A fine example of reading too much into something. Its not a knock on you but on the artistry of film making. I saw 1 director's commentary where he said "whenever there's chicken in the scene, the truth is being told. If there's no chicken, the things being said aren't true." I was like "How tf we supposed to figure that out???" Struck me as so stupid. But art be art. Art has its place, but like many things, it gets stupid sometimes.
You could be on to something. DreamWorks just omitted it... Maybe there was banter across the court but Pixar made a joke out of it... Though they still ended up animating a lot of cape scenes by putting the joke & coincidental ending
I always thought that was a throwback to The Watchman, how Dollar Bill died with their cape caught on a revolving door. I've seen characters like Batman use capes to confuse attackers into missing their body when shooting.
@@casongriffeWoah, I almost never see that word used to describe a character as male 😮. Or did you mean anthropomorphic? Either way I hadn't seen that word used for a while lol.
The only difference being that real-time simulation of a long piece of cloth hanging from the shoulder of a man that runs, jumps, glides,crouches and rolls is much,much more complex than animating a simply draped cape in a small cat for a few scenes of a movie.
Something I also noticed is that in some renderings of him Puss in Boots's whiskers are shaped like a mustache, but in the movie he just has normal whiskers
@@-imgonnarexit-12349 I don’t think that was the point of it if they were already struggling to animate the movie. It’s probably more accurate to say that they just leaned into it.
@@AppleShineWC Not compared to now but it was groundbreaking for the time. And don't forget that Pixar had been making short films and pioneering that technology since the 1980s.
@@AppleShineWC If you think the original Toy Story was scary, check out the baby from their “Tin Toy” short they made in 1988. It’s pure nightmare fuel.
What bothered me was how Shrek caught Puss so quickly and he just accepted his defeat. He literally faught Death in his second solo movie! My point is that how was he even hired to do a job he couldn't do? But I admit maybe he was more used to fighting humans then so not a bad contradiction. It was just weird to me.
@Delta1987I believe so; besides, at the end of The Last Wish, Puss alludes to “old friends” right before the camera pans to show the Far Far Away sign, which kinda implies this movie took place after the main Shrek flicks
That also happen in the opening scene of the first Puss in Boots when Puss wears his cape but when he finally escapes the old man that he's fighting earlier leaving nothing but his cape behind for no damn reason at all, the posters and dvd covers of every Shrek movie lied to everyone thinking that Puss wears his cape in the entire Shrek franchise
I believe PIXAR was much ahead of Dreamworks at this time, because, even in the Incredibles, they managed to animate a decent amount of characters with capes quite well and consistently (e.g. Syndrome, who is a major character throughout the film, and also the various heroes in Edna's flashbacks) my guess is that the filmmakers just didn't like capes put on the main characters.
Remember, he also wears the cape for some time during Shrek 4 and for the beginning of Puss 1. He wears it in the intro for the Puss in Boots Tv Show. Of course he wears the cape in Puss 2.
That’s honestly a really smart way to get rid of it without the audience figuring out why at first. As opposed to just randomly not animating it, they had him take it off.
He never wears a cape again because it was either incredibly hard to animate or something. There are several articles about how difficult it was for the animators and they deliberately had him immediately throw it off and never come back.
It's most definitely the case. Imagine them having to account for the cape's texture, the way light and shadow bounces off of it, weight distribution with Puss's dynamic movement, the shadow it casts on objects around Puss, blur, wrinkles, fur that sticks to it, imperfections like dirt, stains etc, how those imperfections, wrinkles and fur affect light and shadow casted, there's wind, how strong and how does it flow against Puss's movements, and mind you... the hardest task would be to simply make it the cape fluent and seemless and not choppy. These are simply attentions to detail that would make the process take longer but things they would have to think about. Which would make things more complicated than simply removing it.
Yeah he wore it for some of Shrek 4 and the beginning of Puss in Boots 1 (in Puss 1, it was basically the same cape but it didn’t have the shield design on the back and the red on the edges was no longer there, it was just a basic all-black leather cape).
Correct , in Blender (the most commonly used animation software) there was no ai cloth generation or formula so it had to be manually weight painted meaning you had to actually animate every physic you wanted to take place which made gravity looking good on capes especially difficult. Now Blender and other softwares use Ai to generate cloth physics saving countless hours even days of work.
