That is the standard corporate method of operations, while they are rewarded for the profits for their wealthiest stockholders with managerial bonuses in the millions. I grew up in the Eaton area and attended Marshall and PHS in the early '60s'. I know the area well, and by '72 I moved to NorCal. Up here we have PG&E...Pacific Graft and Extortion, those who gave us the Camp Fire. We have had three increases in 18 months, a 22 billion dollar profit, and a golden bonus for the CEO over a few million dollars, and they still can't take care of business.
Don't forget the planned shut offs during the hottest and coldest days of the year. Also remember Newsom wearing a hoodie while he told us to turn off our a/c.
I remember residents complaining at public meetings when power companies wanted to clear brush from right-of-ways saying they didn't want to loose "their trees". Then a few years later, the area was hit by a wildfire and it spread like crazy. Too many folks basing their decisions on emotions rather than logic.
Climate change weirdos live in a fantasy created in their own mind. And when everything hits the fan, they’re running around and blaming it on everyone else but it’s their own damn fault.
Agree environmentalist are also to blame in this. Clearing the forest is a good thing, but they worry about all the little creatures that might be living in the dead brush or trees and in the end, more is harmed rather than saved.
same with homelessness, we passed a bond measure to convert old abandoned hotels into housing for the homeless. When construction began, neighbors complained about it and they stopped. People bitch about homeless people, then they bitch about solutions.
Whew. Everyone is certainly beyond glad that Edison has been exonerated. And with an investigation so efficiently executed, it took practically no time at all!
Regardless of what initiated fire, dried dead debris should have been removed from powerlines and surrounding areas by poweline professionals. Shocking that they were not being monitored and cleaned especially during "annual" fire seasons with wind forecast. You cannot, shall not, just install/build something like powerlines without safety measures/protocols/policies/quality assurance/emergency procedures.
Brush is removed yearly near all power posts, but your dumb brain has to remember that wind is a factor too. Blowing sparks can travel. We have 3 power lines in our property and the county comes in and clears the area, but if you want it to be spotless, then you go do it then.
Because it's the same issue poor maintance and power companies not shutting done lines. In Hawaii they had to pay 4 Billion to cover lawsuits damages still had been over 6 billion. Gues we
I was a SCADA Technician, if there were any kind of problems with their equipment, there would be computer records. When your power blinks, they know it.
@@DylanWarburg Yes. Measuring equipment is sensitive down to the single cycle (0.167 seconds). But your question also implies there might be wire slap or wind blown dust that could have caused a short. Wire slap is pretty much not going to happen on those lines. They are designed for 100 mph gusts and more and there's no indication either during or after the incident that the wires (conductors) were slapping against each other. Wind blown dust isn't going to create a path for a short between conductors either and if you watch the videos it's not like it was a dust storm. The guy said his mother saw arcing on one of the towers. If there was, the measuring (monitoring) equipment definitely would have picked up on it. Also, if there was arcing up in the air that alone wouldn't start a fire at the base. Something like molten metal would have to have fallen down to ignite the brush. If that happened there definitely would be evidence of that on the towers. I'm trying to think of how these high voltage power lines could have started the fire and, other than a 30' long tree branch being blown up into the lines and perfectly hitting two lines at the same time, I'm not coming up with anything. I think we need to wait for the investigation to thoroughly look at everything. The Camp fire that burned down Paradise (PG&E) was caused by a high voltage power line falling to the ground. Much differen't story than here.
Southern California Edison was given Billions by the Governor to Insulate Power Lines I know because mine are! Yours were not why is the answer what did they do with the money and why did they not Insulate Eaton Canyons Power Lines. Insulation is proven to be 100 safe yes no matter what they tell you Insulation of Power Lines will not spark even if a tree is fallen. Where did the money go for Insulation of Power Lines. SCE is the worst company our power has been off for three days even though our lines are Insulated because they lump everyone together it does not matter that we have children elderly sick etc. Our power lines are Insulated were yours No they were not!!!!!!! Yes it matters!!!!!! It started your fire! Why is SCE still around Million's of Wildlife have been killed by them!
Palisades was reported starting by a backyard fire. The new one that started today was suspected arson, with one person being questioned. I'm unaware if that status has changed or not.
Not suspicious at all, fire officials are aware that 95% of fires in that area are started by humans. if we didn’t have once in a lifetime catastrophic weather events ever year it would have been different.
Majority of the major wildfires in CA are caused by powerlines so I'm 100% sure that was the cause. The infrastructures completely outdated and unsafe and they should've converted all lines to underground long long time ago. It's also the CA governments fault for not creating stricter guidelines and not funded the project.
@@rst9649 Hollywood stars are posting saying that several people have been arrested in their neighborhoods for starting fires. Arsonist are burning LA down to the ground. 85% of all wild fires are caused by ARSONIST. This is fact. Look up.
70 year old L A. native & never experienced winds like this week. The easements beneath power lines in SoCal used to be kept clear of vegetation for this exact reason.
They did shut off power, but people with generators were back-feeding and charging the lines. They're required to have protection that stops that from happening, so why aren't those homeowners just as culpable?
