Why You Need To Understand Tonal Harmony

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 7 лет назад +19

    The main reason for using SATB counterpoint is to maintain independence and interest in each line of music.

    • @gr500music6
      @gr500music6 7 лет назад +7

      Agree totally. There's nothing that inherently sounds bad about, say, parallel fifths. Or crossing lines. And where would Wes Montgomery have been without parallel octaves? The SATB "rules" were mainly focused on avoiding things that might blur the independence of the parts.

    • @unknowninfinium4353
      @unknowninfinium4353 3 года назад

      I know this is late but by satb counterpoint you mean satb in general right?
      Like why learn satb in general right? I loved your answer and needed more context.
      Honestly I do not want to go through an hour of a video to know why i should learn it or a waste of time.

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 3 года назад

      @@unknowninfinium4353 Yes, SATB in general. The "rules" i.e. guidelines are there to avoid things like parallel movement of voices, etc., which weakens the lines/voices. Now, that is not to say parallel movement is bad, as it can be very useful in creating certain types of harmonies and interesting effects. It's just in the context of a certain type of "counterpoint" (particularly from the Baroque era) independence of lines is highly valued. This is often referred to as "contrary motion," one voice moves up while another moves down. I think every minute you spend watching and learning from Rick Beato is time well spent. He is a rare type of genius who can do what he says, communicate and demonstrate it, and has a unique and deep insight into the workings of Western music.

    • @unknowninfinium4353
      @unknowninfinium4353 3 года назад +1

      @@picksalot1 Thank you. I appreciate it. Have a great day.

  • @FerretPercussion
    @FerretPercussion 7 лет назад +10

    Just curious, have you ever thought about hooking up with Khan Academy or something and creating theory courses w/ quizzes+worksheets?

  • @Tim-Sherer
    @Tim-Sherer 7 лет назад +8

    Glenn Gould really caught my attention when he mentioned Bach was one of music's greatest non-conformists, but in a backward sense. While his contemporaries were moving away from 'lifeless' (my own description) church music, he further explored what complexities it could yield. I'd be interested to hear EDM applied with these principles. I would have posted the URL but I didn't want to unintentionally flag your video! Great live stream.

  • @TLMuse
    @TLMuse 7 лет назад +1

    Rick, re: NYC: I'm from upstate, but will be in NYC this weekend for the AES meeting. They hold it there every two years in October. If you're still doing this in two years, maybe consider scheduling a visit around the meeting.

  • @ngat0ry508
    @ngat0ry508 7 лет назад +4

    This is the type of stuff that I'm really interested in. When I first started music, I learned fugue and that led me to purchasing Fux's lessons of Counterpoint in the book, "The Study of Counterpoint." I dove head in and was extremely confused, especially since the teaching methods were a bit dated for someone in the 21st century to pick up without having a foundation of knowledge on theory. It's also coincidental since I've been thinking about revisiting Counterpoint as I'm a bit older now. Thank you!

    • @bronktug2446
      @bronktug2446 6 лет назад

      NΞGAT0RY can you recommend any other sources?

  • @racejones8784
    @racejones8784 7 лет назад

    I never thought about the overtone series implications of using the 6th in a melody. Good point.

  • @CrzyZeke
    @CrzyZeke 7 лет назад

    love your channel! I like learning the rules. The rules make sense. And you can go by the rules to make something great. But the greatest will break those rules in order to get their point across. So keep talking about the rules, and everyone creative, keep breaking them. Says an old school writer and blues listener

  • @avelasole
    @avelasole 7 лет назад +1

    6th in melody going down to 5th as you demonstrated: beginning of Irving Berlin's "Cheek to Cheek"

  • @MrKeithterrett
    @MrKeithterrett 2 года назад

    Glenn Gould & Russell Oberlin: Bach Cantata BWV 54/Widerstehe doch der Sünde (Just resist sin),BWV 54

  • @AuthenticSound
    @AuthenticSound 7 лет назад

    Very impressive to hear how well you're embedded in the history of music! Glad I found your channel!

  • @corystajduhar
    @corystajduhar 7 лет назад

    When you played the 6th over the A triad, I heard the 6th in the song "The Way We Were." There are nice songs that use the 6th over a simple triad.

  • @n7275
    @n7275 7 лет назад +2

    Can you please make a video of you playing the pump organ. Those things are so cool.

  • @guitarjonn7103
    @guitarjonn7103 7 лет назад

    Rick I'd love to come see you if your in NYC. Look fwd to hearing more about it.