That scene bothered me because now Shrek and Donkey swapped personalities. It would've made a lot more sense for that scene to be rewritten with Donkey wanting to take Puss along and Shrek being skeptical of Puss.
Right?! you make a good point right there about donkey. It's always bothered me a bit how Shrek gave in to puss's cute eyes and just accepted him. In Shrek forever after, in the alternate timeline when donkey first saw puss, he was instantly like "can we keep him?!"
It's an interesting theory, but likely not true. The animators had figured out clothing dynamics long before Shrek 2 was made (see Fiona's dress) so that wasn't the issue. Puss in Boots is a house cat, tiny compared to all the other characters, particularly Shrek, so having an already small character obscured with a cape along with his hat and boots would've appeared like a dark blob from certain angles.
yeah something was telling me this was fake. I mean why animate the cape once to begin with and just stop there for the movie? They definitely could animate his cape throughout the movie.
Thank you cuz after u pointed it out it started bothering me but knowing it's cuz it was hard af to maintain, I'm aite with it...he's still one of my favorite characters
I remember the director of Monsters Inc. saying that they need the fur on Sulley be realistic and fuzzy but the company refused since it’s too difficult to be made but they begged and asked until they made it for them.
Soft-body dynamics have been a part of modeling software since the 1990s and wasn't that expensive to render. The vertex deformations are pre-calculated prior to rendering so the rendering pass still takes the same amount of time regardless. Autodesk's Maya (or Alias|Wavefront's Maya in 1999) had support for rigid and soft-body dynamics and it worked well. I believe Discreet's 3d Studio Max had it in version 3, around 1998 as well.
Part of animating well is knowing your limitations and making it work whatever means necessary. Acknowledging your weaknesses and addressing them accordingly. They're smart by knowing when not to even bother if you think about it
This was on the DVD bonus footage. I also remember them saying. To animate him in the dark tavern when the king seeks him out, they had to put his eyeballs on top of his head to get the height correct.
It could also work as an allegory: capes could be seen as symbolism for pride because it makes you look bigger and attracts peoples' attention. When Syndrome was killed by his cape at the end of The Incredibles, it symbolized that his pride was his ultimate downfall. In Shrek 2, Puss throwing away his cape not only puts less strain on the animators when it comes to animating it, but Puss is both literally and metaphorically tossing his pride aside when he joins Shrek and Donkey, which is why it's never seen again until The Last Wish, where Puss is arrogant because he believes he can't be killed.
I remember going to a CGI conference in Italy where one keynote was from the team that made the Cat’s feather (on the hat). Yes, team. An entire team of people dedicated to do JUST the feather, spending their days filming feathers in various conditions (water, wind, ecc) and studying how to replicate them.
The scene in The Incredibles where Bob runs his hand up the sleeve and through the tear of his old supersuit took the animators MONTHS to figure out. His hand kept clipping through the fabric. I have so much appreciation for that 2-second scene and the innovation that went into it.
Edna: NO CAPES!
Animators: phew!, done
Another 2004 movie
I was about to say the same thing. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now I wonder if that was an inside joke from the animation team.
Beat me to the joke
I think it’s funny to imagine that he just never found it after throwing it away
Would have been funny to see him look around after deciding to follow Shrek, like, "Where in the blazes did that cape go!? Oh, forget it!"
I like to imagine another animal ate it.
@@ፔ̇̈Donkey ate it😂😂
Makes sense.
@@RandomPerson-ze9ielol
This probably explains why Puss has the cape in The Last Wish more, as advancements in technically has made it MUCH easier to animate cloth.
He has it in the show too.
Why did I instantly see the typo🤔
Nah, he just found the thing after all these years.
Yeah
@@severalpersonI wonder if anyone else will notice it before reading your comment because I didn’t
Both Pixar and Dreamworks agree on "NO CAPE"
Except for Megamind and Metro Man from DreamWorks
Pixar Vs DreamWorks. Coming Next Fall.
