Intercept Exposé on How SEAL Team 6 Killed Osama Bin Laden, "Canoeing" & Other Atrocities
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- democracynow.org - We continue our conversation with reporter Matthew Cole about his stunning new exposé published this week in The Intercept about the elite military unit SEAL Team 6 reveals a darker side of the group best known for killing Osama bin Laden. National security reporter Matthew Cole spent two years investigating accounts of ghastly atrocities committed by members of the unit, including mutilating corpses, skinnings and attempted beheadings. According to sources, senior command staff were aware of the misconduct but did little to stop it-and often helped to cover it up.
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The problem is that terrorist groups do not follow any rules of engagement .... none at all . Being a Soldier all my life !
The problem with that kind of thinking is these Seals eventually turned against fellow soldiers, sailors, and Marines to the point that they killed a soldier in Mali merely because they didn't like him. As someone who has family in the military, I don't want these guys anywhere near my relatives, and while these guys are in the Seals, there's no way to prevent that. Just because the enemy does something, doesn't mean you have to sink to their level. And the whole point of being a senior enlisted man or an officer is that you're supposed to know better and set the example.
Thanks to seal team 6 for doing what needed to be done!!!
Bullet Jones I hope you feel the same way if a country sends in armed forces to take out Trump, Clinton, Bush, Rumsfeld etc 🤔.
There are probably plenty of people outside of the USA that feel that something "needs to be done", with regards to them. 😒
1Flyingfist unfortunately for those people, our leaders aren’t holed up in rusted compounds in shitholes
I'm sure they did kill anyone all fake . Keep believing the lies sheep.
Tell that to Linda Norgrove, her family, and MI6.
Really they made sure binladin didn't talk. I sure would have loved to hear what he had to say
"Canoeing" is an atrocity? No, it's just shooting a legit target in the head in particular way - they are dead either way. I don't really care. The sober truth is this. War is horrific and it's a racket. It turns men into monsters who have to fight it. It's not too far a stretch to say these men were responding to the viciousness they encountered from the enemy and sought to terrorize them in return. My understanding is that several U.S. SF units had this reputation in Afghanistan and Iraq, and it was helpful to us. The real issue is how we prosecuted the war in Afghanistan and going to Iraq at all.
do you care if the taliban behead or castrate us soldiers when they are already dead?
if the answer is yes, then you are just hypocritical and not different than them
Civilians never understood soldiers and war reality, and nowadays when most Western men are weak emotional cucks, it's even more prevalent. Soon they will cry about soldiers shooting at all
"You need to have drama when you're selling a myth". Yep..could apply to you, too.
i imagine the US gov would have wanted Bin Laden dead asap rather than bring to a trial - Bin Laden surely would have said too much about Saudi Arabias involvement in supporting terrorism and it would have been too problematic a position for the US to be in
I imagine that Hillary's missing 2 million emails on an illegal server doesn't both you, huh? Do you have any pictures of them doing it? Didn't think so!!!!
@@dirtbagtrooper Are you still beating that dead horse?
R u a paid shill? Lmao more like would have said too much about direct cooperation with U.S. intelligence services as well as Pakistan's
You're absolutely right. Can you imagine the circus a trial would have been?
What are you talking about? It was never a capture mission. It was a kill mission to begin with.
Hearts & Minds. When terror is brought to your soil, you send it back tenfold to protect your homeland.
Thank you for saying this! War is ugly but necessary and everything under the sun bad can and will happen in the "fog of war"
Okay so we need to defeat terrorism…what should we use? Oh, I know, terrorism!
Do you not understand how self defeating and stupid that logic sounds?
@@timgimmy609How are they the same? Both are not equal or the same. Stop with that nonsense. Put the bong down Tim
This is deceptive journalism. "Canoeing" targets isn't an atrocity or war crime. It was an unintended consequence. All US special operations units within JSOC were made to change their tactics to shooting enemies in their faces instead of aiming center-mass (torso) after insurgents were still able to kill Army & Marines infantrymen through touching together wires that ran down their arms to their wrists to detonate their suicide vests in their last seconds alive. The only effective way to prevent it was by shooting them in their mustache areas because the bullet pierces through to the brain stem at the base of the cranium to instantly sever all communication between the body and the nervous system. The caliber of ammunition they use is so powerful that it consequently splits their heads open in a V shape. It isn't done to mutilate the enemy. It's just a side effect of the adjustments that were made by US forces due to conditions on the ground
you dont know what you are talking about. it was done intentionally
@@LowKickMTThank you. Of course it was intentional. Never a war crime, but intentional. I would also love to hear what he thinks that very powerful ammunition is that “they” use to sever brain stems. If only it was that simple…
Let's not all jump down his throat he has clearly been propagandized to, and yelling at him will only reaffirm his belief
@@MattyP3789 O'neill has talked about it being 77 grain hollow point, and that it split his head from ear to ear.
