Mainz has 'only' 204K HE DPM... but that's not nearly the whole story (and that still makes it 5th in tier out of 44). It has increased penetration, negating the need for IFHE, and thereby retaining its decent fire chance. Mainz also has great range and the best shell velocity, making her the best DD killer at T8. I would argue that Mainz is the best HE spammer in T8 as well for that reason. Add to that a 6km hydro and 4x6 torps... Total menace. My only real gripe with Mainz is that somehow she catches fire a LOT.
@@KGAnims Good point. The radar is a definite advantage, but Chapayev has much lower rate of fire. Still, a good competitor. Also has amazing shell velocity, although a little less so at range.
Love my Mainz! She was the first premium ship I got and didn't realize how much I would end up enjoying her. She's monstrous in Operations too, super fun there and a great credit farmer to boot.
I love the Mainz, I got it when it first came out and it´s been my go to CA in Tier VIII ever since. That 17 km range is really nice, I can´t tell you how many BBs I´ve burned down with it. I got really lucky and got the Mainz B from one of the Black Friday crates from the Battle Pass, so I´m quite happy. For those that don´t have it, I highly recommend it. I call it the ¨baby Hindenhurg.¨
I adore this ship. As a cruiser main, she is everything that a cruiser is supposed to be. DPM machine that will explode if you sneeze at it. The lack of heal sucks, but because of the DPM, it kind of needs to be balanced. ETA: Inside 12km, her AP is so good.
WG has actually made a line of German light cruisers, it's just all "What if Germany sold the cruiser to the Dutch" so all the ships are Dutch for some reason....
Yes, CV spotting socks for everyone. But its especially true for ships that are dependent on stealth to play well - light CAs and DDs. I had a T10 Mogami game yesterday & the CV was on my flank. I didn't have fun
Light cruisers sometimes have better AA than heavy cruisers. For example, Shimanto has stronger AA than Mogami. As a DD main, I agree that it can be frustrating to get out-spotted. For me, radar is more of a counter than planes.
@@j_taylor I'm a lot more ok with radar though cause at least that feels like it's supposed to be a counter, and you can play around it a lot easier. There's basically no way to avoid getting focused by a CV if that's what they want to do, so it feels like it's more out of your control.
i have been using modstation for my mods approved by war gaming but i have not seen some of the mods PQ uses, i was wondering where you are downloading them from
They already have the ships to create the cl line. All premiums, but only one missing is a 9 I think. Hindy is the natural 10 to this theoretical line too. Always felt it's a wierd shift from hipper-roon, to the hindy. Give wg another crack at a German cruiser to swap trees w hindy too.
IMO the BEST T8 CA, better armor is better than the Bayard, but it's reload is unbelievable. Better range than Cleveland or Bayard. Can't blame the CV for NOT going after the NC; that things shreds planes at tier.
Bayard is imo just as good, if not better, because it has much better manoeuvrability which makes it so much easier to dodge incoming shots. The range is only slightly shorter but the reload booster in combination with higher HE alpha makes it much stronger if you catch a DD. Still Mainz is also a great ship.
Same! I like Bayard too and I also think that it might be better than Mainz mostly due to better conceal, better handling, better speed and of course MBRB. I've been playing it in ranked and my WR is looking good. Not sure about the AA part though.
I hope they do the carrier rework soon. On console they removed CV spotting and your still on the mini map spotted but you can’t be shot at until you get detected by real ships
She is decent in Operations. It doesn't handle really well and feels pretty clunky. Yes, it has good guns, but one needs to remember - Mainz is only a light cruiser. Her armor was nerfed quite some time ago too.
I find that if you aim your guns on any ship by following the tip of the nose i always hit and barely get weird salvos. Of course if your dispersion is bad thats not something you can account for. But just imagine the line you see on the minimapp coming from their nose in the water and lead accordingly to just following where that line is going. Thats how i aim with light cruisers and battleships and get a lot of succes with it. Try it in a game and see for yourself ;). Might be difficult imagining the line while following where the nose goes towards but its worth the try no?
