No its a trailrunner with lugs. On concrete check something like the Torin or Escalante. Both Altras. Or get some Topo Athletics. Same design philosophie but more durable.
You can walk concrete but not run jogging and running. No one should be running marathon it's most ridiculous idea and millions of fools do it. If something hurts stop doing it. And you got un sub for the click bait. Ha
Why is this so hard to find? Foot-shaped shoes with cushioned soles?! Altra is the only brand I found and you can't buy it in my county. Yes, I can order them online from overseas, but I don't even know my true size. I have WIDE feet and have worn like 2-3 sizes+ for several years. Barefoot shoes are not an option as I have a painful joint condition and cannot even stand on soft floors without feeling pain in my feet and hips.
Exactly? Why? 😩 All I want is space for my toes. I don't feel the need to be "grounded" or whatever, although, having flexibility in the shoe to flex your feet freely is also nice.
Have you tried Lems? Not cushioned, but depending on the model they range between a 8mm-10mm thick rubber sole with an additional 4mm inner sole. Thick enough to have you protected. Use their Primal2 model on days i feel a bit sore. Cushion itself though other than Altra, Topo is another brand to check out that is foot-shaped. I run in in them.
I also wanted foot-shaped shoes with cushioned soles. But Altra's still too cushioned for my need. So I went for Strike Mvmnt. Shoes from Strike Mvmnt still have a 4mm drop and might not be as wide as Altra or some other barefoot shoes out there. But I actually feel like they are wider than a pair of Vivobarefoot Primus Lite, and they are perfect for my need.
Yeah. I hate that you can buy cheap shoes with cushion and comfortable materials, but not wide toe box. I don't care much about zero drop, but I'm all in for comfy shoes and clothes. I see zero reasons to squish my toes in a narrow shoe, but such are all the shoes I can afford :(
I've come across the same situation. After years of use I have pain almost everyday. Mostly due to me waking on concrete more. I will be continuing to wear wide toe box shoes but will transition to something similar to what you tried out.
I alternate between higher/lower stack height shoes for normal wear & even with my running shoes, but always wear wide toebox; its great having options depending on how your feeling / recovery!
I don't understand the argument that barefoot shoes should be used on concrete. It's hard to compare it to "the ancestors of people who used to run barefoot all their lives." There was no concrete then, people had a different anatomy of movement, for example, they were shorter. With the development of technology, it is possible to combine the knowledge of healthy movement and comfort. Do not squeeze your toes, however, have some protection from continuous hard ground and choose the right drop.
@@eliefeinstein6182No. Because we are not those hominins, and there's a difference between "rocky terrain" with patches of earth and straight flat surfaces of concrete. I'd also point out to those irresponsible (I would assume) anthropologist that they should also mention to people that for tens of thousands of years humans have been wearing protective footwear and constantly improving the technology for a safer and more comfortable experience that increases performance. Contrary to popular belief our ancestors were NOT walking around barefoot, they often used sandals made of woven reeds and other such materials. The problem with the whole barefoot shoes thing in my opinion is they are entirely unnecessary. There's wide fit shoes of every single style, including skate shoes which have this vaunted "zero drop" sole because ... they need to be flat. And they usually happen to be wide. I'd argue the supposed benefits people see from them are more psychological than physiological and the result of simply being more active.
There are tribes (the ones that have not been destroyed yet) who still walk around barefoot today. Even when our ancestors used shoes they were made of thin material made just enough to provide protection. Rocky terrain is also a thing. I know people who can run on stones without a problem. I know people aren't making "scientific" arguments but these kinds of arguments are still empirical in that have actually taken off shoes and tested it out themselves. Of course going barefoot with you head full of thoughts or while engaged on the phone is different from being completely connected with the environment. When it's the latter, your body (of which the foot is a part) will organize itself better using feedback from the environment as opposed to you thinking about foot strikes, cushioning and whatnot. I think worrying about cushioning too mich itself could be a psychological thing.
The crazy part I started with altras because of the zero drop. And now Lems. But I guess in my situation knowing I’m mostly on cement I figured I would always need more cushion. I thing for everyday shoes they need have more padding. For specific use case like weight lifting and other sports you will need more barefoot less padding shoes. My approach has always been to go gradually first before going all out.
One more con about ground feel - it is freezing in winter. I don't want to feel COLD ground! That's the reason I stopped wearing my Xero boots. I really love my Altras. Hope they will start making some more casual shoes in the future.
