Who Really Got Bin Laden?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Investigative journalist Matthew Cole tells us about "Red", the real DEVGRU Operator who killed Bin Laden.
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In my opinion, we are still lucky that this mission was assigned to Devgru so we can hear these stories. Imagine if it's Delta, we might not hear anything.
This really should have been assigned to delta but I think with 6’s overall popularity and at that point being a household name it was the easier choice of the two. Delta still isn’t recognized as an official piece of the military. We needed it to be a public thing and let’s face it Obama needed it for his re election campaign. I didn’t vote for him but I don’t blame him for using it. I would have too.
@@NJTransit1985 isn't delta part of the army.
@@niweshlekhak9646 yeah it's army special forces operational detachment delta.
@@NJTransit1985 Well of course there is politics, i don't believe that Obama was the one who decided to give this mission to Devgru, I think it was a choice made by the commander of JSOC at the time Admiral McCraven who was a seal.
@@MrAye2010 I totally thought that it was the type and nature of the operation as to why SEAL Team 6 was chosen over Delta. Not because they were better than Delta, but because the type of mission suited their ops better. But, you bring up an interesting point. McCraven was commander of JSOC, until the end of August, 2011.
Matt Bissonette stated these same facts on Jack Carrs show a couple months ago, in his book he also stated that he, himself was the 2nd guy in the stack and the point man killed UBL, in Jack Carrs show he called the man Red, he stated he was still in the Navy tho, and said he will never come out and take credit.
Have big respect for Matt Bissonette. I think it was Peter Bergen or Sean Naylor (can't remember who) also said he spoke to a number of Command guys who said the pointman was the one who actually dropped Bin Laden.
Bill Rapier.
@@billedwards735 Negative, Bissonette said he was still in, Cole said he just got out, Rapier retired 8 years ago, he was there, but hes not Red.
@@hook3427 rapier was on that mission?
Yes. Andy Stumpf addresses the raid in his podcast with Rapier
Why never hear from Red?
How so sure he’ll never talk?
This Red guy sounds like a true quiet professional.
Red isn’t a nickname, it’s a term used to describe the point man or the man first in line leading the assault into the building or in this case up the stairs
He's right....Red is out living...not the best life, but a good life and He's not talking. The only thing he's EVER said is that those who are out there sharing stories are doing just that...telling stories. Red has absolutely earned his quiet life.
This guy is a scumbag. He burned a CIA agent, also.
Every seal on that mission is responsible for the killing of UBL. It was 100% a team effort and could not be done by 1 man
acting like kids. I got him. No I got him I was 1st. This is the new seal teams. Back in the day we wouldnt know who did it they would have said military and left it at that. Shit in the 90's you barley heard about Seals
Yeah that would be a professional approach... lol
The guy who laughed and called the effort a ...”...would be...” a professional effort, and otherwise threw stones at what happened, can FOAD.
Bingo.
@@jesseolson3142 in 90s we weren't in the middle of a 20 year war
Comments section is always pretty bad, but most of this sounds like cosplayers presenting their fanfic at Alphacon.
Lmao
Kidney failure got bin laden. No fresh blood or dialysis. You are an old over the hill man. You are weak. You are not an alpha , maybe you were about 20 years ago but age got you by your blad head. Talk tough on the internet where you are safe 🥶
Hahahahhahhaha
Surprised baldo and Sally aren't wearing shorts. You do realize that Tscheky burned an honest CIA ahent, Johnny K .... right?
I'm just glad those guys all made it home that night, the mission was a success!
There was basically no threat at all. Just 2 armed civilians and lots of unarmed women and children
Reminiscent - the silent professional part - in Mark Bowden's book on Somalia, of the Delta operator who went back into the city shorly after arriving at the Pakistani stadium to locate the dead pilots and crew, pretending to be a journalist, IIRC. Bowden, or his sources, were adamant he would never speak in public.
Sargent Major John Macejunas, no he's never spoken out, but it's well known who he is, the character Hoot was loosely based on him in the movie, I don't think I spelled his last name right, I do apologize for that, been a long time since I saw it spelled out.
Went back and checked, "Master Sergeant John G. Macejunas, a Delta Force noncommissioned officer who led numerous rescue efforts to locate missing helicopter personnel." Received the distinguished service cross for his actions in Mogadishu.
@@johnbeavers6497 Master Sargent Norman Hooten is "Hoot".
@@johnbeavers6497 You spelled it correctly. I've always wanted to read more about him.
Neither would the Ranger Medics talk about what happened Oct.3rd
as that guy in that band said, " in the end it doesn't even matter."
R.I.P. Chester
Rob took his story as far as claiming that Bin Laden was still standing up when he entered the room. That he thought to himself (paraphrased) 'It struck me how tall and skinny he was, but I recognized him immediately'
he said he lucked out by being man 1 Red says he was man 4....idk
I think Red was the guy before him who jumped on the potential explosive. A hero, yes. The guy who shot UBL? Nah, that was Rob.
@@RocksNRuts4 Rob said he was man 2 in the room, it was just him and Red initially. The rest is hearsay.