@@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt he wears for 10mins only
In the same exact year too
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I always thought that the cape was a symbol of the life he lived until he devoted his life to Shrek, and that's why he tossed it aside
Same
He tosses it aside before going in for the kill... so saying "that's why he tossed it aside" makes no sense whatsoever
Tossed it aside as in didn't bother going back to pick it up after attacking Shrek
A fine example of reading too much into something. Its not a knock on you but on the artistry of film making. I saw 1 director's commentary where he said "whenever there's chicken in the scene, the truth is being told. If there's no chicken, the things being said aren't true." I was like "How tf we supposed to figure that out???" Struck me as so stupid.
But art be art.
Art has its place, but like many things, it gets stupid sometimes.
@@goldenheartOhwhat movie?
I like to think he threw it, failed yo see where he threw it, and just never found it again 😂 lost to the woods
Well he did wear it during the ogre babies birthday in Shrek 4.
Continuity! :D
@@TheAmazingPeterB who knows? Probably he bought another cape that looked like his old one
@@allexis216yeah!
@@allexis216 true, that also could be a possibility
He couldn't be bothered to replace it
It's weird that Puss just threw a cape away and never be shown.
He has it in the last wish.
@@Jose04537 Yeah. You know, in his own movie, he had his cape on.
@@Jose04537 isn't that set before the events of Shrek?
@@juhis5936Yup, Puss in Boots 1 does indeed transpire before the Shrek films 🎥
I think Pixar did the same when making the Incredibles (also released in 2004, hence the joke "no capes")
Holy shit that changes everything
But yea, Edna had a point there. Capes looks awesome, but they are a hazard
You could be on to something. DreamWorks just omitted it... Maybe there was banter across the court but Pixar made a joke out of it... Though they still ended up animating a lot of cape scenes by putting the joke & coincidental ending
But they did show capes in the movie allthe time
I always thought that was a throwback to The Watchman, how Dollar Bill died with their cape caught on a revolving door. I've seen characters like Batman use capes to confuse attackers into missing their body when shooting.
I also see it as a quick reference to Zorro like mentioned. He uses the cape just for introduction and then he throws it away.
Also puss was voiced by the same guy who played zoro in the zoro movies
That's what I thought, too.
This is it. Uploader just came up with that bs.
@@eradictWe'll never really know if it is or isn't till someone looks into it.
Shrek is life.
I thought the cape was a disguise, and when he revealed himself it wasn't needed. Then he stopped being an assassin so he never needed it again.
as yes, an orange andromorphic cat with human clothes on, nothing to see here
@@casongriffeWoah, I almost never see that word used to describe a character as male 😮. Or did you mean anthropomorphic? Either way I hadn't seen that word used for a while lol.
@@erebosthemogoreg I meant anthropomorphic, but the fucking auto correct fucked me up
@@casongriffe 🤣 Autocorrect love to bite us in the butt.
Autocorrect just casually exposing your previous search word history 🤨
Puss in Boots took a note from The Incredibles.
Not in The Last Wish tho 😂
I was thinking about Violet's hair lol
NO CAPES!!!
@@cynxmanga Lol yeah
Nice shot sir, nice shot
That’s what I figured when you mentioned it-for the Arkham Asylum game in 2009, one developer spent 2 years just working on Batman’s cape.
After that's done, just reuse the code for the sequels and never spend another 2 years doing the same thing all over again
Shrek should hire this man
The only difference being that real-time simulation of a long piece of cloth hanging from the shoulder of a man that runs, jumps, glides,crouches and rolls is much,much more complex than animating a simply draped cape in a small cat for a few scenes of a movie.
@@triadwarfare makes sense plus they could build on it further from there as the all hard work's already done
now it's much easier lmao
Something I also noticed is that in some renderings of him Puss in Boots's whiskers are shaped like a mustache, but in the movie he just has normal whiskers
Edna giving that single nod of approval
Reminds me of the guy who had to work on Batman's cape in Arkam Asylum for 3 YEARS. That was his one job during that time 😂
I NEVER NOTICED THAT 😭😭😭
Me neither
Me neither
Me neither homie I legit forgot he even had a cape
Me neither
Me neither
NO CAPES!
no cap
Famous quote by Edna Mode 😂
Google thinking this is foreign text is even better
@@TheEmeraldSwordMusicI guess it might be thinking it's Spanish, because "capes" kinda looks like a verb (e.g "no mames", "no creas", etc.)
ah yes Google, he meant 'dont capes'
In Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, Puss always use cape. This summarizes very well the point that animation technology has reached.
