Most Common Mistakes With Overdrive Pedals | Gear Corner
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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Today I wanna talk about the most common mistakes people do when using overdrive / distortion pedals.
Enjoy the video and let me know in the comments what you think about it!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:12 Intro song
1:21 Mistake 1 | how much gain?
2:29 PLAYING | Dial in distortion pedals
4:11 Mistake 2 | Amps matter a lot with pedals
5:25 PLAYING | Using different amps
6:25 Mistake 3 | Is "too little drive" an issue?
7:48 PLAYING | Stacking pedals
8:42 Which amp will work best with pedals?
Gear used in this video:
(the Bitly links are Thomann affiliate links)
-Gibson Les Paul CS '58 reissue bit.ly/2FxKvek
-Soldano SLO pedal: bit.ly/3FyRcwj
-Just a Klone (DIY pedal)
-Marshall Shred Master (90's original)
-TC Electronic Grand Magus
-Kasleder Toxic Twins: bit.ly/2VJRDiO
-UAFX Golden Reverb: bit.ly/3vS36JN
-REVV Dynamis 7/40 head: bit.ly/3C8MfbE
-Mesa Boogie Mark III head
-Universal Audio OX BOX bit.ly/2IyOeuj
-Two Notes Captor X: bit.ly/33FPfcW
-One Control Agamidae switcher: bit.ly/2YZgiib
-Evidence Lyric cables: bit.ly/3QJHQ40
-Evidence Audio patch cables: bit.ly/2Ixylo1
-DR Strings: bit.ly/3QcKUon
Other gear I use in my videos:
-Harley Benton Fusion-II Roasted SSP bit.ly/31FVawf
-Gibson Les Paul CM 2015 - heavily modified "Junior"
-Barocsi Troublecaster - Custom built T-style
-Barocsi "Frankenstrat"
-UAFX Astra Modulation: bit.ly/3ycxXFu
-Xotic Super Clean: bit.ly/36fsHka
-J Rockett Uni-Verb: bit.ly/3OglswM
-Fender Telecaster CS '53 reissue bit.ly/2KFVJld
-Kasleder Vintage King: bit.ly/3bPU0sN
-REVV Tilt overdrive: bit.ly/3PtrWdv
-VS Audio Royal Flush bit.ly/3CYRtFK
-VS Audio Pandora Fuzz bit.ly/3twBaN2
-Honey Bee Double Trouble: honeybeeamps.com
-Kasleder Time Trap delay: bit.ly/3jQkha6
-Walrus Audio D1 Delay: bit.ly/3G228iP
-Empress Effects Compressor bit.ly/3BAubVe
-Analogman King of Tone analogman.com
-Tate FX Raise the Dead Ge: tatefx.co.uk
-J Rockett Archer overdrive: bit.ly/2Ges1z8
-Morgan 1x12 cab Twilight: bit.ly/2KFihDq
The speech mic:
-SENNHEISER MKH 416: bit.ly/2w1EAMP
Audio Interface:
-Audient iD44: bit.ly/2Jo73zN
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Kris 
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Great video!
Wow, Kris, thank you, really an eye opener, never really thought of boosting signal (other than aiming for saturated tone) by stacking another boost or overdrive pedal in front of our favorite or most-used OD or Dist pedal.
Thank you for the great advice Kris!
My pleasure buddy! Thanks for checking it out! 🤗
JCM800 and Plexi are my favourite pedal platforms, really good for stacking drive pedals (especially plexi). I'm curious how the new Blackstar Amp 1 behaves with different pedals as it's designed to take "everything". Also Drive pedals>EQ>amp is an interesting approach.
