Great video and great comparisons! Prior to this video, I would manually change my settings and spin up multiple streams and compare it my self. But your video helped me make the decision fairly quickly. Looks like there's not much difference between P5 and P7 :)
It's a good effort to render the video in the highest quality you are able to as RUclips will always diminish it, so that's a good one as it is clarified to me and as I do not see any difference between the last steps, because I was concerned about the lose of quality going from P7 to P5 for streaming, as in the obs page says that you should ''low your in-game graphics or cap the fps as you must reserve some of the resources for the video encoding or otherwise your video FPS will be fucked up although you use an rtx 4080 in 1440p (as is my case)''. I don't know if I explained myself correctly, but to me: P5 = better performance with derisory quality loss, so thanks a lot for making the video and taking all that time to perform it!
yeah, I tried my best but it's still far from perfect to simulate a fast-motion game with a complex scene like Overwatch or Apex (sadly I don't play this game, I have PUBG though but it's not fast and has a complex scene like both of them). The only scene that almost replicates that scenario is when the camera moves fast to the Hydra. For the performance, you can see my latest video about NVENC utilization. And I agree with you P5 is better for a majority of people who has low-end hardware because it's easier to run.
nice it becomes quite a bit harder to tell p5 from p7, also i tested in overwatch with 99-100% gpu usage p5 to p7, and if the game is gpu limited and allready maxed the higher the p setting the more fps loss altho its fairly small p5 was 456fps, p6 445fps, p7 442fps, short test and fps was all over the place at the very least i know for a fact p5 gets slightly more fps was hard to tell between p6 and p7 edit: with 50% resolution downscale i was cpu bound, and it didnt seem to affect fps at all from p5 to p7, test was on ryzen 5600g with 3060ti
If you have MSI afterburner and HWInfo64 you could also monitoring NVENC usage with plugin modules. In my testing P7 almost not worth it in 1440p since the NVENC usage almost hit 100% (which will introduce encoding lag) ruclips.net/video/mLUFrBLmei4/видео.html
@@wrywndp nice thanks i honestly didn't consider the hardware encoder usage, i wonder what happens when it goes over 100% on nvenc does it use more gpu or cpu to compensate
P3 looks like best of both worlds to me. Do you know if the quarter res 2nd pass would add quality? Any chance that you make a last encoding with P3 and quarter res 2pass and post some comparison screenshots between those 2? I searched the whole web and even nvidia tells anything about it.
If you play faster games like Apex Legend or Overwatch, you need at least P5. Quarter resolution 2nd Pass definitely add quality, but keep it mind, that just like Psycho Visual Tuning, this setting also use GPU utilization which means could reduce FPS in heavy GPU scenarios. I prefer to up the preset from P3 to P5 since it using NVENC. and Choose multipass mode to quarter if you need more quality. I will make a video about it when I have free time.
Im currently trying find out if there is a visible difference in recording at p4-7 at 4k. From what i see the difference is pretty much neglagable after p4. Would you agree? Also thanks so mich for making this vid. Its literally the only one ive found so far that actually compares the different presets
I wouldn't suggest anyone using high preset when recording especially in 4k since you're going to use CQP anyway. But nothing wrong using high preset as long you're not hitting 100% video encoder usage. But yeah, from p4 to p7 the difference is almost negligible.
@wrywn_ so then what would you recommend for 4k60 recording based off what you've seen? P1 2 3 or 4. Like is there a visual difference between even 3 and 4?
@@INSOMNIACBLXCK personally, I always use p1 with psyco visual tuning off (since it's enabled by default) for recording. when using cqp the visual difference is based on cqp level
what is your pc spec? for recording I suggest to use rate conttrol CQP level 24 (nvidia) or CRF (CPU) for better quality start with. for streaming use CBR.
What settings do you recomend for the least impact on framerate and gpu usage when streamming, rn im on 8000Kbps P4 preset, high quality tuning, should i decrease the bitrate and increase the preset, or is it better to have a higher bitrate and lower preset
If you want performance for your games, just use Singe Pass Mode and Turn OFF Psycho Visual Tuning and Look-ahead. No need to decrease bitrate or lower preset as long your NVENC utilization not 90%++ ruclips.net/video/L1VBd2D304w/видео.html
@@ayexIWNL Psycho Visual Tuning is not that heavy but some users experience lower performance in-game (or even stutter) due to high GPU Core usage since PVT uses Cuda core.
