Festool TS 55 F First Look
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- In this video I will be giving you a first look to Festool's newest track saw, the TS 55 F. The newly redesigned track saw delivers excellent work results and a top-class sawing system. New, ultra-thin saw blades drive faster work and the perfect cuts. Additionally, I will be showcasing the updated set of guide rails and angle stop accessories to create a complete system that drives the best cut performance.
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Good video, have watched like 4 reviews of the new track accessory kit and this was the first one that actually installed and tightened the track connectors in the right order.
Glad you found it helpful
Great video, and great product! This is why I love Festool! I’ve just ordered one of these sets and the extension after watching this video in the UK 👍🏻👌🏻
Glad you found it helpful
My TS55 is on order and should arrive this month. I can’t wait 😛.
Thanks for the video. That was the most informative one I have seen yet on the new Festool items. It helped me to decide which ones I want to add to my shop. Keep up the go I d work.
Glad you found it helpful
The built in benchdog functionality with an MFT is genius! Thanks JB!👍🏻👍🏻
You’re welcome buddy
Thank you for your video! As always, your videos are super informative! 👍👍👍
Glad you found it helpful
Preordered this saw, can’t wait to get my hands on it!
Nice!
I'm glad i've held off until now! Great features to add
I've been deliberating over what rail square to buy and I didn't know about the extension bar and adjustable stop for this product and that's just sold it for me. thanks for the review from over here in Scotland.
Glad you found it helpful
I can't wait to get my pre order!!!😘
Cool review. Festool is unfortunately still a bit out of my budget, but I'm saving and looking for marketplace deals. It was a pleasure talking with you at WBC. You area very cool and humble guy.
Great talking with you as well!!
I was so worried when you posted this. I had just got the ts55-keb based on your recommendation. And my initial thought was I acted too soon and they came out with something even better! While this is a great saw in this video, I feel relieved knowing it’s basically the corded version. Which I’m sure might cut faster, but I’m glad I got the battery powered
The purpose of this video was just to show you new products coming out from Festool. Not to make you regret buying another Festool 🤣
@@bentswoodworking I’ve been having issues with my makita tracksaw not cutting straight it’s not really made to adjust toe in, track cams not staying tight and now with very little use they have a flat spot worn in already 🙄 the makita tracks are straight but I have to adjust cams on every track because the are all sized different between batches ! it’s time for a upgrade so any conclusions now on cordless anti kick back or riving knife with thin kerf looks like that’s all that’s available now is thin kerf saws
This Festool rail square is surprisingly affordable. The kit is only a bit more expensive than a TSO square.
the TSO kit doesn't allow you to make repeated angled cuts. For a project with our travel van, this feature is useful for making cabinetry that requires special angles to fit the angles of the van interior.
I can’t wait for you to make a video in the future for a TSC75. Hopefully they will come out with a new one in the near future.
That would be interesting
Sawyer Design posted a review the other day on the TS 55F that's also worth watching.
Just got the festool angle square a few days ago probably be ok for angle cuts ,you can't beat the tso parallel edge rail square for 100% Square cuts with confidence, any thing adjustable will need adjustment. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Some constructive criticism… If you can start doing more closeups in your videos that would be great! You tend to talk about buttons and features and things but from more like 6ft away. You started doing some around the 9:30 mark so good job there. Otherwise great job brother!
Hi Jason, FEBQ model launched in the UK last year and it's been a joy to use. It's worth saying perhaps is that it doesn't push the Festool TS 55 corded saw format forward much, and is is outclassed by the R series battery version which has the kickback tech embedded. I do like the thinner kerf blade which is long overdue.
The thinner kerf blade is definitely huge
@@bentswoodworking don't you mean the kerf is small? 😅
The new tracks are interesting to me since I just switched to side-by-side MFT table setup and might want to get another 1400. Though to be fair I just got the DashBoard and it's not nearly so difficult if I want to remove the track and put it back on and trust that it's true. I'm very pleased with that. (Go watch the Bent's "The ULTIMATE Assembly Table" video if you need to know more. They're a tiny company and it may take a couple months but it's soooooo worth it.)