@@victorparker308 Yes, there used to be dozer lines and fire breaks cut all throughout the hills in the 80's and 90's. Then Democrats took over and stopped all of it to protect a rodent. Once again, they create a problem and then pat themselves on the backs for their (lack) of response, as they stuff their coffers with more taxpayer money.
In areas like this, it is a good idea if possible. One thing ppl must remember they live in a canyon valley that is often very dry now. There is always going to be dry brush. With very high winds, the dry conditions & high powerlines, there is great chance for sparks & rapidly spreading fires. Sometimes dry brush catches fire in high temperatures conditions.
Let me tell you, I have been thinking about that ever since I saw what they are paying. $750,000.00 per year! It is tempting to dress like a woman, head to Cali, and get into their politics. Hole Lee Hail.....
We have video footage of it starting under the power line towers as well. We've already sent it to multiple people for posterity. We witnessed the fire start from our front porch on Altadena Dr.
Look at videos of the remains of houses right on the ocean. Just like Lahaina, the cars are destroyed to an extreme degree, with liquified glass and aluminum that flowed over the pavement. This doesn’t happen in a natural wildfire. Where was the source of combustion to ignite the cars? Powerlines down, poles partially burnt where they were in contact with metal.
@@abc123fhdi I was commenting on other cars, I didn’t watch this one. The point is, a car has nothing that a few sparks blowing against it can ignite. There have been obvious and common anomalies in so-called wildfires that have been house- hungry since about 2015.
@@kathybradbury oh dear. You below chimp level thinking individual. You saw some news article and regurgitate it thinking you are smart. Learn proper research instead of getting the info on tiktok and facebook. Probably a republican too.
Cali laughed in Trumps face after Paradise in 2018 burned and he was saying stuff about raking their yards and because of his delivery of that message, they rathered not...
Solution: Run a "Continuity wire" on every powerline. If the continuity wire breaks, then automatically shut off the powerline... Then add "Arc detectors" that would do the same.
I was thinking the same thing.... Thank you for posting.... Worst case scenario if you know there's going to be strong winds cut the power off until the winds die.... Who's in charge? Can't we use common sense to stop this from happening
@@roberthoustan7476 When they rebuild, they should add "External Fire Sprinkler Systems"; Those on the ocean could actually use ocean water and pump stations for this purpose. The inland water supply should have backup generators so they can still pump when power is cut.
Mountainous rocky terrain requires overhead lines, or 20 times the cost per mile to go underground. Adding to that hundreds of distribution line owners that are not legally allowed to shut down their own equipment unless the state board deams it so. Being negligent in maintenance and/or intentionally installing sub standard equipment are the only possible liabilities power distribution opperators assume. PG&E lost many suit for proactively shutting off services after an earthquake. 10 years later, sued in Paradise for leaving the power on during high winds. 2 years later state mandates "Smart Grid" board, and takes all power away from opperators, and puts all control to state board
The neighbors need to take responsibility to clear the areas in question since the emergency crews are inundated at this time. It's not a matter of who should clear I buy do they want to save their homes. Once the crisis is over, then they can confront the authorities.
Those neighborhoods complain when there's forestry cutters or proscribed burns in their "backyards." Burns in those urban/wild boundaries are several years behind because someone always says NIMBY.
Interview Adam Carolla. He's been talking about underground power lines for years & CA put billions into non-profit homelessness (very little went to homeless)
I've been posting this was going to happen. It's called a laziness liberals you put the money in your pocket nuisances oh we'll discuss it within our city if you want funding you're going to discuss it with the world so get prepared
CA has refused to care for the forests for most of my lifetime. A hiking friend used to complain about wanting land to go back to nature and 5 years later bitching they could no longer hike his forest areas due to overgrowth.
The power grid should all be underground, but the argument is, potentially no one could afford electricity because of the cost. Now, it's too late and it's costing anyway.
It's easy to say the answer is to put the power grid underground. But it is just not that easy. The cost of all of this is nothing compared to the cost and maintenance of underground power grids. Let's not forget California sits atop an active and known high tension fault line. Do you really want your power lines underground where every earthquake causes a multi week power outage. Let's not even go into maintaining underground lines when you have a city built on top of it. There is a real reason why most power lines are aboveground. In this case and in most states, you actively do brush management around the lines. Heck, I live in the middle of the forest and the power company each years does preventive maintenance on the lines. Cleaning all the brush and trees under the lines, checking all the lines and convertors and breakoffs to make sure they are in good condition. They spend upwards of a million + each year doing this to help reduce the chance of fires happening. The problem with CA is that they have active laws and regulations that prevent the power companies from doing this type of work. You can't clear the brush out because a rare prairie dog might being living near it, or a rare lizard could live there. Its plain stupid to make regulations like that, that prevents doing preventive work and then turn around and blame the company for causing the accident.
@@Toom316 I really appreciate your insightful well thought out answer. I still think by the 22nd century our power grid had actually better be completely underground, and powered by renewables. If electrical engineers can wire a skyscraper they can certainly wire America. Very few people have the vision for such a national project (focusing on Mars instead) but such an important one when it comes to acclimating to the current climate "Cycles."
@@punkagrrlzero that's what they said to the railroad Barrons of the 18th Century, but you can ride a train the whole way across America today. Some people have vision and ambition for the human species, some have the giggles.
The timing is important. It occurred around diner time when the load is likely ramping up quickly. Look to the operation of the transmission line; was it overloaded within that time-frame?