It's not a con because it's marketed at people who already want ground feel. If you don't want ground feel that's a different thing and those shoes are not for you. Btw, depending on the temperature I would like to feel the ground just as cold as it is, and I have done it myself without shoes of course with caution. The real problem is the salt they sprinkle everywhere which can be caustic.
I can vouch for this shoe. I found the Loan Peaks around 3 years ago when I bought them for trail running. However I didn't get on with them for trail running as the grip is uselss for wet UK trails IMO. BUT they were so comfy to wear, I have used them every day since (on my 3rd pair) as my general shoe. I run in usual shoes with varying drops, but I find wearing the loan peaks for general everyday use has been a game changer. I really think it has helped me stay injury free (touch wood) as it helps to stretch out my achiles and maintain stronger feet. I would recomend these to anyone as you get the benefts of zero drop with lot of cusion. I only wish they did a jet black pair so they look better when wearing to the office. Very comfy and recomend to anyone!
They have the alpine pair which I got because they do look pretty nice and are mainly black. Also I’m the same as I bought them knowing I am always on concrete and I know it’s not possible all the time. Lone peaks are the coolest shoes I’ve ever worn. I want to just hoard them so I always have them lol
I find that combining altra shoes with naboso insoles provides the best of both worlds for human-made surfaces. The altra keeps the zero-drop and wide toe box, while the naboso insole provides the necessary sensory feedback that is lost when you add the extra cushion
You bought the wrong altras if you’re going for ground feel. They have a plastic shank which takes away from that experience. More protection, less ground feel. The superiors don’t have the shank and will give you less cushion by a few mm. Still wear more comfy than barefoot on tarmac. They actually do a gym shoes aswell called the solstice. (I’ve never used them) The lone peaks have taken the place of my hiking boots, I use them for 15k plus or if it’s really wet out and entering woodlands (got waterproof ones)
I am also going to try Altras. I've had exactly the same experience - after 2 years of wearing barefoot shoes, my feet started to hurt. I also walk on concrete most of the time. 🙈
About the sizes... your shoe size changes throughout the day. I used to wear 42-43 but i bought my vivo shoes at 44 (even though they were a bit big). Turns out, in the morning (which is when i bought them) they were big, but in the evening they fit me just right. This goes on on your whole body btw. We get "bigger" as the day goes on. Not a big difference for clothes but for shoes it is
Not sure if they'd be wide enough for you but maybe try giving the Lems Primal Pursuits a shot. I know you weren't too much of a fan of the Primal Zens but since youre looking for some more cushion now I think the Pursuits would be worth a try. They look better than the Zens imo as well.
Dude you are rolling with your heel first on concrete. It’s supposed to be toes to heel on hard surfaces. The heel to toe is only for walking on grass, forest or very soft surfaces. If you switch that you are fine. I’m a 120kg and I run on concrete all day. If you have the right technique it does not hurt a bit.
That's wrong. You're supposed to land heel first (but with little force), then roll over the side to the front (more specially, the triangle of medial and lateral ball of your foot and your big toe). Don't believe me? Try walking barefoot, watch videos on African tribes or natural gait.
@@felix-dk9trif I’m understanding you correctly with the rolling over the side-to-front (like outside of the foot?), I don’t think that’s correct. That loads the Achilles tendon and plantar fascia improperly, and can cause calf issues and tendonitis.
I bought a shoe called Arcus from a swedish company called Wyde Footwear. It is wide at the toe and has some cushion, and it feels better than the other barefoot brands I’ve tried. (For reference my feet are 25.3cm long and 10.3cm across at the toes. I have a narrow midfoot and heel.) My problem with the Arcus is looks awful on me. Too chunky for my short, squat legs. But for long legs and high volume feet, it might look better. I bear with the weird looks because these are the only shoes I’ve tried wide enough at the toe for me.
Thanks for posting this! How many milimeters of sole with insole (total) would you say would be sufficient for support on concrete. I keep seeing this same comment over and over again- that barefoot insoles aren't enough cushion for concrete. I just ordered the Icarus because it has more cushion, 4mm sole plus 4mm insole. I also just ordered some Vivos, but think their thin insoles won't be a good fit for hard surfaces. I'm looking at the Topo brand now. Obviously, I'm just getting started, so thanks so much for underlining this concern.
