Quick, excessively dispiriting Short I had prepared for existential horror month whilst working on bigger things. I've already begun work on EP30 which is good and I also have a Special on the way. That's it, going to keep working now, being very unceremonious, much like this very video.
The Lamenters. Probably the only space marine chapter that has a banner made as a gift from the sororitas, who cried for the chapter all the time while they were making that same banner.
And inscribed on the banner all the Lamenter's achievements, and the name of the greatest on the chapter. Plus only a selected few sororitas were allowed to see and work on the banner. The same standart was anointed and blessed before being returned to the Lamenters.
Wow. You know your misfortunes are way above acceptable when the organization known for purging enemies in fanaticism and flame feels such genuine pity and sympathy for you.
Didn't they cry because the Sisters were thinking of how many "sins" the Lamenters had committed against the Emperor of Mankind for their involvement in the Badab War?
@ Vince Lumontad GW: yes he is not real only the ultra mariners are real all the rest does not exist skaven doesn't exist Malal sons of malice skaven and squats: Just kill us pls GW: never 😈 Horus: hello you want some hot chocolate GW?
Never forget that there's an eternally depressed, borderline suicidal lamenters dreadnought on "permanent" lend to the Deathwatch who thinks his whole chapter is dead and now only feels something when slaughtering xenos in memory of his brothers.
Man i actually feel sorry for the unlucky hive tyrant that crosses that dreadnoughts path. A Black rage induced rampage would look like pacifism in comparison...
@@Onua118 honestly i Could see that happening. It seems that lamenters have shit luck while having full numbers (chapter, company) But absolutely wrecking it when understrength... would be hilarious if they adapt to fight understrength and absolutely destroy everything they come across.
Since this is Warhammer after all, that is entirely possible. In all likelihood, Tzeentch orchestrated the entire cursed foundation and everything the lamenters suffered through.
The part at the Slaughterhouse. The Civilians nodded at the Astartes which then screams: "ACTIVE EXPLOSIVES! GIVE US A QUICK DEATH!" The Civilians are just as sad as the Lamenters which is even more sad because the Lamenters tried to help them..
The fact it’s actually lore about the Slaughter makes it so depressing. The civilians asked for them to blow them up and since it would be better to die than the be enslaved again by the Orks. The Lamenters pleaded to give them a chance at saving them, then after that the Lamenters started to see the situation as helpless and eventually they took on the idea of the civilians. They could’ve of left and bombed the civilians but instead they decided to die with them. The Lamenters are the heroes of the 40k universe idc what anyone says.
So the story of it is sadder. Essentially the humans were slaves to the Orks. The Lamenters then went on a mission to rescue all the humans but after defeating the Orks, they realized their ships didn't have enough capacity to shuttle all the humans. So the humans, who were honestly chads, said something along the lines of "You know what, you've done so much for us, leave us behind, it matters more that you leave". At first the Lamenters were against it, but like most things, the Orks kept on coming and so decided to place explosives in the mines of slaughterhouse and evacuate as many civilians as they could, which was only about 15% of the slaves the Orks had. Eventually blowing the planet up.
@@Rogerv1032 And the reason they did not have enough space in the ships is because nobody expected the lamenters to manage to successfully invade an entire planet full of orcs and free most of the slaves. It was seen as a suicide mission of little importance by other Astartes chapters nearby who had already given up on saving the civilians.
I think the best part is the simple 'Oh' that the Emperor replies with after all that info. He was so utterly crushed by what those poor boys have been put through, even his sharp tongue and wit were blunted for a time.
To be fair the drive is an array of star's trapped in some flimsy magnetic bottles. If you don't understand exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it the consequences are pretty dire: one blip, there is a blinding flash and now your just a cloud of rapidly expanding plasma. I'd be willing to bet the Imperium loses many ships, non-lamenter astartes included, to random preventable drive failures each year given the Admech is basically just a bunch of half trained monkeys.
@@ΕυαγγελοςΠαπαθεοδωρου prays doesnot works with the astronomican the current trone emperor (in the lore) is not gaining power from the prays of the imperium only starchild get that BIG E only survives thanks to psikers souls who he consume in this case the best way to act is give to him a large amount of psykers constantly to keep him funtional or start to workship him has the entidy he is in this case the way of TTS and the third option is and maybe dump is send the ultramarines to use a orks planet capture a bulk of orks makes him workship the throne emperor and convincehim to he can heal himself for the woods he has infact is problably the reaso why throne emp is still alive in 42 because of orks
I just realized that they totally inherited that from Sanguinius. The curse doesn't come from some 21st founding bullshit. It's basically genetic; probably buried deep enough that the Lamenters are the only one it's manifested in so far. Completely baseless, but now my head canon.
Actually according to the 8th edition Codex they survived but got fucked real hard. Last information we got is that they’ve been rebuilding the chapter with primaris
"As if a cabal of fucking wizards put an evil spell on it" "Is that really so unlikely master?" This is a legitimate fucking possibility in the 40k Universe.
@@wither5673 nope, definetly not them, if they were ever to do something like that, then they would target the chapters formed of the legion they really have a hate boner for: the ultramarines,
@@boxtank5288 I mean, he literally exorcised Star-Child from him so he could kill Horus. Holy shit, that means Emps WITH Star Child is like a super powered Santa
I think him excorcising the Star-Child aspect of him lead to him severely mistreating some of his Primarchs which domino'd into the current state of the Imperium. As in he banished it way before the Horus Heresy started in my theory.
What makes the Lamenters extra sad is that they are essentially the universe's punching bag and as a result have been betrayed, battered, pummeled and nearly went extinct. And yet they still fucking try their hardest to protect the people of the Imperium, and never once considered going traitor. They're the perfect example of what a space marine chapter should be.
What they go through normally for any other chapter it would be a glorious Last stand a final battle to be remembered in the halls of glory, for the Lamenters it would just be another Tuesday
Sajad Hoxhaj The Lamenters are still alive, the last bit of lore we got from them is that they got Primaris Marines reinforcements. So their pain will endure.
Forces trying to kill mankind: "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!" Lamenter with one of his arms removed, cocking his bolter with his teeth: "I can do this all crusade."
@@timloth2994 guns dont malfunction without poor maintenance or shitty parts so yeah luck is a piece of the puzzle no matter what you do there is always that one that gets past all quality checks
The sad Lemon boys, one of my favorite chapters due to them trying to be nice, only for the entire universe to beat them down, over over and over again
maybe the Emperor should order the Ultramarines to rescue and then join forces with the Lamenters. Perhaps their ultra-sue powers would counteract the curse, or the curse would tone down the Mary sue powers?
There is one good thing though. Roubute demanded they get Primaris reinforcements, and a ship of Lamenters came back from the Warp, all coalescing together to rebuild the Lamenters. For those we cherish, we die in glory
Did you notice? Before the Sergeant says "Activate explosives", he looks to the two humans to make sure it's what they want and they nod. A good callback to how the ~3 million slaves they were fighting alongside are the ones that made the choice to get blown up rather than die to the Orks. The Lamenters wouldn't have done it if it wasnt what the people they were protecting wanted.
Yep, they were fully prepared to die alongside the slaves they had rescued. But the slaves, not wishing to see their rescuers die such a death, they chose to sacrifice themselves and the planet as the one act they choose to do by their own free will. There is no bittersweet ending however, as when they refused Calgar's medal for what they saw as a failure, everyone else just hated them even more.
@@caseycarroll476 Calgar did understand why they did this, but for most other chapters who were already suspicious of the Lamenters because of them being a Cursed Founding chapter just took this refusal merely as them snubbing Calgar rather than the actual reason they did it.
I don’t think it’s a callback, I think it is when the slaves insisted the Lamenters exterminatus Slaughterhouse III instead of letting them all die alongside them
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 It would be cathartic if Calgar denounced the other chapters for being assholes and give the Lamenters a power hug like he did with Ciaphas Cain just to spite the asshole chapters or make them salty.
Lamenters meeting Chaos Marines must be a bit embarrassing. *snicker* "...And you sold your soul over that?" *snicker* "I DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!"
Lamenters are the true chads. Stacked against the worst luck you could give to a monster slaying space warband, they still retained their humanity and their soul.
There is a lamenters Audio book about a lamenter taken prisoner on a chaos ship after his squad was eradicated. It starts with what one would think to be a kammerspiel in the interigation Chamber And it suddenly becomes a fucking suspensfull horror movie wjen the lamenter goes balistik
This isn't depressing. No no. This shows exactly why the Lamenters are the most heroic, most human of the Space Marine Chapters. Everything thrown at them, brothers betraying them, Tyranid's nomming them, penitent crusades, general hatred against them, and instead of betraying the Emperor or letting themselves get wiped out, they continue to fight against the Emperor's foes and save everyone they can. They can get wiped out to 100 marines, and they'll just rebuild so they can save one more person, over and over and over again. The Lamenters lives are full of hardship and despair, but that's exactly what makes them Heroes: Because despite this, they *will never stop helping people* Also at least in canon the Lamenters survived and got Primaris reinforcements, small miracles.
If I ever make a tabletop Spess Muhreen army my paint scheme's 100% going to be the Lamenters... it also gives me a convenient canon justification for bad rolls.
The Lamenters are one of the greatest chapters in existence. Because no matter how hard the collected galaxy kicks them in their collective blessed gonads, they never back down from their principles of protecting those who cannot protect themselves. Also afaik the only blood angels successor to have shown a considerable resistance to the black rage and red thirst.
Lamenters are my favorite loyalist chapter. Partially because of this, but partially because despite all this, they still haven't given up, they are still loyal, and they are still fighting. To quote "How unlucky I am that this should happen to me. But not at all. Perhaps, say how lucky I am that I am not broken by what has happened, and I am not afraid of what is about to happen. For the same blow might have stricken anyone, but not many would have absorbed it without capitulation and complaint." - Marcus Aurelius
They are the story we need not always the story we wanted. That no matter how dark things get it's possible to keep fighting and moving forward without losing your humanity. Even as a giant genetically engineered super human fighting deamons in super hell.
I was unable to find any details about that, could I get a rundown? Cause I though the lamenters were cured of the red thirst and black rage, and I was unable to find anything about them detonating themselves after succumbing
@@IdontKnow-nm8bz they were, but then they just started getting it again because so that The Lamenters could be lumped into the Blood Angels's Codex as just another recolor of the base chapter with no need for special rules about not having Death Company units or whatever... basicly GW was lazy... and it made Primaras Marines also being cured less special, but then they made Primaras not cured anymore because they realized they could sell more models that way.
@@IdontKnow-nm8bz Slaughterhouse III was an Ork mining world with a lot of human slaves which the Lamenters fought to liberate. It was actually the freed slaves that requested that the planet be exploded and they be given a quick death, since they knew that the Lamenters couldn't get them all off and they wanted to thank them for what they did- and deny the Orks the world. The Lamenters did manage to transport humans off world before the charges were detonated, but not many. The Lamenters were actually offered an Iron Halo for their feat, since it was a huge blow to the Orks, but due to the number of civilian deaths, they refused that honour, leading to more disdain in the eyes of other chapters. A lot of marines did succumb to the black rage and red thirst during the battle but that was not the cause of the detonation. Read the non-summarized version here warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Lamenters
@@alisonpurgatory85 Marneus Calgar, fortunately, recognized exactly why they turned it down, so at least the Chapter master knows their nature, and respected them fully, as they deserve. Unfortunately, the majority of rank and file Ultramarines, considerably more snobby (as you basically have to be the top elites in academics and fitness to make candidacy, and who know themselves as a famous byword for courage, honor, and ideal astartes) saw this as moral arrogance and egotism.
3 years from now Vulcan: Father! I have come to rescue you! AND CONTINUE HUGGIN MY BROFER! Emperor: Never mind that you insufferably joyous idiot. I need you to go and hug every Lamenter still alive.
The video isn't WHY they are cursed, but more on HOW they are cursed. I believe the Lamenters are the 40k version of 'No good deed goes unpunished' personified. The 40k universe is so grimdark that it will literally curse anyone that dares be a hero or make things better.
Now we need an episode of the Lamenters being saved at the last moment by the Emperor and *ALL GOOD* relatives they have. Then being hugged, they deserve it.
@@spongeyspikes09 that and their chapter is presented with official Aquilla emblems to wear as personal heraldry in recognition of their service to the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole. Something tiny and slightly pathetic, but still nice, like getting that thumbs up and approval from dad that you've always strived for, but never been able to achieve
Comment by TheRiolumon, 5 months ago on Lamenters by StringStorm Emperor: So who are these Lamenters I keep hearing about? Kitten: Oh the Lamenters? They are a chapter who are descended from the Blood Angels. Emperor: From my sweet boy Senguiny. Kitten: Y-yes. They are a bit of a.... well they are not exactly a very loved chapter. Rumors circulated around them have gone so out of hand it’s damaged their reputation among the other chapters. They believe they are cursed because they have had what you would call in your words my lord “extreme shit luck”. They have been decimated time and time again. It’s a miracle they even survived for so long. Emperor: I don’t want any of that double standard bs from my other children who literally throw their own ships at their enemies just to get that kamikaze kill. Had turn on eye camera film while banana head was speaking looking at them right now and they just look like total lemon boys. Though seeing as their names are “Lemon-tors” makes sense. Kitten: Yeah but here is the thing my lord. Despite the rumors of them being cursed they are one of the most kindest chapters in the imperium second only to the salamanders. They have been known to fly to isolated civilian colonies and fight till their dying breath that every civilian is evacuated from the xeno invaders. Emperor: so the lemon boys are trying to make up for the rumors with their actions. Unsurprising. But not unappreciated. Kitten: I agree my lord. There was one battle where they were left alone by another chapter called the “Mortifactors” during the 9th black crusade on corellia. Claiming that they don’t want to be anywhere near these “cursed” individuals. Emperor: I’m gonna put a pin in that chapter topic for now and just say that sounds like a really fucking edgy chapter. Also. I understand that if the space marines value their life as I do not wish for any of them to die recklessly for me, Except maybe those fucking smurfs. But leaving another chapter of brothers alone to fight a whole crusade by themselves over some fucking bad luck is just fucking despicably cowardly. So what happened to the lemon boys? Kitten: They fought like it was their last battle, making sure every civilian was safe. It was said that for every marine that died. A family was saved or an orphan, and 10 demons died with the said killed marine. It wasn’t until the white scars and the ultramarines came to save the day turning the tide. Emperor: Because the only way to win a losing battle is to use cheats like the fucking smurfs do. Kitten: After the battle only a hundred of the Lamenters were left, their entire chapter was there and they were devastated by the ensuing battle. They were soon to be called the “yellow pawns” as a reference to their check board on their shoulder pads and them of course being colored yellow. Emperor: I gotta say them some ballsy pawns for fighting off those chaos spawns and heretics. Kitten: Though after the battle they left the planet, but soon ended up being in a warp drift on their way home and didn’t appear till thousands of years later. Not only did they survive the warp fighting their whole way back tooth and nail. but they still had enough marines to rebuild their chapter to full strength. Emperor: It’s as if these lemon boys are like the polar opposites of the smurfs. Instead of winning every battle without any casualties these marines nearly lose every battle with high as fuck casualties. Still I can not deny that they do a very good job at what they do and should say I am very proud of them trying so hard to prove them selves. Still I think they should be cut a break now. Because the way they literally sacrifice themselves for the imperium every battle is just fucking depressing. I want you to message their chapter master and tell them to recall all lemon boys. And instead have these Mortifuckers start doing their jobs till the lemon boys have proper time to rest and boost their stats and maybe even have some peace and quiet. See how they like it when being put on “baby protect and/or be killed” duty. And if any of them think of disobeying they will not only be threatened as a traitor of the whole of imperium but there' entire chapter will be excluded. I do not fucking care what they do before. They need to be punished for not only abandoning the people of me, but also being total pussies and leaving their own brothers to defend themselves. Kitten: eerhmm my lord is that wise? Emperor: I’m the mother fucking emperor. I have the will and authority. Besides, anyone who bullies my favorite son’s kids needs a royal spanking, and if the parents won’t do it then I fucking will. Kitten: as you wish my lord. Emperor: So, what happened after they came back from the warp? Kitten: Oh boy. nervous To be Continued....
