mara what if I'm a 12 year old who knows to say "an eleven year old" instead of "a eleven year old"? Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but ur just being annoying
Really enjoyed seeing this camera. I love to learn about other cameras, not just the usual Nikon, Canon, Sony etc. Even though it is out of most peoples price range, it is good to know these things exist.
Good to know for around $1500 you can get a Pentax k-3 with a good kit zoom, decent prime and maybe even a vintage 50mm macro and set of extension tubes. This is just silly. Even museums don’t NEED this...
Not quite. I bought a Phase One digital back used recently. In 12 years my P25 mfdb for my Hasselblad dropped in price from $36,000 to just under $3,000, so a drop of about 12x or down to 8% of its original new cost. So you are right, with new technology the costs of these tools will drop dramatically. But they probably won’t drop to $1k in 10 years...
Riley Primus. In 10 years, top rated artists who use such tools, will have earned premium wages, way more than enough to fund then current couple of hundreds of megapixels, true 3d cameras, and fools like you, will be wondering, why these nerds, keep staying at the forefront of the game. So, selling their used ones to you for 3,000 dollars will be a steal for themsake, not for yours.
Having been in the game since early 70's.. I can honestly say... ' I don't get it'. I don't get any part of this. 60K on a B & W only hobby camera? Use of filters to shoot humans? I get the mystic of medium format. But, I just don't get this digital back whatsoever. For comparable results, there are much affordable and sensible options out there. I'm happy you had a good time with it... But I still don't get it.
Totally agree iwth you. This is niche camera for wannabe 'artists' who have too much money on their hands. 95% of the results shown here in this video can be achieved with the less-than-1000$ DSLR/mirrorless camera shooting RAW.
Thing that pops out at first sight to my eyes is that digital b/w feels so lifeless. Images got great quaility of pixel, but an Ilford Delta film is still more vivid and warmer.
thexfaceable, i think it's not intended to be "warm" or "expressive" right outside the box, but rather "cold" and "precise" quality that you can still filter/edit in any way you like. Gives you some top quality data to work with.
I think I'm most impressed by the UI of this camera! Improving the menu systems on cameras, especially those with a touch screen, seems like a relatively easy way for manufactures to radically improve their ability to compete...
Maybe wait 10 years or so. Check the prices on the 22 and 33 mp Phase One/Mamiya/Leaf backs from 10 years ago. By the way, don't expect the same results from a 100 mp sensor on a prosumer full frame DSLR. @geonerd: with this being medium format, it has a 'big' viewfinder.
Kevin Tomlinson the megapixel counts for some aspects but the sensor is one of the biggest factors. Which is why people don't understand why some people go from a 24mp to a 18mp
Hi Ted. With over 700 comments I doubt you will read this, but in any case I wanted to thank you for spending time on the Phase One camera. Although few of us can afford a camera like this I think it's extremely helpful that companies like PhaseOne produce hardware and software of this level that “push the envelope” and the entire industry forward. Interfaces like the one you demonstrated and the interface of the Leica TL2 actually do make a difference in the longterm in influencing the industry in very positive ways. More intuitive interfaces *do* affect the way we create images, the art of photography, and how we craft images. Thank again for your channel. I love your Artist Series.
Great Review, thanks. Sadly the comments show that most people don't get what this is about. It's not about better photographs, it's about camera built technology which will help people in their buissnesses to shoot high pixel, low noise photographs. It does not make your photos any better, it only qualifies them to get blown up to a high extend. For people who don't need it it's of course wasted money. It's intended for professionals with special needs. Thats all. The price tag also impies exactly that very clearly.
I think they only had the latest trichromatic back and one or two previous generations backs. They had a print from the achromatic back. I was very curious about this camera system and capture one. I can’t afford something like this, but I appreciate that it exists.
I hope you are correct and that some of this technology, specifically the replaceable back, becomes an option by other manufacturers. I'd love to be able to swap out a high megapixel back for a low light option, monochrome or infrared back. The extended dynamic range of the Phase One camera is the most intriguing feature to me, more mp's for the size I print isn't too important. Thanks for the review Ted and also thanks to Digital Transitions!
@the art of photography the reason why the pixels on this camera are "deeper" is because the way the ccd in the camera operates. it is a very very large megapixel camera. the reason why there is less noise in the darker images is specifically because the processor omits color all together. it uses the total amount of photons captured in each pixel to make an approximate image that uses an order of magnitude less noise because the ccd doesn't care about about color correction. its truly remarkable. i'm an applied physicist, thought id add my 2 cents.
A little history here. Phase One has been making state of the art digital backs which at that time were mounted on Hasselblaad cameras since the very start of the digital revolution. Capture one, their softwear has been around with the best raw algorithym all that time. It was serving Phase One users long before Lightroom appeared, years actually, and always was far superior to Photoshops raw generator. When shooting Raw images you are seeing the images that come off the sensor. Time is always required to use the skills of a photographer and a person who has been patient enough with the learning curve to understand what is happening with the image and how to use the tools to get to a beautiful glowing image. This is not for the guy shooting automatic to .jpg. No canon in the 5 series can make an image that compares to the final images that come out of Phase One digital backs. The technical specs of these instruments clearly shows this. Comparing an $800 camera to a 35K back with zeiss lenses is an exercise in the ridiculous.
Aside from world class resolution and dynamic range of that camera, nearly any camera with the UV/IR cut filter removed can take similar full-spectrum images. I had a 5Dmk2 converted years ago and see similar outcomes when shooting in B/W. With the right stack of UV pass filters, you can get tintype-like portraits.
I own a Phase One setup - XF & IQ160, plus 7-prime lenses. I am not a working pro photographer any more, photography is just my “thing”. The quality of this system is amazing. If you are serious about photography, and you have a chance to use one for even 15-minutes, do it. Using one for 15-minutes would be like getting to drive a dream car.
Interesting side note: the Leica M8 can pick up a wider spectrum (the infrared side) as well. This is also a reason why dark synthetic clothes look brighter in black and white. In color they are purple instead of black.
Beautiful images, if I win the lottery I'm buying that camera. I've been using their Capture One software for about 7-years on my meager Sony A300 & A77 photos. That software is incredible as far what you can do to either save an almost lost image or to make an ok image into something you can be proud of, not to mention what you can do with your good photos. My niece works for a portrait photography studio that owns a Phase One color back they have on a Hasselblad camera and the close up portraits show the most natural skin tone graduations I've ever seen in a photograph.
