Powder Coating At Home! You Can Do It!
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- This episode on Blondihacks, I’m trying out home powder coating! Exclusive videos, drawings, models & plans available on Patreon!
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It's hard not to be a bit of a zealot once introduced to the joys of powdercoating. I don't know why Eastwood insist on stainless steel wire. I've used copper, aluminium and steel wire and they all work fine. The low voltage setting on the power supply is to help get the powder into recesses and deep cavities. It's better at reducing the Faraday effect. Have you discovered the excitement of triggering the HV while holding the grounded part yet?
Ohhh, thanks for that info, Preso! I should have asked you first. 😄 I’ll make good use of that low voltage setting. The book did explain the Faraday problem, but did not explain how the low voltage setting will reduce it.
I have not discovered that joy, but it’s been on my mind a lot. I did get the gun too close once and saw the arc. Gives one pause about the voltage flying around in there. 😳
I wonder if they insist on stainless steel wire because other kinds can corrode and form a skin that acts as a resistor to the ground connection. Completely guessing of course.
I've been wondering about Quinn's sample part, with the wire looped through the hole - whether the wire would create a shadow on the part. What about a tiny sheet metal screw in the hole, with the wire wrapped solidly around it?
If you are trying to get into recesses and the low voltage setting is still to much you can mist the coating in without hitting the voltage button at all. Once you put a little powder on the piece will keep a small amount of residual voltage and it will be enough. It is the opposite of painting, generally you try to mist the recessed areas first so you don't put too much everywhere else, powder is the opposite, cover the easy parts and then mist in the tricky spots.
If you have the space, I recommend finding a used electric wall oven. That's what I use for all my powder coating.
What a wonderful tutorial on home powercoating! I knew that these kits were available, but I figured that they really couldn't be worthwhile, since the 'big guys' have such large and expensive ovens. Seeing is believing, and now I know that this kind of work is feasible in the small shop, and the results can be excellent!
I mean, powder coating is essen\tidally melting powdered plastic. It doesn’t seem like it should be too hard to get something functional. Getting it to volume mass production is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Wow Quinn. You teach many of us something new every week, but now you can say you taught something to Ron Covell.
Did you really trademark "Sproing"?? Genius!
I did some just by blowing some on a flat piece and using a heat gun to melt it, worked great
I know a guy that picked up a double oven free on marketplace. He cut out the center divider and connected the doors, it gave a big enough heating area to do small motorcycle frames.
Seeing Quinn sitting down in the box just warmed my nostalgic heart
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I'm going to build myself a cardboard fort for old time sake
I really got a chuckle, when a minute after destroying the box, you point out that a big cardboard box would make a good paint/powder booth…
That was so awesome ❤ I fell in love a little bit...
She has a new title to add to her resume, "shop kitty".
My graduation project at the art academy was a cardboard tunnel that people had to crawl through on hands and knees. I left markers troughout the tunnel (it was pretty dark) so people could leave messages, and they did. It was like cave paintings. Pretty great. ^_^
@@theothertonydutch sounds amazing
Hey everyone! Yes, I did install the drip tray incorrectly. I swear I read the instructions but I missed that detail. 😊 Didn’t seem to hurt anything but I have since fixed it.
For smaller parts you can just degrees them then put them in a container with the powder and shake it to coat them. Lots of people who cast lead bullets powder coat their bullets this way.
@@bluebanana6753 I know nothing about casting bullets but am curious as to why they get powder coated?
Also putting the item to be coated in a container with the powder, does that not affect the final coating thickness?
Just a suggestion you could try mixing some powder with acetone or lacquer thinner then dip your small parts or put it in a gun & spray then bake as per normal 👍.
Can you turn the oven on its side to get more interior height? IDK, just asking.
You owe Sprocket a box. 😂
Quinn, if the toaster doesn't quite have the stability or recovery time you need, there are conversion kits to turn them into PID-controlled, better insulated reflow ovens for SMD soldering. I did a Controleo3 conversion on a similar toaster to yours a while back and was fairly impressed with the results
I've done the same, only for bakng SMT PCBs. It's an excellent product. I can't remember if the hardware is open source, but the firmware definitely is.