Just notice that in the slaughterhouse scene the Lamenters first look at the slaves just freed and after they nod they call in the bombardment, and then the pair of slaves go and comfort each other. That hit hard.
It's one of the cooler bits of Badab War fluff for sure. They participated in an Imperial crusade together with several other notable Chapters, including the Ultramarines themselves, and volunteered to raid an important production-planet in the Ork empire they were wrecking (in order to pre-empt a WAAAGH!). Calgar said they wouldn't get any support since it was so far behind enemy lines, they said OK and went on ahead. Bing bang boom, typical marine stuff went down, and then they found themselves faced with a real dilemma. Ork reinforcements were pouring in, and the planet they were on had tons of slave labourers on it. They ended up fighting of multiple waves of Ork counter-attackers both in space and on the ground, before being asked to leave by the remaining un-evacuated slaves who didn't want the Lamenters to get wiped out for their sake. So the survivours fought their way free, detonating the mines and killing those left behind. On limping back to the main crusade forces, Calgar was mightily impressed by their heroism and wanted to give them an iron halo in an elaborate ceremony - not just a rare piece of wargear, but an incredible honour to receive one of the highest merits from one of the highest-ranked people in the Imperium. The Lamenters declined the honour (near unprecedented as declining it was), because they felt they hadn't earned it nor lived up to their own ideals. Predictably, this earned them even more critics and even more suspicion, as people in the crusade and well beyond interpreted it as an open insult to Calgar - made even more insulting considering the exalted status of the Ultramarines and the low status of the Lamenters (a Cursed Founding Chapter who only participated in the crusade because the Ultramarines had saved them at Corillia 2000 years earlier).
It's a better fate than those chapters that get bullied and die once never to be heard from again. You know those chapters no one has ever heard in Black Library/Warhammer Community stories. They got about the same chances of the rich, jerk jock of surviving a horror movie.
@@Crexman501 *Sanguinius:* "WRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY!!!!!" **Brutally starts laying into Tzeentch with a Flurry of Chainsword, Fists and razor sharp feathers from his wings.**
I like to think Tzeentch has it out for the Lamenters because if they were left on their own they would be too powerful, just think about it they survived being dragged to the Warp for a hundred years their chapter master can go into the black rage and back, they fought two massive forces(Orks and 'nids) that can kill planets they got fuck over multiple times, but they're still loyal to the emperor THAT is what makes them strong in my eyes that despite having the worst luck and being called cursed they still fight for the innocents and for the emperor
*"For those we cherish, we die in Glory!"* -Lamentor Warcry The lamentors are too pure for this galaxy. They serve and still serve the Imperium even after all that has happened to them. They are true heros of the Imperium.
This is an SCP reference, but it fits the Lamenters so incredibly well that I have to applaud you quoting this. "For those we cherish, we die in glory!" and "We die in the dark so that you can live in the light." Are such Lamenter phases that I'm now headcanoning in a Lamenter Marine isekainging into the SCP universe, only for them to eventually become the head of security/ the head of an MTF battallion in the universe, not because of their abilities but because of their spirit.
The Lamenters existence in 40k isn't about surviving one more day to have hope for a better tomorrow, it's about surviving one more day because that's about the biggest middle finger you can give in a universe where everything is destined to die.-Some Random Guy.
It's actually *not*, which is the most insane thing about them. Despite getting absolutely shat on at every turn, the Lamenters are, BAR NONE, the nicest and most heroic space marines out there. Even the Salamanders take second place to these guys. They are the heroes 40k absolutely DOES NOT deserve, and it hates them for it.
Any time somebody doesn't get that 40k isn't really meant to be taken seriously, I point out that the only unambiguous good guys in the setting are subject to ceaseless cosmic kicks in the balls, and that their symbol is a literal bleeding heart.
So here's a quick contextual synopsis for each little scene: 1) During the 9th Black Crusade, they came to the defense of Corillia, but the other chapter stationed there, the Mortifactors, were deeply superstitious and just kinda... abandoned them. The Lamenters took devastating casualties and were reduced to a force ~200 strong until finally relieved by Ultramarine and White Scars reinforcements. 2) On their way back from Corillia they got caught in a warp storm and _had to fight their way out of the Warp._ 3.1) 300 Marines liberated the planet Slaughterhouse III from the Orks and were evacuating 3 million slaves, but a reinforcement fleet of Orks came and they didn't have enough resources or time to save most of them. The Lamenters planned on fighting to the last to save the planet's people, but at the behest of the liberated population, the Lamenters instead detonated subterranean seismic charges to deny the Orks the planet, its resources, and the labor force inhabiting it. This depressed the Chapter so severely they turned down an Iron Halo from Marneus Calgar, because they felt like they had lost the fight for Slaughterhouse III. Which a lot of Imperium factions misunderstood as some sort of snub against Calgar, so they became even more hated than they already were by merit of being part of the Cursed Founding. 4) While escorting a Rogue Trader, their ship just randomly suffered a drive failure that scuttled it and the crash killed most of the marines on that mission. Most of the survivors were press-ganged into the Deathwatch, and the rest could only serve in some auxiliary capacity alongside other chapters. 5) During the Badab War, they sided with the Astral Claws, who were their honor-bound brethren, and _believed_ they were fighting for the autonomy of the Adeptus Astartes from the greater Imperium (what really was happening was that the Astral Claws were corrupted by Chaos. You might now know them as the Red Corsairs). They largely kept to themselves, being generally unwilling to wage full-scale war against fellow Imperium forces. The Minotaurs had no such compunctions, scuttled the Lamenters' chapter barge, and after a grueling 17 hour siege, defeated the Lamenters through brutality and numbers, and looted the shit out of the Lamenter's wargear. Maybe 300 Lamenters survived to the end of the Badab War. 6) Because their involvement in the civil war was a misunderstanding and they surrendered upon learning what happened to the Astral Claws, the Lamenters actually were pardoned. So instead of the chapter being dissolved and the marines all put to death, they would be forced to go on a 100 year penitent crusade. During which they would not be allowed to recruit more Marines. Remember that they are at
my friend painted a lamenters army for the table top, he is a brilliant painter/model kitbasher, but paints were too thickly applied, parts went missing heads broke off tanks ended up chewed on by the dog he dropped his dreadnaught down the stairs and just about every model met misfortune through imperfect painting or getting damaged COINCIDENCE?
Just a reminder for everyone. The Lamenters became stranded in the warp for one hundred years with just a little around 200 Astartes left. They then proceeded to fight their way out of the Warp and back to the Materium, at which point the Inquisition found no evidence of chaos corruption amongst any of them. The Lamenters are the most loyal chapter of Astartes and those Smurfs can go suck on rocks. These yellow boys deserve the Smurf's fortune.
@@shubzilla755 Krieg fight and die for repentance, Lamenters fight and die because its the right thing to do. Theres things in 40k that aren't kriegsmen lmao
The bargain Papa Smurf made to make the Ultramarines into the greatest/luckiest/plot armoriest chapter around clearly did so by stealing ALL the luck from the Lamenters.
@@rileysimpson6536 I would say the Lamenters are the only Space Marine Chapter the Death Corp could ever truly respect. No other chapter has known the depths of HUMAN despair like them and still stood with humanity. Either a chapter has evaded fates that would break them that hard, been outright destroyed, or fallen to Chaos. They are rather ironically the best metaphor for humanity in W40K: mercilessly assailed from all sides, hated universally (as often for reasons beyond their control as not), constantly savaged, constantly whittled away, yet NEVER, EVER broken.
Its really sad cause the video implies all of these events were seen by one Marine. Thats why the main marine in all these stories lose more and more limbs as the stories continues.... Poor guys. Just give them a hug
Considering he lost all his limbs and the story ended in the belly of a Tyranid, I don't think his company's coming back from that one, unfortunately. Probably why E started crying instead of doing something, that company is already long gone.
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 if it gives you some closure, when the great Emperor rises again your fallen brothers will be alongside him with all the other brothers fallen in the line of duty. Guided by Celestine to the star child where their souls are at rest until the Emperor’s one last crusade calls upon them to vanquish all foes.
@@sirshotty7689 They shall be of the first Space Marines ever converted to Custodes, and the founders of the 2nd founding of Companions to serve under the direct command of the Emperor.
*You're missing the whole point of the Lamenters: they suffer all these disasters and betrayals, and they're still the good guys.* Any other chapter would have fallen to chaos, gone renegade, or disbanded in despair. Lamenters know their lives are tragic and doomed, and they choose to be who and what they are anyway, laying down their lives for those they cherish. If any single chapter could legitimately be "the greatest of them all," it is the Lamenters. If any chapter could claim to have my "spiritual liege" within its ranks, it would be the Lamenters.
Add to that that the Lamenters are one of the only chapters that could actually be called “good guys” in a universe that isn’t complete gone to hell and where just about everyone is some flavor of evil. Like...them, the Salamanders, and the Celestial Lions maybe? Maybe the current wolves, but only in a Byronic hero seeking redemption sort of way if at all. Most of the Space Marines are heroes by comparison to Chaos and Orks and Tyranids and Necrons....the Lamenters are legitimately heroic.
I don't think the Grey Knights would ever go renegade. But yes, I guess I'm saying that the Lamenters have the same unshakable faith as the Grey Knights.
@@Andrewza1 No, they aren't real: the in-lore thing was that the Celestial Lions chapter pissed off the Inquisition after they complained about the civilian deaths, the Inquisition called up some Vindicares to kill the command structure and Apothecaries, then chalked up the mass casualties as "Ork snipers" while making the whole thing an implicit threat to any Chapter that bitched about them killing civilians.
Abandoned by the Mortifactors Chapter, dragged in by a Warp Storm, Fighting off overwhelming Nurgle Zombies, consumed by the Black Rage, beaten up by the Minotaurs, suffered Casualities from malfunctioning ship, being declared Excommunicate Traitories and given a crusade of penetance by the Crippled High Lords, and being consumed by the Tyranids, especially that guy being devoured by the Red Terror. Out of all Space Marine Chapters, the Lamenters has got to be the most unluckiest Space Marine Chapter of the 21st Cursed Founding. I feel sorry for them...
Minotaurs aren't that bad when compared to the Carcharodons. [The Minotaurs honorably allowed the wounded marines to live, the space sharks would have executed any wounded lamenter.]
@@bgcvetan then why did the carcharadons leave the mantis warriors alive? The only Lamenters that survived the siege against the minotaurs were the ones that couldn’t fight.
The Emperor should recall the Lamenters back to him. Since he has removed the unlimited powers of the High Lords he can recall them. They are true Sons of his Hawk Boy and should be saved and restored by his grace and power.
i think he has a new item for the Top 5 of his list of "things to do when i get off this fucking throne"-"devote several centuries of my available time to analyzing and ameliorating whatever's causing their horrific luck, adopt them as "suffering kindred"
*on their route to terra they get lost in the warp again for hundreds of years before eventually making it out *when they arrive on terra the warp rift the emperor was suppressing opens and the Lamenters (previously decimated by being lost in the warp have to fight a demon invasion on terra)
Man, the luck of the Lamenters is really bad: - Be abandoned by your brothers in a cruxial moment during an invation - Get lost in space for random chance, and fight the equivalent of chaos when Heaven and Hell collide for a century - Go back to reality, just to contage yourself with the equivalent of Corona, The Black Death, and Vampirism, so you nuke yourself to save your entire people, if not the entire galaxy - Survive so when you are recovering in your ship, the mainframe gets fucked and self destroys itself in Emperor knows where - Land in a planet, have most of your body replaced by machinery, and make a last stand to protect the empire's will, just to get your balls kicked and get mauled into unconciousness (by your own people, no less) - Recover it so the High Lords legally decree you as cursed, and be forced to either fight for another century or get a bolt to the head, so you accept because you love your people and wish to protect them - And finally get eaten by a oversized bug who leaves you limbless, your armor pierced, and bleeding The sad part is the very same Marine who suffers all this is the same from the beginning to the end. The only worst thing I can imagine is that he is the one who is forced to rebuild the chapter over and over and over and over again.
And YET they are still going on and kicking asses. Becouse remember - they are still Space Marines. If someone kicked their asses so hard, but they are still there fighting, then they had to somehow win. Just IMAGING how hard were asses of the thing that tried to kicked their asses kicked.
The irony about the mortifactors abandoning the lamenters? They saw in the tarots that a catastrophy will haunt them and they assumed it´ll be because of the lamenters. Little did they know it was a fucking eldar host sneaking a damn webway gate right in their monastery! Karma bit the Mortifactors for abandoning the good bois. It bit them HARD. Though knowing those guys they just went "LOOKS LIKE ELDARS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!" then murdered and ate them.
...maybe we're seeing his weeping spirit right before similarly-weeping emps drags him out of the warp in an attempt to FORCE the universe to give some of the people he actually LIKES/genuinely respects even without his empathy, a SINGLE,measly little break without the indecisive mollusk fucking with it?
Actually, there is a Lamenters dreadnought in the Deathwatch that genuinely believe he is the last Lamenters alive (sorta), so his only joy in life is to kill in the memory of his bretherns before going back to sleep.
Lamenters: Talking peacefully about the nature of Astartes autonomy and respect, making no harmful actions but taking a stance against a major issue peacefully, with words. Minotaurs: Flying, jump pack assisted, power armoured boot to the balls, then a collective group beating of the downed marine by overzealous maniacs with greater numbers, better gear, and no pulled punches or holds barred. This is the single most accurate depiction of both the Lamenters, and the Minotaurs Chapters, ever made, and a near perfect retelling of their involvement in the Badab war.
