People who didn't begin with Gwen in the 90's, go to the workshops and read the books and do the program can't know how Gwen's deception progressed. I followed Gwen for over 25 years, not as a cult member but agreeing that food idolatry is a real thing. Anytime you look to the creation for help and not the Creator for His solution, you are looking for help you'll never find. Only the Holy Spirit can manifest self control in a believer's life. We have no righteousness apart from Jesus Christ. Gwen began losing weight for herself. She got followers because people want to worship and follow people. They want some "formula" for success outside of self control. I believe as people elevated Gwen to "fame" and as they elevated her, she got sideways and Satan started to twist what began as a truth. Gwen did what she did by choice but unless you were a part of this whole weigh down journey, you can't sit outside and judge her correctly.
So unless a person becomes a pedophile, they can't judge pedophiles? Basically what you're saying. She can be judged against Scriptures and by her fruit: Divorce, murder, eating disorders, greed, lies, hair spray addiction.....
I think he is just saying you can not fully understand her path without understanding the weight loss journey. He is saying that she went down the wrong path and people raised her to heights because people want to follow and want rules. They want a program to fix them and that is what Jesus taught. That is why we build religions rather than follow God, as the wind blows from the east to the west and so it is with the people of the spirit of God. Not saying what you said was wrong in any way. I totally agree with you. @@pinkystores9451
According to her son, she was having an affair while leading the church. A hypocrite! Someone who had NO business being the leader of a church. We, as followers of Jesus Christ, have a duty to bring these things out in the open.
This is a fair and true comment. I live overseas and have never even attended anything by her, but I do have the book Weigh Down. I think Gwen was an amazing person, she was inspiring, she was funny, she was honest and tough-: something we need more of in the world today. I am saddened it ended like this for her, and feel this snarky pack of vultures on stage are repulsive. Yet, there's no getting around the path Gwen went on, I think she was in a marriage where physical affection had long left the building, and as a fit woman who still looked brilliant for her age, the lure of a Joe Lara was too much to resist. I feel for her in that, but my God, it's one thing to think of it--but to DO it? Crazy. Also, Dan Grynder, the guy who analyses flight logs and all the rest states that without a doubt he believes Joe crashed that plane intentionally. He thinks this was a suicide/mass murder event and that just adds to the tragedy of Gwen's end :( May she Rest in Peace.
The documentary was important and well done. Unfortunately I could not watch this, after Christy Tiegan walked on stage. She and Gwen have a lot in common. They are both bullies.
I’m curious about your thoughts of Chrissy Tibetan being a bully. Can you share what you mean by that and examples? I don’t know much about her….Gwen Shamblin was just an absolute freak….
Due to Christy Tibetan spouting off so many very negative tweets, i now cringe at her name, picture, or voice. From the things she has said, she is a very ugly woman.
@@melissapepin8858 her daughter & her son. Her son despises her now & knows it was a cult (now). His sister took over (her husband died in the crash too).
My name is Deborah Mathias. we were members of the Remnant fellowship church for 14 years. I left becaouse of spiritual reasons . im a medium and psychic and knew i would be shunned/ thankkyou for your special it has been very healing for us. Plus has given us another perspective of what we went through for years,
Was everyone hungry constantly? I'm not trying to joke or make light. It seems like Gwen had serious issues related to food, an eating disorder, that she pushed onto others.
If you are a medium, you are contacting the demonic realm. You can’t follow Jesus and follow satan. You are in a very dangerous place because satan and his demons hate you. If you turn from the occult, Jesus will forgive you and free you from the demonic realm.
Curious…if Joe was piloting the plane, was it not investigated as a purposeful crash to “suicide” himself, Gwen and the main church leaders in light of this HBO series or something else exposing them? I watched a moment ago, “Life with Gwen and Joe” done in May 2020 where Gwen gushes about Joe’s piloting skills and he says something to her about not questioning her courage if she trusts flying with him!
I think he just wasn't that skilled. They explain in the documentary how Gwen kept buying him jets, planes, and even a helicopter. He didn't have time to really learn how to fly all those safely.