I suppose a HotShot 360 would be overkill.
Many years ago, I built a box containing an Omega PID controller and an SSR to control my small 120V glass kiln. The controller plugs into the wall, and the kiln plugs into the controller. Because it's designed that way, I can use the same box to precisely control a small toaster oven I use to cure Vitrea 160 glass paint, because if you overheat that stuff it tends to discolor pretty badly.
I've also used the same controller, with a separate, dedicated-use sealed stainless-steel thermocouple, to control a hot plate I was using to make cheese at home.
Another recommendation for Controleo3. Great kit; works very well.
In unrelated news: kitchen appliance cords are required (UL/ETL, maybe) to be no more than 3' and no less than 2' long, so a lot of stuff comes with a 2' cord now.
@@babyeatingpsychopath The reasoning behind the short cord seems to officially be as a way to prevent a tripping hazard. Another reason is that since current electrical codes require enough outlets in kitchens that a longer cord is unneeded. If you're aware of toaster bathing, it's far more likely that the driving factor comes from the bathroom electrical code and manufacturers covering their own butts from lawsuits stemming from the sudden desire to have toast while taking a bubble bath.
For toaster oven stability, the polymer clay folks like to bring it up to temperature with a brick or a big ceramic floor tile in there. A nice, durable thermal mass can even out the temp swings from those door openings but won't off-gas anything.
Bread and pizza folks do it similarly. 😎
👉What are the temp’s needed to cure it? Reason asked is I use a large Dehydrator unit for curing many of my hobby items. However the 🔝 temp is only about 160°
Thx
Lee
Good idea!
My first thoughts on why the temperature bleeds prevent 425 degrees is because the electrical and wiring insulation will fail sooner at that higher temperature.
So shielding that vulnerable side with refractory material makes sense as well as heat sinking, insulating, and thermal mass in all the right spots.
Hi Quinn. I used to do powder coating on parts for medical braces. They were mostly all aluminum parts, but I also did some steel now and then. Just a couple of suggestions (based on my experience)...
Fist is that some stainless steels aren't really good electrical conductors. I used to use steel wire (like the kind you would use to tie rebar with. You can get rolls of it at most any hardware store.) to hang my parts. That might improve your bad ground issue.
The other thing is that I would pre-heat the parts before spraying them. The guy that taught me how to do powder coating said it helped getting the powder to stick to the parts before moving them into the oven. I think I was baking everything at only 350 degrees, and I never had any failures. I don't know what Eastwood would have to say about that, but it might be worth trying.
-Andy T.
Yes. I used to work at a metal fabrication shop, and everything was powder coated. All the parts were hung on a large conveyor with hooks and then pre- heated, then painted and then back up into the oven for the final curing.
preheating works great. Also helps to eliminate any oils that may still be on your materials. I’ve even powder coated with a propane torch. You can spot repair with a torch too. Clean the effected area. Heat with torch. Spray with paint and keep hot enough for the paint to melt. Powder coat is awesome! Cleanup is such a breeze too!
For the crumb tray there should be a slot underneath the door it goes in. The "pan" will hang underneath the rack and helps catch the drips.
+1 for this one, the way it's now is blocking the bottom heaters
Oops, you’re right! ☺️
A toaster oven turned on its side is an awesome tool to cook some larger parts
Wow, such a simple idea.
Yes, but absolutely horrible for pizza. I had to build my sideways oven into a rather unwieldy centrifuge to keep the melty cheese from dripping right off. The whole thing was a nightmare of trial and error. Test, scrape cheese, rebuild, test, scrape cheese… but in the end I got it dialed in just dandy.
Of course, my wife hated it. “It takes up all the floor space in the kitchen, and half the dining room, and it scares the dog!”, she said. I swear, that woman just can’t envision the greatness of my ingenuity.
