Were There Pagan Goddesses in Christian Europe? - Ronald Hutton

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @ladyjusticesusan
    @ladyjusticesusan Год назад +79

    Dr. Hutton is a true treasure. I can’t get enough of him. Thank you with all my heart for posting these lectures. I would otherwise have zero opportunity to see him.
    (From sunny Florida, USA.)

    • @BaldingClamydia
      @BaldingClamydia 10 месяцев назад +2

      Fellow Floridian here with the same sentiment!

    • @johnsarlon9n
      @johnsarlon9n 9 месяцев назад +3

      I'm surprised they aren't banned in Florida.

    • @BaldingClamydia
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      @@johnsarlon9n it's only a matter of time

    • @delphinidin
      @delphinidin Месяц назад +1

      goddess bless ronald hutton!

    • @VickyGRUENBLAT
      @VickyGRUENBLAT 26 дней назад

      New Floridian here.

  • @nardo218
    @nardo218 9 месяцев назад +18

    thank you so much for posting these. I am looking to study in grad school exactly this work so it's extremely valuable to me to hear these lectures from a leader in the field. Thanks so much to Dr. Hutton for being so kind and generous with his time and so open with his research!

  • @KarlKarsnark
    @KarlKarsnark Год назад +33

    Always a treat to hear a lecture from Dr. Hutton.

  • @tonyevans9999
    @tonyevans9999 Год назад +19

    When you know it's Hutton by the title alone, fascinating insights incoming!

  • @BaldingClamydia
    @BaldingClamydia 10 месяцев назад +10

    Oh, I'm a little late to this one, but if Prof Hutton is the lecturer, I have to watch :D

  • @DieNibelungenliad
    @DieNibelungenliad Год назад +77

    I love Ronald

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      @KotyAtamanshiGB Год назад +10

      Everybody loves Ronald

    • @TheStoryCrow
      @TheStoryCrow 9 месяцев назад +2

      @@KotyAtamanshiGBI came here to write that.

    • @matimus100
      @matimus100 8 месяцев назад

      Congratulations on being in love with another man Thanks for letting everyone know on RUclips

    • @DieNibelungenliad
      @DieNibelungenliad 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@matimus100 You should know it too

    • @LightBeing369
      @LightBeing369 8 месяцев назад +3

      ✌🏼Indeed, what a brilliant mind. Could listen to this amazing man all day

  • @authormichellefranklin
    @authormichellefranklin Год назад +18

    Always a treat to see Prof. Ronald Hutton!

  • @geraldinehughes4490
    @geraldinehughes4490 Год назад +10

    Stellar, I appreciate you Professor Hutton. You made my day going forward into old age. You are a dear gentleman, thank you, Geraldine

  • @darlebalfoort8705
    @darlebalfoort8705 8 месяцев назад +4

    Having read some of these works, I find his comments quiet salient. Excellent lecture.

  • @AndYourLittleDog
    @AndYourLittleDog Год назад +6

    What a treat it is to see Dr Hutton

  • @a.h.5296
    @a.h.5296 3 месяца назад +1

    I am so grateful to have access to this

  • @jamiegallier2106
    @jamiegallier2106 8 месяцев назад +3

    These lecture videos are much appreciated. ❤

  • @ZealotKarrde
    @ZealotKarrde Месяц назад +1

    Outstanding lecture!

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey944 8 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for posting.

  • @johnmanno2052
    @johnmanno2052 8 месяцев назад +3

    This guy's AMAZING!! Always a brilliant lecture.