They are flying at night in helicopters over one of the maddest most hostile places on Earth. Once there, to do personal, face to face battle with the guys that do the beheadings, brought down the towers, throw gays from roofs, full body bag their women, shoot cartoonists, blow up kids concerts....Need I go on?
The most motivated evil on earth.
I'm an armed police officer, but I can only play defence. We need someone on offence, ffs.
Who do you want to send..?
RUclips journalists?
You Americans own these calm professional maniac Rottweilers. They are a national resource. Just train em, aim em, and let 'em go!
....on a long leash...
fiacmar Amen!
Or you know, just don't fuck up half the continent? So you don't even need those monsters a couple of decades later?
I like this one... But I think you got some dip spit in you beard.
Seals ans Special forces often kill civilians too. We're still allied with Saudi Arabia and they throw gays off roofs too.
CrimsonKnight the word often means that you think they kill civilians at at least one out of three people that they put down. seals do not go in and just shoot up the whole place no matter who's there. there are acceptable civilian casualties in War it's inevitable but for the u.s. they were telling the tier 2 and Tier 1 operators that they must not go over something like half a percent so that means that there must not be any collateral damage or civilians killed more than one out of every 200 combatants killed. if you think that these guys or any military force can go into a dangerous Battlefield and not kill one civilian the whole time you've never served. let me ask you this say it's 1939 Hitler just invaded Poland save for some reason you were able to make a predator drone at that time. You have a lock on Hitler but he's adding meeting with his girlfriend his niece a few friends that are part of the war effort and a few other civilians along with all of his high command. You can drop a 2000 lb jdam and destroy the whole building and kill everybody in it, do you let that bomb go? I'm assuming you would say yes so you do agree that sometimes collateral damage and civilian deaths are inevitable. This isn't World War II anymore where both sides do daily Air Raids on the population centers of the enemies countries. it's not like the u.s. is going in with B-52 bombers loaded up and just bombing anything that has movement. look how the Russians fought the Afghanistan war when they were there. they were shooting anything on site that wasn't in the Communist capital. they got shot at with a missile and a helicopter went down they brought in an Armored Division to go into that Village and kill everything and blow up everything that's there. The u.s. brings in troops to do searches of every single house to find who has those types of weapons if the same thing were to happen. Those troops would only fire if they're being fired upon since that's what Obama's Roe was through most of his administration. If you don't understand War or how it's fine., how it's been fought in the past and how much restraint us uses you're just not going to see the bigger picture and not understand anything. Name me another country in the Modern Age that has had military tribunals Four soldiers that went AWOL and killed civilians on purpose. the u.s. is the only one I can think of. Remember that one guy that went off base went into a village and killed like 15 civilians he was tried and found guilty and he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. if that was a Chinese or Russian or Pakistani or any other Soldier that would have just been covered up. You know why you don't hear of any of the atrocities that those few Russians that are on the ground in Syria do? It's because they don't have a free press over there they don't have a Freedom of Information Act Like We Do the Russian say there's no paperwork because it didn't happen they deny it the US has a free press so if something bad happens it gets put out for the whole world to see.
Sometimes the public shoud not ask questions that have answers they/we are not willing to stomach. War is waged by humans, humans are emotional, and at some point in time, emotions will bring out the worst of any of us. I'm not condoning Seal Team 6 actions, but I understand them.
Rubbish. This is a slap in the face of vast majority of those who didn't. The underlying issue is that the incidents were covered up to protect the command.....
If you follow this stuff, other former tier 1 operators say that there are some guys who are legitimate psychopaths in there that literally joined for the chance to kill people. It’s like condoned serial killing. The idea that someone like that was on that mission is not that far fetched.
These guys are also selected and trained on their ability to stay calm in combat because you make better tactical decisions while calm. So the idea that any of THE most elite operators we have succumbed to the heat of the moment actually seems more far fetched in my opinion.
@@colintainter4856 Agree. Unfortunately, over time it is just another day at the office. Hence training and leadership are critical to maintain focus and compass.
yep...... i like Dem Now, but it makes me cringe to see this reporter complain about the military that makes her political show possible........ this video only has 135k views in 6 years, obviously no one agrees with this interview..........
The military has to follow rules like anyone else. You sound like a dipshit
“No noise, suppressed weapons are very quiet.”
Helicopter crashed, there was a fire fight, and also suppressed weapons are not that quiet. There would have been plenty of noise.
Not gonna lose any sleep over how he died.
Should be ashamed of your words, Usama bin Laden was a treath by himself - even as old frail man. Think man
Threath
Being in a warzone is a major emotional event
Especially when we send sociopaths and psychopath to fight them. Not let me also include I don't care if we torture bad guys. But when we act that way it our guys get operators syndrome it's not good for us.
you dont say.....
yet the majory doesnt have to act like an isis terrorist
its a few who are doing wrong
When a high power rifle round hits the head, hydraulic pressure causes the skull to split open.
