CORRECTION: The opening for Sonic Riders was actually animated by Production IG! Not Toei Animation. That was my mistake! I'll try and be better with that next time!
@@Dog1167 Thats exactly why I made that confusion with the Sonic Riders intro. The Sonic CD intro was on my mind the entire time as I was writing this script which is why I foolishly thought Toei Animation did the intro for Riders when they actually did it for CD.
bro, from the fact that your first experience was playing your friend's copy of Sonic Heroes, to the hours and hours browsing RUclips Sonic vids and Sonic Central, to the disillusionment as the franchise changed its essence, I felt like I was listening to a retelling of my own experience as a Sonic fan
It really makes me happy that you got sucked into my origin story as a Sonic fan! 😁 Honestly, when I was initially writing the script for this, I had no idea this video would turn out to be a "Rise and fall" sort of Sonic video. It just sorta happened while I was typing haha! Thank you so much for watching!
Man, you legit took the words out of my mouth on this one. This is just making me more hyped for the possibility of a retrospective going into Sonic X Shadow Generations and Sonic Movie 3
This pretty much sums up my experience with Sonic The Hedgehog as a series too, I very distinctly remember that my first ever game was the 2004 pc port of Sonic Adventure and my dumb 3 year old brain didn't know what the hell was going on but I knew that Sonic was moving fast and facing dangers several times his size without even a hint of fear, and that sparked something in me. I didn't even knew what the story was, my first language is Spanish, not English, so as far as I knew Sonic and his friends were saying complete gibberish. From there I had a PS2 with Sonic Heroes and Riders on it and I played the two games endlessly upon realizing how much more of Sonic was out there. In my early teen years I started to learn English and I emulated every other Sonic game I missed, including Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Colors by that time. I played Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure on my DS, it was wonderful growing up surrounded with Sonic games because it was very much like he would always be there for me regardless of what happened the rest of the day. And when I learned English more and more, and when I started to understand the stories and see opinions online, I remember feeling so conflicted. I remember seeing all the bad faith criticism of all Sonic games and wondering if I was just delusional, I remember somewhat being embarrassed of liking Sonic games and started to shut down my passion for the series in fear of liking something bad, and it remained like that up until around 2016 when I came across a video of a channel called Game Apologist about Super Tails and why it mattered, and that video alone gave me a whole new reason to revisit the Sonic games once more and watch more content made by fans, by people who might not necessarily like Sonic's current games or anything, but saw something special in the series and still love it because of it. I replayed Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 with the Japanese voice acting just to hear Sonic's Japanese voice (and to this day I'd say it's probably the best voice he's ever had, I hope Jun'ichi never dies), I recently got around to playing Sonic Unleashed after never being able to, and playing Frontiers, for as many flaws as the game has, showed me that at least there are a few people in Sonic Team who want to make the series justice, just like the rest of the fanbase. If nothing else, I at least know that if I had to become obsessed with a series, I would pick Sonic endlessly, it has been there for me my whole life, it has inspired who I am as a person and what I aim to create myself, and it showed that it is possible to bounce back from growing pains. If Sonic could recover from Sonic 2006, Rise of Lyric, and Forces; I'm pretty sure I can recover from anything as well
@cherry_flavored_content Ah, sorry to hear Sonic Adventure wasn't supported with your native language, but I'm glad that didn't stop you from becoming a fan of the series! I've actually seen some videos of the Game Apologist. He makes some great videos, so I'm glad he marked the turning point for you! I've never played any of the games in Japanese, but honestly, I might one day since I hear Jun'ichi is good! It's so awesome to see how much of an impact the franchise made on you!
Lmao was this a documentary about my experiences as a Sonic fan? Joking aside, we had a damn near identical experience. I don't quite exactly remember when or how I got into the series but I do remember Heroes was one of my first exposures to this series and I became obsessed as a kid watching a bunch of Sonic stopmotions, playthroughs, AMVs, etc. I regularly woke up every Saturday morning to watch Sonic X and I even tried recording entire episodes on my video camera. Then the 2010s came around, I didn't own a Wii at the time so I couldn't play Colors but I did play Generations. Had a lot of fun but something felt wrong to me. The voice actor switch caught me off guard and was disappointed by the lack of story but I was able to brush it off. 2 years later in 2013, I remember watching that Lost world trailer and felt... nothing. That was the first time I wasn't hyped for anything Sonic related. At around middle school, a group of kids who used make fun of me for liking Sonic (They watched game grumps) showed me Sonjc Boom trailer and were bursting with laughter over the new Knuckles design. Personally, I hated it too and all of Boom tbch. I was in high school when Forces released and I was actually really excited despite how annoyed I was seeing classic Sonic again. I remember driving to Best Buy purchasing my copy and was as excited as I was as a kid to play this game just to be met with a giant disappointment. At this point in my life, I became very self conscious with what people thought of me over being a Sonic fan and having my loyalty to this series being strained like that over and over again made me convince myself that those people were all right about me and that I'm a weirdo. For years on after, I pretended to dislike the series just to fit on with everyone else but Frontiers more or less brought me back. Life story aside lol, what are your top 5 favorite Sonic characters?
DUDE! When I was writing the script for this video initially, I had NO IDEA that this video would end up this long, like a documentary. Heck, I even planned for it to be short. When my hands are on fire typing, I guess its hard for me to stop, lol. Also, I totally 100% relate to you on people dunking on you for liking Sonic because thats the EXACT same thing that happened to me in elementary and middle school. It wasn't a fun experience, I'll tell you that XD but it is what it is. My top 5 favorite Sonic characters? 🤔 Currently as of now... 1. Sonic(of course lol) 2. Shadow 3. Rouge 4. Silver 5. Knuckles
A lot of what you said was super relatable. The way you grew up and the media you consumed throughout the 2000s, it was like I was looking at a mirror reflection. Also I'm surprised you didn't have more to say about Mania especially considering that comment about Crash Bandicoot & MegaMan coming back around that time in 2017.
You have no idea how awesome it feels to see that so many people were exactly like me when it came to how we consumed Sonic media in the 2000s! Thank you so much for watching! As for Sonic Mania, the main reason I didn't really mention that game, as well as stuff like Sonic and SEGA All Stars Racing Transformed(another positive of the 2010s) is because this conversation was more so referring to the 3D Sonic games. Despite me saying in the video that I did grow up with Sonic Mega Collection+, which had all the classic games, I wasn't and am still not really as big of a fan of the classics in general. I'm much more of a fan of the 3D titles. Another thing to mention is that as much as Sonic Mania was a high quality title that brought a lot of positivity to the franchise, that game didn't push the series forward because that game mostly relied on nostalgia.
The Riders opening was actually done by Production IG. The CD opening and ending is the one Studio Junio did. Fun fact: SEGA was collaborating with Marza all the way back in 2005 with Shadow the Hedgehog and returned for Riders
@@sanicsanic6890 OHH SHOOT! 😭 I can't believe I confused the studio that made the opening to Sonic CD with Production IG! Thanks for letting me know. I'll make that correction right now!
Fascinating video and expierence as a Sonic fan of that era. It's interesting to hear from someone who grew up in the 2000s and how you saw Sonic because it's quite a bit different from my own expierence.
I am a massive MASSIVE Sonic fan. Loved it as a kid, stopped doing anything Sonic related until I was like around 12-13 during my summer vacation. Had a huge Sonic phase during that time. Then got back into it around summer of 2018, when I was 15 turning 16 and started seeing all the negative stuff said about Sonic. It upset me and made me mad that the reason a lot of Sonic games dipped in quality was because of people who don't even like Sonic criticizing it. But throughout all that, I kept my passion for the series. And seeing the resurgence of absolute great Sonic content in the 2020s has got me excited to be a Sonic fan. A little story, during my sophomore year of high school, my friends asked around the table who we liked better between Mario or Sonic. Everyone said Mario, but I said Sonic and had a lot of confused stares at me and that's when one friend started shitting on Sonic to my face. Ironically, that only made me like Sonic more than I had back then and got me back in my Sonic phase (which now won't go away).
@@phantom-X2086 Wow! I'm glad you stood your ground and embraced your love for Sonic to your friends, despite them downplaying it to uplift Mario! Either way, I'm glad you're back in the franchise! 👍
This is pretty much word for word my same experience with the franchise as well. Even down to getting stuck at those fans for a bit before checking the manual to see if it mentioned the triangle dive at all. Colors was the very first Sonic game that left me feeling disappointed. Even after all this time, I still haven’t learned to like the performances of the 2010s voice cast. From Colors to Frontiers, the only game I genuinely loved was Generations. Mania was well made, but I wanted all original stages instead of the ones I’ve already played a million times. Frontiers has some good aspects and ideas, but it felt way too much like a fan made proof of concept. The cyberspace stages were all super short and generic, and the open zones have nothing to offer once you collect everything. Even the story and writing felt rather off to me. It was trying so hard to be serious and not be like Forces/Colors, that it forgot to include more lighthearted and fun moments. We literally went from Baldy McNosehair to existential crisis. I will admit that I found existential crisis to be less irritating, but I still wouldn’t call it “good” for Sonic. Sonic games need a nice mix of both lightheartedness and seriousness. I always felt the best examples for that were Adventure 1 and Unleashed. I also enjoy plenty of character interactions. The Riders games were always some of my favorites in that regard. Maybe the next full game will take everything they learned from Frontiers, and make something truly great again.
I'm glad this video was able to resonate with you! Just like you, I hope the franchise really goes back to what truly made people enjoy 3D Sonic the most!
As of recently ive been looking back on this era around 2003 to 2008 and even crying from time to time tears of joy of how much i love this era especially with sonic, i even started playing the advance series and even play the Japanese version no reasons, soon im gonna play riders, i love this era and ill say it a million times, so many people missed the point back then, you see alot of people now looking back seeing the issue we have now, i distanced myself from sonic after i saw sonic speed simulator and frontiers came out im glad if people enjoyed it i didnt, it wasnt until i played freedom planet 2 that i went back and played older sonic games again because it reminded to enjoy the parts of media that means alot to you, dont force yourself to enjoy someone you know you wont enjoy. Thank you for making this video it was a great way to start my day by watching it.
I'm glad this video and many others from other content creator was able to to resonate with you! The 2000s era of Sonic is an era I'll always love and cherish, even if it there were quite a few things about it that didn't work! Thank you for watching and I'm glad you found this video!
"-and that's why as long as they put out a good game, I'm always going to be there for him, just like how he was for me". I have a tear coming down from what you said there. Same for me and I'm sure many others. I was born when Sonic came out in 1991 and am a fan since. Amazing video.❤
When I was editing that last portion of the video, I got so emotional several times just hearing myself say that and editing the clips to go along with it! ❤ I'm so happy that line resonated with you as all of it was coming from the bottom of my heart for Sonic! I'm also glad to see quite a few older fans of the series who've been around since the start in the 90s! I legit wasn't even expecting that but I'm happy all the same! Thank you so much for watching!
@@Jman88933 That's interesting to hear that about the video making process. Yes was definitely a powerful message, video and some nostalgia, all. I went on Sonic sites too. Lol Pumped for Sonic X Shadow Generations!!❤❤❤
Frontiers really did make me enjoy this serious again. Incredible Boss Fights and OST, a whole new transformation which SEGA hasn’t done since Black Knight and playable Tails, Knuckles and Amy. All incredible stuff
Frontiers was definitely a good game and totally introduced a lot of new elements to Sonic that I love, as you said with the boss fights and new transformation! It just still wasn't really one of my favorite Sonic games out there.