Homeless suspect arrested. Found, detained in Woodland Hills by neighbors. Person had a torch on bike. Was talking about burning things. That's neighbors, witness testimony, local station. LA has a bad issue with homeless and junkies causing fires. Check LAFD records. Downed lines and arson etc can be possible. More than one possibility.
Swiss Cheese model for safety was alive and well here and we know the results. This isn’t the first time California has had these type of winds. Ask why power companies spend more to run ads about global warming and not clearing brush or trimming trees. Ask why power wasn’t cut to avoid sparking and fires. Ask why state water management failed to have water to fight fire. Ask why, during known high winds, fire rig and personnel were not prepositioned? Ask why the LAFD Chief doesn’t have staffing at the correct levels? Ask why the state rewrote insurance laws. Ask why the state gov spent billions of illegals instead of fire protection? Ask where families will live, kids will attend school, how builders will rebuild and where building supplies will come from? Ask how many insurance companies will pay full claims or how many will seek bankruptcy to avoid payments.
This is exactly why the power lines are underground as Paradise slowly rebuilds. Even roads are being reconfigured if another major fire hits the area. Problem is the utility compiled have been lax in keeping their equipment updated, keeping trees out of power lines, etc. It is time all power lines be underground when possible. This may help reduce the wildfire danger. Plus turning off the power during extreme wind events also help.
We lost power (thankfully) until this morning in an adjacent county and had a mandatory shut off warning but lost power due to trees on lines in our area (not a shut off!!!) this will keep happening until SoCal Edison is REQUIRED to BURY THEIR LINES but they pass the expense to CONSUMERS not their CEOS. Then the insurance companies will bail on these people, it's a no win situation regardless. REGULATE THE POWER COMPANIES!!!!
I evacuated for Eaton Fire and want this evidence publicized as widely as possible. I work with utilities and it is worth noting that a power line does not have to fall to the ground to start a fire. Arcing between power lines can occur when there is dust in the air or when lines stretch and swing close to each other in high winds. These arcs then drop tiny fragments of molten metal (sparks) or burning debris to the ground.
High winds of 50 mph on mount charleston in Nevada meant power was cut for 3 days for all residents. Interesting how 100 mph winds here were seen as safe for power draws
Replay yours and every other California weather report from last year’s atmospheric river events. Every one , every time opened with , “ Folks , this rain is nice , but we’re going to pay for this when the vegetation grows and we enter another fire season .” It’s January. No water system could have delivered enough water to stop a fire in 80-100 mph winds at entire blocks . The triple digits is where nature has become landowner again. It’s like house with 8 bathrooms, you have them but can you actually turn all 8 on AND flush every toilet, plus water the lawn , fill the pool , etc.??? No highway system can deal with everyone leaving at once . Enter a canyon on a hike or drive and you at risk for flood , fire or landslides. Build and live in a canyon and well , expect bad to someday happen . Build sprawling housing developments with a maze of intersections so you maximize profits per foot and you saw the results. Less than 2 dozen deaths is a miracle and shows some serious work was done . Underground high tension across those canyons in earthquake country? Yeah right . Those same developers built up north and we see the fires in eastern Washington towns burn as those human made ember farms turn on when man makes a mistake.
Maybe why 1.5 million people recently left california and CA is #50(that's last) of people moving into the state!!!!! Fire Insurance left as well!!!!!!
I know a couple who lost their house in Altadena & one of them told me on Tuesday night that a downed power line via the mega-high winds started that whole fire, i don't know what all this mystification's about.
Oh stop looking to blame the State........its a big complicated State that many keep bashing us and looking for reasons like Trump/GOP and crew to make things even harder. IT SHOULD BE LOCALS...........not waiting for the State to do it all......
I don’t hear DonOLD crying about or screaming about the electric company not doing their job. They should be accountable for rebuilding all those people’s homes.
Some stupid people don’t realize Trump is not President until 20 Jan! When he was President he told Newsome how to fix the problem and he ignored him . Serious IQ problem in lame DemoRats.
@@bsr6823 it's totally stupid. We have workers that clear the brush and limbs from our power lines for that very reason. I know they have a different climate than where I live and different forest but this is poor management with the cutting of the budget and lack of forward maintenance
What's good about your house still standing when you have nothing around you.. no store, no food, no neighbors and probably no power. You still have to go 🤷🏾
The east gets snow and power lines fall, but don't start fires. It's usually sunny in Cali and almost no rainfall, and seasonal rip roaring winds. Elevated power lines present a clear and present danger. The grid is 150 years old.
This story sounds familiar. Funny the people in Lahaina have been trying to get media attention for over a year but media has been hiding their findings. Why is this?
Our electric grid is a MASS of extension cords criss-crossing over such a massive area, that is prone to massive 100 mph windstorms every year since the early 1900's. We have had 125 years to start burying lines. Now we should make Solar mandatory. End the greed of these power companies. 😮
And power company bills skyrocket to cover the risk of servicing CA. Honestly I’m surprised any company wants to give CA power, considering it’s forestry management.
Powerlines need to be underground in all at risk communities. No state and local fire prevention policies including regular brush clearance should have been implemented years ago. Lack of infrastructure investment is a reason the fires have been so damaging.