@@PeteOnPurposeSO GLAD you're feeling better. Hope they heal completely so they don't hold you back. I know you'll come back stronger than before. That's what pain does if it is overcome. By the way, your posts have helped me so much with my learning. Gonna try to get these flippers of mine functional! That's what modern shoes have done to my feet. At least, I started wearing wider toe box shoes a long time ago. After that, my hammer toes straightened out. (Ugh, women's shoes!) I haven't been able to wear regular shoes for decades, only SAS and sandals.
Thank you, my feet are feeling a lot better. I really should rest them completely but I struggle to sit still. 😅 I cant imagine how difficult it is for womens feet with all the high heels and pointy shoes that are commonly worn. This is the year we sort out our flippers! 😊
The Lems primal is a great zero drop shoe with a wide toe box. They’re trail shoes so they have good tread but they’re made of leather and are super cute so hey work as daily shoe. I get so many compliments on mine (I have the blue). I have used them for day to day use, longer hikes (13+ miles) and running 2-4 miles.l and they have held up great. I used to get shin splints every time I ran and haven’t gotten them since making the switch :)
Higher stack height is good for short term comfort. The shortcoming is its prone to pronation and cause related injuries. Imagine if it was 5 times higher instead of 2.5 times. How much height is enough? Id be interested to see your long term pain/injury progression with these. Id argue anything closer to barefoot is optimal as long as you transition easy or you are strong enough to take on the road.
In the event that the Altra quality goes down. Try Topo Athletic. I've switched to Topo after seeing my Altra Escalante's wear out after like 4 months of intermediate use.
I own hiking shoes, and trail runners but when I bought my latest pair of shoes, got a barefoot shoe. For me the difference is like moving from a sedan to a small SUV. The majority of walking I do on a regular basis is on soft carpeted spaces or patches of paved road/sidewalks and the barefoot I've found is the most comfortable and user friendly for those type of environments. If your life is centred around a modern city, I don't think you need much more.
I use minimalist barefoot sandals for everyday walk and road running, and altra shoes for trail running. I think you should consider road running altra shoes if you want to use altra for daily walk.
@@PeteOnPurpose toebox should be similar, but lone peak designed for trail run, it has rock plate which doesn't exist altra's road running shoes. Also the thread on your altra will be eaten road or pavement if you use it for faster walk or run. I think road running altra such as escalante would be better for former miminalist barefoot shoe user who wants bit more cushion, it's also lighter than lone peak or any other altra's trail running shoes. But if you enjoy using it on both road and trail, but doesn't want to have two different shoe, then stick with lone peak or maybe try altra superior if you want to get a bit lighter.
The happy medium is Be Lenka Barebarics. More cushion then xeros, WAY more than Vivo But still wide foot shaped and with a decent amount of ground feel!! AMAZING quality!! Funny I seem to hit the wall around the 2-year mark as well! I needed to spend longer in my Barebarics and Splay Rev LTs But it always feels great coming back to a pair of zeros without insoles!!! Much love to my global barefoot community!!!
I'm really trying to get my head around this issue myself as i have knee pain but i've also spent a lot of my working life on my feet. The way i see it is this if you're walking mainly on uneven surfaces such as a builder you'll need a stiff sole to protect your feet from igegulaties in the ground. If you're skipping though meadows or out in the country a lot on a soft surface you may not neeed cushioning underfoot. As most of us live in towns and cities where it rains a lot I would sugest a minimalist sneaker made of leather which can withstand the rain. I think a zero drop height seems nore natural to me but I don't get the naratvie that pointy toed shoes create problems as they don't. I have pointey shaped shoes and I',m not at all resictred in them. If you buy an unstructured shoe with very little heel suport or stucture you will force your foot to adopt to adapt to a bygone past. Wer're not there anymore most walk on conctete and The whole point that shoes developed over timie is times have changed. I've bought five pairs of minimalist trainers which are zero drop quite decent looking and on sale so I'll see how i get on with them. I 'm an older guy I appriciate this chanell and the content this guy has hared with us I just think if you remove your insole and look at your inprint on it that should tell you weather you've bought the right shoe size . I expect most of you have. This idea that your foot ends at the end of you're shoe or boot is ridiculous. I supose it might be appropriate for women width their heels.
Very, very interesting. Just bought vivo barefoots, and i live in the city. So im curious about how fast they wear down. Its an expensive hobby probably as we say in dutch.😂
You should buy Freet shoes. They are a UK company and use a durable rubber for their soles. My soles last a really long time. I recommend them. I always buy the extra 6mm insoles for extra comfort, it makes them extra comfortable on pavements and stones.
