How Was Ripley Cloned With the Alien Queen Inside of Her? - Explained
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2020
- When Ellen Ripley was cloned 200 years after the events of Alien 3, scientists on the USM Auriga were able to clone the xenomorph queen along with her in Alien Resurrection. How was this achieved?
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Great timing, every Thanksgiving our family is torn apart debating how they cloned the Queen from her blood samples.
Just when I thought I was the only one.
i wish my family had debates like that
How do I join your family?
Which one of the family crams his fist into the turkey, pulls out the greasy sack of gibblets, rips it open and uses the neck bones to illustrate their point?
...causing gramma to scream just like Lambert.
It’s because the symbiosis between the human the Alien runs through every cell causing the human to be tougher etc so the DNA imprints in both directions.
The correct reason, is the writers said "Nah, it'll be fine."
"Don't know!"
yep
Go away now.
So awesome
Ah, I See You're a Man of Culture As Well
They mostly cloned her at night, mostly.
Great answer!!
Lol
Short answer: “Life, uhhhhh, finds a way.”
After all these years, the Alien movies still makes me wanna watch them again and again. Shit, now I know what doing tonight.
dang, youve also pushed me over the edge to watch now too
@@6AxisSage lol, I just couldn't help it. Its an addiction.
In the first movie some crew members are turned into eggs. This is not possible without changing their DNA, so I always suspected Ripleys DNA mixed with the one of the Xenomorph as this was likely intended to be a natural step of their reproduction process.
It would also explain why people who got face-hugged don't realise that they have a being inside them that devours their insides until they burst out.
Oh, yeah, today is the anniversary of Predator 2 and Alien Resurrection. Crazy huh?
damn
Cloning was a hot topic indeed at the time when this movie was in production. Dolly the sheep and whatnot. I wonder if that wasn't the case, would they have made some other explanation to bring Ripley back in the fourth film.
I in fact like A:R more than A³ (assembly cut, I never watch the theaterical release anymore), although I am game for any alien movie any time if someone asks to watch one. Even AVPR!
Anyway, another high quality video from Alien Theory. I find the novel's explanation for the simultaneous cloning the host and the queen "realistic" enough for a scifi movie.
It is Science "Fiction" as long as they suggest a reasonable methodology, I am happy. The "Like a virus" detail makes it plausible enough for me. 🙂
It's not impossible after all. A sort of virus altering the hosts DNA to actually give birth to the Xenomorph. I mean the facehugger cleary is not planting an embryo in the host and the organism is created from the hosts tissue.
While it may not be hard science fiction, it still has sci-fi elements and is more readily sold to the general public of laymen than a dry, clinical treatise on the conjectural use of known technology and scientific principles.
Exactly
I think Joss Whedon was backed into a corner since he had to rewrite the film big time due to the fact that it was originally Newt who was cloned and not Ripley due to Sigourney Weaver originally not wanting to return after Alien 3 plus Fox didn't have the guts to do an Alien film without her.
I recall reading somewhere online a lifetime ago when fan sites were still a thing that the xenomorph basically re-wrote the hosts own DNA similar to a virus. Essentially, Ripley's DNA wasn't entirely her own by the time the aforementioned samples were obtained. I've always liked that theory and I think you've supported that idea well with your evidence.
Ahhh a lore video from Alien Theory is the perfect way to kick off this Thanksgiving holiday, thanks for all your work my man.
Weyland-Yutani accusing any company of dodginess or incompetence is one of those near-inexhaustible sources of irony. If only irony could be harnessed as a kind of power source...
They should have explained more and should have focused more on Ripley 8 who was such an awesome character
I love all alien movies and always thought Alien³ and Resurrection were underrated. They should continue the subsequent timeline on another movie. Excellent work! Thanks for the good video and interesting content!
IMO, I think Alien Resurrection was in a way recognizing Ripley by giving her Xenomorph qualities, since she had fought so hard against them. Kind of like a "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" so to speak. Also more of a cheat code for Ripley, deserved if you ask me, since she had endured so much with little to no real resources.
Also, giving Ripley the genetics of influencing how the Xeno Queen births offspring, tells me that the movie wants to give Ripley her deserved impact on how the very creatures she fought against, would live from there on out.
Ripley 8 couldn't sense Ripley 7.
Ripley 7 may have had more Xeno parts on the outside... but Ripley 8 was very Alien on the _inside._ She's barely even human.