Good ship, however I only play it in Ranked or any other t8 event where pushing up is actually possible. That hydro makes wonders in ranked. I think I lost like 2 games only, but I got like 90% of the time 1st spot on the team because it is so easy to carry.
22:17 That effect is called „Reversion to the Mean“. You’ll complain more when there are less fires than usual. Since fires appear with equal probability with every hit, you will statistically have more fires after you complained than before. Still, your complaints do nothing.
Mainz is honestly a menace and if it had a heal like Prinz Eugen....it would be an absolute monster It has more DPM than a god damn Hindenburg and we all know how well Hindi farms Also we have a German Light Cruiser line on Lesta;s and they are just horrible... dpm-wise
Can you try N.Carolina , cuz many of us will be getting it on 31 dec in event expedition to north pole, also, as a new player, what should i go for as a reward on 31 dec N.carolina or schlieffen??
N.C is probably more new player friendly. German battlecruisers are nice in certain situations while abysmal in others. Don't get me wrong I love mine, especially in asymmetric or in operations, but US bb line is a better overall foundation. But I'm just a guy on the Internet, so I might he talking out of my a*s 😂
Resources wise, the Schlieffen costs more to get than the NC. Besides that, it is very good at doing some missions like ribbon farming. I wont say you gonna be wrong with the NC ( pretty good ship, i even got the CLR version ), but i personally would choose a free T10 over a free T8.
@@lengyel109 Naa mate you only speak the true i got the schife as my 2 tier x and oh boy.. how bad expierence i got, i'm like the 0 -150 battles, is prob the most fun ship to sailin, to my in t10 but is hard to learm how to do someting in it and not yust stay in one cap or island whit your secondaries doing the work
personally i don't think there can be a german cl line, they only got the m class after the Nuremburg, it doesn't mean they can't but it seems like it might need some unknown designs or even some creativity, i'd rather guess it will be a cb line, the Deutschland, p class and o class, but i guess pq won't like it lol
4:10 Right there you answer your own question. The BB mains would complain to much about a cruiser line that is actually a threat to them. I mean just think back to how much people complained when the Pan-Asian CLs were announced, that they would "ruin top tier" and would be the most overpowered things to ever overpower. All because they had rapid fire guns. The cries of "won't someone think of the poor BB mains!" were loud and it lead to a lot of those ships getting fairly heavily nerfed in testing, and slowly rebuffed over time. The Pan-American CLs had HE at one point, with the same gimmick that Jacksonville gets with a slower than normal reload, and again the crying from BB mains caused Wargaming to remove the HE entirely, and replace the gimmick with one that honestly is a lot worse, while not buffing the reload rate of the ships to compensate for having lost the reason for their slower reload. Leading to those cruisers not really doing a whole lot. I'd LOVE to see a German CL line with 150mm guns and good rate of fire, but knowing this community, even if Wargaming only gave the T10 9 guns and a 5 second reload, they would complain to the highest heavens that it would be the most overpowered thing to ever overpower until Wargaming nerfed the ever living shit out of it.
Spanish cruiser Burstfire Used to give them more AP pen in testing. This allowed them to citadel broadside BBs who didnt respect heavy cruisers. This naturally got nerfed to the burstfire we see now where its 2 normal salvos so BBs can still be safe.
pushing into a Mainz is not a good idea. Still getting down around 4.5 second reload is great for that little machine gun 150mm's. Still just the volume of fire just freaks out some BB players.
I always laugh when you try to talk seriously about aiming assistance, I’ve been playing for 6 years, I’ve never had a problem in my life with fools who skate back and forth, thinking that this will save them, it will only save u doin this if there’s a really stupid player against you, and nothing more... Mainz cool
thx for mentioning my so called aimbot. but in my opinion they should also remove better dispersion when lock on. either i have a certain dispertion no matter if lock on or not. WG, make it official that its not a simulation as you always say, but then remove all this fake details and stats to not pretend to be more than a 3d dice rolling game for noobs.
