War of Attrition vs. War of Maneuver as Ukraine is about to Collapse | Ray McGovern
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Ray came to Washington from his native Bronx in the early Sixties as an Army infantry/intelligence officer and then served as a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the administration of John F. Kennedy to that of George H. W. Bush. Ray’s duties included chairing National Intelligence Estimates and preparing the President’s Daily Brief, which he briefed one-on-one to President Ronald Reagan’s five most senior national security advisers from 1981 to 1985.
raymcgovern.com
It’s not denial, it’s deliberate propaganda to keep this immoral war going.
Always look forward to Ray’s analysis- he’s a treasure!
Nato should "strategically" mind their own business and leave Ukraine alone.
Ucrania is a proxy of nato to provoke Russie.Big mistake that finally makes Russie stronger..The problem is that huge amount of European hates Usa after all of this unfortunatelly..Europe also has big responsibility..proxy of a proxy etc
True. Its not democratically elected. Its crazy what they do. They will go down in history as an evil and degenerate fake power
Gayto needs more diversity, way too many LGTBQs in their ranks imo
The west is desperate to spread its Western Values at any cost. Regardless of how resistant the rest of the world is against the degenerates.
You forgot the + dude. 😂😂😂
We are running out of Ukrainians.
That's why "we" tried to open a second frontline in Georgia. The Georgian government resisted successfully, fortunately. Twenty thousand "Non Government" Organizations in Georgia, a country of 3 Million inhabitants, guess who is puppeteering these "Non Government" Organizations.
Tragic and funny at the same time.
Obviously. No ammo: no weapons and no combatants
They are running out of everything.
Great!
Thank you, Ray McGovern and Nima, for a deliberate, clear, concise analysis and your steadfast truth spreading.
Ray is a brilliant and highly intelligent guest from my era and neighborhood who simply lays it out for all of us. Love you both for all you have presented to us thus far, and continue to offer.
I call Ray "Encyclopedia" McGovern, meant complimentary.
He's mumbling.
Not intelligent enough to realise that working for the CIA means being an enemy to his own citizens
I very much share your assessment of Mr. McGovern and the situation. Us young whippersnappers owe a debt of gratitute towards folks of your generation.
@@frequenco5545 you have a sense of gratitude towards someone who worked for the CIA? No wonder your country is screwed
What does the United States have to do with Odessa? Why should the Russians negotiate Odessa with the Americans? This city was founded by Russians. Even the name of the city “Odessa” was invented by the Russians...
I agree. My wife is Russian and I live in Krasnagorsk, Moscow.
Everyone I know regards this as a Russian city just as they see Crim(Crimea) Russian
Because they have pumped in a Trillion dollars over the last 2 decades and they want their money and start a new Cold War. It’s big money in the war machine to pay political parties and keep them online with their narrative instead of serving the people that voted for them.
Money. They want the old Cold War back because it’s big business
Well they didnt invent it... its a Greek name they gave it, in respect to the large Greek community that lived there at the time.
Odessa was founded by Catherine the Great 🇷🇺🇷🇺
West is a dying actor performing its last twisted act before going down..
I hope you’re correct!
"To play around there's really no more room
America's gonna go back to war soon
She's settin herself up for a hard noon
And the lust for wealth got us inclined to suffer
No chance for those with a mind to trust ya
God has ordained that it's time to crush ya
Soon to be fighting with Iran China and Russia
Now your greed is spiked out
Now it's lights out
90 percent of ya armed forced wiped out
Greedy intentions to deny the right route
From evil men who occupy the White House
The government controlled, the citizens dispersed, voluntarily accepting the 666 curse
So many disasters, which will hit first?
The weather will increase, the storms will get worse
Satan is terminated but he's trynna work late
Creating chemistry to deflate our birth rate
But they'll meet the fate of nations that were great
Whole cities destroyed by major earthquakes
The world will soon hear the sounds of war
The boots every army will pound the floor
Not many in America found the door
Europe won't even be around no more
Now the pain cuts like a long razor
Home invaders, drones and lasers
Whether you got short or long paper, gold or bitcoins, it won't save ya"
-- K-RINO 2017, based on Elijah Mohammed's prophecy
"To play around there's really no more room
America's gonna go back to war soon
She's settin herself up for a hard noon
And the lust for wealth got us inclined to suffer
No chance for those with a mind to trust ya
God has ordained that it's time to crush ya
Soon to be fighting with Iran China and Russia
Now your greed is spiked out
Now it's lights out
90 percent of ya armed forced wiped out
Greedy intentions to deny the right route
From evil men who occupy the White House
The government controlled, the citizens dispersed, voluntarily accepting the 666 curse
So many disasters, which will hit first?