And until she has the wakeup call of meeting the other clone stock, she _delights_ in the Xenomorph mindset, drowns herself in it, ignoring the trauma of Ripley Prime's memories.
Even in the climax, the Xenomorphs don't hurt her, because _she is one._
@@JoshSweetvale the Xenomorphs celebrate her as the first womb in the novelization. If she hadn't denied them she could have become the next mother pretty easily. Ripley 8 better not plan on having any actual offspring because there is a good chance that she'll give birth to more xenomorphs or queens in her genetic mutation.
I always see Ripley 8 in different Alien universe and different nature of Xenos they fight to survive they are not evil that is how i see the movies in my view
I think there cant be any different nature of xenos, xenos are the product of a biological weapon, the only sensed nature they can have is to obliterate life (carbon-based)
This was always a very interesting topic to me every time i think about or watch Alien Resurrection.
Love the content as always AT.
Wish we got to see more of Gediman, I like the character n actor
Dr Gediman
Brad Dourif is awesome
Don't know much about the cloning but they should have taken the "it was all a dream" route.
Yup. I'm *still* salty about Newt
I can't remember where I learned this--some fan site back in the day--but for a long time I've basically understood that the facehugger doesn't actually implant an egg inside the host, but rather introduces to its body something like the black goo from Prometheus that edits the DNA of the host so that it has instructions to grow the Xenomorph. There's a gene editing technology that actually exists now called CRISPR that seems like a plausible mechanism by which this could actually happen. By this same process, the Xenomorph also inherits genetic traits from the host organism. And it also makes sense that you would be able to clone a Xenomorph infected person with the Xenomorph embryo inside them, because it is now literally a part of their DNA.
That would makes a lot of sense. The Queen wouldn't lay and egg just to have a face hugger lay another egg.
Thanks for this
Happy Thanksgiving Alien Theory!
Some love it & some hate it but Resurrection will always be one of my favorites
It was better than 3, which was complete dog shit.
@@xaviervega468 Are you kidding? Alien 3 was a perfect end to the trilogy.
@@HOTD108_ Alien 3 was hot garbage. Complete step back from Aliens.
1 and 2 only. The rest....
That's how I feel about the prequels. I think the first Alien movie was a masterpiece, but I really enjoyed the prequels. Especially when you read the script drafts that Ridley Scott cut.
In the same vein I think Alien 3 was kind of an allegory for how the Alien franchise was going at the time. It's just my opinion, but after I did some digging into what was going on at that time with the franchise, I rewatched the movie and I couldn't help but feel like there was an uncanny resemblance. That may be partially due to the fact that Sigourney Weaver didnt really want to be a part of the movie (was originally written out of one of the many scripts) and the writing and directing changed hands so many times that the final product of Aliens 3 ended up being a Frankenstein's monster of a script.
In rough terms of how the movie relates to the issues of the Era it came out in:
You've got Ripley, the stand in for fans and creators who really cared and were willing to fight tooth and nail to preserve what they believed in, the Xenomorphs (Queen) being a stand in for the franchise itself being carried by Ripley, fought over by companies to ultimately doomed to die (at the time) before it could ever reach its full potential. And then there's Weyland-Yutani as the companies who were churning out Alien merchandise and media to fill the demand of their audience with little regard for the wellbeing of anyone involved, not for the franchise, or the fans, and definitely not for the many creators who were pushed around during the writing and pre-/production process.
When I think about all the blood sweat and tears that must have gone on behind the scene I can't help but find a special appreciation for the 3rd movie and what I took away from it.
I always prefer as much detail as possible in science-fiction, it helps push you over the threshold into a believable universe.. and differentiates the story from mere fantasy. But there is a balance, as the regular viewer may want to skimp on these details. So I do like it when even if it's not been shown on screen, there are detailed technical documents.. or restored scenes.. that become available.. showing the full thought process of the writers and creators :)
I always thought that the implication was enough to explain what had happened. The interaction of the genetic materials of Ripley and the alien queen embryo was the only explanation of how they could have cloned Ripley at all from the type of samples they had and the implication is that the alien genetic material was so pernicious that it actually built itself a host from the only genetic material that was available.
