does he say anything about the Jesuits ? Who in the 1800 worked tirelessly throughout the New World. Ordering their pan socialist idealisms on disinterested native country folk. Herr H found their form of military discipline perfect for the GroBdeutschland hive mind.
Very interesting. Thank you Paul Moon and thanks to ML for interviewing him. as you say, the idea of demanding an apology for something that was supposedly said in Italy 500 years ago is absurd, but I think they know that the Catholic Church is now completely woke, and they stand a good chance of getting that ‘apology’. What their real motive is will then become apparent.
The motive will be down to money. Maori looking for another payout. I suggest that this claim, is fully investigated. If it turns out to be a money grab. Then all the signatures, need to be removed from any seat of power. Including parliament.
Yeh it's dangerous to apologise to indigenous people they will milk it for all it's worth and it will be another 50 years of historical claims it's like a fkn dictatorship that no-one knows how to quell now it's become a giant just like it did post Treaty the rebels rose up and so hence the NZ wars to get rid of them, the Chiefs warned against this rebellion and now it's grown into a Kauri tree that cannot be cut down.
Paul Moon ONZM is a New Zealand historian and a professor at the Auckland University of Technology. He is a writer of New Zealand history and biography, specialising in Māori history, the Treaty of Waitangi and the early period of Crown rule
Wow,people who look at history as a factual record of the past. History is the truth, fact that doesn't change. This is nothing to be embarrassed or protective of. Too much of our nz history is covered up,or not discussed in fear of becoming a trigger for the woke mob or iwi eagerly waiting to be offended
Paul Moon is also author of recent article: Five myths and misconceptions that confuse the Treaty of Waitangi debate 1. The Treaty or Te Tiriti? 2. The Treaty is not a contract 3. Relationships evolve over time 4. Questions of motive 5. Myths of a ‘real’ Treaty and 4th article
..The limited scope of the new school history curriculum is intended to create guilt and grievance...and that's about the size of the fight in the dog..
Pember Reeves said that Montefiore was waiting for his tons of Flax after Te Rauparapraha came back from the Sth Island. Hughes in "The Fatal Shore" said that nothing happened in New South Wales without Montefiore's Nod. But Hongi Hoka managed to Procure 300 Muskets in Sydney, to set up an Imbalance of Power Dialectic within Maori. Typical of how the British East India Company and City of London have Historically Orchestrated Profitable Wars. Is this the Third Rail that "Our Crowd" insists no one may discuss.
Laws that are repugnant to common law that has already been sworn by the actual English Crown should never be signed into law. For a constitution to be valid for the people of New Zealand must be firstly accepted by the majority of the citizens of New Zealand. Historical fairy tales may be good for those that choose to deceive, however fraud destroys all that it touches. Only the English Crown who created the laws can change them. Statutory law never exceeds common law. Good luck or good management NZ you are all going to need every bit you can get your hands on😊
The Doctrine of Discovery is a Catholic Pope edict. The agreement with Maori (the Treaty) was wholly Anglican and secular. However, the recent (since 1975) reinterpretation and subsequent implementation of the Treaty of Waitangi is getting progressively more dangerous to our well being as a country. This new "doctrine" separates us into two groups of peoples, Maori and all others (159 others). The long history of the democratic view of One person and to one vote is/has been removed!! We are now living in a racist/apatite country. Where Maori are the favored ones. The pendulum is swinging the other way
Hay that's ok if the the human rights commission wants to ask the Roman Catholic Church for an apology why not, and also wile there on there crusade praise and and thank the the Church of England for starting the discussion and then subsequent end of savory, the good thing and bad things that come from the best of intentions aren't we just a bunch of sinners?
“We think this happened, therefore it happened”. Look to the rewrite of the NZ History curriculum and the idea of “historical narratives” and “local relevance” in teaching our children, and get ready for more of this nonsense.Of course, the lily-white (pun fully intended) attitude to your victimised justification for “redress” falls at one term: Moriori.