I might have chuckled when you mentioned the Bismarck and Eugen pushing your spawn together. It's kind of comical.
I was the Eugen in the first game and when I saw my Bismarck sending I knew I had to as well 😂
straight outta 1941
Mainz has 'only' 204K HE DPM... but that's not nearly the whole story (and that still makes it 5th in tier out of 44). It has increased penetration, negating the need for IFHE, and thereby retaining its decent fire chance. Mainz also has great range and the best shell velocity, making her the best DD killer at T8. I would argue that Mainz is the best HE spammer in T8 as well for that reason. Add to that a 6km hydro and 4x6 torps... Total menace.
My only real gripe with Mainz is that somehow she catches fire a LOT.
Well functionally Chapayev would be better DD killer with radar trap and 12 guns...
Her biggest weaknesses are the turret angles and poor concealment
@@banhbaothit1629 Agreed.
@@KGAnims Good point. The radar is a definite advantage, but Chapayev has much lower rate of fire. Still, a good competitor. Also has amazing shell velocity, although a little less so at range.
Cleveland is the best DD killer at t8. Nothing else is even close.
Love my Mainz! She was the first premium ship I got and didn't realize how much I would end up enjoying her. She's monstrous in Operations too, super fun there and a great credit farmer to boot.
I love the Mainz, I got it when it first came out and it´s been my go to CA in Tier VIII ever since. That 17 km range is really nice, I can´t tell you how many BBs I´ve burned down with it. I got really lucky and got the Mainz B from one of the Black Friday crates from the Battle Pass, so I´m quite happy. For those that don´t have it, I highly recommend it. I call it the ¨baby Hindenhurg.¨
doesn't it have better DPM than hindenburg? it's pretty nuts especially if you go up against t6's
PQ WeeGee has made a German light cruiser line, it's in the dutch tech tree in update 14
I can approve, that Mainz is a beautiful city
Mainz plus Munchen branching off Nurnberg would have been most of the line sorted already
I adore this ship. As a cruiser main, she is everything that a cruiser is supposed to be. DPM machine that will explode if you sneeze at it. The lack of heal sucks, but because of the DPM, it kind of needs to be balanced.
ETA: Inside 12km, her AP is so good.
WG has actually made a line of German light cruisers, it's just all "What if Germany sold the cruiser to the Dutch" so all the ships are Dutch for some reason....
Yes, CV spotting socks for everyone. But its especially true for ships that are dependent on stealth to play well - light CAs and DDs. I had a T10 Mogami game yesterday & the CV was on my flank. I didn't have fun
Light cruisers sometimes have better AA than heavy cruisers.
For example, Shimanto has stronger AA than Mogami.
As a DD main, I agree that it can be frustrating to get out-spotted. For me, radar is more of a counter than planes.
@@j_taylor I'm a lot more ok with radar though cause at least that feels like it's supposed to be a counter, and you can play around it a lot easier. There's basically no way to avoid getting focused by a CV if that's what they want to do, so it feels like it's more out of your control.
Ive been waiting for this video for a week, first premium i got in wows from the black Friday container❤
But what about the ship and captain specs???
Congrats! Mainz is so much fun.
@@billhanna2148 u mean my capt specs i use??
@@j_taylor thankss
One of my fav ships no doubt
i have been using modstation for my mods approved by war gaming but i have not seen some of the mods PQ uses, i was wondering where you are downloading them from
They already have the ships to create the cl line. All premiums, but only one missing is a 9 I think. Hindy is the natural 10 to this theoretical line too. Always felt it's a wierd shift from hipper-roon, to the hindy. Give wg another crack at a German cruiser to swap trees w hindy too.
iirc just after this came out, 2 t7s German light cruisers came out. Different from each other but both very fun.