Glad to see a Shredmaster, it was one of my first pedals in the 90s as well! I used it a lot at the time in front of an AC-30
Hey Kris! Great video again! My main gain pedals are Marshally amp-in-a-box types of which I have tried 4 in the last few years. First was the JHS "THe AT" (Andy Timmons signature Angry Charlie which is JCM-800 type I believe). It sounded great in my "red knobs" Twin (very high headroom and LOUD but not especially scooped for a Fender) as well as in my Revv Dynamis 7-40. I now use the actual Angry Charlie with the 3 knobs EQ in the Dynamis and it also sounds great.
Recently I wanted a pedal that would sound similar to the Dynamis Red channel as I needed to use the amp as a pure pedal platform in some circumstances so, after discussing it with Sam at Revv, I got the Revv G4. It sounds even better than the JHS and feels even more amp-like. My other drive is the Wampler Tumnus Deluxe which I use for my crunch tone mostly and it too sounds great in the DYnamis..
But before getting the regular Angry Charlie, I had purchased the Wampler Pinnacle Deluxe as it sounded great in all demos of it I heard. I could NOT get it to work for me. The EQ is so radical I had about a 1/10th of a turn on the Treble knob that was usable on the pedal. I couldn't try it in my red knobs Twin as that amp is out of commission for the time being (it needs repairs). The Pinnacle didn't sound any better in my MKII Katana head which I had been using after the Twin died and before I got my Dynamis. In the same cab, it had the exact same issue. The Katana dirt channels all sound great in my Marshall 4x12 cab (2 x V30s + 2 x H75 Creambacks in X pattern).
So it really depends on the drive pedal. Both JHS AT/AC and the Revv G4 and the Tumnus De;luxe sound amazing in my Dynamis through the same 4x12 and the Revv 1x12 with a H75 Creamback I got recently for smaller venues. I kmow the JHS AT sounded great in my Twin so I'M sure the ANgry Charlie and G4 would sound great in it too. Same for the Tumnus. But the PInnacle is absolutely unusable for me.
I have a few other distortion/overdrive pedal models in my HX Effects and most are at least usable in my Dynamis and some sound great (even the DS-1!) but some do not (anything Rat based which I dislike to begin with to be honest). The OCD model in the HX sounds really good. Really have a heard time getting a usable sound out of its KOT/POT models though. The TS and Klon models are fine.
A lot of it is a matter of taste of course but my struggling to get a usable sound out of the Pinnacle Deluxe was real and I loved that pedal in demos. Sp I was surprised I wasn't able to get it to work for me. It's another MIAB type pedal so I expected it to work well in my Dynamis. Have you tried that pedal?
Thanks Kris!
100% agreed!! Stacking gain is the key! Awesome video, buddy. Cheers!!!
Kösz, hogy bevezettétek a forint alapú fizetést Krisz! Mindig csak tőletek rendeltem mig németben laktam, legkiválóbb hangszercentrum vagytok egész Európában!
Very cool upload. I always stack my boost, fuzz, and overdrive pedals too, and always have preferred the gain turned as low as possible, for edge of break up sound
Thanks a lot buddy! Yeah, it’s all about stacking, isn’t it? Most variety and most natural feel.
Great Video again! Kris, many thanks! Would you mind sharing your settings on the Mesa? I saw you also had the graphic eq engaged, right? Thanks Christian
I love the Fulldrive as it gives you a clean boost into a great medium gain drive. It made me experiment more and my LPB clone is great into so many drives.
The Suhr Bella is one of the best amp for pedal (or preamp pedal) I ever tried. Pity you not notify the bright switch (or presence) on amp is most of the time the key to have the best sound possible. Modern pedal have presence or voicing to get the best sound but it's a very important setting in the most of time. I don't know what you think about it but I preferred a very clean bright sound and setting the overdrive darker than the opposite.
Great idea your video ! Thx Kris ! Love
Thanks for the video, Kris! I have a Blackstar amp that have 2 clean channels and every channel takes overdrive/fuzz pedals radically different. And for pedals that do not have tone control knobs or eq it is hard or sometimes impossible to pair it with the Fender-style channel, but less problematic with Marshal-style. Sometimes a tone that I don't like on its own sits in a mix very well, so, unless one plays in isolation all the time, I would suggest to keep experimenting!