Please check out Dan Gryder's RUclips channel. Dan covered this plane crash extensively, and as a pilot himself, he explained that Joe had no business flying that jet. Basically, Joe got his rating (or certification) on flying that jet when he shouldn't have. Joe was certified to fly VFR (visual flight rules), and then he pushed a flight instructor to give him his IFR (instrument flight rules) certification. When Joe took up their jet for that fatal flight, he most likely got spatial disorientation, and unintentionally flew the jet into the ground.
@@KelseyDunlevy Dan's latest video on this, if it's still up, made he clear he does NOT believe this was unintentional. He says straight up this was a suicide/murder event and that he can prove it.
@@merrymeditation i did see Dan's latest video claiming it was suicide... bold claim, and I can understand how Dan got to that conclusion, but I'm not sure if we'll ever know for sure that it was an actual suicide--unless Dan has got a suicide note or something!
@@KelseyDunlevy well, I found his reasoning for this theory to be compelling. Joe's background of alcoholism and its consequences on the psyche, match a feeling trapped reality. Michael Shamblin said in his latest videos that he felt Joe hated his life, hated the position he was in being Gwen's financial boy toy and that he was resentful at everyone in Remnant. It works for me as a motive, and if he was drunk that day, even more so. Anyways, true that we may never have it officially confirmed, and maybe we have to let it go, but Dan's conclusion was that it was technically impossible for someone to do this kind of dive down unintentionally holds weight for me.
My women's Bible study read her book and did the workshop when it first came out. We had great success and many revelations about food being a crutch where we needed to rely on God. The workbook was well done and presented every single scripture that related to food. I found it useful for years. I didn't keep up with Gwen. And I didn't know she started a church. I'm not sure there was a reason to 'join a church' that revolved around this message. The moral here is to look for a group of Believers who will introduce you to Jesus Christ. He is real. He died for you and He is returning soon. Follow Him! This story is just sad. How can she pour her heart into a book on idolatry and get sucked in by the love of money? Preaching on anything but the love of Jesus is a bad idea.
@@barbaradonlin3675 Jennifer nailed the performance, but the storytelling, plot line, and transitions in the storytelling were bad. Jennifer has fantastic talent as an actress, but the material was lacking.
She is married to singer/songwriter John Legend. He is a talented person. Her? Not-so-much. She's naked or almost naked - a lot. I think she thinks she's a comedian. But she's more 'famous' for having his children.
Actually, the first Commandment may be violated here. Self-adoration doesn't work with "I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have false gods before me."
Exactly! I have 4 of her weightloss books. Her books are the ONLY thing that has actully helped me lose weight. I could care less what goes on at her church.
@@blueflamekeeper8068 Her books aren't the only thing helping you lose weight, it's caloric deficit and food restriction. That's literally just science just with the funky twist of faith based fear of displeasing God and eternal damnation in Hell for doing so by remaining fat.
Thanks for introducing me to Gwen, I didn’t like her hair but she was a pretty amazing woman. A lady boss with a good book that helped a lot of people. She would forgive y’all laughing about and profiting off of her life and death.
The entertainment sector has a awful habit and problem of idolizing the villains and not listening to the stories of their victims the ones that they persecuted but such is the founding of this country we idolize the so-called forefathers who are the ultimate villains and step on the stories of the persecuted American descendants of slavery!
I know the church doesn't understand and had changed ideas that are clearly taught in the new testament. Once you start doing that then there is room for putting anything that you feel or desire into the bible. The fact that she had millions and millions of dollars seems like a good motivation for going off the rails.
These people get greedy and corrupt. You don't need these so-called ministers, reverends, and preachers to be one with God. You can do directly to the Master. I know, personally those who are false prophets or just Pimps in the Pulpit looking to get rich, famous or both.
I live and work very close to Remnant Church . At one time, several church members actually worked at the same company where I still work. The church didn't seem like a cult until you started hearing the stories of the people who were members. A church member that I became good friends with and her husband were trying to leave the church, and it was like the stories that you hear about people who try to leave Scientology. My friend and her husband actually relocated to another state instead of officially leaving the church. The church was trying to turn my friends teenage children against my friend and her husband and kept telling them that if they left the church, they would never see their children again.