I've seen elsewhere a fan theory that the Alien facehuggers don't implant an embryo but coded genetic information for building an embryo; like a virus co-opting its host's cells nuclei to reproduce. In which case there is a precedent for the transfer of traits to the embroy; and in this case in reverse to the manufactured host. What is interesting is that Ripley 8 had some of the memories of the original Ripley, which suggests that the Aliens had a capacity to access the memories of their birth hosts.
I've always thought Resurrection had a much better plot-base than some people think. The potential story arc for Ripley 8 after she got to Earth was a lost opportunity. Imagine if she became an Alien/Human hybrid queen for instance.
Maybe the real clones were the friends we made along the way.
I have always thought that facehuggers introduce a retrovirus to the hosts body, reprogramming the hosts DNA making it so that cells form a lifeform.
So, by cloning Ripley they cloned something like hybrid cells, that would still go on to form the infant queen.
It is possible that the rewritten DNA granted Ripley Xenomorph characteristics and vice versa by either "long term gestation/incubation" or due to the cloning process.
I think you should start doing audio books, i struggle getting into an audio book, that drab monotone narration puts me off but ive listened to your content like battle for ryushi and (i forget the name, the comic of dutches brother, the one that should'v been predator 2) etc multiple times and there great. You've got a nack for narration.
Honestly, this is something I’ve never really considered or thought about while watching the film. It’s really interesting!
I wouldn't have cared. Alien Resurrection was a mess.
But it would be a interesting maybe the Thing-like ability for chestburster to control nerves and such of the host. That would explain why Kane didnt notice anything was amiss until it was too late.
Good point.
you wouldn't have cared but still decided to write a half-assed comment about it, aight sis.
I felt the movie gives enough explanation, not in words but in the scene where they see the ‘failed’ Ripleys. I think that gives us enough to work with and some vague idea of what they did.
That and the fact that the Xenomorph Queen had so much human DNA in her that she grew a _womb._ Something anathema to the Xeno species! The blending between Ripley and the Queen was _inpossible_ to disentangle.
I was always satisfied with the explanation in the film at the time, Ripley was cloned and the alien DNA crossbred with her DNA during the process. Pretty standard for a 90s sci fi movie. But as always with the novelizations, the explanation is always better and more in-depth and breaths more life into the material. I enjoy both.
You’re all over-thinking it. Once the first movie attempted to establish that a silicon lifeform could successfully parasitize a carbon one, all scientific credibility went out the window & you just have to enjoy them as simple monster movies.
@@ddc2957 Oh so the Alien in the first movie didn’t give it away? Lol
Also explain yourself. Majority of science is based on theories after all. It’s in the realm of possibilities. Unless you have evidence of trying it? Haha
It is NOT in the realm of possibilities for an Alien to successfully impregnate a Human Being.
@@ddc2957 Based on what? Haha You’re a funny guy. Also a silicon based “alien” life form is not possible to begin with based on the chemistry.
You speak yet you know nothing of what you speak of.
@@ddc2957 I don’t think it is a Silicon based life form, the line in the movie is that it was shedding its cells and replacing them with polarized silicon. As some kind of adaptive mutation. Regardless I think the true beauty of the xenomorph is that it defies logic, and science is simply unable to quantify its existence or origins or even map its DNA. The mystery is the most enduring part, they are as much artificial as they are natural, bio mechanical in nature.
As a massive geek and ex-biologist, more explanation is always wanted. I bought 'Cold Forge' more for the idea of the alien being an infection that releases a genetic precursor to 'build' the alien from the host's own body than I did the aliens themselves.
However, I never feel fully satisfied with the explanations given, as they never include the detail I would like. Such a book/film would probably bore most people though, so I accept it will never be a thing.
I say the more juicy details the better. The cat is already out of the bag so the possibility for “leaving the monster mysterious” is long gone anyways.
Besides, the novelization actually makes Resurrection a bit more enjoyable with it’s extra scenes/dialogue so maybe the movie would be better with a little more of that and a little less 1 liners from Johner.
I suppose it makes sense that the Xenomorph had to have some way of stopping the host body attacking the embryo and destroying it! I'm sure I saw something about parasites having this adaptation, tricking the hosts immune system so it doesn't attack!
Now you have my attention
@rrobertt13 Well you say that but gestation time in then franchise is a bit plot dependant, everything from 30 minutes to literally several days!
@rrobertt13 The immune system doesn't attack a tumour because its your bodies own cells, cancer is a cell that stops reproducing the way it should by failing to copy the DNA properly into its divisions but the body still thinks its your cells.
