Electronic Wastegate TESTED [Turbosmart New Product 2020]
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Turbosmart's new line of Electronic Wastegates are set to take boost control by storm! And we power up and test one! Watch and see how it compares to a traditional external gate.
Special introductory prices!
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The GenV WG60 PowerGate60 External Wastegate is a Motorsport proven, cost effective external wastegate - The largest in the Turbosmart GenV range and the Highest Flowing Wastegate in the World.
Starting with a Turbosmart’s GenV wastegate body, you can be confident the mounting orientation will match your existing manifold & outlet hardware. The GenV PowerGate60 already had class leading flow capacity & heat handling characteristics. Now featuring the Turbosmart Patent Pending eWG actuator system, you can be sure of unparalleled control aswell.
There are no springs, no hoses and no boost reference signal, nor any of the limitations associated with any of them. Gone are ‘Minimum’ boost levels associated with base spring pressure or the heat related issues with hoses. If your manifold priority is good enough, you can set your boost anywhere from zero up to ‘All of it’ - All from your laptop or tuning interface
Available in
45mm HyperGate45 eWG -TS-0553-1502
60mm PowerGate60 eWG -TS-0555-1502
Features
Class Leading, CFD & Bench Validated Flow Performance
Nitronic 60 Valve Guide & High Temp 347 SS Body
Liquid Cooled, Electronic Actuator
Strap Type V-band clamps
User Adjustable Actuator Position
Onboard Analog 0-5V Wastegate Position Sensor
Onboard Analog 0-5V Actuator Temperature Sensor
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How exactly has this not been done before? Drag racers are always changing out those damn springs. Turbosmart ftw
Looking forward to see that in the beast, and can’t wait to hear it....
Not exactly small in size, but lucky you have loads of room, until you pipe the turbo and intercooler. Please upload video's more often.
This is probably one of the best builds on youtube right now. Keep it up guys.
Thanks for that demo Tristan. I saw them at SEMA and it blew my mind. I just checked the price off your site (so thankyou for being a legend and doing that, others have been saying P.O.A. 🤬) and ouch, I got one of my 2860RS's for the same price as the 60mm. 😂👍
Ever since we saw the SEMA thing I've been hanging out to get one!! or maybe four. Glad you enjoyed the watch!
I'm probably the only one who even thought of this watching this, but I like the idea of items like that not coming with extra instructions sheets - it will save on alot of wasted paper
This should be an excellent tuning piece!!!
this the future of racing, never seen it somewhere (in the aftermarket) apart from SEMA last year.
My 2020 Forte GT has a electronic wastegate. The OE"s have been doing it for awhile now, it was only a matter of time. 60 ft times are about to drop again. EWG is available on the Burger JB4 on the Stinger but not on the Forte GT yet and I think the PnP Motec M142 will work on the Forte GT.
@@dj4monie correct me if i am wrong but i think mercedes and maybe mclaren also use EWG's on some of their cars, not really shure though.
Was learning about turbo systems recentky and was wondering why no-one had done an electrically controled wastegate.
Reliability has been a factor. That's a lot of heat right there at the turbo outlet. To have electronics that would reliably work after extensive heat cycles is what comes into question. The technology is finally coming to light.
@@Whereismy10mm I would have thought a suitable insulating material such as Tufnel would be able to isolate the electronics.
@@Whereismy10mm exactly what I was thinking!
@@stav2002 it would make the packaging too bulky. Oem turbos are usually already crammed in as it is
How was it done?
THIS IS VERY EXCITING AS IM BUILDING A NEW PROJECT CAR!
I’m ready to see more testing of these. The scary thing to me is the failure mode. Maybe redundancy would be wise???
seems allot of failures though?
I feel like a barrel valve style would be more compact. Be similar the the exhaust powervalve on some two stroke engines.
Would I still need to run 2 of them on my dual wastegate setup? Or better question do I need to buy a new manifold with a single gate flange to run this?
If anyone want to add one of these to an ECU that is not capable of supplying enough power, I have made a small H bridge driver that can supply 20A continuous about the size of a credit card 👍
That’s cool! Does it accept a PWM input or does it run off a lower amperage h bridge driver as an input ?
@@QUICKSHIFTtv logic level to 12v PWM, l'll shoot you a message with some pics 👍
Hey can you email me with the solution gregyarmi@gmail.com
@@gregoryyarmarkov5626 will do
Interested in speaking with you about this if you are still into it all.
Given what wastegates go for, I’m very tempted to try developing one of these myself.
This is great. Right up to the point that it comes unplugged or the motor fails and you cram 90 psi into your motor.
I don't see the passion in making things more complicated than they need be. I can see the applications but I also know what 20 year old electronics are like and cringe to think about the issues cars will have in future when FFR and autopilot and things like go wrong.
What’s more complicated.. wires driving a motor or two vacuum hoses running to a solenoid with wires that run to a housing with a moving and perishable diaphragm in it...
I would argue that turbosmart vastly simplified the whole thing and removed heaps of failure points!
No more split or blown vac hoses for starters! Or jammed MAC boost control valves
If a manual waste gate fails you automatically default to spring pressure, I.e. boost goes down.
If this idea fails and it sticks closed you go to infinite boost.
Whenever you automate anything it adds failure points.
You see more 1960s Mercedes Benz on the road then you do 1990s, for instance.
There’s so many ways an external gate can fail creating overboost.
Leaking diaphragm, blown vac hose, seized valve in closed position, jammed MAC valve in the wrong position for the layout.. I see what you’re saying but at the same time I think you might be glorifying the reliability of traditional gates... they go wrong often!
