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We asked people in South Carolina what the Confederate flag means to them. Some say it's about southern history and heritage, while others believe it's about slavery and racism. The debate is strong in light of calls from South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and Republican Presidential candidate Lindsey Graham calling for the removal of the flag in the wake of the shootings at a historically black church that left nine people dead.
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I actually think the first guy made a pretty good point.
Yeah but a dumb one southern heritage and what they fought for was the right to keep slaves. Southern heritage is slavery!
Jimi Hendrix STFU
Jimi Hendrix Wrong, wrong, wrong. What history book did you study? Does the term states' rights mean anything?
Jinxie Smith
No, not wrong. People trying to pretend history is not what it is... It was about the State's Rights to own slaves. The whole of Southern society was believed to collapse with the abolition of slavery...
*If you don't believe me, hear it from the horse's mouth and **_READ_** the Confederate Constitution.* It tells it all plain and simple.
RepublicAgent It is interesting that in his first inaugural address Abraham Lincoln said he had "...no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." It complicates the argument that the South left the Union solely over a dispute about "State's Rights to own slaves". Is it your belief then that the South left the Union to preserve slavery, and the Union fought the war for the purpose of ending slavery?
I'll tell y'all, before the Confederacy was a thing the USA still had slaves don't forget that
But there's to sides the democrats wanting slavery and Republicans getting rid of it. that is one of the reasons the parties separated.
@@Mae-gl3mk no there wasn't if there was a switch then why is democrats still all about race like they was back then the parties didn't switch just the methods of getting there agenda done there was a study done a couple years ago that found that the most racist party in America is the democrats and the most racist race is black people and joe Biden is the most racist president in decades look up his track record and just a couple days ago he slipped up and said the n word
@@derekkyle9386 there is a switch of some sort
This works how?
@@derekkyle9386 Yup, pretty much slavery divided the Democratic Republican party
I love how every RUclips commenter ever seems to have years of education and a PhD on any subject ever.
funny how so many brought the Constitution into certain topics like they wrote it!!!
I love how that’s complete nonsense
@@crypastesomemore8348 we found one bois
Fax
Everyone has a PhD on RUclips comment section 😂😂
I think slavery was a lot more than just 1% of what went on considering it was the biggest economic endeavor of the time but okay.
+Faces Productions thank anthony johnson for making john casor a slave in 1661. oh you dont know shit about that?
leviticus ftw Yeah, John Casor wasn't the first slave and Anthony Johnson wasn't the first slave owner. You'd know that if you did the tiniest bit of research.
ObIiiviion He didn't. He actually offered the South guaranteed slavery forever in the South as a compromise for them to rejoin the union
Faces Productions yes but slavery was one of the smaller reasons the confederates were fighting.
I agree
notice how that woman said not JUST about racism
Just pick and choose which part fits the negative agenda and obsess on that , after 150 years to suddenly be offended because somebody says is ridiculous .
You can use music as an example if you like rap music you don’t have to like all of it if you hate country music you don’t have to listen to it. Honestly I’m fine with people flying it privately I’m not sure about on government property and let the statues be statues you can view it how you feel
Finley bottom majority of people who fly it think it’s heritage take it as you will most people who fly it don’t support slavery they think it’s awful
I wouldn’t assume people who fly are racist I wouldn’t fly it I think it should be in a museum but I support freedom of speech so if you want to fly it you can
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if some people fly the nazi flag or ussr flag the thing is don’t be in fear of stuff like that( I understand history so I don’t repeat it I usually think the past is the past the and I’ll leave the past in a museum personally but people can do what they want)
People here in Ireland sometimes use the Confederate flag, its seen as a cultural and heritage symbol not racist.
You will see it displayed in bars and at music festivals. I had some American friends ask me one day why the Confederate flag was flying from a pub in Belfast. They were shocked but to us its our cultural links to the USA as most Irish settled in the Eastern and Southern states that are known as 'The South' in the USA.
***** A lot of racists in Ireland it seems.
*****
white racists like to point out that there were irish slaves, yet there isn't one peer reviewed study confirming this idiocy. white irish poor were used as indentured servants.
they were not slaves.
the irish indentured servants would never have their children put into slavery.
also, did you say they were worth 1/10 a slave? lmao!
***** You've got the history right! They were called 'Scotch-Irish', mostly Scots (also Brits & Welsh) who moved to Ulster & other parts of Ireland to provide a buffer and a means of facilitating colonization of Ireland by British rule almost 4 centuries ago. My father's somewhat speculative account of his heritage only made sense to me when I learned about the Scotch-Irish. He claimed that he was mostly Scotch-Irish, but also of British & Welsh extraction, but was reluctant to claim any Irish origins for which he seemed to have aversion despite the fact that the American community of his childhood was largely Irish-American! WTF? The other source of my confusion was that his parents both had British surnames! WTF, again!
Anyway, not all of the Scotch-Irish émigrés to America ended up in the South. My father, who was from 3 or 4 generations in Michigan, claimed his ancestors moved to the frontier Michigan (then) mostly from New York State, Connecticut & Massachusetts; all Northern states! Most people seem to be unaware of the fact that their heritage is defined by a number of ancestors that doubles about 4-5 times per century, so my own ancestry for example, includes at least *65,000* ancestors from the time Scots moved to Ireland in large numbers. Note that there are many Irish-named descendants in our Northern states. Supposedly, most of that part of my American heritage dates back to the 1600's, so there must have been a surge in migration of Scotch-Irish to America then. The old family cemetery in Michigan includes mostly Scottish names mixed with Irish & British names, likely many of which are not clearly of a specific cultural heritage. My grandmother's surname was Smith, but my dad claimed she was mostly Scottish which confused me until I discovered that the great Enlightenment philosopher/economist Adam Smith was a Scot!