My favourite part if it all, that despite the fact that they were outnumbered, they still inflicted very heavy casualties on them before they were forced to surrender. Keep in mind, the Minotaurs specialise in fighting other Astartes, so if the outnumbered and outgunned Lamenters were able to inflict heavy losses upon them, then imagine if the Unlucky bois were at full chapter strength!
@@Commodore22345 I think you're missing the point as well. They weren't looking to be independent of the general Imperial Hierarchy, they thought, at least from what I read, that the INQUISITION was looking to put them under their boot, not the boot of the Imperium at large. Also please tell me you're not on the side of the Inquisition for the Months of Shame? They're the ones who got themselves in that situation in the first place. The Space Wolves didn't even start the fighting until the Inquisition ambushed the fleet of the Space Wolf when they claimed they just wanted to negotiate.
@@Commodore22345 I understand what you are saying, but you have to see where they are coming from their own point of view. They are super humans created by the God Emperor to be physically and mentally superior to your standard human. To be under the command of simple fallible human would be a slap in the face for a fair few of them. As far as they are concerned only the Emperor or their progenitor Primarch would have the right to command them to do anything. Also, again, it was by will of the Emperor that Astartes be separate from the other military forces. It's why the Astra Militarum and the Adeptus Astartes are separate entities. And last of all, chapters do listen to the Munitorum a lot of the time. Who do you think placed the Lamenters at the Malestrom in the first place? The Lamenters would have definitely preferred to hang out at the fringes of the galaxy where there were no Tyranids, Orks or Chaos in the first place. It's mostly the First Founding chapters that have this attitude of request not demand in the first place as well... or chapters with an ego as great as the Founding chapters in the firs place.
The Lamenters still exist - some apparently survived their ordeal with Hive Fleet Kraken by some bloody *miracle.* The Chapter was later reinforced by a batch of Primaris, who would have looked up to the survivors as veterans and commanding officers. I somehow doubt that they'll get further referenced in the lore so that's as close to a "good ending" for those guys as we are going to get. Certainly by the standards of chapters derived from Blood Angel stock, their care and compassion for the common folk of the imperium is unrivaled. Naturally, they are probably tied in the empathy department with the Salamanders and some of their successor chapters.
@@mynamejeef7166 At least there are now 2 proper chapters fighting against them, I just hope that they don't leave them behind like those other assholes that I forgot their name did
I want a Warhammer game based around the lamenters. You could quite literally make a survival horror game with how unique and unorthodox their experiences are, and there is no other chapter who really understands. They deserve some spotlight!
@@angelofthedead1886 That is definitely a possibility, or like halo reach. The plot twist of the game would have the the players thinking "Maybe in the next chapter, it will get better for the lamenters." , but actually.... SOMEHOW.... gets ten times worse.
Easiest difficulty is ultramarine with extra ammunition and save points. Normal difficulty is dark angels. Hard is black Templar with limited ammo and save points. Super hard is lamentors with extremely limited ammo and no save points.
The worst part is that this is only the highlight reel, and only briefly covers their Lamenters' Luck, which is a constant, daily occurrence. Weapons with perfect maintenance will jam or malfunction, armor seals will breach, doors will stick, vehicles will stall... and all at the worst possible moment. Or, as shown here, your starship's drive core will suddenly lose containment.
Strength comes in many shades and if I'm being honest I believe the lamenters have strength rarely seen not only in 40k but in literature in general. Misery and misfortune cling to them like parasites desperately trying to push them into despair. They have every reason to give in and abandon the imperium that hates them and the God that's seemingly forgotten them yet they never sway in their loyalty. Meanwhile you have lesser chapters betraying because "words" because "guilt" and all the other raw excuses for weakness. The lamenters have an entire ocean of pain and reasons to give in, yet they don't. That is strength beyond what many can even comprehend.
they're... prettymuch the personification of the imperial guard at their finest, if you think about it? horrifically outgunned, outnumbered and constantly suffereing against foes they can barely fight, if at all- yet time and time again, they stand, grit their teeth, and HOLD THE FUCKING LINE UNTILL THEY DIE STANDING UP
So not only was Sanguinius killed, his sons are pretty much in eternal torment in their eternal crusade to serve the imperium. Yeah, I can see how this is dark, but at the same time. They do a better fucking job than most other chapters.
how are they still alive, whilst the MM's havent been "accidentally exposed to corrupting influence requiring their extermination" after all these millenia? :(
Their problem is simple. They follow the original teachings of the emperor and his will to the letter. They oftenly engage in last stands even for the smallest of lives. Their missfortune is the product of their sheer kindness and (honestly) bad tactical decisions for the sake of helping and saving others. Sometimes they got unlucky. But mostly they got destroyed because they made decisions even other of the kindest chapters wouldnt have. They are a bulkwark against terror. They embody Sanguinius kindness and love.
I feel like that's dumbing down the bad luck a lot. Other chapters have similar attitudes, but they get chances to recover. The two seperate catastrophic ship failures thing alone is clearly meant to say: "hey, these guys are fucked". Stuff like that doesn't happen to the Salamanders or Space Wolves.
Their ship suffered a drive failure. Not going through the warp, not a warp drive failure, a regular flying through space drive failure that destroyed the whole ship. That's practically unheard of and it happened to them.
Pretty pissed if I were him. To him these " space marines " could also be his sons beside his primarchs. And he would be quite piss when some dickhead make groups of ur sons to condemn another groups to death just because they care about the citizens and will die protecting them and have one of the worst luck. It like rather than help a members of ur family to stand up after a fall, you pick up a bat and break both of their legs just because they are "weak" to fall over like that.
@@natanlopes5254 I think it's referring to the Celestial Lions. An Astarties chapter that has been driven to the edge of extinction by an Inquisitor. The Lions spoke out against the Inquisitor after he exterminautus a planet that the Lions JUST liberated from chaos worshipers. The Inquisitor didn't take kindly to that so he ordered for them to be covertly destroyed. The Celestial Lions are much like the Lamenters in that they are one of the genuinely honorable and heroic chapters. Who have a constant stream of shit poured into their heads.
@@Manfromthenorth0551 Didn't the Inquisition essentially sabotage and assassinate Celestial Lions eventually during an Ork invasion to the point they were down to, like, a squad? Was it the Iron Fists or the Black Templars that took them in?
“The imperium quickly disintegrated after the emperor stopped powering the astronomicon, and spent the remainder of his physic power on finally giving the lamenters some good luck.” Terran Remembrancer, circa 40,100
Thomas takes a toll for the dark 42,001. TTS is using the Ynead stuff. Can’t wait to see Gulliman get up,look around,and show everyone where Calgar gets his Ultra Fuckin’ Depression from.
And for the first time since being able to communicate with this godforsaken mockery of everything he tried to create, the Emperor wept. He wept for the one chapter of his grandchildren that, despite so much being stacked against them, lived to be everything he ever expected his Space Marines to be. The one chapter that, perhaps even more then the Salamanders, truly are his Space Marines. *Immediately After/Not Fucking Canon* *the moment the Emperor managed to stop weeping* "Bring them back." "Sir?" "I said, Bring. Them. Back. Call the astropath, tell them to come home, and tell those Cow Marines to give them their stuff back. How did we end up with those guys anyway?"
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 it's a top priority Marine! The Man-Emperor asks for your return so your unyielding loyalty may be rewarded! Come home brothers, you've earned yourselves one hell of a vacation
"For example, the Space Sharks." "I believe they prefer to be called the Carcharodons." "They are Space Sharks." "But..." "If they didn't want to be called as such they would have chosen a chapter name that wasn't an Old Terran word for a 'shark'." "Fair point." "Anyway, the Space Sharks. Who told them they could leave the galaxy and patrol the darkness of space?" "I do not know my Emperor." "So they made the decision themselves?" "Yes. Maybe. I don't know I never cared to look into it." "That is both a brilliant display of initiative and a terrible example of not doing as you're told. I specifically said that the Imperium would encompass this galaxy first and we never even covered all of it."
@@WhiteManOnCampus They basically imply in the books they are a cross between loyalist Night Lords and Raven Guard who pissed Corax off somehow and were told to go live int he dark forever being useful.
It's a powerful statement that, The Minotaurs, the chapter actively stomping and slaughtering The Lamenters showed them the most love and respect out of all other chapters.
@@DM-Oz They spared them. Minotaurs do not spare their enemies. They only accept the total annihilation of their opposition. So the fact that the Minotaurs brought them back to Terra after their surrender for a trial by the High Lords is them showing the Lamenters more love and respect than they do to other renegades chapter. Also, the Minotaurs also said that they forgave the Lamenters for fighting them.
@@quanghuynguyen7957 Also, the Lamenters did better against the Minotaurs than most chapters would like they were outnumbered and actively restraining themselves against arguably one of the most powerful SM chapters.
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 the Minotaurs aren’t particularly powerful, they’re just opportunistic. They mostly fight by jumping undermanned successor chapters while they themselves are operating at full chapter strength and running away once any of the big boy chapters shows up to slap their shit. They outright can’t operate in Ultramarine space because they’re listed as “kill on sight”, there’s no way they could fuck with any of the Dark Angel successors without bringing the full fucking legion down on their heads, the Black Templars would rip their assholes out through their tear ducts, the White Scars consider them speed bumps, the Blood Ravens stole all their fancy shit, the Space Wolves are the Emperor’s REAL executioners and would teach those pups a lesson, and the less said about what the Blood Angels would do to them the better. They’re pay to win noobs who have to rely on their high lord sugar daddies to not get their shit stomped by the chapters who do actual work
I think the decision to detonate the charges on Slaughterhouse III being made by the prisoners makes the outcome even more meaningful. The Lamenters were trying to protect civilians, and were willing to damn themselves in the process. No price was too high for them to bear, not even being lost to the Black Rage. The prisoners repaid their protectors in the only way they could. They gave them a quick and glorious death.
You were not joking, this was actually depressing. *laments* P.S. I’m now convinced you can land any tone: humorous, silly, sarcastic, epic, heroic, dark and now outright depressing. Emperor bless you for your talent and work. And the voice crew of course.
Didn't feel any depressing at all in this one. What got me though is when emps was reading Dorn the bedtime story and he says "Those are two of Guilliman's favorite things" as he's passing out. It starts to rain just a little. Felt like he was holding back tears. Looking back on it now, it actually looks more like snow and I don't know how to feel about that.
maybe the Emperor should order the Ultramarines to rescue and then join forces with the Lamenters. Perhaps their ultra-sue powers would counteract the curse, or the curse would tone down the Mary sue powers?
"As if a cabal of fucking wizards put an evil spell on it" "Is that really so unlikely, Master?" I fucked died at this exchange. Made me crack up so hard.
@@lupvirga- *Black Templar Deathwatch Marine in civilian clothing appears and shows the Inquisitorial Sign* - Did you say Iron Fists? Don't you mean *IMPERIAL FISTS* citizen?
With a checkerboard pattern on their pauldrons, to really drive home the point that no one will ever play as them since they're too difficult to paint right
"The space marines carry a terrible curse." "That's bad" "But they come with free primaris!" "That's Good!" "The primaris are also cursed." "Can I go crusade now?"
My personal headcannon for the Lamenters is that they where so freaking Noble that they inspired the imperium to work together more and kicked loads of ass. Therefor Chaos devoted a huge amount of resources to stamping them out/ making sure that timeline never comes about. But as I said they are true sons of Sanguineous, they fight, they fall, they get beaten down, but the NEVER lose hope. This lets them rise again and again.
Look up the Afriel Strain - apparently it's an unwritten rule of the 40k universe that 'trying to make artificial perfection leads to bad luck.' and albinisim.
2:36; The emperor’s sorrow is especially potent given that they’re Sanguinius’s gene-sons. In TTS at least its consistently shown that because of his sacrifice Sanguinius is the emperor’s most beloved, or at least most missed, son. I think TTS Emps loves all his sons (except for FUCKING HORUS...and that with good reason) in some capacity...there was an entire absence of an episode about it. But its easiest for him to express his love and attachment and particularly mourning for Sanguinius because of how he died. “A father should not outlive their children.” So seeing that a group of Sanguinius’s gene-sons has been shafted so hard, half by fate (FUCK YOU TZEENTCH) and half by the Imperium itself is just an incontrovertible measure of misery for him. That it all started with pointless superstition, something Big E has a particular disdain for only compounds the factor (to clarify, had other chapters not treated them like shit so often because they were “cursed”, they might not have ended accidentally latching on to the wrong side in the Badab War and thus screwed over by the Minotaurs and put on a penitent crusade). Its just everything about the Lamenters is just everything he hated about old believes affecting his Imperium coupled with the fucking Chaos Gods to fuck over some of his favorite son’s sons. In related news, I’d say Emperor help the Inquisition (he won’t) if Dorn hear’s a word about what happened to the Celestial Lions, but the Inquisition’s already been blasted to kingdom come. On the other hand, the Officio Assassinorum has no such defense, and they did let themselves be tools of the inquisition. So...anyone have the foam to watch Dorn go apeshit?
Does every sci-fi universe have that cast? Halo has it. Spartan-IIIs: disposable superheroes, trading lives for time. Send in a battle company of a few hundred to take out a high priority target. Suicide charge.
@@TimeCircleBlue nah, sci fi universes are actually pretty diverse. I mean, take the hypertechnological, pacifist federation from Star Trek, the space crisaders with space wizards fighting space heretics of 40k, the ancap Starship Troopers and the ones i dont know, you'll find they're all a but different
@@TimeCircleBlue for instance, Krieg as a concept is unique to 40k, "service guarantees citizenship" to ST, poorly defined magic and technology on a massive scale to Star Wars, being extremely derivative but still nice to Starcraft, etc
Nah. It's like watching a less funny roadrunner montage. You know the anvil is coming, you're not sure exactly what it will look like, and the setup is dumb enough that the character's suffering is detached from the human experience.
As a fan of big friendly guys from Salamanders chapter, I just want to hug these guys, just let them cry and shout. They suffered many shit in life and so they just need someone, who can support them and heal their pain of being unlucky. They tried so hard and that's... That is unfair, y'know. Emperor, please, bless and protect them... Guide them to the fate, they REALLY deserve...
That actually is depressing.... Welp, in honor of the Lamenters: "For those we cherish, we die in Glory!" And now, I go cry a bit.... because fuck it is depressing to think about.
Keep in mind, people. This is the asshole compassionless half of the Emperor. And even he cries over the Lamenters' fates. For those we cherish, we die in glory.
The Lamenters, i believe, are the epitomy of the loyal Chapters. Look at how much shit they've gone through, how many of their prayers go unanswered. Yet they stand firm in their loyalty to the Imperium. No matter how many times they've been nearly wiped out, no matter how many times the universe conspires against them, they stand for their beliefs, and they stand for the Imperium. So many others have turned to Chaos for far less than the Lamenters have suffered. But they remain loyal. Personally i think they should come join us. But you gotta respect the guys, for all the shit they suffer, they don't break.