The weather will increase, the storms will get worse
Satan is terminated but he's trynna work late
Creating chemistry to deflate our birth rate
But they'll meet the fate of nations that were great
Whole cities destroyed by major earthquakes
The world will soon hear the sounds of war
The boots every army will pound the floor
Not many in America found the door
Europe won't even be around no more
Now the pain cuts like a long razor
Home invaders, drones and lasers
Whether you got short or long paper, gold or bitcoins, it won't save ya"
-- K-RINO 2017, based on Elijah Mohammed's prophecy
"To play around there's really no more room
America's gonna go back to war soon
She's settin herself up for a hard noon
And the lust for wealth got us inclined to suffer
No chance for those with a mind to trust ya
God has ordained that it's time to crush ya
Soon to be fighting with Iran China and Russia
Now your greed is spiked out
Now it's lights out
90 percent of ya armed forced wiped out
Greedy intentions to deny the right route
From evil men who occupy the White House
The government controlled, the citizens dispersed, voluntarily accepting the 666 curse
So many disasters, which will hit first?
The weather will increase, the storms will get worse
Satan is terminated but he's trynna work late
Creating chemistry to deflate our birth rate
But they'll meet the fate of nations that were great
Whole cities destroyed by major earthquakes
The world will soon hear the sounds of war
The boots every army will pound the floor
Not many in America found the door
Europe won't even be around no more
Now the pain cuts like a long razor
Home invaders, drones and lasers
Whether you got short or long paper, gold or bitcoins, it won't save ya"
-- K-RINO 2017, based on Elijah Mohammed's prophecy
Thing is, a bunch of said actor s' company, seems intent on taking the entire planet with them.
No, Odesa is Russian, it's over.
Imagine how I felt when I realized the worlds greatest antagonist is UNITED STATES !!!!!!🤮
Now I am down the rabbit hole, and we have been this way FROM THE BEGINNING 🤬
You can’t un see it once you do.
Well all things must pass, including this crisis,of the empire in its death throes.
You are not alone, which is good. People are waking up.
When the USA eventually joined WWII their intention and negotiation with the UK was to take over the Empire and control ME oil. It wasn't to help us defeat the Nazis.
When the Jewish movement asked the USA to take in the Jewish refugees from the Holocaust, President Truman refused saying "I have no use for jews" and they supported the zionists and anti British Allies in occupying Palestine to form Israel.
The USA is no ally.
me too. may i offer advice? start with the biggest lie of all---"We the People..."
It is surprising YT even allows this report to air.
The Big Boys are 'all in'.
I heard the 1st Abram already 'penetrated' Moscow, though without its crew LOL
3rd Abrams knocked out in 3 days and counting...
M1 crews survive to get another mbt. Unlike a Russian tank crew
@@grahamjackson6589 Cope harder bro )))
@@grahamjackson6589 hahaha 😂
@@grahamjackson6589 Dear fairy tale lover, where will that supposedly surviving crew get that “another mbt”? Which country will they be begging from this time? :)
Ray McGovern and Ron Paul.
I admire both of these gentlemen.
If only people like these men make the decisions...Kumbaya
Greetings from Australia
Russia is the only country that honestly and sincerely cares about Ukraine ❤❤
Great job!
The borders of Ukraine were drawn by the Soviet Union. The area lumped various ethnic groups, including a large amount of Russians and Ukrainians together to water-down the factional strength of any one group. The 1990 collapse of the Soviet Union was an accident of good fortune for Ukraine. Ukraine did not fight for its independence. It was a not too carefully, hasty agreement by Russia and Ukraine. As early as 1997, NATO/US viewed this as an irresistible, geo-political opportunity. Had they acted then, they might have enjoyed more success.
Not so 25 years later.
