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Manon and Wonhee of Illit remind me a lot of each other. They were both scouted not through audition. Both were brought into a Hybe program extremely late. Both were praised for having potential star power. They both got into their groups. They even have the same birthday! 😂 Honestly I think it was smart for choosing both girls because the internet keeps talking about them which is exactly what Hybe wants! They want more engagement and that’s exactly what those girls are giving them.
But Hybe is such a scum for kicking Youngseo out! That girl clearly didn’t leave on her own terms when she tried to audition for Meovv along with Jiwoo but both didn’t get in and i hope she doesn’t give up on her dreams
@@hallooos7585people compared her leaving letter with Le Sserafim’s Garam and the way it was written was more that they both agreed that she could leave. While with Garam they straight said they ended her contract.
There’s a chance Youngseo left on her own or got kicked out. I really don’t think Hybe got rid of her since they promoted her so much on ru next. I was hoping she would come back to Illit and pull an Ahyeon but ever since the news of Meovv, idk what her fate will be.
@@hallooos7585 how do u know what if she leave by her own we don't know
@@skye4942 Well she clearly didnt leave on her own when at the end of RUNext she wanted to show fans that she can do a cute concept but was unable to, and plus she cried and was clearly happy to be in the group, it just doesn't make sense that she left and is back to auditioning to be apart of another group when she was already in a group in the first place
What I think is so ironic about the situation is the public's take on each one. I used Wonhee as an example of why people were validating the girls in Katseye's feelings. It's not that Manon wasn't talented or that they were saying that it's not even a bad thing to point out pretty privilege and double standards but K-pop fans are the only people who are allowed to point that out ig. Obviously the situations aren't 1 for 1 but Wonhee making it and the public calling the voting rigged is the same as the girls complaining bc there were obvious double standards for Manon. I also think there are other takes on this as well but I just find the hypocrisy funny as a whole.
I definitely don't think the girls are in the wrong for their feelings but I don't think that should've ever gone on camera or public
i understand it perfectly and that's why i don't understand why they posted it? obviously the girls knew they were being filmed but they were being honest with themselves and their mentors. once some of them made their debut with manon, publishing what they said about her, no matter how they felt, can make them uncomfortable and does nothing for their relationship or for the fans
they said multiple times in the doc that they were playing up the drama for views in the western audience. i am part of that audience, and i would never want their confusion and desperation to turn into entertainment
@@rainebows the drama created was during the survival show. Before hand was natural it wasn't created.
That would've been impossible.
@hyuncute ppl will use it against them for years now unfortunately. the entire thing is a mess.
This whole documentary was a roller coaster ride and I feel like they should of released it months ago, instead of now
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It takes a lot of time to edit and interview people after the show. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect the documentary to come out sooner.
I believe the girls had every right to be upset however how they dealt with it. They didn't even deal with it, I wish they'd spoke to her earlier on if it was so frustrating. Rather than throwing shade and letting the frustration boil up.
Didn’t you hear she said they did tell her
… if you watch episode 6 or 7 manon does actually sit with everyone and hashed it out. It was more of Manon’s end to get herself out of her head about not belonging and not being fit, when she definitely did. It was a whole new culture of work ethic and life that she didn’t even knew existed and that the time she spent training actually was something she really wanted. She took accountability and not a lot of people will do that, which is why she looks so much different and confident compared to when she first started
That’s true but also manon she came in real late she didn’t have the training as the other girls who was there already they can’t say she was holding them back because the girls wasn’t doing good even when they had practice for so long it wasn’t until she got there they was doing good it’s not fair for manon she arrived real late and had to adjust to something that’s with anyone if a group of people made friends have a bond and been training for a long time you get thrown in there it will destroy your pride have you thinking you’re not good enough her looks saved her bc if she didn’t have that they still would had trash talk her it wasn’t fair for no one to talk bad about her or be mad be understanding yall had extra training before her and she don’t feel like she fits in she kept saying she shy she don’t feel like she good enough and Sophia tried to say manon wasn’t taking notes she was the only one you seen with a book taking notes they can’t be angry at her at all be angry at the people who brought y’all in and not everyone at once it wasn’t her fault at all
That’s true but also manon she came in real late she didn’t have the training as the other girls who was there already they can’t say she was holding them back because the girls wasn’t doing good even when they had practice for so long it wasn’t until she got there they was doing good it’s not fair for manon she arrived real late and had to adjust to something that’s with anyone if a group of people made friends have a bond and been training for a long time you get thrown in there it will destroy your pride have you thinking you’re not good enough her looks saved her bc if she didn’t have that they still would had trash talk her it wasn’t fair for no one to talk bad about her or be mad be understanding yall had extra training before her and she don’t feel like she fits in she kept saying she shy she don’t feel like she good enough and Sophia tried to say manon wasn’t taking notes she was the only one you seen with a book taking notes they can’t be angry at her at all be angry at the people who brought y’all in and not everyone at once it wasn’t her fault at all
They told her and Manon kept on being a Diva herself. It's not being black or their representation. It is having dignity to be in a group knowing that you worked hard. Manon did not even work hard and did not even show up with practices. I saw one episode that she just literally wanted to be absent like the Diva that she is. It so frustrating.
Honestly i think the debut lineup is pretty fair all of the girls are so talented
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Yes!! Like even Manon the way she pushed herself, I understand why they took her.
I will say the only thing that should not have come out of this is the anti-blackness from some of the fans towards Manon and the micro aggression that some of the girls used towards her. I just think hybe all around just needs to stop with the documentaries before everyone starts hating their artists. They’re literally 2 for 2 right now with LSRM and now Katseye. They’re sabotaging careers and they’re not even realizing it. 😭
There's even anti-blackness coming from fans defending Sophia. I can understand defending her from hate but being racist?!! Really? People really think that'll help in the situation?
I believe people did see her experience from the Western lense (her being a black women and the reality black women face) so for people to go as far as to insult her race made the internal war worse.
@@nandi_m04 manon fans started dehumanize both Lara and Sophia, we're not going to sit there and act like nothing is happening 😅😅 if only manon stans widen their horizon and have a deep understanding of the story that the docu has been trying to tell none of this would happen 😊
@@nandi_m04 correction! stop trying to associate yourself to manon every black groups have different struggles that doesn't mean she's black western people should align themselves to her. Her experiences is different from black Americans also she's light skin of course the favor was on her side you see a full on black person and that would be a different story 😂😂😂
i don't think any of the girls had anything against manon for being black, there were other aspects of her personality, but i agree with the rest
@@nandi_m04 What anti-blackness are you talking about? This was never about the color of skin but about how bad habits/attitude affects the opinions and actions of other people. Trainees are not the only ones against Manon, even the trainers themselves are.