@@HappyG1lm0re i heard HIM say he was man 4...idk
@@HappyG1lm0re behind him? no the point man grabbed the wife n kids for a possible S vest, man2 wouldnt have done that
This interview was great. I am deep into the book now and it's very well done. Both are super informative. Lots of new reporting.
Me too, after the interview, I had to buy the book!
"the "inertia" of team dynamics is just that; it does not have, at "core", nor state an individual's "name' on/of action".
@@nexpro6118 you have no "idea" where i was or was "not" in may.2011; those are principles "before" facts, but better yet;
listen to a man (o'neill) that constantly "brags" on TY; how many free "drinks" he gets in (domestic) airports because he (o'neil) is "so" recognizable. he even stated once it was ten (10) guys buying "him" drinks at one airport.
wow. "impressive".
that is the "epidemy" of sunshine on a (dark) shadow of "information".
i will give you "a" hint: i was in afghanistan.
@@nexpro6118 you got it YT "warrior". remember those (o'neil) that "talk" (overtly) the most and often... .that is not how "missions" are not accomplished.
lets "end" this here for sanity and our "nation". since mr. o'neil is such a known "rockstar" in a business not of (overt) rockstars (tiers).
so;if you see him in the airport one day; take a number and "wait" to buy him drinks at the bar for mr. "look" at me. since he has stated, numerous times, how many people offer to "buy" him drinks during travel/appearances.
with a few in him; he will tell you how "important" he and himself is to our naiton..
This book is total bs. If Rob O'Neill's story and assertions were not true, the Pentagon would not have let him publish his book. Admiral mcraven and others in the SEAL teams would have come out and said Rob was not truthful. None of that happened. Rob O'Neill killed bin laden.
The Red guy is a great role model
A delta exchange maybe
I appreciate Matthews last comment. We must be perceptive and well minded when we experience things like this. The sobriety of our appetites keeps the health of our nations. And we owe our nations the support of people like him who seek fundamental truth.
RED is probably totally fine with the other guys telling the story. He probably just doesn’t want the attention on him.
Pretty impressive in this day and age
He is a professional, and honestly every SEAL in that house that night equally killed bin laden. It’s egotistic for any one man to claim credit.
He will never say he did it but, Bill Rapier.
@@billedwards735 but Bill was out of the Navy for years when Biss said Red was still in, so🤔🤔
@@ObamaFromKenya Of course the guy who doesn’t want to be named is going to be “in the military still”. It was Bill.
There is controversy with every single tier one or spec ops guy who goes public. From Chris Kyles gas station shootout story to Luttrell’s story that Gularb refuted. Now Rob, Bisonnette and god knows who else will come out.
Marcus was never tier one. White side seals don't even fall under SOCOM
In my opinion, Red killed him, but he seems to enjoy privacy and as soon as the world knew what just happened, privacy wasn't an option anymore. So he made a deal or agreement that Rob would take the credit, people stop asking who did it, and Red lives in peace. At least in my mind that's how it probably went. If he really cared for people to know he would tell the world, but he chooses to live in peace and quiet. Respect.
Rob's nickname in DEVGRU is RED
Kidney disease. Dec 15, 2001.
@@CliffVillanueva-sx5qw NSRO
anyone think it’s interesting that it was Red Sqdn that did the op and the shooter’s name is ‘Red’ ? Perhaps the Command’s way of gaining some level of control of the narrative ?? Just a thought.
@@margowalters Kidney disease killed Prince Osama bin laden. SEALS are just acting.
“Cheese” the dog handler said when they got him he asked who got him, and another seal came over the radio and said i think Rob got him. Who knows!
Will Chesney
Seals love to be known, it's cringe. Delta is superior in every category.
If you watched Jack Carr's interview with Mark Owen's he said the guy who shot Binladen will never talk
bothers the fuck out of my Mark got the shit end of the stick with the whole coming out
I laughed when I heard Dale Comstock call Rob O’Neill a turd.
Oh shit!! No he didn’t .. dale is a wild boy
Dale thinks that clown from that survival tv show joe Teti isn’t a liar when he clearly is
Dales kind of clownish in his own way
Dale Comstock shouldn’t be calling anyone that lol. He thinks of himself as a G.I. Joe wannabe lol
I always felt Rob’s story about just after “the shot” where he forgets what to do next and and his teammate says, “get the computers we’ve done this 1000 times” was a fairytale and reeked of false humility.
Rob said it happened the way he described. I find that individuals who want to say it couldn’t have occurred the way it was described are sofa soldiers, good only to keep the anti/gravity gear hidden away from the cushions of the couch!
@@roymoore3156 So I guess Andy Stumpf is a “sofa soldier”.
@@speedbagboxer7451 if he’s saying Rob O’Neil is a liar, then there’s a difference here. I’ll stand with Rob, you can support anyone you wish to. There, ya feel better?
@@roymoore3156 I’m just saying… Andy Stumpf and other ppl all say it wasn’t Rob. That the real shooter wanted to remain anonymous. What’s the truth? I honestly have no idea… n neither do u.
@@speedbagboxer7451 I hope you feel better having the illusion you have an idea...n u do too!
Rob O'Niel is crying right now
Dudes got the loudest mouth, iv been saying it for years he didn’t kill him. The shooter will never tell….