Interesting. I have the same thoughts but not about Altra. Joe Nimble "Nimbletoes" - very expensive, ...but I'm thinking of an experiment. Why? Unfortunately, I also walk on asphalt 90 percent of the time.
I’m 2 years into barefoot and I’m happier day by day. I also tried a pair of Altras and they broke and n the upper after a couple of months. It was really hard to get my money back 😅, s I think I’m done with Altra shoes.
@@PeteOnPurpose what happened to them? I was happy with the idea, but the construction design was not good in my opinion. Well actually I use a few depending on purpose, Saguaro, Vivo or Xero.
If you think barefoot shoes wear out quickly, you’ll be shocked how fast the Lone Peak’s wear out. Mine lasted me about 1 month (approx 500km) before they were completely done!
I’m just getting interested in barefoot shoes, zero experience; question: is it generally the case that they last for less time than traditional shoes?
@@andersstengaardjensen2208in my experience barefoot shoes last longer, but it depends on the brand. With regular shoes, the midsole usually wears out first. Barefoot shoes don’t have a midsole. I have a pair of Vivobarefoot Primus Trails that has close to 2000 km and Xero Prio’s with well over 2000km.
I have a tip for you. When you're looking for new shoes see if there is an option for wide width it will most likely just say ww then the size. I think that will really help ❤
Walking on flat concrete is unatural so barefoot doesn't make sense there. I have a pair of cheap barefoot shoes on order and looking forward to trying them out but mainly aroubd the house/garden and perhaps some walks on trails etc once i get used to them but for concrete ill be sticking to shoes with cushioning.( Zero drop if i can find some. )
Every person is different and for the way your shoes age it looks like is something with the way you walk because is always the same spot that got damaged. I do use a wildling shoes to walk on concrete daily with no pain!
Just bought an altra shoe because of this video It was kinda small Bought another one, another model (both were used, it's a different model) It's somehow the narrowest toe box of my three shoes (my barefoot one, my new altra, my most recent altra) Man, I just want some cushion with a wide toe box. ;-; The cushion is very nice though, they feel like clouds.
Yes omg when I started working in the city my feet were pounding concrete. Totally wrecked. Barefoot shoes are good if you’re walking in areas with lots of landscape variety (grass, dirt roads, sidewalks, rocks), deff not for concrete, especially at a high volume
@@electrapoptart ive got about 20 miles on on asphalt barefoot over the last week. another 20 in 5mm xero sandels. im still trying to figure out the correct way to walk barefoot. i guess for some it comes a lot more naturally but not for me. what i do know from 100s of hours of research is, if you feel real pain, you are doing something wrong. sorry, cant really be more help then that at the moment.
Okay this interesting and I am probably walking wrong. It’s just interesting that I wore barefoot shoes for 3 years no issues, pain or problems and then I move to a fully paved city and 6 months later foot pain?
Where you felt pain at the ball of your foot by wearing barefoot shoes. Did you get the same pain by wearing Fivefingers that is full freedom for your toes? If you limit your toes while full ground connection at the same time is asking for trouble because it's like lifting heavy weights in a weird angle and you risk injury. I walk on concrete 8 hours a day in my fivefingers with no issue while vivobarefoot hurts me after an hour because the toebox is a bit too narrow for my wide feet. Never got any pain from Realfoot or Softstar either because their toe boxes are the widest ones on the market. It's all in the freedom for the toes and looking how snug you like to wear your shoes, the problem might be there.
You came to the same solution as me. On my days off I wear barefoot shoes around the house, and to the shops etc - but on work days I wear Lone Peak 8s, because they have most of the benefits of barefoot shoes, but with padding. I would never give up barefoot shoes around the house though. Very comfy.
@@mod8 I have fairly wide feet with relatively flat arches - so in order to be comfortable I need something with a wide toe box and minimal arches (prominent arches are like torture for me). Barefoot shoes are perfect for that - but my job has me mostly standing for upwards of seven hours in a day, and standing for that length in barefoot shoes is very painful due to the lack of cushioning. That is what Lone Peak 8s have been perfect for.
If the issue with the barefoot shoes was that the sole wore down, why do you think it took 3 years for you to experience pain? Were you wearing the same pair for all 3 years? Just curious.