Manon was scouted because she was pretty, we should acknowledge that. She's mentioned she doesn't have a long background in performance. So, her looks got her past auditions. However, I believe Manon could feel the animosity, and that must've felt so alienating and awful. She must've felt like everyone was ganging upon her. 😢
Leave my Yoonchea out of it thank you.
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So true
FACTS , i think manon can really try hard because if she wants this she gonna try i dont want her kiched out the group
Honestly, I think it's healthiest to stay as neutral as possible in this situation. At the end of the day, Manon is getting a lot of flack right now. She has some die hard fans but I would encourage you to look at the conversation around this subject on all the social media platforms, and you will see that most people are criticizing Manon in defense of Sophia and Lara. It is true that she slacked during training and got a spot in the group anyway. It is also true that her peers spoke and joked about her behind her back. It is all documented in the show. I think it's only fair to acknowledge both truths. If we believe that Lara and Sophia can grow and deserve grace than I believe that we should show Manon the same respect. The way I see it is, the way a lot of "fans" are talking about Manon is very reminiscent of solo stan culture, except they are singling out one member to criticize and deem less worthy of her role in the group/team. If this energy continues in this fandom, the fandom will always be toxic. I just don't understand "staning" a group but disliking one member in the group... I don't understand how anyone can believe that these girls made up and that they all deserve to move on from the things that happen two years ago while they were in a highly stressful situation, and then continue to milk the drama on social media, not caring that it is at the expense of one of the members. The fact is, Manon may not have an ally when it comes understanding her perspective while on the show. She never got a real chance to explain herself on camera, and that is not to say that she has to have that chance, but I think if us KPOP fans are committed to cultivating an environment that is healthy for young stars and fans, this culture of ganging up on idols for INCREDIBLY petty drama (I mean, we're talking not going to practice and being too pretty... it can't get any pettier) has got to stop.
I like your take. Also I've already seen people wish for Manon to be taken out the group?!! And fans being racist.
I honestly wish this document didn't come out now either way early before their debut or later on in their career.
Well said! I completely agree.
I completely agree!!
Honestly I didn’t watch the whole survival show but nowadays I really like their songs and check out their videos and everything seems good to me every member is talented and it’s good imo
same 🫶🏻🫶🏻
end of the day, manon never trained in anything before and scouted for her looks, she came with her beautiful natural look and captured fans as Hybe and Getten expected she did what she was bought to do, and is still the reason katseye gets attention and as much as they critique her she looks the exact same as the other girls when she has performed every performance
yeah, but i don't think that's the issue at all 😶🌫️
I feel felt for Adela, Hinari and all the other members who were upset for not being able to debut even with potential 😢
so sad 😢😢
I'm sorry but life isn't fair 🤷🏾♀️ looks definitely matter in the industry not just talent, look at all of your faves. I think the final line up was practically perfect and fit together well, even coming down to the height. The girls that were eliminated wouldn't have fit. They are talented and will be successful with their own separate endeavors, they just weren't meant for the group
ew what a bad take
@PiggiesInTheRain Its not exactly a bad take .......it's the way it was said/commented, we all know how toxic the industry is so YES sadly looks does matter, but aside from that, the girls were most def chosen for their talents, there isn't a single person in this group that I would say is completely talentless or doesn't deserve to be there
@@PiggiesInTheRain cry about it. At the end of the day the person is right whether you like it or not. PD Bang even said it himself that you need to have that star quality.
@@nandi_m04 no one cares about that pig lol
in real life if you miss schedules and don't obey the rules you're gonna be penalised for that lol
the document makes manon look like an absolute ass. i don't wanna sugar coat it or start hating on her, but everyone is dancing, working hard and then there's a clip of her just sitting there and saying she's not going today. i understand feeling tired at times, or some mental issues with which you could struggle with, but it just looked like she was not in the mood to go out of laziness. as you said, hybe sucks at making documentaries and i also feel like they might've made manon look like the villain so they can make the fandom more dedicated to protecting the group. it could also very well be that hybe literally made her look worse than that she really was. either way, hybe sucks lmao 😭. hybe is actively sabotaging themselves by making ass documentaries that make people look bad. yikes
I don't want to excuse her behavior, I just want to remind your she's from Switzerland. The work culture there is different. Taking a break is somewhat if a necessity. If they had told her from the get go about the system they're using I think it would've been better. However I did notice the switch after she spoke to Son. She said she was feeling insecure and Son reassured her that they weren't looking for perfection and she took advantage of his response (there was more to what he said) and decided to skip days etc
She is ! Her kind doesn't have proper ethics when it comes to work. Her followers using her race and her face to pitty her😂😂😂😂
@@nandi_m04 so in short you're excusing her behavior 😂😂😂 duh everyone is kicking and you see her drinking whatever that is 😂😂😂
@@nandi_m04 the girls are not the one who is going to adjust to her culture, she's the one who needs to adjust
The documentary showed the reconciling conversation between the girls and also Manon’s comments about how she realized she needed to change her work ethic. It demonstrated growth and conflict resolution. It’s not the fault of those making the documentary if people want to ignore all that and focus more on the conflict and drama.
If Manon was so problematic why Hybe didn't get rid of her? They could've done this if they wanted. It's funny because now it looks like they are punishing her for her past behaviour. Very weird and insensitive, in my opinion. But, well, it's Hybe. We can't expect much from them.
I believe they couldn't let her go due to the star quality she has and how she attracts people's attention. They've been wanting her since they saw her.