It's also about providing nourishment. Causing the host to strip away materials from their cells and bones in order to rapidly feed the embryo. The real problem though, is the aliens are made up of such exotic biology, that there's no way a host could provide what it needs. And they're silicon based, which would mean that humans would definitely not have what they need for nourishment. I mean just think about it....what would they get from a human to make acid blood, or their exoskeleton, or their metallic looking teeth. It wouldn't be a simple task of just recombining things, as the human body only has a limited number of elements in its body, and they'd definitely need elements not present in the human body.
@@peoplez129 This comment was made 2 years ago! 😂 I like your points though! I don't think Xenomorph's are Silicon based lifeforms, Ash states in Alien that the face hugger contains Polysaccharides but uses Silicates to reinforce it's Exoskeleton. Many marine creatures use Silicon to produce their skeletons but they're still Carbon based life forms! The Human stomach contains Hydrochloric Acid, up to 100ml of it and the Xenomorph grows in the oesophagus! They also use some of the host's DNA presumably to adapt to their surroundings! That's where you get the Runner Xeno and all of the Kenner line of toys! The Facehugger does insert a fertilised egg though so everything that it would need to develop to Chest Burster would be contained it that and not sourced from the host! But the cannon is so butchered at this point that it doesn't really matter!
There is a dark melankoli to this guys voice. But also strenght.
Perfect to tell stories from the Alien universe
I don't know much about cloning but would have rathered something like:
Well the xeno blood ate through our lab equipment but we found a shedded skin it the vents when clearing the place out that we got samples from. Needed a host to clone it. Wasnt sure on viability so cloned Ripley knowing she was able to carry the xeno to term. Had to clone both from a single cell. Like cloning twins. Splicing was a necessary evil but Ripley 8 and her xeno are the purest forms we have been able to develop.
I highly doubt there is any scientific merit in what I've said but just makes a bit more sense to me.
Yes, they should have gone more into it; the movie was too-short as it was, compared to the others!
I appreciate the explanation provided in the novel. It makes more sense, seems more plausible. Thanks.
*Happy 23rd anniversary to Alien Ressurection!*
Brilliant. Thanks for this. Love your work.
Additional explanation fills in the gaps. Thanks!!
Limiting the answers is essential to the purpose of Alien:Resurrection. It resurrects the conceptual mystery that Alien brought forth for future films or stories to exploit.
the movie shows ripley discovering the failed clones, I think that explains it well all in all
That doesn't explain anything. It just shows that there were other clones before her.
This question has always boggled my mind and I've always wanted a more solid answer than movie magic
Great job stay frosty! 👍🏼
Oooh yes! I just saw the title and I'm excited!
Great job. You should do a review of the chestburster life cycle from impregnation to the bursting. Cold Forge covers this, if memory serves.
Very clever explanation. Great presentation.
This is actually consistent with the planned Alien 3 story on Anchorpoint station. Just listen to the audiobook and you will see that alien dna is integrated or integrates itself into the host dna. What the scientists had archived in A:R is actually amazing.
All in all, I like the Alien movies as they do fall in line with each other. I don't see much of that with movies (namely Star Wars) anymore I do hope that the next alien film will be just as respectable as previous films.
I love 4, it’s become my secondary first fave of the franchise as it flip flops.
Ripley is different in each movie, she’s not quite Ripley anymore but not a xeno either it’s pretty neat
This question actually made me think of the Cold Forge novel which I think would hold the answer in a similar vein. Spoilers below
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In Cold Forge Doctor Blue, a Weyland Yutani scientist who's kinda like the main character in the novel is researching Plagiarus praepotens, a mutagen that the Alien facehugger injects into it's captured host. In the novel it claims that the idea of the facehugger simply implanting an embryo is false, but instead it's this mutagen that acts like a cancer that forces the hosts own cells to mutate and create a chest burster. This mutagen I believe is meant to be like the black goo from Prometheus or a newer version of it. But anyway, if we went by Cold Forges idea of the mutagen, then just by cloning Ripley post infection would be enough as her DNA would already have been altered and in the process of producing a chest burster.