By the way, this could be an interesting topic Kris: guitar sound on its own vs. in music context!
Good video!!! I have a Fender Super Champ XD and a Fender Telecaster American Standard. There is no single pedal that i tried that sounds bad!!!! I now have (not all in my board right now) a Nux Horseman, Turbo Rat (USA) Ibanez ts9dx, Digitech Screamin Blues and the Digitech Distortion Factory
I agree and always run into the front of amp .
The way pedals respond to other pedals or the preamp is just as important to me as the sound of the pedal itself. I run a gain fxxker ii as a crunch pedal (it’s kind of like a higher gain crunch/dist with a lot of presence, it makes a gibson sound like a strat) and a leqtique 11/11 stacked for leads. they’re both ostensibly metal pedals, but the crunch tones on them are killer!
If you wanna play math rock, the gain fxxker ii is literally the best pedal imo.
I’ve been very happy with my fender champion 100. I use the 1st channel as a mute and channel 2 is to set to the Jazz model with the gain set between 2-3, treble and bass around 4 and the mids dimed . It gets a bright high headroom ultra clean.
I run a NUX horsemen ( Klon Klon) with the gain very low as a clean boost then into a sweet baby low gain od for just past the edge of break up and a REVV G3 or a Boss MT-2 for high gain.
Occasionally I’ll run the Sunn 412 but mostly just the stock 12’s in the combo.
I love my tone
Hi Kris , for me my best pedal Platform IS my Deluxe reverb 68 silverface with all m'y kasleders pedals, protein , the dane , fuzz ... But with my blackstar ht-20 MK2 2*12 its really tricky and i think it doesnt really needs pedals to sound Big and fat with eq and both gain stages. Thanks again for your vidéos, keep doing .
I have the Highes and Kettner Tubemeister 18, but only use the clean channel. It's so clean and use the TC Novadrive-the OD side is on almost all the time-settings all at 12 o'clock and a very under-rated dual OD/distortion pedal in my opinion. But just got the Nobel ODR Mini, love it, and have the Wampler Dual Fusion and the AleksK Honeymoon 2 also. All fantastic pedals
Such a great video! It's taken me a while to figure out all that stuff you're talking about. But, absolutely true words... pedals get along with different amps, and even if you're using an amp as a pedal platform, finding the sweet spot (edge of break up, probably) really helps pedals sound more natural. As stated, you really gotta try stuff out. Also, people don't realize how much volume or lack thereof plays into the auditory equation.
Thanks man! And YES to volume! That’s a big one too.
Hello Kris. Absolutely love your videos and not trying to be critical because it sounded amazing, but in the last example did you notice the gain knob was maxed out on the toxic twins pedal? Just trying to figure all this out. Keep up the good work!
I have a lot of fun with a slight boost in front of fuzz pedals - can get really gnarly.
Pedals with great dynamic response and great clean up, I usually crank the gain pretty high.
I use the Toxic Twins with the BB side on hard-clipping and the gain pretty high and adjust the "saturation" with the volume of my strat.
It's a great way to reduce "tap dancing", but you know that!
Can't thank you enough for introducing me to this pedal.
Cheers!
HM
That’s so cool man, glad to spread the word about awesome gear. 🙌 The TT is my discovery of the decade.
I like using my Fender hotrod Deville as a platform amp with Xotic overdrive like soul driven and v2 booster. And for heavier I’ll add an OCD pedal.