Okay here’s my thread. By most accounts he came in and shot just to say he did and then went so public and loud about it that nobody wanted to say anything. Those guys really do good stuff but for Rob O Neil and Bisonette, it’s not good enough. They want to be known as THE GUY WHO KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN. Even though it was probably the first guy. Seems like it’s just ego.
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis ego and $$
The public will always think of Rob as dude who killed UBL.
He's been credited with it on so many platforms larger than this one!
@@Briguy933 yep been hearing this for years.
it was an actual really funny part in the Book "Code Over Country" while they were training for the bin laden mission apparently Bisonette and Rob O'Neil got in an argument on who was going to sell their story first
I hope someday enough of the actual, official, after-action report can be declassified that we can tie all the different stories together. Seems highly unlikely, but if ever there was one operation that is exceptional, it's this one.
Maybe in 20 years
Delta should've been the ones to do this raid, but then we would never have had all the cool books and major motion pictures. Rob seems like a d-bag though. Glad to know there are a few seals that still think being a quiet professional is important.
this seemed prime for Delta. There must be a backstory on how it got to team 6.
@@trivet1970 Who was the JSOC CDR at that time? There is your answer.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 McRaven, yea no doubt.
There's delta books movies and podcasts stop implying that only a particular group does it lol everyone does it because we need to hear their stories it's almost as if they're letting go a burden while still telling amazing and cool stories about their buddies their life it's not a game these dudes risked it all u can't judge them from your couch
@@trivet1970 John "Shrek" Mcphee was a SGM at the unit in 2011 said Delta was offered the mission, but they turned it down because the intelligence was sketchy.
Ive never believed Robs story. If anything he had the most media training and became the poster boy for killing OBL. I question if it even happened at all tbh.
Feel same about Marcus luttrell when you read what a marine commander said about the area
@@MM-qi5mkbro even the ranger QRF that went and rescued Luttrell said his story was bs lol
@@MM-qi5mksource ?
@@c.b.2838Source?
Has anyone ever thought that maybe there are different versions because people see and experience things in combat differently. I grew up watching my Dad find all the guys he commanded as a Platoon Leader in the 1st Cav in 1968 in Vietnam. The different level of how they remembered firefights was unreal. I watched them relive each bad fight identified by a date or LZ every time. Most of it was amazing to watch them remember or figure what happened as some were wounded and never even new what happened to guys etc. I also watched some of them getting in arguments or say others were making things up. I will never forget when I asked my Dad about it. He just said everyone sees the horrors of war differently. Either way it’s terrible and any guy in his unit was in so much combat that they earned the right to the way they saw it. I was a young kid and made me realize a lot about how people will never see things the same way.
Yeah there’s that then there’s writing a book about something you’re not 100% certain on
i get it.
but.. i would think you would absolutely know if you were the 1st one who shot UBL. especially at that level. what a mess.
You know who killed who in close combat situations at that level of operating
@@tryptaman4315 I’d bet money all those operators had over 500+ kills each over all their years of operating, probably very easy to get mixed up.
Thats not the issue. He's got multiple guys first hand accounts saying Red not O'Neil killed UBL. Including "Mark Owen" even saying so in his book.
So not letting anyone outside the unit know the reality? The Truth? Serves what purpose? If an operator wants anonymity, no problem, but 3 guys or more claiming to be the ‘shooter’...what else is there? Rob O’Neil is actually tanned?
Other than coming across as a bit of an O'Neill bumboy, what right do you have to know the reality, Roy? Pray tell.
And before you tell me you know him, it's O'Neill not O'Neil.
@@stup4501 because trillions of our tax dollars and tens of thousands of our people died in pursuit of this dude, we deserve to at least have an accurate account of what happened. Years of war, trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of soldiers lives, and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, led up to this moment. It is not in any way entitlement to say we deserve a clear answer after all of that.
@@stup4501 You actually corrected that guy’s spelling of Rob’s last name?
Wow, you really showed him!
What a fkn douche🙄
@@gryph0n55 Tell that to the gov. They should be the ones releasing the official reports but they're not talking.
@@gryph0n55 the operation has been declassified, just look up what happened.
Aren’t O’Neil and Bissonette on the ST6 Wall of Shame
@Michael McClure yes, yes they are
Rock of shame. But yes.
O'Neill always seemed to sound sketchy when he tells the story.
Great work, the truth is kinda important
Just a grunt here but I feel like the mission has taken back seat to who or who all killed UBL. We always followed up on every target so I think that it’s plausible that the first shot may not have technically ended said dueche bags life but possibly became the fate of the other bullets in ass hats body.
The real question is would you write a book on it though?
I’m enjoying all the guys talking about point man taking the first shot. Just because your point man in a stack doesn’t mean your going to fire the first shot. People don’t seem to understand in room clearing you take a sector and your responsible for that sector, if bin Laden wasn’t in the point man’s sector he’s not going to fire a shot on him until his sector is clear lol
Red isn’t the name of the Seal (nor the Call Sign) Red is always what we call the Point Man. No matter who it is. Whoever is Point 1, is called Red.