Nice user interface. I hope the big brands make some GUI improvements. If I had it, I'd sell it and drive a gently used Jaguar F-type with my Rolleiflex in the passenger seat. tmax 400 has pretty deep pixels too.
Since you asked about the reason why monochrome sensors are better at high ISO: It's because the signal is less amplified (less gain) for any given ISO. That's where the noise is coming from...Analog (transistors) and digital (processor) gain. The reason why there is less amplification for a given brightness level (~ISO) is quite simply because the sensor captures more light. 3x as much (1.5 EV). That's because there are no color filters which only transmit 1/3 of the light on any individual photosite. A second reason is that there is no color noise which is more apparent to the human eye.
Ted, that shot of the brick buildings with the backlit stars and stripes, made me say to myself (and now I'm saying it to you): This guy needs to show more of his work on this channel! Cheers!
Ted, it looks like you've stumbled upon one of the secrets of discussing medium format camera gear: it seems to inexplicably make folks very grumpy. The MFDB area on the Luminous Landscape and GetDPI forums are hilariously surly. Your review, IMHO, was solid. Keep up the good work.
This happens in video as well. You talk about the price of cine gear and people lose their minds. "Why would anyone need to shoot 8K raw when my iPhone works just fine?"
The Sigma sdQ has a removable IR cut filter and a Foveon sensor (no bayer filter) to create black and white + IR images very much like in this video, it can also shoot in color too if you wish with it's three layer sensor and costs as little as £700. Sure it's not 100mp, can't shoot high iso and missing the dynamic range of the Phase One but it's much cheaper, has great f1.8 zooms and has enough detail for very large prints. Might be worth checking out if the BW with IR sensitivity was one of the things you loved plus its much easier on the wallet. Just saying :)
Look up the Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan. He does his work on a Phase One system (not sure which one though). He gets stunning results.
Definitely the camera. The info/ presentation provided a well presented, extremely accurate and comprehensive basis for my dislike of this camera. Museums can now produce 100mp reproductions of civil war daguerreotypes! What happens to the daguerreotypes of the old masters? Architectural photography? What about the building itself speaking for you rather than photo enhancement? Vanity on top of vanity- that is the whole story here. What was the last one he mentioned? Oh yeah, fashion! The perfect camera for people whose ambitions and self importance extend far beyond anything vaguely resembling practicality or even basic sense. Architects!
If you have ever done actual B&W darkroom work with ISO 100 Monochrome film, (from taking photo's to developing to printing) and experienced the "richness" and depth of the printed photo's, all of this Phase One's image quality makes sense and is absolutely amazing......especially when you have taken photos with monochrome film in low light with objects in bright and high contrast. This makes me long again for that lost art......that is why this costs so much....because it gives you now instant gratification and results...
I have been following Phase One for years. While there is a market for this kind of camera no one I know will ever own one. We get by with traditional and digital processes quite nicely for a fraction of the cost of a Phase One. One of our locals dedicated his life to 11x14 and he produces stunning images. With film. Imagine that. Film. Of course he is a serious master of the craft and god bless him for his dedication. The rest of us run with a d800e (or other) which is likely the last camera I will ever need to purchase.
50k to shoot black & white! I love black & white photography. But those sensors that only shoot b&w, to be honest, that doesn't do anything for me. Yes it's a little different from the sensors that have the bayer filter, but then again you can properly convert a photo to b&w by using the gray gamma 2.2. No one will distinguish the difference between a b&w sensor and a bayer sensor from a b&w photo. b&w photography relies greatly from post processing, you can create the most stunning b&w photo with a "normal" camera and skills in post processing. it's all about the photographer, not if a sensor shoots only b&w or not. A 63k camera means nothing in the fine art world.
Why even bother with a Leica, another overpriced camera system. Buy yourself a box brownie and get exactly the same pic with b&w film. Well, that's taking it to an extreme, but you'll see my point. A good roll of b&w film in any film camera will do well, if the photographer knows his/her stuff. And, has a little bit of luck go their way. But, this camera will have its uses, in the right context. People here are saying "they don't get it", etc. They're not meant to. This camera is not even meant for them and they'll most likely never even get the chance to use anything like it. However, it's fun to know that they exist. I'm an astronomer and I know the advantages of using a mono chip with no bayer layer on the pixels. I would love to have a 101MP chip to use, though, I can get by happily with much smaller chips. Going into the advantages of mono v colour chips would take up far too much space here, so I won't do so. But, if I had the opportunity to use/have one I would take it.
Ted, thank you for this review! I was very curious to hear from you about this camera, and specifically this back. I would highly recommend for you to try the Leica Monochrom Typ 246. It’s not medium format, but it’s compact and it produces best digital black-and-whites (beside this back). I have several digital systems, including Leica M10, mirrorless, and DSLR. Also, I shoot a lot of medium format film, mostly black-and-white. I was absolutely blown away with images from that camera and I actually regret trying this camera (I had it for extensive period of time)!
The thing about photography is that at the end of the day you don't a really expensive camera, just one decent enough to show how good of a photographer you are
While I was trying to not watch this video of a camera I will never get, I’m glad I did. Walking through the camera controls itself was interesting and helpful, the seismograph feature is something I think would be huge for landscape with any camera. There is an app in the making here.
to Hades with that....I know peeps inside Fujifilm, and the GFX II will drop in 2 years with the 100MP sensor for somewhere in the $7800+ range. by the math, thats about $55,000 CHEAPER ...for a better camera no less. not Monochrome however.
+Theoria Apophasis well that was one of my points in the video. This IS the tech that will trickle down to other cameras in the coming years. If there’s a market I would love to see Fujifilm do an achromatic or even one day a trichromatic. I only had this camera for about 12 hours to shoot on, get b roll etc... was fast but amazing.
I'm really hoping we can create a demand for true monochrome sensors. The lack of a color filter, has a good chance of negating any benefits gained by having those large medium format photo-sites in my opinion. As for a large photo site/ monochrome sensor, i'd love to see some detailed comparisons compared with more standard pixel pitch monochrome sensors. I'm really curious to see how this part of the tech will evolve since we've seemed to hit point in research that negates a large amount of the benefits gained from having larger photo sites.