Become an alcoholic anorexic pushing her eating disorders on others? A lying hypocrite who divorced her husband to marry a non believer while she forced others to stay in an abusive relationship? What are we missing??
People who didn't begin with Gwen in the 90's, go to the workshops and read the books and do the program can't know how Gwen's deception progressed. I followed Gwen for over 25 years, not as a cult member but agreeing that food idolatry is a real thing. Anytime you look to the creation for help and not the Creator for His solution, you are looking for help you'll never find. Only the Holy Spirit can manifest self control in a believer's life. We have no righteousness apart from Jesus Christ. Gwen began losing weight for herself. She got followers because people want to worship and follow people. They want some "formula" for success outside of self control. I believe as people elevated Gwen to "fame" and as they elevated her, she got sideways and Satan started to twist what began as a truth. Gwen did what she did by choice but unless you were a part of this whole weigh down journey, you can't sit outside and judge her correctly.
So unless a person becomes a pedophile, they can't judge pedophiles? Basically what you're saying. She can be judged against Scriptures and by her fruit: Divorce, murder, eating disorders, greed, lies, hair spray addiction.....
I think he is just saying you can not fully understand her path without understanding the weight loss journey. He is saying that she went down the wrong path and people raised her to heights because people want to follow and want rules. They want a program to fix them and that is what Jesus taught. That is why we build religions rather than follow God, as the wind blows from the east to the west and so it is with the people of the spirit of God. Not saying what you said was wrong in any way. I totally agree with you. @@pinkystores9451
I think Gwen started out ok but went off the rails after she started "her church"
According to her son, she was having an affair while leading the church. A hypocrite! Someone who had NO business being the leader of a church. We, as followers of Jesus Christ, have a duty to bring these things out in the open.
This is a fair and true comment. I live overseas and have never even attended anything by her, but I do have the book Weigh Down. I think Gwen was an amazing person, she was inspiring, she was funny, she was honest and tough-: something we need more of in the world today. I am saddened it ended like this for her, and feel this snarky pack of vultures on stage are repulsive.
Yet, there's no getting around the path Gwen went on, I think she was in a marriage where physical affection had long left the building, and as a fit woman who still looked brilliant for her age, the lure of a Joe Lara was too much to resist. I feel for her in that, but my God, it's one thing to think of it--but to DO it? Crazy.
Also, Dan Grynder, the guy who analyses flight logs and all the rest states that without a doubt he believes Joe crashed that plane intentionally. He thinks this was a suicide/mass murder event and that just adds to the tragedy of Gwen's end :( May she Rest in Peace.
The documentary was important and well done. Unfortunately I could not watch this, after Christy Tiegan walked on stage. She and Gwen have a lot in common. They are both bullies.
Yes! She would have fit in well there.
I’m curious about your thoughts of Chrissy Tibetan being a bully. Can you share what you mean by that and examples? I don’t know much about her….Gwen Shamblin was just an absolute freak….
Same here!
I’m not listening either since she’s on the panel. Why? She’s a known twitter bully.
Due to Christy Tibetan spouting off so many very negative tweets, i now cringe at her name, picture, or voice. From the things she has said, she is a very ugly woman.
The documentary was great. Now do Chrissy Teigen…
Gwen revealed her true self in the end . In her will , ZERO $ went to her " church"
Who got the money?
@@melissapepin8858 her daughter, Elizabeth Hannah.
@@rpsabq2774 Well, Elizabeth is apparently the leader of the Church now, so I guess everyone is ok with it?
@@melissapepin8858 her daughter & her son. Her son despises her now & knows it was a cult (now). His sister took over (her husband died in the crash too).
I want you guys to do a documentary interviewing people that were wronged by Gwen & some of her helpers
She was absolutely Evil! Tammy Fae at least loved people.
Why is pancake face on here?
She told a 16 year old to kill herself.
Why do you have her on here?
That's evil.
Agree. She is publicity seeking. It appears.
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She does look like a 🥞
Exactly, she is a bully.