This video makes me kinda sad, as a kid my first sonic game was classic collection on the ds and I loved the games it included because they were fun and visually appealing with their bright colours So of course when I got a Wii I was excited to see how sonic would be in 3d so I picked up a copy of sonic unleashed and it felt nothing like what I expected sonic to be, the story to me felt like the series forgot about its theme of freeing the animals and instead was trying to be cool but it left me feeling like the series lost itself, combine that with the more realistic environments and focus on gameplay I felt didn’t belong in this series I decided that sonic wasn’t good in 3d I held this opinion until I saw a RUclips review talking about how sonic colours was actually a really good sonic game and so i begrudgingly decided to give it a shot and then I was so happy because this was the sonic that I recognized from that ds game, bright colourful cartoony environments, a story about saving creature from being tortured by eggman and I found the comedy funny from then on I decided that this was a series I love However because I lacked any consoles above the Wii I was forced to play the older 3d games and did grow to like them while still believing colours was what sonic should be in 3d Eventually I did get myself an Xbox 360 with a copy of Sonic generations and this continued the colours thing about freeing helpless creatures from dr eggman so I was really happy I couldn’t play lost world because I lacked a Wii u but I loved how the gameplay looked like the classic collection but in 3d and I really liked how it kept the environmental message in its story even tho it tried to be darker, I also really liked zavok and thought he was the best sonic villain to date When forces was getting promoted I was so excited to see them continue the generations thing but with those more detailed stories from the 2000’s games and I thought the game was a good but nothing special but then I saw everyone online hating it and saying the 2010’s which I originally thought was the renaissance of sonic was now the series at its downfall and that the 2000’s games were better Being an impressionable teen by this point I agreed with them for years until 2021 when colours ultimate was coming out and everyone was complaining about the game getting picked for a remaster over unleashed and at that moment I realized that I love the 2010’s era the most and I would defend it because to me this is what sonic meant to me When frontiers was being announced I was heartbroken it felt like the series I loved was caving into the mean people who I was constantly defending my opinions on for the last year and it almost made me leave the series But then I heard that frontiers wasn’t ignoring the 2010’s era and instead embraces all its eras and then I decided that what I should do, have my preferences but just love the series that brought me joy So while I respect your opinion on the series I do think dismissing games like lost world by the way it looked was not cool and I also really think you should think about this line you said “all those bad games were still bringing in new sonic fans” and yes they were just like the 2010’s Honestly at this rate I wouldn’t be suprised if by 2030 the 2010’s fans make videos like this and say the 2020’s era made them not wanna be sonic fans anymore So in short I’m sorry for this long comment but I felt it was important to try and show why I love the 2010’s era and I hope my comment has inspired you to look at it in a more positive light
Apologies for taking a while to respond to this! Despite everything I was saying in this video, don't ever take this as me knocking anyone who loved Sonic in the 2010s from Colors and onward. From what I was reading from your comment, it sounds like you're a lot younger than me. Which means if the Sonic you grew up with was the one depicted from Colors, Gens, Lost World, and so on from that era of Sonic, then kudos to you man! I will never take that away from you nor will I shame you. In fact, I think its kinda cool that you found enjoyment from that era of Sonic! At the end of the day, its just a video game, and its not that serious XD. As for the response, I understand that certain things that many of us late 90s/early 2000s fans love about Sonic may not appeal to you or anyone who was born much later. So if Sonic saving cute animals from Eggman is all you need to satisfy you, I think thats awesome! But for me, Sonic The Hedgehog was a lot more than that. Sonic, to me, was an icon. He was a symbol of a cool kid/hero I always wanted to be since I was a kid. And what helped elevate a lot of that was the much grander stories and seeing all of these other awesome characters respond to the higher stakes and to Sonic himself. As for Sonic Colors Ultimate, even though its not my preferred pick for a Sonic remaster(I'd go for Heroes more than Unleashed XD), I still would've supported it and bought a copy of it myself if the remaster wasn't so poorly done. Now here's the big point you mentioned: Sonic Lost World. I understand that the game has its fans, including yourself, and I'll never dunk on you for that. But you need to understand where many people, such as myself, were coming from in regards to the negativity surrounding that game. Sonic The Hedgehog was so cool to me because he created trends. He followed his own rules and became a powerhouse of a franchise by doing his own thing and being a unique platformer, that frankly no other franchise could even COMPARE to even today. Sonic was cool because he was Sonic. He had his own vibe, and his own way of providing fun game design. Games like Sonic Colors, and *especially* Sonic Lost World, were made during the times SEGA was ashamed of their own legacy they created with 3D Sonic games up to that point. They no longer were confident using their own formula, that they've been using since 1998, for 3D Sonic game design. Thus, they thought the best idea to win back the favor of fans(moreso Western gaming journalists) was to have Sonic act a lot more like Mario. You can see that through the designs and aesthetics if all the stages in Sonic Lost World. I love Mario. Always did for as long as I can remember. But Sonic The Hedgehog is not Mario. I don't love Sonic because his games felt similar to Mario, I loved Sonic because his games *weren't* like Mario. And thats the key point here as to why a lot of people were not fans of the 2010s era of Sonic. It felt like SEGA had no idea what they wanted Sonic to be, due to themselves being ashamed of their legacy with 3D Sonic games of the past, and were just following trends set by completely different franchises. The exact *opposite* direction that Sonic was in decades prior. I hope this puts into better perspective of why I feel the way I feel! Anyways, thank you so much for watching and taking the time to respond!
@@Jman88933 hey no problem man and yeah I get it like I said I did grow to like all eras of sonic I just found myself preferring the 2010’s because to me it felt more like the sonic I was exposed too Also I’m a 2002 kid so I’m not much younger then you I just didn’t get into sonic until way later The last thing I’ll respond too is that the reason I initially felt so disconnected with sonic from 1998-2009 is because it felt like the series was trend chasing, in the late 90’s multiple gameplay styles were popular so they had the adventure games have multiple play styles, shooting games were big in the mid 2000’s let’s have a sonic game with firearms, the Xbox 360 had games trying to look realistic let’s make the 15th anniversary game look realistic and lastly god of war clones were popular in the late 2000’s let’s add that into unleashed To me the 2010’s just felt like the series wasn’t trying to jump on popular trends anymore and instead was trying to be the series it was when it started out Also while I agree lost world kinda looked like Mario gameplay wise it was actually looking pretty close to watch sonic x-treme was looking like but I do agree the result does bare a resemblance to Mario galaxy As for lost world’s plot I honestly think that game was the closest the decade got to a story from the 2000’s, the stakes were high, characters did die, Eggman got overthrown and needed to team up with sonic, all it was missing was a super sonic final boss fight and a rock inspired vocal theme My point is lost world to me is very overlooked by 2000’s sonic fans even tho I felt it was very similar to the 2000’s games in everything except artstyle even the tone is like unleashed which is where humor started being inserted into sonic games
this decade really made me sit down and think about everything that's happened recently, and it made me realize what's been missing about the 2010s: Sonic is finally cool again. Frontiers' boss fights, the return of the metal soundtracks, final horizon and dream team bringing back both multiple playable characters AND super forms, the promo animations showing proper characterization and lore, the movies, IDW, Prime's animation, and now Sonic x Shadow Generations It's all unapologetically Sonic, and that's all we've been asking for
Sonic is not *exactly* where I'd want him to be in coolness yet, but I will acknowledge that hes in a MUCH better position than he was in the 2010s. As much as I appreciate Ian Flynn with how he handles the comics and the story of Frontiers, I feel that I'll truly never like Sonic as much as I used to as a kid, unless Shiro Maekawa is writing the stories of the games again.
8 minutes in, specifically 7:59 and you're making me cry because of all the personal memories we share from the flying character in Ocean Palace to waking up early on Saturday mornings to watch Sonic X when I hated waking up early. This is beautiful. Edit: 9:13, yeah I'm convinced we're spiritual/dimensional brothers because that is so me.
If there's one thing I learned from you and a lot of these people commenting, telling me that my childhood was a near 1:1 reflection of there's, is that you're never alone in regards to your hobbies as a kid. At least when it comes to spirit! I'm glad that my personal memories resonated with you that much, man! And it also makes me happy that I wasn't the only one struggling with Ocean Palace with those fans XD! Thank you so much for watching spiritual brotha! 😎👍
@@Jman88933 You're welcome! I enjoyed this video. I grew up bullied for being a Sonic fan, I'd always draw Sonic in school instead of classwork, I'd walk around school with people shouting at me "SONIC SUCKS" and it didn't compute to me how such a cool guy like Sonic could be bad, and I'd always go home and play Sonic because the world of Sonic was my safe space where I could be happy and this was before social media bullied me for loving Sonic. Sonic taught me to never let others get to me no matter the pressure and I loved Sonic no matter what people said, I formed my own opinions and not blindly listened to bandwagon hate. I even introduced friends to hated Sonic games who have never played it and they enjoyed it, proving the bandwagon haters wrong. Whenever the characters cheered me on during the final boss fights, they were talking to me through the game and it gave me a personal boost. I love Sonic's friends. Thank you for making this video, my friend! 🤟🏻 It's way past cool!
I thank you for this video cause this is nearly how I feel as a sonic fan and still am to this day. Also was a 2000s kid, so I heavily relate the experience. Going through the 2010s was downright miserable to see sonic like this. Many times where I knew it was over like sonic's new voice in colors (roger still an amazing va), lost world's new playstyle after generations, the unfortunate of sonic boom, and what really did for me was the moment classic sonic shown up at the forces trailer. Now it's such a confusing time as a fan. Froniters is like a C tier sonic game imo, new medias like the movies are good, but still aren't favorable to me, we're still going back to nostalgia based games like shadow x sonic, but I would still look into it, and superstars honestly I highly appreciate it but it isn't really progressing the series imo. I think what sonic needs is something like Frontiers where it feels like it matters and the game takes itself seriously to be a worthy contender, but it still isn't ideal since the game honestly needed more time in the oven. I still like sonic, but this series is still not making me care enough. I'd still look into the current sonic stuff, but sonic 1991-2009 is gone. Which that bit of myself is now only a memory.
I'm glad we share similar mindsets man! Just like you, I also want an original 3D Sonic game thats going to knock all of our socks off. But thats unfortunately all up to SEGA and Sonic Team if they're willing to accept and learn to be proud of the franchise's past and take the great elements from that and apply it to new games. While also listening *carefully* to criticism.
@@Jman88933 Only time will tell 🙏 also I loved hearing your childhood apartment story definitely sounds like something of its time and feels nostalgic.
@@summysailar I do indeed miss the days of couch co-op! Online is cool and all but the days of kids going to each others houses to play video games is becoming fewer and fewer.
I think i just found myself another underrated channel. This was a great retrospective on your take for the series because i got into it around 2006 as well. My first Sonic game was Sonic Advance on the GBA and like you I really love the cast of characters and world building of thr franchise and i always wanted to see what new adventures these cast of characters would go on. Like you i was obsessed with Sonic stuff on the Internet but i wasn't aware about all the stuff the series got from 2006-2009. I still love Colors and Generations and I'm glad I got to play those but something did feel off about the direction Sonic was going. I even got a Wii U just to play Lost World and it felt pretty meh to me and Yea i was excited about Sonic Boom thinking it would be a cool new spin off series. 2015 is where i just had to step away from the franchise. I also got into jrpgs at the time to and yea i would go back to play the games i would love like Unleashed and Adventure 1&2 but it really sucked that Sonic was a joke throughout the gap between Lost World and Forces. But with Frontiers and Sonic X Shadow Generations i feel like we are in a better direction than how the franchise was in the 2010s where Sega was having a identity crisis with the franchises and just doing whatever to their mascot and critics being extremely unfair or having over exaggerating thoughts on the franchise. To see people be excited that Kingdom Valley and Shadow having doom powers makes me very happy. And great video man 😊
@noah_ignis I don't know if I'd say I'm underrated since I'm still a new content creator trying to figure things out here XD, but you have no idea how much I appreciate this dude! Its awesome to see you, and I had similar experiences regarding Sonic! And just like you, I'm so happy people were happy seeing 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog PS2/Gamecube representation in Shadow Generations! I'm glad you mentioned you're into JRPGs as well because the next video I have planned is going to be about one of my favorite JRPG franchises. If you plan on sticking around, you'll be seeing more content like this, anime, cartoons, movies, tv shows, and any other nerd that catches my interest! Thank you so much for watching, man!
No problem man and thanks for the follow on Twitter I find it amazing how almost everyone in the comments section probably born in the early 2000s has had similar experiences being introduced to Sonic
@@noah_ignis I'm just happy you went out of your way to follow me on Twitter XD! That's actually sorta the direction I want to go with this channel! I really want this channel to be the place where a lot of us early 2000s kids could come to chill and talk about all the great stuff we had on TV, to games, movies etc! We're all the similar in spirit thanks to Sonic!
I’m a Sonic fan myself and seeing Sonic’s resurgence in popularity really makes me happy. Regardless of the ups and downs, Sonic is an iconic franchise that will find some way to reach a new generation
@rickyronny4019 Yeah, I'm glad the movies and Sonic Frontiers are making people remember the icon that Sonic once was! This franchise will always mean the world to me!
This was a really well put together video! Had a great time listening and watching. Excited to see you gain more traction on your channel throughout the future!
@thomaswatson4770 Thank YOU for watching, man! I'm glad this video entertained you greatly, and thanks for the love! I'm just hoping the future of this channel is worthy of your stay!
Have been a Sonic fan since owning a PS2 in 2007. Outside of Shadow (Because parents wouldn't let me play it because guns) and Gems (Not in US for PS2, but did release in the US on GameCube), I got all the Sonic PS2 releases at the time. Asked my parents for a Wii to play Sonic Colors, Secret Rings and Black Knight (Along with games like Smash Brawl, Lego Star Wars III, Lego Indiana Jones 2 and Mario Galaxy) then found out the Wii model I had at the time can play GameCube games so I got both Adventure games and Gems as well. I enjoyed so many Sonic games. Even games like Forces and 06. Only Sonic games I didn't enjoyed are 3D Blast, all three Boom games and Free Riders. No matter how many bumps in the road Sonic will forever be one of my favorites. Along with Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Mega Man, Spyro the Dragon, Psychonauts, Crash Bandicoot and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger.