@@mrimmortal1579 ++
I use an old Harbor Freight gun and power supply. I picked up an old hospital food warming cart, and used the controls and elements from a household kitchen oven. It works great. I did have to add additional insulation to the food cart so the outside wouldn't get too hot. I've used this set up for about 12 years now. You can't beat powder coating. It is so much faster than painting, and as you said it is so much more durable. . . . Chuck
Nice tutorial, the only thing I like to mention is the time when curing white paint. When white paint is cured to long (or to hot) it tends to get yellow or brown. I have seen this often when at my workplace they stop the paint chain with white parts still in the oven when shift is over. The next day the parts are in a different shade of brown, depending on where they were at in the oven. Now they don't paint light colors at the end of the shift.
At this point, I'm mainly here for the narration. The cat/box interlude was hilarious! 😀
4:25 Enjoying life that's what you're doing. :)
If you decide you need something bigger, Oster makes a french door toaster oven 'XL fits 2 16" pizzas' and has a pretty large interior space and is pretty tall which should make it a lot easier to put parts in. I managed to find a refurbished one at a decent discount and it is in the garage awaiting my first powder coat project.
Your COMMENTING POLICY is spot on. Now I know I need a shop oven too. I enjoyed that, will be back.
For somewhat larger oven, keep an eye on any local auction houses. We have a local "public surplus" auction house not too far away that deals in surplus from stae agencies and I picked up a used lab oven (calibrated even) that goes up to about 240c (475f) for $26 USD. Well over $3000 new.
There is another technique that does not require a powder gun or a booth. Take a small bucket, put an air line into it at the bottom. Over it place a plywood disc with a bunch of small holes in it; the disc should also be covered with fabric. With the air line and diffuser in place, put a good amount of powder over it, but don't fill the bucket all the way. SLOWLY turn up the pressure until the powder starts to bubble, it would be almost like water bubbling in an aquarium. Preheat your part, then dunk it into this aerated powder. The heat will melt a tiny amount of powder that touches the part, coating it.
Disclamer: while I have seen this technique give good results on an industrial scale, I have not tried this small-scale setup, so I do not know how good of a coating it will produce. I am mainly just sharing the idea.
I think that depends on getting air bubbles distributed to all nooks and crannies equally. If certain areas have dead airflow then you need to craft targeted streams to those dead spots.
@@gary.richardson True, it won't work for absolutely everything. But if you're coating simpler things then it'll save you from having to get expensive equipment. And to be hones, even that equipment struggles with some geometries.
It's amazing to me that this is possible at home. Very cool to see, even if I'm not personally quite ready for this kind of plunge.
I got into powder coating last year and the only thing i use to cure it is an infrared heat lamp. I heard of people using them on car body panels and didn't think it would be enough to cure it properly but after many tests i have found the durability to be no different than curing it in an oven. I just hold the lamp over it until the powder glosses and move over a little at a time while the gloss follows. the thicker the part the longer it takes to heat up but it works great on bigger parts. I rebuilt a welder generator and completely powder coated the whole thing with no problem. the hardest part was the cast iron engine bc it took about 5 min to heat up
The Eastwood book mentions that this is possible for larger parts. Good to hear it works.
As for toaster ovens, some air fryers are also toaster ovens (in reality, they're just counter-top convection ovens) and they can get fairly large. Might be worth looking into.
The convection part would be a problem. It would effectively be like hurricane winds on powder that's barely adhering to the surface until it gets hot.
@@AlRoderick I only have experience with the one I have, but mine can have the fan off for toasting and baking and the like. The convection fan is an option, not a requirement.
@Blondihacks Eastwood also makes a paint stripper that will remove powder coat. it's called Down to Metal Paint and Powder Stripper. it is the best paint stripper i have ever used. I restore old cars as a hobby and took a gas tank to be boiled out to get all the dirt and varnish out of it. the company that did work painted it with black epoxy paint when they were finished, even though i told them not to, since the tank is galvanized steel and was never painted at the factory. so, it makes it incorrect for the restoration. epoxy paint is incredibly tough to remove so i had to find a solution that would remove a tough paint, but not harm the zinc coating underneath. I can say that the Eastwood Paint and Powder Stripper did an outstanding job. they have a video on the net of it removing orange powder coat from a chrome valve cover. the stuff is amazing.