Believe it or not, I just got a 1DXII for the purpose of experimenting with the larger photo sites compared to my 5DIV. It does seem to make a difference in tonality in any situation where I'm not using strobes or shooting in the brightest daylight, even at base iso.
Regarding the noise in bayer vs mono sensors. Assuming an image with average colour of white, everything equal a mono sensor is effectively three times as sensitive. This is because all pixels are capturing 100% of the spectrum whereas bayer sensor pixels are all capturing 1/3rd of the spectrum.
Not sure why lots of megapixels and high dynamic range can make a camera cost so much more than its competitors. Supersampling has diminishing returns after like 15mega pixels and if you say that extra MP is for printing, you have got to be kidding me. Large dpi usages on large printing... no-one is going to get up close to see those details on a 20' by 90' mural , Sharpness is heavily related to glass quality after all techniques are all said and done, and you can get full range of light with simple multi exposure HDR techniques... overpriced plastic and metal to get tech weenies all hot and horny. Quality review of the camera though, Cheers.
Thanks for share this video and give us the opportunity of a little taste of your experience with this kind of gear! Hopefully we can enjoy it, let's say 5 years maybe, or less.
i work as a photo assistant a few dozen times a year, and almost every time its using a Phase1 camera. Theyre a lot more common than you would think. Billboard prints, high end magazine shoots, etc
There is nothing about that camera that is worth $63,000.00. For that price tag it better be able to image Mars down to 1 foot resolution from my back yard. And I thought Canon was bad.
They are trying to recoup R&D costs. It is a relatively small company, so they don't have the luxury of capital. If it was made by Sony or Canon, it would cost a lot less.
Sorry to say this , but the only time i could see myself impressed with a camera that expensive, is when it has the capability to show clothed people NUDE! other than that it's just a camera with a fancy price tag. P.S. am a photographer i know cameras.
Hi, regarding the black shirt being not black - it isn´t about dynamic range - if the camera really captures the near infrared range, than in some cases colors that you see doesn´t matter - infrared light reflects differently on different materials, so if something dosn´t reflect much visible light it might reflect better infrared light and appear grey or even white.
You can scan film, and make digital copies of that, and you still can conserve that negative, which will will be able to eb scanned in 100 years and produce even better quality digital images.
Having used and owned multiple 8x10 and 4x5 cameras for years, It would be fun to see you on assignment in some far flung corner of the world stuggling with loading 8x10 film backs in a dark bag, and trying to capture a moment that is fleeting on this format. It can be done, I know, I did it. But man it requires a completely different paradymn. It is obvious you have not worked with large format or you would not say that.
Though admittedly I have never shot 8x10, A chamonix 4x5 is my current camera of choice. Of course its not suited for all applications (time sensitive assignments of action in some remote location...), and you definitely have to approach a shot with a different mind set. But I'd take the results of a 4x5 or 8x10 negative over whatever digital sensor every time :) But then again I just enjoy film so thats me.
Thanks for the great review of an amazing camera. I appreciate the video HD quality too since this is the closest I'll come to that camera. Man, that ISO!
Much like high end audio equipment. That has bandwidth between DC and AC only produces sound in a short stretch of that and does it effortlessly. Same here with the sensor. Really love that menu system Canon please take notice.
Since its the only one in existence its really reasonable, you're paying for the years development. People probably could rent it, mayb the company itself cant afford (yet) to put it in to production to make a consumer version (cheaper)
Insane! I am so happy to watch digital technology evolve and become even better over time. Having technology like this on a consumer level would be incredible. I laughed when you were talking about pondering how to finance something like that because I totally did the same thing. I hope that some day it will be more accessible.
Have you tried creating colour shots? 4 consecutive shots of same subject. One for grey values, one each with red, green and blue filter? If you know the old Bermpohl camera and colour separation, you understand this. Result should be incredible. No digital artefacts from extrapolated pixel RGB values. No noise. 100 MP. 16 bits/pixel? Or more? Incredibly smooth gradation.
You may just have to trust me (as someone who has used both cameras) but I can assure you they're actually not comparable in terms of "image quality". It's not "almost the same" unless you think a house cat and a fully grown tiger roaming the savannah are "almost the same". Yes you can make good photos with both but if you need a 2m print that someone will stand in front of I know which one I'll use. Looked at on an phone screen the difference will be harder to see but if examined even a little, believe me there is a big difference in all sorts of aspects. Not many people need this camera though and at the end of the day the person holding the camera is of far greater importance.
I think it depends on the client and the intended use. I agree that for most uses the difference is small, but for some commercial applications 100 MP is a significant advantage.
Maybe, but the specs for the two cameras are quite divergent. The Fuji is a 14 bit camera, the Lighphase is 16 bit. That translates into thousands of colors the Lightphase can render that the Fuji cannot. The Lightphase has 15 stops of dynamic range, the Fuji has 14. Now the Fuji is a fantastic piece of technology in its own right and it is not cheap at nearly 7 grand, however in the world of high end commercial photography, shooters are using digital backs. You will see them in use on nearly all the major shooters going. They know it sets them apart, both in appearance and quality of the images, and they are able to command prices commensurate with that. For those who demand uncompromising quality to their images, the choice is clear, although the DSLR's are getting better every day.
No difference between 14 bit and 16 bit. H1d-50c is 16 bit and has same sensor with GFX50s but GFX50 s is 14 bit. Trust me GFX has better image quality and iso performance. Fuji is 6500 usd and it is very cheap for medium format camera. GFX dynamic range is so amazing and there will be new version upcoming 100mp back illuminated sensor for Fujifilm made by Sony.. NO NEED FOR THAT STUPID MONEY!
GhKan, 14 bit shows 16,000 tones, 16 bit 65,535 tones. Due some editing on your 14 bit files and you will see what happens to the histogram. Stuff is dropping out. You have a lot of reserve on the 16 bit. You cannot see the difference when looking at these images on a computer screen, except perhaps at 100 percent. But blow these up to eight feet for a show, and the reason you pay big money for these cameras becomes obvious. Of course the camera in question is for a very specific photographer, who needs the ultimate in black and white images. They won't sell many of them, hence the astronomical price.