Hallo Kris, Thank you for all of your videos😊🎸🎸🎸 I have a Fender super Reverb and I did NOT like the New Soldano super overdrive pedal, It sounds like there is af lit above the Sound! I like a overdrive/Distortion with a lot af headroom and clear Sound. Like kot (I am on the waiting list) but I dont know wich overdrive I should by, for my rythm?(I have Pete Cornish double for soloing)
I hate to say it because a lot of people do really love it, but I didn’t like the Boss DS-1. I got it because I saw a bunch of videos online recently raving about how underrated and hated it is, and I’m sure there’s usable sounds, but with my rig it just didn’t work. I also had less experience experimenting with pedals at that point so I traded it towards something else. However, now I have a Walrus Audio Eras Distortion, a Walrus Audio Warhorn Combo Overdrive, and a NUX Horseman (Klon clone) and between those three, I can get every flavor of overdrive that I really want. I’m very excited because I just got a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe as an early Christmas present, and I CAN’T WAIT to try it with my overdrives to see which one I like best. Right now I’ve been playing my blues junior, which seems to really like the Horseman the best.
I bought the Friedman Small Box Pedal after watching Pete Thorns demo. I had a Victory V40 amp at the time, so a clean “pedal platform” amp. Should have sounded great in theory but it was awful. The amp is too clean and it just sounded thin and buzzy. Nothing like Pete’s sound at all. I had both the amp and pedal up for sale. I ended up selling the Victory but couldn’t shift the pedal. A while later I acquired a Friedman mini Dirty Shirley amp and tried the pedal with it. Mind was totally blown! It was completely different. The sound I had originally wanted. Tight but fat and huge sounding with a percussive attack and good amount of gain. Just couldn’t believe how different it sounded. For me the Friedman mini DS is my perfect pedal platform amp. On the edge of breakup and fat sounding. The amp makes all the difference with pedals
I use a revv d20. I have a ts9 and searching for a extra overdrive pedal. I was looking for the archer. But in the vid you say, that you can put a ts type pedal also in front. Like you do with the klon. So maybe i should check out a pantheon or some sort.
I use a Vox, which of course is super bright, with my Les Paul and various ODs. Humbuckers can be a little dark but with the Vox with it's very bright sound, it's a good pairing. pedals I keep coming back to are a 'carl martin hot drive'n''boost' and a 'dirty little secret' clone. nice crunch but still articulate. I find Klons a little muddy sounding but that might be me not dialling in properly.
JCM 800 with a Tube screamer is my go to sound.
I have a Laney Lionheart 20 1x12 Combo and it took several Fails until I Hit the Tone in my Mind. i now habe Thorpy FX Peacekeeper (low gain) and a Fallout Cloud in my Board. It‘s Perfect now. The Fallout is set up like more of a Distortion, Not really fuzzy in Front of the Peacekeeper. So I have 3 Gain options . But I‘m thinking about a Gadius too since a Friend of mine bought one as a third gain Stage
I use an old Fender Blues Deluxe. I run Klon into a TS in front of the amp and a Boss eq with the mids pumped a bit. I love the tone I get by stacking these. However, my OCD never passed the tone test. It didn't seem as versatile as my others. Any thoughts?
Holy shit that mesa mk3 sounded amazing clean.
Hi Kris, since you did the video on the DR strings putting round core against hex core strings, has this changed what strings you are using now with a new preference or are your previous strings a comfort zone, also out of curiosity, which strings was your regulars and which of the DR strings did you both enjoy the feel and sound of the most?
i use a klon style pedal with maxed gain into a deluxe reverb. awesome 00s punk rock tone
Sick 💪
I have a Splawn 2020 model and I swear they made pretty difficult to use with pedals. Like I asked the owner of Splawn what pedals he likes to use with a Splawn. Scott’s reply was, you don’t need one lol. I mean the amp really doesn’t but so far out of all my pedals I have narrowed it down to a walrus audio EB-10 EQ pedal that has a boost on it… that kicks that amp pretty good. Better than any of my OD pedals which I have many.. Maxon, Boss, MXR, earthquaker, etc…. On the other hand I have one of the Mini JCM800 Studio heads and the Boss and MxR custom bad ass really play well with that head. What’s weird is, the Splawn is supposedly a 800 on roids(def has more gain in all 3 of the gears, but it doesn’t like pedals like the Marshall does.