The Wii model I had also could play Gamecube games but I sadly didn't find that out until much later when Gamecube games were no longer being sold. But I'm glad all those games gave you a lot of fun, even the ones that most people weren't fans of! You got some great tastes in gaming man!
@@LegionOfWorldWarriors Yeah, the Sonic movie is the best thing to happen to this franchise in years, and its finally allowing us to experience high morale with Sonic again in the industry!
@@Jman88933 Surprised it took them this long to make a Sonic movie. Here's a video on previous attempts on a Sonic Movie, though contains outdated info on Paramount Sonic considering that video came out before the redesign or even the proper reveal. ruclips.net/video/w23ZI3uGv9w/видео.html Then again, series like Spider-Man and Astro Boy also took decades to get a movie. Hell, Ratchet and Clank, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy and even Postal got movies before Sonic!
I remember my dad getting me a DS with Sonic Rush for Christmas. Looking back. I miss those days. I miss my dad and brother. It’s so nice to see people who also grew up with this franchise and are now in their 20’s and we can gush about it.
Sonic Rush is a game I still always wanted to play! Its awesome that your dad got you that for Christmas! Yeah dude! Every since I entered my 20s 4 years ago, I started missing my childhood more everyday. Sonic is the symbolization of the simpler times of my life and I miss it!
Correction Shiro Maekawa was only gone from Sonic due to leaving SEGA. Pontac and Graff stepped on partly due to their involvement with a previous SEGA game (Madworld).
Oh, is this true? Thanks for the correction, then! After reading a few recent interviews from Shiro Maekawa, he said he'd be 100% willing to work on Sonic again if SEGA approached him.
Im sonic fan cause you can tell by my pfp but not original sonic sonic exe even if people clown on him he made a big impact on me and other people and the gaming verse as well
@@Jman88933 the fact that sonic exe is such a powerful sonic character or especially the stronger versions of him goku fans or really any other fanbase. Are really denial on how powerful he is especially since hes quite mid in writing but if people decided to research. And look up sonic exe's feats and abilities they would realise hes op.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video from top to bottom. Please make a video where you discuss the music of Sonic. It's both wild and funny how fans born in the same era of a game series can have about the same opinion. Its not like an assembly line based on the year but I shared abt 90% of the opinions you had simply based on the fact that I got into Sonic around the same time you did. Glad you touched on the unspeakable feelings of the direction of the Sonic franchise from Frontiers>going on. I thought I hated Sonic but when I saw the familiar respect injected back into the series from Frontiers, I was sucked back in while desperately trying to bury it like I had all these years. Side Note: I doubt I'm the only one but I loved as a kid how the Sonic series music was the spring to get into rock and roll music (even metal music with frontiers). The lyrics are cheesy but deeply uplifting and motivational. Great video, and I hope you upload more.
Haha, I wouldn't mind making an hour long video of me saying "SONIC MUSIC IS AWESUM!!!!" but I'm not sure that'd be too engaging to watch XD. But Sonic music was seriously awesome back then. I'm glad we share a lot of the same views on Sonic man! Thank you so much for watching and I'll try to be consistent!
I feel mostly the same way about the franchise. Except I started with Sonic 2 😅 Not much to really dispute through this whole video Oh man, just wait until you dig into the amazing fan games. They're what's keeping my love for the franchise alive for now.
@MarkerMurker Oh, I've played a lot of them! Namely, the tournament editions of Sonic Riders/Zero Gravity, and Project 06! Loved both of them! The fans are incredible with all the works they've contributed to this franchise!
I've been with the franchise since it's beginning, my first been Sonic 2 on the Mega Drive and still hold the classics near and dear to my heart. I just find it so upsetting that the rest of the characters are largely forsaken in favour of shoving Shadow down people's throats all because he's some big-shots favourite at Sega.
Oh, you been around from the start? Nice! Yeah I miss the rest of the cast too but what I think they're doing with Shadow is that they're using him as a test for SEGA to see if the world is "ready" for multiple playable characters again.(God that "stupid friends" mindset is still so dumb)
@@Jman88933 I hope so. We got a taste of the good ol' times with Frontiers, I really hope we can have a Sonic game with multiple Fully playable characters again.
@RedTygon Dude, if we can have a Sonic game with all the playable characters from Sonic Heroes and more, I'd be SO STOKED! I love the cast of characters so much.
As someone born in 98 I seemed to have a very similar experience to you and yeah I skipped colours only playing the far superior DS version but when i got Generations on my ps3, yeah something felt off. And Lost World was the first game I honestly just didn't even want. I was given it along with my Wii U anyway and can appreciate it for what it is but I can't believe I'm actually excited for a new Sonic game or rather Shadow game. With Shadow being my favorite character of all time. it's just weird to actually see genuine effort from sega. Like it looks too good, legit where's the catch?
Ah, two years older than me, nice! Glad we share a lot of the same experiences with Sonic, and just like you, I'm really looking forward to Shadow Generations! It looks like they're finally doing Shadow justice since 06!
@@Jman88933 Heroes was actually the first Sonic game I owned but I didn't really get it but then about twn years later I gave it another shot and fully beat it but didn't think it was that great then after several more playthroughs and learning more about how the game actually works it might be my favorite game of all time. I just finished my 6th save file on the gamecube version as I originally had it on ps2 but had to get the superior version.
Be wise to not take this as me putting out the notion that the 2000s was a near perfect decade, because it wasn't. As I said, a lot of stinkers came out during that era too. But we had just as much great qualities from the 2000s as well and thats why I'll always love it!
@@Natt._.han569Very true. A lot of dumb crap has been said about the 2000s games and it made me wish all of us were old enough to speak our voices to SEGA back then so that the company would be able to hear our opinions as well and not just the game journos!
I hate to make this overly long, and I know its a brief segment in the video, but I 100% agree with your take on Amy, she was always my favorite character, and the fandom missed the point of her character! Amy's current state is one of my biggest pet peeves with modern female characters. The sanitized female character who becomes a too perfect girlboss because people react to the extreme. I very much prefer a middle ground for the character, I feel like Murder of Sonic did her character so well that it baffles me it isn't the direction they took with her. I've always liked Amy and felt her hate was WAY too overexaggerated and people just looking too much into things based on either systemic views or emotional response. Amy in the modern day has basically become the generic female voice of reason trope, which is the most stale, overdone version of a female character in media. It was basically the ONLY trait female characters had in 70s, 80s and 90s media (especially in regard to early Superhero or video game genre when they weren't filling the damsel in distress role. It was also what defined the girl of the group in sitcoms, where the girl out of a group of wacky guys only served to be a boring sterilized female character whose main train other than being a girl is being kind, when she isn't just being another girlboss.) yet these were kinds of female characters critics complained about, but somehow its seen as acceptable for Amy due to specific views on her older character. See how female characters are always in a double standard? (yet these same people always rant about gender specifics with DS in their rants that most of the time come off as vent sessions about systemic issues that often times isn't what the dynamic is displaying at all) But how is this any less "one dimensional" than her old persona like people say it is, it's literally having less bones in character than previously because she's just a generic female but lacks any flaws, dynamics or rough edges. The ONLY difference is they prefer that version and then say she isn't like that. And it's ironic too, because the detractors who like Amy's modern persona you almost never see them define what her personality actually is, they just compare that she isn't like she was before, then say she has character. Which is NOT making the case for a more dynamic character, you're just complaining who she was before. And when reasons are given, they don't amount to anything more complex than her previous person, they just took away her liking Sonic. Because these are the same people who would criticize female characters like Amy's modern portrayal, but because she fits the character they want her to be like, especially when you consider for years that she was hated nobody ever offered any discussion on how to improve her character, they just complained about her existence, while exaggerating everything she did, with no substance how to improve her. Now because she fits how THEY want her to be she's good, when if you were to have a female character like Modern Amy, she'd be criticized for being a generic female voice of reason/girlboss. I also don't consider her new character "development" when there wasn't any reason development that happened, they just changed her character's motive from before. (especially with the bio change in SXS Generations, lending more credence to this) I also defend the notion that Amy wasn't a stalker in most of her appearances in the 90s or 2000s, it's literally just the worst-case scenario label they throw out just because of how extreme she could be, but honestly if you analyze her in the games. Sonic is a guy who is known to always be on a run, he never likes to be in one place and always goes whenever, Amy was always portrayed as someone with her own life who just happened to be fantasizing about Sonic in moments, we see her because it was always implied it had been sometime since their last excursion. With Sonic always being on the run, it would make sense that the only way Amy could make her move would be to chase him down, it's just that her extreme advances were something Sonic either had no time for or were too aggressive. And her chasing Sonic down did have positive effects on her character. Not only that, I think people really use surface level lens to judge the element of "immaturity" all they did was change how she expresses her feelings to Sonic. She's also a 12-year-old girl, do people think kids aren't extreme with their emotions? That they all should be straight laced and sanitized? Amy's idea of love is just an immature way of thinking because well that's who she was! When it comes to Sonic Heroes, this is the most overcriticzed version of Amy. And is the one where people are really taking the context of her WAY to seriously. It was established from the beginning cutscene Amy has her own life, she's chilling on a beachside with Cream and Big wondering the whereabouts of their missing friends, she is even having friendly conversations with them. Amy fantasizes about Sonic, but that's a normal thing to do when you haven't seen someone in a while, the paper just happens to remind her of Sonic because he was on the paper. The Newpaper saw Sonic with their missing friends, by this logic Team Rose have a motive to all be going after Sonic. With Amy, sure there is a bonus in that she gets to find him personally, but that also means even in spite of that she has a motive to find Sonic that ties with her. I also find that scene vs Team Sonic to be taken WAY to literally, the implication has NOTHING to do with abuse its just something people inject into the scene, which is actually translated differently in Jap version. It's just an excuse to start the boss fight. I also don't see what's so wrong with that because it isn't like she just ditches her friends upon encountering Team Sonic the first time, during the boss fight AMY is the one who asks Team Sonic about their missing friends, with Team Sonic honestly being flippant and dismissive of it. There is nothing wrong with Amy's advances being treated as a flaw in their pursuit because it isn't coming to anybody's detriment. In fact, after they fight Team Sonic, the goal becomes to find Eggman and Amy is the one who encourages her team to keep going. She only leaves after her friends had their happy ending and Cream points out Sonic TO her. And if she does still like Sonic, the games don't do a good job showing it, but if you want to use the excuse "she moved on" then that should be something the writing clears up, not an opened ended thing where you're constantly left asking "does like him, does she not like him" It's just bad writing otherwise. Because nowadays, she doesn't have any flaws whatsoever and doesn't play off of Sonic in any interesting way. There isn't a dynamic with them anymore and her new role just amounts to "Sonic's friend who is a girl" whereas given Amy's previous wild card persona you can just fit her into the story to do whatever. Hell in Sonic Dream Team her personality is literally just "female Sonic" yet her classic design is criticized for being Sonic but girl. LOL Hypocritical much?
Don't worry about long responses man, I'm just happy that at just the idea of people having a lot to say about the things I discuss in my videos! :D I'm glad what I said about Amy resonated with you, as we're totally on the same page about her. The thing with Amy is that many people within the Sonic fandom has this perception of Amy that they want the character to be, and if Amy doesn't reflect that, its instantly a negative on her part. If you've watched the full video, this goes back to where I said "SEGA needs to listen *carefully* to their consumers" because the fact that many critics see Amy's psychotic love for Sonic as something she needs to "mature out of" or "respect Sonic's space" tells me they completely missed the point of the character. Because its exactly as you said, she's 12 years old and her behavior towards Sonic with her emotions is intentionally supposed to be exaggerated to showcase to the audience, playing these games, that you're NOT supposed to go this far if you have feelings for someone. And the crazier part is that so many people fall into this misconception that Amy's love for Sonic is all there is to her character. Which couldn't be further from the truth as I explained through the segment about Amy. Amy is one of the many things that goes into why Frontiers just didn't really do much for me in the end as a game or narrative. But what I hope will happen is that Ian Flynn hears some of the criticism the fans have about Amy and take that under consideration when writing her in the future, or best case scenario, SEGA calls up Shiro Maekawa to come back and assist with the story writing of these games again. Either way, thank you so much for watching, dude!
@KazShiro I think people are more accepting of Mario's lesser quality titles because they're all exclusively spinoff games. None of the mainline Mario titles ever dipped into mediocre category, which is why people tend to only focus on his positives.
And thats the crazy part! None of the characters were bad on paper, its just that SEGA wasn't give them the proper care and attention to their gameplay styles that they needed.
@@NKL3085 Its easier to handle multiple playable characters in 2D since its a less complicated field of design. But yeah, Sonic Team has a lot of issues. But to be fair, the CEOs at SEGA are not helping them at all.
