The COMPLICATED Production of KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON
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Director Legend Martin Scorsese has made countless classic films throughout his decades-long career, and Killers of the Flower Moon presents us with another fascinating production of his to take a look at from his meticulous filmmaking, deep understanding of his characters, and challenges he’s never faced in his more than 50 years of filmmaking. Let’s dive into the 165-day production of Killers of the Flower Moon!
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0:00 The 165-Day Production of Killers of the Flower Moon
0:43 DEVELOPMENT (2016-2019)
1:45 PRE-PRODUCTION (2019-2021)
2:15 Covid forces Scorsese into a hard choice
3:24 WRITING PROCESS and EVOLVING NARRATIVE
5:15 Inspired by Midsommar and Beau is Afraid - Ari Aster
5:34 Tackling the IRISHMAN first
5:57 The complications of PRODUCTIONS and RESEARCH
7:10 PRODUCTION BEGINS (April 19, 2021)
8:00 The importance of working with the OSAGE
9:47 The cinematography PERSPECTIVE - Rodrigo Prieto
10:05 How CULTURE influenced cinematography
11:20 Lighting Techniques and Contrast
11:34 Experimental cinematography
12:36 The life of an EXTRA
13:34 Scorsese at RISK
14:20 Rodrigo Prieto's cinematography techniques during COVID
14:56 FILM or DIGITAL cameras?
16:17 POST-PRODUCTION (2022-2023)
16:48 The 3.5 HOUR controversy
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What's your gameplan for watching this 3.5 hour movie in theaters? Bathroom break or no bathroom break? 👀
Bathroom before, with no break. I'm not sitting down to watch this a second time.
People wonder why no one wants to go to the movies anymore. Here you go. Maybe if the theater would offer screenings with an intermission i could spend $12 or $15 on a ticket, but im not paying that much to put myself through hours long piss holding torture. im not dehydrating before. im not going to be physically uncomfortable so I dont miss anything. i have a pause button at home.
I pee four times during hour and half movies so 9 times
@@bluecollarmenproductions see a doctor my dude
No bathroom breaks.
normally i would say no to such a long film... but lets be honest: in a time of general diminishing quality in films... i can't get enough of Scorsese. make it 5 hours, i dont care... good video, btw.. well done! thx
Agreed! And appreciate it!
@@FrameVoyager you should do one on that Tony Kaye film, that never came out... Black Water Transit... with Larry Fishburne and Karl Urban. sounds interesting enough... unfortunately that film never saw the light of day...
Watched it felt very slow start sure make it long but idk almost feel asleep the first 50 minutes
I learned about these murders through my very close friends who are now Elders of the Osage Nation; one was my roommate in college. I had the privilege of being invited to the Osage dances this year at Grayhorse as I attended in 1979. Incredible friendships with my friends from Fairfax endure until this day, 48 years later. What you don’t see is how the Osage are highly educated and influence those around them with the joy of life. My roommate became a commercial pilot and later a cattleman in Fairfax. My other friends are engineers and other professional trades. They influence the arts by attending schools in NY and Kansas City. Maria Tallchief is the United States first Prima Ballerina. There is so much more that you could learn about this amazing group of people in Fairfax.
165 days isn’t that bad for a feature film. That’s 5 1/2 months. Some films shoot shorter schedules but a lot of big films shoot for longer than that.
Oh, for sure! People just like titles with numbers in them 😂
@@FrameVoyager lol makes total sense! I just wasn’t sure if people thought that was a long shoot. Solid title! 😂♥️
I saw it in a packed IMAX hall in India...and there was a standing ovation at the end. It's a solid piece of art!!
Thanks for using a clip from my RUclips channel explaining my time on the set as an extra! I had so much more to talk about, but I recorded that before the movie released and I wanted to be careful about what I said. I will do a Part 2 soon. Thanks again!
No problem! Appreciate you putting it out there. Always cool to find some insights like that to help shape the larger narrative! Looking forward to the next video
Excellent video, always admire the amount of passion that Scorsese took with this movie. And i'm happy that Paramount Pictures and Apple TV are supporting him in giving the expensive budget that he needs, it's a lot of money but hey it's definitely a movie that we truly need 🤗
Appreciate it! And same, it seems like Apple is giving out a lot of money to movies nowadays
Very good content! I just saw the movie (in Italy it came out 1 day prior) and I’m still speechless…
Masterpiece.
Appreciate it!