  • @faithlesshound5621
    @faithlesshound5621 10 месяцев назад +2

    One conclusion I took away is that the construction of goddesses, or figures akin to them (theogony), had not ceased in the middle ages. These new figures in peoples minds were not simply survivals of earlier beliefs, but may have derived from fresh creations by storytellers.
    It's like how some kinds of folk music have been shown to have grown out of artistic compositions from a different time and place.
    In our own time, we can pin down exactly who wrote stories about fictional characters like Sherlock Holmes and Harry Potter and when they were published. For creations of earlier times we don't know who first made up the story, since what we have is like several generations later of fanfiction, where only what tickles people's fancy or resonates with them survives the retelling.
    Carl Jung and Sir James Frazer suggested that there are patterns that recur in what we make up. That may account for the similarities to earlier religious beliefs, rather than their "underground" continuance.

  • @Istehomo
    @Istehomo Год назад +7

    These lectures by Ronald Hutton have been absolutely fantastic.

  • @amanitamuscaria7500
    @amanitamuscaria7500 9 месяцев назад +2

    excellent. Thank you.

  • @AnnaSibirskaja
    @AnnaSibirskaja Год назад +6

    Amazing, thank you ❤

  • @dorothyjones8937
    @dorothyjones8937 9 месяцев назад +2

    Just want to say thank you. I am a devoted fan.

  • @Goldlion973
    @Goldlion973 Год назад +7

    Classifying customs as relics of past beliefs and ritual. Yes! Once wrote a paper on 80s Punk rock as a cult of Loki who in myth was chained beneath the earth, thrashing as he is spat upon by a snake.
    Ditto Hip hop as a cult of the deity Eshu the trickster and Pomba Gira, his wife.

  • @vladimirp2674
    @vladimirp2674 Год назад +8

    Prof. Hutton is a wiseacre. Such a harmonized and profount thread. We a gonna to learn much from him.

  • @ConLustig
    @ConLustig 8 месяцев назад +6

    Would love to hear him examine st Bridget in this context

    • @MrTheLuckyshot
      @MrTheLuckyshot Месяц назад

      That was 100% what I thought the Celtic example would be.

  • @janinebean4276
    @janinebean4276 8 месяцев назад +8

    Women need figures to look up to and empathize with as well, and Christianity is famously patriarchal. It makes sense that women created their own figures

  • @pendragon_cave1405
    @pendragon_cave1405 Год назад +9

    Love his work and really looking forward to where his interests and research take him, especially on the rise of spiritual, non christian female figures of power within the relatively new (to the UK) patriarchal christian religion
    Also, what a legend for being able to remove his jacket, continue talking, and manage the microphone with barely missing a beat

    • @matimus100
      @matimus100 8 месяцев назад

      You love really easy we noticed regularly

  • @diogenes9524
    @diogenes9524 7 месяцев назад +3

    It would be interesting to hear Dr Hutton's analysis of several popular and folkloric customs which are commonly assumed to support the idea that vestiges of pagan *worship* survived Christian hegemony. The veneration of Irish Holy Wells maintains a veneer of Christianinty, but until the late 19th century was combined with much excess of bad behaviour including drinking, brutal faction fighting and licenciosness that it was outlawed by the Catholic, Church, yet 'well dressing' has endured, and a great many wells are still cared for and revered. Halloween and The Pace Egg plays were clearly versions of archetypal elemental ritual, including magical potions,which suggest physical participation rather than mere 'thoughts' or literary phenomena. The use of drugs to aid transscendent states, ubiquitous since the 1960s, can surely be classified as pagan religion. The active molecules may have changed but the experience is unaffected by Christian doctrine.

  • @esthermarygold-lowe4403
    @esthermarygold-lowe4403 9 месяцев назад +4

    Also, read the books of the apocrypha. There is a divine feminine. The mother/father.

  • @BlessedFigTree
    @BlessedFigTree 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you! Very nice lecture.

  • @andrewstehlik3917
    @andrewstehlik3917 10 месяцев назад +7

    Well, by the time Leviathan got to the book of Job it was quite old chap! What we have in those chapters of the book of Job is extensive quotation and gentle reworking of the Ancient Near East cosmology. And Leviathan had its predecessor in monster Litan - for instance in Ugaritic mythology.