There was a cag squadron in the area when the CIA confirmed it was OBL, but Mcraven wanted it to all seals "for the brand".There was also supposed to be an attached CCT and PJ on Neptune spear, but again it was "for the brand".
Where’s your source
@@flight2k5 second this. would love to know what source john kamot pulled this from.
There was probably no 24th STS guys on the ground because it was known ahead of time there would be no CAS on the mission.
@@whereisevan Had they had a CCT from the 24th there he couldve used his ATC skills for infil and exfil. I mean look at what happened with the helicopters at infil. Most times cas is always on the mission, even if its a recce. Just in case.
@@flight2k5 Watch the jocko podcast when Mcraven was there. He obviously wouldnt say it outright but look at his facial expression and body language when talking about it.
Was another great episode boys 😎👍🇺🇸
Name and unit never should have been stated period. Smh
This 100%
With ya brother. We can tell the story all day long as to what happened but I would have been hot if my name actual or the name of my unit was mentioned. Stupid and downright dangerous.
Kidney failure no later than 09'.
🎯
@@og-greenmachine8623 so who was at Abbotabad
@@ObamaFromKenya
Stand in.
SEALs dumped him in the mountains
of Afghanistan.
Couldn’t return to Bahgram ,with the wrong guy.
He was standing in
the seals dumped the guy they shot
over the hills of Afghanistan
they couldn’t return with the wrong guy.
Pakistan and Iran tricked America💡
@@og-greenmachine8623 but who was recording BinLaden in 2010 talking about the 2010 floods in Pakistan?
Andy Stumpf also brought up that guys that were there also said oneil didn’t get him.
Didn’t admiral Mcraven confirm O’Neill shot UBL?
Yes he did! In his book! That's good enough for me!
Red was in it for the Honor. Rob was in it for the Fame&Fortune.
Someone needs to find "Red" and get him on this show. It sounds like he was the team leader or in some kind of leadership roll that night. It can't be too hard to figure out, especially with all the SEAL public speakers and books etc.
I think the whole point of 'Red' remaining incognito is that he seeks to maintain his integrity, unlike Rob O'Neill who lives off being there like a fly lives on shit (regardless of the truth).
Like they said, "Red" is the silent professional. Just like delta guys. They choose not to be in the spotlight to get fame or credit.
He is in hawaii. I surf with him. Reed is his name. Hes out now. Haha im a sell out, but dudes a beast
@@stup4501 Red was also incognito because he was still in the SEALS until recently
@@catigalavizcardenas2579 Nah he actually lives in costa rica, we go out for drinks sometimes and keep in touch. See, I can do it too.
O’Neil is not a silent professional. Great job Red!
I get the fog of war, but when Rob talks i always feel he is lying, just how he talks.....the 60 min guy vanished, wonder why....n Rob is a ginger maybe he is "Red" either way Delta is the best of the best.
I read all the books and to be completely honest with you it’s all very inconclusive but tbh Rob’s story is the least confusing one. I am not taking sides just I believe that it was a team effort and all of those seals are heroes.
Good response. Still pretty hazy, now that I’m learning all these new angles. My strength for O’Neil, is that he’s from Montana, and Montana doesn’t tolerate such garbage from anyone, let alone someone who’s had the spotlight put upon them too! Looks shiitey.
rob DOES SAY numerous times, even his account when Obama asked "so. who got him?" Rob said "we all did." Rob never really takes full credit for being the man that "killed UBL", but idk maybe his shot is what ultimatley caued death? If you look into the story of Marucs Luttrell and accounts from Mark Owen....these guys dont come out because they want fame. The navy puts them on "assignment" to go out there and tell the story, gives them a ghost writer to write all the books, and its all a propoganda mission after that. Not all popoganda is bad so i dont like using that word but thats what this is essentially. If you listen to Mark Owens accounts on Jack Carrs podcast on the aftermath, Mark got the shit end of hte stick because he wrote the book behind NSWs and the DoDs back but hired the JAG lawyer who helped out the author who wrote "Black Hawk Down" to make sure he was breaking no laws in writing his book. The navy was very unpleased with him, they even sued Mark Owen, and right after, Rob Oniel comes out from the treeline. So i think Rob was just the operator they chose to put out into the world on the NAVYS accord to talk about the raid. Mark also mentions how common this is in NSW when they made Act of Valor as a propoganda recruitment film, the navy BEGGING Marus Lutrell to write Lone Survivor and later turn it into a film, and then they did the same thing with Zero Dark Thirty. It was interesting to hear that the film Zero Dark Thirty was actually funded by the DoD and the CIA as a film to portray the events leading up to the raid on UBL. I never realized the authenticity of Zero Dark Thirty until years after the film came out. They even threw Admiral McRaven into the film and if you look really closely when hes on the phone with who i THINK is the president after they bring back the body, you can see on his nametape on his plate carrier "McRaven". No one really knew who he was and his part in the Op until years after THE FILM came out.
@@Kaotix_music lol are you serious? that’s literally what he takes credit for in every video of him ever
@@chrishandsome4267 and what’s his quote when he said Obama asked who got him?
Wait so what was wrong with what bissonnette said? It sounds like it matches what actually happened.