Ghastly Behavior? Like driving a plane into a building with 3000 innocent people? Unbelievable...I will just say: thank you
you realize the war has killed 70,000 afghan and pakistani civilians right? but apparently civilian casualties only matter if its americans
doing similar things wouldnt make us any different
mind they also had their "reasons" from their point of view
I guess this guy has never heard a 10.5 suppressed AR theyre not quiet at all.
I love how this fucking broad and beta male pos shit talk heros that provide protection and freedom these two people are an absolute disgrace they are to journalism what Dr. Seuss is to medicine
Kudos to DN for highlighting this, but there's an inherent problem with stories like this. They almost always seem to want to make these things out to be notable. They make beheadings and "canoeings" out to be somehow outside of the norm. This is what war is, and I don't say that as a peacenik. War murders children, burns civilians alive, it always has collateral damage, and sometimes that collateral damage is justified. Let's be sure to put the blame for the horrors of war on those that start the wars. The people who created the situations where people did this. The people who hide in offices and lie to everyone about what war is.
We had an opportunity to get Bin Laden under Bush. I haven't been able to go back and find the stories but at one point, maybe at Tora Bora, we had Bin Laden cornered, and then shortly after that moved troops away from where Bin Laden was and into Iraq, and he subsequently got away. Forgive the conspiratorialness, but I think he was going to say things that would embarrass the US government, and we didn't want him brought in alive. One of the areas where President Obama disappointed me was in his unwillingness to hold the prior administration accountable for their actions. It's very likely that Bin Laden would have shed a great deal of light on the last 35 years of US-Saudi relations had he been captured alive.
We need to hold the people who actually cause these situations accountable.
Agree. Let's start with Israel, where collective punishment, torture, house destruction (along with de facto apartheid) are the order of the day. He's trying to make an issue over shot placement that has the goal of rendering a potential militant unable to click off a vest or pull a pin on a grenade? "Canoeing?" Seems more like good and surgical shot placement to avoid any further hostile actions from the target. Are any shots to the head unacceptable in Mr.Cole's world? To the face? If he were kidnapped and threatened with beheading, I somehow think his qualms about " well-grouped shots as a war crime" would dissipate very quickly.
You're actually missing my point which is to stop these things before they begin. We should expect our leaders to not start wars that don't justify the killing of innocents and children. That's the inescapable result of going to war. We have a myth where only brave soldiers die during a war, but it's a myth. War kills children. We should own that every time we go to war.
No Way I agree buddy applying peace time normal morality to a war time situation is not realistic, these acts have been done in every war ever fought.
Sobululu war is a crime in all its Guise's.
I spent some time researching the Battle of Robert's Ridge, part of Operation Anaconda, including watching first hand accounts from people who fought in the battle and to me it seems like overwhelming examples of bravery, heroism and people who truly cared about their fellow man.
Except for how the Navy and SEALs treated Chapman when he was considered for an upgrade to the Congressional Medal of Honor for fighting and dying on that ridge.
Except the Seals left a guy there to die and then tried to lie about it.however, it was a combat controller ( Air force spec ops) and Airforce had drone footage u can watch online showing what really happened.
@Obersturmführer Klein Those are some strong words…. I’m sure you would have been successful in all the parts they weren’t.
What you mean to say is that you spent time reading and watching propaganda material designed to make trained psychopathic killers (not an insult: only certain kinds of people can join "elite" teams such as these) look like heroes. You could equally have been born - via accident of birth - in a Pashtun village and heard stories of heroic Taliban units who bravely took on American occupiers, whilst caring deeply for their tribe.
You are falling for the propaganda line of the military industrial complex and the endless war required to keep global capitalism afloat via military contracts, arms deals and the like, and it is pathetic, for lack of a better word.
@Slayer23The first rule of combat medicine is to “win the gun fight”.. There were only six operators on that Mako 30 team. Neil Roberts was KIA, Chapman had gone down was out of the fight for some time before he regained consciousness. The SEAL 60 gunner named Steven Topaz had his leg completely ripped apart my enemy belt fed 7.62 and was bleeding to death. The other 3 operators are loaded out with less then 6 mags of 5.56, 2 hand grenades and were then losing the advantage as the sun was slowing coming up. (One of the biggest advantages this team had was the cover of darkness and their NVGs). Now that’s gone, and the enemy has the high ground with superior fire power and have food and water to sustain that fighting position.
You’re damn right that SEAL Officer got off that mountain and saved what was left his team.. That was the RIGHT call
Don't matter how he was killed ! Just that he was killed !
I agree, bin laden should be dead, but it would of been better to do a public exucution.