One obvious point of contention Pope is head of the Roman Catholic Church British monarchy hasn't been Roman Catholic since Henry 8th And the reformation in 1527 So the Pope's edict doesn't apply to British Empire as the removed the Pope as head of the church over 200 years before Cook mapped NZ and landed So a Roman Catholic Papal edict is null and void as a line of grievance
England, France, Spain, and Portugal, all used the Doctrine of Discovery, at the onset of its " Declaration " by Pope Alexander VI. This was prior to Henry 8th anexation of the Catholic church. .
Paul Moon is talking out of his arse. He's made loads of money by writing racially driven rhetoric that underminded Māori and marginalised them even further.
Care to give examples? It's easy to just say what's wrong his words, but difficult to back up your critique with context and your qualification/experience to speak on the matter
@@MatthewDawsonNZ oh shut up Dawson and stop being a princess over my words/my opinion. What is my evidence and qualifications? Stop the laziness, research Paul Moon - the title of his books alone is indicative of his low par assertions of Māori, and get back to me. Also stop being a little sook.
Maori been calling English whinging poms for decades but maybe the whinging bug has jumped onto them now blah blah nek minit the Maori will be saying they created the Universe hahahahahaha
It's impossible to undermine Maori, we do it to ourselves. It's also impossible to marginalize a group that is the only group ever considered for everything from medical funding to housing.
this chap is awesome. best interview i've heard on the platform
That was an eye opener.
Paul Moons book the path to the treaty of waitangi should be compulsory reading for all kiwis
does he say anything about the Jesuits ? Who in the 1800 worked tirelessly throughout the New World. Ordering their pan socialist idealisms on disinterested native country folk.
Herr H found their form of military discipline perfect for the GroBdeutschland hive mind.
Very interesting. Thank you Paul Moon and thanks to ML for interviewing him. as you say, the idea of demanding an apology for something that was supposedly said in Italy 500 years ago is absurd, but I think they know that the Catholic Church is now completely woke, and they stand a good chance of getting that ‘apology’. What their real motive is will then become apparent.
The motive will be down to money. Maori looking for another payout.
I suggest that this claim, is fully investigated. If it turns out to be a money grab. Then all the signatures, need to be removed from any seat of power. Including parliament.
Yeh it's dangerous to apologise to indigenous people they will milk it for all it's worth and it will be another 50 years of historical claims it's like a fkn dictatorship that no-one knows how to quell now it's become a giant just like it did post Treaty the rebels rose up and so hence the NZ wars to get rid of them, the Chiefs warned against this rebellion and now it's grown into a Kauri tree that cannot be cut down.
Paul Moon ONZM is a New Zealand historian and a professor at the Auckland University of Technology. He is a writer of New Zealand history and biography, specialising in Māori history, the Treaty of Waitangi and the early period of Crown rule
Great piece Michael
Where was the Human Rights Commission during the COVID madness?
Promoting the propaganda of the government.
🦗🎵🦗🎵🦗🎵
Paul......is brilliant...
Wow,people who look at history as a factual record of the past.
History is the truth, fact that doesn't change. This is nothing to be embarrassed or protective of.
Too much of our nz history is covered up,or not discussed in fear of becoming a trigger for the woke mob or iwi eagerly waiting to be offended
Great interview, interesting and informative
Paul Moon is also author of recent article: Five myths and misconceptions that confuse the Treaty of Waitangi debate
1. The Treaty or Te Tiriti?
2. The Treaty is not a contract
3. Relationships evolve over time
4. Questions of motive
5. Myths of a ‘real’ Treaty and 4th article
Motive most likely money and power.