As an ethnic American subculture, the Scotch-Irish brought a personal independent attitude of self-sufficiency, self-reliance and semi-anarchy to the American culture that has infused an underlying rebelliousness to it. That influence also drove American pioneers westward to seek space and distance from the overly-urbane East Coast of America. Today, that effect is evident mostly in the South where so many have that defiant subculture still, but it remains elsewhere here too. As for me, I can't seem to get it out of my blood!
Thanks for your interesting comment. I live in Northern Ireland am of Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) decent myself. I also don't consider myself Irish rather I see myself as British as does most people in Northern Ireland.
There is an amazing history to the Ulster-Scots who went to America and had such a massive impact on the history, culture and leadership of America through some of the most important parts of your history.
The sad thing is that most people who went to America did actually just accept the term Irish over time and the Ulster-Scots/Scots-Irish connection has been lost.
***** You're welcome! I visited Edinburgh many years ago when I lived in Europe; I absolutely *loved* the people there! They reminded me of some of my favored relatives! I'm also fond of many of the Irish I've met.
First of all this is not the Confederate flag. It is the flag they flew in battle.
The real flag had one star
It is actually, the second flag the confederate took on, it may not have been the first one, but they took it on so?
True
@@ubself no, there was a white flag, than 1 that looked like the og American flag, but they never used the Battle flag.
That, realistically makes it better for the pro-confederate flag side.
Edited so you won't know what started this shit show
There's a big difference
A proud Zionist based on your name and picture,I'm going to assume you're Jewish. That flag is to a black person. What the swastika is to you. I'm not black or Jewish by the way.
Mr Popo
Perhaps, but then you should ban the UK flag as they were the ones who started it? Under the UK flag the British murdered people for land, but we don't remove that. The swastika is offensive to me but IMO the swastika is so much worse than the confederate flag.
A proud Zionist very true.
+A proud Zionist that's irrelevant, a specific race was targeted and abuse in mass numbers. Of course it's not an exact comparison but it's to get you you to think.
The first and last people are absolutely right...
Himeros everyone is ignoring the most important aspect of this debate, to whom does this flag belong.cosmofunnel.com/poems/your-x-belongs-me-71284
Kim Solem That is completely irrelevant
Himeros Not to mention ignorant.
Lrdvltr I think that title might belong to you...
Himeros I was talking about Kim Solem's comment.
The first guy who spoke said it all. I'm Portuguese but I myself have a Confederate flag, as I admire the history of the Southern US states. Americans, don't allow your rights to be taken from you in the name of political and social correctness.
Seth Keenan Thank you
- A southern
Seth Keenan It's funny how Portugal isn't held accountable for any of this as they were one of the if not *the* biggest importer of slaves to the Americas.
Mock slowmotion Thank you. Don't listen to leftist nut jobs. They crave attention :))
Seth Keenan Nobody wants to stop people from owning the confederate flag. It's about weather or not the flag should be flown on State property. Did you know that back during the Jim Crow period, a black man could be arrested for not having a job? Yes! It's true! A black man could be walking down the street and stopped and asked if he had a job. If he didn't, they would arrest him, send him to jail, and then the jail would farm him out to various plantations as, you guessed it, slave labor. Back when this institutional racism was happening, the confederate flat was flying over the state capitol in South Carolina. You see the point. Do you get it. The flag has nothing to do with southern heritage. I mean, what does grits and gravy have to do with the flag? What does chicken fried stake have to do with the confederate flag? If you like the flag then fly it out front of your house proudly so everybody will know what you stand for but it should not be on State property.
Seth Keenan Nobody wants to stop people from owning the confederate flag. It's about weather or not the flag should be flown on State property. Did you know that back during the Jim Crow period, a black man could be arrested for not having a job? Yes! It's true! A black man could be walking down the street and stopped and asked if he had a job. If he didn't, they would arrest him, send him to jail, and then the jail would farm him out to various plantations as, you guessed it, slave labor. Back when this institutional racism was happening, the confederate flat was flying over the state capitol in South Carolina. You see the point. Do you get it. The flag has nothing to do with southern heritage. I mean, what does grits and gravy have to do with the flag? What does chicken fried stake have to do with the confederate flag? If you like the flag then fly it out front of your house proudly so everybody will know what you stand for but it should not be on State property.
Doesn't the American flag represent the same thing though?
***** Not to the brainwashed masses. To them the Confederate flag is the only American flag tat slavery was under.
***** Against a different nation. The revolutionaries won the war and formed there own nation. The confederates lost. We are still one nation. They are holding a flag that is against this nation. No its not the same thing.
mary Page What about the war with Mexico, and yet the Mexican/Americans want their flag on public buildings in California above the American one. Didn't Mexico loose the war to us too. Why dose that flag get to fly and not that one. They don't want to put it above the US one.
darb Ro'jam
You can't use logic with liberal hypocrites.
darb Ro'jam Key word they want to. Its not hanging in front of state capitol buildings currently. Not only that but their flag does not represent almost 500 years of oppression upon another race. Don't white wash the civil war as if it wasn't mainly about the abolition of slavery. The real original flag was actually created to announce the south would leave the United States of America to form their own union. To hold the american flag up next to one that was completely against it and wanted to see the union fail is ridiculous and unjustifiable. My American heritage says so.
South Carolina started flying the Confederate flag 97 years after the Civil War during the Civil Rights movement....how ironic
That’s also when many Confederate statues were built. They built them during the Civil Rights era to show Black People “where their place is”
Educate yourself please
@@Michael-qe1xo it’s clear your not educated, I know people who were around to see the statues be built and revealed.
@@biglilstantheslasher7666 they see the statues and complain for something they never went through. Shouldve stayed that way as they were more well mannered and educated
@@Michael-qe1xo in segregated schools they were more educated and well mannered? Maybe they had better manners because if they weren’t subordinate they run the risk of being lynched? No, they hated the statues then, and were too afraid to say something.