GKhan i just plan to buy fuji gfx50s...do you think is it worth to wait the gfx 50R (september 2018)? The rumor says that they will sell between 4000-4500 bucks. And my opinion with that price...they will cut something from the 50s..please give a suggest :)
My Community College Night Class Instructor took us on a tour of a local ( highly successful ) niche pre-press operation ( its the step before the actual printing ). One of their specialties was, get ready, photographing shoes, for a mail order ( hi end ) shoe retailer. They still use printed catalog's to market their products. This 2 person department utilized a Digital Hasselblad Medium Format Camera to photograph shoes...........They did talk about how particular this customer was. So, you never know where one of these may pop up.
I want to be honest, I don't really like those kind of videos. I always liked about this channel that it's about photography and not about photography gear (for the most part). Please don't start to become just another tech reviewer, there are already plenty of those...
L. Willis One is free not to click on every video that is uploaded. If you don't like the topic, please feel free to skip the particular video. I get your point, but had to reply because comments like yours could discourage people from sharing things that are potentially interesting to many other people. 🙂
Well, I'm free to share my opinion too. If noone else sees it like I do, then you have nothing to worry about, since my opinion doesn't really matter in that case. But it seems like some others share my opinion as well. Fact is that people like me will lose interest in this channel if there will be more videos like this one. I don't care about expensive cameras, I just want to see great photographs and how they were done so I can improve myself.
me too I also like articles about gear that I can afford. Hold it under water for 5 seconds and see if it leaks. My Nikon D3000 didnt. I would be curious about the durability of this camera for the price tag.
Ted, thanks for yet another informative video (although I doubt I live long enough for such technology to be affordable for the masses lol)...I love to see a video comparing and contrasting Lightroom and Capture One from a professional perspective...Thanks, and keep up the great work.
Good video, thanks for doing it. If I might be so bold as to suggest one improvement: you are using a fairly short focal length for your own head shot when you do your video narrative, and when you come a little closer to the camera, your nose and face definitely get exaggerated and distorted. I'd suggest a longer focal length for this. You must be aware of this, so I really don't know if it is intentional or not, but having your face distort is really rather distracting. Again, though, thanks for this video, I enjoyed it. But how do you really feel about this camera? :)
More gear lust. A good eye for light and composition, the photographer's skill and experience is what counts, not a $63,000 camera. The example photos are mediocre.
Have you tired the Canon 5dmkIV? Not comparing the image quality - but the touch screen "Q" menu is really nice. Intuitive as it gets. (also - using it from my iphone with the WiFi is killer). Canon gets such a bad wrap in the forums for lack of innovation - I think it is because most people commenting haven't handled a MK IV
I read about medium camera formats like Phase one, Mamyia, Hasselblad, Leica, etc. Like to have one, but I need a deep pocket. I saw black and white photos of Hasselblad of many celebrities taken many decades ago and they look great. I read that other medium format lens are compatible with phase one directly or with an adaptor.
The colours are amazing.
-Monochrome Photographer
@Rahul .c.s Color*
bad Uk-ers...
THE TOOOOONEEEEESSSSS!!!!
@@ItzGoldfish1 colour*
Bad American
KraB I was about to comment the same thing
@@sherabnamdol7124 Color*
Bad UK-ers
"I spend $63,000 on this camera!!"
Client: cool can you make the reds really pop in this photo?
"uhhh no I can only do B&W..."
is it good for instagram?
Yeah only if your a 10 year old kid
@3 DICK oh no, that is horrible! only for 10 years old?! what if I am a 11 year old kid who can differentiate between "your" and "you're"?
mara what if I'm a 12 year old who knows to say "an eleven year old" instead of "a eleven year old"? Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but ur just being annoying
@Ryan Harrison you're
@@ryanharrison1472 I hate to be a grammar Nazi but...... ur.....UR???? The irony is borderline comedy.
Why am I watching this
I need to go to work in 5 mins
I don't even have an interest in photography
10/10 great video would watch again
Really enjoyed seeing this camera. I love to learn about other cameras, not just the usual Nikon, Canon, Sony etc. Even though it is out of most peoples price range, it is good to know these things exist.
Pauline Follett What’s the point?
Good to know for around $1500 you can get a Pentax k-3 with a good kit zoom, decent prime and maybe even a vintage 50mm macro and set of extension tubes. This is just silly. Even museums don’t NEED this...
I participate in Formula 3 races. I think Formula 1 is idiotic, I can do all I want in F3, why would I go to F1?
- that was you
Sony is pretty much the best camera but the high ISO is noisy if you don’t use the most expensive G Master or Carl-Zeiss lenses.
Team Nikon 🎉
In 10 years these type of cameras will be 1k
Not quite. I bought a Phase One digital back used recently. In 12 years my P25 mfdb for my Hasselblad dropped in price from $36,000 to just under $3,000, so a drop of about 12x or down to 8% of its original new cost. So you are right, with new technology the costs of these tools will drop dramatically. But they probably won’t drop to $1k in 10 years...
@@albionbowers9391 shut up nerd it's the same idea
Riley Primus. In 10 years, top rated artists who use such tools, will have earned premium wages, way more than enough to fund then current couple of hundreds of megapixels, true 3d cameras, and fools like you, will be wondering, why these nerds, keep staying at the forefront of the game. So, selling their used ones to you for 3,000 dollars will be a steal for themsake, not for yours.
In 10 years smartphone camera can do that
Hindi Jokes Nautanki thats what he saying 😂 iphone camera is damn near like that already
You`ve got 2 goods kidneys Ted,the body only needs one to function. Problem solved.
That's only half the price
You don't "need" two kidneys. Just go on dialysis.
And on Dialysis, the US gov't will happily help pay the bills.....
This entire thread is so full of "win". Thank you, gentlemen.
one kidney can only get you the lens cap though.
best way to use a 60k camera.... cat photos! ALL DAY!
The folly of man
And Trees!
Ants for me!
Having been in the game since early 70's.. I can honestly say... ' I don't get it'.
I don't get any part of this.
60K on a B & W only hobby camera? Use of filters to shoot humans? I get the mystic of medium format. But, I just don't get this digital back whatsoever.
For comparable results, there are much affordable and sensible options out there. I'm happy you had a good time with it... But I still don't get it.
Totally agree iwth you. This is niche camera for wannabe 'artists' who have too much money on their hands. 95% of the results shown here in this video can be achieved with the less-than-1000$ DSLR/mirrorless camera shooting RAW.
That is just niche, or for very big prints.
Makes Leica look like Kodak costwise. I don't get it either. Nothing I can't do in LR with a smaller sensor.
