North and South: A Bitter Duel
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2007
- At West Point Military Academy, Elkanah Bent humiliates Cadet Ned Fisk while testing his fencing abilities, then asks Orry to step up next, with intentions of doing the same with him, but doesn't get the results he hoped for.
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"Swords? Only girls fight with swords! We fight with cannon sir!"
-the Duke of Wellington; Black Adder III. Hilarious line from that wonderful comedy.
Years of carefree maiming XD
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Didn't that lunatic want to DUEL with cannons? haha
Can we duel with poisonous gas sir ?
@@mainnevent515 Mutual suicide lol
They're really good at hitting each others sabres.
This one is a bit better and a bit faster... just a bit faster:
ruclips.net/video/Yegd3YpjmWY/видео.html
HEMA for the win especially Polish sabers
They are not fencing swords but are cavairy weapons designed for slashing from horseback.
Are you sure? They're carrying officer dress sabres not cavalry sabers, completely different stuff
They probably couldn’t afford a better fight stager person
Patrick Swayze in "Dirty Fencing"
ahahahahahaha very good statement or words' game
Helder Costa lol
Mst3k tier riff.
nobody puts Orry in the corner!
LOL ^_^
Patrick will be greatly missed. Such a talented actor and dancer.
No wonder why he’s a good Fencer
lol nope
Especially that spin at the end when Orry turns it around on Bent. Patrick had to stick a dance move in there!
Just another dance routine 😉
Ninja movie crap
Very poor form to turn your
back on an opponent in a
blade fight
Something Bent didn't expect, a recruit that knows how to handle a sword.
as Orry said, every Southern gentleman was expected to know how to use a sword, and his father made sure he had lessons. Someone who has been training for over 10 years before even stepping foot in a military academy would be very dangerous with a blade. Bent, from Georgia also had an education, although his relationship to his father was not so cordial.
He's not really a recruit. He's D'Artagnan incognito.
@@SantomPhmuch like my father, (green barret in Vietnam War, brown belt in Ti-kwan-do and red belt in Maui-Thai) when he showed me what was to be my first rifle when I was 6 yet wouldn't let me lay a finger on it until I learned to fight like a man. He was my first teacher before I furthered my education in the martial arts and it's way of life in Japan.
Where my father taught me "do not take a stance against another man unless you must" Japan taught me "if you must take a stance don't think of who must die but what you're allowing to live. Everyone belongs to someone, choose your actions wisely. "
This was a great miniseries. Swayze and Read had excellent chemistry. Casnoff as Bent gave a fine performance as well. Playing a sadistic, bullying, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing little prick is very hard work.
Ever notice its usually the nicest people in real life who play the best villians.
@@brassmonkey2697 - How true that is. Many actors say they relish playing villains because they stretch the envelope and act against character. I as m sure Henry Finda has a tine playing Frank in Once Upon A Time In The West. I think a lot of audiences were absolutely floored at the end of the opening scene, when the camera revealed Henry. I don't think he had ever played a bad guy before.
@@brassmonkey2697 it's the pent up rage in them.
@@brassmonkey2697 Pete Postelwaite as Obadiah Hakeswell is a great example of this. As is Michael Cochrane playing Sir Henry Simmerson.
Philip Casnoff play Bent masterfully! He should have won awards!! 💘 🎥
was there for the Battle of Churubusco...reenactor, Mexican corporal. Spent a week in full period encampment. Both Patrick and James were great guys on set. RIP, Patrick.
NICE. Greetings from the 4th US in the Washington Territory :)
Pity that the actors didn't put any time in on the saber drill at all, though.
@Donald Donald Hate to tell you this, SpongeBob, but yes, I have. I've fought in the SCA and HEMA, and know and can teach the Cavalry Saber Drill. My criticism comes from knowledge, not keyboard courage.
Do I think I'm expert enough to square up with bare blades? Well, I've never had to and you never know until it becomes necessary.
@Donald Donald You stay classy, now, Chuckles.
Can't ever imagine a real swordsman doing this, because there is a saying about the two people a swordsman fears the most - the master, and the novice. Being that beginners tend to erratic and unpredictable things, so who is to say he is going to attempt to parry your strike instead of just suicidally thrusting forward, killing you and possibly killing himself.
There's nothing like a good sword duel...and this is Nothing like a good sword duel.
It is not intended to be, this series is about romance, but you got to throw some kind of action in there.
It's ok, if it was sped up and if the strikes were to the body rather than the swords, it would be good. Parries, strikes and footwork are pretty good.
See "Wołodyjowski vs Kmicic".