IMO the BEST T8 CA, better armor is better than the Bayard, but it's reload is unbelievable. Better range than Cleveland or Bayard. Can't blame the CV for NOT going after the NC; that things shreds planes at tier.
Bayard is imo just as good, if not better, because it has much better manoeuvrability which makes it so much easier to dodge incoming shots. The range is only slightly shorter but the reload booster in combination with higher HE alpha makes it much stronger if you catch a DD. Still Mainz is also a great ship.
Same! I like Bayard too and I also think that it might be better than Mainz mostly due to better conceal, better handling, better speed and of course MBRB. I've been playing it in ranked and my WR is looking good. Not sure about the AA part though.
Did not know about the smoke mod - I was wondering why I've seen some super accurate blindfire coming at me. That's just BS.
This year black Friday reward for me ❤️
I hope they do the carrier rework soon. On console they removed CV spotting and your still on the mini map spotted but you can’t be shot at until you get detected by real ships
It's only been what 3 years now? We're all saying the same prayer.
Ever since that one Yuro video… All I can think about is how Mainz has higher AP dpm than the Hindenburg, which is crazy to me
Hey PQ. What's the name of that reticle? Thanks for the content.
She is decent in Operations. It doesn't handle really well and feels pretty clunky. Yes, it has good guns, but one needs to remember - Mainz is only a light cruiser. Her armor was nerfed quite some time ago too.
Better than decent; she's incredible and can make huge amount of credits as well.
I find that if you aim your guns on any ship by following the tip of the nose i always hit and barely get weird salvos. Of course if your dispersion is bad thats not something you can account for. But just imagine the line you see on the minimapp coming from their nose in the water and lead accordingly to just following where that line is going. Thats how i aim with light cruisers and battleships and get a lot of succes with it. Try it in a game and see for yourself ;). Might be difficult imagining the line while following where the nose goes towards but its worth the try no?
Great first game. It is the fact you can have such a poor team that kind of hurts Randoms in my mind.
Wasn't there a german light cruiser line announced on Lesta? Really hope we get one from Wargaming aswell
Mainz is the only ship i have ever managed to proc lutjens main battery AND secondary battery reload buffs in
Good ship, however I only play it in Ranked or any other t8 event where pushing up is actually possible. That hydro makes wonders in ranked. I think I lost like 2 games only, but I got like 90% of the time 1st spot on the team because it is so easy to carry.
Hey @comments @PQ What mod allows you to see the pen of your guns? cant find it in the Modstation
Aslain mod, just google "wows aslain mod" and you get to the forum to download
aslain mods
22:17 That effect is called „Reversion to the Mean“. You’ll complain more when there are less fires than usual. Since fires appear with equal probability with every hit, you will statistically have more fires after you complained than before. Still, your complaints do nothing.
this is why math is fun
Can You show the captain build for the Mainz, please? Tnx.
I like that ship. It is fun.
I love this ship in T8.
Mainz has been at the top of my tier 8 dubs boats to get. someday i'll get it in a container.
Have had the ship a few years. Quite enjoy it. Very nasty HE farmer.
My favourite ship
Mainz is honestly a menace and if it had a heal like Prinz Eugen....it would be an absolute monster
It has more DPM than a god damn Hindenburg and we all know how well Hindi farms
Also we have a German Light Cruiser line on Lesta;s and they are just horrible... dpm-wise
Weimar is about as good at T7. Mainz is a fantastic Ops ship.
Can you try N.Carolina , cuz many of us will be getting it on 31 dec in event expedition to north pole, also, as a new player, what should i go for as a reward on 31 dec N.carolina or schlieffen??
N.C is probably more new player friendly. German battlecruisers are nice in certain situations while abysmal in others.