But... doesn't that prove they're actually the toughest Chapter of all? They keep getting knocked down; beaten, broken, but they STILL haven't given up. You ask me, they're cursed with absurd circumstantial misfortune, but blessed with incredible resolve and dedication. They're damned heroes. And they deserve at least to be told as much.😭
@@DatCameraMON There is a lamenters dreadnaught that’s been put on as a permanent member of the deathwatch, who believes he is the last of his chapter left alive.
Nah, I think the ultrasmurfs got it. Gotta say, though, Cain + Lamenters on an adventure would be fucking outstanding. People tend to forget that Cain's luck cuts both ways - he gets out of some unreasonable shit, but he also ends up in the middle of like three unrelated plots simultaneously. Him along with the Lamenters would pretty much guarantee whatever they were doing immediately went wrong, but Lamenter tenacity plus Cain's ability to luckily unfuck himself would be amazing to see combined.
@@halykan It'd be a Red Letter Day where the Lamenters only take a SINGLE casualty instead of 2/3s their entire fucking chapter thanks to Cain EXPERTLY (Read: Accidentally) catching the Gellar Field Failure before it could kick in and set up an excellent stopgap (Read: Duct Tape and Glue) that the Astropaths can get the ship out of the Warp, the one casualty being from a seperate failure taking out the lights in the room.
@@darthlazurus4382 we might like to flay people alive and user their screams to jam transmissions (actual thing that happened) but we are not so heartless that we don’t feel sorry for the lamenters.
TTS Canon Confirmed: Emps is gonna help the Lamenters, and finally do something that rewards his truly most loyal followers and recognizes the one noblebright spark in the Imperium that outshines even the Astronomican.
For all the chapters that turned traitor because of tragedy, the Lamentors have taken punishment far worse, and still continue to fight for the Empirium and its people. And I freaking love them for that.
Since Sanguinius is the Emperor's favorite Primarch, he probably treats the Blood Angels and most of their successors as his favorite Chapters. I can understand why he'd be really sad to hear what happened to the Lamenters, one of the few actually nice Space Marine chapters.
@@MattManDX1 Certainly pre-Heresy, that's true. I think the Emperor's opinions have shifted since then, given how well TTS Emperor speaks of his beloved winged boy.
Sanguinius is in 40k heaven along with col. Corbec and Bob the Ogryn, well, or at least Dante saw him giving him a cheers up to keep going after fighting to near-death against the Swarmlord at the end of the Devastation of Baal. 40k is such an unfair universe even BL authors feel like they need to give their good characters something better than "and his soul dissipated into oblivion in the warp" or "got his soul eternally tortured by daemons". Interestingly Age of Sigmar also give hints on this matter, firs off yes, it appears thanks to some new fluff it's connected through the warp to 40k, again, and then there have been a few stories where Nagash, the God of Death and some other characters reveal there are people who are truly and definitely dead to the point not even the gods can resurrect them, not fallen into oblivion but gone to an unreachable place, what is this place, well, maybe is the Retconian, or maybe something else, who knows? All settings have their unsolvable mysteries, and I think this is ok, gives you something to wonder about.
The 40k Emperor is still very busily doing as little as possible on his magic chair (whilst simultaneously fighting the greatest psychic battle ever fought...with help.) I'll wade in at this point and say that no, Sanguinius was not the Emperor's favourite Primarch...the Emperor was above a favourite. After all, he kept Angron alive, even with the Butcher's Nails, and permitted Curze to be Curze, which was a really, really bad idea it turned out.
Hell yeah. That was good. Lamentors are some of the best marines to ever have been written. They are just salamanders who are really unlucky but also from blood Angel's. It also took them a lot longer to start seeing the effects of the black rage.
@@jeddpires Ah, Sanguinala. The day the whole Imperium celebrates the life of the greatest of Primarchs. Except the Blood Angels (and successors), who instead spend it in mourning, as brothers around them succumb to the Black Rage and in turn remember the death of their genefather anew.
Quick, excessively dispiriting Short I had prepared for existential horror month whilst working on bigger things.
I've already begun work on EP30 which is good and I also have a Special on the way.
That's it, going to keep working now, being very unceremonious, much like this very video.
Hi lol
Rip the homie
Thanks for the late birthday gift
Hello =)
Good luck on the next vid, man. Don't overwork yourself.
The good news is, there's water on Terra again...
Oh, oh, no nevermind it’s gone again
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@@RangerTheCEOofsx those asshole psykers teleported it all into the warp again
@@LAV-III well, the onion psykers probably put it there in the first place
The Lamenters.
Probably the only space marine chapter that has a banner made as a gift from the sororitas, who cried for the chapter all the time while they were making that same banner.
And inscribed on the banner all the Lamenter's achievements, and the name of the greatest on the chapter. Plus only a selected few sororitas were allowed to see and work on the banner. The same standart was anointed and blessed before being returned to the Lamenters.
Holy shit that's epic
Wow. You know your misfortunes are way above acceptable when the organization known for purging enemies in fanaticism and flame feels such genuine pity and sympathy for you.
let's let that sink in for nine seconds: The lamenters' banner. Made. Weep. The. Sororitas. When. They. Were. Crafting. IT
epic and sad af
Didn't they cry because the Sisters were thinking of how many "sins" the Lamenters had committed against the Emperor of Mankind for their involvement in the Badab War?
The real curse is the number of checker boxes you'll need to paint to make a full army.
I mean.. a single squad box is the entire chapter. Soo can't be that long.
Oof
@@datonecommieirongear2020 bruh you cant say that hahahaha
Transfers make it a bit more bearable.
Well there isn’t a whole lot of them left so it isn’t that many
You know its bad when a Custodian that ISN’T Kitten knows all about them and their “luck”
Whammudes is one of two knowledgeable Fabstodes alongside Custodisi, Karstodes is little bit illiterate
he did go inside the black library
@@Memelord1117 Guess Whammudes borrowed Little Kitten's library card to enter the Black Library
@@TheWarmachine375 He obviously bought the family plan
@@TheWarmachine375My theory is Kitten got the card off playing fancy Yu Ghi Oh with Cenagorath.
"FOR THOSE WE CHERISH, WE DIE IN GLORY!"
Sons of malice: we have seen what you see the end of the world
For malal don't tell GW pls
@@chosenofkhorne2951 Malal does not exist. Shut up about it.
@ Vince Lumontad GW: yes he is not real only the ultra mariners are real all the rest does not exist skaven doesn't exist
Malal sons of malice skaven and squats: Just kill us pls
GW: never 😈
Horus: hello you want some hot chocolate GW?
You are WEAK
@@chosenofkhorne2951 How nice of Horus and that's evil, lol
Never forget that there's an eternally depressed, borderline suicidal lamenters dreadnought on "permanent" lend to the Deathwatch who thinks his whole chapter is dead and now only feels something when slaughtering xenos in memory of his brothers.
Man i actually feel sorry for the unlucky hive tyrant that crosses that dreadnoughts path. A Black rage induced rampage would look like pacifism in comparison...
@@Psychoangel-d23 He’d have his own little crusade and win the battle himself.
Scones are sandwiches
@@Onua118 honestly i Could see that happening. It seems that lamenters have shit luck while having full numbers (chapter, company) But absolutely wrecking it when understrength... would be hilarious if they adapt to fight understrength and absolutely destroy everything they come across.
T_T
I like that the custodies points out that a evil cabal of wizards could very well have cursed the 21st founding.
Since this is Warhammer after all, that is entirely possible. In all likelihood, Tzeentch orchestrated the entire cursed foundation and everything the lamenters suffered through.
You are WEAK
@@ferrusmanus4013 dude you just made my day.
@@cyrilkhoury8847 I actually think Khorne may be the one to ""bless"" and curse them. As he loves the displays of honour and selfess duty.
So it's a Thousand Sons offspring chapter other than Blood Ravens
The part at the Slaughterhouse.
The Civilians nodded at the Astartes which then screams: "ACTIVE EXPLOSIVES! GIVE US A QUICK DEATH!"
The Civilians are just as sad as the Lamenters which is even more sad because the Lamenters tried to help them..
The fact it’s actually lore about the Slaughter makes it so depressing. The civilians asked for them to blow them up and since it would be better to die than the be enslaved again by the Orks. The Lamenters pleaded to give them a chance at saving them, then after that the Lamenters started to see the situation as helpless and eventually they took on the idea of the civilians. They could’ve of left and bombed the civilians but instead they decided to die with them. The Lamenters are the heroes of the 40k universe idc what anyone says.
what a curse they fail on the quick death
So the story of it is sadder. Essentially the humans were slaves to the Orks. The Lamenters then went on a mission to rescue all the humans but after defeating the Orks, they realized their ships didn't have enough capacity to shuttle all the humans. So the humans, who were honestly chads, said something along the lines of "You know what, you've done so much for us, leave us behind, it matters more that you leave". At first the Lamenters were against it, but like most things, the Orks kept on coming and so decided to place explosives in the mines of slaughterhouse and evacuate as many civilians as they could, which was only about 15% of the slaves the Orks had. Eventually blowing the planet up.
@@Rogerv1032 And the reason they did not have enough space in the ships is because nobody expected the lamenters to manage to successfully invade an entire planet full of orcs and free most of the slaves. It was seen as a suicide mission of little importance by other Astartes chapters nearby who had already given up on saving the civilians.
The Lamenters. Just enough luck to rebuild the chapter just in time for the next disaster
You are WEAK
Better they are in full chapter strength than nothing at all
All at a minute's notice
@@ferrusmanus4013 Thank you Ferrus I am aware
@@ferrusmanus4013 Then why you dead?
I think the best part is the simple 'Oh' that the Emperor replies with after all that info. He was so utterly crushed by what those poor boys have been put through, even his sharp tongue and wit were blunted for a time.
Drive failure. Not a Geller Field failure, literally normal spaceship going through realspace drive failure.
Truly Cursed.
To be fair the drive is an array of star's trapped in some flimsy magnetic bottles. If you don't understand exactly what you are doing and why you are doing it the consequences are pretty dire: one blip, there is a blinding flash and now your just a cloud of rapidly expanding plasma. I'd be willing to bet the Imperium loses many ships, non-lamenter astartes included, to random preventable drive failures each year given the Admech is basically just a bunch of half trained monkeys.
It is stated that the Mechanicus in the 41st millennium barely understands plasma technology.
If the Imperium had actually FTL Drives they'd beat up all the other races at long last.
@@armouredheart5389 The duct tape called the Astronomican power the by the Emprah. So PRAY HARDER OR WE ARE FUCKED.
@@ΕυαγγελοςΠαπαθεοδωρου prays doesnot works with the astronomican the current trone emperor (in the lore) is not gaining power from the prays of the imperium only starchild get that BIG E only survives thanks to psikers souls who he consume in this case the best way to act is give to him a large amount of psykers constantly to keep him funtional or start to workship him has the entidy he is in this case the way of TTS
and the third option is and maybe dump is send the ultramarines to use a orks planet capture a bulk of orks makes him workship the throne emperor and convincehim to he can heal himself for the woods he has
infact is problably the reaso why throne emp is still alive in 42 because of orks
the lamenters are just doing what sanguinius did best, dying tragically.
Too soon
Wait i thought Sang is an expert of being loved by everybody even the live hating silent king like him and also being perfect
I just realized that they totally inherited that from Sanguinius.
The curse doesn't come from some 21st founding bullshit. It's basically genetic; probably buried deep enough that the Lamenters are the only one it's manifested in so far.
Completely baseless, but now my head canon.
@@isaacsorrels4077 yea that’s my head canon too, though it kinda works considering how blood angel chapters deal with gene seed.
This is a tragically hilarious comment
"We will fix the geneseed flaws"
"So we ruined everything"
You are WEAK
Belisarius Cawl: "Allow me to introduce myself and the Primaris."
@@TheWarmachine375 I get the feeling something may end up badly down the line.
@@bryanmanuel4945 We shall see. I mean Fabius Bile already took interest and wants to see what makes the Primaris ticks
And Black Dragons be like "SORRY CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF STABBING XENOS SCUM WITH OUR COOL BONE CLAWS".
They were the only 100% trustworthy, trusting and genuinely caring chapter in the Imperium.
And they got Squat'd...
Even more kind than the salamanders?
Still got the Salamanders.
Yes.
They cared more than the Salamanders.
*AND I WILL DIE ON THAT HILL.*
Actually according to the 8th edition Codex they survived but got fucked real hard. Last information we got is that they’ve been rebuilding the chapter with primaris
@@PelinalWhitestrake36 So they caught a lucky break in the form of getting the upgraded version of space Marines
The Lamenters finally get a good bit of luck.
The emperor weeps for them.
You are WEAK
The emperor -weeps for- pees on them.
They had some.
Roboute Guiliman DEMANDED they get reinforced and upgraded to Primaris.
@@ferrusmanus4013 Dammit your dead, go away Ferrus with your big ghosty head.
Hopefully he can give them some new weapons and reinforcements
"As if a cabal of fucking wizards put an evil spell on it"
"Is that really so unlikely master?"
This is a legitimate fucking possibility in the 40k Universe.
I can just hear the word bearers snickering in the background lol.
Naaah, some guy just told the Orks that the Lamenters are truly curse and have a bad luck.
@@wither5673 nope, definetly not them, if they were ever to do something like that, then they would target the chapters formed of the legion they really have a hate boner for: the ultramarines,
@@jacobhederstrom8198 exactly if any chaos chapter were to do this to them it would be abaddon and the black legion.
@@jacobweatherford4696 Probably with some help from Thousand Sons legionnaires.... for the space magic
The notable part of this is that Emps actually cries over a chapter of marines. He truly does care...
And this is the Emps without the compassion and love that the Star Child encompasses.....it says alot that it affected him so adversely...
@@boxtank5288 I mean, he literally exorcised Star-Child from him so he could kill Horus. Holy shit, that means Emps WITH Star Child is like a super powered Santa
I think him excorcising the Star-Child aspect of him lead to him severely mistreating some of his Primarchs which domino'd into the current state of the Imperium. As in he banished it way before the Horus Heresy started in my theory.
@@Haispawner he cast out Star Child as he was dueling Horus, since his compassion was holding him back.
Only because they're Hawkboi's get.
What makes the Lamenters extra sad is that they are essentially the universe's punching bag and as a result have been betrayed, battered, pummeled and nearly went extinct. And yet they still fucking try their hardest to protect the people of the Imperium, and never once considered going traitor. They're the perfect example of what a space marine chapter should be.
What they go through normally for any other chapter it would be a glorious Last stand a final battle to be remembered in the halls of glory, for the Lamenters it would just be another Tuesday
Even then the Salamanders are the knights of the Imperium
ciaphas took all the luck
You didn't even include the Deathwatch Dreadnought, who is convinced he is the last Lamenter :(
You are WEAK
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge
But isn't he the last one?
@@sajadhoxhaj6603 no there back in 8th with primaris upgrades, THEY LIVE!