The guy at the beginning had a good point.
Edit: Two years later I no longer agree with this statement
the guy made a shit point. there’s other symbols to represent your southern pride and heritage... it’s just an excuse to hide your racism. you can use your state flag. and you can’t just take one part of the flag and say this is what it represents you have to do all
Rohan Khubchandani I actually agree with you now, this was two years ago lol
Swerzye oh sorry lol
Rohan Khubchandani nah it’s good lol I would have said the same thing to past me
thats bull crap
That first southerner said it really well.
slavery wasnt 1%. 1776 gain independent to 1865 civil war end. that alot of year of slavery but if you talking about heritage it is not enough to build one. unless your heritage is about slavery and that your pride then god help you.
@@hungtranphotos People look at it differently.
I mean he wasn't too bad, but slavery contributed more than just 1% of what the south had going on, that was probably their biggest money maker at the time
@@yungussicore1187 part of the problem is, that in the south we are taught that the civil war was about states rights and slavery was just a small part. Until recently, I believed this myself. If you read the letters from each state stating why they were leaving the union, slavery is actually the top issue, but they didn't teach that to us in school down here
@@joeb134 yeah a lot of factor and people way of live. i mean even in the 1970s people still believe in it. it hard to blame people who think that way because their parent, who their parent who their grandparents have taught them that way of life and it hard to go against that ideal. so it up to the person to learn or to out grow the family bad ideas.
1:39 "It's not just about racism."
What she said means it is about racism but there are other aspects to it as well
which is entirely true.
Yeah, and that's the truth. It was also a battle flag to represent the confederate states of America in battle. And for many more things
yes, idiot, because racism and slavery was PART of it, it was included it the whole thing, so the history and heritage it represents is not ONLY about racism, that's what you guys don't get, she explained it to you very well, and you still don't get it, stop being so stupid
The problem is it means different things to different people.
Wow gottem I’m sure you’re the coolest kid at your junior high school
My grandfather flew that flag on his tank in world war two
You’re grandfather is a traitor to this country then
They will never get rid of The Confederate Battle Flag. I'll relate a bit of ancient history. When I was in Vietnam, Confederate flags were everywhere. In fact, they were seen more often than American flags. They were usually flying from truck antennas. Finally, an order came down from I Corps HQ to get rid of those flags ! The Vietnamese were getting confused and didn't know which flag we were fighting under. LOL !
David Clark Wow that's crazy!
David Clark
strange,,never had that issue,,,,,we were fighting the vc,,,
David Clark Its true. We send a lot of our southern inbred yokels to die in wars because they're expendable. Southerners have little to no intellectual capacity, its why they do our dirty work. Red states today are all welfare states. We fund, clothe, feed and take care of you. Just make sure you continue to work in our factories.
ZackM
and its why you see the south becoming more liberal. the old confederate racist bigots are dying off, Texas will become a blue state within the next 10 years. we can move there now because its getting better.
David Clark That flag was also used in World War 2. Plenty of videos here showing it on war planes.
"[the flag means] My heritage." YIKES.
So?
Alex Thot Patrol the flag doesn’t represent biscuits and gravy with a side of grits. The flag represents a nation with slavery as its main economic drive.
Inukai Anji pretty sure that’s outdated. Now it’s just their heritage and where they come from
Outdated? The use of this flag didn't return until the 1950s to protest integration. That's almost 80 years ago, which in the grand scheme of things, is really not that long ago. It does't represent heritage unless by heritage, you mean black subservience.
Inukai Anji you’re last sentence when you said it represents slavery as its main economic drive. THAT’s outdated
Well that first guy is 100% correct.
not 100% honest
+Noah Kunti I'm conflicted about this
you though😂
+Kensley Swift what about me
He seems like a good and honest guy, but his history isn't that good.
Prejudice or pride probably the best answer I've heard. The lady talking about history even though it's negative its history, had a good point.
Yeah my exact thoughts
How can a flag be prejudice when democrats are the people that made slavery.
a surprisingly unbiased video! thanks for being fair.
Che splendida bandiera camerata
No it’s a surprisingly ignorant video Ignoring the fact that this isn’t even the Confederate flag but just a simple battle flag. This flag was repopulated as a symbol for segregation and as a symbol of withe supremacy and the KKK all of that was ignored in that Video so it’s not unbiased but Ignorant and supporting revisionist History
Your profile picture is fascist Italy flag💀💀💀
@@darker4509 bandiera che ha in comune molto con quella rappresentata nel video.
What the first guy said was actually really intelligent and now I can kind of understand confederate sympathizers. Good video
davidroxhard It was cut as F.
davidroxhard What he said was ridiculous because the confederate flag has absolutely nothing to do with South Carolina. The confederate flag is actually the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the other southern states adopted it because Virginia was willing to fight to keep their slaves and the other states jumped on board. That's how this flag got popular throughout the South. So to say this flag is about southern pride is partly right. But they should include the reason for that pride, why they fought, and that was to keep their slaves. Which is, kinda racist.
Really? Sounded like selective memory to me and pretty deluded. wonder if you trying to pretend you ain't already a confederacy sympathiser?
I see where he's coming from, but at the same time he's really playing down the role of slavery in the values of confederacy and the reasons for secession. I mean, the cornerstone speech by the Confederate VP states outright why his party identified with preserving slavery, and stated white supremacy as being a "moral truth" (among many other racist things). He described the preservation of slavery as the main reason for secession in the first place and for that first guy to say that slavery was only "1%" of what the flag represents is quite inaccurate in my opinion.
The first guy knew what he was talking about and I almost completely agree with him.
Yes agree with him highly
So u like slavery
It's part of your history...keep it. The American flag as it stands today is stained with more blood than the confederate flag ever will be, know that. But do we take that down, no...because we need to know our past, all the rights and wrongs that it represents in order for us to guide ourselves towards our future. Just a humble opinion from a Canadian...