Thing that pops out at first sight to my eyes is that digital b/w feels so lifeless. Images got great quaility of pixel, but an Ilford Delta film is still more vivid and warmer.
thexfaceable, i think it's not intended to be "warm" or "expressive" right outside the box, but rather "cold" and "precise" quality that you can still filter/edit in any way you like. Gives you some top quality data to work with.
I think I'm most impressed by the UI of this camera! Improving the menu systems on cameras, especially those with a touch screen, seems like a relatively easy way for manufactures to radically improve their ability to compete...
Cant wait for 100mp sensors like this cost less than $5000 someday in the future. Technology is moving so fast nowadays
Maybe wait 10 years or so. Check the prices on the 22 and 33 mp Phase One/Mamiya/Leaf backs from 10 years ago. By the way, don't expect the same results from a 100 mp sensor on a prosumer full frame DSLR. @geonerd: with this being medium format, it has a 'big' viewfinder.
Fuji is working on a 100mp GFX to be released mid 2018.
It's not about the megapixels it's about the sensor.... :/
Kevin Tomlinson the megapixel counts for some aspects but the sensor is one of the biggest factors. Which is why people don't understand why some people go from a 24mp to a 18mp
Kevin Tomlinson that's what I ment but I couldn't be asked to write a long reply so thanks for clearing it up :)
Hi Ted. With over 700 comments I doubt you will read this, but in any case I wanted to thank you for spending time on the Phase One camera. Although few of us can afford a camera like this I think it's extremely helpful that companies like PhaseOne produce hardware and software of this level that “push the envelope” and the entire industry forward. Interfaces like the one you demonstrated and the interface of the Leica TL2 actually do make a difference in the longterm in influencing the industry in very positive ways. More intuitive interfaces *do* affect the way we create images, the art of photography, and how we craft images. Thank again for your channel. I love your Artist Series.
Great Review, thanks. Sadly the comments show that most people don't get what this is about. It's not about better photographs, it's about camera built technology which will help people in their buissnesses to shoot high pixel, low noise photographs. It does not make your photos any better, it only qualifies them to get blown up to a high extend. For people who don't need it it's of course wasted money. It's intended for professionals with special needs. Thats all. The price tag also impies exactly that very clearly.
Played around with a phase one at PhotoPlus last week and did not understand half of what the rep. explained, thanks for this explanation.
Was it the Monochrome? If so it was this same camera ;-) Went up to PhotoPlus after I used it.
I think they only had the latest trichromatic back and one or two previous generations backs. They had a print from the achromatic back. I was very curious about this camera system and capture one. I can’t afford something like this, but I appreciate that it exists.
Nice selfie camera
Youness Taouil what camera is that ?
I hope you are correct and that some of this technology, specifically the replaceable back, becomes an option by other manufacturers. I'd love to be able to swap out a high megapixel back for a low light option, monochrome or infrared back. The extended dynamic range of the Phase One camera is the most intriguing feature to me, more mp's for the size I print isn't too important. Thanks for the review Ted and also thanks to Digital Transitions!
Thank you for showing us what this camera can do! Very impressive!
@the art of photography the reason why the pixels on this camera are "deeper" is because the way the ccd in the camera operates. it is a very very large megapixel camera. the reason why there is less noise in the darker images is specifically because the processor omits color all together. it uses the total amount of photons captured in each pixel to make an approximate image that uses an order of magnitude less noise because the ccd doesn't care about about color correction. its truly remarkable. i'm an applied physicist, thought id add my 2 cents.
thanks
I am a hasselblad user and without a doubt medium formats are super fun if you are patient enough and you like composing your shots in details.
A little history here. Phase One has been making state of the art digital backs which at that time were mounted on Hasselblaad cameras since the very start of the digital revolution. Capture one, their softwear has been around with the best raw algorithym all that time. It was serving Phase One users long before Lightroom appeared, years actually, and always was far superior to Photoshops raw generator. When shooting Raw images you are seeing the images that come off the sensor. Time is always required to use the skills of a photographer and a person who has been patient enough with the learning curve to understand what is happening with the image and how to use the tools to get to a beautiful glowing image. This is not for the guy shooting automatic to .jpg. No canon in the 5 series can make an image that compares to the final images that come out of Phase One digital backs. The technical specs of these instruments clearly shows this. Comparing an $800 camera to a 35K back with zeiss lenses is an exercise in the ridiculous.
Real chads shoot .jpg
Aside from world class resolution and dynamic range of that camera, nearly any camera with the UV/IR cut filter removed can take similar full-spectrum images. I had a 5Dmk2 converted years ago and see similar outcomes when shooting in B/W. With the right stack of UV pass filters, you can get tintype-like portraits.
The specs are impressive . My closest images to this was from a Lumix LX3. It took awesome monochrome and black and white images.
I own a Phase One setup - XF & IQ160, plus 7-prime lenses. I am not a working pro photographer any more, photography is just my “thing”. The quality of this system is amazing. If you are serious about photography, and you have a chance to use one for even 15-minutes, do it. Using one for 15-minutes would be like getting to drive a dream car.
The contrast looks amazing.
Interesting side note: the Leica M8 can pick up a wider spectrum (the infrared side) as well. This is also a reason why dark synthetic clothes look brighter in black and white. In color they are purple instead of black.
Beautiful images, if I win the lottery I'm buying that camera. I've been using their Capture One software for about 7-years on my meager Sony A300 & A77 photos. That software is incredible as far what you can do to either save an almost lost image or to make an ok image into something you can be proud of, not to mention what you can do with your good photos. My niece works for a portrait photography studio that owns a Phase One color back they have on a Hasselblad camera and the close up portraits show the most natural skin tone graduations I've ever seen in a photograph.
WOW - that was amazing! Love B&W and will certainly buy that camera when price drops by about $62, 000!! ;-) Thanx for sharing. Most enjoyable video.
Nice user interface. I hope the big brands make some GUI improvements. If I had it, I'd sell it and drive a gently used Jaguar F-type with my Rolleiflex in the passenger seat. tmax 400 has pretty deep pixels too.
Since you asked about the reason why monochrome sensors are better at high ISO:
It's because the signal is less amplified (less gain) for any given ISO. That's where the noise is coming from...Analog (transistors) and digital (processor) gain. The reason why there is less amplification for a given brightness level (~ISO) is quite simply because the sensor captures more light. 3x as much (1.5 EV). That's because there are no color filters which only transmit 1/3 of the light on any individual photosite.