@@nandi_m04there's nothing attractable about her but her face but the attitude mehhh!🤭
Yes, I also think they wanted her in the group; they could have kicked her out at any moment. Plus, I don’t understand why this is coming up now. Manon is already part of their agency, and if she or the other girls have a bad image, it directly harms the company. I think they simply don’t know how to make documentaries
@@maneater3491 her attitude? She doesn't even have a bad attitude, she just didn't attend classes accordingly and now she has an attitude. You're such a hater and it's sickening. She very much is attractive and no hate or slander towards the girls will be tolerated.
you know her not wanting to go to classes, what is what she had to do, was slowing everyone's process right? the other girls where having a hard time without her presence especially on the dance lessons where there was a blank space
In Manons case I really hope she improved her work ethic, I mean even the execs said it, but its not her fault either that she got picked in the end
TBH the girl from Brazil would have been picked if she wasn't exposed for having controversial views
what controversial views? 😳
@@hyuncute Samara was a target of fake news saying she was anti-indian, anti-chinese, zionist, extremist christian, islamophobic and pro-war because she liked stuff on Tik Tok and Instagram in portuguese and people who don't even speak the language took it out of context. First she liked a few videos about street food that seemed to be in India. The thing is, Brazilians are the cleanest people in the world. The average brazilian takes three showers a day(myself included), it's a habit we inherited from our indigenous people. So joking about other countries being unhygienic is common in Brasil, but it's nothing personal against India because we also joke a lot about French people and europeans overall being smelly because they don't take showers and just use perfumes instead. We are usually very respectful about it. Most gringos engage on the joke. We have a french comedian that lives in Brasil named "Paul Cabannes" and he jokes about not taking showers all the time. It's just a silly meme, we know this is a real problem in some places, including even the poorest regions in Brasil, but brazilians we are the kind of people that we believe that making fun about our problems make them easier to bare. So Samara is not anti-indian because if she was, Lara and Ezrela wouldn't be friends with her(they both still follow Samara on instagram, Ezrela likes her stuff frequently and Lara liked Samara's video doing the touch challenge). Second:She liked a video in Tik Tok about the war going on in Gaza and people assumed she was in Israel's favor when she wasn't, the video was just explaining the conflict with reliable information and context but hey I guess wanting to be informed about geopolitics is wrong now. The video wasn't taking Israel's side. Third:She is a protestant christian, so she liked a lot of bible stuff that people were saying was conspirationist and intolerant to other religions when it wasn't. And the anti-chinese allegations is because she liked an Instagram post that her church made listing countries that have high christian intolerance so christians should think twice about viaiting or travelling to and China was included. And anyone who searchs "Persecution of christians in China" can see it's true. Sadly every country has religions that are more accepted than others. Thing is, most foreigners chose to just hate on her instead of searching for the true so most people who aren't brazilian who watched the show still think she's all those things I mentioned when she isn't.
@@hyuncute Samara was a victim of fake news saying she was anti-indian, anti-chinese, zionist, islamophobic, extremist christian and pro-war. She liked things on Tik Tok and Instagram that people who don't even speak portuguese took out of context. The video she liked about the conflict in Gaza wasn't taking Israel's side, just explaining why the war is happening with reliable information and context. The videos she liked about the bible were because she is a protestant christian, but it wasn't anything intolerant to other religions, conspirationist or fundamentalist. Brasil has more than 80% of its population being christian and most people practice the religion actively. She liked on Instagram a post that her church was listing countries that christians should think twice about visiting or travelling to because they have high christian intolerance and China was mentioned and sadly all countries have religions who are more accepted than others, just search "Persecution of christians in China". And about the videos about India street food, Brasil is the cleanest people in the world. The average brazilian takes three or more showers a day. So joking about other countries being unhygienic is common in Brasil. It's nothing personal against India, we do these jokes with europe too, specially France, we say they invent the best perfumes in the world to hide the fact that they are smelly because they don't shower. But most gringos engage on it(like Paul Cabannes, a french comedian based in Brasil, he jokes about not being clean all the time) because we joke about it in a respectful way. We don't mean any harm, because we know It's a real problem in some places in the world(including some regions in Brasil) but brazilians are the type of people that would make fun about our problems because it makes them easier to bare. The infamous "Rir para não chorar"("Laughing not to cry"), we say. Also both Lara and Ezrela seemed to still be friends with her, which they wouldn't if she really had something against indians.
Yall forget that they cut a lot of things no shade
they should have cut the whole documentary and not released it
I know people are saying Manon was stressed or something, but speaking from personal experience I can totally understand the other girls and it’s impossible to not feel frustrated when people don’t show up to team meetings, especially if they’re the one that need it the most.
their frustration was very understandable
Yes, but why take it out on Manon???. It was up to management to set the ground rules and uphold them. They didn’t reprimand Manon for not attending training sessions and by not doing so they set up this resentment. Cos the girls wouldn’t have been mean to Manon if she only missed a couple of sessions due to illness. Fact is they allowed Manon not to attend the training sessions and so she thought it was okay.
I liked the documentary because its pretty honest. I think people are so used to perfection when it comes to kpop groups that they forget that they are nornal people that get frustrated and mad like any other person.
i agree, but it is one thing to show the imperfections of your team and another to show how they face each other personally, especially considering that people are going to choose sides and whichever side they choose will hurt you because both sides ended up making their debuts :((
Same. I like that the documentary didn't shy away from the stress of the industry.
I've had female colleagues in the past that were horrible to work with. They come to work late, miss out meetings, often called in sick, and sometimes down right irresponsible and an unreliable team mate. But they never get fired because they're very pretty and always dressed up well, so a lot of managers like them and let these pretty girls get away with everything. So unfortunately, having good looks really does help you get ahead in life, even if you're not working as hard as others may have.
After watching the documentary i think Manon doesn't deserve to be there. Her work ethic and respect to the group was non-existant from the start and it was obvious she was an industry plant from the start and it's unfair to the girls who worked so hard to be there.
🤷🏻♀️ but now she's on the group, so i don't think hating on her is right 😭
@@hyuncute i don't think it's hating when it was her actions to begin with. I'm just literally mentioning manon's actions and attitude in the documentary. The real haters are the one bashing the other members for telling her off of her own actions. Like, it was truly unfair for the girls and it was right for them to voice that out. Anyone in that situation would be frustrated on mason's actions. I know you will be if it happened to you.
And yeah, of course manon will be in the group regardless if she puts in more effort and dedication or not unlike the other girls because she's an industry plant.
@@salem444-s9o It is hating because you're being childish as hell. She missed a few practices, then what did she do? She started working just as hard as everyone else and rapidly improved, so you can't say she doesn't deserve her spot and you can't act like she got in by just sitting on her ass you wierdo.
Girls frustration is completely understandable. I'm glad the girls spoke about it.
same 🤷🏻♀️
MANON HAD COVID WHEN SHE SKIPPED CLASSES THIS WAS IN 2021
Where did you get that information from?