@@wrywndp Got it, tested everything yesterday, 8600kbps tested p1 and p2 with the things that you recommended and it feels smooth, i only lose like 40fps or 30fps
p1 to p7 they all look terrible. Try maybe redoing all this once you get a better pc or understand settings. Can you not see even your p7 footage is tragic and pixelated?
of course it's all terrible, it's all intended. try maybe read the top pin comment once you get a better brain or understand what this video is about. can you not see your comment is tragic and pixelated?
As a vTuber who uses additional programs like vBridger, vTube Studio, and Twitch Integrated Throwing System, do you think these settings can still push out a decent balance of quality and stability for my rig? P3 5000KBps bitrate Off Look-ahead/PVisT Currently on a Ryzen 5500, 4060ti (8GB) and 32GBs of ram for the general parts. Any input will be helpful!
1. Since you're not streaming the game you're playing at full screen you can go for 1080p (base canvas and output) 2. Change the preset from P3 to P5. 3. Keep look-ahead and PVT off unless you want to get better quality turn PVT only (keep in mind this feature uses GPU utilization, meaning less fps for your game) 4. Based on your past streaming on Twitch, you got transcode feature, so you could up your bitrate to 7000~8000 Kbps, but remember to keep your bitrate below 80% of your max upload bandwidth.
@@wrywndp gotcha! Thank you for the insight! This really helps. I guess it's only struggling with Helldivers 2 at the moment considering its on DX12 and chews through CPU like a MF. on modded MHWorld, surprisingly no issues so far
@@Taru_Nashi ahh CPU bottleneck one of the worst bottleneck, especially if you hit 90%~100% CPU utilization. you still could upgrade to 5800x3D or 5700x3D if you have the money.
@@wrywndp I'm actually getting a hyper upgrade to a 7950x 3d bundle by june, so its something to look forward to! I'll update you by then! You earned a sub for being a cool dude!
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Great video and great comparisons! Prior to this video, I would manually change my settings and spin up multiple streams and compare it my self. But your video helped me make the decision fairly quickly.
Looks like there's not much difference between P5 and P7 :)
Bro I really love your effort and work, this is just that I was looking for. Thanks and grettings from México
It's a good effort to render the video in the highest quality you are able to as RUclips will always diminish it, so that's a good one as it is clarified to me and as I do not see any difference between the last steps, because I was concerned about the lose of quality going from P7 to P5 for streaming, as in the obs page says that you should ''low your in-game graphics or cap the fps as you must reserve some of the resources for the video encoding or otherwise your video FPS will be fucked up although you use an rtx 4080 in 1440p (as is my case)''.
I don't know if I explained myself correctly, but to me: P5 = better performance with derisory quality loss, so thanks a lot for making the video and taking all that time to perform it!
yeah, I tried my best but it's still far from perfect to simulate a fast-motion game with a complex scene like Overwatch or Apex (sadly I don't play this game, I have PUBG though but it's not fast and has a complex scene like both of them). The only scene that almost replicates that scenario is when the camera moves fast to the Hydra.
For the performance, you can see my latest video about NVENC utilization. And I agree with you P5 is better for a majority of people who has low-end hardware because it's easier to run.
Nice work you put in the video, thanks!
you're welcome
This was helpful, thanks.
Why 3k bitrate only
nice it becomes quite a bit harder to tell p5 from p7, also i tested in overwatch with 99-100% gpu usage p5 to p7, and if the game is gpu limited and allready maxed the higher the p setting the more fps loss altho its fairly small p5 was 456fps, p6 445fps, p7 442fps, short test and fps was all over the place at the very least i know for a fact p5 gets slightly more fps was hard to tell between p6 and p7
edit: with 50% resolution downscale i was cpu bound, and it didnt seem to affect fps at all from p5 to p7, test was on ryzen 5600g with 3060ti
If you have MSI afterburner and HWInfo64 you could also monitoring NVENC usage with plugin modules. In my testing P7 almost not worth it in 1440p since the NVENC usage almost hit 100% (which will introduce encoding lag)
ruclips.net/video/mLUFrBLmei4/видео.html
@@wrywndp nice thanks i honestly didn't consider the hardware encoder usage, i wonder what happens when it goes over 100% on nvenc does it use more gpu or cpu to compensate
@@AngelTyraelGM I just tested it the video will stutter and it's not using more gpu or CPU to compensate
Did you apply the 50% res downscale through obs settings right?
@@SebsGongG obs doesnt have enough power to change from gpu bound to cpu bound, needs to be done ingame
P3 looks like best of both worlds to me.
Do you know if the quarter res 2nd pass would add quality? Any chance that you make a last encoding with P3 and quarter res 2pass and post some comparison screenshots between those 2?
I searched the whole web and even nvidia tells anything about it.
If you play faster games like Apex Legend or Overwatch, you need at least P5.