With the distance that power of wind was pushing embers, they would've had to clear the entire landscape of brush for miles for that approach to have helped here. And it still likely would've spread to structures even without the brush aspect. Well-intended comment, but wholly unrealistic given the abnormality and extremity of this particular weather event. (ALSO, not enough vegetation, and you're going to get mudslides and *other* disasters. It's not as simple as some people are making it out to be.)
Translation: SCE customers, your electric rate will skyrocket to pay fines and lawsuits.
We already get outrageous rates! Unbelievable! Used to be a monthly average of $70 a month, now, , , close to $300 month. 🥹😢😢😮💨🥴😤
It's a government land grab the majority will not be back. Interesting how Newscum made it illegal to be homeless though last year right?
That is the standard corporate method of operations, while they are rewarded for the profits for their wealthiest stockholders with managerial bonuses in the millions. I grew up in the Eaton area and attended Marshall and PHS in the early '60s'. I know the area well, and by '72 I moved to NorCal. Up here we have PG&E...Pacific Graft and Extortion, those who gave us the Camp Fire. We have had three increases in 18 months, a 22 billion dollar profit, and a golden bonus for the CEO over a few million dollars, and they still can't take care of business.
Don't forget the planned shut offs during the hottest and coldest days of the year.
Also remember Newsom wearing a hoodie while he told us to turn off our a/c.
nope - laws already in place that only allow them to raise their rates a certain % each year - yes, of course, they raise them that amount every year
I remember residents complaining at public meetings when power companies wanted to clear brush from right-of-ways saying they didn't want to loose "their trees". Then a few years later, the area was hit by a wildfire and it spread like crazy. Too many folks basing their decisions on emotions rather than logic.
Climate change weirdos live in a fantasy created in their own mind. And when everything hits the fan, they’re running around and blaming it on everyone else but it’s their own damn fault.
Agree environmentalist are also to blame in this. Clearing the forest is a good thing, but they worry about all the little creatures that might be living in the dead brush or trees and in the end, more is harmed rather than saved.
same with homelessness, we passed a bond measure to convert old abandoned hotels into housing for the homeless. When construction began, neighbors complained about it and they stopped. People bitch about homeless people, then they bitch about solutions.
It’s the democrat way.
Democrats think with emotions rather than brains.
Edison: we have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing
CA Government: But we need a scapegoat.
Whew. Everyone is certainly beyond glad that Edison has been exonerated. And with an investigation so efficiently executed, it took practically no time at all!
@@Edgar063jia they are even quicker with their investigation
@@eddie8765 😆
No statement is "those power lines were de energized!"
Regardless of what initiated fire, dried dead debris should have been removed from powerlines and surrounding areas by poweline professionals. Shocking that they were not being monitored and cleaned especially during "annual" fire seasons with wind forecast. You cannot, shall not, just install/build something like powerlines without safety measures/protocols/policies/quality assurance/emergency procedures.
There goes the dumb trumptards! Spewing his same bullsh$t!
Who's going to pay for it? I know I complained when they raise the rates 😂
@@user-sy1kj3lw6dsame people who payed for Ukraine
100% Correct
Brush is removed yearly near all power posts, but your dumb brain has to remember that wind is a factor too. Blowing sparks can travel. We have 3 power lines in our property and the county comes in and clears the area, but if you want it to be spotless, then you go do it then.
It was reported at 6pm, and the voltage exploded because of the wind. We saw it in our window by 6:15.
Said the same thing in Lahaina....
Yeah!!!
Exactly 💯 Precent is what they said. History is repeating itself!
@@lyndahargis8495Libtards want the land in both cases.
Same in Oregon. It’s just so upsetting
Because it's the same issue poor maintance and power companies not shutting done lines.
In Hawaii they had to pay 4 Billion to cover lawsuits damages still had been over 6 billion.
Gues we
I was a SCADA Technician, if there were any kind of problems with their equipment, there would be computer records. When your power blinks, they know it.
I was in that field many many years ago. You’re right.
Is this true even if is a very short duration arc from wire slap or wind-blown dust?
@@DylanWarburg down to the split second. _any_ deviations are logged.
@@DylanWarburg Yes. Measuring equipment is sensitive down to the single cycle (0.167 seconds). But your question also implies there might be wire slap or wind blown dust that could have caused a short. Wire slap is pretty much not going to happen on those lines. They are designed for 100 mph gusts and more and there's no indication either during or after the incident that the wires (conductors) were slapping against each other. Wind blown dust isn't going to create a path for a short between conductors either and if you watch the videos it's not like it was a dust storm. The guy said his mother saw arcing on one of the towers. If there was, the measuring (monitoring) equipment definitely would have picked up on it. Also, if there was arcing up in the air that alone wouldn't start a fire at the base. Something like molten metal would have to have fallen down to ignite the brush. If that happened there definitely would be evidence of that on the towers. I'm trying to think of how these high voltage power lines could have started the fire and, other than a 30' long tree branch being blown up into the lines and perfectly hitting two lines at the same time, I'm not coming up with anything. I think we need to wait for the investigation to thoroughly look at everything. The Camp fire that burned down Paradise (PG&E) was caused by a high voltage power line falling to the ground. Much differen't story than here.