  • @VEDADDY_OFFICIAL
    @VEDADDY_OFFICIAL Год назад +3

    Fascinating

  • @curtiswfranks
    @curtiswfranks Год назад +1

    I love Dr. Hutton!

    • @matimus100
      @matimus100 8 месяцев назад +1

      When did you first discover you were in love?

    • @curtiswfranks
      @curtiswfranks 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@matimus100: Maybe a year or two ago, hahaha!

  • @mjcaw5790
    @mjcaw5790 3 месяца назад

    Lovely Professor Hutton

  • @ramuz-ff3cf
    @ramuz-ff3cf 10 месяцев назад +2

    Verdadero mucho gracias

  • @Mrs.Entwife
    @Mrs.Entwife 2 месяца назад

    We have a tendency to put all magic/superstition into a religious box, assuming that it must either be "Christian" or "pagan". Anything that is not explicitly Christian is labeled "pagan" regardless of whether it has ties to pagan tradition.
    But folk belief/tales/magic is it's own thing, existing and evolving alongside and ignoring religious orthodoxy. Think about how Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) would use divining rods and seer stones. The practices were still somewhat taboo but never considered "pagan".

  • @ramuz-ff3cf
    @ramuz-ff3cf 10 месяцев назад

    salud dr. hutton dame mas por favor mas

  • @KernowekTim
    @KernowekTim 9 месяцев назад +4

    Professor Hutton's detractors are entitled to their collective of contrary views. Without contradiction we would never progress. They also share other common denominators; they do not command the universal respect that Professor Hutton has earned, nor will they probably ever be elevated to the post of a living British and Irish National Historical Treasure; in my opinion.

  • @eccoeco3454
    @eccoeco3454 6 месяцев назад +6

    It's a bit reductive... He really took the bits and pieces of ginzburg that fitted his argument and left all the rest, also ignoring a lot other studies on the matter of night figures that have been written...
    It's interesting and surelly at least somewhat true but... Overall a bit unconvincing

    • @bwhitedpencilbox889
      @bwhitedpencilbox889 6 месяцев назад +2

      He ignored actual linguists when he dismissed Perchta as a personification of epiphany, he didn’t site Erika Timms work and she is the expert in the field and wrote a whole book. His citation for this is an English paper which imo he also cherry picked and misconstrued. There is a whole body of positive folklore that is not only on epiphany around Perchta which he seems completely ignorant about

    • @eccoeco3454
      @eccoeco3454 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@bwhitedpencilbox889 he ignored the work of a lot of scholars... I have some experience with these figures mostly on the Italian side... It's clear he completely ignores all scholarship that isn't in English and has an attitude that remembers me of the british armchair anthropologists (and academics in general) of a century ago or so... And well... It's annoying to listen... Public attention is a horrible illness for academics... We have come to a point where you don't even need to win a Nobel to get Nobel disease

  • @speedwagon1824
    @speedwagon1824 Год назад +2

    Why did you stop putting names on the thumbnails?

  • @delphinidin
    @delphinidin Месяц назад

    I mean, hekate WAS depicted as traveling at night with a retinue of torch-carrying lampads, just like the Lady's retinue were often described as bright or shining.... I don't think the association of the Lady with hekate is too far a stretch.

  • @NatrixianNature
    @NatrixianNature 10 месяцев назад +8

    This is a brilliant and fascinating lecture. I do wish they had mic’d professor mouth-sounds differently though.

  • @JohnLandau-h5g
    @JohnLandau-h5g Год назад +5

    Why don't you mention Spenser's "The Fairie Queen," the literary classic that most celebrates this being, whom Spenser identified with Elizabeth I?