Speechless! Slavery, Colonialism, Colonization & Genocide are all evil things done by evildoers. For more, pls read the informative multi-pages comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism/Chronicle"... It's on RUclips.😔
Im ALLL for longer movies. 90 minutes is a TV episode these days. And hes right - people can binge watch shit all day. 10 hours straight. Ive done it. everyone i know has done it. 3.5 hours aint shit. Thats a "smoke a blunt, cook dinner, sit down and dont move" type of movie - it just better be good and not boring
SAME! From what it sounds like it's going to be an amazing film
Watched the movie last night, SO GOOD
@@carlossantos-il5sz Same! Was a little distracted by the Swifties next door though haha.
Excellent video as always. Glad to see it wasn't cut down to an arbitrary running time too - the story takes as long as it takes.
Appreciate it! And same! Totally fine that this is 3.5 hours long
The longer the shoot, the proof the filmmaker gives a damn about what they're making.
Unless it's a start wars reshoot lmao
@FrameVoyager sometimes I eat spaghetti, sometimes I don't. What's your point?
Babe! Get up! We’re going on another voyage today!
I think the movie is a masterpiece and is easily my favorite of the year so far, but you feel every second of that 3.5 hours. I do not think it is too long, it is exactly the right length for me, but his intentional filming/editing style really forces the audience to sit quietly during large lengths of the film. I could literally feel the boredom in my theater set in. I was hearing yawns and sighs and people fidgeting. The marketing for this movie very much sells it as a fast paced hard edged crime drama, and that it is not. Again, it is a masterpiece, but I had quite a few people I had to report to after to let them know. Not everyone will appreciate a film like this, especially in a theater.
13:16 I am the extra with my mask down and dark brown hair on the right hand side of this picture. I worked 11 days on the film. If you want even more extra info I can gladly help with that.
David Greyson, Actor/Filmmaker
Nice! You down to talk on a podcast? Hit me up on instagram or twitter
@@FrameVoyager yes I am! I’ll reach out on insta!
@@FrameVoyageryes absolutely. Sorry if I didn’t get back to you fast enough
@@TheWalkingDavid haha no you're good! Message me on instagram. Maybe something we can still do before the Oscars
@@FrameVoyager just did!
Can’t wait to see this film! I’ve been eager to see it since I’ve heard about the subject matter and all involved. I might not like all that Scorsese has made, but I appreciate his craftsmanship and dedication to film. It has been a very long time that a film involving Native Americans has circled the award season contention. In Hollywood, they are the most neglected groups of people from representation. I’m glad that they’ve decided to give them a voice in a film surrounding their history. Prieto is such a versatile cinematographer who’s already help bring Greta’s Barbie film to screen.
Really looking forward to this. I've seen all of Scorsese's films in a cinema since The Aviator.
Nice! In making this I realized I need to go back and watch a few more haha. I think Silence is probably my favorite Scorsese film
@@FrameVoyager Yes
Imaginary inspiring Martin Scorsese in terms of filmmaking. Ari Aster is one lucky son of a gun🤯
Right? 😂
Congrats on 70K Subs, John!
Appreciate it! Marching on to 100k!
At his rate, I give it less than 6 months. I say the channel will more than doubles next year (I see 200K in the near future)
@@CNC-Time-Lapse Appreciate that! I hope so! That would be cool to see
Im glad this story was told and that we got it in a way Scorsese could tell it
Prieto used the Alexa for low light work same as he did with Silence. It’s film for daylight stuff and some sets and digital for lower light work. It’s really obvious too in some scenes. They’re not really doing anymore to match the digital to the film footage except a LUT.
As well respected as the cinematographer (on this movie) is, I was somewhat bemused by his stating that anamorphic was chosen because of the wide landscapes - my understanding is that a great number of movies are still shot in anamorphic - irrespective of the subject matter and, in particular, whether or not the type of landscape one associates with Oklahoma is involved ? Glad to be put right (I’m a lowly enthusiast who does micro budget (save for employing my trusty Red Komodo) short movies and using spherical lenses) - if I’m out of touch with industry trends and choices by DPs of anamorphic as against spherical !
Another stellar video my guy
Appreciate it!
another well done review.
Appreciate it!
The news reel scenes were filmed with Scorsese's own hand crank Bell & Howell 2709 camera. I would have assumed they used black and white film for that, but maybe they just used the color stocks.
I got my tickets for opening night. Those god damn Swifties better not ruin my cinematic experience.
hahaha I heard they were staggering show times away from the swifties lolol
@@FrameVoyager My local theatre has them staggered 45 mins apart in the screen rights next door. With a 3 hr 27 min runtime, the bleeding screams of pre-teens would certainly kill the mood a hour in.
Those 3.5 hours flew by. This movie tells a story and wastes no time in telling it to you.