The way that wind was, gusting to 99Mph, but blowing 45 to 75, I suspected it was something like this. Bet Palisades was trees on wires, too.
Southern California Edison was given Billions by the Governor to Insulate Power Lines I know because mine are! Yours were not why is the answer what did they do with the money and why did they not Insulate Eaton Canyons Power Lines. Insulation is proven to be 100 safe yes no matter what they tell you Insulation of Power Lines will not spark even if a tree is fallen. Where did the money go for Insulation of Power Lines. SCE is the worst company our power has been off for three days even though our lines are Insulated because they lump everyone together it does not matter that we have children elderly sick etc. Our power lines are Insulated were yours No they were not!!!!!!! Yes it matters!!!!!! It started your fire! Why is SCE still around Million's of Wildlife have been killed by them!
Palisades was reported starting by a backyard fire. The new one that started today was suspected arson, with one person being questioned. I'm unaware if that status has changed or not.
Or a homeless camp in the hills.
@@duckman5274 I don't think homeless camp is even allowed in Palisades hills. I mean it's a gated community up there.
Doesn't wind put out fire?, like in campsite, we protect fire from even small wind
This is more believable whereas the other two are very suspicious.
85% of all Wild fires are started by ARSONIST. In Cali any time the Santa Ann winds blow all these fires start all over the place.
Not suspicious at all, fire officials are aware that 95% of fires in that area are started by humans. if we didn’t have once in a lifetime catastrophic weather events ever year it would have been different.
Some people are dumbed down enough to believe it.
Majority of the major wildfires in CA are caused by powerlines so I'm 100% sure that was the cause. The infrastructures completely outdated and unsafe and they should've converted all lines to underground long long time ago. It's also the CA governments fault for not creating stricter guidelines and not funded the project.
@@rst9649 Hollywood stars are posting saying that several people have been arrested in their neighborhoods for starting fires. Arsonist are burning LA down to the ground.
85% of all wild fires are caused by ARSONIST. This is fact. Look up.
The windiest day in a decade and we don't have a public safety power outage???
They shut the electricity off to the pumps that provide water to the hydrants. Gavin said that
70 year old L A. native & never experienced winds like this week. The easements beneath power lines in SoCal used to be kept clear of vegetation for this exact reason.
IKR
They did shut off power, but people with generators were back-feeding and charging the lines. They're required to have protection that stops that from happening, so why aren't those homeowners just as culpable?
@@victorparker308 Yes, there used to be dozer lines and fire breaks cut all throughout the hills in the 80's and 90's. Then Democrats took over and stopped all of it to protect a rodent. Once again, they create a problem and then pat themselves on the backs for their (lack) of response, as they stuff their coffers with more taxpayer money.
This is just one more reason to put power lines underground.
Exactly, in many of our towns they are underground and only on ground in rural areas and small towns
The power company has wanted to do that for years BUT...Tree huggers.
Not necessarily
Or shut them down during hurricane-force winds.
In areas like this, it is a good idea if possible. One thing ppl must remember they live in a canyon valley that is often very dry now. There is always going to be dry brush.
With very high winds, the dry conditions & high powerlines, there is great chance for sparks & rapidly spreading fires. Sometimes dry brush catches fire in high temperatures conditions.
How much would have been saved if the county placed a herd of rent a goats out there?
Turns out they paid $750,000.00 per year to a Water Chief in pp,California
Let me tell you, I have been thinking about that ever since I saw what they are paying. $750,000.00 per year! It is tempting to dress like a woman, head to Cali, and get into their politics. Hole Lee Hail.....
We have video footage of it starting under the power line towers as well. We've already sent it to multiple people for posterity. We witnessed the fire start from our front porch on Altadena Dr.
I hope you and your family are safe.
Really hope you and your family are ok.
That must have been shocking to see. Is there any chance you’d share the video?
Did you upload it on RUclips? You should!
A company that monitors the power grids said thst their instruments detected a surge in the antiquated power grid just before the fires started.
Same as Lahaina fire in Maui. Extraordinarily High winds blew down power lines in Lahaina and sparks lit extremely dry vegetation.
Look at videos of the remains of houses right on the ocean. Just like Lahaina, the cars are destroyed to an extreme degree, with liquified glass and aluminum that flowed over the pavement. This doesn’t happen in a natural wildfire. Where was the source of combustion to ignite the cars? Powerlines down, poles partially burnt where they were in contact with metal.
@@kathybradbury the fuel in the gas tank caused an explosion after the car caught on fire.
@@abc123fhdi I was commenting on other cars, I didn’t watch this one. The point is, a car has nothing that a few sparks blowing against it can ignite. There have been obvious and common anomalies in so-called wildfires that have been house- hungry since about 2015.
@@kathybradbury oh dear. You below chimp level thinking individual. You saw some news article and regurgitate it thinking you are smart. Learn proper research instead of getting the info on tiktok and facebook. Probably a republican too.
Cali laughed in Trumps face after Paradise in 2018 burned and he was saying stuff about raking their yards and because of his delivery of that message, they rathered not...
Solution: Run a "Continuity wire" on every powerline. If the continuity wire breaks, then automatically shut off the powerline... Then add "Arc detectors" that would do the same.