NATO/US must have known that Russia knew every facility, every road and every strategic asset in Ukraine. They also had plenty of agents, perhaps within the government. Ukraine has been used by the West.
When you take into account the nightmare that the Russians suffered at the hands of the Germans, (1941-45), Putin did the right thing. If he hadn't he would have been removed.
Many Ukraine and Russian people had served in the soviet military ,so as you say basically they are very in integrated with each other in over lapping regions.
@@goforitrazz agree
As usual, Boris Yeltsin is to blame.
No way, a possible future Ukraine will have Odessa, nor any other entrance to the Black Sea. It would mean a NATO, especially UK base, specialized on maritime terror attacks along the coast line.
jesus you people have seriously been conditioned so much that you literally think nato is going to launch direct attacks on russia? lmao
@@MattMajcan How long are you living under your rock?
Deliberately ignorant or just the usual lying from an exceptional?
Actually Putin does nothing the West claims! There's a whole Russian military acting and a whole Russian nation acting too!
Putin better do something, the Russian nation voted him in for work not for sitting around. He seems to do a good job, else they would have voted someone else.
@@flintb6559 That's nonsense. People don't vote for politicians because they did a good job, otherwise politicians would NEVER "serve" more than ONE term.
we pretend nations are sock puppets stuffed with millions but looking like Satan.
@@flintb6559 Putin certainly does not do anything Westerners claim he does. He has never thrown bombs himself or shot Ukrainian idiots like they claim.
Putin’s job isn’t to run the military or the factories. Putin’s job as head of state is to build relationships with other countries such as China, Saudi Arabia, Iran and so on. Putin is focusing on this side of Russia’s influence, which is what he should be focused on because it’s the most important for long term development and gain in Russia. It’s also the area where the US and the west are the weakest right now and has the most ability to hurt them.
Putin is doing exactly what he should be doing.
Ray Mcgovern is a living legend you bring such amazing insights into the whole situation thank you Nima for your great program. Sadly the West and the United States and Europe and Nato do not know reverse gear just war never peace talks or diplomacy
There are a lot of misconceptions about this war. 1st of all Ukraine never actually accomplished a maneuver operation, the October counteroffensive was a strategic Russian withdrawal, and in their retreat the Ukrainians got half of their army destroyed by blindly attacking the Russians and getting blown up. Therefore it was in a sense a tactical victory for Ukraine but a strategic victory for Russia.
2nd Russia adopted an attrition strategy due to the fact that they didn't have enough forces for a war of maneuver, and it has proved more successful. 3rd, the Summer counteroffensive of Ukraine was such a disaster, and it mainly failed because of the lack of one basic component of maneuver warfare, Air Power. So everything that NATO told the Ukrainians was total BS. The Ukrainians were never capable for successful maneuver warfare, and this ignorance from the West has allowed the war to go decisively in Russia's favor.
😭😭😭😭😭
It’s amazing how hard reality hits after smoke clears and all those mirrors are exposed. That’s what you get when you are educated by Hollywood stile of Smoke & Mirrors fantasies. Z.
Best opening/musical intro on the internet. Corto y derecho.
They can always occupy Odessa and Kharkov and more and then negotiate. They may end up with lots of territory following a Ukrainian collapse.
yes, they say Lvov is lovely in August.
"Insurgency, Vietnam"
Umm, the mercenary Junta is the "insurgency". The NVA had China and USSR support. The huge difference - the Vietnamese are not Americans while Ukraine is just an artificial partition of Russia.
Those Who Believe.Drive Those Who Do Not.Into the Sea.Always.
mcgovern, you should look again at the maps, the pre-2014 electoral maps: only lvov-IF region would mount an insurgency
The political implications for Western leaders, as perceived by their citizens, when pursuing a peace deal at this time, can be significant. Acknowledging Mr. Ray McGovern's insightful analysis and Mr. Nima R. Alkhorshid's excellent hosting, it is clear that such decisions are complex and multifaceted.
Ukraine's entry in Eurovision:" Run, run, baby run..."before the Yanks do another runner...à la Taliban...
thanxs nima for the great report you rock
Ukraine must stop being Nato's porns, otherwise Russia has done a check mate
even checkmates do not last forever.