Agreed!
This guy 100% was bullied in every year of school now he's got issues with "real men".
Matthew Coles need to research "Mozambique Drill" The muzzle will naturally rise from the center mass to the head, it is part of the training. No Suppressed weapons are not very quiet Mathew Cole, it is not like the movies. A mark 12 with Suppressor is still loud in door.
Thejoker's Dick they weren't using a mark 12 indoors were they and subsonic weapons and ammo can be very quiet
@@ac1dP1nk :HK416
Bobby Keller sub subsonic .556 is a thing. You can load it yourself and a few major ammunition company's load it for sale off the shelve. It will operate in most .556 semi/full autos if you change up the recoil spring (ar15/m16/m4 etc) but if you do this and then run full power ammo with the subsonic recoil spring it will crush your rubber buffer in no time and cause undue wear on the firearm. The problem with making a subsonic .556 is generally that the grain weight of your projectile is to light to be highly effect at subsonic flight speeds (basically turn it into a .22lr). What makes .556 effective is its speed, yes higher grain weight loads are manufactured and do increase effectiveness at subsonic speeds (I believe an increase to about 75 grains for subsonic, from 55 grains standard ), standard load .45 acp is the best subsonic off the shelves cartridge for a suppressed firearm intended for close range. Obviously if you're serious run an AR platform in .300 blackout, it was prupose built for subsonic suppression.😜
So i assume you were on the raid? All we know is what they tell us.
@@ac1dP1nk only a 22 pistol like mossad used was reasonably quite. any bullet traveling over 1100fps, almost every thing except 22 and 45acp is loud with a suppressor but better than without one.
Why does it matter whether OBL was armed or unarmed? If he was responsible for so many atrocities then why is there an issue with the way he was killed?
There is something called as trial. Civilized nations have those, yes even for people who did terrible things. Makes them better than those who don't. Makes them stand above said terrible people.
Good to know were the "western" world stands.
Christopher Walker that wasn’t the point of what he was saying. He did say he was going to die no matter what. He is trying to say how blown out of proportion the story is and to make themselves sound like heros
i think the point is the lies. I dont even really believe they got OBL because theres no photos + the supposed disfigurement.
You don't think American interference and assalts on his people might have something to do with it?
We were about to drop a bomb on the compound?
This guy isn’t an authority on war crimes. His audacity is stunning.
But but but but he has "sources"😂
His sources are former SEALs...
@@markolson9913 and how would you know?
@danielpowers2413 I'm taking his word for it because he's a reputable journalist that hasn't given me a reason to not believe him. Nobody ever said he was an authority on war crimes either. What's your reason for not believing him?
@@markolson9913 in what way is he a reputable journalist? He did a piece for the NYT, but the Times is overtly biased and leans hard left. He states that members of our military committed war crimes, but presents no hard evidence other than the alleged testimony of “sources” which he conveniently cannot name. He also does not define how the nature of the alleged crimes in any way constitutes war crimes. To be a war crime, strict definitions apply.
Since when is DEVGRU called The President's Own lmao?
It’s not
Obama always claimed that he caught Bin Laden
Hey Matthew Cole...The worst type of people do not deserve a respectable death. Thank you to all our men and women in uniform who help take down these brutal animals.
Who’s the animals? Cowards who drop bombs and send in drones, many trained men executing innocents without weapons ?
Would you have said the same as a citizen of Nazi Germany, when their army was making their own attempt at global domination?
you arent very bright john
calling them brutal animals but justify our own actions because they did it first?
you do realize that from their perspective we did something first as well which justified their attacks
we have to have different standards and call wrongdoings out otherwise we would be the exact same
This story about the British female that was killed accidentally is almost a mirror image of what happened to Pat Tillman! I will ad right down to the cover-up by our government and our military!
No it does not. The Tillman incident was totally different.
I caught that also
From my research the Pat Tillman story is much worse. Being repeatedly shot at by your own fellow soldiers while you're screaming to them you're a friendly, in my opinion is worse than just having a grenade land next to you that shouldn't have ever been thrown
Hahahaha you've never heard a suppressed weapon. They're loud as balls! They're in the hearing safe level but they're not quiet at all lmao
Im not in the military yet but from the research I've done NSW and JSOC has been issuing silencers or suppressors developed by AAC since 2008 I believe. Those cans suppress rifles to roughly 130 DB (decibels) ever since like 2012 they have been issued to tier 2 units likes Special Forces Navy SEALs ect
@@crimsonking4151 so do you think 130 db is quiet? it is quiet enough to here the gun cycle but it is not quiet.
@@charleswittmer2477 It is if you use sub-sonic.
130 dB would be pretty loud at night in a house/indoors. Even if the bullet was silent you would hear the gun cycling very loudly
Love how easy it is to be a Monday morning QB and just report on the negative!!!