I had no problems for the first 2 years and half it was the past 6 months when I moved to the city and started walking on concrete the majority of the time that my issues began, though I am aware this could also be coincidental.
I'm gonna be honest. Haven't tried barefoot shoes. Probably won't ever try them. Ever since I've learned about them they've struck me as fairly redundant. I don’t wanna get into a long spiel about every single reason, so I'll just say wide fit shoes and skate shoes have existed for decades. Skate shoes are very flat if you don't want a drop point and wide fit shoes allow more room. Problem solved, no need for shoes the thickness of watershoes. And as you pointed out for soecifically running there are shoes without a drop, albeit hard to find.
My problem with the barefoot shoe movement is A. it’s not based on science, and B. they’re always marketing how they do “on the trails.” I live in Texas, we have concrete trails. The truth about barefoot shoes being natural…..flat concrete is not natural, so you need an unnatural solution for it, which is cushioned shoes.
It is based on science. Sure it's not for every situation but that doesn't mean barefoot shoes or going barefoot. The research is there, just not in a form of scientific paper yet
@@8lec_R the issue is none of these barefoot shoe brands actually care about your feet. My wife’s marketing company was on a call with the CEO from Xero Shoes, and he’s a pretty horrible person. In the call, he even said “I don’t give a fuck about foot health, so I don’t care to post any of that on the site.” They just want your money at the end of the day.
@@thisguy2973 brother. That is literally every company in our capitalist hellscape. Save a very few who are actually good. I'll name you a very through and good video by a creator who has done a fair amount of research.
@@thisguy2973 creator: jake leary Video 1: the most common foot problem in the world is preventable Video 2: you are ruining your feet I apologize the titles aren't the same, I'm on mobile and have to memorize them and then type lol. Btw as Jake mentions, just wearing barefoot shoes will not solve all issues but as part lf a holistic approach to better feet health, they play a decent role
@@PeteOnPurpose - all good Pete! Just an observation when I watched your video. If the shoes work for your environment and get you in better alignment… that’s what matters. I’ve found when I go for longer walks/hikes in my Xeros or Vivos, that my feet and calves will be really sore the next few days. I’ve also been wearing zero drop/mimimalist shoes for about 3 years and although I feel I’m very accustomed- do not put enough miles in with them on to avoid pain when I go 3-5 miles. Best of luck Mate!
Mistake. I've been using barefoot shoes for 4 years now. Only good things to say and no more painful feet, as long as you walk in a natural way, i.e. the same as you do with no shoes on. No heel striking.
Complete click bait and sponsored to hell!! Get some values pal!! If you’re going to make a recommendation then do it independently! The internet needs less of this false reporting!
You didn’t adapt properly while transitioning to barefoot. Most of us are not born to walk and run barefoot so our muscles are not used to it. You need to transition by training in zero drop cushion shoes for awhile first before going into barefoot.
i feel like running as a cardio exercise for weight loss is probably not gna be the best for a person at ur weight (gna be super hard and probably put alot of strain on ur joints, walking might be a better alternative for an easier exercise on ur body) when i run i end up getting sore or something and have to limit my running so if u wna lose weight via cardio workouts i feel like ud be better off doing multiple dif cardio workouts example, Stairmaster, running, swimming, basically any machine at the gym or calisthenics exercise as long as its keeping ur heart rate up because, greater heartrate=greater calories burned ive found a stairmaster to be a rly ez cardio workout for me running does feel amazing tho once u have the proper technique to do it without pain (i have 0 credentials to make me a reliable source for this info, other than just tryna help out a fellow human with stuff that I've learned)
Are these the solution to walking on concrete?
The Problem with Barefoot Shoes: ruclips.net/video/xk_3HEIt0MU/видео.htmlsi=MCJbgG-fPv_6lusl
Also check out Topo shoes
No its a trailrunner with lugs. On concrete check something like the Torin or Escalante. Both Altras. Or get some Topo Athletics. Same design philosophie but more durable.
Zero drop wide toe box Altras or Flux runners are my go-to for long days walking on concrete. barefoot for short outtings or natural surfaces
Not THESE ones, Lone Peak are for trails, so not asphalt. They have great city options as well, a lot more comfortable to walk in on the streets.