Quarter resolution 2nd Pass definitely add quality, but keep it mind, that just like Psycho Visual Tuning, this setting also use GPU utilization which means could reduce FPS in heavy GPU scenarios.
I prefer to up the preset from P3 to P5 since it using NVENC. and Choose multipass mode to quarter if you need more quality.
I will make a video about it when I have free time.
Thank you !!!
What if using a HD60x to stream only a PS5 ?
I suppose p7 would be the best but I can't find the answer
Im currently trying find out if there is a visible difference in recording at p4-7 at 4k. From what i see the difference is pretty much neglagable after p4. Would you agree?
Also thanks so mich for making this vid. Its literally the only one ive found so far that actually compares the different presets
I wouldn't suggest anyone using high preset when recording especially in 4k since you're going to use CQP anyway. But nothing wrong using high preset as long you're not hitting 100% video encoder usage.
But yeah, from p4 to p7 the difference is almost negligible.
@wrywn_ so then what would you recommend for 4k60 recording based off what you've seen? P1 2 3 or 4. Like is there a visual difference between even 3 and 4?
@@INSOMNIACBLXCK personally, I always use p1 with psyco visual tuning off (since it's enabled by default) for recording. when using cqp the visual difference is based on cqp level
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same setting but bitrate i setup at 16000 is it ok ?
what is your pc spec? for recording I suggest to use rate conttrol CQP level 24 (nvidia) or CRF (CPU) for better quality start with. for streaming use CBR.
What settings do you recomend for the least impact on framerate and gpu usage when streamming, rn im on 8000Kbps P4 preset, high quality tuning, should i decrease the bitrate and increase the preset, or is it better to have a higher bitrate and lower preset
If you want performance for your games, just use Singe Pass Mode and Turn OFF Psycho Visual Tuning and Look-ahead. No need to decrease bitrate or lower preset as long your NVENC utilization not 90%++
ruclips.net/video/L1VBd2D304w/видео.html
@@wrywndp Damn, didn't know that Psycho Visual was that heavy, i thought like it was a thing to prioritize certain motions, tysm
@@ayexIWNL Psycho Visual Tuning is not that heavy but some users experience lower performance in-game (or even stutter) due to high GPU Core usage since PVT uses Cuda core.
@@wrywndp Got it, tested everything yesterday, 8600kbps tested p1 and p2 with the things that you recommended and it feels smooth, i only lose like 40fps or 30fps
thanks for the help!
What is the impact perfomance on rtx cards between p1 and p7?
good question
p5 and p7 look the same
p5 p6 and p7 has similar quality
@@wrywndpand what about perfomance impact? Is p4/p5 equals to p7?
@@SpiderOver check my latest video
p1 to p7 they all look terrible. Try maybe redoing all this once you get a better pc or understand settings. Can you not see even your p7 footage is tragic and pixelated?
of course it's all terrible, it's all intended. try maybe read the top pin comment once you get a better brain or understand what this video is about. can you not see your comment is tragic and pixelated?
buy a brain, bob
@@wrywndp Definitely subbed for that comment. Slapped harder than Will Smith at the Oscars
@@TheIronRaven 😀
You need to look in the mirror, and slap yourself in the face.
As a vTuber who uses additional programs like vBridger, vTube Studio, and Twitch Integrated Throwing System, do you think these settings can still push out a decent balance of quality and stability for my rig?
P3
5000KBps bitrate
Off Look-ahead/PVisT
Currently on a Ryzen 5500, 4060ti (8GB) and 32GBs of ram for the general parts.
Any input will be helpful!
1. Since you're not streaming the game you're playing at full screen you can go for 1080p (base canvas and output)
2. Change the preset from P3 to P5.
3. Keep look-ahead and PVT off unless you want to get better quality turn PVT only (keep in mind this feature uses GPU utilization, meaning less fps for your game)
4. Based on your past streaming on Twitch, you got transcode feature, so you could up your bitrate to 7000~8000 Kbps, but remember to keep your bitrate below 80% of your max upload bandwidth.
@@wrywndp gotcha! Thank you for the insight! This really helps.
I guess it's only struggling with Helldivers 2 at the moment considering its on DX12 and chews through CPU like a MF. on modded MHWorld, surprisingly no issues so far
@@Taru_Nashi ahh CPU bottleneck one of the worst bottleneck, especially if you hit 90%~100% CPU utilization.
you still could upgrade to 5800x3D or 5700x3D if you have the money.
@@wrywndp I'm actually getting a hyper upgrade to a 7950x 3d bundle by june, so its something to look forward to!
I'll update you by then! You earned a sub for being a cool dude!