At least in TV Tropes there are two types: harsh outside but sweet inside, and sweet outside but later on becomes (affectionately) harsh into the relationship.
@@Myticalcattnip She learned to become so good at Japanese that she gets called HoloJP by the JP members... all because she wanted to read the source material in original language... because there was a lack of translations back in the day, and she couldn't get her hands on the good stuff.
A pathetic tsundere is a tsundere who isn't good at being properly tsun or dere. Tsun is the act of pushing back: "it's not like I did this for you!" or "go away you pervert", while dere is the act of acting lovingly: "here, my bento, I don't want you to be hungry" or "a... at least you're only looking at me". A pathetic tsundere will not be able to do either of those things properly, neither being tsun nor dere, and just appearing like a weird girl. Which is kinda what Luna did there.
From the context, I'm guessing Anya isn't calling Luna's tsundere act pathetic, but is calling her portrayal a type of "pathetic tsundere." Not so much insulting as narrowing down the type.
anya seeing that luna worrying if she's not up to par with being a real tsundere and told her that she at least still landed on being a certain type of tsundere
I thought Anya tried to console Luna by saying "There are many type of tsundere" Reading the comments giving me insight that there ARE various type of tsundere and there IS 'pathetic tsundere'. Are we sure Anya is really Holo ID here?
The typical tsundere don't provoke the instinct to protect the tsundere but Luna's "nasakenai tsundere" does exactly that. Pathetic is one way to translate it... it's more like pitiful rather than pathetic IMO. Nevertheless, it's an official trope of the tsundere variant.
Anya is damn right, there's so many different types of tsunderes, and they are all react differently to situations. You could legit make a whole manga about a harem of the various tsundere archetypes...
Damnnnn Anya really roasted the heck out of Luna. I guess a "pathetic tsundere" example would be like Michiru Matsushima from Fruit of Grisaia. But girls are bound to look "pathetic" either way when Yūji Kazami is the MC.
I can't believe this day finally come. Where i get to see Luna, of all people in holojp. Interacting with Ollie, holoid😢. In 2023 most of my vtuber -related dreams were granted.
I think part of it was Ollie not hearing/understanding "iru" correctly. She either thought Luna said "inu" or she didn't understand the use of "iru" for "need." Regardless, seeing Luna get called nasakenai tsundere was hilarious.
A bit reluctant but shows intention to give it anyway and the receiver isn't confused by the act, unlike a real tsundere who gives mixed signals causing it to be all over the place, total confusion.
I miss sharp tongue anya. We use to have it on her early debut. But after she notice alot of M people flocking her stream looking to get scold, she turn it down by alot.
"Here's lunch. I made too much. It's not like I made it for you or anything. Baka!", As someone who has grown to hate the archetype, I just know that's what a tsundere would say in that situation. XD
Well, she's not wrong. The "I started cooking recently, and made too much food, so here have it so it doesn't go to waste" routine is pretty basic as far as Tsundere excuses go.
Its just mind-blowing that gaijin schooling multiple native jp about tsundere. Also Anya is known for her sharp words, but she's not doing it here. Its pathetic-kind of tsundere and not luna tsundere act is pathetic
Gosh hearing Anya's fluent Japanese is truly a gift
bro you have a grammar mistake let me fix it for you
"Gosh hearing Anya's natural Japanese is truly a gift"
there you go no need to thank me
sasuga Anya "jp member" Melfissa
Just what would you have expected from an honorary holojp
JP after all
she jp thats why
It's so great seeing Luna interacting more with holo members from other branch
Bu---t Anya is from...
Has Luna interacted with EN?
@FreinHowe Not very much, I'm hoping to see more interaction with them & collabs
@@FreinHoweonly during big events
@@Nighto-dk4ye Naruhodo. I see Luna interacting with ID more because of Minecraft, especially with Kaela and Ollie and Moona on rare occasions.
She's having a hard time being a tsundere here, but she's a natural tsundere when it comes to Subaru, lol
so trueee xP
Anya : "there's a few type of tsundere"
Luna (local japanese) : "eeeeeeeh really???"
Sasuga expert otaku,eh.. i mean weebs
At least in TV Tropes there are two types: harsh outside but sweet inside, and sweet outside but later on becomes (affectionately) harsh into the relationship.
