham's Bosom--the state of God-fearing souls--and Gehenna, the state of ungodly souls. Thus the descent into hell suggests that the Son of God carried the sins of the world to hell; or the Son of God carried Good News of deliverance to the godly dead such as Lazarus the beggar and the repentant thief.
Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah
Scripture for Purgatory
Luke 12:58-59; 1 Corinthians 3:15; Mathew 5:25-26 ... temporary agony.
Hebrews 12:6-11 God's painful discipline.
Mathew 12:32 no forgiveness ... nor in the age to come.
1 Peter 3:18-20 might be purgatory (limbo?).
1 Peter 4:6 preached to the dead.
Revelations 21:27 ... nothing unclean shall enter heaven.
Hebrews 12:23 souls in heaven are perfect.
Colossians 1:24; 2 Sam 12:13-14 extra suffering.
2 Macabees 12:43-46 sacrifice for the dead. (not in Protestant Bibles)
2 Timothy 1:15-18 prayer for Onesiphorus for "that Day."
1 John 5:14-17 ... mortal/venial sins
The Catholic Church never teaches that purgatory is a 'place'. It is a 'state' or 'condition' of the soul to be purified before entering Heaven, as nothing undefiled shall enter it. (Rev. 21:27) Besides, it is not measured in days or years or centuries or by time as we commonly understand it. It could be over in a twinkling of an eye. But always, by God's grace. Besides, St. Paul wrote that if our works built on the foundation he built does not survive on Judgment Day, we may suffer loss, although we may be saved still "but only as through fire" (1 Corinthians 3:10). This 'fire' could not be Hell, for why would we still be saved?
@@manuelarbon1665 "The Catholic Church never teaches that purgatory is a 'place'."
*in the first place the Bible NEVER even teaches anything regarding purgatory. I follow the standard of the Bible.
"it is a state or condition of the soul to be purified before entering Heaven......"
*Jesus's sacrifice on the cross, His precious blood already purified and justified us. So what purification are you talking about? What God has cleansed, nothing should be consider unholy. Acts 10:15.
@@manuelarbon1665 "Besides, it is not measured in days or years or centuries or by time as we.......it could be over in a twinkling of an eye"
*so where did this teaching comes from? Your one and only "true church"? Where did they got it from? Go back to the Scriptures and show me your teachings. That's what Paul taught us to do like the Bereans. Acts 17:11
@@manuelarbon1665 "Besides, St. Paul wrote that if our works built on the foundation he built does not survive......"
*You said it yourself, "our works". It does not says "our impurities". Our works will be judged. Anything done not according to God's Sovereign Will will not stand the test of fire and will be burnt away. Nothing here suggest that there is a purgatory or whatever "state" and "condition" we will be in that will burn our impurities away before entering Heaven. JESUS PAID IT ALL! Period!
What is more humble to submit to the Authority of the Church who has worked out its theology for 2000 years or to say “I have the correct interpretation”?
John 10:27
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”
Submitting to the authority of man
Over the word of GOD is
Something only Catholics do .
This way you can abdicate
Responsibility (so they think)
By taking man’s word over anything they can’t deal with biblically.
They reject the totality of the
Sacrifice of JESUS and substitute
Their rituals , their eucharist,
Their devotion to mary,
Their pope,and their statues,
GALATIANS 6:7 “BE NOT DECEIVED GOD IS NOT MOCKED”
@@savedbygrace8337 Absolutely wrong. You do not know anything about what the Church teaches. Please do not spread lies about her.
@@PatrickSteil as an ex catholic I know everything that the “church”teaches.
27 years as a catholic,then I got
Saved by the blood of JESUS.
I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT YOU BELIEVE!
@@PatrickSteil by her do you mean mary?
I asked one of your buddies a question
And he could not answer it,I’ll try you.
Where exactly in the Bible does it say mary
Was immaculately conceived,
And where does it say she was assumpted
Into heaven physically,
By the way an assumption is a guess
With no proof.
I AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE!
Well, faith and logic must come together, blind faith is false.
The first commercial printing press was invented in 1455AD, all books before that time were painstakingly hand copied word for word by scribes in "vellum", a parchment made from animal skins.
When you consider that an animal only has one skin, it is clear that the production of a Bible would require whole flocks of animals. - Considering it also took months to create one copy, its cost would be astronomical to priceless.
For more than 1,000 years (382AD to 1455AD), Catholic monks copied each bible for 15 months of hard labor. The church preserved and protected the bible for centuries.
Except for the clergy and the rich, common men were illiterate for more than 1500 years. It was not easy to be literate if all the books were in church and were in written in Latin. Scripture were heard in church and not read in the bible.
The Bible alone cannot determine the fate of Christianity, because the bible was not around men for most of Christian history.