Switching the tv during the commercial breaks.... i thought i was the only one 😢....sorry your mom stopped buying games, my mom shelter us so we didn't have friends to meet outside unless it was during school so as much as she also didn't like V games she had to get them (this was the time before streaming whatever you want & there were a lot of infomercials) cuz we had nothing else but games digimon (season 1&2) & Smallville.
Sonic X was just so much fun to watch, that I COULD NOT AFFORD to miss any minute of an episode that was airing on 4KidsTV. But I also wanted to continue playing Sonic Unleashed so badly XD. But yeah, my mom was never keen on me gaming. She sorta has that old-school mentality. But if there's one main message I want to push with this channel, its that as long as your tending your life responsibilities, especially as an adult, then you should never give up the things that you love. If your hobbies are what truly make you happy, then hold onto it and never let it go. Who is anyone to tell you to give up something that truly makes you smile? But yeah, thanks for watching man!
All songs used in the video are in the description. As well as in the order as used in the timeline of the video! The song is a studio remix of Beyond The Speed Of from Sonic Runners. ruclips.net/video/GwQZUM3bRI0/видео.htmlsi=GlEjSx3Ncla0jbMy Don't worry, I love it too! 😁👍
Gee, I wonder who this could be? 🤣 Well, thanks for watching anyway, Gojo! If you really liked it, then why don't you do a brother a favor and get me a date with Nobara? 😎
You were 10 when Sonic Colors came out?? Young person lol (I'm older than Sonic in America x'D); the writing in that game turned me off too and I hardly played the games but I enjoy the lore (except the "storybook" games and Unleashed.. werehog form is clunky and weird)
@IZZYCHAN13 Oh shoot! You're that much older?! Wow! Also, it's perfectly understandable about your stances on the stories of Unleashed and the Storybook games! I'm just glad you found some in Sonic! 👍
@@Jman88933 Heh heh x'D I'm very attached to the Japanese version of Sonic (better writing, dialogue) and SatAM Sonic on the American side (dark story which Forces tried? to be); to each fan their own--thanks for the video =]
@IZZYCHAN13 Yeah, thats the one thing I've seen a lot of people praise, the Japanese versions! 😲 I definitely should try playing these games in Japanese one day. I just wish any of the TV channels I used to watch growing up showed reruns of Sonic SatAM. Instead, Disney XD gave us Sonic Underground haha. But thank you so much for watching this video!
I don’t understand why we don’t have any more Sonic Rider games. Sure Sonic Free Riders is bad on regards of it not working. But I think anyone who has played Sonic riders and sonic riders zero gravity would agree that they are the best kart racers ever made. It’s pretty much Mario kart mix with SSX snowboarding Go back to basics Sonic Riders and create a handful of new tracks And Fortnite style shop for characters, outfits and boards As long as it’s not too expensive to purchase items. I’m sure it would print money as I’m positive there’s a lot of people that just wanna play Sonic Riders again
@xaviersejour9183 Dude, I legit thought of making a video titled "SEGA, PLEASE bring back Sonic Riders!". Its still my favorite racing game ever. More than Mario Kart and F-Zero. The thing with SEGA is that they have a dumb as hell mentality of "Oh, we made one screw up with a game? Scrap the whole series." They did this with Sonic Battle, they did this with Sonic Shuffle, and the Storybook games. SEGA needs to understand that none of these ideas are bad at all, its just about landing the correct execution!
I remember a track that was flipping between heaven and hell. I think the main think with PlayStation 5 is that it can seamlessly load things. I think it would be so cool to have a 40 to 50 player elimination race That is randomly flipping through stages each lap
I know kids are stupid but you’re saying two kids in the same room failed to acknowledge the RED sign that says POWER? Got stuck on what is ultimately stage 1 act 2. And didn’t think about trying out the other characters including team Ross who forces a tutorial. Depending on how you wanna look at it you guys were happy that you’re able to beat one level or half of one level anyway. At the same time one of you was capable enough with computers to figure out how to find a walk-through on the Internet I just thought about this There is a strong chance that there is a. “? “Simple That’s simple with blatantly tell you what to do and neither one of you touched that ?
@xaviersejour9183 Not gonna lie, its INCREDIBLY funny looking back on that, haha! 🤣 We both legitimately were that dumb lmao. Hell, we didn't even know Team Rose was the easy mode until much later. But man, we loved the game anyway cause at the very least we could play the multiplayer.
Lmao, Sonic's stupid friends isn't a shallow criticism that doesn't come out of nowhere lol. You may be right about people saying that in 2000's but nowadays this exact criticism comes from sonic generations, sonic lost world (knuckles & amy) and slopic flopses where sonic's friends just exist and do absolutely nothing
@@vadim_65rus Okay, but what exactly makes them stupid? There's a very distinct difference between having a character who, from a conceptual standpoint, is very idiotic/stupid versus a pre-existing likable character not being given anything substantial to do.
@@Jman88933why would I like a character that does nothing? Used to be likeable is more appropriate here. I enjoy side characters in earlier sonic games but in later ones they don't have any purprose, which is frustrating, making their existence stupid and detrimental to chars themselves
@vadim_65rus Thats not what the word, "stupid" means. In order for a character to be "stupid", they would need to do "stupid" things. A character simply existing in a game doesn't make them stupid, even if its not preferable to you.
"If sonic friends are STUPiD, why people like shadow arc from sa2 and get emotional at the ending" Because you were 5 year old and didn't know any better. Nostalgia is a fine reason to like a game, but claiming ALL the fans find that story good is a pretfy bald claim, especially when even in the 2000s there were a lot of fan doing the same criticisms of the game journos (although less mean spirited....or at least sone were less mean)
Okay. Lets break all this down! First thing is a question I have to you: What does nostalgia have to do with millions of fans, including myself, appreciating a well written story and character arc? There were a lot of 5 year olds watching shows such as Dragon Ball Z and Naruto back in the day, shows that not only had well written stories and characters arcs, but were also technically targeted for teenagers. Yes, I'm sure there were a sizeable group of people that weren't fans of Shadow as character or Adventure 2 in general. However what I said can hardly even be labeled as "bold". After Sonic Adventure 2 released, Shadow's debut game, he became one of, if not, the most popular character in the franchise of that specific time period in the early 2000s. In fact, that was one of the driving forces on why SEGA gave Shadow his own game, since the company put up a popularity character poll online, and Shadow was #1. You can read about that and the development of Shadow The Hedgehog here: info.sonicretro.org/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_(game)/Development So if the MAJORITY of fans loved Shadow's character enough to spread the message to SEGA that they want to see him return in future games, despite SEGA initially wanting to keep him dead after Adventure 2, wouldn't that imply that Shadow's story was well received by the majority of people that played the game? I also don't doubt there was a lot of criticism to Adventure 2 from a certain section of fans as well. However, you can say that about most franchises, when they try something different. Not everyone was on board with Super Mario Sunshine. Not everyone was on board with Jak 2. Not everyone was on board with Mega Man Legends. You get where I'm going with this? The point is that despite any backlash the franchise got, 3D Sonic games from 1998 all the way to 2003 got mostly positive feedback from fans. I hope I made things a little clearer!
i mean the VAST majority of people like sa2 the most as a game. its a LOT of people's favorite sonic game. Shadow had a well written arc, that concluded with a sacrifice MANY found emotional due to the setup of Shadow growing and changing from a villain to a hero side by side with Sonic. leave it to a guy that spells like a 5 year old to project his insecurities onto someone else.
@@Jman88933 nah, I ain't reading all that shit. Only thing I'm going to say is that people don't turn hostile out of nowhere and that over the years plenty of fair criticisms were pointed out about the 2000s games: before those there was a pre-establish style, tone and gameplay, and the 2000's did everything to distance themselves from that in the worst ways possible (because jumping from green hill to kissing terible written human princesses is such a Natural evolution, right?). The 2010 was justified, but you were too little to comprehend so that's why it feels like you were "betrayed"
@@KrowleyPineapples777 the "VAST" majority is more like a split, since over the years the game got a divisive reputation and people that says it's "well liked", usually don't go out of their eco chambers. I know this video is a personal perspective, but claiming SEGA was wrong to listening to feedback and that ALL THE FANS found the 2000s well executed and the 2010s the "trie dark age", feels very naive and "rose tinted glasses"-esque. I didn't even played sa2 when i was 5, i played during highschool with the Hd port came around and found that shit mid
@@lupinthenerd439 i mean, everywhere i look i see praise. Look on steam its very positive its very highly rated on other platforms and has tons of glowing articles if you just search an unbiased "is sonic adventure two a good game?" On basically any engine. I feel like you're one of the very few people who couldn't see the game for what it was. The best sonic game by basically everyone i knows opinion and seems to be from everywhere i look a very popular opinion. Sounds like you're the one in an echo** chamber lol. Also the point in this video is they didn't listen to the fans. They listened to game journalists who are very different than the fans. You can see their opinions on places like steam just for example. Point being they were out of touch and complained about things MOST people enjoyed. Like sonics friends and Sonic having a more serious storyline. Everyone i see on this video is agreeing with it so ig.... You're in the minority again mr Lupinthenerd349. Really painful and embarrassing to see someone proudly put "nerd" in their name btw.
Sometimes I think I'm growing out of sonic, but then I remember, with the exception of mania, there hasn't been anything great since all stars racing transformed, in 2012 🗿, and when a series is dormant for that long you do kinda stop caring I still like sonic, nearly everything before 2012 are some of my favourite games of all time, as of writing this I'm currently playing thru unleashed and having fun with it theres a lack of focus, and let's be honest, this series would've died years ago if it wasn't for the movies Maybe things will get better, maybe they won't idk 🫠
Sonic used to be the franchise that ruled the world alongside Mario in the world of gaming. How do you ruin a legacy that grand SEGA?! 😢😭 But I hope you're having a great time with Sonic Unleashed! Wish they ported that game to Playstation 4&5 since I don't have an XBOX. I really enjoy that one! But yeah when I got my PS3 and PS4 and started playing other games, I started to care less about Sonic, and I hate that that had to happen to the franchise thats closest to my heart! For now, all we could do is hope for the best!
@@Jman88933 for sure, btw if you've got a decent pc you should be able to emulate unleashed decently, been playing it on the steam deck and it runs surprisingly well, bar the odd texture issue here and there 🫠
@@Cal_03 My PC is pretty powerful and I've thought about emulating XBOX 360 games before, but emulating huge games like that takes up a bunch of space that I'd rather not have cluttered up on my hard drive. Thanks for the info tho!
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CORRECTION: The opening for Sonic Riders was actually animated by Production IG! Not Toei Animation. That was my mistake! I'll try and be better with that next time!
Don't worry man. Everyone can make a mistake from time to time, and is no big deal.
@alb27grx Yeah, thanks haha. I just wish I caught that sooner.
Didnt toei animate the opening cutscene for sonic cd?
@@Dog1167 Thats exactly why I made that confusion with the Sonic Riders intro. The Sonic CD intro was on my mind the entire time as I was writing this script which is why I foolishly thought Toei Animation did the intro for Riders when they actually did it for CD.
bro, from the fact that your first experience was playing your friend's copy of Sonic Heroes, to the hours and hours browsing RUclips Sonic vids and Sonic Central, to the disillusionment as the franchise changed its essence, I felt like I was listening to a retelling of my own experience as a Sonic fan
It really makes me happy that you got sucked into my origin story as a Sonic fan! 😁
Honestly, when I was initially writing the script for this, I had no idea this video would turn out to be a "Rise and fall" sort of Sonic video. It just sorta happened while I was typing haha! Thank you so much for watching!
Your childhood with sonic is very similar to mine. Especially going online for the first time and finding out people hated sonic😂
It makes me happy knowing so many people were exactly like me in regards to how we found/experienced Sonic as a kid! 😎👍
Sonic 06 was my favorite game for the longest time and I was shocked to learn everyone actually hated it.
i got hated for trying to make people interested into sonic exe or other versions of him 💀
Man, you legit took the words out of my mouth on this one. This is just making me more hyped for the possibility of a retrospective going into Sonic X Shadow Generations and Sonic Movie 3
I'm glad you resonated with what I said in this video! Thank you for watching!
This pretty much sums up my experience with Sonic The Hedgehog as a series too, I very distinctly remember that my first ever game was the 2004 pc port of Sonic Adventure and my dumb 3 year old brain didn't know what the hell was going on but I knew that Sonic was moving fast and facing dangers several times his size without even a hint of fear, and that sparked something in me. I didn't even knew what the story was, my first language is Spanish, not English, so as far as I knew Sonic and his friends were saying complete gibberish. From there I had a PS2 with Sonic Heroes and Riders on it and I played the two games endlessly upon realizing how much more of Sonic was out there. In my early teen years I started to learn English and I emulated every other Sonic game I missed, including Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Colors by that time. I played Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure on my DS, it was wonderful growing up surrounded with Sonic games because it was very much like he would always be there for me regardless of what happened the rest of the day.