I’m amazed at the people who found KotFM “tedious”. I have lived in Tulsa off and on for most of my long life, so I’ve watched as we grapple as a collective community with the resurfacing of the buried history of abominations against the Greenwood neighborhood (AKA Black Wall Street) in the 1921 Race Massacre and now this travesty against Osages dating the same timeframe. What I’ve noticed is that some people will go to the greatest of lengths to distance themselves from the feelings that also surface, of blame, guilt, and shame. Rather than reflect honestly and courageously on the past and it’s flow into our current events, and how many of us have benefitted at the expense of others’ suffering, they will lie, cheat, steal, complain, explain…anything to dissociate from those feelings. Maybe there’s tedium in this movie that just eluded me; I’m a pretty patient and quiet person down for a 4 hour epic and I’m certainly biased having lived in the area for so long and become involved in some AIM actions and Indigenous ceremonies and celebrations, but I do see that some of the complaints are likely this sort of emotional distancing.
See it.. Another Scorsese MASTERPIECE and his best film since GOODFELLAS...
I’d argue The Departed might be his best. I loved this one too though.
This is gunna be so good 😮
Yeah! I'm excited to see it
I've heard Tarantino say in an interview before that he considers himself one of the only true directors to shoot on film, because many, and he named Scorsese as an example, shoot night scenes on digital, because they're so hard to light for film. That may answer your question about the digital camera listed on iMDB.
Ah, yes that was honestly my second guess. The B&W thing threw me off 😂
So no love for Nolan from Tarantino huh? 😂
@@FrameVoyagerhe’s mentioned Nolan in an interview about how he shoots on film
@@FrameVoyager I loved the grainy B&W. I just hated the direction and editing. There was no subjective vs objective Pov like nolan said , it was a mess.
I gotta say, Leo + DeNiro brilliant in this film. Tho it's a bit of a shame that Jesse Plemons didn't get more screen time or development. It was a really interesting way to come at this story from that perspective. A bit jarring even, cause were so used to seeing Leo as the good guy, yet here he is basically the villians lacky.
Well now I Have to watch this.
Been a lot of HYPE around Leo's performance
Crafting a MasterPiece takes quality time
Absolutely! Actually have another Scorsese vid coming out this week on the film that took him 27 YEARS to make.
@@FrameVoyager Looking forward to watching it!!! Learn and Repeat
was an extra in the movie.... the main things I remember were the heat and the masks. Otherwise was an amazing experience
When was the last time you watch a movie as good as INCEPTION,SE7EN,FIGHT CLUB,LA CONFIDENTIAL, PSYCHO,HEAT,
MATRIX,SINCE THE BIRTH OF NETFLIX,
APPLE TV, AMAZON PRIME,DISNEY,
ALL THE MOVIES AVERAGE
Oppenheimer, Dune, Everything Everywhere all at once, the whale, etc. Recency bias is real when it comes to movies. Just as many duds in the past around all of the classics
Considering Scorceses last film was done for Netflix the whole Apple+ Gotcha feels a bit forced...
Good epilogue. Yes, this is a white-man’s story told with reverence. They tried their best to depict the white history carefully overlayed with the Osage travesty. In this civil war the indigenous people lost.
Hey buddy!
Nice Segway into The Creator! The ending of that movie needed at least 30 more minutes!
I can't live without bathroom now....
The movie was pretty slow, I didn't find it boring, but I think a lot of people will. The ending was a bit goofy, but I get it. I think it would've been much better as a miniseries. It was good, but it's not as eventful as the trailer made it seem.
Did the real guy have that mug?
Kinda extreme
We can’t wait on the de-aging because “it” will get worse if we wait.
The “it” being Robert DeNiro’s face? LOL
We didn't need Leo playing a FBI agent working for J Edgar Hoover especially when he already literally played J Edgar himself a few years back...Leo was smart finessing Marty into letting him play a dimwit character especially considering Leo is the greatest actor of this generation & he already played super intelligent characters so many times , its a breath of fresh air to see a veteran actor play that type of role rather than the normal dimwit character that actors do to get Known in Hollywood....which Leo also did in thre past already in order to build his early career back in the day like the character he played in Gilbert Grape!!!! Its extremely rare to see such a seasoned masterclass actor to take on a role like that especially when he doesn't even have to
❤😂❤ Tom White was a mason
how is this video so well researched and well done but bro still couldnt pronounce 'cannes' correctly lmao
👀 bad habits 😂
A 3.5h movie about the murder of Indians from the point of view of a white guy directed by a white guy. I’m sorry but this ain’t it chive. How did this cost $200M? This is not a $200M dollar script. Even accounting for building all the sets and casting Leo and De Niro this is at most a $100M movie. Even if you factor in Covid $200M is completely bananas for this script.