Yeah a seal probably fucked this guys wife
Not only that he is a piece of crap
we have to otherwise we wouldnt be any different
Democracy Now sure is concerned about the well-being of Osama Bin Laden.
Like the fact or not,
he was a living human being.
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That's how a typical 5th grader would see this. A slightly more advanced mature adult would see a concern for power abuses and international law violations.
I actually haven't got that impression, however I do feel that US military and government can kill, torture and occupy whoever they want, regardless of international laws or ever hold accountable for their actions..at a same time preaching democracy all over the world
噢馬 ya so were the 3000 Americans killed on 9/11, so were his wives before he used them as human shields. What’s your point?
We have to hold ourselves to a higher standard of morality or we are no better than those we are fighting against. Highlighting war crimes is not always a bad thing for our military, in many cases it helps bring about top down change. Not addressing professional misconduct issues in the field will only hurt honorable SEALs both currently serving and retired, which is the overwhelming majority of them.
How on earth does this guy feel as if he is justified to say how the most elite force of the Joint special forces operation's command does their job. Was he there? Was he placed in a life or death decision? And how on Earth is this guy going to act like the terrorists these men are killing are unarmed prisoners that have done nothing wrong. They are killing savages that have had countless atrocities against innocent people. Nothing he says has any level of credibility due to lack of factual evidence. I guess where I am getting act is even if these claims are true, mutiliation of a corpse may be an illegal war crime, but how is it anymore unethical to shoot the guy from order (probably from the president) if they are already dead....it'd be one thing if they are alive, but every account he mentions they are dead.
Vince K you forget
There are so many things wrong with what you said. You can't mutilate a body just because its dead or terrorist or both. you are a world class moron and do not belong in civilized society please go live in shit holes like Kandahar. People like you do not belong in America.
They’re not “the most elite”
RIGHT YOU ARE VINCE THE NAVY SEALS ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST AND MATT COLE SHOULD SHUT THE HELL UP FOREVER
Imagine outrage over doing that to a guy responsible for killing thousands of people's lives
War is ugly !!
a lot of folks miss the point...its not about the violence or killing...we understand that is part of war and especially targeting leaders of a terrorist group. The problem is the SEAL's declining organizational culture and the Navy's failures to correct those problems. You cant have the elite special forces group rife with discipline problems, war crimes, and self-promotion/monetization of their active duty deeds.
The “canoed” heads in the binder at the stumpmuster was my favorite part of the whole interview
I wonder if Cole and her ever watched and listened to the people who were forced to jump outta the twin towers. People on the ground say the body was found in pieces….. I have NO remorse for Osama bin Laden!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
No it was not murder. It was taking out of the clearer of a terrorist organization we are at war with.
This guy has absolutely no evidence to back up his account. He just expects us to believe that he knows what actually happened before, during, and after the raid took place.
The Linda Norgrove story is infuriating. Team Six knew she was effectively an MI6 asset. Somehow an assaulter grenades the room where she's expected to be, and kills her. Then they try to cover it up. What a shit show.
It was by accident 🤷♂️
So were you.
@@g3tshotheettit’s not the mistake that’s unforgivable, it’s the attempt to change the narrative because the truth would be embarrassing. So disrespectful to the memory of that woman, when they had already been responsible for her death. The least they could do is own up to the mistake.
Remind me of bin Laden raid where a soldier dives on a grenade
That’s not what happened all. That was the UK medias version of that event (not what actually happened).. Linda was moved by an Al Qaeda fighter out of a structure during the night assault and the ISR UAV did not see this happen.. Linda was completely out in the open when the enemy fighter holding her opened fire on the outer cordon security team. One of the SEALs who was suppressing the enemy had a jam in his belt fed LMG, and he deployed a frag grenade to keep the momentum and get his weapon back up and running. Its absolute BS and boarder line incompetent to suggest the SEALs just threw a frag into a room with out any thought. This was all documented in the book Relentless Strike by award winning writer and war correspondent Sean Naylor
Sometimes you don’t have to see how justice was served, just trust that it was served.
Those two seals are now banned from the seal team 6 headquarters, along with only one other former seal to ever be banned from their hq
Cole's new book 'Code Over Country' is great.
What is the exact location on the forehead for a canoe. Is it always at the same spot?
Top and middle of the forehead is the goal
Re-posting from part 1: It is worrying to see so many apologists for this kind of unnecessary violence. Hypocrisy amongst so-called "freedom loving" people is astounding - the very same people who will defend these psychopaths as merely conducting acts of warfare will be the first to condemn a Talib for doing the same to an enemy of theirs. Also, by calling these kinds of soldiers psychopaths, I am not insulting them: these are fighters who are chosen precisely for their capacity for enacting this kind of violence without mercy, a universal truth regarding all such "elite units", many of whom will go into the private sector as brutal mercenaries.