Johnny K. We keep the American flag up cuz it represents the 13 colonies and all the United States, as a symbol of when we finally gained freedom from Britain, so you are not 100% correct, that flag stands for the achievement we made uniting our country
Rock Syndicate exactly
Johnny K. Swastikas and anything holocaust related are illegal in Germany. It is history as well. Some history represents oppression and hatred and it should not be showcased with pride as it is very offensive .
Johnny K. There’s a difference between having a confederate flag in your home tohonor your ancestors and having one on US government buildings. Rebellions should not be idolized when they lost and when their cause was widely based on keeping the right to own another person. If we had lost the Revolution do you really think Britain would be flying the Stars and Stripes on its government buildings?
YES
That first guy was completely right
The Confederate flag represents the Confederacy, which was a nation of states that seceded from the United States. They seceded over an unfair taxation issue and the issue of states' rights. The issue of states' rights was kicked off by whether or not states have the right to allow slavery.
There it is. Does the Confederate flag represent slavery or racism? Only partly. It represents a lot more than that. Does the American flag represent racism, genocide, or slavery? Those are parts of our history, but there is a great deal more to American history.
absolutely amazing comment. couldn't agree more!
Long story short, the Confederacy flag stands for rebellion.
Good summary there for both CSA and USA.
Agreed
Yeah man they really did care about states rights. Whats that? Dredd Scott decision? Violated the rights of northern states and southerners were totally down for it?
why do people support a country that died 150 years ago
Wasn't even a country you need to win to be a independent nation it's just a rebellion.
+thomas saucier a rebellion that wanted to be independent and their own government that sounds like a country to me
My man, it's not the country we are supporting, it's the southern pride that the flag represents. All the flags saying is "hey, I'm proud to be a southerner." No racism involved
I disagree. You may not be a racist, some don't even believe it was that big of a deal in the war. However, the flag at the time meant hate, there is a reason the KKK stitch it on there robes. If you're gonna wave a flag, wave the American flag. That has your southern pride in it, it has for a long time, and it will for a lot longer.
beacause its what they and i beleive in.
Texas used to be Mexico I don't see any place in Texas where they have the Mexican flag over the American not even the Texan flag
+frank da tank no state can fly their flag above the American flag. we fly our flag the same height as the American flag though.
In Texas we fly our flag and the US flag next to each other. The Mexican flag is a different country’s flag. Of course it’s below. The confederate flag is different
frank da tank we fly our Texan flag the same as American flag. We love our heritage and our country alike
@@ATX51232 we are the only state that can fly the flag at the same hight as the American flag bc we were once our own country
@@stvincent4506 that's actually not true. Every state can do it
They fly it higher than the American flag smh
In 200years Syria will hand ISIS's flag and say "it's part of our history" 😂😂
That's not heritage its terrorism it's not funny scumbag
American Man the south is a fallen ennemy that betrayed the constitution, you’re the scumbag go learn your history before calling yourself "American Man"
Hao Wei Li do german fly the nazi flag with pride? Were the nazis ennemies of their own regime knowing that they were in power because of democracy? No. That’s totally different, the south betrayed the constitution and were enemies of USA , it is a beaten ennemy.
Hao Wei Li i get what you mean but would you be proud to have a flag representing a fallen ennemy on your yard? I think the only flag you should float is the US flag, Stars and Stripes.
Hao Wei Li
So according to your logic I could fly the swastica in Germany???
If the Confederate flag is racist, then so is the American, British, Butch, French, Egyptian, Spanish, South African, and many many more flags
You can't compare the Confederate flag with those flags hun
He/She just did.
eno c aquaowo That's not the point of my comment.
Cinder Flare Why can’t you?
Brennan Paucke The confederate flag is not a national flag.
Egyptian cotton Confederate flag? Oh the irony😂😂✌
Unfortunately the south fought to keep slavery so... To hell with that flag! Lost the war aka not america
I was born in Mexico and i came to the states at 15 yrs old... im 40 yrs old and being living in Virginia since.... theat flags means southern pride and southern love... i know that cuz southern ppl showed it to me... my wife is from Virginia and so are my kids..I love my Mexican fla and my Southern flag... what other ppl did to represent this flag doesnt make the Southern flag BAD....
That's Southern Belle right there. You got yourself a Southern Belle. Yes you did.
That's why we have the wall right now
Now go to Europe and ask why certain Europeans wave the flag and you'll see what it truly means
That first guy hit the nail on the head. The civil war was as much about states rights as it was slavery
+Micah Banaynay secession
You’re a clown if you think if it was about state rights. They knew their slavery way of life was being threatened when Abe Lincoln was elected president hence they seceded from the country. It was mainly about slavery
@@amritsingh8918 slavery was merely the tip of the iceberg my friend
Slavery was a state right, not to mention the flag most people wave isn’t even actually the confederate flag. It’s a battle flag that the person who designed it said specifically was memorabilia for those defending slavery. The people so proud of their heritage don’t even know it
The Civil War was 100% about slavery. Any good historian can attest to that. If you ask some white southerners what the conflict was about, they answer “states’ rights”. If you ask which rights other than slavery, they have no answer.
0:57 slavery it may be perceived as being just 1 percent of his southern heritage but for black southerns its pretty much the defining factor of those times
When I went to Kansas for a week, I saw TONS of those flags...
Yup! I fly one!! Always have. Because my ancestors, my families blood was spilled in that war?! The why's and what fors?! I could not care less!! War is ugly for whatever damn reason, all I know alot of good men died in both sides!!!
and they aren’t even apart of the south wtf?
Yes, you will see the flag around in the Midwest and elsewhere. I live in NE and they like to put those little flags on their pickup trucks and practically run us off the road. Yes, yes.
what part,not in Hays or Salina,those places treated everyone equal or I would have had a problem living there!!!