I saw it in theaters. Didn't have to leave my seat. However, there were older people who got up at least three times, one man getting up a few times to take business calls and another woman who was reading the subtitles out loud to her grandson who was staring at snap chat. Attention spans are dead. Old people shouldn't be allowed in theaters and businessmen should stick to business. There were about 12 people in the theater. It was a shame. Great film. They did the book and culture justice.
I’m an old person and sat through the whole film and loved it
Such a nuanced take on entire generations of movie-goers. Bravo!
~61 year old mother of two who managed to stay seated just fine
Sorry 😔😐😔😐 I didn't mean to hurt or make people wait or waste people's time .....I have my reasons for everything I did.....
He still made a movie mostly about the white guys 😂
I mean... Pretty much 😅 I agree with the Osage comments about needing one of their own to truly tell their story
Movie was great, but the cinematography wasn’t that great. Wish it was better!
script made no sense, my rear went to sleep : way tooooo loong.
I didnt know what the movie was even about the trailer is pretty bad
Yeah they did not market the film very well
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The movie for me was rather disappointing.
In what way? I kind of figured after seeing it myself people would have a lot of varying opinions on the film
@@FrameVoyager I just never got into the movie, i somewhat found the story to be interesting. But not compared to some of his other movies. Also i couldnt stop looking at Leo's upside down smile, I swear he had two facial expressions: his frown and him looking worried. Guess i just had too high expectations?
"Everyone was vaccinated." 🤣🤣🤣
00:49 - Wow! Narrator = no. ... Sorry bro.
huh?
Thanks bot.
lmao. I'm legit confused by what you are trying to say with your comment? I'm no bot
@@FrameVoyager ... That is EXACTLY what a bot would say.
lmao, sure. The only thing I can assume your first comment meant was that you didn't like the way I pronounce "Osage"?
So they bought a story for 5 million only to spend a whole lot more money changing the story. Oookay .
Yeah it's called buying the rights. Lol.
Lol.. fairpoint I just wonder how close they were to make it a transformative work that would circumvent rights issues.
@@PrimePhilosophy well at first all I know is it was a story about J Edgar Hoover's POV I believe with Dicaprios signed to play that part (or the Jesse Plemons part) but 2 years into writing the script Dicaprio talked Scorcrse into having it rewritten the way we know it now and they had to start all over again.
@@adolescentwombat sounds like they have money to burn. I have a feeling this will be boring compared to Scorcese's other films.. kinda like Oppenheimer vs Nolans other work.
@@PrimePhilosophy Well after the Irishman which to me is Scorcese's only really truly bad film I wasn't expecting him to bounce back so fast (not a huge fan of Gangs Of New York as it's just too big and too much or even Wolf Of Wall Street which I enjoyed a lot but seemed like another director trying to be Scorcese and failing).
I hate Netflix,AppleTv,Amazon Prime etc,,
Just like diseases,
Disappointing that when you mentioned "A-list" cast, you deliberately left out Lily Gladstone., this shows again , how whitewashed you are in the conscious bias your script it. #TOTALBALONEY
Given that this video was released before the film, what else has she done to be considered an A-list actress in the industry before this film? She is probably going to get nominated for this performance for sure. But saying "A-list" actor doesn't even really mean a "good or great" actor. Mark Wahlberg would be considered an A-list actor. I'd say he's a fairly average actor.
And while I'd agree there has always been a disparity of representation in film, in this case, it wouldn't make sense to describe her as an A-list actor. Rising star or Breakout star is likely a better term to describe her. So no, I'm not whitewashing anything with that terminology. You could make a valid point that the film does that in general considering all of the white A-list actors on this, but to say I'm showing a white-washed conscious bias in the script because I didn't call Lily Gladstone an "A-list" actress, especially since there is no credible way to point to that, is kinda low. If you want to point out the fact that her not already being an "a-list" actress is because of that bias, you have a much stronger point.
Good video. Boring movie.
I just can’t take this video seriously with over the top film grain effects you’ve applied to these images. It shows a fundamental lack of respect for the content that undermines your critical analysis.
Lmao, ok 😂 We use the film grain because images and videos you can't always find high quality versions of, so instead of just showing pixelated footage the film grain cuts down on that. I'm not sure how that means I'm disrespecting the content lol
How was Scorsese inspired by Beau is Afraid when writing Killers of the Flower Moon if Killers premiered at Cannes the same time Beau was in theaters?