And when I learned English more and more, and when I started to understand the stories and see opinions online, I remember feeling so conflicted. I remember seeing all the bad faith criticism of all Sonic games and wondering if I was just delusional, I remember somewhat being embarrassed of liking Sonic games and started to shut down my passion for the series in fear of liking something bad, and it remained like that up until around 2016 when I came across a video of a channel called Game Apologist about Super Tails and why it mattered, and that video alone gave me a whole new reason to revisit the Sonic games once more and watch more content made by fans, by people who might not necessarily like Sonic's current games or anything, but saw something special in the series and still love it because of it. I replayed Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 with the Japanese voice acting just to hear Sonic's Japanese voice (and to this day I'd say it's probably the best voice he's ever had, I hope Jun'ichi never dies), I recently got around to playing Sonic Unleashed after never being able to, and playing Frontiers, for as many flaws as the game has, showed me that at least there are a few people in Sonic Team who want to make the series justice, just like the rest of the fanbase.
If nothing else, I at least know that if I had to become obsessed with a series, I would pick Sonic endlessly, it has been there for me my whole life, it has inspired who I am as a person and what I aim to create myself, and it showed that it is possible to bounce back from growing pains. If Sonic could recover from Sonic 2006, Rise of Lyric, and Forces; I'm pretty sure I can recover from anything as well
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Ah, sorry to hear Sonic Adventure wasn't supported with your native language, but I'm glad that didn't stop you from becoming a fan of the series! I've actually seen some videos of the Game Apologist. He makes some great videos, so I'm glad he marked the turning point for you!
I've never played any of the games in Japanese, but honestly, I might one day since I hear Jun'ichi is good! It's so awesome to see how much of an impact the franchise made on you!
Lmao was this a documentary about my experiences as a Sonic fan? Joking aside, we had a damn near identical experience. I don't quite exactly remember when or how I got into the series but I do remember Heroes was one of my first exposures to this series and I became obsessed as a kid watching a bunch of Sonic stopmotions, playthroughs, AMVs, etc. I regularly woke up every Saturday morning to watch Sonic X and I even tried recording entire episodes on my video camera. Then the 2010s came around, I didn't own a Wii at the time so I couldn't play Colors but I did play Generations. Had a lot of fun but something felt wrong to me. The voice actor switch caught me off guard and was disappointed by the lack of story but I was able to brush it off. 2 years later in 2013, I remember watching that Lost world trailer and felt... nothing. That was the first time I wasn't hyped for anything Sonic related. At around middle school, a group of kids who used make fun of me for liking Sonic (They watched game grumps) showed me Sonjc Boom trailer and were bursting with laughter over the new Knuckles design. Personally, I hated it too and all of Boom tbch. I was in high school when Forces released and I was actually really excited despite how annoyed I was seeing classic Sonic again. I remember driving to Best Buy purchasing my copy and was as excited as I was as a kid to play this game just to be met with a giant disappointment. At this point in my life, I became very self conscious with what people thought of me over being a Sonic fan and having my loyalty to this series being strained like that over and over again made me convince myself that those people were all right about me and that I'm a weirdo. For years on after, I pretended to dislike the series just to fit on with everyone else but Frontiers more or less brought me back. Life story aside lol, what are your top 5 favorite Sonic characters?
DUDE! When I was writing the script for this video initially, I had NO IDEA that this video would end up this long, like a documentary. Heck, I even planned for it to be short. When my hands are on fire typing, I guess its hard for me to stop, lol.
Also, I totally 100% relate to you on people dunking on you for liking Sonic because thats the EXACT same thing that happened to me in elementary and middle school. It wasn't a fun experience, I'll tell you that XD but it is what it is.
My top 5 favorite Sonic characters? 🤔 Currently as of now...
1. Sonic(of course lol)
2. Shadow
3. Rouge
4. Silver
5. Knuckles
A lot of what you said was super relatable. The way you grew up and the media you consumed throughout the 2000s, it was like I was looking at a mirror reflection. Also I'm surprised you didn't have more to say about Mania especially considering that comment about Crash Bandicoot & MegaMan coming back around that time in 2017.
You have no idea how awesome it feels to see that so many people were exactly like me when it came to how we consumed Sonic media in the 2000s! Thank you so much for watching!
As for Sonic Mania, the main reason I didn't really mention that game, as well as stuff like Sonic and SEGA All Stars Racing Transformed(another positive of the 2010s) is because this conversation was more so referring to the 3D Sonic games. Despite me saying in the video that I did grow up with Sonic Mega Collection+, which had all the classic games, I wasn't and am still not really as big of a fan of the classics in general. I'm much more of a fan of the 3D titles. Another thing to mention is that as much as Sonic Mania was a high quality title that brought a lot of positivity to the franchise, that game didn't push the series forward because that game mostly relied on nostalgia.
Amazing video on your experience with Sonic, I haven’t played a game since Forces but this blue bastard is still an icon!
@forspookable1812 You know it, dude!
There's been highs and lows with the Sonic franchise, but overall, I'll always love it! Thanks for watching, bro!
The Riders opening was actually done by Production IG. The CD opening and ending is the one Studio Junio did.
Fun fact: SEGA was collaborating with Marza all the way back in 2005 with Shadow the Hedgehog and returned for Riders
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OHH SHOOT! 😭 I can't believe I confused the studio that made the opening to Sonic CD with Production IG! Thanks for letting me know. I'll make that correction right now!
@@Jman88933 no problem man just do research next time even if you think you’re absolutely sure
Fascinating video and expierence as a Sonic fan of that era. It's interesting to hear from someone who grew up in the 2000s and how you saw Sonic because it's quite a bit different from my own expierence.
Thank you so much for watching, and if you'd like to share, what was your experience with Sonic?
I related a lot to your history with Sonic. Got myself thinking back to my love for the franchise.
@@OhBeeBumbles I'm just glad that this video did resonate with you! Thank you so much for watching!
I am a massive MASSIVE Sonic fan. Loved it as a kid, stopped doing anything Sonic related until I was like around 12-13 during my summer vacation. Had a huge Sonic phase during that time. Then got back into it around summer of 2018, when I was 15 turning 16 and started seeing all the negative stuff said about Sonic. It upset me and made me mad that the reason a lot of Sonic games dipped in quality was because of people who don't even like Sonic criticizing it.
But throughout all that, I kept my passion for the series. And seeing the resurgence of absolute great Sonic content in the 2020s has got me excited to be a Sonic fan.
A little story, during my sophomore year of high school, my friends asked around the table who we liked better between Mario or Sonic. Everyone said Mario, but I said Sonic and had a lot of confused stares at me and that's when one friend started shitting on Sonic to my face. Ironically, that only made me like Sonic more than I had back then and got me back in my Sonic phase (which now won't go away).
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Wow! I'm glad you stood your ground and embraced your love for Sonic to your friends, despite them downplaying it to uplift Mario!
Either way, I'm glad you're back in the franchise! 👍
This is pretty much word for word my same experience with the franchise as well. Even down to getting stuck at those fans for a bit before checking the manual to see if it mentioned the triangle dive at all. Colors was the very first Sonic game that left me feeling disappointed. Even after all this time, I still haven’t learned to like the performances of the 2010s voice cast. From Colors to Frontiers, the only game I genuinely loved was Generations. Mania was well made, but I wanted all original stages instead of the ones I’ve already played a million times. Frontiers has some good aspects and ideas, but it felt way too much like a fan made proof of concept. The cyberspace stages were all super short and generic, and the open zones have nothing to offer once you collect everything. Even the story and writing felt rather off to me. It was trying so hard to be serious and not be like Forces/Colors, that it forgot to include more lighthearted and fun moments. We literally went from Baldy McNosehair to existential crisis. I will admit that I found existential crisis to be less irritating, but I still wouldn’t call it “good” for Sonic. Sonic games need a nice mix of both lightheartedness and seriousness. I always felt the best examples for that were Adventure 1 and Unleashed. I also enjoy plenty of character interactions. The Riders games were always some of my favorites in that regard. Maybe the next full game will take everything they learned from Frontiers, and make something truly great again.
I'm glad this video was able to resonate with you! Just like you, I hope the franchise really goes back to what truly made people enjoy 3D Sonic the most!
As of recently ive been looking back on this era around 2003 to 2008 and even crying from time to time tears of joy of how much i love this era especially with sonic, i even started playing the advance series and even play the Japanese version no reasons, soon im gonna play riders, i love this era and ill say it a million times, so many people missed the point back then, you see alot of people now looking back seeing the issue we have now, i distanced myself from sonic after i saw sonic speed simulator and frontiers came out im glad if people enjoyed it i didnt, it wasnt until i played freedom planet 2 that i went back and played older sonic games again because it reminded to enjoy the parts of media that means alot to you, dont force yourself to enjoy someone you know you wont enjoy. Thank you for making this video it was a great way to start my day by watching it.
I'm glad this video and many others from other content creator was able to to resonate with you! The 2000s era of Sonic is an era I'll always love and cherish, even if it there were quite a few things about it that didn't work!
Thank you for watching and I'm glad you found this video!
"-and that's why as long as they put out a good game, I'm always going to be there for him, just like how he was for me". I have a tear coming down from what you said there. Same for me and I'm sure many others. I was born when Sonic came out in 1991 and am a fan since. Amazing video.❤
When I was editing that last portion of the video, I got so emotional several times just hearing myself say that and editing the clips to go along with it! ❤ I'm so happy that line resonated with you as all of it was coming from the bottom of my heart for Sonic!
I'm also glad to see quite a few older fans of the series who've been around since the start in the 90s! I legit wasn't even expecting that but I'm happy all the same! Thank you so much for watching!
@@Jman88933 That's interesting to hear that about the video making process. Yes was definitely a powerful message, video and some nostalgia, all. I went on Sonic sites too. Lol Pumped for Sonic X Shadow Generations!!❤❤❤
@@qtstar9479 You and me both! 😁🤘
I'd describe SEGA the way gaming journalist Yahtzee Croshaw once described Capcom: "They're not bad people - they're just IDIOTS."
In many cases, thats pretty accurate. XD
Not me literally playing Crash N Sane Trilogy with this video on in the background when you referenced it 😂 I was like, holy shit, does he know????
@ibitejawbreakers61 Thats crazy! Hahaha.
Then again, maybe I do know. 😉 XD but thanks for watching the video, man!
Frontiers really did make me enjoy this serious again. Incredible Boss Fights and OST, a whole new transformation which SEGA hasn’t done since Black Knight and playable Tails, Knuckles and Amy. All incredible stuff
Frontiers was definitely a good game and totally introduced a lot of new elements to Sonic that I love, as you said with the boss fights and new transformation! It just still wasn't really one of my favorite Sonic games out there.
This video makes me kinda sad, as a kid my first sonic game was classic collection on the ds and I loved the games it included because they were fun and visually appealing with their bright colours
So of course when I got a Wii I was excited to see how sonic would be in 3d so I picked up a copy of sonic unleashed and it felt nothing like what I expected sonic to be, the story to me felt like the series forgot about its theme of freeing the animals and instead was trying to be cool but it left me feeling like the series lost itself, combine that with the more realistic environments and focus on gameplay I felt didn’t belong in this series I decided that sonic wasn’t good in 3d
I held this opinion until I saw a RUclips review talking about how sonic colours was actually a really good sonic game and so i begrudgingly decided to give it a shot and then I was so happy because this was the sonic that I recognized from that ds game, bright colourful cartoony environments, a story about saving creature from being tortured by eggman and I found the comedy funny from then on I decided that this was a series I love
However because I lacked any consoles above the Wii I was forced to play the older 3d games and did grow to like them while still believing colours was what sonic should be in 3d
Eventually I did get myself an Xbox 360 with a copy of Sonic generations and this continued the colours thing about freeing helpless creatures from dr eggman so I was really happy
I couldn’t play lost world because I lacked a Wii u but I loved how the gameplay looked like the classic collection but in 3d and I really liked how it kept the environmental message in its story even tho it tried to be darker, I also really liked zavok and thought he was the best sonic villain to date
When forces was getting promoted I was so excited to see them continue the generations thing but with those more detailed stories from the 2000’s games and I thought the game was a good but nothing special but then I saw everyone online hating it and saying the 2010’s which I originally thought was the renaissance of sonic was now the series at its downfall and that the 2000’s games were better
Being an impressionable teen by this point I agreed with them for years until 2021 when colours ultimate was coming out and everyone was complaining about the game getting picked for a remaster over unleashed and at that moment I realized that I love the 2010’s era the most and I would defend it because to me this is what sonic meant to me
When frontiers was being announced I was heartbroken it felt like the series I loved was caving into the mean people who I was constantly defending my opinions on for the last year and it almost made me leave the series
But then I heard that frontiers wasn’t ignoring the 2010’s era and instead embraces all its eras and then I decided that what I should do, have my preferences but just love the series that brought me joy
So while I respect your opinion on the series I do think dismissing games like lost world by the way it looked was not cool and I also really think you should think about this line you said “all those bad games were still bringing in new sonic fans” and yes they were just like the 2010’s
Honestly at this rate I wouldn’t be suprised if by 2030 the 2010’s fans make videos like this and say the 2020’s era made them not wanna be sonic fans anymore
So in short I’m sorry for this long comment but I felt it was important to try and show why I love the 2010’s era and I hope my comment has inspired you to look at it in a more positive light
Apologies for taking a while to respond to this!