Which I know is pretty much what was said in the video but I like Cold Forge better than Resurrection xD
The actor who play obsessed doctor is a method hard core actor, i notice him play another crazy criminal in x-files,
I've often wondered how Ripley was cloned for Alien 4. Glad there's some explaination here. 😊😊
My friend had a theory that they tried to clone just the queen without Ripley, but the two were just so intertwined genetic wise that it was impossible so they had to clone Ripley herself. This does support the idea that the Facehugger, instead of depositing an embryo into the hosts body, introduces a series of chemicals in order for the Chestburster to develop.
Interesting, I did not know this. AlienR is coming up next for my third viewing, after tonight’s Alien3. Love these deep dives.
love ur veds ty for ur work
I think the explanation should be in the special features of the DVD and Bluray special features
Now... if they had not keep this informations vague in the Movie ... you wouldnt have made this amazing Video.
I think development of Pre-resurrection character Dr Gediman would be deliciously interesting.
Being a forever fan of Brad Dourif, I am very confident that he could portray a borderline personality disorder & a scholarly sexy character & present a wonderful biography of his recruitment & development of the Clone of Ripley& provide a twisted but luxurious story of life on the gothic dark ship Auriga.
In fact I’d love to write it & add my own Medical Laboratory experience in a futuristic setting!!!
Cool vid! Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃🍁🍽
The chestburster builds inside the host from a cellular level; the facehugger implants a tumer which the alien creature develops from the host's own genetic material, thus explaining why the xenomorphs exhibit traits of the host (the "runner" from Alien 3, in which it hatched from an animal; and the predalien from AVPR); DNA is incorporated during the gestation period; this is how they were able to clone both of them, especially since they couldn't separate the human and alien DNA, this also explains why the clone Ripley and the cloned xenomorphs are so similar and why they are what they are in the movie....
I think that info needed to be added to the movie. I always hated that they say cloning and never explained how they did it. Now hearing this it tells me that the Zeno cells are more like a virus in the victim in question. Knowing this helps me understand it better as a virus like crisper.
This and the egg on the Sulaco in Alien 3 are things that will be argued over forever.
Yeah USM didn't do a very good job recruiting for the Auriga. It's a wonder the idiots even lasted long enough to be eaten by the Aliens.
Can you put your hands up please sir?!
On one hand I would have preferred Alien 3 to have been a nightmare, as it opens up the Alien universe to basically all the accounts of the Earth War you cover on this channel, which is practically a limitless goldmine of movies.
On the other hand - seeing how Hollywood has seemingly been on a crusade to destroy practically every single popular and beloved franchise as of late, Alien 3 may have been the saving grace to having the accounts of the Earth War remain untouched.
Thanks, you did a very good job of explaining and now I can sleep in peace knowing what it was.
"Wrote his notes in Haiku...."
I'll have to try that at work. Nobody reads them but me.
Was literally just thinking about this!
I think the scene were we see all the previous cloning experiments was pretty self explanatory. They were finally able to "split" the host and the embryo but there was still work to do much deeper...
I like that explanation. It's close enough to sensible for centuries in the future science fiction.
*A bigger and more pressing question:* Why the heck do the aliens in Alien Resurrection have digitigrade (doglike) back legs, when all the previous human spawned alien warriors have standard human type legs? My theory is that because the Alien Resurrection warriors were kept away from their Queen for so long, they began to develop into young queens themselves, and would eventually battle for dominance to be the new hive Queen. This is because the Queen alien is the only human spawned alien to be seen with digitigrade legs previously. The dog/cow alien from Alien 3 obviously had a different origin, so it's legs make sense. It could be theorised that the digitigrade legs are the "standard" genetic legs of the Xenomorph, so they're the form of legs that the Queen will always have, regardless of host. The Queen is more of a pure Xenomorph phenotype, taking on less of her host's DNA than her offspring do. Her offspring warriors will have the human type legs if they emerge from a human host, but if kept separate from the Queen, or if the Queen dies, they will start to molt into young queens themselves, thus their hindlegs will become digitigrade like their mother's. *This is the only way to make sense of the different appearance of the alien warriors in the fourth movie.*
They just thought it looked better. No other reason
Is there an analogy to your theory in real life? Can ants or bees spontaneously birth a new queen?
@@ronjon7942 It happens with bees for example if the Queen bee dies. They will feed "Royal jelly" to a larval bee, and it will become a new Queen. But who cares about real world analogy...this is about aliens from another planet in a fictional movie.
As different as Ripley and the xenos are. I think they would react to a encounter with their "clones" the same way. It might take Ellen a little longer to realize Eliens "special abilities". Than it would for the xenos but the results would be the same. It would be like many extended family Thanksgiving dinners.