Great chat, thank you
What if a Moari tribe has been wronged by another tribe what is the solution?
after the treaty it was law courts
before the treaty it was bloodshed!
winner eats all
..The limited scope of the new school history curriculum is intended to create guilt and grievance...and that's about the size of the fight in the dog..
limited scope = limited minds
...oy vey rrurrubs hands👏🏻
Pember Reeves said that Montefiore was waiting for his tons of Flax after Te Rauparapraha came back from the Sth Island. Hughes in "The Fatal Shore" said that nothing happened in New South Wales without Montefiore's Nod. But Hongi Hoka managed to Procure 300 Muskets in Sydney, to set up an Imbalance of Power Dialectic within Maori. Typical of how the British East India Company and City of London have Historically Orchestrated Profitable Wars. Is this the Third Rail that "Our Crowd" insists no one may discuss.
If there was human rights in NZ we wouldn't have the reserve bank or fractional reserve banking, 2 sides of the slavery coin
Laws that are repugnant to common law that has already been sworn by the actual English Crown should never be signed into law.
For a constitution to be valid for the people of New Zealand must be firstly accepted by the majority of the citizens of New Zealand.
Historical fairy tales may be good for those that choose to deceive, however fraud destroys all that it touches.
Only the English Crown who created the laws can change them.
Statutory law never exceeds common law.
Good luck or good management NZ you are all going to need every bit you can get your hands on😊
The Doctrine of Discovery is a Catholic Pope edict. The agreement with Maori (the Treaty) was wholly Anglican and secular. However, the recent (since 1975) reinterpretation and subsequent implementation of the Treaty of Waitangi is getting progressively more dangerous to our well being as a country. This new "doctrine" separates us into two groups of peoples, Maori and all others (159 others). The long history of the democratic view of One person and to one vote is/has been removed!!
We are now living in a racist/apatite country. Where Maori are the favored ones. The pendulum is swinging the other way
Hay that's ok if the the human rights commission wants to ask the Roman Catholic Church for an apology why not, and also wile there on there crusade praise and and thank the the Church of England for starting the discussion and then subsequent end of savory, the good thing and bad things that come from the best of intentions aren't we just a bunch of sinners?
...end of slavery 🤣
And no, we are not all sinners
✌🏼😇💛
So is Urarera Sterling's book ,
He new all the whakapapa of all the Tribes !😛
WHO ?
“We think this happened, therefore it happened”. Look to the rewrite of the NZ History curriculum and the idea of “historical narratives” and “local relevance” in teaching our children, and get ready for more of this nonsense.Of course, the lily-white (pun fully intended) attitude to your victimised justification for “redress” falls at one term: Moriori.
I am sure Bishop Pomaliar didn’t do what they suggested. They assisted people and were well respected by maori.
One obvious point of contention
Pope is head of the Roman Catholic Church
British monarchy hasn't been Roman Catholic since Henry 8th
And the reformation in 1527
So the Pope's edict doesn't apply to British Empire as the removed the Pope as head of the church over 200 years before Cook mapped NZ and landed
So a Roman Catholic Papal edict is null and void as a line of grievance
England, France, Spain, and Portugal, all used the Doctrine of Discovery, at the onset of its " Declaration " by Pope Alexander VI. This was prior to Henry 8th anexation of the Catholic church. .
😂
Paul Moon is talking out of his arse. He's made loads of money by writing racially driven rhetoric that underminded Māori and marginalised them even further.
Care to give examples? It's easy to just say what's wrong his words, but difficult to back up your critique with context and your qualification/experience to speak on the matter
@@MatthewDawsonNZ oh shut up Dawson and stop being a princess over my words/my opinion. What is my evidence and qualifications? Stop the laziness, research Paul Moon - the title of his books alone is indicative of his low par assertions of Māori, and get back to me. Also stop being a little sook.
Maori been calling English whinging poms for decades but maybe the whinging bug has jumped onto them now blah blah nek minit the Maori will be saying they created the Universe hahahahahaha
@@StGammon77 stay off the pipe mate, you'll make better sense.
It's impossible to undermine Maori, we do it to ourselves. It's also impossible to marginalize a group that is the only group ever considered for everything from medical funding to housing.