Despite everything I was saying in this video, don't ever take this as me knocking anyone who loved Sonic in the 2010s from Colors and onward. From what I was reading from your comment, it sounds like you're a lot younger than me. Which means if the Sonic you grew up with was the one depicted from Colors, Gens, Lost World, and so on from that era of Sonic, then kudos to you man! I will never take that away from you nor will I shame you. In fact, I think its kinda cool that you found enjoyment from that era of Sonic! At the end of the day, its just a video game, and its not that serious XD.
As for the response, I understand that certain things that many of us late 90s/early 2000s fans love about Sonic may not appeal to you or anyone who was born much later. So if Sonic saving cute animals from Eggman is all you need to satisfy you, I think thats awesome! But for me, Sonic The Hedgehog was a lot more than that. Sonic, to me, was an icon. He was a symbol of a cool kid/hero I always wanted to be since I was a kid. And what helped elevate a lot of that was the much grander stories and seeing all of these other awesome characters respond to the higher stakes and to Sonic himself. As for Sonic Colors Ultimate, even though its not my preferred pick for a Sonic remaster(I'd go for Heroes more than Unleashed XD), I still would've supported it and bought a copy of it myself if the remaster wasn't so poorly done.
Now here's the big point you mentioned: Sonic Lost World. I understand that the game has its fans, including yourself, and I'll never dunk on you for that. But you need to understand where many people, such as myself, were coming from in regards to the negativity surrounding that game. Sonic The Hedgehog was so cool to me because he created trends. He followed his own rules and became a powerhouse of a franchise by doing his own thing and being a unique platformer, that frankly no other franchise could even COMPARE to even today. Sonic was cool because he was Sonic. He had his own vibe, and his own way of providing fun game design. Games like Sonic Colors, and *especially* Sonic Lost World, were made during the times SEGA was ashamed of their own legacy they created with 3D Sonic games up to that point. They no longer were confident using their own formula, that they've been using since 1998, for 3D Sonic game design. Thus, they thought the best idea to win back the favor of fans(moreso Western gaming journalists) was to have Sonic act a lot more like Mario. You can see that through the designs and aesthetics if all the stages in Sonic Lost World. I love Mario. Always did for as long as I can remember. But Sonic The Hedgehog is not Mario. I don't love Sonic because his games felt similar to Mario, I loved Sonic because his games *weren't* like Mario. And thats the key point here as to why a lot of people were not fans of the 2010s era of Sonic. It felt like SEGA had no idea what they wanted Sonic to be, due to themselves being ashamed of their legacy with 3D Sonic games of the past, and were just following trends set by completely different franchises. The exact *opposite* direction that Sonic was in decades prior. I hope this puts into better perspective of why I feel the way I feel!
Anyways, thank you so much for watching and taking the time to respond!
@@Jman88933 hey no problem man and yeah I get it like I said I did grow to like all eras of sonic I just found myself preferring the 2010’s because to me it felt more like the sonic I was exposed too
Also I’m a 2002 kid so I’m not much younger then you I just didn’t get into sonic until way later
The last thing I’ll respond too is that the reason I initially felt so disconnected with sonic from 1998-2009 is because it felt like the series was trend chasing, in the late 90’s multiple gameplay styles were popular so they had the adventure games have multiple play styles, shooting games were big in the mid 2000’s let’s have a sonic game with firearms, the Xbox 360 had games trying to look realistic let’s make the 15th anniversary game look realistic and lastly god of war clones were popular in the late 2000’s let’s add that into unleashed
To me the 2010’s just felt like the series wasn’t trying to jump on popular trends anymore and instead was trying to be the series it was when it started out
Also while I agree lost world kinda looked like Mario gameplay wise it was actually looking pretty close to watch sonic x-treme was looking like but I do agree the result does bare a resemblance to Mario galaxy
As for lost world’s plot I honestly think that game was the closest the decade got to a story from the 2000’s, the stakes were high, characters did die, Eggman got overthrown and needed to team up with sonic, all it was missing was a super sonic final boss fight and a rock inspired vocal theme
My point is lost world to me is very overlooked by 2000’s sonic fans even tho I felt it was very similar to the 2000’s games in everything except artstyle even the tone is like unleashed which is where humor started being inserted into sonic games
this decade really made me sit down and think about everything that's happened recently, and it made me realize what's been missing about the 2010s:
Sonic is finally cool again.
Frontiers' boss fights, the return of the metal soundtracks, final horizon and dream team bringing back both multiple playable characters AND super forms, the promo animations showing proper characterization and lore, the movies, IDW, Prime's animation, and now Sonic x Shadow Generations
It's all unapologetically Sonic, and that's all we've been asking for
Sonic is not *exactly* where I'd want him to be in coolness yet, but I will acknowledge that hes in a MUCH better position than he was in the 2010s. As much as I appreciate Ian Flynn with how he handles the comics and the story of Frontiers, I feel that I'll truly never like Sonic as much as I used to as a kid, unless Shiro Maekawa is writing the stories of the games again.
8 minutes in, specifically 7:59 and you're making me cry because of all the personal memories we share from the flying character in Ocean Palace to waking up early on Saturday mornings to watch Sonic X when I hated waking up early. This is beautiful.
Edit: 9:13, yeah I'm convinced we're spiritual/dimensional brothers because that is so me.
If there's one thing I learned from you and a lot of these people commenting, telling me that my childhood was a near 1:1 reflection of there's, is that you're never alone in regards to your hobbies as a kid. At least when it comes to spirit! I'm glad that my personal memories resonated with you that much, man! And it also makes me happy that I wasn't the only one struggling with Ocean Palace with those fans XD!
Thank you so much for watching spiritual brotha!
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@@Jman88933 You're welcome! I enjoyed this video. I grew up bullied for being a Sonic fan, I'd always draw Sonic in school instead of classwork, I'd walk around school with people shouting at me "SONIC SUCKS" and it didn't compute to me how such a cool guy like Sonic could be bad, and I'd always go home and play Sonic because the world of Sonic was my safe space where I could be happy and this was before social media bullied me for loving Sonic. Sonic taught me to never let others get to me no matter the pressure and I loved Sonic no matter what people said, I formed my own opinions and not blindly listened to bandwagon hate. I even introduced friends to hated Sonic games who have never played it and they enjoyed it, proving the bandwagon haters wrong. Whenever the characters cheered me on during the final boss fights, they were talking to me through the game and it gave me a personal boost. I love Sonic's friends.
Thank you for making this video, my friend! 🤟🏻 It's way past cool!
@AzureXEyes64
Trust me, dude. We've all been there! I really appreciate the fact that you felt comfortable sharing this! Sonic fans for life! 😎🤘
I thank you for this video cause this is nearly how I feel as a sonic fan and still am to this day. Also was a 2000s kid, so I heavily relate the experience. Going through the 2010s was downright miserable to see sonic like this. Many times where I knew it was over like sonic's new voice in colors (roger still an amazing va), lost world's new playstyle after generations, the unfortunate of sonic boom, and what really did for me was the moment classic sonic shown up at the forces trailer. Now it's such a confusing time as a fan. Froniters is like a C tier sonic game imo, new medias like the movies are good, but still aren't favorable to me, we're still going back to nostalgia based games like shadow x sonic, but I would still look into it, and superstars honestly I highly appreciate it but it isn't really progressing the series imo. I think what sonic needs is something like Frontiers where it feels like it matters and the game takes itself seriously to be a worthy contender, but it still isn't ideal since the game honestly needed more time in the oven. I still like sonic, but this series is still not making me care enough. I'd still look into the current sonic stuff, but sonic 1991-2009 is gone. Which that bit of myself is now only a memory.
I'm glad we share similar mindsets man! Just like you, I also want an original 3D Sonic game thats going to knock all of our socks off. But thats unfortunately all up to SEGA and Sonic Team if they're willing to accept and learn to be proud of the franchise's past and take the great elements from that and apply it to new games. While also listening *carefully* to criticism.
@@Jman88933 Only time will tell 🙏 also I loved hearing your childhood apartment story definitely sounds like something of its time and feels nostalgic.
@@summysailar I do indeed miss the days of couch co-op! Online is cool and all but the days of kids going to each others houses to play video games is becoming fewer and fewer.
I think i just found myself another underrated channel. This was a great retrospective on your take for the series because i got into it around 2006 as well. My first Sonic game was Sonic Advance on the GBA and like you I really love the cast of characters and world building of thr franchise and i always wanted to see what new adventures these cast of characters would go on. Like you i was obsessed with Sonic stuff on the Internet but i wasn't aware about all the stuff the series got from 2006-2009. I still love Colors and Generations and I'm glad I got to play those but something did feel off about the direction Sonic was going. I even got a Wii U just to play Lost World and it felt pretty meh to me and Yea i was excited about Sonic Boom thinking it would be a cool new spin off series. 2015 is where i just had to step away from the franchise. I also got into jrpgs at the time to and yea i would go back to play the games i would love like Unleashed and Adventure 1&2 but it really sucked that Sonic was a joke throughout the gap between Lost World and Forces. But with Frontiers and Sonic X Shadow Generations i feel like we are in a better direction than how the franchise was in the 2010s where Sega was having a identity crisis with the franchises and just doing whatever to their mascot and critics being extremely unfair or having over exaggerating thoughts on the franchise. To see people be excited that Kingdom Valley and Shadow having doom powers makes me very happy. And great video man 😊
@noah_ignis
I don't know if I'd say I'm underrated since I'm still a new content creator trying to figure things out here XD, but you have no idea how much I appreciate this dude! Its awesome to see you, and I had similar experiences regarding Sonic! And just like you, I'm so happy people were happy seeing 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog PS2/Gamecube representation in Shadow Generations!
I'm glad you mentioned you're into JRPGs as well because the next video I have planned is going to be about one of my favorite JRPG franchises. If you plan on sticking around, you'll be seeing more content like this, anime, cartoons, movies, tv shows, and any other nerd that catches my interest! Thank you so much for watching, man!
No problem man and thanks for the follow on Twitter I find it amazing how almost everyone in the comments section probably born in the early 2000s has had similar experiences being introduced to Sonic
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I'm just happy you went out of your way to follow me on Twitter XD!
That's actually sorta the direction I want to go with this channel! I really want this channel to be the place where a lot of us early 2000s kids could come to chill and talk about all the great stuff we had on TV, to games, movies etc! We're all the similar in spirit thanks to Sonic!
I’m a Sonic fan myself and seeing Sonic’s resurgence in popularity really makes me happy. Regardless of the ups and downs, Sonic is an iconic franchise that will find some way to reach a new generation
@rickyronny4019
Yeah, I'm glad the movies and Sonic Frontiers are making people remember the icon that Sonic once was! This franchise will always mean the world to me!
@@Jman88933 yeah. And the new Shadow Generations game looks great
@rickyronny4019
Agreed, man! Agreed! 👍
This was a really well put together video! Had a great time listening and watching. Excited to see you gain more traction on your channel throughout the future!
@thomaswatson4770
Thank YOU for watching, man! I'm glad this video entertained you greatly, and thanks for the love! I'm just hoping the future of this channel is worthy of your stay!
Sonic heroes and mega collection+. What a good way to start the franchise
Thank you haha! Especially with Mega Collection because I'm glad I was able to understand why people loved Sonic in the 90s from a very young age!
Have been a Sonic fan since owning a PS2 in 2007. Outside of Shadow (Because parents wouldn't let me play it because guns) and Gems (Not in US for PS2, but did release in the US on GameCube), I got all the Sonic PS2 releases at the time. Asked my parents for a Wii to play Sonic Colors, Secret Rings and Black Knight (Along with games like Smash Brawl, Lego Star Wars III, Lego Indiana Jones 2 and Mario Galaxy) then found out the Wii model I had at the time can play GameCube games so I got both Adventure games and Gems as well.
I enjoyed so many Sonic games. Even games like Forces and 06. Only Sonic games I didn't enjoyed are 3D Blast, all three Boom games and Free Riders.
No matter how many bumps in the road Sonic will forever be one of my favorites. Along with Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Mega Man, Spyro the Dragon, Psychonauts, Crash Bandicoot and Ty the Tasmanian Tiger.
And the fact we got a movie trilogy, makes me more happier people will enjoy the Blue Blur for the coming years!