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Edna Mode would be proud of him.
At least he was smart enough to ditch the cape before battle 😂
It’s amazing to see how far 3D animation has come.
It never really bothered me. But now it does thank you for unlocking that
I thought he was talking about how ugly Shrek looked when he was holding puss 💀
What bothers me more is the spin he does when landing in his boots it looks so wonky
I hope I don’t end up feeling the same way you do.
@@jgamez106 That’s kind of the point since he’s spins like that in every Shrek media afterwards
@@-imgonnarexit-12349 I don’t think that was the point of it if they were already struggling to animate the movie. It’s probably more accurate to say that they just leaned into it.
I wouldn’t exactly call 2004 the stone ages for CGI technology considering that Toy Story was made about a decade prior.
Bronze Age isn't as catchy.
To be fair, Toy Story didn’t look all that great-
@@AppleShineWC Not compared to now but it was groundbreaking for the time. And don't forget that Pixar had been making short films and pioneering that technology since the 1980s.
@@medalion1390
Dw im not, just saying that it was kinda scary-looking as a kid ngl lol
@@AppleShineWC If you think the original Toy Story was scary, check out the baby from their “Tin Toy” short they made in 1988. It’s pure nightmare fuel.
This is so insightful! Thank you 😊
Man, Puss's redesign is a work of wonder
I had the original Shrek on DVD and I was dying when I watched the CGI screw ups 😆
That discord notification devious tho
it pisses me off everytime these bot channels include it, such an obvious comment engagement trap its just shameless
Faccs
Discord mod spotted
How lol, just cause I actually have friends doesn’t mean I’m a discord mod
@@lordhayzePG3Dinternet friends are anything but real
What bothered me was how Shrek caught Puss so quickly and he just accepted his defeat. He literally faught Death in his second solo movie!
My point is that how was he even hired to do a job he couldn't do? But I admit maybe he was more used to fighting humans then so not a bad contradiction. It was just weird to me.
He got good
Because at that point he knows he still has more lives
@Delta1987I believe so; besides, at the end of The Last Wish, Puss alludes to “old friends” right before the camera pans to show the Far Far Away sign, which kinda implies this movie took place after the main Shrek flicks
Ok but which movie came first? It should be the last wish that's inconsistent with puss in boots as a character.
This happened before puss in boots 2
I got the shoes
I got the dress
It makes me a PRINCESS✨️💅🥰
That also happen in the opening scene of the first Puss in Boots when Puss wears his cape but when he finally escapes the old man that he's fighting earlier leaving nothing but his cape behind for no damn reason at all, the posters and dvd covers of every Shrek movie lied to everyone thinking that Puss wears his cape in the entire Shrek franchise
In Shrek 5, Shrek should Definitely give Puss back his cape and just say he has been holding onto it all this time.
At least they have cape continuity.
What's even more of a mystery is how he gets that damn cape back in The Last Wish.
Modern technology 😌
Probably got a new one tailored for him given he was THE Puss In Boots.
Nanomachines, son!
Could be he just bought it or someone made one for him. He’s a legend he probably gets gifts all the time
New cape
I believe PIXAR was much ahead of Dreamworks at this time, because, even in the Incredibles, they managed to animate a decent amount of characters with capes quite well and consistently (e.g. Syndrome, who is a major character throughout the film, and also the various heroes in Edna's flashbacks) my guess is that the filmmakers just didn't like capes put on the main characters.
I would love it in a movie, they just acknowledge that Puss never went back for escape, and they just casually run into it.
Remember, he also wears the cape for some time during Shrek 4 and for the beginning of Puss 1. He wears it in the intro for the Puss in Boots Tv Show. Of course he wears the cape in Puss 2.
That tweet sound is the sound I use for my work phone when I get a text message. I thought I had a text for a moment lol
"I'm glad they kept the shoes though"
No sh*t Sherlock, Puss in BOOTS is his name
It's a joke, lil bro
@@ravensilvagg frr😂
@@mal_348 Jokes are supposed to be funny bruh
@@kairuhikari1475 just say you didn't understand it lmao. Why are you so pressed?
@@mal_348 Who wouldn't be pressed at a terrible joke?