@@matthewpham9525 Most sword trainers train the actors to aim at the sword. "Can you make a sword fighter out of our leading man?" "No, but I can keep him and the guy he's fighting both alive."
Michael, right on. the times of Sir Basil Rathbone and good Erroll Flynn are far...
I have always loved Patrick Swayze's character and acting. So sad that he died so young. Rest with God Mr. Swayze.
Still one of the best parts in the whole show. Orry shuts Bent up and lets him know that he isn't going to stand for Bent being a jerk.
I remember this scene very well...
i was a little boy playing in the living room when my mom called me to watch this sword fight and i sat beside her.
such quality times with my mom i will cherish..
now that she's old she couldnt even finish a 30 minute tv series without falling asleep.
i miss those good times with her..
Weng Ten that was sweet.
Chrish and always remember those times. I am in the same boat.
Há momentos na nossas vidas que são raros e não voltam mais.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Thanks for the great video . Patrick will be in our heart for ever .
Ah thanks for everything patrick, you will live forever in movies and in our heart.
The little pirouette Swayze does at 3:37 is damned artistic
The late Patrick Swayze was a natural born dancer and athlete so the pirouette comes very natural to him and he is so good at everything.
Love how the cadet thinks that he is a judge of a good soldier or not. That's just...just plain adorable. LMAO
Ikr, what the hell does he know.
He has Corporal's stripes though? Is he an instructor at West Point?
Normally I'm quite bitching around when it comes to authenticity of fighting scenes, but this one I have a sweet spot for, since it's not really so much about the fighting but more about Bent's cruelty turning into curiosity, frustration, furiosity and sheer fear at last, which was perfectly performed in about 3 minutes
I don't think it's too bad really. Apart from the spin they did quite well for a TV show.
Take this down Darling...
Those were the days we stayed home to watch these series.
Yes, I grew up watching the mini series and enjoyed them. Wish they still had them.
After the 1985 world series as I recall
It's clear that all of the officers watching are wondering where and how these men passed the sword qualifications.
Laitharex All they needed to do was demonstrate competence, not mastery.
But there was no competence demonstrated here.
@@MrEpeeFencer yeh agreed.
Gotta love how Swayze gets called and then takes off his hat to reveal his perfect Hollywood hair hahaha
The actor - Casnoff - did such a great job of playing this character. He was so good that it was impossible NOT to hate Bent. Bent was just ... deranged, power-hungry, and greedy. The acting was awesome. I couldn't stand Ashton. Or Virginia.
The Ashton character needed to be continuously sodomized into relentless submission!
It’s been decades since the first and only time I’ve seen this movie! Anyone who’s never seen it, don’t underestimate it based on this scene. This movie is a blast! A guilty and very enjoyable pleasure, with good history lessons!
I have it on DVD. Parts 1 and 2 are great. "Heaven and Hell" is basically unwatchable.
Yes Bent and Ashton were great villains who got what they did in the end.
@@LKaramazov It was on in the UK a very few months ago. Excellent series, very enjoyable and indeed educational too.
Orry's dad taught him how to handle a sword. Bent was dualing with the wrong man.
In movies, the rule is you have to swing your sword at your opponent's sword instead of actually trying to hit his body.
Well it's practice not a real fight. If they were to hit each other I don't see many graduating in the end.
"at your service sir", gotta love Swayze's delivery there. you know something is gonna go down
no matter how good you are there is always someone better
At your service, Sir
Such a great mini series
Huge fan of North and South!! Love to see these clips...now off to search more!!!
Phillip Casnoff has done fine work in historical films. Laffayette in George Washington, Chief of Confederate Security in Ironclads, He even played Frank Sinatra. But the North and South Miniseries was some of his finest work as Elkanah Bent. Gene Kelly was his father.
He also had a guest starring role in the pilot for "Remington Steele". So interesting to see him as a nice guy (albeit one that got murdered)
Loved this scene I remember this when it was a mini series on TV. RIP Patrick Swayze gone way too soon.
I remember too
Valerei Renfro - I remember too... I was 12 when the miniseries came out, & I _loved Orry!_ And I loved this scene too - not just because he kicked Bent's butt, but Orry had been struggling at West point, & this was something he was good at.
2:21 when Swayze let’s his beautiful 1980’s hair free from his cap, you know someone is about to get fucked up
That's right he's about to go Roadhouse on someone
@@molonlabe4745 Dammit! You got there before me!
That hajrstyle was popular in 19 century, search for old photos. It was also popular in many time periods before.
Unfortunately, guys like Bent can still be found in every major company today. These bastards just don't die out. ;)
And if they are careful they can be hard to distinguish from the guys who are just hard disciplinarians. Ned Fisk was a poor fencer so drilling him mercilessly would be appropriate and if Bent could keep the gloating he got out of it to a minimum, he could get away with it.