The Wii model I had also could play Gamecube games but I sadly didn't find that out until much later when Gamecube games were no longer being sold. But I'm glad all those games gave you a lot of fun, even the ones that most people weren't fans of!
You got some great tastes in gaming man!
@@LegionOfWorldWarriors Yeah, the Sonic movie is the best thing to happen to this franchise in years, and its finally allowing us to experience high morale with Sonic again in the industry!
@@Jman88933 Surprised it took them this long to make a Sonic movie. Here's a video on previous attempts on a Sonic Movie, though contains outdated info on Paramount Sonic considering that video came out before the redesign or even the proper reveal. ruclips.net/video/w23ZI3uGv9w/видео.html
Then again, series like Spider-Man and Astro Boy also took decades to get a movie. Hell, Ratchet and Clank, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy and even Postal got movies before Sonic!
First generation sonic fans enjoying next-generation sonic fans bring entrusted about sonic the way we did.
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Its a great thing to see!
I remember my dad getting me a DS with Sonic Rush for Christmas. Looking back. I miss those days. I miss my dad and brother. It’s so nice to see people who also grew up with this franchise and are now in their 20’s and we can gush about it.
Sonic Rush is a game I still always wanted to play! Its awesome that your dad got you that for Christmas!
Yeah dude! Every since I entered my 20s 4 years ago, I started missing my childhood more everyday. Sonic is the symbolization of the simpler times of my life and I miss it!
crazy that you said that cause my first sonic game was Sonic Rush that my dad got me i think for my birthday or Christmas😂
@@powerduck8209
You guys got great fathers! 😁👍
@@Jman88933 thanks lol😂
Correction Shiro Maekawa was only gone from Sonic due to leaving SEGA. Pontac and Graff stepped on partly due to their involvement with a previous SEGA game (Madworld).
Oh, is this true? Thanks for the correction, then! After reading a few recent interviews from Shiro Maekawa, he said he'd be 100% willing to work on Sonic again if SEGA approached him.
Im sonic fan cause you can tell by my pfp but not original sonic sonic exe even if people clown on him he made a big impact on me and other people and the gaming verse as well
If Sonic EXE got you invested in this series, then thats awesome! Thanks for watching!
@@Jman88933 the fact that sonic exe is such a powerful sonic character or especially the stronger versions of him goku fans or really any other fanbase. Are really denial on how powerful he is especially since hes quite mid in writing but if people decided to research. And look up sonic exe's feats and abilities they would realise hes op.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video from top to bottom. Please make a video where you discuss the music of Sonic. It's both wild and funny how fans born in the same era of a game series can have about the same opinion. Its not like an assembly line based on the year but I shared abt 90% of the opinions you had simply based on the fact that I got into Sonic around the same time you did. Glad you touched on the unspeakable feelings of the direction of the Sonic franchise from Frontiers>going on. I thought I hated Sonic but when I saw the familiar respect injected back into the series from Frontiers, I was sucked back in while desperately trying to bury it like I had all these years. Side Note: I doubt I'm the only one but I loved as a kid how the Sonic series music was the spring to get into rock and roll music (even metal music with frontiers). The lyrics are cheesy but deeply uplifting and motivational. Great video, and I hope you upload more.
Haha, I wouldn't mind making an hour long video of me saying "SONIC MUSIC IS AWESUM!!!!" but I'm not sure that'd be too engaging to watch XD. But Sonic music was seriously awesome back then. I'm glad we share a lot of the same views on Sonic man! Thank you so much for watching and I'll try to be consistent!
I feel mostly the same way about the franchise. Except I started with Sonic 2 😅 Not much to really dispute through this whole video
Oh man, just wait until you dig into the amazing fan games. They're what's keeping my love for the franchise alive for now.
@MarkerMurker
Oh, I've played a lot of them! Namely, the tournament editions of Sonic Riders/Zero Gravity, and Project 06! Loved both of them! The fans are incredible with all the works they've contributed to this franchise!
I've been with the franchise since it's beginning, my first been Sonic 2 on the Mega Drive and still hold the classics near and dear to my heart. I just find it so upsetting that the rest of the characters are largely forsaken in favour of shoving Shadow down people's throats all because he's some big-shots favourite at Sega.
Oh, you been around from the start? Nice!
Yeah I miss the rest of the cast too but what I think they're doing with Shadow is that they're using him as a test for SEGA to see if the world is "ready" for multiple playable characters again.(God that "stupid friends" mindset is still so dumb)
@@Jman88933 I hope so. We got a taste of the good ol' times with Frontiers, I really hope we can have a Sonic game with multiple Fully playable characters again.
@RedTygon
Dude, if we can have a Sonic game with all the playable characters from Sonic Heroes and more, I'd be SO STOKED! I love the cast of characters so much.
As someone born in 98 I seemed to have a very similar experience to you and yeah I skipped colours only playing the far superior DS version but when i got Generations on my ps3, yeah something felt off. And Lost World was the first game I honestly just didn't even want. I was given it along with my Wii U anyway and can appreciate it for what it is but I can't believe I'm actually excited for a new Sonic game or rather Shadow game. With Shadow being my favorite character of all time. it's just weird to actually see genuine effort from sega. Like it looks too good, legit where's the catch?
Ah, two years older than me, nice! Glad we share a lot of the same experiences with Sonic, and just like you, I'm really looking forward to Shadow Generations! It looks like they're finally doing Shadow justice since 06!
@@Jman88933 I know right? Did not have Metal Overlord on my bingo card for this...
@@joshwillcox7141 Bringing any references from Heroes is my weakness XD so they're definitely pulling me in with this!
@@Jman88933 Heroes was actually the first Sonic game I owned but I didn't really get it but then about twn years later I gave it another shot and fully beat it but didn't think it was that great then after several more playthroughs and learning more about how the game actually works it might be my favorite game of all time. I just finished my 6th save file on the gamecube version as I originally had it on ps2 but had to get the superior version.
I’m happy more people who grew up with sonic in the mid-late 2000s are coming out as to why these games can be good
Be wise to not take this as me putting out the notion that the 2000s was a near perfect decade, because it wasn't. As I said, a lot of stinkers came out during that era too.
But we had just as much great qualities from the 2000s as well and thats why I'll always love it!
@Jman88933 true but alot of people treat these games as if they had no redeeming qualities. Some of the hate was just blind hate.
@@Natt._.han569Very true. A lot of dumb crap has been said about the 2000s games and it made me wish all of us were old enough to speak our voices to SEGA back then so that the company would be able to hear our opinions as well and not just the game journos!
I hate to make this overly long, and I know its a brief segment in the video, but I 100% agree with your take on Amy, she was always my favorite character, and the fandom missed the point of her character! Amy's current state is one of my biggest pet peeves with modern female characters. The sanitized female character who becomes a too perfect girlboss because people react to the extreme. I very much prefer a middle ground for the character, I feel like Murder of Sonic did her character so well that it baffles me it isn't the direction they took with her. I've always liked Amy and felt her hate was WAY too overexaggerated and people just looking too much into things based on either systemic views or emotional response. Amy in the modern day has basically become the generic female voice of reason trope, which is the most stale, overdone version of a female character in media. It was basically the ONLY trait female characters had in 70s, 80s and 90s media (especially in regard to early Superhero or video game genre when they weren't filling the damsel in distress role. It was also what defined the girl of the group in sitcoms, where the girl out of a group of wacky guys only served to be a boring sterilized female character whose main train other than being a girl is being kind, when she isn't just being another girlboss.) yet these were kinds of female characters critics complained about, but somehow its seen as acceptable for Amy due to specific views on her older character. See how female characters are always in a double standard? (yet these same people always rant about gender specifics with DS in their rants that most of the time come off as vent sessions about systemic issues that often times isn't what the dynamic is displaying at all) But how is this any less "one dimensional" than her old persona like people say it is, it's literally having less bones in character than previously because she's just a generic female but lacks any flaws, dynamics or rough edges. The ONLY difference is they prefer that version and then say she isn't like that. And it's ironic too, because the detractors who like Amy's modern persona you almost never see them define what her personality actually is, they just compare that she isn't like she was before, then say she has character. Which is NOT making the case for a more dynamic character, you're just complaining who she was before. And when reasons are given, they don't amount to anything more complex than her previous person, they just took away her liking Sonic.
Because these are the same people who would criticize female characters like Amy's modern portrayal, but because she fits the character they want her to be like, especially when you consider for years that she was hated nobody ever offered any discussion on how to improve her character, they just complained about her existence, while exaggerating everything she did, with no substance how to improve her. Now because she fits how THEY want her to be she's good, when if you were to have a female character like Modern Amy, she'd be criticized for being a generic female voice of reason/girlboss. I also don't consider her new character "development" when there wasn't any reason development that happened, they just changed her character's motive from before. (especially with the bio change in SXS Generations, lending more credence to this) I also defend the notion that Amy wasn't a stalker in most of her appearances in the 90s or 2000s, it's literally just the worst-case scenario label they throw out just because of how extreme she could be, but honestly if you analyze her in the games. Sonic is a guy who is known to always be on a run, he never likes to be in one place and always goes whenever, Amy was always portrayed as someone with her own life who just happened to be fantasizing about Sonic in moments, we see her because it was always implied it had been sometime since their last excursion. With Sonic always being on the run, it would make sense that the only way Amy could make her move would be to chase him down, it's just that her extreme advances were something Sonic either had no time for or were too aggressive. And her chasing Sonic down did have positive effects on her character.
Not only that, I think people really use surface level lens to judge the element of "immaturity" all they did was change how she expresses her feelings to Sonic. She's also a 12-year-old girl, do people think kids aren't extreme with their emotions? That they all should be straight laced and sanitized? Amy's idea of love is just an immature way of thinking because well that's who she was! When it comes to Sonic Heroes, this is the most overcriticzed version of Amy. And is the one where people are really taking the context of her WAY to seriously. It was established from the beginning cutscene Amy has her own life, she's chilling on a beachside with Cream and Big wondering the whereabouts of their missing friends, she is even having friendly conversations with them. Amy fantasizes about Sonic, but that's a normal thing to do when you haven't seen someone in a while, the paper just happens to remind her of Sonic because he was on the paper. The Newpaper saw Sonic with their missing friends, by this logic Team Rose have a motive to all be going after Sonic. With Amy, sure there is a bonus in that she gets to find him personally, but that also means even in spite of that she has a motive to find Sonic that ties with her. I also find that scene vs Team Sonic to be taken WAY to literally, the implication has NOTHING to do with abuse its just something people inject into the scene, which is actually translated differently in Jap version. It's just an excuse to start the boss fight. I also don't see what's so wrong with that because it isn't like she just ditches her friends upon encountering Team Sonic the first time, during the boss fight AMY is the one who asks Team Sonic about their missing friends, with Team Sonic honestly being flippant and dismissive of it. There is nothing wrong with Amy's advances being treated as a flaw in their pursuit because it isn't coming to anybody's detriment. In fact, after they fight Team Sonic, the goal becomes to find Eggman and Amy is the one who encourages her team to keep going. She only leaves after her friends had their happy ending and Cream points out Sonic TO her.
And if she does still like Sonic, the games don't do a good job showing it, but if you want to use the excuse "she moved on" then that should be something the writing clears up, not an opened ended thing where you're constantly left asking "does like him, does she not like him" It's just bad writing otherwise. Because nowadays, she doesn't have any flaws whatsoever and doesn't play off of Sonic in any interesting way. There isn't a dynamic with them anymore and her new role just amounts to "Sonic's friend who is a girl" whereas given Amy's previous wild card persona you can just fit her into the story to do whatever. Hell in Sonic Dream Team her personality is literally just "female Sonic" yet her classic design is criticized for being Sonic but girl. LOL Hypocritical much?
Don't worry about long responses man, I'm just happy that at just the idea of people having a lot to say about the things I discuss in my videos! :D
I'm glad what I said about Amy resonated with you, as we're totally on the same page about her. The thing with Amy is that many people within the Sonic fandom has this perception of Amy that they want the character to be, and if Amy doesn't reflect that, its instantly a negative on her part. If you've watched the full video, this goes back to where I said "SEGA needs to listen *carefully* to their consumers" because the fact that many critics see Amy's psychotic love for Sonic as something she needs to "mature out of" or "respect Sonic's space" tells me they completely missed the point of the character. Because its exactly as you said, she's 12 years old and her behavior towards Sonic with her emotions is intentionally supposed to be exaggerated to showcase to the audience, playing these games, that you're NOT supposed to go this far if you have feelings for someone. And the crazier part is that so many people fall into this misconception that Amy's love for Sonic is all there is to her character. Which couldn't be further from the truth as I explained through the segment about Amy.
Amy is one of the many things that goes into why Frontiers just didn't really do much for me in the end as a game or narrative. But what I hope will happen is that Ian Flynn hears some of the criticism the fans have about Amy and take that under consideration when writing her in the future, or best case scenario, SEGA calls up Shiro Maekawa to come back and assist with the story writing of these games again.