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The new rail square seems like a pretty decent option as well with the single bar parallel guide. It also looks hugely lighter than the two side option Festool had (ignoring the rebranded TSO square).
I don't have much luck with standard two bar parallel guides. They feel like a lot of work for little benefit.
Maybe I'm just terrible with the parallel guides. Tools take practice. But if the rail square/material is actually true, referencing on one side only seems like it would produce the same result as having an extra reference in the middle.
I was just looking for it a week ago, and the accessories are sold out. I guess that i'll have to wait. LOL
Just a heads up, the TS55F was shipping for a few months before the official announcement. So if you're like me and bought it around November, and you have the 1.8mm kerf blade, you have this new one before it was announced. TS55REQ-F-Plus
Tracks was is a really versatile tool
When they were designing a new guide rail I wish they had made it like the Bosch and Mafel rails with the same style of connecting plate but maybe the new connector bars do a good job of straightening the rails
That is the biggest reason for the change
Very nice review Jason, very much appreciate it. Have you heard if they also plan on replacing the TS 75 saw (or start making the old one again)? I’m in the market for the track saw but was hoping to get that increased cut depth.
I don’t have any insight on plans for a newer 75
Between Festool's new angle stop with the extension and the TSO parallel guides, which do you think you'd recommend for repeated cuts? or might you suggest both?
Hey Jason,
Another great and informative video as always. I really appreciate the detail and clear demonstrations you provide in all of your content. Do you think it's worth looking into a 1.8mm blade for the TS75 for the same benefits as described at the beginning of the vid? Also, do you think all of the features of the rail square make it a better/worse option then the TSO parallel guide system?
Thanks and keep up the great work.
Well you would have an issue trying to use 1.8mm blades on a 75 because the riving knife will still be 2.2 mm
@@bentswoodworking Is it possible to swap out the riving knife, too?
Thanks Jason. Great info. I was surprised that the Festool teaser videos about this new saw this week had next to no information in them, but thanks to your video I have a much better idea now about the changes. Is the cut quality with this new thin kerf blade just as good? Reason that I ask is one of the Festool videos from this week showed some substantial saw marks left at the end of a cut where it was zoomed in on. I was surprised to see this...
I have noticed no difference with the quality of cut other than it cutting faster
@@bentswoodworking Hi Jason. Thank you for making this video. I would like to follow up on RF Guy's question. You have said that there is no difference in cut quality between the 2.2mm and 1.8mm blades. In the time you have used the thinner kerf blades, do you see any negatives when using the thin kerf blades compared to the 2.2mm blades?
Thanks a lot Jason🙄. Now my wife is really gonna hate me when this is released💰😵
Sorry 🤦🏼♂️
Thanks for the overview Jason.
Unfortunately I iterally just took delivery of a TS 55 REQ the day before festool announced this one. 😞
So now I'm having to go through the return process so I can get the new version. It's been relatively trouble free, and no cost out of pocket, but I called festool the day I ordered my saw and they made no mention of the new model being announced the next day. Very disappointed in festool over this.
You probably got the TS55REQ-F-Plus which is identical to the saw in this video. They started phasing them in quietly before making the announcement with a new model number. They have the 1.8mm blade and riving knife from the factory.
@@LukePighetti I didn't, sadly. The blade and riving knife on the one I'm sending back are both 2.2mm.
Well at least it wasn’t a terribly difficult process. You will like the saw and it will be worth it.
@@bentswoodworking Oh yeah, I can't wait to get the new saw. The first project It'll be used for is cutting down a couple of hardwood slab desktops. I ordered the rip blade and the universal blade as well.
My disappointment comes from not a single mention of the new saw coming out, which would have benefited festool, because they're footing the bill on the return that wouldn't have been needed had they given me a simple heads up.
Still, very excited to get it. 🙂
Great video! Does the guide rail square work with the milwaukee rails?
No problems with blade flutter with the thin saw blade ?🤔🙄
No
Hey Jason, I appreciate the informative video. Do you know if the new track still works with the Festool router setup for cutting dados?