Love that scene from North & South.. thanks for posting~
patrick swayze was one of the greatest ever....I MISS HIM SO MUCH.....MY FAV of hm all-time...i have the whole series dvd, even part 3.....I was upset, when part 3, they killed off orry....but he said he didn't want to do it anymore.....I was young when this first came out, and now 38, and still remember it like it was yesterday.....
I wish life could be this romantic.......but R.I.P PATRICK......GREAT MOVIE
Watching this makes me miss Patrick Swayze even more. Thank you for posting this clip.
Bodi kicks ass at everything he does, from surfing to skydiving to fencing.
West point was a small place, sword drill, rifle drill, Artillery and a logistics wagon between 2 buildings.
Loved North & South! One of my favorites from way back when tv was good! Miss those days when they had so many great mini series on tv!
Exactly... your reply may be over 4 years old but it's still the same shitshow today...950 channels and nothing on... pfff
Garrett1974
You're joking right. This is a golden age for television shows. Some you need to stream but it is very easy to watch every one of them for free if you don't mind ripping off production companies. Forget American network TV, networks are only good for good resolution sports broadcasting. AMC, BBC, Showtime, HBO, Netflix, and Amazon have great series in production right now, others have recently ended. I suggest you watch Peaky Blinders, that's a great fucking show.
Agree. This plus Sharpe and Hornblower from 90's into early 00's are amongst my favourites. This show in particular aimed for a dynamic balance of perspectives that simply wouldn't be considered politically acceptable in todays charged environment because it isn't simplistic enough
L Broderick - Totally agree... *sigh*
Old fashioned TV was still good in the 80s and 90s. Free antenna TV in NYC had more than a few channels and the TV movies and miniseries were very good.
I have the whole series 1, 2, 3... i love this mini-series.. I was 12 when this came out and this I say Patrick S didn't get enough credit.. this scene one of my fav's~ TY FOR making it`
series 3 sucked cause Swayze wasnt in it
such a beautiful story
thanks for the upload, this made my day :)
Was it common for west point cadets before the civil war to have 1980's haircuts?
Those haircuts _transcend_ time.
These haircuts are actually quite appropriate for the 1840s-1850s.
@KaptKan1 A very accurate and thorough answer.
looking at pictures of the time there were plenty of Fabios and Swayzes in the 1860s at West Point- even beards.
"and long hair is STILL in style today as it has been throughout most of history."
Not in any professional setting. Not even in most sporting environments. But if you want to believe that your long blowy hair is the preferred choice, and that the only reason why upwards of 80% of men get haircuts is because they can't "pull it off" like you, go right ahead. We exist most clearly in our imaginations.
Bent was a great villain
Patrick Swayze. One of my favorite actors of all time. Where did the years go? You are missed.
Браво!
3:30 the moment when he could save his dignity by stoping the duel and aprove his oponent.
when Orry takes his hat off you know shit`s gonna get real.
My favorite 5 minutes in the entire series!
RIP Patrick.
@3:38 The Swayze always busting out with these crazy balete spin moves.
The bounce on that hair deserves an Oscar. Incredible.
Orry gave Bent a taste of his own medicine. Serves him right.
GREAT WORK from Phillip Casnoff and Patrick Swayze!
I still would have given him a "dueling scar", with the saber already in place, maybe .25 of a second after the drumroll began.
I love this show. I think it's the most accurate film depiction of what real life was like in this era.
In all my time in the Military, watching this video brings to mind a saying that A Marine Gunny once told me. "There is always a bigger and badder badass". amen.
thats 100% true .
"Mr Fisk, you hold your sabre like a ho, sir."
"What did you just call me?"
The character "Cadet Fisk" is the same "Major Fisk" that spares Orry Main's Mount Royal from being torched during Sherman's march through South Carolina in North and South, Book II.
Todd McIntyre ironic it got burned anyway
I don't think he knew it was Orry's home but I'm glad he spared it. :)
It wasn;t stated who owned the home, Bret only said that her husband was a Union soldier.
Bent underestimated Mr. Main.
You can tell by the look on Bent's face between 3:22 and 3:29, he's not happy about Main being able to fight back.
Yeah, you can tell that he's pretty ticked off.
Probably one of the most important events that added fire to Bent's already pre-existing hate of Orrey. Had to be incredibly embarrassing for Bent to lose the "duel".
funny how one keeps advancing while the other is dutifully retreating, and they just keep going that way until they reverse direction and do the same thing again.. until one of them decides he actually doesn't have to retreat, sidesteps instead, and wins the bout.