@@hyuncuteevb knows this. It's public info you can find on the net💀
It's all over twitter and every social media discussing the contest, so why are you so critical about this information? But quick to believe Manon is lazy, when Song himself (the judge of the show) said Manon was the most improved. 🤔
Lazy while being most improved lol, I guess that shows how naturally talented Manon is
@@hyuncuteIt was in the docu
@@Frenchii91 actually, this is not the true. The first trainees didn't even train in 2021. They started in 2022, to be exact it was in may which was supposed to be Adela's graduation. In april, she was still in school and thought she is about to graduate in May, but they called her in and she dropped out like week before due to the training program. There are literally pictures on her IG with her class in robes in april 2022. Ever since May she is posting from US. As far as I remember, Manon had covid after the mission 1 and that's why she couldn't go to Korea with girls and wasn't at first elimination. In commentary of misson 1, judges are actually talking about that Manon is missing rehearsals and they need to see comitment. Also that is why Manon is isolated during mission 2 announcement. Althogh, it was actually shown in documentary too that she messaged them she had covid before first elimination.
i really like manon but i would have to agree that she didn't do well at all.
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Lexie was about and received a punishment for her skipping habits while manon still in the show with no punishment and all😂😂😂 sounds favoritism to me
it is weird
@@hyuncute what's weird 🤭?
that some people had the rules applied more strictly than others...
You’re wrong because it was mutual between Hybe and Lexie
@@ellarainbow9741 they clearly just hate Manon and barely comprehended what was happening. I'm sure the person watched the documentary to "prove" Manon to be some villain.
Everyone that watched and was smart enough to comprehend what was there would know that Lexie no longer wanted to be there and it was a mutual agreement. Og commenter seems to discard of that FACT.
Star power is super important, I say this all the time, take Britney Spears, she is the queen of pop yet her voice is definitely not the best but Britney just had that star power that captivated you and her songs were Al bangers
She is the princess of Pop. The queen is Madonna
@@lyd2460 I definitely agree to that
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Britney worked her ass off in every choreo and actively made input in her music, videos and choreo. She was passionate about what she did
@@bornarose11 are you saying they are not, have you not seen them perform, girl bye
but also manon she came in real late she didn't have the training as the other girls who was there already they can't say she was holding them back because the girls wasn't doing good even when they had practice for so long it wasn't until she got there they was doing good it's not fair for manon she arrived real late and had to adjust to something that's with anyone if a group of people made friends have a bond and been training for a long time you get thrown in there it will destroy your pride have you thinking you're not good enough her looks saved her bc if she didn't have that they still would had trash talk her it wasn't fair for no one to talk bad about her or be mad be
understanding yall had extra training before her and she don't feel like she fits in she kept saying she shy she don't feel like she good enough and Sophia tried to say manon wasn't taking notes she was the only one you seen with a book taking notes they can't be angry at her at all be angry at the people who brought y'all in and not everyone at once it wasn't her fault at all
I think manon was neither the only one who came late nor the last one to arrive, and it doesn't matter if you don't have any training, even less if you don't show up for classes, no one had it easy
Agreed
Agreed, it's not Manon's fault people choose her, but it is her responsibility to show up for practice and follow the rules all the girls are expected to follow.
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Which she did once she realised how it affected the others and not just her.
I was born and raised and live in Switzerland so I have learned Switzerland is a peaceful country with minimum amount of stress,worry,anger,etc but if I would have come to audition in Korea I would try my best to adapt to Korean culture instead of just trying to make the others adapt to Swiss culture.and honestly,the girls had every right to be upset,manon was doing everything her way tbh.and it wouldn’t be that bad is she skipped 1 class i mean it’s wouldn’t be any form of good but it’s not gonna be that bad ( and I’m not taking manons side in any way rn )
She doesn't represent the whole switzerland but herself. She is just a DIVA herself. I just hope she changes her ways.
i agree 😭
At the end of the day we didn’t see how Manon was behaving in its entirety. The show is heavily biased towards the winners right from the start, of course they’re not going to put Manon in that dark of a light when talking about her since having an idol with a terrible reputation is bad for business.
We don’t know the exact details, but I do agree with those saying that watching someone be hand picked (not having to audition) break so many rules she was kicked out and then not go to practices often, then blame it all on her work ethic and how she isn’t used to it only for someone like that to win over girls who have busted their asses in performing arts for up to a decade was quite frustrating, and doesn’t paint the group in THAT good of a light, but hiding the rule breaking and the way she’d behave (apparently she had an attitude problem) is slightly better, I guess?
obviously they cut things, but I feel they should have cut that drama because in the end it hurts everyone, both those who didn't make their debuts and those who did
Fans will always have their favourites. Thats not Manon's fault
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Important life lesson for everybody: Life is not fair and success is not necessarily the product of hard work. But its understandable that this comes as a shock to the young women after having been told for over a year: "You have to work harder, you have to put in the work." Its the same lie people everywhere have been told for years.
I get that. It’s not enough to just say “life isn’t fair” and move on. It’s important to address the issues and find ways to improve or change things.
@@hyuncute what the girls on the show experienced is something that people everywhere in the workplace experience: they put in the hard work, but someone who is liked better by more people and with more luck gets the promotion. Difficult to change that, the rules are not really the rules. But yes, its terrible the way the production lied to the girls and used them all. Its completely unethical.
I can 100% understand why the other girls were frustrated. But also we don't know what could have been going on with Manon behind closed doors, as far as her personal life. For all we know she could have been going through something awful so we can't just assume she wasn't showing up to rehearsal because she didn't feel like it. She could have had something going on in her personal life and still continued to push through. At the end of the day we don't know these people personally and I don't think the other girls should have spoken about it publicly.
I seriously can’t see Sophia and Lara the same anymore 😢
Manon is talented, but she wasn’t dedicating herself. She missed because she was sick and her mental health (she felt inadequate to the others because she started out with a low skill set and zero prior training) not to mention the cultural difference. And no one asked her why she wasn’t there, they just assumed she was lazy and ran with it. She’s a hard worker, she’s talented, and it’s ridiculous. She isn’t favorited in any respect ppl behind the scenes literally sabotaged her image throughout dream academy.