The track works exactly the same so yes. Just has the added slots. LR 32 you need to have the LR 32 rail
It's all good new & improved stuff, and I appreciate that, but I'd have been even happier if Festool had announced they'd finally changed to a descent adhesive for their plastic guide rail splinter guards. I'm really tried of having to replace them with black ones from the turquoise-colored-tool company. Unlike Festool's, theirs seem to have no problem with coming loose.
huh, I don't have that issue at all. Replaced mine about 8 months ago with the festool stuff and it just sticks. Maybe better clean your rail before applying?
They should copy mafell, and change to a slide in thicker splinter guard. The mafell track joining bar is 100 times better as well.
If you had to choose for a starting woodworker to buy this kit or the saw stop portable table saw (because they are similar in price) what would you buy if you were to only have one in your shop
Hi Jason,
Very interesting video. After your review of the new battery powered TSC I had decided to go that route. Now I am thinking more about the new 55F. I am in shop based so the battery option is not as big to me. In your TSC video, I believe you mentioned you would be going to the TSC full time by replacing the other. Is that still your plan or has this new saw changed your thoughts?
Thanks, James
I still love my TSC. But it’s nice that the have a corded option now with the same great blade. I will probably keep a ripping blade in the corded and a crosscut blade in the cordless
Any word on whether there will be a kit to retrofit an existing TS55 to use the new 1.8 mm blade and riving knife?
I haven’t heard anything like that
Do you plan a review/comparison video of the new rail square vs your Dashboard setup? I have ordered the Dashboard but it is on back order until April. It would be interesting to see if this new setup from Festool would suit my needs. My process is similar to yours in that I make my final cut(s) on the table saw. I seldom have a need for angle cuts-perfect square is more important-but having the ability to cut an angle could be useful.
I do not because the two things don’t really relate to each other. My crosscut setup is very different than using a track square.
Very informative video, thank you. What is the brand of your measuring tape?
Fast cap
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. Clear, concise, and to the point. I bought TSC55KEB this winter but have yet to try it. One question: why do the new guide rails appear to be so much cheaper? Not something I would really expect. Is there a catch?
No. The new rails are great too cause they have some cool new features
@@bentswoodworkingHi, is the new track compatible with
TSC 55 KEB do you know
@@monk1100 yes
Thanks for the overview! Did they give you any reason why they went with riving knife vs. the new anti kickback on the cordless version?
No they did not.
It's because the technology in the cordless relies on the brushless motor technology, and for some reason they are not interested in updating their corded tools to be brushless. They should. A brushless rotex, track saw, domino 500, would all be amazing.
Hey Jason. I'm trying to find out if the kit will include the track with the holes for carrying or just the standard track. Any chance you have the part number for the track with the 3 holes
Here is a direct link to the new products that are coming out and you will be able to find all that info there. 👍 www.festoolusa.com/products/new-tools
So will you be keeping your TSC 55K or the new TS 55F? I originally wanted a plug in model but they didn’t have the F out in the states. Now I don’t know if I would give up the ability to size some sheet goods at the lumber yard with my 55K
I’ll be keeping both.
Great review Jason. While the old corded TS55 was always described as underpowered relative to what the batteries could deliver is your sense that the difference was really just the kerf difference? ie. truly comparable performance now between corded and non?
Yes, the thinner blades made a world of difference
Hey Brent, thanks for the video. The information on all the new accessories was really useful and interesting. However, not sure if I missed something but what are all the new features of their new track saw, aside from it just using a thinner blade which you could already use on the existing track saw? (It’s the same width as the Mafell / Bosch by the way). Did you cover those features or did I just miss it?
Using the thinner blade on the existing saw would present a problem because the riving knife is still 2.2 mm. The thinner blade and riving knife is the update.
@@bentswoodworking Ah, I hadn’t thought of that - I mistakenly thought you had said you had been using thinner blades on your existing saw for a while. Out of curiosity how accurate do you think the new variable angle Festool FS-WA angle stop for your track is as compared to either the Festool FS-WA/90 or TSO track squares are? Was really taken with the idea of their new design for the flexibility it brings (especially with the extension to increase the reference surface) and have seen one here for a good price, though let’s face it 95%+ of the time most of us will only need square cuts. So would be interesting to know if this is a compromise on accuracy especially over say a cut on a full length 8x4 sheet compared to a rail square? Would make a good, short video if you are up for doing a comparison? 👍
@@stephendixon8575 Ya, I am interested in the accuracy also. Square cuts are all I am interested in.