Well, yeah, but…( don’t you love ‘yeah buts?’)
Ripley 2.0 ended up with a lot of queen attributes - acidic blood, increased strength & coordination, hive mind memory, alien pheromones (guessing ). And the Queen was capable also of live birth, so it acquired mammalian abilities as well as her base reptilian. So it wasn’t precisely a point in time snapshot, otherwise each would only have their basic properties.
Alien resurrection was a master piece, the only reason why people hate it cause of Alien 3 and people are just too picky, I like the Clone logic for Ellen Ripley.
I love Resurrection. It's the closest to a comicbook version/scientific horror of the Alien universe in the entire series. Love it.
One of the latest plot hooks of the franchise has been the idea that the genetic code of the Xenomorph is an artificial construct that is far beyond Human understanding or ability to replicate. Which the USM then just does. And yet the story still has WeyYu (and other parties, spoilers) obsessed with getting live samples instead of just growing the damn things themselves.
This brings up a decent sci-fi question: If you clone a woman who is pregnant, will her clone be pregnant?
I think yes, just as this movie had done with the alien. The host or mother in both cases are connected to the being inside them, with their bodies nourishing it.
No, the clone would not be pregnant. We allready did that in real life. Sheeps, not aliens, but still... A Pregnancy does a lot of stuff in a womans body, but it does not rewrite genes^^'
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Thats true but the way we clone sheep would probably be different than how they clone in sci-fi films. And with two beings that have different DNA, but are sharing 1 circulatory system, I feel it makes sense that a clone made from the mixed blood would have mixed DNA. I don't think it would make an exact pregnant clone, I think it would have made a hybrid clone of the 2. Which is sorta what happened in the film with Ripley, except they also got her with the Alien as well.
I would prefer 'bad dream/trip" after hypersleep and bringing back 4 characters again. But Call was super funny after all.
Cloning was big news at the time of release. The only other option would have been not to bother. While the films practical effects and sound design were awesome, the film story, pacing and characters were very shallow and poor.
That’s certainly cleared up in my mind what I’ve always thought was a glaring hole in the ‘believability’ of this movie.
Joss Whedon isn't a bad writer. I also don't think he's a great one. He was just not at all appropriate to this franchise. He's built his career on beating the self-aware meta-referential tropes to a tiresome pulp, to the point that all his work is tongue in cheek and not meant to be taken seriously.
He likes to point the finger at other reasons for the movie's poor reception but it all comes down to tone. He turned it into a quippy shlock fest with no regard for the franchise being grounded in gritty realism. It was tonally inappropriate for the franchise, and the science behind the plot stretched plausibility.
The idea of the embryo carrying over into the clone was one of the biggest problems with the premise of the story because it makes about as much sense as Ripley's prison clothes from Fury also being cloned along with her.
It's feasible that everything suggested in the expanded fiction by other writers could have been explained in the movie, but it wasn't, because Whedon didn't care. It is a huge leap in understanding and feasibility to get to high concept genetic symbiosis from what we think we know about the alien in the first three films. If they could have at least tried to suggest that an embryo would become part of the host's actual genetic code, it would have gone a long way towards resolving that plot hole.
Still wouldn't have improved the film though.
Hey, you're really good at big words.
Seriously though, they could have made a better attempt at explaining the process. I think cloning "works" for the most part, but a well-rounded explanation would have been much more satisfying.
When all else fails, I use my brother's favorite line;
"It's in the script."
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Makes me wonder where did Waylen-Yutani find DNA samples of Ripley for this cloning to proceed?
I had chalked it up to the gene-stealing ability of xenos had made things murky when trying to separate the two/made it impossible to pull a straight clone of the queen. Thus they basically had to do a 'Russian roulette' process attempting to get a viable clone (we got to see the fails) of both at once & likely stopped after they managed to drop the hammer on a result that they could pull the queen from her, and went "good enough" . Also they likely had yet another clone-coupling cooking in in a vat after their "successful" queen started changing to how we see her in the movie.
The funny thing is the xenomorph may actually have been cloned before...by engineers, spacejockeys and whatever other species came before - Not to mention David.
Lets pretend that this is another universe
I still want an Alien 5 that acknowledges Resurrection and moves the story forward with the company and the Alien. The novelization is nice and though doesn't explicitly bring up the genetic changes and black goo info introduced since Prometheus and Covenant it gives enough that the reader can make the leap and or form their own conclusions.