Nothing. Biss told it right. Hes referring to what he said about his sources on the Team implying that the guys who are out there telling their stories..like Rob O'Neil, and Biss, and others..are not very good representations of the "best of the SEAL team community". Meaning that they might have done some very bad things while deployed. He said that their teammates love them, but they do have some problems with them. Im not sure if you have seen the whole interview in its entirety, but if you have not, you should check it out and everything will make more sense in regards to that.
@@mattjack3983 ah ok my bad, haven’t seen the whole thing so I didn’t have the context. From an outside perspective it all seems to be “he said she said” and pretty difficult to get a straight, definite answer. Thanks for clarifying though.
@@firstnamelastname9444 you should definitely watch the whole interview. One of the best I've seen so far on this channel. Its a long one, but its more than worth it. You won't be disappointed.
How can you know categorically what “actually happened” given you were not there?
McRaven said it was Rob
@@PF9O When I said “actually happened,” I meant that it was in line with what was said on this podcast. I’m not here to make any claims on which story is the most accurate (the one shared on this podcast or any other), I was just asking a clarifying question because what Mark Owen said lines up with the story shared here.
Love the show boys! Keep it up!!!
Internet seems to have a general consensus on who Red is, B.R., I just wish we could get a confirmation lol
Can you inform me on the consensus? Is the thought to be bill rapier?
@@juggernaught8175 Bill was certainly on the Op. Andy Stumpf teased him about being on the Op when Bill was on his podcast. Mark Owen recently said on Jack Carr's podcast that "He's still in and he'll never talk about it". This was long after he had been on Andy's podcast.
So my money is on it not being Bill. Bill seems like a good dude, and just wants to keep it on the DL. Edward Byers just confirmed today that he was on the raid. I had once heard a rumor that 1 Blue Squadron guy was there, and it looks like that was true. I don't think it was Byers either. There were a lot more dudes there, and more than half of them haven't talked, and some of them never will.
@@JB-dz4hy just finished that piece Byers did and was surprised to hear he was part of it too
@@mikesmith1790 Yeah for real. In No Easy Day, Mark Owen talks about how a guy from another Squadron was on the mission, and somewhere else I saw that it was a Blue Squadron dude. Everything lines up fr.
That's the difference between a killer, and someone that kills. Being proud of murder is not something people who kill, but are not killers, do.
LOL at calling the Bin Laden raid a murder.
McRaven stated in his own book it was Rob?
the truth is we will never really know who shot UBL first. in my opinion the credit for it belongs to all the seals that where on the raid. i don't care if rob did shoot him or not in my mind all of the guys are heroes
Rob says it all the time. It was a team effort and says "we all got him"
@@Kaotix_music that’s what I’m saying
The guy in Zero Dark Thirty who shot UBL was a very silent guy with red hair. Is that film completely accurate? Probably not. But it has been confirmed that the Obama WH was leaking confidential information about the entire UBL op to the filmmakers. The "Maya" character was real as well, but it did stayed much of what she did in the movie was actually done by a group of people instead... Which is typical for most Hollywood films due to conciseness.
O Neil is a ginger.
"Red" was Kyle DeFoor, not Rob O'Neill.
Red is the paragon of an operator.
Apparently a navy seal by the name of Red, he's still in the seal teams.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing the truth. A few other videos are now saying the same thing as you are.
God bless 🙏
Can this guy tell me who killed Liberty Valence?
Or who was on the grassy knoll
Man I always thought it was Jimmy Stewart
Highly respect the Seals for what they do but some of these guys flat out are liars. I don't believe Rob was the first one to shoot just like I didn't believe the Chris Kyle story with Jesse Ventura. Respect the guys more who just operate on a day to day basis.
Mark owen " Bisonnett " never needed the credit for killing ubl. Few facts, bisonnett was team lead of the whole team, director of the play. Red was his point man and did his job to the highest level. Bisonnett asked his teammates about publishing a book telling the public what happened and not what the leadership in WH , mcraven, panetta were saying to capitalize on the event, they even had zero dark thirty laid out.
If rob said he killed ubl, ask him if he speaks Arabic, simple as that
Dude enjoys hate mail and cares about the truth, high five to that
maybe this is all a show and part of the plan on who did the kill. maybe the public will never know.
From an outsider, this controversy about UBL is beginning to make me wonder if we really got the guy.
Also, o Neill claims he canoed bin laden before they confirmed it was really him so like it makes me wonder even more
@@fjoseyahoo yeah, there have been some inconsistencies in his story.
yea burial at sea so fast....hmmmm
@@RocksNRuts4 lol
I think "RED" is a true silent professional and leads by example .
" RED " whoever you are, wherever you are 👍👍👍 🤙 you are "The Man " !
"RED" isn't a nickname for that particular person. 'Red' is the name given to whoever is the 'point man' in the operation, as the point man is in the most dangerous (ie. hot/red) position.
Whats strange about guys like rob and chris kyle legit badass studs that lie about things they did it takes away from their stock not add
You guys don't think "Red" is actually Rob Oneil? I've seen pictures of him with a distinct red or reddish beard and hair.