Either way, thank you so much for watching, dude!
Nice Job Man. That hard work paid off
@crwnoblivion1758 Hell yeah dude! Thanks a whole bunch!
34:13 and the thing is, even Mario has stinkers, yes more than 1 and thats mostly in the 90's and not counting how Sunshine was treated too
@KazShiro I think people are more accepting of Mario's lesser quality titles because they're all exclusively spinoff games. None of the mainline Mario titles ever dipped into mediocre category, which is why people tend to only focus on his positives.
So much drama could've been avoided if sonic team made sure sonic's friends were actually fun to play as
And thats the crazy part! None of the characters were bad on paper, its just that SEGA wasn't give them the proper care and attention to their gameplay styles that they needed.
@Jman88933 mania got away with 5 playable characters while sonic team couldn't be trusted to just get sonic right
@@NKL3085 Its easier to handle multiple playable characters in 2D since its a less complicated field of design.
But yeah, Sonic Team has a lot of issues. But to be fair, the CEOs at SEGA are not helping them at all.
Sonic is way past cool
You know it dude! 😎👍
Switching the tv during the commercial breaks.... i thought i was the only one 😢....sorry your mom stopped buying games, my mom shelter us so we didn't have friends to meet outside unless it was during school so as much as she also didn't like V games she had to get them (this was the time before streaming whatever you want & there were a lot of infomercials) cuz we had nothing else but games digimon (season 1&2) & Smallville.
Sonic X was just so much fun to watch, that I COULD NOT AFFORD to miss any minute of an episode that was airing on 4KidsTV. But I also wanted to continue playing Sonic Unleashed so badly XD. But yeah, my mom was never keen on me gaming. She sorta has that old-school mentality. But if there's one main message I want to push with this channel, its that as long as your tending your life responsibilities, especially as an adult, then you should never give up the things that you love. If your hobbies are what truly make you happy, then hold onto it and never let it go. Who is anyone to tell you to give up something that truly makes you smile?
But yeah, thanks for watching man!
Ayyyy Sick Video. Thanks ik im awesome btw. i stuck it out, to the end.
You are indeed awesome, haha! Thanks for watching! 👍
great video man!
@@freezeblazestar1079 Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed watching!
@@Jman88933 your welcome
I became a Sonic fan with Mega Collection + on the OG Xbox
@sanicsanic6890 That's awesome, man! Glad the OG XBOX brought you in!
Yeah Sonic is one that flaws and all, means a lot to me no matter what
@@madkaiser4887 I couldn't agree more, man!
same to me man
Bro is just like me.
Like you as in....elaborate please? XD
@@Jman88933 A Sonic fan. 🫡
@@relaxedhoodie7309 Oh okay! :D
0:23 what is this song called? I love it 😭
All songs used in the video are in the description. As well as in the order as used in the timeline of the video!
The song is a studio remix of Beyond The Speed Of from Sonic Runners. ruclips.net/video/GwQZUM3bRI0/видео.htmlsi=GlEjSx3Ncla0jbMy
Don't worry, I love it too! 😁👍
@@Jman88933 thanks
@@SuspiciousCat13 No problem!
Nice video, enjoyed watching it while inside my Rubix cube.
Gee, I wonder who this could be? 🤣 Well, thanks for watching anyway, Gojo!
If you really liked it, then why don't you do a brother a favor and get me a date with Nobara? 😎
You were 10 when Sonic Colors came out?? Young person lol (I'm older than Sonic in America x'D); the writing in that game turned me off too and I hardly played the games but I enjoy the lore (except the "storybook" games and Unleashed.. werehog form is clunky and weird)
@IZZYCHAN13
Oh shoot! You're that much older?! Wow!
Also, it's perfectly understandable about your stances on the stories of Unleashed and the Storybook games! I'm just glad you found some in Sonic! 👍
@@Jman88933 Heh heh x'D I'm very attached to the Japanese version of Sonic (better writing, dialogue) and SatAM Sonic on the American side (dark story which Forces tried? to be); to each fan their own--thanks for the video =]
@IZZYCHAN13
Yeah, thats the one thing I've seen a lot of people praise, the Japanese versions! 😲 I definitely should try playing these games in Japanese one day. I just wish any of the TV channels I used to watch growing up showed reruns of Sonic SatAM. Instead, Disney XD gave us Sonic Underground haha.
But thank you so much for watching this video!
I don’t understand why we don’t have any more Sonic Rider games. Sure Sonic Free Riders is bad on regards of it not working. But I think anyone who has played Sonic riders and sonic riders zero gravity would agree that they are the best kart racers ever made. It’s pretty much Mario kart mix with SSX snowboarding
Go back to basics Sonic Riders and create a handful of new tracks And Fortnite style shop for characters, outfits and boards As long as it’s not too expensive to purchase items. I’m sure it would print money as I’m positive there’s a lot of people that just wanna play Sonic Riders again
@xaviersejour9183
Dude, I legit thought of making a video titled "SEGA, PLEASE bring back Sonic Riders!". Its still my favorite racing game ever. More than Mario Kart and F-Zero.
The thing with SEGA is that they have a dumb as hell mentality of "Oh, we made one screw up with a game? Scrap the whole series." They did this with Sonic Battle, they did this with Sonic Shuffle, and the Storybook games. SEGA needs to understand that none of these ideas are bad at all, its just about landing the correct execution!
I remember a track that was flipping between heaven and hell.
I think the main think with PlayStation 5 is that it can seamlessly load things. I think it would be so cool to have a 40 to 50 player elimination race That is randomly flipping through stages each lap
@@xaviersejour9183
If we can have Sonic Riders equivalent to F-Zero 99 on Nintendo Switch, it'd literally be one of the best things ever!
I know kids are stupid but you’re saying two kids in the same room failed to acknowledge the RED sign that says POWER? Got stuck on what is ultimately stage 1 act 2. And didn’t think about trying out the other characters including team Ross who forces a tutorial. Depending on how you wanna look at it you guys were happy that you’re able to beat one level or half of one level anyway. At the same time one of you was capable enough with computers to figure out how to find a walk-through on the Internet
I just thought about this There is a strong chance that there is a. “? “Simple That’s simple with blatantly tell you what to do and neither one of you touched that ?
@xaviersejour9183
Not gonna lie, its INCREDIBLY funny looking back on that, haha! 🤣 We both legitimately were that dumb lmao.
Hell, we didn't even know Team Rose was the easy mode until much later. But man, we loved the game anyway cause at the very least we could play the multiplayer.
Lmao, Sonic's stupid friends isn't a shallow criticism that doesn't come out of nowhere lol. You may be right about people saying that in 2000's but nowadays this exact criticism comes from sonic generations, sonic lost world (knuckles & amy) and slopic flopses where sonic's friends just exist and do absolutely nothing
@vadim_65rus
...so its not that Sonic's friends were "stupid", its that they weren't given anything to do in the 2010s. Right? 🤔
@@Jman88933yes, and they are often called useless cheerleaders
@@vadim_65rus
Okay, but what exactly makes them stupid?
There's a very distinct difference between having a character who, from a conceptual standpoint, is very idiotic/stupid versus a pre-existing likable character not being given anything substantial to do.
@@Jman88933why would I like a character that does nothing? Used to be likeable is more appropriate here. I enjoy side characters in earlier sonic games but in later ones they don't have any purprose, which is frustrating, making their existence stupid and detrimental to chars themselves
@vadim_65rus
Thats not what the word, "stupid" means.
In order for a character to be "stupid", they would need to do "stupid" things. A character simply existing in a game doesn't make them stupid, even if its not preferable to you.
"If sonic friends are STUPiD, why people like shadow arc from sa2 and get emotional at the ending"
Because you were 5 year old and didn't know any better.
Nostalgia is a fine reason to like a game, but claiming ALL the fans find that story good is a pretfy bald claim, especially when even in the 2000s there were a lot of fan doing the same criticisms of the game journos (although less mean spirited....or at least sone were less mean)
Okay. Lets break all this down!
First thing is a question I have to you: What does nostalgia have to do with millions of fans, including myself, appreciating a well written story and character arc? There were a lot of 5 year olds watching shows such as Dragon Ball Z and Naruto back in the day, shows that not only had well written stories and characters arcs, but were also technically targeted for teenagers.
Yes, I'm sure there were a sizeable group of people that weren't fans of Shadow as character or Adventure 2 in general. However what I said can hardly even be labeled as "bold". After Sonic Adventure 2 released, Shadow's debut game, he became one of, if not, the most popular character in the franchise of that specific time period in the early 2000s. In fact, that was one of the driving forces on why SEGA gave Shadow his own game, since the company put up a popularity character poll online, and Shadow was #1. You can read about that and the development of Shadow The Hedgehog here: info.sonicretro.org/Shadow_the_Hedgehog_(game)/Development
So if the MAJORITY of fans loved Shadow's character enough to spread the message to SEGA that they want to see him return in future games, despite SEGA initially wanting to keep him dead after Adventure 2, wouldn't that imply that Shadow's story was well received by the majority of people that played the game?
I also don't doubt there was a lot of criticism to Adventure 2 from a certain section of fans as well. However, you can say that about most franchises, when they try something different. Not everyone was on board with Super Mario Sunshine. Not everyone was on board with Jak 2. Not everyone was on board with Mega Man Legends. You get where I'm going with this? The point is that despite any backlash the franchise got, 3D Sonic games from 1998 all the way to 2003 got mostly positive feedback from fans. I hope I made things a little clearer!
i mean the VAST majority of people like sa2 the most as a game. its a LOT of people's favorite sonic game. Shadow had a well written arc, that concluded with a sacrifice MANY found emotional due to the setup of Shadow growing and changing from a villain to a hero side by side with Sonic. leave it to a guy that spells like a 5 year old to project his insecurities onto someone else.
@@Jman88933 nah, I ain't reading all that shit. Only thing I'm going to say is that people don't turn hostile out of nowhere and that over the years plenty of fair criticisms were pointed out about the 2000s games: before those there was a pre-establish style, tone and gameplay, and the 2000's did everything to distance themselves from that in the worst ways possible (because jumping from green hill to kissing terible written human princesses is such a Natural evolution, right?). The 2010 was justified, but you were too little to comprehend so that's why it feels like you were "betrayed"
@@KrowleyPineapples777 the "VAST" majority is more like a split, since over the years the game got a divisive reputation and people that says it's "well liked", usually don't go out of their eco chambers. I know this video is a personal perspective, but claiming SEGA was wrong to listening to feedback and that ALL THE FANS found the 2000s well executed and the 2010s the "trie dark age", feels very naive and "rose tinted glasses"-esque. I didn't even played sa2 when i was 5, i played during highschool with the Hd port came around and found that shit mid
@@lupinthenerd439 i mean, everywhere i look i see praise. Look on steam its very positive its very highly rated on other platforms and has tons of glowing articles if you just search an unbiased "is sonic adventure two a good game?" On basically any engine. I feel like you're one of the very few people who couldn't see the game for what it was. The best sonic game by basically everyone i knows opinion and seems to be from everywhere i look a very popular opinion. Sounds like you're the one in an echo** chamber lol.
Also the point in this video is they didn't listen to the fans. They listened to game journalists who are very different than the fans. You can see their opinions on places like steam just for example. Point being they were out of touch and complained about things MOST people enjoyed. Like sonics friends and Sonic having a more serious storyline. Everyone i see on this video is agreeing with it so ig.... You're in the minority again mr Lupinthenerd349. Really painful and embarrassing to see someone proudly put "nerd" in their name btw.
Sometimes I think I'm growing out of sonic, but then I remember, with the exception of mania, there hasn't been anything great since all stars racing transformed, in 2012 🗿, and when a series is dormant for that long you do kinda stop caring
I still like sonic, nearly everything before 2012 are some of my favourite games of all time, as of writing this I'm currently playing thru unleashed and having fun with it
theres a lack of focus, and let's be honest, this series would've died years ago if it wasn't for the movies
Maybe things will get better, maybe they won't idk 🫠
Sonic used to be the franchise that ruled the world alongside Mario in the world of gaming. How do you ruin a legacy that grand SEGA?! 😢😭
But I hope you're having a great time with Sonic Unleashed! Wish they ported that game to Playstation 4&5 since I don't have an XBOX. I really enjoy that one! But yeah when I got my PS3 and PS4 and started playing other games, I started to care less about Sonic, and I hate that that had to happen to the franchise thats closest to my heart!
For now, all we could do is hope for the best!
@@Jman88933 for sure, btw if you've got a decent pc you should be able to emulate unleashed decently, been playing it on the steam deck and it runs surprisingly well, bar the odd texture issue here and there 🫠
@@Cal_03 My PC is pretty powerful and I've thought about emulating XBOX 360 games before, but emulating huge games like that takes up a bunch of space that I'd rather not have cluttered up on my hard drive.
Thanks for the info tho!