In any case, if you have an ECU worth using, you have overboost protection
Exactly. This is why boost cut is a thing... No big deal 👍
@@taicr80 assuming it works properly.
An electronic wastegate with a stepper motor?! Hell Yeah! But will it push the valve shut when activated?
That minuscule movement is a leak point. Also it looks two times heavier than the basic model. These are major factors when building a race car.
As I expected it would work. It looks like it may be adjusted without a spring and only a actuator so the wastegate is under constant control. Looks like the wastegate motor will need to run constantly to open and close as your driving. I would have gone slightly different I still would have installed a spring but one that is compressed by a actuator to the correct pressure and that needs no power until you want to adjust the pressure. 2 ways to kill a cat I guess lol my design has less wear and tear. Rik
Informative. Thanks.
Pretty cool
any update on how it works? i heard it needs to be water cooled and can only be moving the valve for 5 seconds at a time
Why does Australia which is as far as I know a metric country still talk about pounds of boost
Because they deal with uncouth "Muricans! FWIW, the US has "officially" been a metric country for a long time- that said, until the ISO standards, that affect all inbound trade to the EU and several of our other trading partners (Japan) US mfg's weren't very serious about it. Since that point, the move has been greatly accelerated- even the oil biz, long dominated by some pretty reactionary attitudes, now almost exclusively uses metric, except in announcements outside it's core groups.
We have been gradually becoming more imperial as the US dictates what we do and control our market. Imperial should be illegal.
What size an lines you used for the ewastegate water cooling
hi bro. i am using ecu elite 2500 haltech latest one . bro i need the wiring diagram for hyper gate 45 electric wastegate
Oh, now this is trick
All the giggiddy😀
I asked turbosmart what happens in a fuse blown/power out situation and they could not answer me as to what position the gate will be in. Anyone know?
It would remain in its last powered state. It operates essentially like on a worm drive gear and has no springs or other self-actuating mechanism.
I wonder what response will be like.
Either like a mild mannered, eyeglasses wearing g'ma going grocery shopping or an unmannered, glasses wearing car nerd going "hell yeah"! Just press the red button once for a mild go, or mash the crap out of it and hold on to your stones, man!
Where can I order one ?
goto.wtf
Good Lord!! 800 to 1000 $$$$ no thanks. I will just just change springs as needed.
Well someone's gonna be selling me a pair, what emtron ecu did you go with?
For the supra? ECU still TBA. But my MR2 has an EMtron KV8 and it’s lovely!
So Tristan. You are going with twin intake headlights right? & a intercooler that hangs below the bumper..
I mean it wouldn't be an Aussie twin turbo build without them......... xD
Why are you giving people bad information? These gates need a steady 20amp current with a peak even higher. So tell me what ecu can support these? Possibly the high end motec but dont quote me. Haltech 2500 cant, infinity cant. It's going to be a few years before these can be used.
Why are YOU giving people bad information? The current requirements are publicly published on the turbosmart website and what you state is absolutely false and incorrect. The gate uses high current for burst movements only and position hold or slow movements when modulating position require very low to no current. EMtron has videos of their ECUs running these gates on 20A drivers. I'm sure more ECUs will announce support in time.
In theory even low current drivers can be programmed to operate the gate, at reduced peak movement speed.
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So sit the fuck down.
How much current do these gates draw?
25A max I think the spec was, but they will operate with less... just slower.
@@QUICKSHIFTtv You wouldn't believe how long it took me to find a Autosport Connector with 7-8 pins that can handle 2 size 4 pins. lol But I found it! Why I made the decision to go 100% Autosport and pot everything lol. Cheers for the info, thought it was around 20 - 25A, I wonder how far the Current will climb? Stall Current is at a sky high 60A on these, so I wonder if people will see over 40A when really pushing these motors hard with pressure?
@@BUZDRIFT my understanding is that due to the worm drive gear kind of movement, very little current is required to hold position and make minor adjustments regardless of boost pressure. The high current draw is only momentary as it rapidly opens or shuts.
@@QUICKSHIFTtv Yeah, true, these gates have zero back drive indeed! So yeah Holding requires no current but my pondering question, kinda to myself and well, other like yourself is what will the peak current be when trying to move at 80psi or greater? Turbosmart always under quote their stuff, so if they say 80-psi limit it might move over 120psi but not be great for the motor. Thank fk I found Souriau 8STA range!
Yeah, I'm not paying 4 figures for a wastegate.
I spy an Emtron ECU.... KV8 Maybe?
Bingo
@@QUICKSHIFTtv is this for the Supra? If it is I think they can only handle two drive motors at a time? With the Supra it maybe three.. DBW and 2 Electronic WGs
@@KiG1208 No way :D The supra is going to need a lot more computer. About 4 times more.
@@QUICKSHIFTtv can’t wait for the next episode... I’m going through similar dilemma with my project but with half the cylinders
That ecu cant support this
Or that engine bay make my mouth drippling...
Final product is going to be off its tits. Half mile domination?
That's not a test...
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$800 wastegate and they cant even give you wire connectors on the end
Are you taking the piss? What connector do you want them to give you? A generic one that you'd have to cut off anyway? Most people are going to wire this into a harness of some kind anyway or may want to use one of many different types of connectors.....
@@magnetic0314 yeah generic butt connectors would've been nice. Who cares if you're gonna cut them off, if I'm spending $800 on a wastegate I want my god damn 2 cent connectors
Are you blind or what?
Can't you see that this drive is very slow! ???