I understand where the other girls are coming from but they should’ve blamed the system they were under not Manon who was just another contestant and had zero to do with the voting system like bffr
Same but I'm relearning to love them. I really don't want to project my unfinished business from the past with similar experiences onto them. I just really wish they had dealt with the issue better and sooner rather than later. Rather than laughing, giving dirty looks and throwing shade at Manon. The girls were so vocal to the camera they had so much potential with resolving the issue on their own without it going down how it did.
I won't dismiss their feelings however I do believe it would be unfair to dismiss Manon's change at the end and her eventually calling everyone for a talk. Though it was supposed to be either the other way around or be issued by the companies training them.
Why Sophia and Lara are being true to their feelings, I can't blame them it's manon who keep doing her own thing making trips on her own that's why she's not in some of their TikToks
@maneater3491 so their true feelings were giving her dirty looks and talking about her behind her back? Villifying her as if she's the main problem? They needed to get a grip
I actually have a newfound appreciation and respect for both of these girls for being the voice of reason when hybe themselves won’t do their job of talking to Manon and reprimanding her. They question why even confront her when they’re both on the top of the class… simple, to address their concerns and frustrations when nobody else have the guts to do so
Y’all cannot be serious did you watch ep 7 Sophia was so nice to her there Manon missed practices, break curfews etc I agree they shouldn’t be isolating her but they’re feelings are valid
I like how people are acting like all the girls did not talk things out and resolved the conflict, this is the group they have proven that they are talented, now get over it, bunch of drama queens making videos for what ???🤦♀️
0:33 have you even stopped to watch the first minute of the video? watch it 0:33 what did i say?
@@hyuncute watched the whole thing, my point still stands
I don’t know if anyone agrees with this, but this is a first time kpop training in an international setting with a team that is foreign to this type of work. And for young trainees that train for 12 hours a day, you’re away from family, you don’t even know if you’re gonna make it into a group, and constantly evaluated, that’s a lot of stress and anxiety to go through. This is a whole other level of physical, mental, emotional fortitude to deal with a young age and I think they handle it very well. Honestly it gave me more respect because this makes making the band 3 look like child play and they were already grown adults.
i don't know if it's the first time, if i'm not wrong groups like niziu, vcha or xg also followed that training 😪
To be honest this group isn't really a K-Pop group it feels like they're just in a K-pop label because K-pop is supposed to be Korean pop it's literally in the name. And there's only one Korean girl.
global groups released by kpop companies can never not be associated with k-pop, because they are kinda directed to kpop fans
@@hyuncute but global groups like XG dont have Korean songs, so how could they called Kpop if they don't have korean songs?
guys… just. don’t hate on them. they deserve better and it wasn’t their choice on being katseye, they got picked for it. and it wasn’t even manons choice to be in there. she was scouted out
It's hard to train with covid. Recovery takes time. They all whined too much about her absence. Anyway, the fans chose Manon to be in the group. That's life. I'm happy she's there. Yo, time to move on people.
okay??
All this situation is soo damn stupid i mean she debuted that's the most important part and sryy but never expected that Sophia would talked behind Manon's back i mean its such a weird thing but anyway manon still my fav even if y'all are hating on her she's pretty and talented the other members too and how could I forget all the nonsense adela said 😂. and how could be manon's fault if you had being eliminated like wthh😂😂
yeah idk why all this was released tbh
They are in a group meeting with the therapist which is a safe space for them to air out their frustrations, I didn’t see that as talking behind her back, and as you heard from her, she, as the appointed leader at the time, spoke to Manon numerous times already but she just go about her ways. Also maybe if she would just show up, they would’ve talked to her earlier…I think I just resonate more on the girls who were working their butt off and never got credit for it, coz they don’t consider them as “the standard”
@@Riei143 she didn't speak to Manon. Manon spoke to her. Sophia might've had that leader quality from the start but she did lack the ability/skill to lead a resolution. Manon found comfort in approaching Sophia and telling her she was upset they kept on saying things behind her back and instead of laying everything out in that moment she kept quiet and saved it for the therapy session.
And the girls were always credited for their talents and skills. Just not by the public accordingly.
@@nandi_m04Nope. In the therapy footage, Sophia said Manon knows they’re frustrated and that they’ve talked about it. You should rewatch it.
Manon just having her happy life doing modeling having simple career of her own then there is hybe Dm her and put her in a very competitive world 😅 now she is being the center of the drama 😂 wow nice
I Hope Adela is ok. What they did to her was unacceptable and she was really an amazing talent and leader to the other girls
i think she is fine now, she's debuting solo! ⭐️
There are faults on both sides. On Manon’s for not attending some training sessions and also on Lara and Sophia for how mean they were behind her back. The fact is they’ve all made up and the fans need to stop the hate. I see so much hate from Lara fans, from Sophia fans, from Emily fans, from Adela fans…. all against Manon. So I’m not sure why people get mad when Manon fans do the same. The toxic fans need to stop and it’s fans of all the girls.
at the end of the day though whatever it is Manon does her job and she does it well period.
Girl with the pink hair stick out to me too. she should’ve made the line up
sameeee 🥹🫶🏻
honestly my fav is manon in the group
that's cool! 🫶🏻
Mine too. It always baffles me when people say she shouldn’t have been in the group. Manon’s the main talking point on almost all posts about this group, the Execs aren’t dumb. All the girls are beautiful and talented, but it’s rare to have the elusive ‘it’ factor, they definitely weren’t going to let Manon get away 😂
the truth or possible truth is that it wasn't supposed to be Manon. Because of the lies and fake news about Samara, her winrate went up a lot and the company didn't want to include her in the group, and this wasn't even commented on in the documentary. Adéla would possibly join the group if it weren't for KPop fans wanting to remove her because of her age. Not counting ILLYA and others. If I were to make a controversial documentary, I would even talk about Lexie and Ezrela.
I'm sorry, Manon, it's not because I hate you, but you're only there because your TikTok fans and your fight in the final gave you a free pass.