Sajad Hoxhaj The Lamenters are still alive, the last bit of lore we got from them is that they got Primaris Marines reinforcements. So their pain will endure.
A ship of live lamenters that had been trapped in the Warp escaped recently and they’re starting to rebuild but it’s not going well.
Forces trying to kill mankind: "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!"
Lamenter with one of his arms removed, cocking his bolter with his teeth: "I can do this all crusade."
Knowing it's a Lamenter the Bolter most likely malfunctions and his Armor cracks
@@robberyproductions1363Yet he still fights on to his last
THOSE two things would only happen out of poor maintenance and i dont see the lamenters doing that
@@spacecorpse3212 it's luck fam luck
@@timloth2994 guns dont malfunction without poor maintenance or shitty parts so yeah luck is a piece of the puzzle no matter what you do there is always that one that gets past all quality checks
Gotta say, props to the Custodian for actually knowing what the “Cursed Founding” is.
Considering how bad the Lamenters have had it, I'd be more surprised if he didn't know about them.
He must have taken the "cursed" for another type of "cursed".
Waamudes has learned quite a bit ever since discovering the clown library.
@@EveMizgala it is *"Clown library explorer number one",* thank you
@@deptusmechanikus7362 of course mechanicus brother
The sad Lemon boys, one of my favorite chapters due to them trying to be nice, only for the entire universe to beat them down, over over and over again
You are WEAK
Do you think the Salamanders could adopt them?
The Krillins of WH40K
@@ferrusmanus4013 THE REAL FERRUS MANUS WOULD NEVER SAY SUCH A THING!
@@ferrusmanus4013 Shut up and stop spamming stupid skost
You know it’s bad when a man who LITERALLY REMOVED HIS EMPATHY is sobbing heavily
Welp. Big E is Adam warlock and the Star Child is Goddess. Anyone got a spare infinity gauntlet lying around?
Literaly flooding a planet with his tears.
@@ThatGuyUpThere At least there will be water on Terra once more ... :D
@@Interrobang212 That implies there's a Magus
maybe the Emperor should order the Ultramarines to rescue and then join forces with the Lamenters. Perhaps their ultra-sue powers would counteract the curse, or the curse would tone down the Mary sue powers?
I just have to say when he screamed "PLEASE HELP US SANGUINIUS!" that genuinely broke my heart. He was literally calling for his dad to save him.
Just like me when my dad broke my arms and went for smokes
@@beemus1827 damn, no wonder you became a robot
That makes it sadder :(
@@beemus1827 Hey, at least you still had your mom. And with broken arms...
@@nerdywitches I'm sorry. Would you like a Jolly Rancher?
Ah, yes. The Lamenters, a.k.a. the "SWEET MERCIFUL EMPEROR, PLEASE STOP KICKING US WHILE WE'RE DOWN" Marines.
Poor guys just can't catch a break.
i hope there could be something to give them a bit of hope they've been though soo much
There is one good thing though. Roubute demanded they get Primaris reinforcements, and a ship of Lamenters came back from the Warp, all coalescing together to rebuild the Lamenters.
For those we cherish, we die in glory
Did you notice?
Before the Sergeant says "Activate explosives", he looks to the two humans to make sure it's what they want and they nod. A good callback to how the ~3 million slaves they were fighting alongside are the ones that made the choice to get blown up rather than die to the Orks. The Lamenters wouldn't have done it if it wasnt what the people they were protecting wanted.
Yep, they were fully prepared to die alongside the slaves they had rescued. But the slaves, not wishing to see their rescuers die such a death, they chose to sacrifice themselves and the planet as the one act they choose to do by their own free will.
There is no bittersweet ending however, as when they refused Calgar's medal for what they saw as a failure, everyone else just hated them even more.
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 May have gotten wrong information but I read Calgar understood.
@@caseycarroll476 Calgar did understand why they did this, but for most other chapters who were already suspicious of the Lamenters because of them being a Cursed Founding chapter just took this refusal merely as them snubbing Calgar rather than the actual reason they did it.
I don’t think it’s a callback, I think it is when the slaves insisted the Lamenters exterminatus Slaughterhouse III instead of letting them all die alongside them
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 It would be cathartic if Calgar denounced the other chapters for being assholes and give the Lamenters a power hug like he did with Ciaphas Cain just to spite the asshole chapters or make them salty.
And this is the Emps who discarded his human emotions. Imagine if the Star Child caught wind of the Lamenters.
Commoragh would bathe is such suffering Slaanesh would be brought into realspace
I do not believe it was all of his human emotions, it was more his love and affection that he purged to be able to slay Horus
Scones are sandwiches
I thought it was his compassion that he had to excise to do all of the atrocities.
@@cxfxcdude that or he’d get so upset he’d go full on warlord to avenge his fallen children
Lamenters meeting Chaos Marines must be a bit embarrassing.
*snicker* "...And you sold your soul over that?" *snicker*
"I DEMAND TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!"
"We'll take you seriously when you actually have a good reason to fall. So, never."
Lamenters are the true chads. Stacked against the worst luck you could give to a monster slaying space warband, they still retained their humanity and their soul.
"As Dorn would say: No."
There is a lamenters Audio book about a lamenter taken prisoner on a chaos ship after his squad was eradicated. It starts with what one would think to be a kammerspiel in the interigation Chamber
And it suddenly becomes a fucking suspensfull horror movie wjen the lamenter goes balistik
Name of book?@@JackDaniels-b4u
This isn't depressing. No no. This shows exactly why the Lamenters are the most heroic, most human of the Space Marine Chapters. Everything thrown at them, brothers betraying them, Tyranid's nomming them, penitent crusades, general hatred against them, and instead of betraying the Emperor or letting themselves get wiped out, they continue to fight against the Emperor's foes and save everyone they can. They can get wiped out to 100 marines, and they'll just rebuild so they can save one more person, over and over and over again. The Lamenters lives are full of hardship and despair, but that's exactly what makes them Heroes: Because despite this, they *will never stop helping people*
Also at least in canon the Lamenters survived and got Primaris reinforcements, small miracles.
If I ever make a tabletop Spess Muhreen army my paint scheme's 100% going to be the Lamenters... it also gives me a convenient canon justification for bad rolls.
The Lamenters are one of the greatest chapters in existence. Because no matter how hard the collected galaxy kicks them in their collective blessed gonads, they never back down from their principles of protecting those who cannot protect themselves. Also afaik the only blood angels successor to have shown a considerable resistance to the black rage and red thirst.
Based
*SALAMANDERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*
@@johndoe5432 If you do, don't be surprised when all out going munitions seem to get sucked into their faces.
Lamenters are my favorite loyalist chapter. Partially because of this, but partially because despite all this, they still haven't given up, they are still loyal, and they are still fighting. To quote "How unlucky I am that this should happen to me. But not at all. Perhaps, say how lucky I am that I am not broken by what has happened, and I am not afraid of what is about to happen. For the same blow might have stricken anyone, but not many would have absorbed it without capitulation and complaint." - Marcus Aurelius
They are the story we need not always the story we wanted.
That no matter how dark things get it's possible to keep fighting and moving forward without losing your humanity.
Even as a giant genetically engineered super human fighting deamons in super hell.
man.. that make me cry
my eyes are sweating by reading this
"For those we cherish... we die in glory"
"ACTIVATE EXPLOSIVES GIVE US A QUICK DEATH" god thats so lore accurate that its legitimately sad
I was unable to find any details about that, could I get a rundown? Cause I though the lamenters were cured of the red thirst and black rage, and I was unable to find anything about them detonating themselves after succumbing
@@IdontKnow-nm8bz they were, but then they just started getting it again because so that The Lamenters could be lumped into the Blood Angels's Codex as just another recolor of the base chapter with no need for special rules about not having Death Company units or whatever... basicly GW was lazy... and it made Primaras Marines also being cured less special, but then they made Primaras not cured anymore because they realized they could sell more models that way.
@@IdontKnow-nm8bz Slaughterhouse III was an Ork mining world with a lot of human slaves which the Lamenters fought to liberate. It was actually the freed slaves that requested that the planet be exploded and they be given a quick death, since they knew that the Lamenters couldn't get them all off and they wanted to thank them for what they did- and deny the Orks the world. The Lamenters did manage to transport humans off world before the charges were detonated, but not many. The Lamenters were actually offered an Iron Halo for their feat, since it was a huge blow to the Orks, but due to the number of civilian deaths, they refused that honour, leading to more disdain in the eyes of other chapters. A lot of marines did succumb to the black rage and red thirst during the battle but that was not the cause of the detonation.
Read the non-summarized version here
warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Lamenters
@@alisonpurgatory85 Marneus Calgar, fortunately, recognized exactly why they turned it down, so at least the Chapter master knows their nature, and respected them fully, as they deserve.
Unfortunately, the majority of rank and file Ultramarines, considerably more snobby (as you basically have to be the top elites in academics and fitness to make candidacy, and who know themselves as a famous byword for courage, honor, and ideal astartes) saw this as moral arrogance and egotism.
Especially how the two human slaves they were defending went to hold each other as he said it...
3 years from now
Vulcan: Father! I have come to rescue you! AND CONTINUE HUGGIN MY BROFER!
Emperor: Never mind that you insufferably joyous idiot. I need you to go and hug every Lamenter still alive.
The sad part is even Vulkan may not have enough hugs to give the Lamenters for all they've gone through
@@lsamaknight Sad, but most likely true.
I really wanna see that lmao
To be fair, when that happens, there won't be many to go hug.
I think Vulkan have better things to do like burning innocent Eldar children
Oily nude man: Oh no the Lamenters are absolutely cursed
Big E: Why
*millenia of suffering*
E: oh
*a storm of tears then happens*
The video isn't WHY they are cursed, but more on HOW they are cursed.
I believe the Lamenters are the 40k version of 'No good deed goes unpunished' personified. The 40k universe is so grimdark that it will literally curse anyone that dares be a hero or make things better.
@@TimothyMark7 errrr I didn't expect you here..
5 Millennia*
E: *Laments Uncontrollably*
Now we need an episode of the Lamenters being saved at the last moment by the Emperor and *ALL GOOD* relatives they have. Then being hugged, they deserve it.
Oh yes, the dying dream ending.
So basically Vulkan would be the one to save them? Followed by giving them giant hugs?
@@philiproe1661 Rogal's voice: Yeeesss
Id rather see Big E throw those Mortifuckers on a suicide mission to the eye of terror for leaving them alone
@@spongeyspikes09 that and their chapter is presented with official Aquilla emblems to wear as personal heraldry in recognition of their service to the Emperor and the Imperium as a whole. Something tiny and slightly pathetic, but still nice, like getting that thumbs up and approval from dad that you've always strived for, but never been able to achieve
now the question is, will the Emperor do something about it?
Once he is finished Lamenting uncontrollably
Comment by TheRiolumon, 5 months ago on Lamenters by StringStorm
Emperor: So who are these Lamenters I keep hearing about?
Kitten: Oh the Lamenters? They are a chapter who are descended from the Blood Angels.
Emperor: From my sweet boy Senguiny.
Kitten: Y-yes. They are a bit of a.... well they are not exactly a very loved chapter. Rumors circulated around them have gone so out of hand it’s damaged their reputation among the other chapters. They believe they are cursed because they have had what you would call in your words my lord “extreme shit luck”. They have been decimated time and time again. It’s a miracle they even survived for so long.
Emperor: I don’t want any of that double standard bs from my other children who literally throw their own ships at their enemies just to get that kamikaze kill. Had turn on eye camera film while banana head was speaking looking at them right now and they just look like total lemon boys. Though seeing as their names are “Lemon-tors” makes sense.
Kitten: Yeah but here is the thing my lord. Despite the rumors of them being cursed they are one of the most kindest chapters in the imperium second only to the salamanders. They have been known to fly to isolated civilian colonies and fight till their dying breath that every civilian is evacuated from the xeno invaders.
Emperor: so the lemon boys are trying to make up for the rumors with their actions. Unsurprising. But not unappreciated.
Kitten: I agree my lord. There was one battle where they were left alone by another chapter called the “Mortifactors” during the 9th black crusade on corellia. Claiming that they don’t want to be anywhere near these “cursed” individuals.
Emperor: I’m gonna put a pin in that chapter topic for now and just say that sounds like a really fucking edgy chapter. Also. I understand that if the space marines value their life as I do not wish for any of them to die recklessly for me, Except maybe those fucking smurfs. But leaving another chapter of brothers alone to fight a whole crusade by themselves over some fucking bad luck is just fucking despicably cowardly. So what happened to the lemon boys?
Kitten: They fought like it was their last battle, making sure every civilian was safe. It was said that for every marine that died. A family was saved or an orphan, and 10 demons died with the said killed marine. It wasn’t until the white scars and the ultramarines came to save the day turning the tide.
Emperor: Because the only way to win a losing battle is to use cheats like the fucking smurfs do.
Kitten: After the battle only a hundred of the Lamenters were left, their entire chapter was there and they were devastated by the ensuing battle. They were soon to be called the “yellow pawns” as a reference to their check board on their shoulder pads and them of course being colored yellow.
Emperor: I gotta say them some ballsy pawns for fighting off those chaos spawns and heretics.
Kitten: Though after the battle they left the planet, but soon ended up being in a warp drift on their way home and didn’t appear till thousands of years later. Not only did they survive the warp fighting their whole way back tooth and nail. but they still had enough marines to rebuild their chapter to full strength.
Emperor: It’s as if these lemon boys are like the polar opposites of the smurfs. Instead of winning every battle without any casualties these marines nearly lose every battle with high as fuck casualties. Still I can not deny that they do a very good job at what they do and should say I am very proud of them trying so hard to prove them selves. Still I think they should be cut a break now. Because the way they literally sacrifice themselves for the imperium every battle is just fucking depressing. I want you to message their chapter master and tell them to recall all lemon boys. And instead have these Mortifuckers start doing their jobs till the lemon boys have proper time to rest and boost their stats and maybe even have some peace and quiet. See how they like it when being put on “baby protect and/or be killed” duty. And if any of them think of disobeying they will not only be threatened as a traitor of the whole of imperium but there' entire chapter will be excluded. I do not fucking care what they do before. They need to be punished for not only abandoning the people of me, but also being total pussies and leaving their own brothers to defend themselves.
Kitten: eerhmm my lord is that wise?
Emperor: I’m the mother fucking emperor. I have the will and authority. Besides, anyone who bullies my favorite son’s kids needs a royal spanking, and if the parents won’t do it then I fucking will.
Kitten: as you wish my lord.
Emperor: So, what happened after they came back from the warp?
Kitten: Oh boy. nervous
To be Continued....
If he doesn’t do something now, he will definitely do something when he reunited with the star child
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@@ferrusmanus4013 You are not friend!
Just notice that in the slaughterhouse scene the Lamenters first look at the slaves just freed and after they nod they call in the bombardment, and then the pair of slaves go and comfort each other. That hit hard.