A good book on such a private unit is 'Keenie Meenie: The British Mercenaries who Got Away with War Crimes' by Phil Miller. These were mostly ex-SAS (an infamous British elite unit) fighters that utterly brutalised people all over the world, where people were fighting against the dying British Empire for their own liberation. Nowadays, such soldiers will go onto service the interests of the American Empire, and most people will have no idea where they are or what they are doing, but as this book and others show, governments have a pretty good idea but will always turn a blind eye.
It is all well and good to try and justify these killers under the illusion that they are keeping you safe, but history tells us a few things: One is that countries, nations and lands that have been exploited by colonialism, attempted to free themselves and have either done so, thus becoming enemies of western imperialism or have sold-out, and allowed themselves to become puppet-regimes of the very same imperialist core, all have something in common: they are powder kegs, almost constantly at war, sometimes invaded by the west, sometimes fighting amongst themselves (including within their own borders) or being brutalised by economic warfare via tactics such as sanctions. Fun fact: the sanctions placed against Iraq from the early 90s up until the ultimate US-led invasion killed more people than Saddam Hussein's regime did. And what is Iraq now, except for a failed state, fighting amongst itself along sectarian lines?
Another thing is that, when the interests of the powerful are threatened, these very units may be unleashed upon the people of the nation they are supposed to protect. The aforementioned SAS committed atrocities in the British occupied part of Ireland, for just one example, but throughout history you will find many examples, all across the globe. The most pertinent to us comes as a part of the question of the looming threat of fascism. History shows us that those guns may well be turned against the people when the ruling class is in trouble. Americans love their guns: what do you think they are for? They are to protect you from being skinned alive by the forces of reaction - the men who kill without mercy and are always and forever "only following orders".
Are the SEAL teams the only American SF organization to commit war crimes??? I think its quite unfair to single out one unit simply because of the publics infatuation with them.... Many people are quick to judge and condemn when they themselves have no idea what its like to exist in that type of environment.... Watch your loved ones be slaughtered and see how primal you become, and that goes for both sides... Afghans are just as HUMAN as Americans....
"he was canoed" yeah dude thats what happens when a high caliber round hits the head. just because you make up a name for it doesn't mean it's anything special or exclusive
counter-terrorism is when you terrorize the terrorist.
Seals killing the enemy...meh zero shites given.
I always chuckle when I hear SEALs described as 'silent professionals'.
this is what lil info we hear going on imagen thr stories trough out the middle east of the crimes we committed i can only imagen
This is an example of degrading morals and ethics that will spread like poison.
So the point of this is...?
You mean, murdering innocents?
M M M MONEY
Winston Smith in Oceania what innocents lol
Go back to making bullshit talking points about “what if cops didn’t exist huh liberal hur dur.” You’re a fucking partisan hack little bitch who can’t accept that even SEAL TEAM MEMBERS themselves are disgusted by their brothers actions! Did you even watch the whole video?? You’re just using old, useless rhetoric that I can wipe your fucking face clean with.
Abu prisoners in Afghanistan. The attacks on the USA were designed and trained by the US military not Afghan people.
How is OBL not being armed even in the conversation????????????? Were 3000 innocent civilians armed? Wth?
I salute Seal Team 6, well done🇺🇸Much respect. Reporters agenda questionable? Narrative questionable?
NSWC as a whole is questionable...the most vain special operations org ever!
Soft ass hippie
at the time i didn't believe bin laden was even there. it was all so dodgy. i guess this could be how it went down.. just too grusome to be able to document.
SkidRowRadio I agree, rumors said he was already dead.
SkidRowRadio Sill though , the body/face was UN recognizable. . ............
The British and Benazir Bhutto had always said he was long dead. His Liver condition was too extreme to have survived that long in the mountains and on the run.
Being forced to either jump 90 stories or burn to death is also pretty *gruesome. Being stabbed in the neck with a box-cutter is gruesome as well.
Why do you feel sorry for a terrorist that killed 3,000 Americans?
Hans Blitz Do you *really* believe that fairy tale? I guess you still believe Saddam Hussein was involved as well. And the "babies from incubators" line. And Oswald the one and only shooter. And the Tonkin incident. Wow.
nisslaz
That's deep bruh.
We don't have a conflict with Afghan people or Syrian people. The people who attacked the USA on 911 were rogue Egyptian and sudanese soldiers trained by the US military training camps in Afghanistan established by the US military and guarded by US military soldiers. The afghan people were not involved in the training camps or the attacks on 911.
I wonder how many people know that? I’m also curious why Afghanistan was invaded? It seems a fractured, poor and deeply isolated place. Hardly the foundation for a global terrorist scheme.