"How was Ripley cloned with the Alien inside her?"
Literal movie magic, because anybody whose age is in the double digits knows that's not how DNA works. I don't care if we've got the excuse that the human genome hadn't been fully mapped in real life yet; it was still not remotely ambiguous even in the late 90s that DNA did not work that way :P
I mean, it makes sense. Even in humans it's sometimes possible for the mother to reject the fetus. So for an alien whose sole means of procreation being forcing an embryo into another living creature to be able to sort of "rewrite" the hosts DNA a bit? To trick the host into thinking this isn't a parasite but a new part of a ITSELF? Makes perry good sense to me
i don't think being vague hurt the movie at all about the cloning process. The movie had mixed reviews overall though I love it. I think leaving the technicalities about the cloning process was the right choice
This movie is worth it for the Alien Queen Mommy GF Ripley vibes, and that brown outfit. That's about it.
Alien 4 has a great cast and is a great movie.
I think Alien Resurrection should never have been made but it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that 3 and resurrection were a hypersleep nightmare of sorts. Ripley even foreshadows this in Aliens when she tells newt that they can both dream now. I'm pretty sure it's the last dialogue spoken in the movie. Imagine if Alien 3 was ripleys dream and Ressurection was Newts. Yes there's crossover but that could be explained away by them telling each other their dreams when they wake up and their memories of the dreams blend together. The opening sequence of a future movie could be a de aged Henn and Weaver grimmacing in their pods as the events of the two sequels play in dream fashion. We cut to them waking up and telling each other. Then we have a 30 year jump to start the movie proper.
Coincidentally, Alien³ and Resurrection were released the same years as Home Alone 2 and 3 in 1992 and 1997😊
Remember in the audiobook version of Alien 3 had people get changed after getting exposed to Alien cells?
If they hadn't gone with the French art-house meets slap-stick approach, a better explanation of the cloning process could have fit in a more cerebral and dignified film. Oddly enough, Prometheus kind of offers the best explanation imo.
I quite like the very weird look and feel of the movie, it's like it itself has been infected by the alien. Personally I do not need an expliciet explanation as it explains itself if you think a little.
Hollywood screenwriters who neither knew or cared about what DNA may encode responded to demands that the airtight ending to Ripley def being dead AF would somehow come undone.
Because clearly it is impossible to tell a story in the Alien Universe if it doesn't contain Sigourney Weaver, sci-fi audiences would never comprehend why the same random space trucker isn't deeply involved in every event that happen within this universe.
Who’s Dr. Wren? AlienR is next up after re-viewing Alien3. I’ve already viewed Alien and Aliens a few days ago, and have been seriously binging on these YT channel deep dives, which are awesome.
It’s odd that the clone Ripley came out so anthropomorphic, because I’m guessing the real goal was to clone the Queen to as close to a ‘real’ queen as possible, irregardless of how Ripley would end up turning out.
It seems that through trial and error, the best cloned queen example happened to come out with the best cloned Ripley example - that is, Ripley came out with the most human appearance but with some reptile properties. Likewise with the cloned Queen.
So neither are exact clones of their respective species. Which, from a layman movie watcher’s perspective, can make sense, since the geneticists were working from blood samples intermingled with genetic material from both Ripley and the Queen embryo.
I think, after hearing simple and easy simple explanation from the book is, Alien Resurrection should have taken the extra effort by not happening at all. That would have kept the fans happy I think.
I mean this isn't really complicated to understand. They're cloning Ripley as she was when she was last alive right? Well, she had the embryo inside of her in her last moments. So cloning her as she was then would immediately require the recreation of the alien inside of her.
Well, yeah, but…( don’t you love ‘yeah buts?’)
Ripley 2.0 ended up with a lot of queen attributes - acidic blood, increased strength & coordination, hive mind memory, alien pheromones (guessing ). And the Queen was capable also of live birth, so it acquired mammalian abilities as well as her base reptilian. So it wasn’t precisely a point in time snapshot, otherwise each would only have their basic properties.
@@ronjon7942 Meh, it's a stupid movie. What can you really do about it? All I was trying to do was get to the basics of how the alien was inside of the clone. All those extra details about how Ripley 2.0 has more powers than she should is a whole other topic. :P
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