The 66 version of the bible was created in 1535AD...1,000 years after the 73 book bible
True faith is given by GOD.God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
Can someone answer for me. What are the fundamentals of Christianity?
Faith in Christ
@@albusai What do you mean by "Faith"? :)
Greetings: what a wonderful question "in Christianity there are no fundamentals only the Order that say Believe" but to be in that position you must follow the principal instructions which is written in the word of the principal 'the Creator of Heaven and Earth' by the hand of each everyone who appeared in the word - by the term word I mean the Bible.I give thanks to your positive sense of taking what borders you into consideration for the benefit of your soul.
@@thabisonyawose9364 Hello, thanks for the answer. I am asking - what are the most basic things that one must do to be a Christian?
Love God with all your heart, mind, and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself.
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You're definitely right Catholics need to be evangelized with the Gospel of Jesus Christ! It's the biggest mission field in the world.😊
Whose authority do you submit to?
God's authority. The Catholic Church has none whatsoever.
@@reidmason2551 Agree! But what are we to do when we Christians (human people living on this earth trying to follow God's Authority) disagree on important theological truths about God?
Last time I checked God doesn't have an earthly presence where he tells us what is the correct teaching.
Their own
@@PatrickInCayman Hello Patrick! Patrick here... :)
What did you mean by "Their own"? :)
That’s why he left us the
BIBLE!
The JOURNAL HOME is a Catholic ministry for the hundreds of ex-Protestant Ministers recovering from PTS : a condition of guilt resulting from realizing the lies believed as truth, perpetuated by Reformers and Elightenment Phampleteers who would not reconcile and return the millions stolen from the Catholic Abbeys and Monasteries, confiscated by the Cromwells after demanding the Oath of Supremacy for King Henry 7th. It seems any rebel who shows up at protestant meetings is a hero.
You have a post saying you are a Protestant who admires a catholic priest
Looks like more catholic fantasy!
Jesuits were formed to stop the reformation.the Jesuits are a
Military order masquerading
As priests .
You should read about the
Atrocities they committed In
The name of THEIR GOD.
IGNATIUS LOYOLA.
SHE IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO
DO THE RESEARCH!
Very well said Saved by grace!
As a Catholic, you would know if you are saved by being free from moral sin, confess your sins in the sacrament of penance, with a sincere act of contrition you are reconciled with God and would be in a state of grace....
As a "former" catholic this would be a basic thing that you would know.
"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).
You are saved 1st before you keep the commandments...
And as you say commandments of Jesus, not of pope. Meaning no mariology, no rosary, no indulgence, no pope, no idolatry, purgatory & many more from vatican.
God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
@@savedbygrace8337 “They preach but they do not practice” (Matt. 23:3). Quite evidently Christ, thought that not only what we believe matters, but also how we behave.
The reality is that everything we do all day-all of our work, all of our struggle, all of our blood, sweat, and tears-does matter in eternity.
God did not put us on earth merely to believe and have faith. God put us here on earth to act on our faith.
"This generation honors me with their lips, while their heart is far from me", Matthew 15:1
King James Bible MARK 2:7:
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
@@savedbygrace8337 John 20: 21-23
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. And when he said this, he breathed on them , and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven: if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”
Always with the twisting of the bible with Mike. FYI Mike Grace alone won't save you. Yes we need God,s grace to do anything even draw a breath but you distort the meaning of grace. Faith without works is useless, With grace we can do great things for God s greater glory yet you say these are not necessary. If you truly love God like you say you do WHY would you not wanna do good works to honor him. Just like the RICH MAN who found himself in hell and saw Lazurus the poor beggar whom he saw outside his home but refused to give a slice of bread while he feasted sumptuously
T Wolak, first of all I don't deny what James says in his book that faith without works is dead, but sir that has nothing to do with salvation. You have a misplaced faith in thinking that you must have a zeal for good works. You are misconstruing what I've said. When I say faith alone I mean we are only saved for eternity through Jesus Christ's finished work and nothing else. Please don't take the Bible out of context and stop mixing faith with works. The finished work of Jesus is enough to save and none of our dead works. Ephesians 2:8-9 would do you very well before you read verse 10. Faith alone in Christ alone can't be mixed with human works no matter how good. Read Isaiah 64:6.
@@ericevearitt3317 Then explain to me WHY on judgement day Jesus will turn to the reprobate and say depart from me you cursed into everlasting fire for I was hungry and you gave me no food, thirsty and you gave me no drink. If wirksxste not necessary Why will Jesus condemn you to hell for having NOT done them. YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF .
Nonsense T Wolak! You have no idea what Jesus is saying...
@@ericevearitt3317 Sure I do. You just dont wanna hear him cuz the life you re living is in direct contradiction to what he commands. Unless you eat my FLESH and drink my blood you have no life in you or INHERITANCE in the KINGDOM of God. WHAT COULD BE MORE CLEAR.