I can't lie if im being real in life visuals do matter im not saying it is right for any idol to get voted just because they have visuals but the thing is thats reality things like this do happen and its not fair. Like this video says, manon shouldn't be blamed for being voted, but as the video says, the girls have every right to be angry. Fan voting, in my opinion, is not very fair, but that's the reality of the kpop industry and how the company chooses to do thing's
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honestly I know that I should stay neutral , but I really felt like Adela gave bully/biatch. Adela is a gorgeous girl but some people see far deeper into your soul and the way she talked manon before the actual show even started shows how quick karma is . And Manon was NEVER there when she would say something.
you don't need to stay neutral 😭 thanks for your opinions 💗💗
hybe and everything under hybe is never been fair
say it
Me while watching this : 👁️👄👁️
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t’as totalement raison ❤
mercii 🫶🏻
Also I don’t think people understand the power dynamics, the girls can’t just go to the ceo and be like “Manson doesn’t show up you should kick her out “ becuase that will seem opinionated and crossing a line and the girls also know that the company was fully behind Manon , even their head coach said she wouldn’t put manon in the group, that should’ve put her on the chopping block but she was protected, these aren’t manon’s fault but it just makes it clear that the girl couldn’t complain the ceo and had to talk about it amongs themselves
then why not blame the company??? yes manon was in the wrong but the company was too and so were the girls just a little bit, everyone could've handled the situation differently. why is it manons fault the company scouted her and she didn't audition? it's not her fault at all that the company just threw her into a game and she didn't know how to play and it's also not her fault the company played favorites. everyone is improving now, and if the ACTUAL members can move on why can't other people 😭
Not mistreated, she was lazy and the others were frustrated 🤦♀️
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She was sick with Covid, do black woman not deserve empathy and always have to be soul crushing strong? She was not the only one that missed practice so why is she the only one you are criticizing 🤔🤔
@@hyuncuteso you also think Manon is lazy? Why? They also said she was the most improved, so how does that translate to being lazy while having COVID???
The two don't add up......
@@hyuncute lol y’all are just being hateful. She literally improved a lot
@@Frenchii91 it wasn’t just Covid, she also took a lot of time off for no apparently reason. Let’s not make this about race
ofc we had trainees who had more passion and dedication towards the program. manon was chill throughout the program. she gave an idc vibe, maybe cause she knew they were gonna debut her anyways. people like adela, emily, ezrela and others always worked hard and improved sm. dedication goes a long way. people like manon generally quit early cause they don't have that. i think many other girls on the program deserved that position. also i think yoonchae wasn't it either. if they HAD to debut a korean member, nayoung was it. but okay, lets applaud unfairness.
do you all not remember Samara would have been picked as the last member if she wasn't exposed
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wait what. what'd she do i genuinely forgot
Frankly, fans have been grossing me out with this shit. All of them were wrong. Manon was wrong in the beginning and it made the girls fustrated HOWEVER, you can be fustrated and NOT resort to social outcasting and talking behind someone's back, and you especially don't get to blame them for being liked or picked. Sophia literally tried to portray Manon as wrong for being upset the girls were talking shit about her behind her back because OTHER PEOPLE liked her.
Ya'll really need to check yourselves because you're /acting/ like you have some emotional intelligence by saying you understand why they are fustrated, only to promptly prove you don't because you clearly can't recognize borderline bullying.
Manon was in the group from she joined the program, sorry😂
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I have a weird feeling that the girls were already pre selected and the whole survival portion was just to make a show out of it.
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An Unbiased Analysis of Manon in KATSEYE.
1: Yes, she is benefiting from pretty privilege. Why? Because she was already popular on social media and that is needed to sell an image and music in KPop. Every Kpop group has an ultra pretty group member. Unfortunately, that comes with some unfair privileges. The label knows that removing Manon will literally end the group. It's up to Manon to choose how she will wield this power. Only time will tell.
2: Yes, she missed a lot of practices, which left the other group members floundering. She has since acknowledged her indiscretions and apologized. She was mature enough to address the group face to face with this. They have since moved on, and you should, too.
3. Her talents ARE being downplayed. Only two members of this group can really sing. The rest, including Manon, can barely carry a tune. Especially when singing live. Kpop has never and will never be about great singing. Every single girl in this group can dance. Including Manon. As long as you can follow choreography well, you can dance. Raw dancing talent comes out when you can dance without choreography, which is not required nor needed in a K-pop group.
3: Is her being placed in the back for most of Debut's routine, petty punishment, or racist? Maybe. I think we can all admit that 6-member formations are difficult. The best way to fix this is to hire a choreographer who has experience with large formations, like Paris Goebel. Whomever they are using and whoever approved it is at fault. This still doesn't excuse why Manon is hidden throughout the routine. It is very possible that the choreographer did this purposely because she doesn't like Manon. Maybe for making her adjust her routines so often during her absences, or because she doesn't like pretty girls, or because she's Black. Who knows? The best solution to this problem is to get a better choreographer.
they did live vocals in their practice, and only Sophia sounded the same, so who are your 2/6 bc although the others didn't sound the same, their voices were very stable
I agree with you for the most part but I think the girls each have decent voices. Lara's voice stands out the most, to me, but I do like the other members' voices.
Actually, I think they put her in the back because her movement in formations is still mediocre and her moves are a bit stagnant. I noticed it a lot during the debut performances. She’s just not on the same level as the other girls right now, but with time, she’ll get there.
Fair and in depth analysis🌟
They are just jelous because they feel like she isn't qualified and she has it easy. She is the chosen one that's it that is why they resent her it's jealousy and that's an ugly trate and it's showing on thier faces
Katseye deserves justice
i mean it should be enough that Manon was fortunate to not undergo the process but atleast put in some work and dont be so high up and all too entitled... like with BINI, Aiah came from another industry but still put in effort and work so she was generally accepetd by blooms
I think there are a lot of things that have been cut in the documentary. We don’t really see Manon explaining why she acted like that. She was fully aware of what she got into. She said that she was impressed and feeling bad when she saw how skilled the other girls were. Maybe they wanted to create animosity between the girls and a kind of hate
yeah that's why I'm saying hybe is the one who is to blame firstly 😭
Damn hybe really is not doing things properly
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Nobody mistreated that girl
Yes. Lara and Sophia were mean and spoke behind her back. I’m not saying she wasn’t at fault for missing some training sessions, but that’s no excuse for how the girls channeled their frustrations. If anything they should have taken it out on management, not on Manon.