@@adriantomlin2902 because it’s very patriotic to leave your country and fight in a war with the country you left.
Flying the confederate flag next the American flag is an oxymoron.
The confederate flag in itself isnt racist, but people who wear it are 99% of the time racist.
U can't take it down its our rights our 1st amendment u can't change history
Not if it's on private property, but if it's on public property the state can absolutely get rid of them.
Clayton Fitzwater well they took it down
so then y is it still flying in South Carolina then tell me
Clayton Fitzwater so why did they take it down
What history
I can see that people like the guy in the beginning of the video just sees it as a part of history rather than focusing on the slavery aspect of it .I’ve seen many people defend it for that reason . I genuinely believe yes there are some people who holds on to the flag because of the reason behind it, and there are those who hold on to it who look past the dark aspect of its history and just sees it as history and their ancestors lived in that time. It’s divided between people who do not intend offense and those who still hold on to it for that reason. It would be like someone owning a lot of Nazi emblems for the sole reason of having a piece of history and not for the reason of supporting that regime .
It’s one thing to own those artifacts for historical reasons and a whole different thing to proudly display those emblems and even selling merchandise with them.
@@davosmando Look. My opinion is that yes at some point it holds a part of southern history and you can look past the dark history of the flag’s meaning. That doesn’t excuse people to become BLIND to what the flag was used for. If people said “it’s southern heritage that was mixed into a bad time in history” would be a better argument than “it wasn’t about slavery.”
No flag is supposed to fly higher than the US flag the flags that are supposed to fly the same are flags of other countries
Wrong, there’s only one flag that should fly higher then the American flag, and that’s the cross flag. We’re one nation under God, the American flag can respectively go under the cross flag.
@@tylerbrinley9829 Nah, Old Glory always goes higher above. Our national flag is higher than all others on this great soil
Thank you for once again proving American flag is the true symbol of fascism.
@Heinrich Himmler I'm from California, and I would have that flag a foot off the ground.
The German soldiers also fought bravely for their country but the swastica is considered a symbol of hatred and not perceived as something to be proud of. The confederate flag is also considered a symbol of hatred and slavery by the majority of Americans
Its funny southerners are proud of a flag that represents a rebellion that LOST the Civil War. Even putting slavery aside that alone is really pathetic to me.
same
+Cooper so ancestors died for the nazi flag does that still make it right to fly?
You don’t get it.
The Confederate battle flag is tied to Southern identity. Once symbols are fused with a culture & people, they become integral to identity.
Humans feel driven to belong & have a sense of identity, especially as part of a community.
Since American identity is disparaged & rendered meaningless (because we’re basically just a global shopping mall now)...people will gravitate towards other forms of identitarianism.
So if anything, Southern identity (& other identities) will grow stronger.
Patrick Kennedy , because you dont live in present reality. Just looking for a fight, one that is 150 years long gone. Any excuse to hate.
Seeing it from that perspective makes me respect it a little more.
"i dont support racism but i support people who does" fooh
@@hungtranphotos You are stupid. That flag wasn't even made to represent racism in the first place. That is a battle flag, specifically for Robert E. LEe. If many war crimes and terrible atrocities were committed during wartime under that flag, then I have a real problem flying it.
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 you right you right it only represent people who support slavery not slavery itself. dumass
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Actually that's the Army of Tennessee flag, the square variant was used by the Army of Northern Virginia, ain't uncommon to confuse them and I can understand why.
@@hungtranphotos The US firebombed Tokyo and bombed civilians in Europe during WWII, are you offended by the US flag? Britain colonized and murdered millions of people around the world, does the Union Jack offend you? Iran violates human rights, does their flag offend you? China is “re-educating” native populations in far west China right now, does their flag offend you? You could find a reason yo hate every flag in the world if you look hard enough. I see the confederate battle flag as a symbol of a region, nothing more. I wouldn’t fly it, but if someone wants to they can
The first guy was a genius. I'm a firm believer that the Confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, nothing more.
Belief is just faith, not the truth
THE FLAG IS HATE AND I STAND ON THAT! IT IS NOT RIGHT, BLACKS WILL GET TREATED BETTER, I PROMISE, IM TRYING TO HELP AS MUCH AS I CAN, BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS HATE, AND I AM SICK OF IT!
The first guy was so right thank you for agreeing with me!! I'm from the south and the confederate flag stands for being proud to be from the south!!! Not slavery
Christian North the confederacy was made up of states that agreed to succeed from the union primarily because of the “moral code” of white supremacy. This was stated word for word by the Vice President of the Confederacy in 1861. You can’t change the meaning of a flag with that kind of origin.
Burn the traitor flag.
I grew up in California in the 70's and we thought of the Confederate Flag as Rebellion , Lynrd Skinyrd, and Southern Rock most of us didn't think of it as slavery.
there are non-white Southerners. How come none of them fly the flag?
Yes!
The dude at 0:25 was the smartest sounding person I have witnessed in all of the vids in South Carolina
Low bar to meet, huh?
@Huh ?The algorithm be like that sometimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The first and last one interviewed only spoke historical facts our history
I think the problem is the KKK used this flag. So people associate it with that kind of person or hatefulness. I think no one would be having these conversations if the KKK never have flown the rebel flag.
Shark HD I’m sure they would . Do you know why ? Because as a standard part of 8th grade everyone had to learn about the Civil War (and events leading up to it that play a huge role in the flag). If the KKK had flown it or not it would still represent the CONFEDERATES, not THE KKK.
This post reminds me of what my dad said to me during my sisters wedding. I was so close to the speakers I couldn't hear what he said.lol
there is a hyperlink in your comment for some reason
Advance the flag of Dixie!!
Burn the traitor flag
Hurrah! Hurrah!