A couple of things I have learned powder coating at home....Use old wire hangers bent into an "S" to save $. Always heat cast parts above the curing temp to "cook" out anything embedded in the pores before coating.
This is awesome! I didn't even know it was possible to powder coat at home.
Years ago, my mountain bike (don't ask. It's ancient) was so marked up I wanted to paint it but it's aluminum and I didn't trust myself painting it. I talked to a friend of mine that worked at an auto parts manufacturing company and after I stripped the paint off it, she carried my bike frame in the back and they powder coated it AND baked it on free of charge. Of course management didn't know they did this LOL! Still have the bike and the paint is near bullet proof. I managed to chip it once in accident with a tool made of hardened tool steel. I'm am idiot but the ladies at the factory are awesome!
I’ve found the not sponsored Eastwood store and staff in the Cleveland area to be very helpful for my non-automotive hobbies. I was totally ignorant until now about powder coating and assumed it would give Confectioners sugar coating. The box routine was a riot. Thanks for all.
Enjoying the switcher build, and very glad to see this one in particular. I've wanted to get a powder coating setup, but cost was an issue for most. This appears to be great for DIY'ers and armed with your testing and suggestions, anyone going this route would have less frustration. Thanks a lot.
You know why I like your channel, Quinn... it's the same reason why I (unfairly) avoided clicking any of your videos when they started appearing in my feed. So many females in male dominated areas these days make that a focus of their content ("I'm a [woodworker/machinist/maker/etc], but I'm _also_ a female... *_WhOoOaAa_* ..."). In all the videos I've seen these last few months, I don't think I've ever heard it even referenced. You just make interesting projects, with solid know how, and approachable presentation. I'm a fan.
PS. what is it with all you Canucks and machining? Clearly something in the water. xD
Love the new to the gear, guidelines mixed in with honest evaluations. Happy to subscribe.
Thank you, Quinn, for another useful video, you are wonder filled! Please excuse me if you or someone else has mentioned, that some ovens can be set on end, 90 degrees off it's intended posture, and that can help with hanging longer pieces.
Again, thank you for all your efforts, insight, and humor! You are making the world a better place!
What an interesting tutorial, I have often wondered what it takes for home workshop powder coating but dismissed the thought believing it to be impossible/ far too expensive. Thank you Quinn.
Yes! Thank you for checking one of these out because I love how thorough you are. So many cool powders out there to play with. :D I have my old oven with a dead stovetop and another oven innard under a tarp outside to extend it. I can't wait to chuck a bike frame in it one day!
Don't forget about "hot flokking" to lay the powder down thicker to cover the minutiae. ;)
Yes, she does a good job. One of the reasons that I subscribed to her channel. That and I would love to see more ladies doing this sort of work. The girls can be great in the shop, they bring a different mind set to the work.
The powder coater I used to use would take a quarter out of his pocket and strike the surface like a slightly annoyed bluegrass player. That caused the metal to show through and he coated new parts for me for free. Subsequently I would inspect incoming coated parts the same way. I never got a bad part from him again.
Daily I pass by parts I had Kynar powder coated in the late 80’s. Those parts live outside in the weather and still look great today.
Never let anything stop you from sitting in a box you want to sit in. :D
Though due to the shoddy nature of modern box manufacturing, might I suggest a double wrapping of duct tape around the upper edge of the box next time. I find it really hel-- I mean, I _imagine_ it would really help maintain box integrity.
Excellent timing on this subject, and remember, crazy is good.
Another informative video. I like your step wise approach to powder coating.
The first time I actually read the information of one of your videos. (usually watch on my TV) Thank you for your effort.
Answered tons of practical questions I didn’t even know I had! Great summary, thanks Quinn!
I’m really enjoying your videos. I got excited when I started powder coating also. It’s so convenient and so effective! I don’t miss old cans of spray paint with crusty nozzles sitting around the shop!