You can walk concrete but not run jogging and running. No one should be running marathon it's most ridiculous idea and millions of fools do it. If something hurts stop doing it. And you got un sub for the click bait. Ha
Why is this so hard to find? Foot-shaped shoes with cushioned soles?! Altra is the only brand I found and you can't buy it in my county. Yes, I can order them online from overseas, but I don't even know my true size. I have WIDE feet and have worn like 2-3 sizes+ for several years. Barefoot shoes are not an option as I have a painful joint condition and cannot even stand on soft floors without feeling pain in my feet and hips.
Exactly? Why? 😩 All I want is space for my toes. I don't feel the need to be "grounded" or whatever, although, having flexibility in the shoe to flex your feet freely is also nice.
Have you tried Lems? Not cushioned, but depending on the model they range between a 8mm-10mm thick rubber sole with an additional 4mm inner sole. Thick enough to have you protected. Use their Primal2 model on days i feel a bit sore. Cushion itself though other than Altra, Topo is another brand to check out that is foot-shaped. I run in in them.
I also wanted foot-shaped shoes with cushioned soles. But Altra's still too cushioned for my need. So I went for Strike Mvmnt. Shoes from Strike Mvmnt still have a 4mm drop and might not be as wide as Altra or some other barefoot shoes out there. But I actually feel like they are wider than a pair of Vivobarefoot Primus Lite, and they are perfect for my need.
Yeah. I hate that you can buy cheap shoes with cushion and comfortable materials, but not wide toe box. I don't care much about zero drop, but I'm all in for comfy shoes and clothes. I see zero reasons to squish my toes in a narrow shoe, but such are all the shoes I can afford :(
Peluva Strands are what you’re looking for
I've come across the same situation. After years of use I have pain almost everyday. Mostly due to me waking on concrete more. I will be continuing to wear wide toe box shoes but will transition to something similar to what you tried out.
Yea the Altras are great mate, still incredibly comfy and your foot pain should disappear instantly
learn to walk correctly problem solved
I alternate between higher/lower stack height shoes for normal wear & even with my running shoes, but always wear wide toebox; its great having options depending on how your feeling / recovery!
I don't understand the argument that barefoot shoes should be used on concrete. It's hard to compare it to "the ancestors of people who used to run barefoot all their lives." There was no concrete then, people had a different anatomy of movement, for example, they were shorter. With the development of technology, it is possible to combine the knowledge of healthy movement and comfort. Do not squeeze your toes, however, have some protection from continuous hard ground and choose the right drop.
There are anthropologists who believe hominins evolved to walk on rocky terrain. If that’s true, does that change your view?
@@eliefeinstein6182No. Because we are not those hominins, and there's a difference between "rocky terrain" with patches of earth and straight flat surfaces of concrete. I'd also point out to those irresponsible (I would assume) anthropologist that they should also mention to people that for tens of thousands of years humans have been wearing protective footwear and constantly improving the technology for a safer and more comfortable experience that increases performance. Contrary to popular belief our ancestors were NOT walking around barefoot, they often used sandals made of woven reeds and other such materials.
The problem with the whole barefoot shoes thing in my opinion is they are entirely unnecessary. There's wide fit shoes of every single style, including skate shoes which have this vaunted "zero drop" sole because ... they need to be flat. And they usually happen to be wide. I'd argue the supposed benefits people see from them are more psychological than physiological and the result of simply being more active.
@@kyletucker3811Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
People were shorter??? You nuts
There are tribes (the ones that have not been destroyed yet) who still walk around barefoot today. Even when our ancestors used shoes they were made of thin material made just enough to provide protection. Rocky terrain is also a thing. I know people who can run on stones without a problem. I know people aren't making "scientific" arguments but these kinds of arguments are still empirical in that have actually taken off shoes and tested it out themselves. Of course going barefoot with you head full of thoughts or while engaged on the phone is different from being completely connected with the environment. When it's the latter, your body (of which the foot is a part) will organize itself better using feedback from the environment as opposed to you thinking about foot strikes, cushioning and whatnot. I think worrying about cushioning too mich itself could be a psychological thing.
The crazy part I started with altras because of the zero drop. And now Lems. But I guess in my situation knowing I’m mostly on cement I figured I would always need more cushion. I thing for everyday shoes they need have more padding. For specific use case like weight lifting and other sports you will need more barefoot less padding shoes. My approach has always been to go gradually first before going all out.
Are you fully switched to Lems now? I’m thinking about going with Zen, then getting more stuff down the line.
One more con about ground feel - it is freezing in winter. I don't want to feel COLD ground! That's the reason I stopped wearing my Xero boots.
I really love my Altras. Hope they will start making some more casual shoes in the future.