How much of t hat stuff will work on the existing TS-55? I am guessing the bulk of it will? Can we purchase the new riving knife for the older saw?
IOW, I might purchase new accessories, but I ain't buying a new saw.
Thank you!
All the accessories will work on anything else
I just got this and it is great. The only thing that was disappointed with was that the power cables from my other Festool tools (Domino, Sander, etc) doesn't fit. The connector is slightly different.
How does this saw compare to the current cordless version? I'm in the market for a festool track saw, I saw that you highly recommend the cordless one. Some say that the cordless version performs better than the corded version.
The cordless did preform better cause it has a thinner blade. Now this new one has the same blades. It comes down more to do you want corded or cordless
I have a TS-75 currently, but considering a smaller saw for daily / smaller cuts. Will this be made as a cordless saw?
It was last year. The TSC 55 K
Can you give some pros and cons on the festool rail and extension vs tso set up. Obviously the full tso would give more parrellel cuts but would the portability of tge festool be worth it.
The festool wouldn’t be any more portable. The extension wouldn’t hit in a Systainer either
I am wondering if I can order parts and retrofit a TS 55 R to work with thin blades? Is there any difference other than the blade and the riving knife? Not sure why it took Festool so long to move to thin kerf blades...
I am not aware of that will be an option
So Festool is copying Mafell/Bosch with the 1.8mm blade and self aligning bars?
Already have ts 55 .Will I be able to just buy some sort of upgrade kit with 1.8mm riving knife and new blade? Wonder if it work properly if I just get new thinner 1.8mm blade. Any thoughts?
I don’t know if there is any plan to be able to retrofit an older saw. My assumption is no
I find narrow kerf blades have a tendency to deflect if one is taking a thin sliver off the edge of a board. I actually prefer a 2.2mm blade in my 36V brushless Makita track saw, 👍🔨🇮🇪
Me too. Check out Tenryu. They have thicker plate than most
Jason, I was late to the party on this one. good review. quick question. How does the new angle stop accessory compare with their old? Perhaps another shootout on the horizon between the New, the Old and the TSO? I have the TSO and love it. But it cant do anything other than 90 degree angles
Hard to say as I just got it.
@@bentswoodworking thats about as ambiguous as you can get! You should get into politics!
I know that you're a big fan of the TSO square; does this new Festool square take first place now or do you still favor TSO?
I can’t say, I just got it. If I needed to cut angles I would absolutely reach for this
Can older TS 55 models be retrofitted with the new blades and riving knife to match, or is there something preventing that?
That I don’t know
@@bentswoodworking No problem. The video was super informative, and the saw didn't seem much different, so I thought it was worth putting out there. Maybe Festool will put out some info on retro possibilities.
Where would be a good place to sell one’s gently used Festool tools? Have you had any experience selling any of the tools you either don’t get much use out of or just want to upgrade to a newer tool? Any advice from your previous experiences would really be appreciated. Thanks.
Festoolrecon.com, festool owners group classifieds, and Facebook marketplace
Isn't this adapter a little bit wooble 7:14 looks like bended?
In your video comparing the previous TS55 and TS75, your conclusion was you would choose the 75 if you had to do it over again. Ignoring the extra cut capacity of the TS75, do you think this new TS55 F would change that decision? Could the thinner kerf cut 8/4 walnut in a single pass?
I think you meant to say my conclusion was the 55. And yes! I cut through 8/4 bubinga in this video in a single pass and it is way harder than walnut
@@bentswoodworking I just saw the video where you compared the TS55 and TS75. Like Matt said, you did indeed conclude that you would get the TS75 if you could only buy 1! You said you’d rather buy the tool that does more vs not enough.
Any idea if the TS75 will follow suit with thinner kerf blades?
Great videos-I’m enjoying your comparisons and workshop set up. Subscribing….