Not the gaslighting 😂😂😂😂 wuiiiiiii wuiiiiiii wuiiiiiii tena Biko tutakupata
That’s honestly a really smart way to get rid of it without the audience figuring out why at first. As opposed to just randomly not animating it, they had him take it off.
Lmaoo “Stone Age”?? 2001 Shrek still looks brand new till this day.
This movie came out in 2004
He wasn't talking about the animation he was talking about the technology in comparison to current technology it's basically the stone age
He's talking about Shrek 1 dummy. 2001 movie@@oswald-kp1bm
Thats because its a masterpiece. The animators didnt have it easy.
whaaaaaa mandela effect no wayyyyy every can agree we think it looks like a movie released 2001? toy story1 was like 1998 or smthng??!
To qoute Edna: NO CAPES
*proceeds to still wear it in the second PIB movie* XD
Young Dakota Johnson! I'M DYING!!!! 😂😂😂❤
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that! 😂
*New backrooms footage*
*" uhhhh... who left there cape here? "*
He never wears a cape again because it was either incredibly hard to animate or something. There are several articles about how difficult it was for the animators and they deliberately had him immediately throw it off and never come back.
That jump scare of Shrek’s distorted face will give you nightmares. 😆
I remember in the commentary they talked about getting rid of it as quick as possible lol.
Like Edna always says: NO CAPES
We need this as a series
It's most definitely the case. Imagine them having to account for the cape's texture, the way light and shadow bounces off of it, weight distribution with Puss's dynamic movement, the shadow it casts on objects around Puss, blur, wrinkles, fur that sticks to it, imperfections like dirt, stains etc, how those imperfections, wrinkles and fur affect light and shadow casted, there's wind, how strong and how does it flow against Puss's movements, and mind you... the hardest task would be to simply make it the cape fluent and seemless and not choppy. These are simply attentions to detail that would make the process take longer but things they would have to think about. Which would make things more complicated than simply removing it.
They brought back the cape in late installments.
Yeah he wore it for some of Shrek 4 and the beginning of Puss in Boots 1 (in Puss 1, it was basically the same cape but it didn’t have the shield design on the back and the red on the edges was no longer there, it was just a basic all-black leather cape).
what bothers me is that there was a discord notification near the beginning and i had been looking at my discord for 10 minutes straight
Glad I’m not the only one who heard that haha
The channel STITSU is posting an image of Shrek everyday until "Shrek 5" comes out lol
They should post every frame of the movie until they've posted the whole thing... then do the rest of them
AWWWW!!! TWINS! Man you are going to make me cry and this is the first time I even seen these gliders lol
Correct , in Blender (the most commonly used animation software) there was no ai cloth generation or formula so it had to be manually weight painted meaning you had to actually animate every physic you wanted to take place which made gravity looking good on capes especially difficult. Now Blender and other softwares use Ai to generate cloth physics saving countless hours even days of work.
RELEASED!!!
RELEASED in 2004 NOT made in 2004.
It takes about 4 years at least back then to make a triple a full blown animated feature.
even in the puss in boots movie he only has a cape for a few moments
That scene bothered me because now Shrek and Donkey swapped personalities. It would've made a lot more sense for that scene to be rewritten with Donkey wanting to take Puss along and Shrek being skeptical of Puss.
Right?! you make a good point right there about donkey. It's always bothered me a bit how Shrek gave in to puss's cute eyes and just accepted him. In Shrek forever after, in the alternate timeline when donkey first saw puss, he was instantly like "can we keep him?!"
@@Jojo7896I think it’s the movies way of demonstrating Shrek’s more positive qualities.
“It’s been bothering me for 20 years” 😭
Shrek still looked amazing for the time it was made and what animators had available to them
I noticed this as a kid too! 😮
Edna Mode enters:...NO CAPES!!!
Now that you mention it, that's probably the reason The Incredibles shied away from capes on most characters too
Came for the burps stayed for the clips🎉
“Tell me tho who’s Penelope?”
“She’s my wife.”
👁 👄 👁
“ANYWAYS-“
This helped a lot ❤❤❤
Edna Mode: "NO CAPES!"