It's not a con because it's marketed at people who already want ground feel. If you don't want ground feel that's a different thing and those shoes are not for you.
Btw, depending on the temperature I would like to feel the ground just as cold as it is, and I have done it myself without shoes of course with caution. The real problem is the salt they sprinkle everywhere which can be caustic.
I can vouch for this shoe. I found the Loan Peaks around 3 years ago when I bought them for trail running. However I didn't get on with them for trail running as the grip is uselss for wet UK trails IMO. BUT they were so comfy to wear, I have used them every day since (on my 3rd pair) as my general shoe. I run in usual shoes with varying drops, but I find wearing the loan peaks for general everyday use has been a game changer. I really think it has helped me stay injury free (touch wood) as it helps to stretch out my achiles and maintain stronger feet. I would recomend these to anyone as you get the benefts of zero drop with lot of cusion. I only wish they did a jet black pair so they look better when wearing to the office. Very comfy and recomend to anyone!
They have the alpine pair which I got because they do look pretty nice and are mainly black. Also I’m the same as I bought them knowing I am always on concrete and I know it’s not possible all the time. Lone peaks are the coolest shoes I’ve ever worn. I want to just hoard them so I always have them lol
I find that combining altra shoes with naboso insoles provides the best of both worlds for human-made surfaces. The altra keeps the zero-drop and wide toe box, while the naboso insole provides the necessary sensory feedback that is lost when you add the extra cushion
I've not heard of the naboso insole before? I would say I would check it out but its impossible to get packages delivered to Bali. :P
You bought the wrong altras if you’re going for ground feel. They have a plastic shank which takes away from that experience. More protection, less ground feel. The superiors don’t have the shank and will give you less cushion by a few mm. Still wear more comfy than barefoot on tarmac.
They actually do a gym shoes aswell called the solstice. (I’ve never used them)
The lone peaks have taken the place of my hiking boots, I use them for 15k plus or if it’s really wet out and entering woodlands (got waterproof ones)
I am also going to try Altras. I've had exactly the same experience - after 2 years of wearing barefoot shoes, my feet started to hurt. I also walk on concrete most of the time. 🙈
About the sizes... your shoe size changes throughout the day. I used to wear 42-43 but i bought my vivo shoes at 44 (even though they were a bit big).
Turns out, in the morning (which is when i bought them) they were big, but in the evening they fit me just right. This goes on on your whole body btw. We get "bigger" as the day goes on. Not a big difference for clothes but for shoes it is
Altra's are way better if you take the insole out. Was a game changer for me.
Try Lems as well for casual if you like a bit of cushioning.
Never thought about taking the insoles out, will give it a try.
I LOVE my Lems. Best shoe I have ever had on my foot
I LOVE my Lems. Best shoe I have ever had on my foot
Not sure if they'd be wide enough for you but maybe try giving the Lems Primal Pursuits a shot. I know you weren't too much of a fan of the Primal Zens but since youre looking for some more cushion now I think the Pursuits would be worth a try. They look better than the Zens imo as well.
I did eye those up when i got my Lems but they said they were narrow fit so don't think my hobbits stand a chance. 😅
Dude you are rolling with your heel first on concrete. It’s supposed to be toes to heel on hard surfaces. The heel to toe is only for walking on grass, forest or very soft surfaces. If you switch that you are fine. I’m a 120kg and I run on concrete all day. If you have the right technique it does not hurt a bit.
That's wrong. You're supposed to land heel first (but with little force), then roll over the side to the front (more specially, the triangle of medial and lateral ball of your foot and your big toe). Don't believe me? Try walking barefoot, watch videos on African tribes or natural gait.
Everyone's body is different. No one way to walk or run
Just type in the search bar usain bolt slow motion and watch their feet
@@felix-dk9trif I’m understanding you correctly with the rolling over the side-to-front (like outside of the foot?), I don’t think that’s correct.
That loads the Achilles tendon and plantar fascia improperly, and can cause calf issues and tendonitis.
I bought a shoe called Arcus from a swedish company called Wyde Footwear. It is wide at the toe and has some cushion, and it feels better than the other barefoot brands I’ve tried. (For reference my feet are 25.3cm long and 10.3cm across at the toes. I have a narrow midfoot and heel.) My problem with the Arcus is looks awful on me. Too chunky for my short, squat legs. But for long legs and high volume feet, it might look better. I bear with the weird looks because these are the only shoes I’ve tried wide enough at the toe for me.