I’ve owned a great many festool items I love their products but why don’t they have a protective case for the straight edges I had one made for mine a little over 8’ long that could be locked and cabled to a gang box on site they make good tools but they need to offer site protection
Will you be using the Festool Rail Square or the TSO going forward? If you have a Festool Dust Extractor is there and real reason to go cordless with the Festool Tracksaw?
Just depends on the situation, both work well and get the job done. I'm a little more inclined with the TSO, but that's just a personal preference. There's never a wrong reason to go with a dust extractor. The bag on the TSC fills up quickly, so unless you want to empty it often - best to go with a dust extractor.
How is this at cutting perfect 45 degree bevel cuts
Does the TS55 F works with 165mm blades?
[❓] - Would you be able to do a comparison of the TSC 55 and this new TS 55 FEQ saws? For instance, Is the corded version significantly lighter? Do you see any perceptible difference in power? Thanks for the informative video Jason!
That will definitely be a video I add to the list. Good suggestion
Plus a mortgage to buy one. Same great feature. Lol
Does your new TS55 rattle upon startup?
Hi will this new guide work on older tracks or just the new one??
The tracks are no different. Just some new useful features
Anyone compared this to the Mafell yet - it uses thinner kerf blades but never thermals out.
Where does this track square fall in comparison of the others you've tried?
It’s hard to say yet since I just received it. It’s a very nice square and if you want to use it for angled cuts, this is one of only 2 options.
F stands for Fresh? Great video!
Glad you found it helpful
You said you’d been using the new thin kerf blades for a while. Was that in your old TS55, or did you have the new saw, too? (Really, the question is, can I just buy one of the new blades, and a replacement riving knife, and use that with my old saw?)
You demonstrated that you were using your old rails with the new alignment bars. So, the new bars will work with old rails? How about the reverse? (Again, a compatibility question.)
What about new new adjustable rail square? Can I use that with my old rails?
This is the second or third video about the new TS55 F that I’ve watched where no one comes out and explicitly says, “The rail profile design is unchanged, and your old rails work with the new saw and all of the new rail accessories. Your old saw works with all the new things, too. We got you.” That would be nice to hear someone say, even though it seems certain to be true.
The rail profile is unchanged. The connectors work in all of them. I used the thin kerf blades cause that’s what the cordless saw uses. And I doubt you will be able to retro fit and older saw.
I'd still go with Mafell.
How does the rail connectors compare to tso? The set up seems very similar
Hard to say as I have just gotten these.
Nice video. Do you use Festool Precisio table saw?
I do not cause the table saws are not available in the US
@@bentswoodworking better... It's not worth the money
Which saw do you like or should I say use more, this one or their cordless version?
I just got this saw so I have definitely used the cordless more
I feel like this was more of a response to people complaining about low power.
I don’t feel like my ts55req lacks power, but I don’t buy that it’s still cutting dead straight. I have 5 different saws and every single one cuts worse with the thinner blade.
Does the hose guide work on the Makita track?
Not sure
Have you tried any aftermarket blades with this version saw yet?
Yes I have. Been trying some Tenryu blades for a while now. Very nice.
@@bentswoodworking Ah okay.. I have only found the ones from Key Blades that you've used on your older TS 55. Do you like the Tenryu blades better than the Festool or Key blades?
Can someone tell me what is the difference between Feq-f and Febq?
Love your channel. You do a great job explaining tool features. Hey… since you get all this cool new stuff, maybe you could send me your outdated Festool saw. I can’t afford one, but still drool when I see it in use. (I would be willing to pay shipping. 😉)
I don’t have an outdated one to send. I sold my old 55 and 75 when I got the cordless last year
@@bentswoodworking Dang! Oh well! It was worth a shot! Keep me in mind. 😀
I'm confused. I just got the TS 55 KEB. The unit says KEB on it, but the box says KEB F. You guys are saying this is a "new product", but hasn't this been out since last year?
Do you mean the TSC 55 KEB which is the cordless model? The cordless tracksaw (TSC) with the new blades and anti kickback feature came out in the USA first (last year I think). The corded tracksaw with the new blades is just coming out in the USA this month.
The TSC 55 K came out last year. Cordless. This is the TSC 55 F. Corded
@@bentswoodworking it's weird as my box says f on it but it's cordless..
The Bosch guide rail joining system is still quicker and simpler.