Thank you for this, Quinn. I’ve been curious about these kits for years!
The box - this is the quality content I’ve subscribed for.
Looks like it's working pretty well, though seems like the air pressure might be a bit high.
My powder gun is an ancient Eastwood setup, for small parts I always found it worked the best at far lower pressures than recommended... Basically you want a "breath" cloud of powder on the part, like if you asked someone to smell your breath.
For larger parts (mostly car rims) I used the higher recommended pressures and the deflector.
Thankfully I've never had someone ask me to smell their breath!😂
Excellent information. I think I will pick up that kit with the add-on book and an appropriate oven for my Christmas gift to myself, this year. Thanks for the upload, Quinn.
Thank you for posting this. I have been apprehensive about trying powder coating but your video is very encouraging!
Using a screw into a threaded hole as the grounding point should give one of the best possible ground connections and a great place to attach the support wire(s). It would also serve double duty to prevent the powder coating from filling those same threads.
Thank you for making this video. You have answere# a lot of my questions about powder coating. The scratch test you did, as an amateur, convinced me that the coating is something I could do without wasting a lot of material getting everything set up.
Kudos on the quality of your tutorial. You covered everything and even things that did not occur to me, that I would need to know as I watched it👍
I would've guessed that fluidized bed powder coating would be the go-to method for a home shop.
The idea is that you have a pot full of thermoplastic powder with air bubbling through it, making it behave like a very thin liquid. You preheat your part, dip it in, and use the part's latent heat to make the powder stick. And then in goes into a fusing oven like any other powder coating process.
It's a lot easier to set up, it's potentially a lot less messy, PPE requirements are a little simpler, and you don't have to worry about powder clinging in weird ways due to uneven electric charge distribution.
That could be an interesting project to set up.
That box scene. Man I love you!
Wow! Just wow! Very educative and instructive and, as always, delivered with some aplomb.
The best 'how-to' I've ever seen!
You're a natural, and the film/edit crew are very good.
I'm fired up, will chase this down.
The “crew” is all just me so thank you very much. 😊
Pretty cool little kit. It does seem like a pretty simple process and work well.
Thanks for sharing.
Great demonstration and tutorial. Straight forward and clear, thanks for sharing!
Quinn, over the years I have seen you come up with some very creative solutions but it was nice to see you thinking 'inside the box'.
Great new tool video Quinn.
Thanks, Quinn! I have an immediate use for this process, had no idea one could do it in their own shop.
Love that you play with the cardboard box.
You really are excited with your new toy, like a kid that has tried ice cream for the first time!
Nice to see you so happy.
Nice presentation. Thank you for the great introduction and information.
Wow very impressed by the Diyah powder coating kit.
Another great video Quinn!
I watch a few restoration channels where they do powder coating and have seen quite a few of them using vertical electric smokers with a glass (or at least clear) door to watch what's going on inside. They usually have up to 4 racks in them that you can move around or take out to do larger hanging parts, and being 30" tall, but skinny, they'd take up less room on a table top, or some come with stands to set them on the floor. The channel "Rescue and Restore" shows one in use in every video.
Wonderful! Most excellent tutorial.
Super cool! thank you for that. Have been looking at that system and you just proved it value!
What a great video! Very well done as always! Thanks again Quinn!
Very useful guide. Thanks, Blondy.
Looks really good. Now I want to try it.
Thank you for making this video! I was very involved in industrial powder coating and always wondered about this kit from Eastwood. Eastwood is about one hour from my house, so I am very lucky.
Super cool! I didn't know the bit about the deflector at the end of the gun, I also paint small parts and I'm sure that's going to help. powder coating is a really friendly hobby shop process.
Nice process, good idea, well done Quinn
Lol , sitting in the box was quite funny ! Always loved when a new fridge came to our home or a neighbours . That size box always ended up being a fort or army tank 😜
" Never too late to have a good choldhood "
Cant wait to see you engineer your loco . You'll love it ! I have a 3.5" Friends Atlantic 4-4-2 .