I was thinking the same thing.... Thank you for posting.... Worst case scenario if you know there's going to be strong winds cut the power off until the winds die.... Who's in charge? Can't we use common sense to stop this from happening
@@roberthoustan7476 When they rebuild, they should add "External Fire Sprinkler Systems"; Those on the ocean could actually use ocean water and pump stations for this purpose. The inland water supply should have backup generators so they can still pump when power is cut.
They can detect line voltage anomalies. Someone should have turned it off. Was the night shift supervisor on vacation or something?
interesting
Sounds like a very good idea. Hope these matters are being discussed with the Power Company.
Mountainous rocky terrain requires overhead lines, or 20 times the cost per mile to go underground. Adding to that hundreds of distribution line owners that are not legally allowed to shut down their own equipment unless the state board deams it so. Being negligent in maintenance and/or intentionally installing sub standard equipment are the only possible liabilities power distribution opperators assume. PG&E lost many suit for proactively shutting off services after an earthquake. 10 years later, sued in Paradise for leaving the power on during high winds. 2 years later state mandates "Smart Grid" board, and takes all power away from opperators, and puts all control to state board
Strong winds faster than 100 miles an hours knocked the power line down
Ok...what about the outher 7 fires
Some of those may have been due to strong farts
Democrats spontaneously combusting being of the election started them.
Blame utility company?
Same strategy from maui
That's what they did in that Northern California fire a couple of yeard back. IIRC, it was the Camp fire and PG & E got sued bigtime.
@@hallmobility and then their equipment caused a number of other fires in the ensuing years
The neighbors need to take responsibility to clear the areas in question since the emergency crews are inundated at this time. It's not a matter of who should clear I buy do they want to save their homes. Once the crisis is over, then they can confront the authorities.
Well said!! No personal responsibility anymore.
Those neighborhoods complain when there's forestry cutters or proscribed burns in their "backyards." Burns in those urban/wild boundaries are several years behind because someone always says NIMBY.
In Cali. That's illegal to remove the debris.
Illegal to what might save lives? 🥴
Always blame the Power company and sue for bilions.
Expect power bills to skyrocket again! 😮😮😮
Edison's equipment didn't cause the fire, just like PG&E's equipment didn't cause more than 30 fires. See you in court Edison! Karma is ever so sweet.
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Yup whatever they say, believe the opposite
Oh yeah but fox, trump, and tik tok are the arbiters of truth right?
Yes don't believe your lying eyes.
Interview Adam Carolla. He's been talking about underground power lines for years & CA put billions into non-profit homelessness (very little went to homeless)
Money went to a lot of things in a city that size, but you focus on the homeless? That's why there was a fire?
@stx82 don't forget about the dei hires they forgot they need to work
@stx82 they be wishing for that Ukraine money now. Cuz we ain't printing more !
Nope. Not falling for this excuse!! I lived in Altadena CA! Lahaina ring a bell??? PARADISE CALIFORNIA, TALENT OREGON RING A BELL!!
Can’t they put wires underground? Why does the energy company not turn off electricity when windy like SDGE in San Diego now ?
You mean like in Hawaii?
That is Lahaina in Maui - yes one of the islands that had the horrendous fire not that long ago.
I've been posting this was going to happen. It's called a laziness liberals you put the money in your pocket nuisances oh we'll discuss it within our city if you want funding you're going to discuss it with the world so get prepared
not sure I'm believing it
Bullshit.
There's literally videos of the fire starting under the power pole genius.
CA has refused to care for the forests for most of my lifetime. A hiking friend used to complain about wanting land to go back to nature and 5 years later bitching they could no longer hike his forest areas due to overgrowth.
The power grid should all be underground, but the argument is, potentially no one could afford electricity because of the cost. Now, it's too late and it's costing anyway.
This will not stop wildfires.
😂😂😂 so you don't understand anything about mountains.
It's easy to say the answer is to put the power grid underground. But it is just not that easy. The cost of all of this is nothing compared to the cost and maintenance of underground power grids. Let's not forget California sits atop an active and known high tension fault line. Do you really want your power lines underground where every earthquake causes a multi week power outage. Let's not even go into maintaining underground lines when you have a city built on top of it.
There is a real reason why most power lines are aboveground. In this case and in most states, you actively do brush management around the lines. Heck, I live in the middle of the forest and the power company each years does preventive maintenance on the lines. Cleaning all the brush and trees under the lines, checking all the lines and convertors and breakoffs to make sure they are in good condition. They spend upwards of a million + each year doing this to help reduce the chance of fires happening. The problem with CA is that they have active laws and regulations that prevent the power companies from doing this type of work. You can't clear the brush out because a rare prairie dog might being living near it, or a rare lizard could live there. Its plain stupid to make regulations like that, that prevents doing preventive work and then turn around and blame the company for causing the accident.
@@Toom316 I really appreciate your insightful well thought out answer.
I still think by the 22nd century our power grid had actually better be completely underground, and powered by renewables.
If electrical engineers can wire a skyscraper they can certainly wire America.
Very few people have the vision for such a national project (focusing on Mars instead) but such an important one when it comes to acclimating to the current climate "Cycles."
@@punkagrrlzero that's what they said to the railroad Barrons of the 18th Century, but you can ride a train the whole way across America today. Some people have vision and ambition for the human species, some have the giggles.