I grew up with that flag flying in my yard. To my dad it's not slavery, it's not history to him, he says it's rebellion.
At least the first guy knew the real meaning of the flag.
What about black peoples heritage in the south
@@thechosenhero8157 many black people fought for the confederacy as well and some black people fly that flag
@@thechosenhero8157 they fly the flag too
0:54 So besides the fact that he's saying the flag barely has anything to do with slavery and hate against African-Amerricans, what else should I know about Southern heritage?
First you need to learn to spell , then you can ask questions.
Give me the definition of heritage.
@@popeyethepirate2902 you can read well enough to understand his question. Nice brain🤣
The first guy is right on
1%???
Right
He didn't stutter
Yeah he said 1% do you need to clean your ears?
Can any of you three who responded to the OP mathematically prove that the flag and Civil War was 1% about slavery?
No. Slavery did have a lot to do with the Civil War in addition to States Rights. Which is a whole other debate. But right now, I’m focusing on the 1% comment. The person interviewed used 1% to minimize and downplay slavery, along with other descriptors to further trivialize slavery. This is a perfect example of rewriting history.
According to the 1860 census, it was actually 1.4% of people were slaveholders. Some were even black.
I personally think that rather than get rid of the flags, just put them in a museum
It's a piece of cloth with colors on it, that's how I view it.
So is the Nazi flag too, does that sit well with you too?
@@svh01 Comparing a confederate war flag that was only used by its Military.
With a flag not only was created by a dictator but was used for almost everything.
Secret police.
Military.
Sports teams.
State flag/coat of arms.
Propaganda.
Pioneers.
Even there silver wear had its parties symbol on it.
And here's were gets interesting, reason why Hitler chose the swastika because it symbolizes good luck.
his hatred of the Jews was most likely a scapegoat to gain support for his global conquest.
So in away the Nazi flag represents a political party that's fueled by mass racism with a mouthed to eradicate anyone wasn't wasn't an Aryan.
@@kaitojordan6669 None of that changes the original point. To say it's a piece of "cloth" is no different than saying the Nazi flag is a piece of cloth. The US flag isn't just a piece of cloth. These are all SYMBOLS that stand for something.
The rebel battle flag is a symbol of a traitorous group of people that attempted to divide and separate from this country. Because of their traitorous act more Americans died than in other war on history. So Southerns who fly the flag claiming it's "heritage" and embracing a traitorous past and a hatred of the US.
I won't even get into how that "battle" flag was adopted by terrorists groups like the KKK (which was formed by former Confederate soldiers) and Neo-Nazi's to keep the "fight alive".
@@svh01 I don't care if somebody has a swastika or a Confederate flag or anything due to the fact that you don't have to pay attention to it look away if it bothers you that much
@@svh01 hold up on the nazi symbol. That symbol means something else in Hinduism. I’m not a Hindu, but seeing it only as the swastika is not fair for the people that follow Hinduism
I can respect the last woman's honesty. She said that flag is not just a symbol of racism, it's a symbol of her heritage. So she isn't dismissing racism nor is she divorcing the act her heritage played in the dehumanization of millions. Why on earth would any decent human being want to be associated with that? Why not choose other things as representation of the part of their heritage they are actually proud of? Why that nasty flag of rebellion against ending slavery and rebellion against being made equal to the Blacks they managed to legally make inferior to themselves, as if such ppl could never be noble and were fit only to be owned beast subdued by the bull whip? Apparently you no other representation for their heritage quit fits. Damn that flag and damn their heritage. Their so called "heritage" they are trying to claim behind this flag awfully ruined the lives of MILLIONS and costed many lives, White, Black Yellow and Brown. Screw them!
Ethan Johnson Dont count just the 4,8 , count their family members, count their chain of supply, count their bankers, and etc, Half of the South whites were very closely tied to slavery including the poor white patrollers that were the watch dogs.England, France and the North realized the evil of slavery, but Dixie was stuck on stupid.
tracy simmons so just trying to get this... are you saying that the 4.8 goes to %50 just like that... what are you thinking...poor whites hated the plantation owners because they were the political elite and there for they had no say so in that government also plantation hands were not poor! moast of the time they were part of the family like a brother,son ect. but i also guess you watch movies like django and think every slave owner was like that.. that is 100% false in fact moats slaves wanted to stay with there masters after the war. and also all the pictures of the slaves are only of the vary few that were abusive slave owners because why would they take a picture of a slave that looked just like every one elts. and i also hope you know that the slaves they got in africa were already prisoners of war by the nomadic tribes there. think of what would have happen to them.if they were not traded... i know slavery is wrong... but the honest answer is that political correctness and liberals have made people believe that this flag is solely hate and every one who has it is a complete racist... that is not true. anyways it is almost useless to debate morels with you because your view point will obviously will not change. witch is crazy because i thought liberals love to accept all view points.
Ethan Johnson Your rebel flag stand for several different things and white supremacy is one of the most know,It might have started as a battle flag, but hate hijacked it a long time ago.You are making a vain attempt at history, but you are getting the wrong version from somewhere. To say most slaves wanted to stay on the plantation is crazy. I have read thousands of slave narratives, and they vary from one to the other. This is how it go, Most were caught off guard by the announcment , and looked at each other in total shock, then they looked at master after he made his sharecropping offer, and said nothing until after he had walked back into the big house, and then they let go of some shouting and dancin' and visiting the next plantation for more dancin' and shoutin. then most were concerened about trying to connect with sons, daughters , mothers or loved ones who had been sold away ..by that good massa of yours , who sold away children because he had took out a loan he could not pay, or some 13 year old girl was sold because Missses knew that Masssa were having too much of that other kind of dark sweet potato pie.Many left not knowing where to go because the had never been nowhere and knew only other plantations, 90 % of all the southern work was plantation based .There wa no factories, wharehouses or welfare.There was only millions of freed black folks who had nothing and knew nothing, no readin , no writin, and only farming skills mostly.Within the first two years after the war , most slaves had left the plantation to other plantations with loved ones or better conditions, do not take my word , read the narratives.And until you understand the brainwashed mental condition of most slaves and the cruel slave system, you will never understand. As far as Africa, that history is to deep for you, , What nomadic tribe are yiou talking about, There is only 2 nomadic tribes out of the hundred differnt nations that arrived here.