You're doing an amazing job Quinn 👌👌
Totally love your work Quinn!
Interesting. Thanks for demonstrating the process for us!
Everything you do on this channel is interesting🤠 Great work!
So cool! Thanks for video! Well-shot, with great information. And you are fun!
Very encouraging video. I have had that same kit stored on a shelf for over a year now... I also got a full size kitchen stove with an oven. A friend gave me the stove as one of the burners was bad and they got a new stove as a warranty replacement... so the oven on this stove had never been used... I definitely need to give powder coating a try...
Excellent training video... I might have to try that...
Great tutorial, the tip about the collapsible spray tent was good, I didn’t know about them 👍😁
Harbor Freight used to sell a powder coating oven that is about the size of a dishwasher. I got lucky and picked one up off Craig's list for $100. It's about the correct height to put a small blasting cabinet on top, which is also used for powder coating.
Great first time job, clear(powder) works nice on brass also
That's awesome! As always very educational! Iight just have to look into this powder coating ! Thanks for all you do!
Fantastic, informative, inspirational and fun. Thanks Quinn.
There is also a dip powder coat/paint system for making fishing lures. When I worked in a commercial powder coating facility we had straps made of thin bar stock with tight bend and bolt and nut and multi thickness plugs on the strap for tight fit on part
I bought a powder coating kit from Harbor Freight many years ago. I found a nice over/under double electric oven on trash day for free. I've powder coated a lot of car parts in it. You're correct, powder is pretty forgiving, and is very durable. I sand blast my parts before coating. The blasted surface texture gives the powder even more to stick to. You did a great job. Enjoy!
Great little primer on powder coating. 🤙
Thanks Quinn! 🎉
Yeah, I took the same path you did some years ago (Eastwood, cheap toaster oven from Walmart). I love it. I powder coat all my tube amp projects.
Love the tube amps. 😎👍
Wow, that is a nice kit. Eastwood stuff is a bit expensive but we'll worth it.
Thanks and Meow to Sprocket.
And I guess a cardboard Meow to you too!
I’m saving this for future reference. I know I’m gonna get into this, and you seemed to have synthesized all the tips and advice that I’d otherwise be spending forever collecting.
@4:00 really caught me by surprise, and it was just delightful! I really enjoy your channel
foreshadowing excellent finishes
did not know it was this straightforward, tnx for the info
That was really interesting Quinn, I may just have yo have a go myself. As always, thank you! 🙂
I also went down the Eastwood solution to power coating and did get one of their ovens. I have used to extensively in my antique car restorations. I have found I do need a bit larger oven, but the small parts work great. Also, I live about 5 miles from a major power coating dealer and getting power and other items very easy and I don't have to pay freight. I'm getting ready to purchase a 100k volt gun. Great information.!
Great tutorial and enlightening.
This is fantastic! I was very curious about how well this works. I've had a spare oven waiting...
Awesome! I work on vintage airguns with diecast parts that won't take blueing and paint just chips off. I never thought to powder coat them because the frames are so small compared to items I usually see powder coated. Next time I need to refurbish a frame, I'll give this a try.
What a coincidence - I recently bought the same setup to powdercoat small control panels and had a similar "Well... that was easier than expected" experience. As long as you're already familiar with basic parts cleaning/prep work then powder coating is a breeze (at least for simple and moderately sized parts).
Powder coating always looks great!
As someone who knows nothing…
1) could you safely mount the microwave oven vertically with the controls at the bottom to give you more space when placing things in? Take away the worry off catching the powder coated items on the way in.
2) put it on something higher or maybe a trolley to make it easier for you when using it :)
3) in the booth, how about a turntable/lazy Susan with an arm on so you can rotate the part rather than picking it up and moving it. Less chance of dropping it.
Seeing you do an in depth dive on powder coating was so cool, I might have to give it a try on auto parts restoration
Exactly what I’m thinking
Very interesting. Great episode.
OK Quinn, you just earned the moniker Crazy Cat Hobby Machinist Lady!!!!