Odessa was the city from which the remaining Romanov royal family in 1918 escaped the communists onto waiting British warships . The citizens of Odessa sang the Russian national anthem and wept as they saw their royal family leave Russia for the last time.
Ahhh, my favorite source of information.
Thank you to our host and guest of stature Ray McGovern for this important segment. What shifted? Messaging?
Very interesting info. Thank you both
Odessa was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1794 🇷🇺🇷🇺
Paulus announced that Stalingrad had fallen !!!!!!
I think Hitler said the Bolshevik colossus has been struck down, never to rise again. Not sure if that was in the early stages of Stalingrad or earlier during Barbarossa.
🇳🇱 Holland . 🌻 🌻 🌻 🙂 👍
Dear Ray,
In your extensive career as
a c.i.a. analyist were you able to
analys is who and what you were
working for? Your employers...
How can anyone seriously believe that Americans will vote based on the outcome of the Ukraine ware?
exactly. 60% cannot even name their state capital. there will be no change until the Big Mac index hits $20, next Friday or so.
The situation in Georgia frankly makes no sense at all. I can't think of any reason, rational or emotional to prevent NGOs from being accountable.
The ground is drying out and will be ready for large scale mechanized movements with 4 or 5 weeks. Then the campaigning season begins.
If your military cannot knock out the enemy military quickly......as per blitzkrieg or some other strategic choke (like a blockade of your enemies ability to receive strategically vital materials) then your going to get bogged down into a war of attrition. Then its a numbers game of who has more reserves, more war material capacity and more manpower.
Russia has failed to respond to myriad escalations and infractions of Russian border integrity. Red lines have been not just ignored, but trampled over and danced on. The west has made mock of Russia's supposed nuclear deterrent, and must understandably feel confident that they have the upper hand to do just whatever they wish to in the ucraine and Russia.
Compare and contrast. Still Russia has failed to respond in any meaningful way to the destruction of the nordstream pipeline. Well, not quite perhaps, since it has kindly taken to giving India more oil for it to sell on into the global market, to make up for any direct supply of it's energy assets to the west. The USA, has clearly and unambiguously threatened to invade a european country, should the ICJ launch a prosecution of netanyahu, and I believe they would do just that. After all, president bush the younger passed into law a bill authorising such an action.
Had mr Putin been more confident and aggressive, this war would have been over a long time ago, and fewer Russian service personnel, not to mention citizens of the donbass, would have died
The title of your podcast that is really fact, what is going on in Ukraine. America, Nato and western alliance has no major plan in Ukraine to confront Russia. Their plan in Ukraine is war of attrition, just to wear Russian out, but economically and manpower.
With Israel, the US is warring with two fronts. Doubt the US can keep going like this without bankrupting itself
Ukraine is following Sun Tzu's advise on he who defends everything defends nothing.
If true that Obama and blinken believe russia will match any western help....why biden doesnt? Is he that corrupt to other nefarious interests 😂😂😂
Historically it was never in their faith they don't have the Juice
Lewinsky and Putin need to talk, leaving out NATO, US and European govts.
These govts are willing to let Ukrainians due to get at Russia. Talk and peace to save lives and fk the warmongers
I'm sorry, did you mean Zelensky! I don't think Monica Lewinsky talking with Putin would help. Peace and all best wishes
@@pontiuspilot5887
Yes I meant Zelenskyy. There was a lot going on yesterday and I obviously wasn’t concentrating. Thanks very much for putting me straight. What a mistake tho 😀
I guess we’re all entitled to a mistake or two 🙏
@@Ritaallison-c9w To err is human, To really foul up you need an Computer! ;) Take care and have a wonderful summer!
Nato is doomed.
I am curious what the nationality of Nima Alkhorshid is. Clearly he is not a native English speaker, based on the accent, name and face I would guess Turkish.
close. but no cigar. what are you up to?
@@egay86292 Nothing, just curious. I have this itch of guessing where a person comes from when I see a foreign name, hear a foreign language which I don't know or see certain characteristics in the face. Seeing how close I get.
He is Iranian, but from Brasil! 👍
@peterjansen4826 Las Vegas bet: Nima is Iranian. If Nima is reading this he should tell us who wins the bet. Maybe no one of us and we are both wrong..
we are confused about politic paths in superpower west democatric nations, the regimes policies contradic against their people will.