Cant wait to go full electric here in California
And how I that going to help?
DEFUND PG&E!!
A down power line should be accurate to determine the cause. Still suspicious about Sylmar and Palisades.
Let me guess… they’re going to jack up PG&E to pay for everything?! 🤔
Not pge area call maybe Southern California Edison.
Of course! Migrants and homeless people don't have billions of dollars to sue for.
I had nothing to do with it!
Do time for arson?
no fire for edison's equipment
It is time to get rid of electricity in Cali! They have all that sun leave them with independent solar systems.
You're not wrong. PG&E has blocked anyone from doing this in the name of profit.
These people's got to tell people's anything to cover up everything
Shut off all electric power forever. Problem solved.
Ban all assault vehicles including bicycles!
The timing is important. It occurred around diner time when the load is likely ramping up quickly. Look to the operation of the transmission line; was it overloaded within that time-frame?
I love what the man said “ clear it or expect what happened “ . That’s what I say but I know it’s hard to swallow when your home just burnt down.
Body language says otherwise
This makes more sense than arson.
Wildfires happen, especially when our eco defenses are down, like having dry brush everywhere.
LAFD has stated on camera the vast majority of the fire calls they receive are started in homeless camps.
They arrested a guy trying to start houses on fire with a yellow map gas bottle...
Homeless suspect arrested. Found, detained in Woodland Hills by neighbors.
Person had a torch on bike. Was talking about burning things.
That's neighbors, witness testimony, local station.
LA has a bad issue with homeless and junkies causing fires.
Check LAFD records. Downed lines and arson etc can be possible.
More than one possibility.
@@aintrunnin6608They let him out immediately despite multiple witnesses.
@ aintrunnin6608 The police said today the guy is not a suspect.
Swiss Cheese model for safety was alive and well here and we know the results.
This isn’t the first time California has had these type of winds.
Ask why power companies spend more to run ads about global warming and not clearing brush or trimming trees.
Ask why power wasn’t cut to avoid sparking and fires.
Ask why state water management failed to have water to fight fire.
Ask why, during known high winds, fire rig and personnel were not prepositioned?
Ask why the LAFD Chief doesn’t have staffing at the correct levels?
Ask why the state rewrote insurance laws.
Ask why the state gov spent billions of illegals instead of fire protection?
Ask where families will live, kids will attend school, how builders will rebuild and where building supplies will come from?
Ask how many insurance companies will pay full claims or how many will seek bankruptcy to avoid payments.
Looking for a deep pocket, surprising it took this long!
This is exactly why the power lines are underground as Paradise slowly rebuilds. Even roads are being reconfigured if another major fire hits the area. Problem is the utility compiled have been lax in keeping their equipment updated, keeping trees out of power lines, etc. It is time all power lines be underground when possible. This may help reduce the wildfire danger. Plus turning off the power during extreme wind events also help.
Grass Valley here... you all have the luxury to bury, we do not. Mountains and all.
Reality is stranger and more boring than fiction ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We lost power (thankfully) until this morning in an adjacent county and had a mandatory shut off warning but lost power due to trees on lines in our area (not a shut off!!!) this will keep happening until SoCal Edison is REQUIRED to BURY THEIR LINES but they pass the expense to CONSUMERS not their CEOS. Then the insurance companies will bail on these people, it's a no win situation regardless. REGULATE THE POWER COMPANIES!!!!
I evacuated for Eaton Fire and want this evidence publicized as widely as possible. I work with utilities and it is worth noting that a power line does not have to fall to the ground to start a fire. Arcing between power lines can occur when there is dust in the air or when lines stretch and swing close to each other in high winds. These arcs then drop tiny fragments of molten metal (sparks) or burning debris to the ground.
And here we go......
High winds of 50 mph on mount charleston in Nevada meant power was cut for 3 days for all residents. Interesting how 100 mph winds here were seen as safe for power draws
Replay yours and every other California weather report from last year’s atmospheric river events.
Every one , every time opened with ,
“ Folks , this rain is nice , but we’re going to pay for this when the vegetation grows and we enter another fire season .”
It’s January.
No water system could have delivered enough water to stop a fire in 80-100 mph winds at entire blocks .
The triple digits is where nature has become landowner again.
It’s like house with 8 bathrooms, you have them but can you actually turn all 8 on AND flush every toilet, plus water the lawn , fill the pool , etc.???
No highway system can deal with everyone leaving at once .
Enter a canyon on a hike or drive and you at risk for flood , fire or landslides.
Build and live in a canyon and well , expect bad to someday happen .
Build sprawling housing developments with a maze of intersections so you maximize profits per foot and you saw the results.
Less than 2 dozen deaths is a miracle and shows some serious work was done .
Underground high tension across those canyons in earthquake country?
Yeah right .
Those same developers built up north and we see the fires in eastern Washington towns burn as those human made ember farms turn on when man makes a mistake.
They really need to fix power lines everywhere because this is the second uncontrollable fire created by downed power lines.
C'om maaan you know the THING, it was purposely set on fire..
Arsonist did it! There's been reports of arrests.
Different fire.
They let him go says no evidence he did...
And maybe caused by a poweline coming down as a result of the pole burning in a fire started by a homeless arsonist…
At 6am?