A second reason is that there is no color noise which is more apparent to the human eye.
Man that is some $63k color right there
Ted, that shot of the brick buildings with the backlit stars and stripes, made me say to myself (and now I'm saying it to you): This guy needs to show more of his work on this channel! Cheers!
That’s the $64,000 question 📷
Colours looked amazing
Great review as usual. But what realy stands out is your talent as a photographer
What a beautiful piece of equipment.
Ted, it looks like you've stumbled upon one of the secrets of discussing medium format camera gear: it seems to inexplicably make folks very grumpy. The MFDB area on the Luminous Landscape and GetDPI forums are hilariously surly. Your review, IMHO, was solid. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Kevin… I think there are a ton of people who need a new hobby that makes them less angry ;-)
This happens in video as well. You talk about the price of cine gear and people lose their minds. "Why would anyone need to shoot 8K raw when my iPhone works just fine?"
I'm blown away. I've never had a dream camera before. Totally the back I'd get for it, too. Thank you (I think)!
Watching the resolution of a 60,000 dollar camera on a 500 dollar phone
*epic*
My respect for contemporary black and white photography has exponentially risen during the course of this video.
The Sigma sdQ has a removable IR cut filter and a Foveon sensor (no bayer filter) to create black and white + IR images very much like in this video, it can also shoot in color too if you wish with it's three layer sensor and costs as little as £700.
Sure it's not 100mp, can't shoot high iso and missing the dynamic range of the Phase One but it's much cheaper, has great f1.8 zooms and has enough detail for very large prints.
Might be worth checking out if the BW with IR sensitivity was one of the things you loved plus its much easier on the wallet.
Just saying :)
thank you for not screaming an intro, mate.
here. have an upvote for not destroying my ears like casual youtubers!
For that kinda money it'd be interesting to see how it compares to 8x10 film and drum scanning.
Great video Ted! I have an infrared camera and love how monochrome images turn out, looks like this has some of that plus so much more, so cool!
Look up the Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan. He does his work on a Phase One system (not sure which one though). He gets stunning results.
Tod Davis most profs rent these camera's.
Mutch cheaper, and not the invest of the system.
Wow, that infrared edge gives it a wonderful luminous quality.
A lot of negative comments today:/ Ted, you're doing amazing. Love what you do and who you are, keep up the fantastic work.
+Micah Gray no kidding... thanks. I think there’s a ton of people that need to find a hobby that’s less agitating for them.
Agreed:P
REALLY enjoyed this. totally out of my range. but nice to see what's out there should the need arise. new subscriber. keep it up
micah. It’s not him, it’s the camera
Definitely the camera. The info/ presentation provided a well presented, extremely accurate and comprehensive basis for my dislike of this camera. Museums can now produce 100mp reproductions of civil war daguerreotypes! What happens to the daguerreotypes of the old masters? Architectural photography? What about the building itself speaking for you rather than photo enhancement? Vanity on top of vanity- that is the whole story here. What was the last one he mentioned? Oh yeah, fashion! The perfect camera for people whose ambitions and self importance extend far beyond anything vaguely resembling practicality or even basic sense. Architects!
Ted, your videos are great. Thanks for taking the time to make them.
This video is the best video I have come across on youtube in a long time. I love you TED!
you must not be subscribed to demolition ranch...
This camera is absolutely amazing!!! The possibilities are endless. Not affordable at this point, but thank you for taking the time to do this.
If you have ever done actual B&W darkroom work with ISO 100 Monochrome film, (from taking photo's to developing to printing) and experienced the "richness" and depth of the printed photo's,
all of this Phase One's image quality makes sense and is absolutely amazing......especially when you have taken photos with monochrome film in low light with objects in bright and high contrast.
This makes me long again for that lost art......that is why this costs so much....because it gives you now instant gratification and results...
I have been following Phase One for years. While there is a market for this kind of camera no one I know will ever own one. We get by with traditional and digital processes quite nicely for a fraction of the cost of a Phase One. One of our locals dedicated his life to 11x14 and he produces stunning images. With film. Imagine that. Film. Of course he is a serious master of the craft and god bless him for his dedication. The rest of us run with a d800e (or other) which is likely the last camera I will ever need to purchase.
50k to shoot black & white! I love black & white photography. But those sensors that only shoot b&w, to be honest, that doesn't do anything for me. Yes it's a little different from the sensors that have the bayer filter, but then again you can properly convert a photo to b&w by using the gray gamma 2.2. No one will distinguish the difference between a b&w sensor and a bayer sensor from a b&w photo. b&w photography relies greatly from post processing, you can create the most stunning b&w photo with a "normal" camera and skills in post processing. it's all about the photographer, not if a sensor shoots only b&w or not. A 63k camera means nothing in the fine art world.
Why even bother with a Leica, another overpriced camera system. Buy yourself a box brownie and get exactly the same pic with b&w film. Well, that's taking it to an extreme, but you'll see my point. A good roll of b&w film in any film camera will do well, if the photographer knows his/her stuff. And, has a little bit of luck go their way. But, this camera will have its uses, in the right context. People here are saying "they don't get it", etc. They're not meant to. This camera is not even meant for them and they'll most likely never even get the chance to use anything like it. However, it's fun to know that they exist. I'm an astronomer and I know the advantages of using a mono chip with no bayer layer on the pixels. I would love to have a 101MP chip to use, though, I can get by happily with much smaller chips. Going into the advantages of mono v colour chips would take up far too much space here, so I won't do so. But, if I had the opportunity to use/have one I would take it.
Ted, thank you for this review! I was very curious to hear from you about this camera, and specifically this back. I would highly recommend for you to try the Leica Monochrom Typ 246. It’s not medium format, but it’s compact and it produces best digital black-and-whites (beside this back). I have several digital systems, including Leica M10, mirrorless, and DSLR. Also, I shoot a lot of medium format film, mostly black-and-white. I was absolutely blown away with images from that camera and I actually regret trying this camera (I had it for extensive period of time)!
A $63k camera-wait until you see what Stereophile equipment go for. 😆
The thing about photography is that at the end of the day you don't a really expensive camera, just one decent enough to show how good of a photographer you are
While I love Leicas, I would hardly call them game changers of the modern era, since they seem pretty hell bent on not changing the game at all
they have failed to what they once were. the x1 a prime esxample.