Robs call sign was NSRO
"Red" was Kyle DeFoor
Not picking any sides. But I’ve always been very weary about the stories being told about OBL. There’s so many holes in the story that people seem to just ignore because “we can’t undermine the hero” but we have to face the facts. Definitely has been fishy to me from the get go. Even if he has been lying, we don’t know the reason why so there’s that too. You can tell when people tell these stories and they kind of skirt around the painting, when media/people paint the picture for them, they go all in on it.
@@franks450 you can’t trust Red Squadron 🤦♂️❓
Bravo.....
@@franks450 yup. There was so much outrage over a big ole lie.
Pakistani ISI knew UBL was in that compound because he had actually been captured by Pakistani SSG Special Forces & was being held there since 2007. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani & Director General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, were the two most Senior Pakistani Intelligence commanders & they were fully aware of his location & actually arranged to have one of Pakistan's foremost physicians provide medial care for UBL because he was sick & dying of Kidney disease. Multiple Senior officials within Pakistani Intelligence were actually UBL sympathizers, but someone within ISI gave up intel to the CIA that he was in Abbottabod in exchange for the $25million dollar reward the US government was offering for information on UBL, he was also granted immunity & relocated out of the country for fear of being killed by Pakistani Intelligence. There's no way possible they could've breached Pakistani Airspace undetected from their Missile Defense system radar unless someone within the Pakistani Army & ISI gave them an operational window in order to sneak in. Meaning, someone within the Pakistani Army & ISI had to have high level security clearance in order to temporarily shut down their MDS & no one would have that kind of clearance except for the top Senior Intelligence Officers. And I don't believe for one second O'Neill took the shot.
@@wolf7el356 I haven’t done near the amount of research you’ve done obviously, but I’m clearly hesitant on ALL accounts of “readily available information” on what happened aka everything that’s in the spotlight. The fact of the matter is things happen that are far more sketchy to make things happen. And I feel like it extends far past getting UBL. The inner works of the government is honestly terrifying, and the power that goes on is insane. The problem is I don’t think either of us will truly know the truth until the very least we are old and dying and that info is declassified. At that point in time, it probably won’t matter anymore. Glad to read your post though, truly enlightening and things I’ve never personally heard.
Top Secret seems to be more of a suggestion these days than an actual rule.
Top Secret to the seals means future BOOK/MOVIE deal
When the president blows the lid off so he can take credit, don’t hold the others to a higher standard
Lots of people are getting on O’Neil for lying about this
Imagine being angry at an actual operator for telling “his” story, yet applauding a journalist who wasn’t there and is only trying to sell an alternative story because it generates skepticism which results in more views and money. Bottom line the seals got them and for a journalist who wasn’t there coming in as the voice of reason is a an absolute joke
This is the dumbest fallacy i see people make trying to make sense of something, the idea that anecdotal personal insight AKA an ant's view alone can in anyway trump the reliability of effective research based on sources from developed data is just poor critical analysis.
Aight, well let's be real... Even a mfer with good intentions can get the story wrong due to the Fog of War. It's not really an alternative story... Just parts of the whole that haven't been told. The Operator's stories and this Journalist's stories can both be simultaneously true. *shocked pikachu face* *gasp*
Also, to be fair, if you line up ten eyewitnesses to an accident, each will have varying and in some cases, radically different accounts. I don't doubt that Matt, or Rob, truly believe their accounts and are telling the truth as they remember.
True. Also,victims may be “alive” for several minutes after a torso shot. There’s no telling who definitively delivered the killing shot. I heard they all took turns dumping rounds in him.
But these dudes aren't just random witnesses to some trafic accident. These are supposed to be the best trained CT/HRT-force on the planet. Thus they are supposed to EXACTLY remember what they did in arguably the biggest / most historic raid in recent history. And especially after the (probably) hundreds/thousands of after action reports and debriefs.
And furthermore: If one guy has the opportunity to make a shitload of cash with a single lie, knowing that noone credible is ever going to come out and say what really happened.. Well there's all we need to know
They know exactly what happened. You can't get that job if you have an unreliable memory. Like the man said, Redman is a quiet professional.
Trust me, that raid was definitely filmed. We will never see it though but they know what really happened
@@WarInHD I wouldn’t be surprised if the footage is released at some point in the distant future. Like 20-30 years from now or more. At least that portion of the video. Without disclosing identities and tactical TTP’s
Wasn't Rob.
Me
He lives a quiet life in Australia. Nothing more to say on the matter.
How do you know?
giving away names and land features!? Opsec.....................
lol im jk hahhahahaahah
@@sams9285 Several members of Red Squadron were actually from Australian SAS.
There was an interview on 60 mins 9 years ago of a seal named Mark Owen who claimed he was the who actually did it
His real name is mathew bissonete , they mention him here
@@albanmakolli8232 ah thank u good Sir
That was Bissonnette, who didn’t say he killed Bin Laden. He also said it was the point man.
@@radjedi2010 well good sir I saw an interview where he did in fact claim to be the one who killed Osama
@@seymourbutts8899 He wrote in his book and also said in an interview literally a few months ago that it was the point man.
The Navy knows through ballistics and the Navy has not disputed Rob ONeil.