"Don't max out the gain" ... continues maxing out the Toxic Twins ... and boosting it ;-) Awesome pedal... and great vid as always
Haha, I know 😅 Yeah I didn’t want to make it even more confusing with saying „well there are some pedals you can max out“ because it’s really not typical that it works. KoT, Toxic Twins, Blues Breaker, Royal Flush and even the tube screamer… there are some exceptions. 😁
I bought a Cataline Breed Sabbra Cadabra, and my Mesa Boogie amp hates it. The pedal that I found works best is the Line 6 Uber metal pedal. I know a lot of people don't like that pedal, but through the Mesa, it sounds massive!
Yeah man, that’s it. Some pedals just work really well with certain amps.
Could you make a review of the ToneX capture feature?
The fairfield barbershop sounds incredible through a vox or a fender amp but when I got it home and used it on my Mesa it sounds pretty terrible. Very sad.
Something to try. If you cant get any volume boost from a drive, Turn down the gain on the amp a bit.
I bought a TS9 because of its reputation. With my Tele and Orange amp, it was ugly. Then I got a Wampler Euphoria. Wow! Tons of control and options. (I also use an MXR Dynacomp). I'm not selling the TS9. Something with P90s is at the top of my wishlist, and it might really pop with that guitar. Who knows. Thanks for sharing your insights.
You have to try the TS9 with a strat and into a Fender blackface amp. That is awesome. Or an LP, TS9 into plexi. 🙌
I have a Rivera kr100 and HX effect
On channel 1 like klon
But channel 2/3 don't like klon
Like that subject in your video 👍
At 2:58 you do a run that slaughters!
Will you show us how to do that???😁
my chain is a wampler tumnus deluxe to shape the tone into a fulltone FD-1 as main gain structure into an always on prince of tone (on boost mode) to push an 800 style amp into breakup. if i need a more compress heavy tone i turn down the gain of the tumnus and step on a wampler ego at the beginning of the chain. with these four pedals i'm confident i can play anything on any amp.
Ohh man, that sounds too cool. 🙌
I like my DSL20 with TS9 or TS808. Don’t like Boss SD-1 or Maxon Extreme with it.
My Randall Diavlo 45 needs the Fortin Maxon for grit & nothing else.
Just some of what I use.
Guilty of not taking the time to understand how Metal Zone's eq worked and selling it dirt cheap just to get rid of it...🤘
My fender tweed and plexi take pedals really well, all pedals sound good. Slightly better than my AC30, Orange Rockerverb & DSL100 which might be funny with some pedals (like AC30 and tube screamer isn’t fantastic, much better with a klon style that retains some of the low end)
Oof!!!! As sweet as "Tupelo Honey" my dude!!!
Nice video, but what tends to be forgotten is, that if you want that punchy high gain sound, it will depend on your rhythm hand picking attack. Malcom, Ian, Mustaine and Hetfield have a strong picking hand, but don’t use a lot of gain necessarily.
So so true! It comes down to how you pick and how/where exactly you palm mute. 🙌
Kris probably has the best analog sound of all guitar bloggers )
Aw man, I don’t even know what to say. Thanks so much!! ❤
So I need a messa for my grand magus 😁😁😁😁
I actually didn’t know some of this
Thanks Kris
Cooking and learning
Super Dad!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best dad! You deserve that Mesa. 😆 cheers mate!
@@KrisBarocsi I’m fortunate that the kemper profiles are close
But they don’t “ move the air” the same
🤗
I’m new here , thanks for the tips , you sound Canadian
Thanks a lot man and welcome! That's a compliment, even though I've never been to Canada I love a lot of things coming from there. 🙌
I'm actually Hungarian and I used to live in Queens, NY for a while as a kid. So that weird mixture of an accent is what I have to deal with, haha. Cheers buddy!