At least he has one in last wish
Shrek 4 as well during the birthday scene
It's an interesting theory, but likely not true. The animators had figured out clothing dynamics long before Shrek 2 was made (see Fiona's dress) so that wasn't the issue. Puss in Boots is a house cat, tiny compared to all the other characters, particularly Shrek, so having an already small character obscured with a cape along with his hat and boots would've appeared like a dark blob from certain angles.
yeah something was telling me this was fake. I mean why animate the cape once to begin with and just stop there for the movie? They definitely could animate his cape throughout the movie.
Actually, the story told in the short is exactly how it happened. The animator's commentary on the Shrek 2 DVD confirms it was just too much.
@@Proceleon either way, how good was Puss in Boots The Last Wish 😊
That glitchy Shrek image broke me. XD
Puss was ahead of his time. WAY ahead. Even BEFORE Edna Mode tried to enforce it, he saved himself by going no-capes.
Thankfully he has it in the last wish
For what it's worth, the one millisecond that he does have it, it's animated amazingly.
Thank you cuz after u pointed it out it started bothering me but knowing it's cuz it was hard af to maintain, I'm aite with it...he's still one of my favorite characters
I remember the director of Monsters Inc. saying that they need the fur on Sulley be realistic and fuzzy but the company refused since it’s too difficult to be made but they begged and asked until they made it for them.
Soft-body dynamics have been a part of modeling software since the 1990s and wasn't that expensive to render. The vertex deformations are pre-calculated prior to rendering so the rendering pass still takes the same amount of time regardless.
Autodesk's Maya (or Alias|Wavefront's Maya in 1999) had support for rigid and soft-body dynamics and it worked well. I believe Discreet's 3d Studio Max had it in version 3, around 1998 as well.
Bro is no one gonna talk on how hilarious that shrek animation making mistake pic 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Nah what bothered me was Shrek’s dream. Traumatised me as a kid, if ykyk 💀🙏🙏
My brother looks like Shrek if they hit the wrong button😂
For 20 years!!! You never Tried to Move On???!!!😂😂😮😮😮😮😮
Edna Mode: No capes!!!!
Part of animating well is knowing your limitations and making it work whatever means necessary. Acknowledging your weaknesses and addressing them accordingly. They're smart by knowing when not to even bother if you think about it
I imagine that one of people making the Incredibles said this out loud because of how hard they were to animate and then they worked it in as a line
They should definitely make him find it again in a movie in the future
This was on the DVD bonus footage. I also remember them saying. To animate him in the dark tavern when the king seeks him out, they had to put his eyeballs on top of his head to get the height correct.
It could also work as an allegory: capes could be seen as symbolism for pride because it makes you look bigger and attracts peoples' attention. When Syndrome was killed by his cape at the end of The Incredibles, it symbolized that his pride was his ultimate downfall. In Shrek 2, Puss throwing away his cape not only puts less strain on the animators when it comes to animating it, but Puss is both literally and metaphorically tossing his pride aside when he joins Shrek and Donkey, which is why it's never seen again until The Last Wish, where Puss is arrogant because he believes he can't be killed.
I find it even funnier because he never picked up his cape again. He straight up threw it on the ground never to be seen again.
As a 3D artist who’s attempted capes on numerous occasions, that is completely understandable
I keep hearing random discord sound effects everywhere! 0:02
There's a reasons why Edna Mode doesn't like capes 😂😂😂
you got me twice with that damn discord sound
I remember going to a CGI conference in Italy where one keynote was from the team that made the Cat’s feather (on the hat). Yes, team. An entire team of people dedicated to do JUST the feather, spending their days filming feathers in various conditions (water, wind, ecc) and studying how to replicate them.
That discord notification got me so good
This is also the reason why Edna hated capes. Icon
literally! he looks so great with his cape but he just threw it away..
I just thought Puss threw it so hard it’s still flying through the air to this day.
Shrek making cute eyes is so adorable 😂😂😂😂
I think what made the cape harder for the animations is the moments, it’s not like is boots are gonna be moving in the wind, but the cape would
He tossed it aside. He wasn’t worried about picking it back up 😂
The scene in The Incredibles where Bob runs his hand up the sleeve and through the tear of his old supersuit took the animators MONTHS to figure out. His hand kept clipping through the fabric. I have so much appreciation for that 2-second scene and the innovation that went into it.
Imagine someone gave it back in the movie 😂