Are they now become facist regimes like ww2 era ?
Hey Ray - your recommended "Douglass' JFK Unspeakable" (which thanks to you, I have now read), is missing on the shelf under your left ear, maybe you could replace it with Barbara Tuchman's 'March of Folly" to remind viewers of the Follies yet to be documented since Vietnam?..❤
I discovered Barbara Tuchman "The bible and the sword" and "The Zimmermann telegram" 62 years ago in my first Uni Engineering year at Victoria Wellington - She remains my favourite Author..❤
excellent taste. my compliments.
Azov at J6 , at summer of love marches ...remember the umbrella men ?
❤
From an essay by georgesoros from November 1993:
"Toward a New World Order: The Future of NATO"
An interesting section is the ninth paragraph from the buttom:
"Incidentally, the combination of *manpower from Eastern Europe* with the technical capabilities of NATO would greatly enhance the military potential of the Partnership because it *would reduce the risk of body bags for NATO countries,* which is the main constraint on their willingness to act."
Filtering out the essence:
" … Eastern European manpower … would reduce the risk of body bags for NATO countries … "
Russia is the greatest nation on the planet ❤❤
👍
davidpacella1022 nailed it!
Who do you ACTUALLY work for.
Any mention of the Rothchildes or Central Banking?
👍👍👍🇦🇺
Ukraine will continue to fight with or without US help. NATO without the US will continue to fight.
Her is a nuclear reminder to Russia if she ever attack the West with nuclear weapons. Israel and the United States did not unveil their most advanced anti missile system when Iran attacked Israel .England, France and Germany have advanced anti missile systems. Germany being the most advanced. Russia should think twice about having all their missiles shot down while having to absorb nuclear retaliation from the US, UK, France and possibly Germany and Poland.
In todays warfare, having more shells is no guarantee of victory. Russia fires thousands of shells at Ukrainian targets while Ukraine is taking out Russian targets with one or two missiles. What is the sense of having thousands of shells in an ammo depot only to have one ATACMs take the ammo depot out. Russia is expending men and ammunition at WWII levels while Ukraine is fighting a 21st Century war. Russia lost 90% of wars. WWII was only a victory because England and the US gave Russia massive help. Russia lost to Japan in 1904, lost to Poland in 1920, lost the first invasion of Finland, The second invasion of Finland ended in negotiations. lost in Afghanistan, lost the first Chechen war, The Chechen war ended when Kadyrov was paid to eliminate other Chechen units. Russia's only clear cut win was against tiny Georgia.
Kiev in threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee days 😂😂😂
No Russian ever said that, you only expose your own ignorance of the conflict when you spout such nonsense, but you do give the rest of us someone to point and laugh at.
@@unavailableusername9694 Kiev in threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee days 😂😂😂
Are you mocking General Milley, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said that stupid thing? Totally agree with you -- that Milley is a rare fool :)
@@midnike8783 , Actually, Gen Milley said "Russians will come to Kiev in three days if the _full-scale_ Russian invasion of Ukraine takes place", that means the _conventional_ war of full usage of all means of weapons and carpet bombardment of all significant civilian and infrastructure objects. Russia declared SMO, not a war...
@@joelturley4847cope and seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeethe😂😂😂
Ray should look a a map. forget Odessa. even to surround Kharkov in the north by US November elections Russia would have to multiply its 2 year average advance by 30 to 35 times. time flies, hey Vlad?
We shall See.Tovarishch.
Ever heard of "critical mass"?
I don't think you know so much Ray, stick to what you do know instead of offering your opinions on matters you don't.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
How original 😂
Joe and Hunter agree.
@@mikewood4242 KIEV IN THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DAYS 😂😂😂
Yella bellies
@joelturley4847 That was used two years ago. Find something newer and updated,.
A very serious message supplied with some humour 😂 👍
Do we really need to see the left side of the screen? 😂😂😂😂 why not just leave the full picture of speaker?
It does seem unnecessary during some of the twenty minute monologue answers.
I like looking at Dima!
Helps stop those clip sites?
stop. Nima is best interviewer on net.
👍