That's is what going to happened if a company/ hybe push for having x factor over talent the artist will receive tons of hate 😂😂😂❤
I think Katseye works because of how strong the good members are but it kinda feels like the good members are working extra hard to cover for Manon’s shortcomings and the execs just hoped for the love from Manon’s already built up fans from social media which is giving manipulation of fans and the hardworking members like Sophia and Lara😅 but hey any press is good press and visuals rule the K-pop system right :/
I may be weird... Manon is good looking but not appealing to me... haven't even caught my eyes till this vid got into my recommendations
Here is my only complaint, and it is not based on the girls but the FANDOM itself. You can critique Manon all you want, but to bring anti blackness into the conversation is ridiculous. In the media black people cannot be critiqued without racism being brought up. Talk about her pretty privilege, and her “lack of dedication” (I don’t agree with that but some people say that.)
Why do you guys pick and choose when to associate katseye with kpop. They are a global girl group that use the (kpop method) to train and debut the group. NOT TO BE A KPOP GROUP. The same courtesies are not mandatory. If manon has been favored in anyway be it that she has money or beauty or whatever her connection to the company previously, take it as a reflection of the industry. Not of manon. If you are not required to give your blood sweat and tears, as unfair as that may sound why would she. If she was scouted rather than selected from audition tapes she is already under contract and therefore can negotiate the terms of such. I don’t think fairness has anything to do with it and while there are many talented girls who deserve the shot if manon is who they are looking for so be it
Happening ≠ happened
To be honest the girls have already moved on from
This drama some channels just like this one just like to milk nothing for some clout
Gosh, you people should watch shows like this in Korea. For me, i feel in dream academy the coaches are being too careful or almost babying the participants. While in Korea, the ahow is more brutal in my opinion.
some coaches are definitely harsher than others, just watch the produce series, some of the coaches went HARD
Manon has star quality and she's doing her thing greatly. The other girls were bothered and should've known there's no fairness on tv shows!
they have the right to express their opinions 🤭
@@hyuncuteAnd Manon has the right to put her mental health first, while also keeping up with the girls even though she had no prior training 😉😉
@@hyuncute did I say otherwise?
I hope they are happy now - she gets no lines, is always in the back- and receives racism
no one is happy for that?
There are six members so it’s a bit challenging to create a formation to create a center and it isn’t always Manon who was in the back even the other members
@@eliwatchdarkmodeThere are groups with 6 members that ensure ALL members are seen, though💀
Theyre not happy yet. Once shes removed completely, they'll be happy. They dont want to see her in the group at all.
@@princess555o4 are you them? Stfu.
Missy did even say that she doesn't want Manon to be in the group bcoz of her being irresponsible.
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Son Sung Deuk is BTS dance director (since BTS debut), and he said Manon has impressed him and was most improved. I would prefer Sung's professionally advice any day of the week 🤣🤣🤣
any eyekons here
Yes I think you and your culture are wrong for not admitting that the way Manon was introduct to the project could be considered as unfair if we follow your logic, so then it continue to be unfair to say that she get less involved, while she also preserve the others participants to get sick from covid at the time. I just think she was wise enough to don’t get accessible to the others concurrents while they could make her feel insecure as Lara, looking so into her at the beginning, admit during the survival process… and compromise her moral state and her chances of being part of the group. I see how they like to say how much weaker she is in dancing and singing than the others is really far from truth…. she would have had no chance if that was the case, let’s be real😂😊
Manon wasn't the last one to join the competition, so other members had even worse situations, and yet they kept moving forward. What is criticized about Manon is not her situation, but her attitude. I would like you to tell me your ranking of the Katseye girls in terms of dance and vocals. The problem is not whether she's the least talented or not, but how she compromised the whole team with her decisions.
@@hyuncute thanks for taking the time to answer and debate with me. however your perspective is more than exaggeratly subjective. The truth is that if she did not have her place within the group for an attitude problem or other, she would have simply been humiliated like the first one who was fired for her mistake. the responsibility for the difficulties encountered by the girls due to Manon's absence lies with the Dream team, Manon didn't have this decisional power, plus she was sick and even doubted having her chances. Now why ask me my ranking if the debate does not turn on the fact that she is by far the least talented. Since it must be remembered that the jury of the Dream team was far from being choirboys or Care bears who select for a pretty little face. the goal remaining to have the best girls in a perspective of international identification with K-Pop. But in my ranking in relation to vocal and dance qualities I rank Manon 3rd, especially for a girl who was neither a singer nor a dancer at the start.
Stop this nonsense assumptions 😂😂 we all have this kind of situation when it comes to a new mutuals very awkward,
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this my opion i dont think the members hate on manon and yes she might have done somethings that are not fair but i dont think that she is unliked i just think she can improve a bit and also i have seen clips of all the members and too me it seems like they all like eachother and care for eachother and i hope they do i personally do really like this group and i dont want the same thing that happened with lea an ex member of Blackswan to happen with this group . this is my personal view and am hosntely neutral and i think this group could make it big but hybe wants something very specific and is using newjeans and all there groups to their advantage enhypen has not rested at all during there promitons of their new ablum and they are most likely gonna do the same with all the other groups in hybe. instead of blaming the idol blame the company and i know idols make mistakes and they should own them but everytime an idol is in hot water people always attack them and thats just worng. (SORRY FOR THE BAD GAMMMER)
yeah hybe is really bad 😭😭
You making a whole video about manon and the netflix documentary is the reason why Hybe chose her. She's giving engagement, clout...She's a STAR
That depends, is all advertising good advertising?
what did she do to everybody nothing but they all hate her why ?😔😌🤔
people hate on every member of the group 🤷🏻♀️😭
Yall need to understand also HYBE has always made there idols painted as the villain in documentaries. Who cares who got what its nothing new they debuted and living there life idc anymore. We need to stop assuming things yk? What if she took weeks off because of mental health family issues etc. I get it commitment is everything but jst bc she is pretty dont mean its her FAULT for being pretty. Just another story a different Face.
Absolutely, the primary fault lies with HYBE for not knowing how to produce documentaries effectively, but viewers also have the right to express their opinions about what they see. Constructive feedback is important for improving content and making sure it resonates with the audience.
@@hyuncute they dont know how to stop- U should make a video on hybe ruining there idols and the doc sitch because NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT Like how Yunjin went from an Opera singer to a girl not in her range
How can i watch documentary ?
Which app and voice did you use for the ending outro?
in capcut ans the name is Tina! 🥰
@@hyuncutethankyouu
@@hyuncutebtw is it text to speech?