Ethan Johnson, you said that slavery was not a good thing but half your paragraph was about your sick delusion that slaves loved creeps who kidnapped, raped, and robbed them of their dignity and called himself their master. Even just the trip across the Atlantic was severely trumatizng. *Imagine having survived the inhumanity it took to cram thousands in to small cramped spaces and lying in weeks upon weeks of yours and your dead neighbor's and urine and feces caked on you. The stinch of death, urine, feces, sweat, menstruated blood clots....ugh! Ppl escaped and jumped to their suicide much like the ppl in the burning Twin Tower buildings did during 911.* You mean to tell me you actually process the fact that these people who had their tongues, lips, limbs, and genitalia chopped off just because they wanted to learn how to read....some being killed just because they wanted to be free, that somehow they really didn't mind??? After having suffered the agony of having children, husbands and wives ripped from them, they just couldn't bare to part from sociopathic thieving, murdering bastards who claimed the rebell flag as a representation of their authority and privlege to own ppl, for nothing more than being White.....slaves enjoyed being slaves??? You are truly delusional. Slavery was not a fairytale story. *Stop minimizing slavery! Your excuses for what your ancestors either did or supported is NOT excusable!*. Either it was wrong or it was right. Pick. That idiot flag symbolizes the oppression of Non-Whites under the authority and supremacy of White people. Period.
tracy simmons i can agree with what you are saying on how the slaves didn't realy know what to do when they were released that is a fact that i left out. but when i first responded i wasent trying to justify slavery i was trying to justify the flag. but you cant say that all slave owners were heartless beast either. i still stick by my first message. but you should not think all the flag stands for is evil because that is bull. anyways... i think it would be an interesting conversation if we ever talk in the real world and not over a youtube video. but for now we will just agree to disagree.
(just saying there were more tribes than 2... this was in the 1700's when the triad started)
well said it's history no matter who you are or where you are from there will always be good and bad
Yeah like what do you think how the Germans feel? BRUH
Most Americans don't like the Confederate flag because it was used as a rebellion in the Civil War or as most Americans says, Pro-Slavery
But let's be honest, if this flag was used during World War 2 to fight the Nazis and the Japanese, people will have no problem about it as they say the same about the Union Jack
well the main problem i have with it is that its the flags of traitors not real Americans
This flag is a symbol of treason and hate. Southerners shouldn't be proud of a dark time In our country's history. They should be ashamed of this flag and the monuments to traitors of our country.
@@matthewbright1939 You're not a real American unless you are a traitor.
That's first guy knows his words and I agree with what he said
Keep the flag up. Heritage, not hate
The first guy new exactly what he was talking about :) I agree 100% even though I prefer the American flag
What?! Literally the flag was created to keep slavery. These confederate people are also the idiots saying “im proud to be an American”, excuse me didn’t the confederacy fight against America to create its own country? Backwards ignorant idiots
@Ryan Forshee I agree with you, the Virginia "battle" flag in my opinion represents one of the many cultures of the United states but never as a sovereign nations flag.
Stars and Stripes first and forever!
@@Therealtuxedo everyone has there own opinions
@@Therealtuxedo That’s not the confederate flag.
We Americans all prefer Old Glory over any other flag
I'm Mexican, i don't know what I'm doing here. This is between the blacks and whites.
I'm Mexican too. What the hell am I doing here?!
+Stewie Griffin You do know that mexican people are white right? I mean are you part amerindian? If you're not that you are a white person, mexican is not a race, that's a nationality.
I mean as a Chicano I’ve seen a lot of people put up pictures of the Aztecs, tattoos of them, the high school near town is even called Aztecs, if we were to look at the history of the Aztecs and the horrible rituals they did i think it’d be worse than the Confederate flag, but Chicanos view it as part of history because Aztecs is where their blood is from
I think over 700 years of human evolution that. 150 years ago humans were more civilized than 700 years ago.
I know this is an old comment but an interesting view. The issue with the confederate flag is the cold hard fact that the southern secession was based on slavery. The lost cause myth can be debunked and there is hard evidence of when it started and the repercussions because of it. I see a lot of people in the comments praise the first guy, but he is very misinformed on southern history.
Now on your point on the Aztecs. This is a case of whataboutism. There is no social issue regarding what the Aztecs did for rituals or economy. There isn’t people today asking Mexico for reparations because they come from tribes conquered or enslaved by the Aztecs. For many Aztec culture is their pride because it is an ancestral history lost because of the Spanish conquest. Maybe those people are misinformed about Aztec history as well.
Personally I won’t get a tattoo of it, but it’s important to remember indigenous history as we know it was lost because of conquest. Two different situations compared to American slavery.
I agree with the first man and I’m black black from the south Louisiana I believe it’s not racist it represents the south
Until people treat other people like human beings, and respect each other's opinions , nothing will change... It's impossible for everybody to like each other, there are just certain things we all feel differently about... Religion, politics, even history... But just because I don't like someone or their views, doesn't mean I can't respect how he or she feels, or we can't get along..
thing is a lot of pepole say that flag is their heritage but the Confederate States of America lasted 4 years. the flag represents a country founded on the idea of keeping slavery alive . it would be like someone flying a nazi flag in Germany because their great grandfather fought for other nazis
also want to note that the confederate flag was never the official flag of the CSA
"Go the victor, go the spoils". Even if it means disinformation.