  • @drummerjeroensimons
    @drummerjeroensimons 7 лет назад +1

    I saw your channel growing the last few months, congrats man!! You deserve by your effort and wisdom...:)

  • @BlindEyeJones
    @BlindEyeJones 7 лет назад

    Some people will argue that the tritone is the farthest note away, others will argue that 2 notes in the V chord are the farthest away (B & F in the V of C) and their tension resolves into the I chord. I argue that there is no note that is farthest away because all notes contain all notes and the problem is just about hearing it, i.e., if you have the sensitivity of a dog's ear. Bach smoked a lot of tobacco and drank a lot of beer and this would heighten his perceptions. His son PDQ Bach continued in that illustrious tradition of smoking and drinking a lot and became a virtuoso in drinking wine.... he practiced all the time.

  • @stevemartin4249
    @stevemartin4249 7 лет назад

    What ? I just heard you mention 'Baden Powell' and my ears lit up. His Afro-Sambas are gorgeous in their deceptive simplicity. 'Negative harmony' ... gotta check that out.

  • @tomandalbert
    @tomandalbert 7 лет назад

    Smiles all around. In Wisconsin now. From Marin County.

  • @rys61se78
    @rys61se78 7 лет назад +1

    Why I don't subscribe:
    Monday I thought today I will watch what Rick Beato has done lately. I looked over your latest videos and when I got one month back I recognised the video. This means that I haven't looked at any of your newer videos for a month. During that time you have made 20 videos. Meanwhile I have a backlog of your older videos that I am watching (Film Scoring, Music Theory etc.). Some of those videos I have watched several times. Receiving a mail for each new video would only annoy me - In due time I will watch it if it lookes interesting. -Ronny

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  7 лет назад

      +rys61se You know Ronny, I know what kind of videos you like but you can't tell by the titles. My Exotic scales video is really a Film Scoring video that I did one week ago but you don't know that because of the tile. Just because my videos don't say music theory or film scoring in the title doesn't mean that's not what they're about. That's the problem with scanning through titles. By putting those things in the title it actually limits who watches the video. I've made 360 videos in the past year and I don't make videos for one type of person. That being said, I'm going to lay off the live streaming for a while. their way to connect with people and answer questions but not a good way to present material. You will like the video I put out tomorrow. Thanks

  • @gustacular
    @gustacular 7 лет назад +1

    Rick, you are the real deal.

    • @gustacular
      @gustacular 7 лет назад

      you should come to Amsterdam, I'd be honored to share a beer with you.

  • @SurfingSerpent
    @SurfingSerpent 7 лет назад +1

    Hey Rick, this is unrelated to the video, but have you tried getting your son into metal-centric keyboard soloing? I was always inspired by Sonata Arctica growing up, and if I started on the piano I DEFINITELY would have been inspired to play. Jens Johansson did some marvelous work on Sonata Arctica's early work. His keyboard tone is legendary. Jordan from Dream Theater is also fantastic as everyone knows, but has Dylan actually been immersed in that particular way of playing keys?

  • @JazzGuitarScrapbook
    @JazzGuitarScrapbook 7 лет назад +2

    And yet the 6th is really common in melodies in early 20th century popular music, and swing era jazz. Why is that do you think?

  • @SeitzAl1
    @SeitzAl1 7 лет назад +11

    sounding off with steven wilson would be amazing. i mean, one can always dream :D

    • @RohannvanRensburg
      @RohannvanRensburg 7 лет назад

      Maybe a few years ago but I'm not sure SW is interested in anything but mainstream coverage anymore...

  • @daramccluskey
    @daramccluskey 7 лет назад +4

    I love the crazy 'workface' Rick has on when he's not presenting - just shows u - a guy sitting at a bench can still be in hunt mode....

  • @DanielHComposer
    @DanielHComposer 7 лет назад +5

    Hi Rick, greetings from argentina. I'm taking notes of every video about film scoring I see from your channel, I think its the best channel ever here in youtube about that topic. I have a request, can you analize the music from a composer called johann johansson? He made the music for sicarioa, arrival, theory of everything, etc. Its a great composer and wanted to know what are your thoughts about his tecnic. Thanks again for the awesome dedication. - Daniel

    • @DanielHComposer
      @DanielHComposer 7 лет назад

      DepressedCapitalist Hey loco! Beato es un genio, sinceramente me veo cada video de el, aprendo de todo y Johanson que te puedo decir, si bien es minimalista el tipo tiene una personalidad muy única al componer que me cautiva. Un abrazo querido, lo mejor para vos

  • @boriss.861
    @boriss.861 7 лет назад

    Glen Gould's Goldberg Variations - never surpassed.