It's one of the cooler bits of Badab War fluff for sure. They participated in an Imperial crusade together with several other notable Chapters, including the Ultramarines themselves, and volunteered to raid an important production-planet in the Ork empire they were wrecking (in order to pre-empt a WAAAGH!). Calgar said they wouldn't get any support since it was so far behind enemy lines, they said OK and went on ahead. Bing bang boom, typical marine stuff went down, and then they found themselves faced with a real dilemma.
Ork reinforcements were pouring in, and the planet they were on had tons of slave labourers on it. They ended up fighting of multiple waves of Ork counter-attackers both in space and on the ground, before being asked to leave by the remaining un-evacuated slaves who didn't want the Lamenters to get wiped out for their sake. So the survivours fought their way free, detonating the mines and killing those left behind. On limping back to the main crusade forces, Calgar was mightily impressed by their heroism and wanted to give them an iron halo in an elaborate ceremony - not just a rare piece of wargear, but an incredible honour to receive one of the highest merits from one of the highest-ranked people in the Imperium. The Lamenters declined the honour (near unprecedented as declining it was), because they felt they hadn't earned it nor lived up to their own ideals.
Predictably, this earned them even more critics and even more suspicion, as people in the crusade and well beyond interpreted it as an open insult to Calgar - made even more insulting considering the exalted status of the Ultramarines and the low status of the Lamenters (a Cursed Founding Chapter who only participated in the crusade because the Ultramarines had saved them at Corillia 2000 years earlier).
The Lamenters, otherwise known as “That one chapter that gets bullied and dies constantly”
and gets no appreciation from the imperium either
It's a better fate than those chapters that get bullied and die once never to be heard from again. You know those chapters no one has ever heard in Black Library/Warhammer Community stories. They got about the same chances of the rich, jerk jock of surviving a horror movie.
there is the other chapter tho, cant remember their name but I know their last apothecaries were killed by "ork" snipers.
@@tardigrade8019 good ol celestial lions
@@tardigrade8019 Ork Snipers with Long shot Las Rifles head shotting almost an entire chapter into non functionality
The Emperor before this video: "Curses aren't real."
The Emperor after this video: "Who cursed my beloved boys and how can I stop this?"
*Tzeentch cackles evily*
@@williambeck2372 *Sanguinius looming over tzeentch with malicius intent*
Tzeentch: *Sweats profoundly* he´s right behind me isnt he?
@@Psychoangel-d23 Yes and he have 10000 years of rage to take out on you
@@Crexman501 *Sanguinius:* "WRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYY!!!!!" **Brutally starts laying into Tzeentch with a Flurry of Chainsword, Fists and razor sharp feathers from his wings.**
I like to think Tzeentch has it out for the Lamenters because if they were left on their own they would be too powerful, just think about it they survived being dragged to the Warp for a hundred years their chapter master can go into the black rage and back, they fought two massive forces(Orks and 'nids) that can kill planets they got fuck over multiple times, but they're still loyal to the emperor THAT is what makes them strong in my eyes that despite having the worst luck and being called cursed they still fight for the innocents and for the emperor
*"For those we cherish, we die in Glory!"*
-Lamentor Warcry
The lamentors are too pure for this galaxy. They serve and still serve the Imperium even after all that has happened to them. They are true heros of the Imperium.
Honestly the Imperium truly doesn't deserve them.
@@blackshadow-ps3fx they are the heroes the imperium needs, but not the ones they deserve
@@matthiuskoenig3378 the exact opposite of batman lol
@@blackshadow-ps3fx The Imperium doesn't no, but humanity, the common folk, they do.
@@Handles-Suck-RUclips I suppose they do, after all who else will be their hero?
"We die in the dark so that you can live in the light."
The O5 council approves with this untrackable account
inb4 when day breaks
@@auugh43546 inb4 "Why?"
This is an SCP reference, but it fits the Lamenters so incredibly well that I have to applaud you quoting this. "For those we cherish, we die in glory!" and "We die in the dark so that you can live in the light." Are such Lamenter phases that I'm now headcanoning in a Lamenter Marine isekainging into the SCP universe, only for them to eventually become the head of security/ the head of an MTF battallion in the universe, not because of their abilities but because of their spirit.
The Lamenters existence in 40k isn't about surviving one more day to have hope for a better tomorrow, it's about surviving one more day because that's about the biggest middle finger you can give in a universe where everything is destined to die.-Some Random Guy.
It's actually *not*, which is the most insane thing about them. Despite getting absolutely shat on at every turn, the Lamenters are, BAR NONE, the nicest and most heroic space marines out there. Even the Salamanders take second place to these guys. They are the heroes 40k absolutely DOES NOT deserve, and it hates them for it.
Any time somebody doesn't get that 40k isn't really meant to be taken seriously, I point out that the only unambiguous good guys in the setting are subject to ceaseless cosmic kicks in the balls, and that their symbol is a literal bleeding heart.
Sure that's not valid for pretty much everyone else?
That's Humanity in 40k.
Legend has it, they were created during the darkest age of comics
So here's a quick contextual synopsis for each little scene:
1) During the 9th Black Crusade, they came to the defense of Corillia, but the other chapter stationed there, the Mortifactors, were deeply superstitious and just kinda... abandoned them. The Lamenters took devastating casualties and were reduced to a force ~200 strong until finally relieved by Ultramarine and White Scars reinforcements.
2) On their way back from Corillia they got caught in a warp storm and _had to fight their way out of the Warp._
3.1) 300 Marines liberated the planet Slaughterhouse III from the Orks and were evacuating 3 million slaves, but a reinforcement fleet of Orks came and they didn't have enough resources or time to save most of them. The Lamenters planned on fighting to the last to save the planet's people, but at the behest of the liberated population, the Lamenters instead detonated subterranean seismic charges to deny the Orks the planet, its resources, and the labor force inhabiting it. This depressed the Chapter so severely they turned down an Iron Halo from Marneus Calgar, because they felt like they had lost the fight for Slaughterhouse III. Which a lot of Imperium factions misunderstood as some sort of snub against Calgar, so they became even more hated than they already were by merit of being part of the Cursed Founding.
4) While escorting a Rogue Trader, their ship just randomly suffered a drive failure that scuttled it and the crash killed most of the marines on that mission. Most of the survivors were press-ganged into the Deathwatch, and the rest could only serve in some auxiliary capacity alongside other chapters.
5) During the Badab War, they sided with the Astral Claws, who were their honor-bound brethren, and _believed_ they were fighting for the autonomy of the Adeptus Astartes from the greater Imperium (what really was happening was that the Astral Claws were corrupted by Chaos. You might now know them as the Red Corsairs). They largely kept to themselves, being generally unwilling to wage full-scale war against fellow Imperium forces. The Minotaurs had no such compunctions, scuttled the Lamenters' chapter barge, and after a grueling 17 hour siege, defeated the Lamenters through brutality and numbers, and looted the shit out of the Lamenter's wargear. Maybe 300 Lamenters survived to the end of the Badab War.
6) Because their involvement in the civil war was a misunderstanding and they surrendered upon learning what happened to the Astral Claws, the Lamenters actually were pardoned. So instead of the chapter being dissolved and the marines all put to death, they would be forced to go on a 100 year penitent crusade. During which they would not be allowed to recruit more Marines. Remember that they are at
@Iron Hands Terminator you must be the nicest iron hand that ever existed
The fact that the minotaurs even accepted their surrender speaks to how pure of heart the chapter is...
@Iron Hands Terminator they thought they were fighting chaos. Anything but utter annihilation is unusual.
Fucking PRIMARIIIIIIIS
@Iron Hands Terminator "fuck the minotaurs"
Slaaneshi beastmen approve
my friend painted a lamenters army for the table top, he is a brilliant painter/model kitbasher, but paints were too thickly applied, parts went missing heads broke off tanks ended up chewed on by the dog he dropped his dreadnaught down the stairs and just about every model met misfortune through imperfect painting or getting damaged COINCIDENCE?
Man even the lamenters models are cursed
The fact they’re especially hard to paint only makes this more painful.
Just a reminder for everyone. The Lamenters became stranded in the warp for one hundred years with just a little around 200 Astartes left.
They then proceeded to fight their way out of the Warp and back to the Materium, at which point the Inquisition found no evidence of chaos corruption amongst any of them.
The Lamenters are the most loyal chapter of Astartes and those Smurfs can go suck on rocks. These yellow boys deserve the Smurf's fortune.
The Lamenters are basically the Krieg Marines.
@@shubzilla755 Krieg fight and die for repentance, Lamenters fight and die because its the right thing to do. Theres things in 40k that aren't kriegsmen lmao
The bargain Papa Smurf made to make the Ultramarines into the greatest/luckiest/plot armoriest chapter around clearly did so by stealing ALL the luck from the Lamenters.
They are the imperiums very finest astartes chapter
@@rileysimpson6536 I would say the Lamenters are the only Space Marine Chapter the Death Corp could ever truly respect.
No other chapter has known the depths of HUMAN despair like them and still stood with humanity. Either a chapter has evaded fates that would break them that hard, been outright destroyed, or fallen to Chaos.
They are rather ironically the best metaphor for humanity in W40K: mercilessly assailed from all sides, hated universally (as often for reasons beyond their control as not), constantly savaged, constantly whittled away, yet NEVER, EVER broken.
Its really sad cause the video implies all of these events were seen by one Marine. Thats why the main marine in all these stories lose more and more limbs as the stories continues....
Poor guys. Just give them a hug
I mean given Lamenter luck that wouldn't surprise me, that one unlucky fucking marine that survives everything just to get kicked again.
Considering he lost all his limbs and the story ended in the belly of a Tyranid, I don't think his company's coming back from that one, unfortunately. Probably why E started crying instead of doing something, that company is already long gone.
@@xXFuzzeeXx the lamentors did get primaris reinforcements if I recall, so if he's still aroudn they'd be back to suffer some more.
@@deathpope3922 And a lamentors ship came back from the warp and there is that one dreadnought on permanent loan to the deathwatch.
Given the (comparatively) short time they happened in, that is in no way outside the realm of possibility in 40k.
Damn... This made the stone cold Throne-Emperor cry? Imagine how the Star-Child would react.
Knowing our luck? It would probably have a heart attack from sadness.
Maybe when the Inquisition exits the warp Starperor will meet them and save them from Tendril Kraken
@@cxfxcdude we survived through that and actually managed to force hive fleet kraken to retreat. We're unlucky, but we're not worthless.
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 if it gives you some closure, when the great Emperor rises again your fallen brothers will be alongside him with all the other brothers fallen in the line of duty. Guided by Celestine to the star child where their souls are at rest until the Emperor’s one last crusade calls upon them to vanquish all foes.
@@sirshotty7689 They shall be of the first Space Marines ever converted to Custodes, and the founders of the 2nd founding of Companions to serve under the direct command of the Emperor.
Lamenters: “pls no bulli”
Imperium: “*N O*”
Vulkan: *Infuriated Newt Dad Energy Intensifies*
@@asdrubalvect6328 I hope the Bro-Trip Crusade runs into the Lamenters and bring them along
You are WEAK
@@ferrusmanus4013 Didn't Fulgrim give you a head start?
@@ferrusmanus4013 - Now now, you are just getting a-head of yourself.
*You're missing the whole point of the Lamenters: they suffer all these disasters and betrayals, and they're still the good guys.* Any other chapter would have fallen to chaos, gone renegade, or disbanded in despair. Lamenters know their lives are tragic and doomed, and they choose to be who and what they are anyway, laying down their lives for those they cherish.
If any single chapter could legitimately be "the greatest of them all," it is the Lamenters. If any chapter could claim to have my "spiritual liege" within its ranks, it would be the Lamenters.
I dont think he missed the point at all
@@bluebobman6152 Fair enough; he missed the second, and most-important half.
For those we cherish, we die in glory
Add to that that the Lamenters are one of the only chapters that could actually be called “good guys” in a universe that isn’t complete gone to hell and where just about everyone is some flavor of evil. Like...them, the Salamanders, and the Celestial Lions maybe? Maybe the current wolves, but only in a Byronic hero seeking redemption sort of way if at all. Most of the Space Marines are heroes by comparison to Chaos and Orks and Tyranids and Necrons....the Lamenters are legitimately heroic.
I don't think the Grey Knights would ever go renegade. But yes, I guess I'm saying that the Lamenters have the same unshakable faith as the Grey Knights.
Oh boy, he’s learning about unfairly stomped chapters, can’t wait for him to hear about the Ork Snipers that krumped the Celestial Lions
Don't remind me about those poor lads, they never saw it coming.
don't forget that the chapter master was killed off since the crazed dickbags were still salty about the Lions
Ork sniper are real? I all ways jused used Ork sniper as a way to threaten my squads comisar in Role play games.
@@Andrewza1 No, they aren't real: the in-lore thing was that the Celestial Lions chapter pissed off the Inquisition after they complained about the civilian deaths, the Inquisition called up some Vindicares to kill the command structure and Apothecaries, then chalked up the mass casualties as "Ork snipers" while making the whole thing an implicit threat to any Chapter that bitched about them killing civilians.
Rogal would blow up if he even heard a notice about them and that incident.
Abandoned by the Mortifactors Chapter, dragged in by a Warp Storm, Fighting off overwhelming Nurgle Zombies, consumed by the Black Rage, beaten up by the Minotaurs, suffered Casualities from malfunctioning ship, being declared Excommunicate Traitories and given a crusade of penetance by the Crippled High Lords, and being consumed by the Tyranids, especially that guy being devoured by the Red Terror.
Out of all Space Marine Chapters, the Lamenters has got to be the most unluckiest Space Marine Chapter of the 21st Cursed Founding.
I feel sorry for them...
What about the Fire Hawks? I don't even know what founding they are but becoming warp ghosts isn't great.
Minotaurs aren't that bad when compared to the Carcharodons.
[The Minotaurs honorably allowed the wounded marines to live, the space sharks would have executed any wounded lamenter.]
@@bgcvetan then why did the carcharadons leave the mantis warriors alive?
The only Lamenters that survived the siege against the minotaurs were the ones that couldn’t fight.
@@DGneoseeker1 becoming g the Legion of Damned makes up for it
So, they're the inverse of the Ultramarines?
The Emperor should recall the Lamenters back to him. Since he has removed the unlimited powers of the High Lords he can recall them. They are true Sons of his Hawk Boy and should be saved and restored by his grace and power.
i think he has a new item for the Top 5 of his list of "things to do when i get off this fucking throne"-"devote several centuries of my available time to analyzing and ameliorating whatever's causing their horrific luck, adopt them as "suffering kindred"
*on their route to terra they get lost in the warp again for hundreds of years before eventually making it out
*when they arrive on terra the warp rift the emperor was suppressing opens and the Lamenters (previously decimated by being lost in the warp have to fight a demon invasion on terra)
@@datnoob4394 I can see that happening maybe a little too easily...
@@Gantradies That would be wholesome
@@Gantradies I blame that blue squid fuck with un-typeable name.