@@Myticalcattnip She learned to become so good at Japanese that she gets called HoloJP by the JP members... all because she wanted to read the source material in original language... because there was a lack of translations back in the day, and she couldn't get her hands on the good stuff.
A pathetic tsundere is a tsundere who isn't good at being properly tsun or dere.
Tsun is the act of pushing back: "it's not like I did this for you!" or "go away you pervert", while dere is the act of acting lovingly: "here, my bento, I don't want you to be hungry" or "a... at least you're only looking at me".
A pathetic tsundere will not be able to do either of those things properly, neither being tsun nor dere, and just appearing like a weird girl. Which is kinda what Luna did there.
I'm learning 📝
Pathetic tsundere is just shy 😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for the lesson sensei
Write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!
Master oogway is that you
I just love Anya roasted Luna while at the same time complimenting her. Anya is still savage when speaking Japanese xD
Doubled edged Keris 😂
Anya word can cut through your heart like blade she is
From the context, I'm guessing Anya isn't calling Luna's tsundere act pathetic, but is calling her portrayal a type of "pathetic tsundere." Not so much insulting as narrowing down the type.
yes, hence the "there are a lot of tsundere type" follows up by anya 😅
@@ahdandimas6577 I'm more commenting on how I think the title isn't really accurate.
@@Theonetruefinalboss i'm sorry, i just try to agreeing with you
@@ahdandimas6577 Gotcha. It came across as sarcasm. Understood.
anya seeing that luna worrying if she's not up to par with being a real tsundere and told her that she at least still landed on being a certain type of tsundere
Anya "roast" mode is always on
This is what happens when weapons can talk. They are sharp.
Another falls to Anya's sharpness and bluntless. Two opposite traits owned by a single sword.
Also, who could refuse our favourite hime?
Pommel strikes are where the bluntness comes in.
@@TerralventheAnya ended her rightly.
Anya really sharp as always
I thought Anya tried to console Luna by saying "There are many type of tsundere"
Reading the comments giving me insight that there ARE various type of tsundere and there IS 'pathetic tsundere'.
Are we sure Anya is really Holo ID here?
She cuts right to point. 😮
About as covert JP as Bae is at this point 😅
i never knew it was a thing lol
Anya is HoloAll. Is fluent in JP, EN, and ID
she is JP branch of HoloID lets goooooo
anya "the ancient dagger" melfissa, her tongue is as sharp as ever 😅
Anya sharp as always I see 😆
Ah yes. Hololive's very own dagger. Never a dull moment with her by your side. Lol ❤
Yes, every moment and word from her is sharp.
As expected of Anya. She's a Keris for a reason haha
1:38 lmaooo that Luna laugh almost escaped the character for a second haha
The typical tsundere don't provoke the instinct to protect the tsundere but Luna's "nasakenai tsundere" does exactly that. Pathetic is one way to translate it... it's more like pitiful rather than pathetic IMO.
Nevertheless, it's an official trope of the tsundere variant.
Yeah more like Pitiable Tsundere...
Anya : there is many type of tsundere
Luna : there are ??
😅😅😅😅😅 anya more fluent in various aspect
Anya is damn right, there's so many different types of tsunderes, and they are all react differently to situations. You could legit make a whole manga about a harem of the various tsundere archetypes...
Ah... now i see why Anya has a skill in Holocure that ''pierces''
When Anya say pathetic Tsundere,i immediately think Michiru from grisaia,one of the best blonde twintail tsuntsun character
someone finally mention Michiru.... i'm happy now
adios
Michiru my beloved
Subaru just casually flexing the damage 5 years in Hololive did to her psyche. 😂
Anya Sharpness has Bleeding Effect~
That's our ancient weapon, sharp as always
Ah yesss anya,, the sassy mouth its still sharp as her blade
Damnnnn Anya really roasted the heck out of Luna.
I guess a "pathetic tsundere" example would be like Michiru Matsushima from Fruit of Grisaia. But girls are bound to look "pathetic" either way when Yūji Kazami is the MC.
Michiru .. Michiru (try to remember)
Ahh .. the burried alive one
I freaking love Anya and Luna lol
Anya knowing about japanese tropes more than Luna ...