  • @anonymousbrowser4448
    @anonymousbrowser4448 7 лет назад

    Thank you Rick for the Beato book discount ? Can i still buy it tomorrow evening?

  • @Enogimka
    @Enogimka 7 лет назад +1

    Ironically enough I went ti get a music local in my college to play piano for fun.
    I went by my ild bass teacher in high school in college I throw at her the question on how to write proper inverted chords on the first degree and second degree. I think I'm on the right way to fully understand it, but I just need a little lore time assimilate all of that information. But I asked her what are parallel fifth and also think I finally know what parallel fifth are well I think!!!
    After all this time of hearing that word parallel fifth I think I really get it now well almost. Ahah that was all I had to say. lol
    Anyways you sir keep up the good work with your vids I think I'm really starting to understand music theory by the way don't go too hard on my with that cause I'm actually learning music theory by my own with the ethernet and and asking question to real people that enlighten if I was write or wrong about my interpretation of music theory.

    • @Enogimka
      @Enogimka 7 лет назад

      But other then that with iut your vids I wouldn't be where I'm at now.
      Ahah still not a fan of Jazz-y stuff (quoting Aime Nolte Music quote) yeah the J word. :P
      I'm not where to understand and play with jazz chords and all of that but still I really like watching your videos even though I might not always understand everything but I can still always come back to it to re watch it once in a while. :)
      Hopefully soon enough I'll understand jazz and be able to play around with it. I don't really like all genres of jazz but the old one of the 50s 60s is kinda a blues I don't know that's the one that puts a smile to my face. Hopefully I'll get to understand the structure of this style of jazz one day at a time one day at a time.
      Thanks for the videos again Rick! :)

  • @riverstun
    @riverstun 2 года назад

    Pretty sure you were thinking of Baron von Swieten and Mozart with the "Patron library of scores"

  • @44gg37
    @44gg37 7 лет назад

    Its cool of you to do live streaming so often
    Keep up the good work

  • @Lous_taunau
    @Lous_taunau 7 лет назад

    your channel is a beast for music lovers :)!!!

  • @DouggieDinosaur
    @DouggieDinosaur 7 лет назад

    I love the red wall in the studio !! ^_^

  • @siddells
    @siddells 7 лет назад

    Hey Rick, interesting topic. You mentioned you had an 'academy' where you will teach this topic. Can you please provide the details. I'd love to learn this proper like :p

  • @sybekon
    @sybekon 7 лет назад

    Hi Rick. Incredible channel, btw. Your videos make me feel like I really should get into a conservatory somewhere and put in the time and effort required to flow with you as you explain these core concepts. Here's my question though: Can I live a life of music composition (on the order of Wagner/Bach), plus music performance (Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop, etc) on the Guitar and the Piano/Keyboard, AND still do a 9 - 5 job doing something else (like IT Support, for example)?
    Does that sound feasible...?

  • @astrokratov_official
    @astrokratov_official 7 лет назад

    Rick what do you think about François-Auguste Gevaert's orchestration book?

  • @tomforsythe7024
    @tomforsythe7024 7 лет назад

    "Jambalaya" by Hank Williams uses a sixth in the main part of the melody, and it works, but it is a rare exception. He moves to a five chord, which is how he gets away with it.

  • @stevenkeys4944
    @stevenkeys4944 5 лет назад +2

    What I have thought for years is that even though there is a very evolved theory for harmonic progression and counterpoint, there does not exist and equally well developed theory for melodic progression or rhythmic progression in order to create the most pleasing music possible. There are theories to be sure, but most theory books just the say that the melodic and rhythmic elements are engaging and dynamic and or interesting which doesn't really tell you much. In other words music theory is still 2/3 unfinished by my reckoning. If it was completely finished then anyone who understood such a theory would by able to write compositions that were equal to the best masterworks every created. In other words it's not gonna happen. Neural Nets with massive parallelism anyone?

    • @lebannerfan65
      @lebannerfan65 4 года назад

      Masterworks invent their own way of doing things

  • @rafadacunha9453
    @rafadacunha9453 3 года назад

    Counterpoint, basso continuo and partimento are the best way to learn XVII to IXth century tonal harmony.

  • @roddil777
    @roddil777 7 лет назад

    Dick Grove has a good book on Composing and Arranging.

    • @JonGriffinMusician
      @JonGriffinMusician 7 лет назад +1

      Yes he does. And more than that as well. Too bad when he died, most of his stuff died with him, or was left with students like me. Due to copyright, I can't give it away unfortunately.