The President of the U.S wanted Osama Bin Laden killed. I’m sure it would have suited the interviewer better if the man that organised terrorist attacks on the U.S killing thousands, had been had been arrested quietly, treated with kid-gloves and given a nice air conditioned jail cell for a few years before being repatriated back to his home. Meanwhile back on Earth, this man was shot dead and is gone forever. No doubt it was nasty , brutal with no consideration for the niceties. But accusing the soldiers that followed the President’s orders and completed this operation , of doing anything other than their job, is wrong. OBL needed to die, they did it , a job which very few could and would do, and I don’t care what happened. Acts of cruelty ? Try being on the upper floors of the burning twin towers with no escape possible, try thinking about those people who thought that their best option was to jump to their deaths. Is that cruel enough ?
Its "quiet professional ".... and it always seems guys who punch keys for a living try to dethrone the actions of the warrior class.
Well said beta men seem to always do this shit guess it keeps them relevant.
Fuck you and your "warrior class"! SEAL team 6 and the likes of them are nothing but a bunch of government paid murderers that enjoy committing atrocities against mostly defenceless people in foreign countries that never posed a threat to your "democracy" or your "freedom". Cowards that openly brag about needless killings of innocent men women and children, knowing they are safely shielded from being held accountable for their despicable acts that no honourable man would want to have part of.
zürihegel Defenseless?? Hahaha right.
He did a good job no matter how bad it sound
He answered straight up truth. An that's all we ask for with real news tell us and don't let us find out later
How do you know it’s the truth?
The first victim of war is the truth. But respect for the Warriors who fight when you are sleeping at night in your bed. ⚔️🇺🇸
They didnt want him tried or jailed, too many variables and he becomes a martyr to be avenged by all his followers. He had to be killed, there had to be proof and his body had to be permanently disposed of, all of which happened.
I will get my milspec tear jar for this one.
Bad Santa hahaha...good one!
Bad Santa says the liberals who are to pussy to even deploy hahahahaha
I never believed they killed him and still don't. There can be only 1 reason no photos of him dead were released?
You should actually watch the video your commenting on
I am thankful for all the US Military and especially Seal Team Six for killing BinLaden and all the other terrorists in the compound with him.
Where did you get your information, totally false.
Thanks for reporting.
So Linda Norgrove was a spy, that is god damn fascinating
There are real men, Alphas, Sigmas…. And the beta boys who write about them.
That the government is allowing these two seals to do this should give everyone pause.
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When a person or group commits acts of terror, and refuses to fight under the flag of a nation, they are outlaws by definition. The world community will sooner or later bring them to justice.
@Bobb Grimley You have to be a savage to fight savages.
anyone rembering what the hell us troops are doing in afghanistan, besides protecting the poppy fields...
Hunting down and killing off terrorist splinter cells, buildings schools water Wells, rebuilding ruined country. Training police and military and spreading democracy.
Whaaaaaaacking Tangos!!
Am I the only one that thinks what our special operators do on missions is their business?
The character Osama bin laden is a person trained by the US military training camps in Afghanistan.
America has known this not long after 9/11 tower bombings
'Why do they hate us?'
Just a couple left wing extremists being left wing extremists.
Too bad President Trump wasn’t an office he would have released the photos… to prove that we did really get him
Seals don't go to war to provide law and order.
I want an investigation on who stole his original Nintendo and game controller. Dudes room looked like a college dorm circa 1992.
Best comment.
That's Classified.
I think Seal Team 6 was there in the studio tapping their axes on metal!
Seal team became a franchise to sell . They want to sell no matter what .
During Vietnam, the troops engaged in “”ears for beers”.
Hatchets are not irrelevant on the battlefield today. They're fully functional in breaching doors, opening / breaking pad locks and as a close combat weapon. It can also be used as a prying device and other field utilities. You should probably have someone from the military advise you as to help you avoid anymore misinformation.
Kris Says: it IS useless when you have unlimited resources to fucking do the shit you just said
Or you could you know, just get a crowbar or a utility knife that does the same thing.
cmon bro...they were given the hatchets in order to bond with their images as the "red" team.....get them bloody on the battlefield as a badge of honor.....no one used the to break down doors.....it was all for bravado and ego ....they were expected to bloody them to prove they belonged...all tribal, clique mentality
There are stories of pitched battles where men without ammo resorted to using their entrenching tools and bayonets.
True journalism!
But dangerous...😬😕
HEY MATT COLE DONT MESS WITH THE NAVY SEALS THEY GOT THE MOST HARDEST JOBS OF ANYONE THEY RISK THEIR LIVES EVERY TIME THEY GO OUT TO DO THEIR WORK YOU GOT IT EASY MATT YOUR A REPORTER
Do you know how many crimes are committed against SEAL TEAM 6 members? You would tell me to shut up and get medicine because it's too horrible.
keep playing call of duty
This guy is a snitch. War is hell and you gotta fight fire with fire. Bravo to the seals who can fight like savages. These guys are hero’s I’d like to see this guy go to battle he’d piss is pants.