Don't get me wrong I love mine, especially in asymmetric or in operations, but US bb line is a better overall foundation. But I'm just a guy on the Internet, so I might he talking out of my a*s 😂
Resources wise, the Schlieffen costs more to get than the NC. Besides that, it is very good at doing some missions like ribbon farming. I wont say you gonna be wrong with the NC ( pretty good ship, i even got the CLR version ), but i personally would choose a free T10 over a free T8.
@@lengyel109 Naa mate you only speak the true i got the schife as my 2 tier x and oh boy.. how bad expierence i got, i'm like the 0 -150 battles, is prob the most fun ship to sailin, to my in t10 but is hard to learm how to do someting in it and not yust stay in one cap or island whit your secondaries doing the work
hon hon hon sacre bleau ! mon president there is a second baguette!
Can u do another Napoli video
Roon next------->
can u show the build?
What is this lock on for better dispersion? How do i use it?
X key
Mainz is the best T8 Cruiser in Game
Cruisers at T8 having 0 repair is ridiculous. Theyre uptiered too often for it to even be fun long term
I tried rotor shift mod at long range xD
Mogami next maybe?
PQ can you do a new video with Kozma Minin?
Donskoi with Hipper guns; more DPM but much harder to kill DDs.....so a bit rubbish
personally i don't think there can be a german cl line, they only got the m class after the Nuremburg, it doesn't mean they can't but it seems like it might need some unknown designs or even some creativity, i'd rather guess it will be a cb line, the Deutschland, p class and o class, but i guess pq won't like it lol
hope we get this at tier 10 at some point
WG: Of course, here the brand new German Cruiser Hildebrand.
4:10 Right there you answer your own question. The BB mains would complain to much about a cruiser line that is actually a threat to them. I mean just think back to how much people complained when the Pan-Asian CLs were announced, that they would "ruin top tier" and would be the most overpowered things to ever overpower. All because they had rapid fire guns. The cries of "won't someone think of the poor BB mains!" were loud and it lead to a lot of those ships getting fairly heavily nerfed in testing, and slowly rebuffed over time.
The Pan-American CLs had HE at one point, with the same gimmick that Jacksonville gets with a slower than normal reload, and again the crying from BB mains caused Wargaming to remove the HE entirely, and replace the gimmick with one that honestly is a lot worse, while not buffing the reload rate of the ships to compensate for having lost the reason for their slower reload. Leading to those cruisers not really doing a whole lot.
I'd LOVE to see a German CL line with 150mm guns and good rate of fire, but knowing this community, even if Wargaming only gave the T10 9 guns and a 5 second reload, they would complain to the highest heavens that it would be the most overpowered thing to ever overpower until Wargaming nerfed the ever living shit out of it.
Spanish cruiser Burstfire Used to give them more AP pen in testing. This allowed them to citadel broadside BBs who didnt respect heavy cruisers. This naturally got nerfed to the burstfire we see now where its 2 normal salvos so BBs can still be safe.
Do a chapayev video if possible
My best game was 379k damage in the Mainz.
pushing into a Mainz is not a good idea. Still getting down around 4.5 second reload is great for that little machine gun 150mm's. Still just the volume of fire just freaks out some BB players.
WTF is this smoke mod your talking about?
I always laugh when you try to talk seriously about aiming assistance, I’ve been playing for 6 years, I’ve never had a problem in my life with fools who skate back and forth, thinking that this will save them, it will only save u doin this if there’s a really stupid player against you, and nothing more... Mainz cool
I use that smoke mod just because of that. Fried some DDs thanks to that mod.
Pls make a new tierlist or update and please a video or post of legal cheating mods.
In case you will, thank You very much.
i can't with this guy's aa and plane complaints... bro just cope
thx for mentioning my so called aimbot.
but in my opinion they should also remove better dispersion when lock on. either i have a certain dispertion no matter if lock on or not.
WG, make it official that its not a simulation as you always say, but then remove all this fake details and stats to not pretend to be more than a 3d dice rolling game for noobs.
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Wow! Well done! We're all so proud of you
SECOND !!