The first guy said exactly what every real southern person would say. Glad they had some truth here
"Ned, i'm startin' to think maybe history ain't worth defending sometimes" - Jimbo from "South Park"
Mmm okay
The confederate flag belongs in a museum, not in public
Museum are public places though.
@@bustybonnie6700 don't you have to pay to go into most museums
Joel is rocking a Clemson visor. Joel is good people.
this is a very well put together idea/video. its not just completely one-sided
It is one sided tho, are you racist, or not? The flag has always represented hate and racism. Ppl like the daughters of the confederacy tried to change that meaning. It’s like trying to change the German nazi flag, you can’t do that…
@@isaiahcarter8848 nah dude you don’t get it’s about the south man you don’t have to respect it disagree that’s fine but we have a right to fly it
@Jack Walsh your right to freedom of expression doesn’t excuse you from the social consequences of flying a racist flag. The only heritage the flag holds is white supremacy and treason
@@isaiahcarter8848 Give me a break. It's not hateful. Now, if you want hateful, look at the swaistki (Nazi) flag. That was a hateful flag.
@@matthewjahnke6956 it’s funny cuz a ton of neo nazis fly the confederate flag too☠️☠️
I love how they say it represents their heritage.... But we don't see people hanging nazi flags everywhere... is that suppose to represent German culture?
Beating up that old flag ..Grow up ..Did it ever fly on a slave ship?
Robert Diehl yes
lol slavery was everywhere, uk, netherlands, spain, france everywhere and they only complain about south flag being racist.
Corruption is Key NOPE it never did but US flags were used regularly
Robert Diehl FALSE. You weren't there so you have no real proof.
The Rebel flag wasnt even around during the slave ship days. It never flew until the Civil War & only 4 years. The Stars & Stripes flew over the slave ships.
I'm not sure as I'm not from America. Some say it's about heritage and slavery has a small part to do with its history, others say it's like the Nazi flag and needs to banned. All I got to say is I find it to be an interesting flag, makes me think of proud, white southerners.
Makes me think of proud southerners in general
You have to be really short on heritage to think that so strongly.
Just to get this in here, Slaves weren't the only issue we were fighting about. Southerners didn't want to pay these unfair taxes that benefited the North more than it did to the South. Lincoln thought of letting the CSA go peacefully, but then he remembered "Who would pay for the government?"
People comparing this with people waving the natzi flag. The Confederate Flag is a representation of Southern states, not a Natzi doctrine.
Nazi*
What's a Natzi?
wait!? Did that guy just say slavery was 1%?
So the southern flag represents the heritage of the south.....the culture of the south.....the history of the south......which was cotton and slavery???
? Explain
Well not alot of people had slaves
The civil war was not about slavery
Icybubba it was about the country being together. But lincoln made it about slavery to get more soldiers and the south could lose money.
Nice to see what a southern education gets you. This guy ^
The flag represents the history of blood and humans exploitation. That's your history.
I thought the first guy had a good point.
It is a symbol of hate for the uneducated.
All about heritage, not hate.
Most of the haters no ZERO about the war between the north and the south.
_"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest of the world."_ - Mississippi Declaration of Secession
It is a symbol of hate for the uneducated. All about heritage. Not hate. Most of the haters know ZERO about the war between the world and the Nazis.
born and raised in south carolina and proud of my heritage
Yeah, the confederacy practiced slavery. What country that has been around for hundreds of years HASN'T? Mexico practiced slavery too.
Does that make the Mexican flag a symbol of slavery?
The mexican flag was created at the beginning of their independence from Spain. They were also gradually abolishing slavery during this time.
It makes the mexican flag a symbol of freedom (from slavery) and independence. Certainly incomparable with the confederate flag.
Why would you be proud of a heritage that fought to keep slavery?
I loved how that lady at the end answered .
A genuine question: what heritage? I'm asking to better understand a point of view, and I want to know what "heritage" are these people talking about? The heritage was built up by and around the owning of slaves, was it not? Therefore, what heritage are they talking about that "isn't all bad"? Gravy and biscuits?
We cannot be called a great country if there are people still supporting the confederate flag
That first guy spit facts mad respect for that man
What I don't fucking get is why people are saying the flag is not racist buT THE FUCKING PEOPLE WHO MADE THE FLAG SAID IT WAS RACIST THEMSELVES????? cAN YOU GUYS "debunk" THAT 4 me?
+Bow down to Anna Conda The flag has gone through few changes and has represented several Southern States, armies, the South, and an idea. Who exactly made it, when and where did they say they made this particular flag as a symbol of racism? And just out of curiosity, do you wear or support any symbols of racism?
Nah
Nah? Is that no to he question of you knowing exactly who made the flag, when it was made and where a quote may be found by said people of him/her/them stating it was made as a symbol of racism. Of no that you do not have or support any symbols of racism, which I would say thank you for making my point for me. As you clearly believe you get to decide if any symbol of any cutler or cause is one of racism or not. In which case I would say you are right and that it should not be up for the viewer or the offended to dictated the meaning of a symbol.
However, I assume you don't see it that way. I tend to believe that you are one who thinks you have no symbols of racism nor do you support any thing that others might view as racist. Yet you likely feel perfectly comfortable dictating to others what their symbols mean, and would have no problem with other people being forced into compliance with your way of thinking.
I was saying nah to the question dude
Still confused. There were two questions in the first response to you, which were you responding to? or is no the answer to both?
keep it flying baby!
"Heritage OF Hate!
Lying for what? Whats its purpose? Who's taking what from yall i need facts not ignorance
The flag wasn’t meant to insult African Americans and such it is the South’s heritage. Our pride, our loyalty, and trust in one another. I swear if one more person say that flag stands for racism I’m going to snap.
Can I fly a nazi flag I mean come on you said its heritage