The Lamenters are a chapter of shonen protagonists in the wrong setting.
Shonen protagonists in a seinen
Shonen protagonists in a dark fantasy Seinen series
Nah. Shonen protagonist implies they'll get a bullshit powerup and win in the end.
@@ASNS117Zero They kind of do win, just in a way that it feels more like a defeat. They also get saved from the brink a lot.
@@SeismicHammer also there are a lot of anime that also had costly victories.
Man, the luck of the Lamenters is really bad:
- Be abandoned by your brothers in a cruxial moment during an invation
- Get lost in space for random chance, and fight the equivalent of chaos when Heaven and Hell collide for a century
- Go back to reality, just to contage yourself with the equivalent of Corona, The Black Death, and Vampirism, so you nuke yourself to save your entire people, if not the entire galaxy
- Survive so when you are recovering in your ship, the mainframe gets fucked and self destroys itself in Emperor knows where
- Land in a planet, have most of your body replaced by machinery, and make a last stand to protect the empire's will, just to get your balls kicked and get mauled into unconciousness (by your own people, no less)
- Recover it so the High Lords legally decree you as cursed, and be forced to either fight for another century or get a bolt to the head, so you accept because you love your people and wish to protect them
- And finally get eaten by a oversized bug who leaves you limbless, your armor pierced, and bleeding
The sad part is the very same Marine who suffers all this is the same from the beginning to the end. The only worst thing I can imagine is that he is the one who is forced to rebuild the chapter over and over and over and over again.
The red terror is a tyranid
And YET they are still going on and kicking asses. Becouse remember - they are still Space Marines. If someone kicked their asses so hard, but they are still there fighting, then they had to somehow win. Just IMAGING how hard were asses of the thing that tried to kicked their asses kicked.
The irony about the mortifactors abandoning the lamenters? They saw in the tarots that a catastrophy will haunt them and they assumed it´ll be because of the lamenters. Little did they know it was a fucking eldar host sneaking a damn webway gate right in their monastery! Karma bit the Mortifactors for abandoning the good bois. It bit them HARD. Though knowing those guys they just went "LOOKS LIKE ELDARS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!" then murdered and ate them.
...maybe we're seeing his weeping spirit right before similarly-weeping emps drags him out of the warp in an attempt to FORCE the universe to give some of the people he actually LIKES/genuinely respects even without his empathy, a SINGLE,measly little break without the indecisive mollusk fucking with it?
Actually, there is a Lamenters dreadnought in the Deathwatch that genuinely believe he is the last Lamenters alive (sorta), so his only joy in life is to kill in the memory of his bretherns before going back to sleep.
Lamenters: Talking peacefully about the nature of Astartes autonomy and respect, making no harmful actions but taking a stance against a major issue peacefully, with words.
Minotaurs: Flying, jump pack assisted, power armoured boot to the balls, then a collective group beating of the downed marine by overzealous maniacs with greater numbers, better gear, and no pulled punches or holds barred.
This is the single most accurate depiction of both the Lamenters, and the Minotaurs Chapters, ever made, and a near perfect retelling of their involvement in the Badab war.
My favourite part if it all, that despite the fact that they were outnumbered, they still inflicted very heavy casualties on them before they were forced to surrender. Keep in mind, the Minotaurs specialise in fighting other Astartes, so if the outnumbered and outgunned Lamenters were able to inflict heavy losses upon them, then imagine if the Unlucky bois were at full chapter strength!
@@Commodore22345 Eh, the Lamenters were sort of in the dark about what Huron was really up to, they thought they were just helping their bros.
@@Commodore22345 good soldiers dont always follow orders.
@@Commodore22345 I think you're missing the point as well. They weren't looking to be independent of the general Imperial Hierarchy, they thought, at least from what I read, that the INQUISITION was looking to put them under their boot, not the boot of the Imperium at large.
Also please tell me you're not on the side of the Inquisition for the Months of Shame? They're the ones who got themselves in that situation in the first place. The Space Wolves didn't even start the fighting until the Inquisition ambushed the fleet of the Space Wolf when they claimed they just wanted to negotiate.
@@Commodore22345 I understand what you are saying, but you have to see where they are coming from their own point of view. They are super humans created by the God Emperor to be physically and mentally superior to your standard human. To be under the command of simple fallible human would be a slap in the face for a fair few of them. As far as they are concerned only the Emperor or their progenitor Primarch would have the right to command them to do anything.
Also, again, it was by will of the Emperor that Astartes be separate from the other military forces. It's why the Astra Militarum and the Adeptus Astartes are separate entities.
And last of all, chapters do listen to the Munitorum a lot of the time. Who do you think placed the Lamenters at the Malestrom in the first place? The Lamenters would have definitely preferred to hang out at the fringes of the galaxy where there were no Tyranids, Orks or Chaos in the first place. It's mostly the First Founding chapters that have this attitude of request not demand in the first place as well... or chapters with an ego as great as the Founding chapters in the firs place.
The Lamenters still exist - some apparently survived their ordeal with Hive Fleet Kraken by some bloody *miracle.* The Chapter was later reinforced by a batch of Primaris, who would have looked up to the survivors as veterans and commanding officers. I somehow doubt that they'll get further referenced in the lore so that's as close to a "good ending" for those guys as we are going to get. Certainly by the standards of chapters derived from Blood Angel stock, their care and compassion for the common folk of the imperium is unrivaled. Naturally, they are probably tied in the empathy department with the Salamanders and some of their successor chapters.
Don't feel good just yet, Remember it's the Lamenters we're talking about
bit of a lore update
They are currently figting another tendril of hive fleet kraken together with 2 other chapters
@@mynamejeef7166 At least there are now 2 proper chapters fighting against them, I just hope that they don't leave them behind like those other assholes that I forgot their name did
Lamenters and successor chapters?
They have successor chapters???
@@raddragon1373 No - but they aren't being abandoned, yet..... by the two chapters that they are fighting alongside with.
I want a Warhammer game based around the lamenters. You could quite literally make a survival horror game with how unique and unorthodox their experiences are, and there is no other chapter who really understands. They deserve some spotlight!
That would be like Spec Ops the line set in 40k universe.
@@angelofthedead1886 That is definitely a possibility, or like halo reach. The plot twist of the game would have the the players thinking "Maybe in the next chapter, it will get better for the lamenters." , but actually.... SOMEHOW.... gets ten times worse.
@@righteouspaladin4316 Yeah the game would be as instense like WH40k Space Marine and also has some depressing stuffs.
It‘d be like the Space Marine game we got. But what games like Dead Space would call „Insane“ is the standard difficulty.
Easiest difficulty is ultramarine with extra ammunition and save points. Normal difficulty is dark angels. Hard is black Templar with limited ammo and save points. Super hard is lamentors with extremely limited ammo and no save points.
The worst part is that this is only the highlight reel, and only briefly covers their Lamenters' Luck, which is a constant, daily occurrence. Weapons with perfect maintenance will jam or malfunction, armor seals will breach, doors will stick, vehicles will stall... and all at the worst possible moment. Or, as shown here, your starship's drive core will suddenly lose containment.
Not just the Geller field but the real space drives
Strength comes in many shades and if I'm being honest I believe the lamenters have strength rarely seen not only in 40k but in literature in general. Misery and misfortune cling to them like parasites desperately trying to push them into despair. They have every reason to give in and abandon the imperium that hates them and the God that's seemingly forgotten them yet they never sway in their loyalty. Meanwhile you have lesser chapters betraying because "words" because "guilt" and all the other raw excuses for weakness. The lamenters have an entire ocean of pain and reasons to give in, yet they don't. That is strength beyond what many can even comprehend.
they're... prettymuch the personification of the imperial guard at their finest, if you think about it?
horrifically outgunned, outnumbered and constantly suffereing against foes they can barely fight, if at all-
yet time and time again, they stand, grit their teeth, and HOLD THE FUCKING LINE UNTILL THEY DIE STANDING UP
@@Gantradies THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE LAMENTERS DID- wait...
'It is not weakness in a cruel age to have a gentle heart, but a sign of strength.'
"Look at all these reasons to leave we ignore entirely!"
"...oh my Emperor..."
@@Gantradies except that there are guardsmen who turn to chaos
So not only was Sanguinius killed, his sons are pretty much in eternal torment in their eternal crusade to serve the imperium.
Yeah, I can see how this is dark, but at the same time.
They do a better fucking job than most other chapters.
Because they are the Great Angel's sons.
@@mattaffenit9898 Indeed
how are they still alive, whilst the MM's havent been "accidentally exposed to corrupting influence requiring their extermination" after all these millenia? :(
The answer: Sanguinious protects
Their problem is simple. They follow the original teachings of the emperor and his will to the letter. They oftenly engage in last stands even for the smallest of lives. Their missfortune is the product of their sheer kindness and (honestly) bad tactical decisions for the sake of helping and saving others. Sometimes they got unlucky. But mostly they got destroyed because they made decisions even other of the kindest chapters wouldnt have. They are a bulkwark against terror. They embody Sanguinius kindness and love.
Well you are right on most parts, but that is mixed with their unnaturally bad misfortune when it comes to these things
I feel like that's dumbing down the bad luck a lot. Other chapters have similar attitudes, but they get chances to recover. The two seperate catastrophic ship failures thing alone is clearly meant to say: "hey, these guys are fucked". Stuff like that doesn't happen to the Salamanders or Space Wolves.
Their ship suffered a drive failure. Not going through the warp, not a warp drive failure, a regular flying through space drive failure that destroyed the whole ship. That's practically unheard of and it happened to them.
They are the true sons of Sanguinius
Ah yes I remember when that warp rift opened up because of them trying to help people
I wonder how the emperor feels about the high lords using a private army of space marines and trying to condemn an Astartes chapter to death.
Pretty pissed if I were him. To him these " space marines " could also be his sons beside his primarchs. And he would be quite piss when some dickhead make groups of ur sons to condemn another groups to death just because they care about the citizens and will die protecting them and have one of the worst luck. It like rather than help a members of ur family to stand up after a fall, you pick up a bat and break both of their legs just because they are "weak" to fall over like that.
Minotaurs?
@@natanlopes5254
I assumed Flame Falcons.
@@natanlopes5254
I think it's referring to the Celestial Lions. An Astarties chapter that has been driven to the edge of extinction by an Inquisitor. The Lions spoke out against the Inquisitor after he exterminautus a planet that the Lions JUST liberated from chaos worshipers.
The Inquisitor didn't take kindly to that so he ordered for them to be covertly destroyed.
The Celestial Lions are much like the Lamenters in that they are one of the genuinely honorable and heroic chapters. Who have a constant stream of shit poured into their heads.
@@Manfromthenorth0551 Didn't the Inquisition essentially sabotage and assassinate Celestial Lions eventually during an Ork invasion to the point they were down to, like, a squad?
Was it the Iron Fists or the Black Templars that took them in?
“The imperium quickly disintegrated after the emperor stopped powering the astronomicon, and spent the remainder of his physic power on finally giving the lamenters some good luck.” Terran Remembrancer, circa 40,100
I feel like this would be 41,001
Thomas takes a toll for the dark 42,001.
TTS is using the Ynead stuff. Can’t wait to see Gulliman get up,look around,and show everyone where Calgar gets his Ultra Fuckin’ Depression from.
@@redenginner "Ultra comforting"
Lamenters: *exist*
The Universe: wrong move bucko
The Universe: **death, betrayal, tyranid noms**
Lamenters: "That all you got?"
The Universe: **dials it up to '12'**
Lamenters: "Didn't think so."
The Universe: Adios fuckboi
Lamenters: I HEARD NO BELL
Universe is a bus to the rough side of town
Lamenters: chuckles I'm in danger
@@kanebekkattla3963
Lamentors: *packing a glock* "hehe boi"
And for the first time since being able to communicate with this godforsaken mockery of everything he tried to create, the Emperor wept. He wept for the one chapter of his grandchildren that, despite so much being stacked against them, lived to be everything he ever expected his Space Marines to be. The one chapter that, perhaps even more then the Salamanders, truly are his Space Marines.
*Immediately After/Not Fucking Canon*
*the moment the Emperor managed to stop weeping* "Bring them back."
"Sir?"
"I said, Bring. Them. Back. Call the astropath, tell them to come home, and tell those Cow Marines to give them their stuff back. How did we end up with those guys anyway?"
i wish that would happen
We can't right now, we're fighting a second hive-fleet splinter with a couple other chapters!
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 ya'll need to give your poor ol' boy Cyhron a call, he's mopey.
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 it's a top priority Marine! The Man-Emperor asks for your return so your unyielding loyalty may be rewarded! Come home brothers, you've earned yourselves one hell of a vacation
@@vladgabrielmatei9128 They won't leave... there are civilians in danger.
SEND THE BLACK TEMPLAR CRUSADES, AND THE SALAMANDERS!
"99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs, you take one out and patch it around, 162 little bugs in the code" -Cawl working on the Cursed Founding
*_AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA_*
I *really* shouldn’t have laughed as hard as I did but I did
No cawl did not makespess mureens suddup shuddup shuddup
At the end he doesn’t even ask for it to stop he just wants to know why and that is what’s most heartbreaking of this all
"For example, the Space Sharks."
"I believe they prefer to be called the Carcharodons."
"They are Space Sharks."
"But..."
"If they didn't want to be called as such they would have chosen a chapter name that wasn't an Old Terran word for a 'shark'."
"Fair point."
"Anyway, the Space Sharks. Who told them they could leave the galaxy and patrol the darkness of space?"
"I do not know my Emperor."
"So they made the decision themselves?"
"Yes. Maybe. I don't know I never cared to look into it."
"That is both a brilliant display of initiative and a terrible example of not doing as you're told. I specifically said that the Imperium would encompass this galaxy first and we never even covered all of it."
Imperium linking several galaxies... The very concept is... Peculiar
I'm relatively certain the Carcharodons are loyalist Night Lords, which explains why they stay away from the wider Imperium.
@@WhiteManOnCampus They basically imply in the books they are a cross between loyalist Night Lords and Raven Guard who pissed Corax off somehow and were told to go live int he dark forever being useful.
Well that was an impressive capturing of this series' writing style. I could 100% see that exact interaction playing out.
@@boothbytcd6011 Fascinating... But... How does a Primarch and Primarch...
It's a powerful statement that, The Minotaurs, the chapter actively stomping and slaughtering The Lamenters showed them the most love and respect out of all other chapters.
Idk, they basically had a years long pillow fight with the marines errant, that was a refreshing break in the badab fuckery
How so ?
@@DM-Oz They spared them.
Minotaurs do not spare their enemies. They only accept the total annihilation of their opposition. So the fact that the Minotaurs brought them back to Terra after their surrender for a trial by the High Lords is them showing the Lamenters more love and respect than they do to other renegades chapter.
Also, the Minotaurs also said that they forgave the Lamenters for fighting them.