    • @jarrettperdue3328
      @jarrettperdue3328 8 месяцев назад

      Was curious about that too

    • @livrowland171
      @livrowland171 7 месяцев назад +2

      Maybe because apart from the name, it's not really about her

  • @JohnLandau-h5g
    @JohnLandau-h5g Год назад +8

    There is overwhelming evidence that some elements of pre-Christian culture survived the triumph of the Christian faith. Most notably, the preservation of the writings of numerous Greek and Roman authors. Even more so, the widespread view of Christian scholars that Aristotle, a pre-Christian philosopher, was the ultimate authority about scientific questions, logic, and many other matters that interested medieval and Renaissance scholars. There was also some adoption of pre-Christian popular culture and pre-Christian folk practices. For example, numerous wells that in pre-Christian Ireland that had been considered holy places, appropriate sites for meditation and prayer in pre-Christian times, continued to be considered holy places, fitting sites for meditation and prayer, in Christian times. (Take for example, Singh's play The Well of the Saints, which focuses on these traditional Irish beliefs). However, very few if any of these survivals of pre-Christian civilization were incompatible with Christian doctrine, and they did not pose any sort of threat to Christianity as the dominant faith.

  • @janinebean4276
    @janinebean4276 8 месяцев назад +4

    It’s also possible that the churchmen chronically underestimated women and thought women were silly, so didn’t take their traditions seriously

  • @S.J.L
    @S.J.L Месяц назад +1

    "Pagan" is a Abrahamic ethnic slur against the native religions and cultures of Europe. It's more accurate to say Indo European religion or native European religion.

  • @yensid4294
    @yensid4294 Год назад +3

  • @dafyddthomas6897
    @dafyddthomas6897 9 месяцев назад +2

    By mediaeval times, all Classical Paganism had died out.
    Therefore it was necessary to build a Paganism fit for that society.

    • @HeatherWP
      @HeatherWP 3 месяца назад +1

      If it had died out, why, in your opinion, would anyone wish to rebuild Classical Paganism during such a religiously tumultuous time?

  • @wyattrussell7496
    @wyattrussell7496 9 месяцев назад

    The exile of the Egyptian princess Scotia

  • @paulwillard9687
    @paulwillard9687 7 месяцев назад

    What about if you break a mirror, you bury it on a full or new moon

  • @nono_noxx
    @nono_noxx 9 месяцев назад

    i could listen to him all day

  • @karljosephburrows8482
    @karljosephburrows8482 9 месяцев назад +2

    Macbeth's witches

  • @serpentinesecrets6771
    @serpentinesecrets6771 2 месяца назад

    Could they be European folk saints? Not recognized by the church

  • @chriswarburtonbrown1566
    @chriswarburtonbrown1566 4 месяца назад

    Can he please be the next Dr Who?

  • @goodgrief888
    @goodgrief888 Месяц назад +1

    This is interesting. I just wish I didn’t have to hear the spittle in his mouth every time he opens his mouth, and hear every time he swallows. Having the microphone right at his mouth is a very bad idea. Please hire a professional sound person to make this less horrific.

  • @16252
    @16252 Год назад +2

    cool

  • @peterharris8471
    @peterharris8471 9 месяцев назад +2

    Ah, Dr Hutton, the very antithesis of Dr Dawkins. Both fill my desire for big words in a British accent.

  • @francisfischer7620
    @francisfischer7620 Год назад +2

    Heavens, what do you think Mary was?!!

  • @ramuz-ff3cf
    @ramuz-ff3cf 10 месяцев назад

    Cerdadero mucho gracias

  • @molochi
    @molochi Год назад +3

    Excluding mention of Freya/Freyja seemed odd and pointed. Especially with her association to the Valkyrie.

  • @SimonORorke
    @SimonORorke Год назад +2

    Please stop the ads that have suddenly started appearing top left in Gresham videos. They are very distracting, as are the repeated exhortations that I subscribe etc.

  • @KerilynDesiree
    @KerilynDesiree 8 месяцев назад +2

    Usa is so sad. What a displaced people with no root anymore.