  • @cglasford1
    @cglasford1 7 лет назад

    Hey Rick, you talk a lot about Tom Petty and the Beatles and their importance but we lost another great, very influential musician this year, Greg Allman. With you living in Georgia and the Allman Brothers being one of the greatest bands from that state, what are your thoughts on the Allman Brothers and their influence on what we know as “southern rock” and the Jam band/modern improve music? Also thoughts on Duane’s influence on the guitarist that followed.

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  7 лет назад +3

      I love Gregg Allman, especially when he said in an interview, "Calling our Music Southern Rock, is like saying Rock Rock"

    • @cglasford1
      @cglasford1 7 лет назад

      I though they would be right up your ally as they rely heavily on improvisation and draw from jazz but I just haven't ever heard you speak about them and I have watched a lot of your videos. I keep meaning to ask you on your live chats but always seem to miss them or my questions get missed

    • @cglasford1
      @cglasford1 7 лет назад

      it seems like they don't get as much recognition, outside of a select circle, as other bands of that era but essentially started the southern rock genre and greatly influenced the Jam band scene along with the Dead

    • @cglasford1
      @cglasford1 7 лет назад

      and speaking of Jam bands you should do a sounding off with Trey Anastasio of Phish. I know you mentioned you have worked with him! I'm sure he was influenced by ABB

    • @cglasford1
      @cglasford1 7 лет назад

      btw love your nuryl app and so does my 2 month old son Charlie

  • @muuroonggeooffrey246
    @muuroonggeooffrey246 7 лет назад

    Maybe you can make a list like a system tree...
    That will let people know what they should check before your are talking next step. :D

  • @BSkid
    @BSkid 4 года назад

    Thank you, Rick

  • @russwilson2305
    @russwilson2305 7 лет назад

    They say the John Coltrane Quartet walked in to the studio and recorded the record (cant remember which) in about 40 minutes.

  • @eddiegeorge4047
    @eddiegeorge4047 7 лет назад

    Im from NY
    But Live in Tampa FL

  • @Neimhedh
    @Neimhedh 7 лет назад

    Hi Beato, the PDF Mega Bundle, for the guitar licks, has tablatures? thx!

  • @Lolface996
    @Lolface996 7 лет назад

    Do you know any good rescources I can use to teach myself tonal harmony?

  • @jaydenhoward8670
    @jaydenhoward8670 3 года назад

    Where can I find the voice leading course ?

  • @daemonturk
    @daemonturk 7 лет назад +1

    I don't understand why you constructed an overtone series by stacking major thirds. That seems completely different to the overtone series I learnt about

  • @neilwalsh3977
    @neilwalsh3977 7 лет назад

    For me, Bach's great genius, perhaps more than any other composer, except maybe Beethoven?, was to reuse the past. In BWV 54, I hear echoes of Vivaldi's Four Seasons? Is it just me. I feel Bach distilled the spiritual essence out of the most advanced techniques. Why shouldn't we do the same?

  • @ronshehebar
    @ronshehebar 7 лет назад

    Everytime he hits that sixth over the A major chord I can't help myself singing "Bohemian Raphsody" (the piano melody in the "Mama...just killed a man" part). funny thing is it actually resolves to the fifth, and without that, it would just become a "too stable" and not a very progressive sound for the harmony.

  • @lisamerrittjohn
    @lisamerrittjohn 7 лет назад

    Don't have to enjoy it any more..... I understand it!

  • @Flat-Five
    @Flat-Five 7 лет назад

    Bb7 sus4?? But there's a D in it and I thought in a sus4 chord the replaces the 3rd? Couldn't that chord be an Eb maj7 sus4 (add 2)?? I'm talking about the bach chord around the 22min mark

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  7 лет назад

      +sahsplishsplash It's acting as a Bb7 chord because of where goes. The whole first section is in E flat. So it's a dominant over tonic. The most obvious structure is a Bb7 chord in second inversion.

    • @Flat-Five
      @Flat-Five 7 лет назад

      Ah thanks Rick!

  • @riverstun
    @riverstun 2 года назад

    This is the Cantata you were referring to, with added Zombie Surfers
    /watch?v=NwLLlT7MBkE

  • @reggiebellamy7112
    @reggiebellamy7112 7 лет назад

    Thanks

  • @drjellyfingr
    @drjellyfingr 7 лет назад +1

    Any way to get a physical copy of the beato book ?