Orry was always my favourite character in North and South. Patrick Swayze you are not forgotten! RiP.
It's one of my fave scenes, too. :) Glad you like it.
Bprest1 can you do the battle scene of the Mexican American war please
Philip Casnoff was a highlight of this series!
Hiltibold aus Graz He did his part PERFECTLY!
The worse southern accent in the history of film.
railfan99 - That he did... he made me _despise_ him.
Candice's Choice - It was comical at times - like when he turned "whore" into a _2 syllable_ word.
Justin's accent was worse... pronouncing "house" & "south" as "hoose" & "sooth".
@@candiceschoice941 I liked his accent
As Scott hall said bad times do not last, bad guys do. I have more memories of bent and virgilia doing stuff to orry and George than the good things that happened in this series. I have the books, bent is even mote ruthless in the books, but the explaination is also there
One of the highlights of whole series don't you think?
his hair is unbeatable!!!
“Mr Mayne!” That guy was a great bad guy.
Dam, never seen this before, got to love the saber...
I always loved this scene
R.I.P. This brings memories.
bye
He was tasked to train unskilled farms's men but He's upset that untrained fram's men don't know how to fight, his logic's flawless.
When he who outclasses is in turn outclassed by another.
+DavidAkhter I believe it is a show of Karma, especially as Bent was smug about it and Main was more humble.
Once Swayze unleashes The Hair, no man is a match for him. Gone too soon!
"Tremble in fear before my flowing mane..."
Great book and super miniseries.
2:08, him putting on the gloves while saying "At your service sir" is one of the most pimp things I've ever seen
That is to protect the fighting hand. The left hand is held behind to help prevent it being sliced!
One of the great movies of all time!!!
Serves that Georgia peanut farmer right, challenging an upstanding Carolina gentleman.
Y'all got that right!
Thinking of Jimmy Carter
Very well worked out fight scene, but you could tell the bloke fell deliberately to give the late Patrick Swayze victory. :)
However, well done to both of them.
Their hats were so much smarter looking than the forage caps that were worn during the Civil War
Bent was such a great villain. Fine performance by Mr Casnoff.
i love these movie
That's what you call putting a spoiled bully in their place. Bent was soo cocky that he could win anything his stupidity was what cost him.
“Yes sah!”
Oh my stars, those poor swords would be wrecked by that treatment.
My favorite scene. Swayze will be missed. like how Casnoff was humiliated in this scene
Philip Casnoff. Wow!
sabre dueling is so awesome!
As opposed, presumably, to one of those really amicable duels.
"The point! The point! Use the point!" Napoleon Bonaparte.
you cant on a curved sword like that sorry napolean but we americans dont fight that way or the british i never saw the show but they arent not french
The first opponent is exposing his body to easily as he grips his sword with two hands. The second opponent makes his movements appear too obvious therefore throwing the cocky one off guard and hence delivering a humiliating defeat.
Pampered spoilt bully gets out bullied.
Bent was never pampered.
Or spoilt. He did have a massive chip on his shoulder.
Not pampered or spoiled. Just filled with hatred
@@vertrand8640 In the miniseries he might've been. Remember miniseries Bent is a lot different from book Bent who was a northerner from Ohio. Miniseries Bent was presumably brought up by an aristocratic family in Georgia that might've squandered their fortune and so his real father paid them to raise him.
One could imagine a more reasonable Bent going after fighitng Maine, "Your skill is... adequate; it might be worth all our time if you lead the swordsmanship drills while I attend to other matters."
I am guessing as a result of that humiliation from this fencing duel is when Bent really started to hate Orry, and wanted him dead.
And how.
I enjoyed this series when it ran.
*"Now Sir. Let's see if you can take it! As well as you 'pleasure' yourself, DISHING it OUT! Mr. Bent!"* Orry Main.
I hated Bent with a firey passion from hell.
I believe that was the whole idea, vis-a-vis how he was written.
Good for the script writer.
He was worse in the books. I like how the miniseries toned him down. Philip Casnoff will always be Elkanah Bent.
Yep. This is a best way to make your own enemy in the squad.
That was 100% pure adrenaline!
Some good actors in this scene.
There is such different swing between "real duel" and "sport duel" especially in sabre fencing today.
oliver maxemman while I couldn’t agree more, the fencing here wouldn’t be very useful in either.
As a lifelong, graceful & perfected dancer such swordplay undoubtedly came naturally to Patrick Swayze, as no doubt he learned quickly & easily. For basic dancing techniques can be smoothly channeled into all forms & styles of swordplay, as it's a natural conversion for which Swayze was intrinsically equipped & gifted. Great scene!