  • @lisamomon6793
    @lisamomon6793 8 месяцев назад

    Sure went underground

  • @JJONNYREPP
    @JJONNYREPP Год назад +2

    Were There Pagan Goddesses in Christian Europe? isn't that what some woman suggested many years ago - maybe she partook of Gresham college during her teen angst years...and that these paganistic rites are just built upon, redefined and recast with another face or persona at it's centre.....? roman catholicism is rife with it's martyrs - and seems somewhat blood thirsty... p.s i wonder if you will end with some reference to martyrdom or sacrificial rites with this lecture...?

    • @FischerNilsA
      @FischerNilsA Год назад +3

      Early christianity appropriated pagan traditions wherever possible.
      Even rather basic things like the christmas date, easter spring celebrations, autumn celebrations of the dead, holy springs ect have very clear pagan precursors and where added to catholic dogma in the times the religion was new in the areas it spread to.
      Now the neopagan feminist movements did overstate that stuff a lot and invented parts outright, but at its core they were not wholly wrong.

    • @Wotsitorlabart
      @Wotsitorlabart Год назад +3

      ​​​@@FischerNilsA
      The setting of Christmas Day on 25th of December did not coincide directly with a pagan festival.
      There is little evidence that there were pagan early spring celebrations (May being the month for such festivities). But in any case the timing of Easter was fixed by Scripture as the trial and execution of Christ took place during the Jewish Passover - ie early Spring.
      Despite popular belief All Hallows Eve (Halloween) and the Christian festivals of All Saints and All Souls that follow were not celebrated on November 1st and 2nd to appropriate the pagan Irish festival of Samhain. Rome had very early decreed that May 13th be the day to celebrate All Saints but by 800 the English and German churches had begun to celebrate on 1st November (perhaps the gloomy northern season suited the sombre nature of the festival rather better than a sunny May). As Samhain was not found in either England or Germany there was clearly no ulterior motive behind this. And to to reinforce that point the Irish Church actually celebrated All Saints Day on 20th April. It clearly felt no threat from the pagan festival.

  • @justinswingle4714
    @justinswingle4714 Год назад +2

    well, i know there are still pagen goddesses in Los Angeles!

  • @charlenebaganzmoore
    @charlenebaganzmoore 7 дней назад

    What an entitled monster 💀?

  • @electraruby
    @electraruby 3 месяца назад

    Wow that's interesting ! New pagan feminine archetypes emerged from the medieval psyche. I guess modern archetypes are channelled through popular entertainers. Madonna and Taylor swift for example

  • @jamesstevenson7725
    @jamesstevenson7725 6 месяцев назад +2

    this guy is a fraud

  • @HeatherWP
    @HeatherWP 3 месяца назад +1

    I simply don’t see how anyone can say that there was no surviving Pagan/Polytheistic beliefs or practices that carried over from the Iron Age through to the Medieval Era. It’s simply irrational. Christianity may have suppressed Paganism to a great extent and one could argue that it went from suppression to obliteration during the Medieval period, but to insist that a Christian might invent a new goddess in a time that it would be outrageously daring to do so, seems more than implausible.
    One needs only to look at the story of Saint Patrick removing the Pagans from Ireland to see that Paganism existed alongside Christianity. Though it’s a story of the eradication of Paganism in Ireland, it seems rather presumptuous to think that eliminating Paganism was entirely successful.
    I’m sure over time one may argue that Paganism died out but it’s rather difficult to kill an idea. That idea may have morphed and changed but that doesn’t make its origin in any way Christian. Nor can it reasonably be attributed to rising out of Christianity. (Even if removed from Christianity and arising from some need to fill a void.)Particularly when much of Christianity itself has been proven to retain elements of Pagan beliefs and traditions.
    The argument presented is simply not convincing.