    • @starttherebellion9146
      @starttherebellion9146 7 лет назад

      Print the pdf

    • @drjellyfingr
      @drjellyfingr 7 лет назад

      Good idea 💡 haha wish I had a printer ... guess there's always staples

    • @starttherebellion9146
      @starttherebellion9146 7 лет назад

      Compare the cost with just buying a cheap printer and printing it yourself. The latter could be cheaper if cost is a factor for you.

  • @PaulIbberson
    @PaulIbberson 7 лет назад

    Gotta know the rules to be able to break 'em (like the man himself did!)

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 7 лет назад

    Whens the next Apple rant video? thx 🍎😀

  • @leophoenixmusic
    @leophoenixmusic 7 лет назад

    I’m learning about this atm in high school (a levels)

  • @LesterBrunt1983
    @LesterBrunt1983 7 лет назад

    The video of Glenn Gould also begins with him improvising a fugue between the Star Spangled Banner and God Save The Queen.

  • @Tomagotcha
    @Tomagotcha 7 лет назад

    Not quite sure if the question in the subject of the video actually got answered.. Love these talks and associative talks about music but they are sometimes too much off topic. I listened 52mins and didn't really hear about why it's important to be aware of tonal harmony, except that it's practical when you're voicing stuff. This comment is meant to be constructive, not negative, I hope I succeeded in that.

    • @RickBeato
      @RickBeato  7 лет назад

      +Tomagotcha to develop the ability to write for voices that move and speak independently. These are live videos with people bombarding me with questions throughout the entire thing. If you do not watch live then you miss the entire subtext of me answering questions which are going by the screen that everyone can see that is watching live. Taken out of context it wouldn't make as much sense. Now I can either not post them or post them and get comments like this. Would you rather have me not post them?

    • @FernieCanto
      @FernieCanto 7 лет назад

      I guess some people expect titles like these to be objective questions, which will be given a definitive answer, instead of a general theme for the talk as a whole.

  • @StefanoPapaleo-TS
    @StefanoPapaleo-TS 7 лет назад

    Yeah we want the beard. Let's turn Rick Beato into Rick Grimes from The Walking Dead:))

  • @revbrotherkenneth
    @revbrotherkenneth 5 лет назад

    The beard is awesome!

  • @fernansanday8638
    @fernansanday8638 7 лет назад

    woah sounds creepy yet sounds great

  • @thaneyoung
    @thaneyoung 7 лет назад

    loveit!!

  • @paulgibby6932
    @paulgibby6932 7 лет назад

    "Resist Sin" - Wiederstehe doch der Sünde

  • @pwzinho
    @pwzinho 7 лет назад

    Tem algum br aqui?

  • @LesterBrunt1983
    @LesterBrunt1983 7 лет назад +1

    Holy fuck, Aysin Esen, wtf, jesus christ, holy moly, my god......

  • @activatedpuddle
    @activatedpuddle 7 лет назад +1

    jeff waldo?

  • @connor6842
    @connor6842 7 лет назад

    Rick looks like Jerry Garcia with that beard

  • @allanwilson8878
    @allanwilson8878 7 лет назад

    Santa? Surely it was the full Fidel you had, esp carrying around your daughter Lenin (sp).

  • @roddil777
    @roddil777 7 лет назад

    Santa Beato LOL

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 7 лет назад +1

    Neapolitan chords sound clumsy in most progressions I've heard. What were they thinking?

    • @whatshendrix
      @whatshendrix 7 лет назад

      What progressions have you been listening to?

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 7 лет назад

      Bunch of Classical music back in my music conservatory days. It always sounded as if the composer thought they were being clever, but it came off like a bad pun to my ears.

    • @corystajduhar
      @corystajduhar 7 лет назад

      I use Neapolitan chords sometimes. It used to be a pretty common progression to end a song with: b6 - b2 - I. In the key of C major, it would be AbM7 - DbM7 - C2 sounds great to me. I like to add the Major sevenths and the sus2. From what I understand, the mere fact that it is build on the b2 of the scale qualifies it as a Neapolitan chord, but I could be mistaken. I don't think I've ever used a Neapolitan 6th chord, however, but you just mentioned Neapolitan chords in general.

    • @skeletonrowdie1768
      @skeletonrowdie1768 7 лет назад

      Check the wikipedia, it lists some popular songs using the chord and popular uses for the chord. Sounds quite smooth to me to be honest!

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 7 лет назад

      Yeah, that progression is OK. It was what I heard in "Classical music" that sounded lame. As I recall, it was the chord used prior to the Neopolitan that typically the progression sound wonky.

  • @enlightenedrealmaudio4382
    @enlightenedrealmaudio4382 7 лет назад

    get that beard back dude!