Thanks “Red”
i believed Robs story, it got weird during the 60 minutes Australia interview (available on RUclips) when the host asked about Rob about the point man and who actually shot OBL. It was the first and only time I ever heard Rob stammer and try to put together an answer basically saying if the point man took the shot he wasn't in a position to hear the shot.
Rob O'Neill sold out his Team to make a buck. He's a P.O.S. who has NO HONOR. He may have technically "shot" UBL...but it was after the "Kill".
@@j.t.patton7820 I have to disagree, Rob wrote the book well after he left the military. Having both hard copy and audiobook of The Operator I don't recall Rob exposing or identifying any SEAL that was on the OBL mission - who hasn't come out already. I can't blame him for trying to make a buck as it is very difficult to transition from military service, he's even set up a foundation to assist veterans with this process, what else does he has to do earn your respect?
@@LevonsWound I never said he identified anyone.
What I said is he SOLD OUT HIS TEAM by claiming (taking credit for) the kill...which is complete BULLSHIT.
The "Point" Man that actually pulled the trigger on UBL will never admit to it BECAUSE HE HAS HONOR. He knows it was a TEAM EFFORT and that the success from it should be attributed to the TEAM.
@@j.t.patton7820 rob killed bin laden
Edit: spelling
@@WhiteBoyTariq Derp
Why would Rob deploy on another tier one op after this when he didn’t have to if he was only in it for fame? He had the fame and decided to leave out the front door like he came in the front door and put his life on the line. Rock stars and rappers are getting paid millions. Why can’t our elite who put there lives on the line be paid like kings also? He did his time and lost close friends. He deserves everything he received.
Rob was kicked out of red squadron shortly after the mission for bragging around bars in Virginia beach about being the shooter, his next deployment was with silver squadron. Reason he deployed again is he was 3 years off from navy retirement, he just couldn't handle all the hate he got after so he quit early. Rob is a hero but he is full of crap and tooting his own horn.
@@leelotungal819 doesn’t change the fact that he deployed again. Put his life on the line for our country. He is a hero in my eyes. And in many others.
@@equinoxnemesis6170 Absolutely a hero and by all accounts (I've spoken to people from his command personally) a phenomenal operator BUT does not change the fact he is also a bragging butthead and absolutely lies about the bin laden raid.
They don’t sign up to be rock stars. They sign up to be “Silent Professionals”
@@hereticlife2546 yes pay the silent professionals
Admiral William Mcraven said Rob O'Neil fired the Shot
How about this. Our soldiers did a fantastic job. God Bless America
bill rapier is the guy
I too feel BR is the guy but we are only aware of the names of like 4 - 5 people on that raid that night so it could still be another un-named badass!
@@mikesmith1790 it's just the way he talked on the cleared hot podcast kind if confirmed it to me.
I hope you are right because Bill is an awesome dude but never heard anything about him being “Red”
@@jeremycaraway950 same exact thing that stuck out to me, the banter and dismissive non-reaction says “yeah I know who shot him” or “now the internet thinks I shot him”. Mad respect regardless
@@mikesmith1790 who are y’all saying gets a little jumpy when talking about it? O’Neill? Or bill?
Admiral McRaven said publicly more than once that it was Rob O'Neill. In addition, this was also publicly said by the DevGru Unit Commander.
i never "ever" read or heard that. they (commanders) are way too professional and mature to such a thing; hence it would not protect the mission, personnel, and (future) capabilities.
they did not, and do not; "fight" like in HS or who did "what". i mean we are not 10 (ten) plus years of milking this and their YT "yapping".
OK. in the end we "surrendered" afghansitan.
@@afg3643 ruclips.net/video/1HNugOXEfng/видео.html go to 4:48 and he says it live. It is not a debate. The NYT reporter writing this is a POS.
From my recollection MsRaven was rather non-committal when he answered that question, like, it was probably O’Neal or sth like that.
@@phantomopera5525 I linked the video of him saying, "Rob O'Niell, the Seal who in fact shot Bin Laden right above your reply. In fact it was not non-committal, it was very direct and affirmative.
@@px106l I misremembered then, thanks.
I never doubted O’Neil shot Bin Ladin. I just don’t think he was the first one.
A guy in red squadron with the call sign red - is there a level above alpha
The guy wants his book to sell, imagine just believing this outright.
to each their own. However, what proof do you have to say that he is wrong? Many Seals have publically come out saying he is telling the truth and he quotes them many times.
I’m really on the fence about who actually killed UBL. Just watched his interview on the Shawn Ryan show and he really goes in depth about what happened that night. Now whether it’s true or not is a different story but to me it doesn’t seem right to lie about this stuff. Whatever did happen though, I just glad someone got him 🇺🇸
It wasn't O'Neill.
He said he did and he was there. And we don’t have anyone else refuting his story, least of which another SEAL.
So...
@@rayzell9010 NOT true.
Matt Bisionette aka "Mark Owen" tells exactly what went down.
The point Man "Red" killed Hamza Bin Laden AND U.B.L.
Rob lies his ass off taking credit, cause he's a dirtbag.