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@@hyuncutesorry to bother you again but could you tell me in which section or smtg cuz I can’t find it and sorry for bothering you again
Slovak are literally white people? What is she talking about that’s she’s not represented? People of color are never represented why do you think it’s called people OF COLOR! White people regardless of background are held at the highest standard it was a perfect idea for the show to make the audience pick what they feel most connected to culturally it wasn’t visually. If people want to talk about visuals why is wonyoung the main standard in Korea and around the world???? It definitely isn’t talent she isn’t know for her dancing ,she isn’t known for her singing??? She’s known for her visuals period. The same people complaining about the first voting system are the same people who would die for wonyoung. Don’t you ever think why the people who debuted, debuted. The people voting and constantly routing for them were people of color. We people of color are dying for representation! We are constantly pressed into thinking white is the standard why do you think the only non Asian race that is constantly praised are white people. Simply because they are white not because their attractive it’s because their white. So if your gonna complain about the voting maybe you white people should have been like the other fans who are dying for representation and voted consistently but guess what you didn’t, you guys are always represented regardless so that was the result.
As for the Manon situation of her not putting in the work, Totally understandable but people chose her. Not because of her visuals because let’s be real she pretty but she’s still a person of color she isn’t the world standard. So saying people are voting for her because she’s pretty is just ignorant especially coming out of a white girl. The Filipina girl when spoken about the situation explained thoroughly about the issue and didn’t bring up “pretty”. So what came out of the white girls mouth was extremely disrespectful and ignorant.
Manon is pretty but for me it’s all about talent and aura like LARA.im definitely not defending her, but im not going to just sit here and listen to a white girl of calling it unfair when life has always been fair to white people all over the world.
@@Mokawoobut people were initially voting for her just cuz she was pretty 💀
she literally said “Americans” VS “Slovaks”, not “black/white/brown/“…. why are you making her comment about race 😵💫
@@zzyoluvssunless YOU personally voted voted for HER because of her visuals than yes I’ll agree with you. But if you didn’t then shut up you don’t know what was going through these people’s minds unless your Charles Xavier from X-men. Assuming people (opinion not a fact) voted for her because of visuals that makes YOU look JELOUS of manon why else would you be mad about her being voted unless you stated YOURSELF she’s pretty (fact)and accuse her fans of pretty voting (opinion) when your NOT HER FANS NOR LIVE IN THESE PEOPLES MINDS
Every year I dislike HYBE more and more. Seriously, what are they doing to the company? Scandals with le sserafim, New Jeans, Adore, Illit, etc. Hybe has become a circus. Even the latest scandal with Yoongi. What the hell is going on there? Can't they find normal PR's? Although, it feels like they need to change all the employees involved in all this. Like, why all these documentaries? We watch documentary videos of idols suffering and going through countless difficulties, etc. And why do we need this? Do they want to make us empathize with them and follow their activities through pity? This is already starting to annoy 🙄😤
tehy definetly don't know how to make documentaries, and it's so obvious why the general public doesn't like it, I don't understand how they have trouble seeing that what they've done is wrong.
so is she bad or good?
it depends
@@hyuncute ok so it’s to like her right?
Good but due to stressful situations bad. Like her if you want, she isn't the only person who missed practice a lot of them did but when it turned to a solo competition that's when it turned bad to other's.
@@mithu2005you can like whoever you want, no matter of there good or bad. Manon has probably changed sense then, and the other members seem close with her.
@@Rosie_Games_With_Pandas ok
She should have quit just for just a little decency
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I see all of their perspectives honestly. Also made a similar video, y'all should check it out ❤
Please don't propagate a lie, because, a teenager lied to you to cover her laziness.
Switzerland is a hard worker country. Probably more than american.
Manon should be fully accountable for her action, and lying by blaming a country that most people don't know.
that's the excuse some people are giving, and as I understand it, Switzerland is a rather permissive country when it comes to skipping classes for mental health.
She took a break! Everyone takes a break! All of you are mad weird!
If this is what you want, people will throw hate at other members so i will this, manon are always late even now that she's in katseye she's having her own trip that's why she's not in some TikToks that the girls were posting😊 and shes dark they don't have some proper etiquette when it comes to work being professional is not their thing
See, that’s the racism that everyone is talking about. Because what do you mean “and she’s dark so of course they don’t show up for work because they don’t have professionalism” or whatever the fuck you said ????? she’s not even dark, she’s light. You must mean just because she’s black, and that black people don’t know how to be professional and work. 🙄 But yet im pretty sure you don’t know that the WHOLEEE kpop music industry literally THRIVESS off of black people and black culture. you people disgust me
This is why solo stans will only destroy the whole group's career🙄 if only that one person didn't posted a specific clip their will be no controversies probably. People who didn't watch the show just indulged and cursed even if they didn't know the full reason.
“And she’s dark, they don’t have prosper etiquette… when it comes to work being professional is not “their” thing”
Thanks for being loud with your racism there. Please tell the audience more how you feel about black people & our work ethic. Please do continue to invalidate your opinion by being a racist. Go ahead.
@@maneater3491 now you're being racist. A disgrace to society and this fandom
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Thank you for the update!
The biggest question is: why was Manon allowed to get away with repeatedly and flagrantly breaking the rules?
As for releasing this drama several years after the conflict has presumably been resolved ...
There are entertainment companies that measure success in terms of how much social media engagement there is - regardless of how negative it may be.
I really enjoyed their debut!
Thank you for the video! 🙏😎🦩🌺✨
I don't know, also other members of the programme also broke some of the rules, some more serious and others more minor, in fact a girl was removed from the show because she uploaded multimedia from the programme when it had not been revealed.
@@hyuncute well, she was removed because technically that's a legal issue. And realistically they can't exactly show everything that happened in a 6 episodes docuseries. Some of the rule breaking may have been addressed off camera
I think that they really wanted Manon to be part of the group. They scouted her and invested extra money to have her in the show compared to the other girls. She has a major role in the Art Film and she sings the last line in "Buttons", "Dirty Water", "All The Same" and "Break Free". Coincidence? I don't think so. I don't want to discredit her but it is blatant that she was not mistreated at all and was treated like the princess she is (her charm is a tiara). So I can understand why the girls reacted like that. Before watching the documentary, of course I didn't know all of that and I couldn't tell that she has less experience than the other girls!! I also really wanted her in the group because of her voice. She is very talented and 100% deserves to be in KATSEYE.
@@minhoudaho2357 yup and she's the cause of delay
It hasn’t been several years….. fact check yourself friend. Quickly.