  • @heidifarstadkvalheim4952
    @heidifarstadkvalheim4952 4 месяца назад

    ... how can he hold a hole lecture about the femine divine in wetern culture, without even menthion Frøya/ Freya ! - she was transformed in cristianity to a fertile godess fore beathy, But she was older than Odin and his gang. She was " vane" - from an older divinety were she had appeard with her brother Frøy - and her father Njord and probably mother ( she has vanished ... surprised ) maybe the old Great Godess ( peculiar that the the word GOD is non gender plural - it) Nerthus. Føya was as powefull as Odin became to be. She was to pick the dead first... And in the old skripst and manushirpts she was only referd to as BIG. She was not tied to a male - she had sex with everone she pleased - and she did not give in to anyone. But Snorre Sturlason adjust her to what cristian male priest could axept. Frøya said to be apekted in many female diety. And its a lot ( more female divinety than male divinety in norse reliogin) But Frøya was older than the norse mythology ( who proably came with the indo european influence from the earia around the Black Sea. I suggest to read Maria Kvilhaug ( she has english podcast and has writen to books in English .. althoug she is Norwegian) Often goes wrong when men are telling the story about women...

  • @mischiefisaspeil
    @mischiefisaspeil 8 месяцев назад

    I believe it’s Nerthus the lost earth goddess of the Germanic tribes. She is documented by Tacitus. The great mother existed just wasn’t allowed to be seen by the male dominated religions. But she led the wild hunt prior to Odin. Iduna is the Persephone of Nordic myths.

  • @lw1zfog
    @lw1zfog 6 месяцев назад +1

    the blokes a wrong’un

  • @jarrettperdue3328
    @jarrettperdue3328 8 месяцев назад

    I feel like I learned as much about sweaty, preoccupied, male scholars as I did about the overt subject matter 😁

  • @jeffreybrannen9465
    @jeffreybrannen9465 11 месяцев назад +2

    The very definition of “wet” speaking. If I put the volume very low and put the phone far enough away, I can avoid the revolting noises his voice makes.
    The material is interesting enough to get through the terrible speaking. It’s like listening to someone talking with Kraft macaroni and cheese in his mouth for over an hour

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 10 месяцев назад +1

      I must be grateful for my poor hearing then, for I was in no way incommoded by any of the noises you perceived. Just as I am able to sleep well at night without feeling that there is a pea under my mattress.

    • @jarrettperdue3328
      @jarrettperdue3328 8 месяцев назад

      The Empire Strikes Back; Han cuts open the dead taun-taun ....

  • @ArmyJames
    @ArmyJames Год назад

    What is like to know is: Were there pagans before there were humans?

  • @Johnnycdrums
    @Johnnycdrums Год назад +2

    Heresy yes.
    Paganism?
    Of course, and this is well known.

  • @The_Letter_J6
    @The_Letter_J6 8 месяцев назад

    Seems like he's conflating paganism with Christianity, reducing the latter to a mere reworking of "more ancient literature." This is utter rubbish and nonsensical to any lover of the truth, which can only be found in the KJV Bible.

    • @HeatherWP
      @HeatherWP 3 месяца назад +2

      I’m a modern day Polytheist (and highly educated in the subject of the ancient gods), we are therefore, for all intents and purposes, on opposite sides of the spectrum. I absolutely agree with you! It’s as if the two things were smashed together in a way that they shouldn’t be at all. I find it incomprehensible tbh.

  • @JD-qh3sd
    @JD-qh3sd 11 месяцев назад +2

    The rhythm and tone of this speaker is painful to listen to. Even if one is going to simply read a scripted presentation word-for-word, there are ways to do it better than this.

  • @SophiaisMotherEarth
    @SophiaisMotherEarth 8 месяцев назад

    You are a Fruit LOOP!!!

  • @baldrbraa
    @baldrbraa 6 месяцев назад

    No, because they don’t exist.

  • @christeankapp6549
    @christeankapp6549 Год назад +2

    why can't scholars present well. They just read off some paper.

  • @LPRH246
    @LPRH246 Год назад

    Really I'm no academic and your way behind.... Get up to speed