While I was trying to not watch this video of a camera I will never get, I’m glad I did. Walking through the camera controls itself was interesting and helpful, the seismograph feature is something I think would be huge for landscape with any camera. There is an app in the making here.
to Hades with that....I know peeps inside Fujifilm, and the GFX II will drop in 2 years with the 100MP sensor for somewhere in the $7800+ range.
by the math, thats about $55,000 CHEAPER ...for a better camera no less. not Monochrome however.
+Theoria Apophasis well that was one of my points in the video. This IS the tech that will trickle down to other cameras in the coming years. If there’s a market I would love to see Fujifilm do an achromatic or even one day a trichromatic. I only had this camera for about 12 hours to shoot on, get b roll etc... was fast but amazing.
I love you man ....... where do i send the kisses? :) *Hugs & Lovin**
Fujifilm is amazing so it wouldn’t surprise me
I'm really hoping we can create a demand for true monochrome sensors. The lack of a color filter, has a good chance of negating any benefits gained by having those large medium format photo-sites in my opinion. As for a large photo site/ monochrome sensor, i'd love to see some detailed comparisons compared with more standard pixel pitch monochrome sensors. I'm really curious to see how this part of the tech will evolve since we've seemed to hit point in research that negates a large amount of the benefits gained from having larger photo sites.
Believe it or not, I just got a 1DXII for the purpose of experimenting with the larger photo sites compared to my 5DIV. It does seem to make a difference in tonality in any situation where I'm not using strobes or shooting in the brightest daylight, even at base iso.
Regarding the noise in bayer vs mono sensors. Assuming an image with average colour of white, everything equal a mono sensor is effectively three times as sensitive. This is because all pixels are capturing 100% of the spectrum whereas bayer sensor pixels are all capturing 1/3rd of the spectrum.
Ted!, this....was....awesome!!! Thanks for what you do!
+spl4028 thanks ;-)
You are a very smooth talker. Fast but smooth, no uuuums in a sentence.
Not sure why lots of megapixels and high dynamic range can make a camera cost so much more than its competitors.
Supersampling has diminishing returns after like 15mega pixels and if you say that extra MP is for printing, you have got to be kidding me. Large dpi usages on large printing... no-one is going to get up close to see those details on a 20' by 90' mural , Sharpness is heavily related to glass quality after all techniques are all said and done, and you can get full range of light with simple multi exposure HDR techniques... overpriced plastic and metal to get tech weenies all hot and horny.
Quality review of the camera though, Cheers.
Thanks for share this video and give us the opportunity of a little taste of your experience with this kind of gear! Hopefully we can enjoy it, let's say 5 years maybe, or less.
bring your fujifilm files to Captuire one, you will be wery surprised...
H0V4D0 what are the advantages?
what is top obvious is sharpening, and colours. it will blow your mid when you compare images side by side
'capture' & Very...not 'wery'
To be fair, lightroom isn't an option for fuji users, their X-trans sensors messes with the processing in lightroom.
Great review with some useful tips... obviously a super exotic camera, hey but there’s no harm in looking
high price is not an insurance of good images. True photographer can shot good pictures with cheap gear.
i work as a photo assistant a few dozen times a year, and almost every time its using a Phase1 camera. Theyre a lot more common than you would think. Billboard prints, high end magazine shoots, etc
There is nothing about that camera that is worth $63,000.00. For that price tag it better be able to image Mars down to 1 foot resolution from my back yard. And I thought Canon was bad.
They are trying to recoup R&D costs. It is a relatively small company, so they don't have the luxury of capital. If it was made by Sony or Canon, it would cost a lot less.
Best pics of nature by this camera!
Sorry to say this , but the only time i could see myself impressed with a camera that expensive, is when it has the capability to show clothed people NUDE!
other than that it's just a camera with a fancy price tag.
P.S. am a photographer i know cameras.
you have to print large to see the difference. These cameras are for commercial photographers. I love my Phase one.
but you are a no name photographer, so your opinion doesn matter. lol Im not a photographer and I thinka $60,000 black and white camera is just dumb.
FancyShoesVlogs you can make it shoot color....
Did you watch the video?
No Name lol pervert
Hi, regarding the black shirt being not black - it isn´t about dynamic range - if the camera really captures the near infrared range, than in some cases colors that you see doesn´t matter - infrared light reflects differently on different materials, so if something dosn´t reflect much visible light it might reflect better infrared light and appear grey or even white.
Give me an 8x10 (shit even 4x5) anyday.
A black and white negative also will virtually last forever if stored in the proper conditions, a digital file however? No...
wtf? xDD you can copy digital files and store them on the cloud, on your harddrive, on a usb drive..
You can scan film, and make digital copies of that, and you still can conserve that negative, which will will be able to eb scanned in 100 years and produce even better quality digital images.
Having used and owned multiple 8x10 and 4x5 cameras for years, It would be fun to see you on assignment in some far flung corner of the world stuggling with loading 8x10 film backs in a dark bag, and trying to capture a moment that is fleeting on this format. It can be done, I know, I did it. But man it requires a completely different paradymn. It is obvious you have not worked with large format or you would not say that.
Though admittedly I have never shot 8x10, A chamonix 4x5 is my current camera of choice. Of course its not suited for all applications (time sensitive assignments of action in some remote location...), and you definitely have to approach a shot with a different mind set. But I'd take the results of a 4x5 or 8x10 negative over whatever digital sensor every time :) But then again I just enjoy film so thats me.
Thanks for the great review of an amazing camera. I appreciate the video HD quality too since this is the closest I'll come to that camera. Man, that ISO!
$63k FOR BLACK AND WHITE?! Boy let me tell you something about...
Excellent narration, explanation, which compliments your dedication, thank you.
He can talk a few words a minute and not all of them are necessary!
Much like high end audio equipment. That has bandwidth between DC and AC only produces sound in a short stretch of that and does it effortlessly. Same here with the sensor. Really love that menu system Canon please take notice.