Sasuga Anya the HoloJP member ...
Luna is less tsun more dere
There are lots funny fanservice moments in Ollie's stands, Okayu group and Towa group were among my favourites as well
Sharp Anya in her natural habitat
Last night was really fun, showing a lot of sides that are rarely shown by other members,,
I can't believe this day finally come. Where i get to see Luna, of all people in holojp. Interacting with Ollie, holoid😢. In 2023 most of my vtuber -related dreams were granted.
She is mythical dagger, and dagger is sharp 🤣🤣🤣
I kinda get what Anya meant. I was expecting the condescending tsundere act😅
The Anya roast cuts deep
I am guessing Anya meant something like the Tsundere that doesn’t really have the love of their love interest but god damn it…was it funny
anya wake up and choose violence
When has she ever woke up and chose peace is the question
@@anasazhari4498 violence has always been the question and the answer is YES haha
that is the power of the sassy girl
Anya's tongue is as sharp as herself
I love when Luna's real voice slip out from time to time
Anya really pulled a "You're cute in a pathetic sort of way"
Luna being called a pathetic tsundere is going to live rent free in her head for a while
Anya never meant to harm, yet another fall to her victim~
as expected the sharpest weapon in hololive~
Thank you for the clip!
I think part of it was Ollie not hearing/understanding "iru" correctly. She either thought Luna said "inu" or she didn't understand the use of "iru" for "need." Regardless, seeing Luna get called nasakenai tsundere was hilarious.
A bit reluctant but shows intention to give it anyway and the receiver isn't confused by the act, unlike a real tsundere who gives mixed signals causing it to be all over the place, total confusion.
unaaaaaaaaaa
Don't let looks fool you, Anya looks cute, but she's sharp.
I miss sharp tongue anya. We use to have it on her early debut. But after she notice alot of M people flocking her stream looking to get scold, she turn it down by alot.
Friendly fire is on
When ancient weapon roast baby princess
*Emotional Damage*
As expected of a Keris, she stabbed well
Nice clip and translations
Luna is so cute🍬
Its still sharp!
Ollie was more Tsundere, than Luna..
Anya as sharp as ever ^^
Subaru speen
The kris is always sharp.
LMAO damn
Luna should do it to anya cause. Anya understand the game very well and her japanese is better so there is no misscom
Surely a terrible Tsundere Act
but a Golden Kuudere act 😔👌
Poor Luna rarely collabs with ID (EN also) and got called pathetic, luckily it was also cute but Anya almost started a civil war there
and they said Anya from Indonesia... jeeez..
cute luna the pathetic tsundere!
"Here's lunch. I made too much. It's not like I made it for you or anything. Baka!", As someone who has grown to hate the archetype, I just know that's what a tsundere would say in that situation. XD
Anya not playing when it comes to her interest on gap moe especially tsundere
luna giving me some oreimo vibes hahahah
Well, Her mama is the Illustrator of oreimo and Ero-manga sensei 😅😅😅
I mean..........................
Her mama is Kanzaki Hiro............
So...........
@@ruizu02 yes i am very well aware thats y i make this reference
@@yzkykr yes i am very well aware thats y i make this reference
She's a Blade (Keris) after all
Tsundere bebi 😘👶💗💓💗
How can someone so sharp be so blunt? lmao
Well, she's not wrong.
The "I started cooking recently, and made too much food, so here have it so it doesn't go to waste" routine is pretty basic as far as Tsundere excuses go.
Luna has already decided on VC with Ollie and Anya, but why is there still Anya's voice apologizing at the end?
i think it is because of japanese mannerism.
Cunny on cunny violence 😔😔😔😭
Its just mind-blowing that gaijin schooling multiple native jp about tsundere.
Also Anya is known for her sharp words, but she's not doing it here. Its pathetic-kind of tsundere and not luna tsundere act is pathetic
Twice? When was the first time? LMAO
whoaaa. It was this bright???? I was watching on Choco's stream and the game wasn't this bright lol
Yes if they turn on their shader.
@@akina5253 IseeIsee
Anya is JP
lmao anya sure has vast knowledge in tsundere department, she's right about pathetic type
Isnt that usual luna though.. i dont see any act here..
fucking cute 😞