Maxing a 250 sounds good 🎛
One pedal I just didn't understand... Full tone OCD. Much higher gain pedal than I realized and also has that compression like 'sag' you get from a cranked amp making that high gain sound naturally. Not a fan of that feeling myself and my AC30 didn't really compliment that pedal either.
The Vox AC15 was the hardest amp to match pedals with, while Fender amps are pedal monsters!
I can fully agree with that. AC15/ AC30 are tricky.
I watched a lot of yt videos about the the mxr il diavolo and i realy liked it....until i got it in my chain.=> mxr => blackstar ht 5r. No matter what i've dailed in, i can't get any tone out of it rather then 🤮😕
I use the Line 6 Catalyst as my main amp. The clean channel is phenomenal as a pedal platform. I haven't had any pedals sound bad through it. Currently I have the Revv G2, G3, G4, MXR Sugar Drive and Wampler Moxie. The amp really let's the voice of the pedal come through.
I would rate a good boost or preamp pedal more important than overdrives. Would even rate an EQ pedal higher and more relevant for your tone than overdrives. So invest in those before you put money into any overdrives. Better safe your money for an above average (tube) amp. We are oversupplied by overdrive pedals because of low entry barriers due to simple circuits, cheap parts and attractive margins. RUclips (JHS, Wampler etc.) does its thing telling you that you can‘t live without them.
I recently got a new amp. All of my pedals sound better now!
What’s the amp?
@@KrisBarocsi a Victory V4 Copper Amp Pedal. It's got the chimey clean thing and takes pedals beautifully!
Maybe you could help out the guys at Andertons...Their latest Soldano pedal demo...twice and they still couldn't get it right.
Fender Blues Deville + Empress Heavy + Les Paul Traditional = Not as expected (to the worst). Probably traces back to double-scooped-mids idea..
Hmm. Sorry to hear that. Try a Revv D20 with the Empress and an LP. I was blown away.
Tone.
prolly my worst mistake ever was loaning out my marshall drive master and the dude ghosting me 3 months later....
Ohh man… I feel you. 😭
JTM45?
🙌🙌🙌
Ich verwechsel immer Input und Output. Bin aber auch Linkshänder 🙄
😆 Ich verstehe es absolut. Bin auch lefty, spiele nur rechts rum.
I'm guilty of doing about 80 % of these "ERRORs" 🤣 but why do you call'em errors ⁉
Don't be shy: trying/buying a couple of the colored boxes is fun ...
Just make sure to employ a Tele when playing 'em ✅
Maybe the solution for the amp problem is just to use two different amps in dual mono or stereo!? 🤔
That is always the solution. 😂 Two amps do magic to your tone. 🙌
I have to disagree. Max gain is the only way to use an overdrive.
Distortion doesn't need to be maxed, of course.
1:22 It could be funny, if another video came in, from left, You in 2008's and say the opposite No Kris, crank up the overdrive's gain to the max. It's completely ok! Hahaha :). Jk...
😆😆 I should’ve done that. „Hey, old man, shut it and crank that gain“.
Btw even back then I used less gain than 10 years before that, haha!
I buy an overdrive pedal based solely on the color…if I like the color I use it…but I’m an idiot 😳
Haha, you're very far from being an idiot. I have a very hard time falling in love with a pedal that sounds great but doesn't look "right". Is this unreasonable? I believe so. But are we human beings instead of computers that purely follow logic? Hellsyeah. 😅
the most common mistake with overdrive pedals is not having one
Yes. YES!! 😆🙌
Yes! I am liker #666! 🤘
Haha, nice! 😆 And thanks!
Boss Angry Driver... a dog of a pedal (sorry Josh). Sounded meh with any amp.
You should talk to my buddy, Guillaume. He used and loved that pedal for quite long. Or did you sell it already? I guess then it’s too late. 😅