In a canyon, with 100 mile per hour winds?
Maybe why 1.5 million people recently left california and CA is #50(that's last) of people moving into the state!!!!! Fire Insurance left as well!!!!!!
I know a couple who lost their house in Altadena & one of them told me on Tuesday night that a downed power line via the mega-high winds started that whole fire, i don't know what all this mystification's about.
I AM sure that they are going to " BUILD IT ,BACK , BETTER . " 15 MIN CITIES here they COME!!!!!
Correlation doesn't not equal causation
Yep. I saw it feom my work in Rowland Heights around 11pm. Looked like part of the sky was on fire. Crazy looking zig zag formation
Thats not normal DEW sparking...
Sounds like another case of " Not my fault ".
Why dont they put those.lines undwrground aince those winds are so common.
California voted for the power lines to be buried 10 YEARS AGO but Gov Gavin Gruesome DIDNT FO IT!!
Those are the main transmission lines. You can't run those underground in that area.
Mountains. That's why.
Coincedentally this occured at exactly the same time as Palisades and Hurst fires.
If PGE shut power off they scream....now that it has burnt out the power under ground
State officials failed California
Oh stop looking to blame the State........its a big complicated State that many keep bashing us and looking for reasons like Trump/GOP and crew to make things even harder. IT SHOULD BE LOCALS...........not waiting for the State to do it all......
This man makes a HUGE POINT good for him for pointing it out!
Very true, they do not take care of EATON Canyon as much as they should!
I don’t hear DonOLD crying about or screaming about the electric company not doing their job. They should be accountable for rebuilding all those people’s homes.
Some stupid people don’t realize Trump is not President until 20 Jan! When he was President he told Newsome how to fix the problem and he ignored him . Serious IQ problem in lame DemoRats.
So, arson theory isn't the case here?
The photo/video evidence speaks for itself. Should have been a priority, near heavily populated areas, to get power lines under the ground.
what evidence?
Stop being dumb. We can't bury lines in mountains.
Fake news
The whole state has no land management. My friend in Orange said the rolling hills have very tall dead, dry, grass which was making them nervous.
Un freaking believable, they put overhead powerlines in such a place with debris and brush all over underneath?! Ridiculous levels of negligence!
@@bsr6823 it's totally stupid. We have workers that clear the brush and limbs from our power lines for that very reason. I know they have a different climate than where I live and different forest but this is poor management with the cutting of the budget and lack of forward maintenance
Is it still PG&E? They get away with murder.
@@rebeccagraves3137 lack of maintenance despite promises by Newsom.
Luckily PG&E received a massive bailout a month prior to the fires from grandpa Joe
Power lines in the hills ok, but in the residential area in the valley above ground incomprehensible; especially in such a rich neighborhood.
What's good about your house still standing when you have nothing around you.. no store, no food, no neighbors and probably no power. You still have to go 🤷🏾
Would not release video….hmmmm
SoCal Edison said they don’t believe their equipment had anything to do with it. That’s a bold statement. But I guess anyone can think.
Hey, “we can not afford to clear the brush”. we needed to safeguard c-suite bonuses
CA should be putting $ into upgrading power lines instead of wasting $ on wind turbines!!!!!
The east gets snow and power lines fall, but don't start fires. It's usually sunny in Cali and almost no rainfall, and seasonal rip roaring winds. Elevated power lines present a clear and present danger. The grid is 150 years old.
This story sounds familiar. Funny the people in Lahaina have been trying to get media attention for over a year but media has been hiding their findings. Why is this?
Our electric grid is a MASS of extension cords criss-crossing over such a massive area, that is prone to massive 100 mph windstorms every year since the early 1900's. We have had 125 years to start burying lines. Now we should make Solar mandatory. End the greed of these power companies. 😮
This is what happens when the power company spends more on renewables than exsisting infustracture.
Take down the wires. Put underground wiring way way safer
There is no creator, but Hollywood does not threaten the creator.😂😂😂😂😂😂
I believe they ,most of them, were started by the homeless living in the canyon. There were many of them hopefully they got out
Simply bury the cables underground instead to prevent these fires, but these greedy power companies refuse to pay extra money to do so.
Did the call the police when saw the fire
And power company bills skyrocket to cover the risk of servicing CA. Honestly I’m surprised any company wants to give CA power, considering it’s forestry management.
That's what they said about Hawaii
Powerlines need to be underground in all at risk communities. No state and local fire prevention policies including regular brush clearance should have been implemented years ago. Lack of infrastructure investment is a reason the fires have been so damaging.
Yeah Thats What They Said About The Hawaii Fire!!!
So each fire was started by a different method or source, all simultaneously. Oh. Okay.
Terrorist playing with matches?
So this whole thing is exactly like Maui. Even the plans to build a 15 minute city. Literally genocide.
Only in California where disaster either man made or natural is a constant occurrence
Forgive me if i dont believe anything these people say.
With the distance that power of wind was pushing embers, they would've had to clear the entire landscape of brush for miles for that approach to have helped here. And it still likely would've spread to structures even without the brush aspect. Well-intended comment, but wholly unrealistic given the abnormality and extremity of this particular weather event. (ALSO, not enough vegetation, and you're going to get mudslides and *other* disasters. It's not as simple as some people are making it out to be.)