No he's a journalist. Reporting the truth is his job.
He's a journalist, the snitches are the 18 SEAL Team 6 members who were his sources.
Think about it your trained to be a elite warrior, you see your brothers in battle die at the hands of a enemy that would love to cut your head off. I can see their side of it kinda like in Nam when they dealt death cards. Like it or not WAR is hell and things happen in the heat of battle.
great interview
Rob never said ubl had a gun
The children who spoke to soldiers guarding the training camps in Afghanistan are still waiting for hearing or trial in Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
In my humble opionion this is one of the best videos of 2018.
Bin Laden died in 2001 you cunts are fucking idiots!
off-guardian.org/2015/05/15/how-many-times-can-one-man-die-the-disputed-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/
www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/19/afghanistan.oliverburkeman
War is dark place i grow up in one,i just want to know what inspire people like Cole to investigate the people like Team 6.When i hear about hero i want to congratulate him on victory and say thank you.
Because you are a clueless dipshit.
where did he get this information?
He tells you in the video.
No he doesn't
Talking before or after the service within a short time is a death sentence by secret tribunal.
Lies about lies about a lie .....
Wrong
It's a headshot, not a "canoeing". The term is a joking way to describe the gore of the wound. Gallows humor. "Dude, his head split right open right down the middle, just like a canoe!" I imagine follow-up headshots are common practice in a war zone. Still, shame they couldn't have taken OBL alive, or at least gotten photo evidence.
Decapitation is pretty damn unprofessional, though. Not cool, bro.
"Canoeing" is one, very specific type of head shot, which according to the article, was an intended signature of SEAL Team 6 during the first few years in Afghanistan & Iraq.. Most head shots can't create that result.
The "Head on a Platter" event occurred on Manning's 20th Birthday.
I think this whole report is bunk and a journalistic form of virtue signaling, trying to take as much perceived dirtiness or impropriety out in favor of a "clean" or politically correct war. These things just aren't worth prosecuting over or admonishing soldiers over, except for the bloodletting videos which can expose our soldiers to psychological harm and is cruel to the victims. Like you said, a gunshot wound to the head is going to cause a wound, sometimes a big one, it is the most humane way of ending a life using a firearm, it's difficult to hit the heart and is a much more excrutiating way for a person to be killed. And then the part at the end where they're trying to tie this all to Trump because a guy used government money for plane rides, I'm sorry but this just isn't that big a deal. They're scraping for a story on our people when the murders and torture by terrorists are far worse.
I'm guessing you are talking about this video not "this whole report". If not, go to the Intercept site and read the entire 65-page report - which includes the fact that there is photo evidence, but that it's greatly tarnished because of the improper (unnecessary and against direct orders) head shots.
The Report (not this video about the report) was put together from two years of research - including interviewing many SEALs (current and former). To call the report "bunk" is to dishonor the honest recollections of the many SEALs who were there - and who honor their oaths by not seeking public acclaim for the work they do (vs. the couple that have done so and in a dishonest manner).
Are you seriously trying to justify these actions? It's disgusting to think of how many civilians have been killed by US forces during this 15 year long war. The fact that your trying to justify shooting someone in the head at close range, EVEN after they have been found out to JUST BE CIVILIANS, shows how disconnected you are with the reality of destruction in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and Gaza
I think the point of this video, from Democracy Now's anti-war perspective, is to illustrate that US soldiers have in a sense "stooped down" to the ethical playing field of their combatants.
To whatever extent this is fully true we will likely never know, but the vast majority of us will never have to deal with the grief of observing a close friend mutilated from 40m away.
It is, after all, unique to our era that civilians own the luxury of peering in on what soldiers do in combat
The enemy is free to slaughter us, as well as innocent men, women and children however they see fit. We, however, are held to a ridiculously high standard, to be non-emotional professional soldiers. I wish our own countrymen and women would not hold us to a standard significantly higher than the one that the enemy is held to. Should we really be capable of killing the enemy if we are entirely unemotional? What's more scary an unemotional person capable of wanton killing, or a human being who gets emotional and perhaps commits the occasional atrocity?
Allen Chancellor
There’s something called Americanism, you should fucking learn morals of a civilized military and society before spouting bullshit.
Is this guy against the USA? Seal team 6 gets the objectives done. United we stand.
What’s the difference between a terrorist sympathizers and terrorist empathizers? This piece garners both.
Osama showed zero respect for human life.
Have no mercy, show no mercy. 👍👋
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another chapter from the The Decline And Fall Of the US Empire
Fake news.
He is ignorant. Captain's mast... particularly, admirals mast can kill a career.
I saw that too. It didn't make sense what he said. If McRaven had to come down, then that SO's career was OVER!