Not to mention her awful , nasty, dirty tweets about children! Satanic.🤬
My name is Deborah Mathias. we were members of the Remnant fellowship church for 14 years. I left becaouse of spiritual reasons . im a medium and psychic and knew i would be shunned/ thankkyou for your special it has been very healing for us. Plus has given us another perspective of what we went through for years,
Was everyone hungry constantly? I'm not trying to joke or make light. It seems like Gwen had serious issues related to food, an eating disorder, that she pushed onto others.
If you are a medium, you are contacting the demonic realm. You can’t follow Jesus and follow satan. You are in a very dangerous place because satan and his demons hate you. If you turn from the occult, Jesus will forgive you and free you from the demonic realm.
A medium and psychic are NOT of God. He speaks against such things. I pray you come to know the REAL God.
How could a real "medium and psychic" not be able to see through this fuckery? Was her hair blocking your sight?
@@deniseandrews113lol
Can you guys get Chrissy Teigen off the stage?
Curious…if Joe was piloting the plane, was it not investigated as a purposeful crash to “suicide” himself, Gwen and the main church leaders in light of this HBO series or something else exposing them? I watched a moment ago, “Life with Gwen and Joe” done in May 2020 where Gwen gushes about Joe’s piloting skills and he says something to her about not questioning her courage if she trusts flying with him!
I think he just wasn't that skilled. They explain in the documentary how Gwen kept buying him jets, planes, and even a helicopter. He didn't have time to really learn how to fly all those safely.
Please check out Dan Gryder's RUclips channel. Dan covered this plane crash extensively, and as a pilot himself, he explained that Joe had no business flying that jet. Basically, Joe got his rating (or certification) on flying that jet when he shouldn't have. Joe was certified to fly VFR (visual flight rules), and then he pushed a flight instructor to give him his IFR (instrument flight rules) certification. When Joe took up their jet for that fatal flight, he most likely got spatial disorientation, and unintentionally flew the jet into the ground.
@@KelseyDunlevy Dan's latest video on this, if it's still up, made he clear he does NOT believe this was unintentional. He says straight up this was a suicide/murder event and that he can prove it.
@@merrymeditation i did see Dan's latest video claiming it was suicide... bold claim, and I can understand how Dan got to that conclusion, but I'm not sure if we'll ever know for sure that it was an actual suicide--unless Dan has got a suicide note or something!
@@KelseyDunlevy well, I found his reasoning for this theory to be compelling. Joe's background of alcoholism and its consequences on the psyche, match a feeling trapped reality. Michael Shamblin said in his latest videos that he felt Joe hated his life, hated the position he was in being Gwen's financial boy toy and that he was resentful at everyone in Remnant. It works for me as a motive, and if he was drunk that day, even more so. Anyways, true that we may never have it officially confirmed, and maybe we have to let it go, but Dan's conclusion was that it was technically impossible for someone to do this kind of dive down unintentionally holds weight for me.
My women's Bible study read her book and did the workshop when it first came out. We had great success and many revelations about food being a crutch where we needed to rely on God. The workbook was well done and presented every single scripture that related to food. I found it useful for years. I didn't keep up with Gwen. And I didn't know she started a church. I'm not sure there was a reason to 'join a church' that revolved around this message. The moral here is to look for a group of Believers who will introduce you to Jesus Christ. He is real. He died for you and He is returning soon. Follow Him!
This story is just sad. How can she pour her heart into a book on idolatry and get sucked in by the love of money? Preaching on anything but the love of Jesus is a bad idea.
I wonder what the interviewers on stage think of How Jennifer Gray did as portraying Gwen in the New Life Time movie that will be shown this February?
I didnt like it At All .. I read her interview on her portraying Gwen.. And thought OH this should be Watchable.. It was NOT ..
@@barbaradonlin3675 Jennifer nailed the performance, but the storytelling, plot line, and transitions in the storytelling were bad. Jennifer has fantastic talent as an actress, but the material was lacking.
It isn’t a cult. You were able to leave any time you wanted. Not a fan of Chrissy at all.
Who is Chrissy Tiegen?