Does the saw have a powerfuller motor as the old ts55rebq
It’s the same motor
@@bentswoodworking just thinner kerf blades whats the improvements other than that
@@khansk36 That's mainly it... a 50% increase in performance is HUGE.
@@quiltedbyhanna is that due to kerf of blade and teeth or power of motor
Does anyone know if this track square fits the Makita rails?
Not sure
@@bentswoodworking I doubt it because the hooks on the Festool would interfere with the little protrusion on the Makita rail (it's part of Makita's anti-kickback feature)
Damn they really do think of everything. No wonder their products cost the earth.
Note: I upgraded to 48T Oshlun blade before I made a cut ruclips.net/user/postUgkxvWxw4589nheZ_QlYwqaZpnQExQfvjV4_ This said, when combined with the Powertec 71153 track, the cut was glass-smooth and as straight as an arrow with no tear out! I was dubious about the kick-back preventer as it is a very simple, plastic device; but, it worked perfectly and is very easy to disengage when necessary. Simple and functional is often the best way of doing anything! Festool can keep its over-priced TS-55 and TS-75! Who needs such a pricey tool when an inexpensive, simple one does the job?! Very pleased! DFYNT Dtrain - RUclips www.youtube.com
Will this fit on the makita track ??
Nothing has changed with the rail alignment so I assume it will but I don’t have first hand knowledge
@@bentswoodworking Awesome news. I was looking at the Woodpecker BangGood knockoff but for a little more i'll just go this route
You left out the most important detail for any tool. The price?!
I bet a sliding table saw would be cheaper
not available for USA 😥
They released all this in the us like a week ago, hence why he is reviewing it
It comes out at the end of the month
So I have the Makita corded track saw , my partner has the Festool corded track saw, ( Same compatible track), My Makita cuts with a thin kerf blade, and is every bit as good as the Festool for a couple of hundred less, there's simply no way to reconcile Festool's prices, Bosch, and Makita offer much better bang for the buck and deliver quailty tools
Thin kerf blades give you the illusion that you have a strong motor. A thin kerf blade lowers the resistance of the blade during the cut and produces much less strain on the motor. The tradeoff is thin kerf blades will dull faster and you can not send them off to resharpen.
𝕡𝕣𝕠𝕞𝕠𝕤𝕞 🍀
New blades too thin to sharpen
When your entire work bench is stocked with Festool products, I’m doubting you can give a bias opinion. Next…..
I will NOT buy another Festool product. I invested heavily in the Vac Sys clamping system, and they discontinued it. I customized my operations and my main bench for this system. This is the answer I received from Festool. "Due to continued supply chain pressure, Festool is permanently phasing out the Vacuum Clamping category." I had follow-up questions and to this date they refuse to answer. NOT the customer service I expect from Festool. They apparently just want me to accept and go away!
Sorry you had a bad experience
Good info to know!! Thank you for sharing and it is definitely worth knowing when your considering investing in someone’s product line and “investing” is exactly what it is because of the membership cost we all have to fork out to be part of the family.
I don’t mind paying for quality at all but I do expect more from that quality than I do from dewalt or Milwaukee etc.
I’ve really been wanting to add some of these tools and will take this into consideration.I appreciate it very much brother!! Stay safe out there!!
@@bentswoodworking You are one of the reasons I invested in the system. It has changed my workflow. It was innovative and to me solves all the problems of the other systems. You featured the system is a video about 2 years ago. Discontinuing a line and NOT answering my follow-up questions about supporting the future of my system is not a bad experience, it is a reason to walk away.
@@1982MCI Thank you! Membership IS expensive with the Festool line. I have lots of Festool in my shop and spent THOUSANDS of dollars on the Vac System and it is now discontinued! I asked Festool to sell the line to someone else, no response! As well as no response to other questions about how they will or will not support Vac Sys owners.
@@slhasebroock thing is tho that membership is worth every penny if you get the entire system which is tool PLUS support. I’m sure you paid full price but now you only have half the tool! That ain’t right in my book and is definitely worth considering when looking at other possible purchases.
Thank you brother again!! Take care and I hope somehow something will work out for ya. What state are you in by the way?