Not worth the Money
63000$ For A Camera Is Just Plain Outrageous
Since its the only one in existence its really reasonable, you're paying for the years development. People probably could rent it, mayb the company itself cant afford (yet) to put it in to production to make a consumer version (cheaper)
Insane! I am so happy to watch digital technology evolve and become even better over time. Having technology like this on a consumer level would be incredible. I laughed when you were talking about pondering how to finance something like that because I totally did the same thing. I hope that some day it will be more accessible.
what a rip of for 63k
Have you tried creating colour shots? 4 consecutive shots of same subject. One for grey values, one each with red, green and blue filter? If you know the old Bermpohl camera and colour separation, you understand this. Result should be incredible. No digital artefacts from extrapolated pixel RGB values. No noise. 100 MP. 16 bits/pixel? Or more? Incredibly smooth gradation.
hmm.. i can get almost the same image quality pic using my oly omd m5 mii + 1.4 panaleica
You may just have to trust me (as someone who has used both cameras) but I can assure you they're actually not comparable in terms of "image quality". It's not "almost the same" unless you think a house cat and a fully grown tiger roaming the savannah are "almost the same". Yes you can make good photos with both but if you need a 2m print that someone will stand in front of I know which one I'll use. Looked at on an phone screen the difference will be harder to see but if examined even a little, believe me there is a big difference in all sorts of aspects. Not many people need this camera though and at the end of the day the person holding the camera is of far greater importance.
Love the quality of these videos. What is the camera and setup you use to capture these vlogs in your studio?
I can get these results with my Fujifilm GFX50s. No need to pay that much stupid money...
I think it depends on the client and the intended use. I agree that for most uses the difference is small, but for some commercial applications 100 MP is a significant advantage.
Maybe, but the specs for the two cameras are quite divergent. The Fuji is a 14 bit camera, the Lighphase is 16 bit. That translates into thousands of colors the Lightphase can render that the Fuji cannot. The Lightphase has 15 stops of dynamic range, the Fuji has 14. Now the Fuji is a fantastic piece of technology in its own right and it is not cheap at nearly 7 grand, however in the world of high end commercial photography, shooters are using digital backs. You will see them in use on nearly all the major shooters going. They know it sets them apart, both in appearance and quality of the images, and they are able to command prices commensurate with that. For those who demand uncompromising quality to their images, the choice is clear, although the DSLR's are getting better every day.
No difference between 14 bit and 16 bit. H1d-50c is 16 bit and has same sensor with GFX50s but GFX50 s is 14 bit. Trust me GFX has better image quality and iso performance. Fuji is 6500 usd and it is very cheap for medium format camera. GFX dynamic range is so amazing and there will be new version upcoming 100mp back illuminated sensor for Fujifilm made by Sony.. NO NEED FOR THAT STUPID MONEY!
GhKan, 14 bit shows 16,000 tones, 16 bit 65,535 tones. Due some editing on your 14 bit files and you will see what happens to the histogram. Stuff is dropping out. You have a lot of reserve on the 16 bit. You cannot see the difference when looking at these images on a computer screen, except perhaps at 100 percent. But blow these up to eight feet for a show, and the reason you pay big money for these cameras becomes obvious. Of course the camera in question is for a very specific photographer, who needs the ultimate in black and white images. They won't sell many of them, hence the astronomical price.
GKhan i just plan to buy fuji gfx50s...do you think is it worth to wait the gfx 50R (september 2018)?
The rumor says that they will sell between 4000-4500 bucks. And my opinion with that price...they will cut something from the 50s..please give a suggest :)
My Community College Night Class Instructor took us on a tour of a local ( highly successful ) niche pre-press operation ( its the step before the actual printing ). One of their specialties was, get ready, photographing shoes, for a mail order ( hi end ) shoe retailer. They still use printed catalog's to market their products. This 2 person department utilized a Digital Hasselblad Medium Format Camera to photograph shoes...........They did talk about how particular this customer was. So, you never know where one of these may pop up.
I want to be honest, I don't really like those kind of videos. I always liked about this channel that it's about photography and not about photography gear (for the most part). Please don't start to become just another tech reviewer, there are already plenty of those...
L. Willis I agree.
I enjoyed this because this might actually be the camera that's closest to MFT film when it comes to detail imo.
Get out of here, please.
L. Willis One is free not to click on every video that is uploaded. If you don't like the topic, please feel free to skip the particular video. I get your point, but had to reply because comments like yours could discourage people from sharing things that are potentially interesting to many other people. 🙂
Well, I'm free to share my opinion too. If noone else sees it like I do, then you have nothing to worry about, since my opinion doesn't really matter in that case. But it seems like some others share my opinion as well. Fact is that people like me will lose interest in this channel if there will be more videos like this one. I don't care about expensive cameras, I just want to see great photographs and how they were done so I can improve myself.
Wow - really interesting and definitely cutting edge! Thanks for making this video!
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me too
I also like articles about gear that I can afford. Hold it under water for 5 seconds and see if it leaks. My Nikon D3000 didnt. I would be curious about the durability of this camera for the price tag.
Ted, thanks for yet another informative video (although I doubt I live long enough for such technology to be affordable for the masses lol)...I love to see a video comparing and contrasting Lightroom and Capture One from a professional perspective...Thanks, and keep up the great work.
Better use a potato
Squarespace is taking over the world haha!
Bla bla bla bla bla only i see black And whith photos
haha
This is getting like rock stars writing about life in a Limo!
First!
So?...what did u accomplish...nothing
Hamdan Abdullah haha im just kidding bro 😂 peace!
Good video, thanks for doing it. If I might be so bold as to suggest one improvement: you are using a fairly short focal length for your own head shot when you do your video narrative, and when you come a little closer to the camera, your nose and face definitely get exaggerated and distorted. I'd suggest a longer focal length for this. You must be aware of this, so I really don't know if it is intentional or not, but having your face distort is really rather distracting. Again, though, thanks for this video, I enjoyed it. But how do you really feel about this camera? :)
More gear lust. A good eye for light and composition, the photographer's skill and experience is what counts, not a $63,000 camera. The example photos are mediocre.
Where are your pictures, big fellow?
Have you tired the Canon 5dmkIV? Not comparing the image quality - but the touch screen "Q" menu is really nice. Intuitive as it gets. (also - using it from my iphone with the WiFi is killer). Canon gets such a bad wrap in the forums for lack of innovation - I think it is because most people commenting haven't handled a MK IV
Amazing DR monochrome camera that being said, it is very exclusive camera for those who really urge for this specific cameras
I read about medium camera formats like Phase one, Mamyia, Hasselblad, Leica, etc. Like to have one, but I need a deep pocket. I saw black and white photos of Hasselblad of many celebrities taken many decades ago and they look great. I read that other medium format lens are compatible with phase one directly or with an adaptor.