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She is married to singer/songwriter John Legend. He is a talented person. Her? Not-so-much. She's naked or almost naked - a lot. I think she thinks she's a comedian. But she's more 'famous' for having his children.
I can’t take this seriously with Chrissy tiegen up there.
Actually, the first Commandment may be violated here. Self-adoration doesn't work with "I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have false gods before me."
I don't understand why Chrissy Tiegen is involved except that she is pretty and popular. I can't watch it..
Not totally sure. All I can think of is that she put up some money for the making of the doc
It's fantastic they have an A-list celebrity to raise awareness!
@@goodkarna
Many more important things to raise awareness about than this. This is entertainment nothing more.
Why taking so long to get on with the story,don’t really care what U wanted we want to hear ab Gwen
Thank you. Chrissy is so excited about such a sad story. I'm interested to but not so cheerful. 🫣
Tissy Keagan???
Lifetime did do a docudrama. Jennifer Grey played Gwen.
Chrissy T is a Bully shame on sxsw for this.
Despite the absurdity of the whole thing surrounding the cult, the weight loss concept was not 1/2 bad lol.
Exactly! I have 4 of her weightloss books. Her books are the ONLY thing that has actully helped me lose weight. I could care less what goes on at her church.
@@blueflamekeeper8068 Her books aren't the only thing helping you lose weight, it's caloric deficit and food restriction. That's literally just science just with the funky twist of faith based fear of displeasing God and eternal damnation in Hell for doing so by remaining fat.
@@blueflamekeeper8068 right??who cares if children are being murder 🤷🏻♀️
@@GitanAnimex I must have ruffled your feathers, lol!
@@blueflamekeeper8068 interesting so you read her books and it lead you to eat less and loose weight?
Thanks for introducing me to Gwen, I didn’t like her hair but she was a pretty amazing woman. A lady boss with a good book that helped a lot of people. She would forgive y’all laughing about and profiting off of her life and death.
You’re so blind
Amen 🥰
She'd probably sue them
the sound on this sucks. its called "bass" and if you use it it won't sound like it's coming out of a pocket radio.
_Only in America!_
Percy Priest lake? Percy= Perseus - Origin: Greek. Meaning: Destroyer,, Depressing!
WOW!!!! Who knew???
Even her name has the word sham in it. 🤣
The entertainment sector has a awful habit and problem of idolizing the villains and not listening to the stories of their victims the ones that they persecuted but such is the founding of this country we idolize the so-called forefathers who are the ultimate villains and step on the stories of the persecuted American descendants of slavery!
I know the church doesn't understand and had changed ideas that are clearly taught in the new testament. Once you start doing that then there is room for putting anything that you feel or desire into the bible. The fact that she had millions and millions of dollars seems like a good motivation for going off the rails.
Got sick of listening to their own stories
38:34 Nope, what does Trump have to do with this subject. Really, sounds like the interviewer has his own issues with Stockholm syndrome.
These people get greedy and corrupt. You don't need these so-called ministers, reverends, and preachers to be one with God. You can do directly to the Master. I know, personally those who are false prophets or just Pimps in the Pulpit looking to get rich, famous or both.
Excellent series!!!
The Weigh Down
What is all this crap?
Try watching and learning something.
Money Grabbing Shamblin - Evil - Daughter of Satan - 666 !!!!
And get that haystack off your head. There could be bugs in there.
Just don’t see how this was a cult
it wasn't. it was just a another 'church" controlling people.
I live and work very close to Remnant Church . At one time, several church members actually worked at the same company where I still work. The church didn't seem like a cult until you started hearing the stories of the people who were members. A church member that I became good friends with and her husband were trying to leave the church, and it was like the stories that you hear about people who try to leave Scientology. My friend and her husband actually relocated to another state instead of officially leaving the church. The church was trying to turn my friends teenage children against my friend and her husband and kept telling them that if they left the church, they would never see their children again.
Are you all jealous because you can’t do what she did bye yall
Become an alcoholic anorexic pushing her eating disorders on others? A lying hypocrite who divorced her husband to marry a non believer while she forced others to stay in an abusive relationship? What are we missing??