@@quanghuynguyen7957 Also, the Lamenters did better against the Minotaurs than most chapters would like they were outnumbered and actively restraining themselves against arguably one of the most powerful SM chapters.
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 the Minotaurs aren’t particularly powerful, they’re just opportunistic. They mostly fight by jumping undermanned successor chapters while they themselves are operating at full chapter strength and running away once any of the big boy chapters shows up to slap their shit. They outright can’t operate in Ultramarine space because they’re listed as “kill on sight”, there’s no way they could fuck with any of the Dark Angel successors without bringing the full fucking legion down on their heads, the Black Templars would rip their assholes out through their tear ducts, the White Scars consider them speed bumps, the Blood Ravens stole all their fancy shit, the Space Wolves are the Emperor’s REAL executioners and would teach those pups a lesson, and the less said about what the Blood Angels would do to them the better. They’re pay to win noobs who have to rely on their high lord sugar daddies to not get their shit stomped by the chapters who do actual work
I think the decision to detonate the charges on Slaughterhouse III being made by the prisoners makes the outcome even more meaningful. The Lamenters were trying to protect civilians, and were willing to damn themselves in the process. No price was too high for them to bear, not even being lost to the Black Rage. The prisoners repaid their protectors in the only way they could. They gave them a quick and glorious death.
This is a good Halloween special, thank you Alfabusa, now I fear death
There are fates worse than death
@@rexlumontad5644 Like taxes. Or Cats(2019)
@@konradviii5663 Or being a Lamentor.
@@rexlumontad5644 or demonculaba
You were not joking, this was actually depressing.
*laments*
P.S. I’m now convinced you can land any tone: humorous, silly, sarcastic, epic, heroic, dark and now outright depressing. Emperor bless you for your talent and work. And the voice crew of course.
"for those we cherish we die in glory"
Didn't feel any depressing at all in this one. What got me though is when emps was reading Dorn the bedtime story and he says "Those are two of Guilliman's favorite things" as he's passing out. It starts to rain just a little. Felt like he was holding back tears. Looking back on it now, it actually looks more like snow and I don't know how to feel about that.
The Lamenters must join the Bro-Crusade. Only the magical hugs of friendship can save them!
maybe the Emperor should order the Ultramarines to rescue and then join forces with the Lamenters. Perhaps their ultra-sue powers would counteract the curse, or the curse would tone down the Mary sue powers?
"As if a cabal of fucking wizards put an evil spell on it"
"Is that really so unlikely, Master?"
I fucked died at this exchange. Made me crack up so hard.
And the worst curse of them all: They are Yellow. There is no more accursed color to paint than that one
*the iron fists look at you all armed with Heavy bolters, Bolt rifles, plasma and other not fun weapons*
You are WEAK
@@lupvirga- *Black Templar Deathwatch Marine in civilian clothing appears and shows the Inquisitorial Sign* -
Did you say Iron Fists? Don't you mean *IMPERIAL FISTS* citizen?
But, but yellow unz are more explodey!
With a checkerboard pattern on their pauldrons, to really drive home the point that no one will ever play as them since they're too difficult to paint right
"The space marines carry a terrible curse."
"That's bad"
"But they come with free primaris!"
"That's Good!"
"The primaris are also cursed."
"Can I go crusade now?"
My personal headcannon for the Lamenters is that they where so freaking Noble that they inspired the imperium to work together more and kicked loads of ass. Therefor Chaos devoted a huge amount of resources to stamping them out/ making sure that timeline never comes about. But as I said they are true sons of Sanguineous, they fight, they fall, they get beaten down, but the NEVER lose hope. This lets them rise again and again.
Look up the Afriel Strain - apparently it's an unwritten rule of the 40k universe that 'trying to make artificial perfection leads to bad luck.' and albinisim.
2:36; The emperor’s sorrow is especially potent given that they’re Sanguinius’s gene-sons. In TTS at least its consistently shown that because of his sacrifice Sanguinius is the emperor’s most beloved, or at least most missed, son. I think TTS Emps loves all his sons (except for FUCKING HORUS...and that with good reason) in some capacity...there was an entire absence of an episode about it. But its easiest for him to express his love and attachment and particularly mourning for Sanguinius because of how he died. “A father should not outlive their children.” So seeing that a group of Sanguinius’s gene-sons has been shafted so hard, half by fate (FUCK YOU TZEENTCH) and half by the Imperium itself is just an incontrovertible measure of misery for him. That it all started with pointless superstition, something Big E has a particular disdain for only compounds the factor (to clarify, had other chapters not treated them like shit so often because they were “cursed”, they might not have ended accidentally latching on to the wrong side in the Badab War and thus screwed over by the Minotaurs and put on a penitent crusade). Its just everything about the Lamenters is just everything he hated about old believes affecting his Imperium coupled with the fucking Chaos Gods to fuck over some of his favorite son’s sons.
In related news, I’d say Emperor help the Inquisition (he won’t) if Dorn hear’s a word about what happened to the Celestial Lions, but the Inquisition’s already been blasted to kingdom come. On the other hand, the Officio Assassinorum has no such defense, and they did let themselves be tools of the inquisition. So...anyone have the foam to watch Dorn go apeshit?
I got lots of foam here what flavor spaghetti, fish, ooh popcorn
The madlads actually did it. On a scale of 1 to 10 how soul crushing was the process of making it, and how many manly tears were wept?
10
40,000
A mere 30 brothers made it...
given that it crushed our boi, and he's still trying to get his empathy BACK, im guessing a lot :(
All of them!
At first I was just laughing and then that existential dread kicked in and well I don't feel too good anymore.
Lamenters are totally just the “BORN TO DIE” meme manifest
Does every sci-fi universe have that cast? Halo has it. Spartan-IIIs: disposable superheroes, trading lives for time. Send in a battle company of a few hundred to take out a high priority target. Suicide charge.
@@TimeCircleBlue nah, sci fi universes are actually pretty diverse. I mean, take the hypertechnological, pacifist federation from Star Trek, the space crisaders with space wizards fighting space heretics of 40k, the ancap Starship Troopers and the ones i dont know, you'll find they're all a but different
@@TimeCircleBlue for instance, Krieg as a concept is unique to 40k, "service guarantees citizenship" to ST, poorly defined magic and technology on a massive scale to Star Wars, being extremely derivative but still nice to Starcraft, etc
Lamenters are the WH40k equivalent to "Hug Brad".
410,757,864,530 DEAD LAMENTERS
(warning: this is not funny it's just depressing)
I'm sure it's not that bad
*watches*
Oh man...this is actually depressing
Nah. It's like watching a less funny roadrunner montage. You know the anvil is coming, you're not sure exactly what it will look like, and the setup is dumb enough that the character's suffering is detached from the human experience.
Oh it is funny, the funny is just followed by the realization its funny due to the sheer misery those guys endured.
As a fan of big friendly guys from Salamanders chapter, I just want to hug these guys, just let them cry and shout. They suffered many shit in life and so they just need someone, who can support them and heal their pain of being unlucky. They tried so hard and that's... That is unfair, y'know.
Emperor, please, bless and protect them... Guide them to the fate, they REALLY deserve...
I just want Vulkan to show up and give them one of his hugs and be their friend.
one long hug for each marine, accompanied by pillows, hot chocolate and the best couches providable is the least they deserve!
I read that entirely in Vulkan's voice and even my dead heart was touched.
2:25 Colonel Roy Mustang: "It's a terrible day for rain."
*Commissar Roy Mustang
@@spongeyspikes09 Commissar Colonel Mustang
*AME WA INTENSIFIES*
Existence: *Constant death and pain from all sides*
Lamenters: I don’t hear no bell.
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That actually is depressing.... Welp, in honor of the Lamenters:
"For those we cherish, we die in Glory!"
And now, I go cry a bit.... because fuck it is depressing to think about.
@Brent Anderson I find you funny, cause you're a joke.
Don't cry for what happens to us. Smile for what we have done.
Galaxy : (Constantly afflicts the Lamenters with every horror, misfortune and grief it can muster)
Lamenters : *I could do this all day*
Keep in mind, people. This is the asshole compassionless half of the Emperor. And even he cries over the Lamenters' fates.
For those we cherish, we die in glory.
The Lamenters, i believe, are the epitomy of the loyal Chapters.
Look at how much shit they've gone through, how many of their prayers go unanswered. Yet they stand firm in their loyalty to the Imperium.
No matter how many times they've been nearly wiped out, no matter how many times the universe conspires against them, they stand for their beliefs, and they stand for the Imperium.
So many others have turned to Chaos for far less than the Lamenters have suffered. But they remain loyal.
Personally i think they should come join us.
But you gotta respect the guys, for all the shit they suffer, they don't break.
Mmmmyep, no contest here.
Aside from the Chaos thing.
Gives me conniptions.
The day they join chaos is when the court fucking space tumors become good and help out humanity soooooooo never
and the Worst part of their Curse?
they always survive enough to rebuild, for it to happen again.
I blame Chaos for this
@@Zero01k I bet Tzeech personally sees to it they are plucked back from the brink of extinction
just so he can see it all happen again.
But... doesn't that prove they're actually the toughest Chapter of all? They keep getting knocked down; beaten, broken, but they STILL haven't given up.
You ask me, they're cursed with absurd circumstantial misfortune, but blessed with incredible resolve and dedication.
They're damned heroes. And they deserve at least to be told as much.😭
Are there any of like, the original Lamenters left? I imagine no at this point, correct?
@@DatCameraMON There is a lamenters dreadnaught that’s been put on as a permanent member of the deathwatch, who believes he is the last of his chapter left alive.
I feel like all the luck is being sucked out of the Lamentor chapter to empower Ciaphas Cain's.
Nah, I think the ultrasmurfs got it. Gotta say, though, Cain + Lamenters on an adventure would be fucking outstanding. People tend to forget that Cain's luck cuts both ways - he gets out of some unreasonable shit, but he also ends up in the middle of like three unrelated plots simultaneously. Him along with the Lamenters would pretty much guarantee whatever they were doing immediately went wrong, but Lamenter tenacity plus Cain's ability to luckily unfuck himself would be amazing to see combined.
@@halykan It'd be a Red Letter Day where the Lamenters only take a SINGLE casualty instead of 2/3s their entire fucking chapter thanks to Cain EXPERTLY (Read: Accidentally) catching the Gellar Field Failure before it could kick in and set up an excellent stopgap (Read: Duct Tape and Glue) that the Astropaths can get the ship out of the Warp, the one casualty being from a seperate failure taking out the lights in the room.
Fabulous hawk boys with a heart of gold and a heat on their shoulders
Why would a Son of Nostramo say such a thing?
@@darthlazurus4382 we might like to flay people alive and user their screams to jam transmissions (actual thing that happened) but we are not so heartless that we don’t feel sorry for the lamenters.
You are WEAK
@@ferrusmanus4013 I don’t need to take that from a Skost!
@@ferrusmanus4013 Shut your ghost face, *you are not friend*
Imagine exorcising your “human element”/emotions to become a godlike chair-bound skeleton emperor and still feeling for the Lamenters chapter.
Man, I've loved the Lamenters for years now. I'm glad they're getting mainstream love
You are WEAK
@@johncanavisw considering that I don't know a single 40k fan that doesn't know about TTS... it kida does
@@johncanavisw Pretty sure TTS is as mainstream as it gets concerning 40k
TTS is canon, this is common knowledge.
Scones are sandwiches
Lamenters: Why do you give me your toughest battles?!
Big E: You are my greatest warriors.
TTS Canon Confirmed: Emps is gonna help the Lamenters, and finally do something that rewards his truly most loyal followers and recognizes the one noblebright spark in the Imperium that outshines even the Astronomican.
Knowing the Lamenters, though, it'll somehow blow up in their faces.
@@MishraArtificer you forget something- he is the motherfucking emperor. XD hopefully that is enough.
@@MishraArtificer Lol, no. It will blow up on the Minotaurs instead. Karma's a bitch
@@MishraArtificer Probably warp f*ckery would be the cause, and he'd get rid if that
@@rexlumontad5644 yes, send the minotaurs on a solo crusade
Lamenters are the best chapter.
"FOR THOSE WE CHERISH, WE DIE IN GLORY"
For all the chapters that turned traitor because of tragedy, the Lamentors have taken punishment far worse, and still continue to fight for the Empirium and its people. And I freaking love them for that.
The Lamenters are the embodiment of the phrase
"No good deed goes unpunished"
I mean the Salamanders does things fine
Since Sanguinius is the Emperor's favorite Primarch, he probably treats the Blood Angels and most of their successors as his favorite Chapters. I can understand why he'd be really sad to hear what happened to the Lamenters, one of the few actually nice Space Marine chapters.
I think Horus is (or was) the Emperor's favorite, Sanguinius was the IMPERIUM's favorite. There's a pretty important distinction there
@@MattManDX1 well in tts sanguinius is the favorite because of obvious reasons.
@@MattManDX1 Certainly pre-Heresy, that's true. I think the Emperor's opinions have shifted since then, given how well TTS Emperor speaks of his beloved winged boy.
Sanguinius is in 40k heaven along with col. Corbec and Bob the Ogryn, well, or at least Dante saw him giving him a cheers up to keep going after fighting to near-death against the Swarmlord at the end of the Devastation of Baal. 40k is such an unfair universe even BL authors feel like they need to give their good characters something better than "and his soul dissipated into oblivion in the warp" or "got his soul eternally tortured by daemons".
Interestingly Age of Sigmar also give hints on this matter, firs off yes, it appears thanks to some new fluff it's connected through the warp to 40k, again, and then there have been a few stories where Nagash, the God of Death and some other characters reveal there are people who are truly and definitely dead to the point not even the gods can resurrect them, not fallen into oblivion but gone to an unreachable place, what is this place, well, maybe is the Retconian, or maybe something else, who knows? All settings have their unsolvable mysteries, and I think this is ok, gives you something to wonder about.
The 40k Emperor is still very busily doing as little as possible on his magic chair (whilst simultaneously fighting the greatest psychic battle ever fought...with help.)
I'll wade in at this point and say that no, Sanguinius was not the Emperor's favourite Primarch...the Emperor was above a favourite. After all, he kept Angron alive, even with the Butcher's Nails, and permitted Curze to be Curze, which was a really, really bad idea it turned out.
Hell yeah. That was good. Lamentors are some of the best marines to ever have been written. They are just salamanders who are really unlucky but also from blood Angel's. It also took them a lot longer to start seeing the effects of the black rage.
Me: *Excited Alfabusa is doing more stuff about the Blood Angels*
Alfabusa: Yeah but it's the sad ska bois
My Depression: oh HELL yeah
Now that I think about it, is there a non-depressing TTS video about BA? The other one I know of is the Sanguinala video
@@jeddpires Ah, Sanguinala. The day the whole Imperium celebrates the life of the greatest of Primarchs. Except the Blood Angels (and successors), who instead spend it in mourning, as brothers around them succumb to the Black Rage and in turn remember the death of their genefather anew.