There are multiple accounts from people who were there or close to it, that are all similar. The CIA, Bissonnette, a few others all give similar accounts. Only O'Neill's is different. What's annoying is that both Bissonnette and O'Neill have both done recent interviews and neither of them talk about it.
@@rayzell9010 Bissonnette was a team leader on the raid, and the guy who took the photos of Bin Laden (for which the FBI slapped him with a massive fine). His version is different from O'Neill's. But yeah, he never directly refutes what O'Neill said.
The answer to this is on record the debrief was tapped 100%
Fake heroism will always be a thing I prefer not believe any of that stories .. if it happened these people who chased him and got him knows best and they don’t talk about it it’s fine … but all this war was a weird thing so fuck it
this isn’t the first episode they have done with an author about negative stories of the Seal Teams. I wonder if there was an author with the same sort of stories about Delta or Special Forces if they would be so willing to give them a platform. Not saying they wouldn’t just asking the question.
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Listen I believe Call Sign Red Is Actually Rob O’Neal
Alfreda Scheuer is the most irreplaceable and important person in all of this.
Just another night for the operators.
It only happened one way, not multiple ways.
I bet all 3 guys took shots, and maybe he didn’t fully pass until all of those shots were made.
Maybe Rob’s shots to the dome after Red’s & Matt’s did the final trick.
Team effort is the best answer, in my mind.
Matt Bisonette never claimed he shot him. He just said it was “Red” and not Rob.
I think it was Red first, jumped on the wives, then Rob fired security shots or just canoed the corpse.
@@PF9O I think Matt said in the 60 Min interview "we engaged him several more times" but could be wrong
I think this is 100% the best synopsis.
@@zap7378 we just means the team, in my eyes. Doesn’t suggest he fired himself. Matt claimed to have shot Khalid but apparently this is untrue according to Matt Cole.
I like Matt a lot but his story seems to fluctuate more than others.
Also the fact that Rob waited 3 years to announce it was him only after someone else leaked it, also shows this “investigator” is full of shit.
That is a good point
Hypothetically if I put anyone down especially due to how some of these groups work nl, no way would it be spoken of no pictures and no pals would speak out of perhaps what they have done. I always found it strange how these things get out. Thank God I never had to do anything. I know we use certain tactics like mis or dis to confuse or for saturation but putting a face out there is alarming to me. Anyways thanks to all the good dudes who did and do great things .
Does anyone else remember a interview that aired on tv a year or so after it happened, where a totally different guy got the credit? I remember seeing it and the man was definitely not rob
A bit off topic, but MARSOC should definitely be expanded. Even SF Diver teams.
Would definitely like to see that. Marines are fucking awesome when speaking in terms of a conventional force
@@LvoZee05 naw they’re not any better than Army
@@oliversacks3837 Just what we don't need, another Tier 1 unit fighting turf wars with Delta and DEVGRU.
@Ax3192 Sorry, but no one has been able to justify the existence of SF dive teams for several decades now. In what Universe is there a Spec Ops Dive mission that Army Special Forces going to go on while the SEALs stand idly by?
@@flight2k5 I'm just saying the Marines are a kickass force, considering what they're given to work with.
so another guy trying to sell a book is telling a different story?? I'm shocked.. But sure let's trust his "sources". I think at this point rob would be called out as a liar.. still hasn't happened and wont happen.
You do realize his sources are other DEVGRU guys from Red Squadron right? Rob got the credit because the actual shooter doesn't want to be publicized, so they all agreed amongst themselves that Rob would be the one to take the credit because of his media training.
this doesn't contradict Matt Bissonnette's book at all folks... O'Neills yes .
The point man killed him
3:57 Bad _sailors_ he means. Soldiers are in the Army. The Navy has sailors. There's a couple problems like that in his book so far. That and the reference to a ".60 caliber" machine gun.
Lol omg dude, it is NOT any kind of a "problem". Yes, SEALs are Navy men, so they'd be "sailors". And im sure that the majority of people know that the Navy has sailors. Its incredibly obvious that by referring to them as "soldiers" he's being hyperbolic, and simply using the word "soldiers" to describe them as fighting men, warriors, etc.. And anyone who reads the book who has served, and knows that he has NOT served, is going to understand that. Theres two SOLDIERS there with him in the interview, both of whom served in elite units, and they didn't seem to think it was very important to point that out, or correct it..did they? No, they didn't. Because its not an issue. Because they understand what he meant. Because only a shit bag private who just left basic yesterday and already thinks he's some kind of high-speed stud..or a shit bag wannabe who wants people to think he really knows what he's talking about..is going to be enough of a shit bag to point that out like its some kind of major inaccuracy and egregious offense. And yeah, we know..theres no such thing as a .60 cal. Gee..what in God's name do think he could have been referring to when he wrote .60 caliber? Any ideas? Is that really something that is so important to the book and its story that it needs to be called out and corrected too? Its not a book about the specifics of the weapons the SEAL teams may use. Hes a civilian dude. No one cares about him misnaming a .50cal, or referring to a SEAL as a soldier. Unless of course you are one of the above aforementioned shit bags.
@@mattjack3983 amen. Most pointless comment in every section from people wanting to knitpick and contribute nothing.