Thanks looks realky good
Thanks for posting this! How many milimeters of sole with insole (total) would you say would be sufficient for support on concrete. I keep seeing this same comment over and over again- that barefoot insoles aren't enough cushion for concrete. I just ordered the Icarus because it has more cushion, 4mm sole plus 4mm insole. I also just ordered some Vivos, but think their thin insoles won't be a good fit for hard surfaces. I'm looking at the Topo brand now. Obviously, I'm just getting started, so thanks so much for underlining this concern.
The Altras I have have a stack height of 25mm and my feet are feeling a lot better, though they are still not fully healed.
@@PeteOnPurposeSO GLAD you're feeling better. Hope they heal completely so they don't hold you back. I know you'll come back stronger than before. That's what pain does if it is overcome. By the way, your posts have helped me so much with my learning. Gonna try to get these flippers of mine functional! That's what modern shoes have done to my feet. At least, I started wearing wider toe box shoes a long time ago. After that, my hammer toes straightened out. (Ugh, women's shoes!) I haven't been able to wear regular shoes for decades, only SAS and sandals.
Thank you, my feet are feeling a lot better. I really should rest them completely but I struggle to sit still. 😅
I cant imagine how difficult it is for womens feet with all the high heels and pointy shoes that are commonly worn.
This is the year we sort out our flippers! 😊
The Lems primal is a great zero drop shoe with a wide toe box. They’re trail shoes so they have good tread but they’re made of leather and are super cute so hey work as daily shoe. I get so many compliments on mine (I have the blue). I have used them for day to day use, longer hikes (13+ miles) and running 2-4 miles.l and they have held up great. I used to get shin splints every time I ran and haven’t gotten them since making the switch :)
At the very beginning of the video. What are the white sneakers you have on?
These ones - ruclips.net/video/Vvh4z7-zX7A/видео.htmlsi=74tVmhDahZ6WvR8m
Higher stack height is good for short term comfort.
The shortcoming is its prone to pronation and cause related injuries. Imagine if it was 5 times higher instead of 2.5 times. How much height is enough?
Id be interested to see your long term pain/injury progression with these.
Id argue anything closer to barefoot is optimal as long as you transition easy or you are strong enough to take on the road.
I will keep you updated
@@PeteOnPurpose thanks! you're awesome
In the event that the Altra quality goes down. Try Topo Athletic. I've switched to Topo after seeing my Altra Escalante's wear out after like 4 months of intermediate use.
I own hiking shoes, and trail runners but when I bought my latest pair of shoes, got a barefoot shoe. For me the difference is like moving from a sedan to a small SUV. The majority of walking I do on a regular basis is on soft carpeted spaces or patches of paved road/sidewalks and the barefoot I've found is the most comfortable and user friendly for those type of environments. If your life is centred around a modern city, I don't think you need much more.
I use minimalist barefoot sandals for everyday walk and road running, and altra shoes for trail running. I think you should consider road running altra shoes if you want to use altra for daily walk.
Are road running Altra shoes different to the Altra Lone peak's I have now?
@@PeteOnPurpose toebox should be similar, but lone peak designed for trail run, it has rock plate which doesn't exist altra's road running shoes. Also the thread on your altra will be eaten road or pavement if you use it for faster walk or run. I think road running altra such as escalante would be better for former miminalist barefoot shoe user who wants bit more cushion, it's also lighter than lone peak or any other altra's trail running shoes. But if you enjoy using it on both road and trail, but doesn't want to have two different shoe, then stick with lone peak or maybe try altra superior if you want to get a bit lighter.
The happy medium is Be Lenka Barebarics. More cushion then xeros, WAY more than Vivo But still wide foot shaped and with a decent amount of ground feel!! AMAZING quality!!
Funny I seem to hit the wall around the 2-year mark as well! I needed to spend longer in my Barebarics and Splay Rev LTs But it always feels great coming back to a pair of zeros without insoles!!!
Much love to my global barefoot community!!!
I'm really trying to get my head around this issue myself as i have knee pain but i've also spent a lot of my working life on my feet. The way i see it is this if you're walking mainly on uneven surfaces such as a builder you'll need a stiff sole to protect your feet from igegulaties in the ground. If you're skipping though meadows or out in the country a lot on a soft surface you may not neeed cushioning underfoot. As most of us live in towns and cities where it rains a lot I would sugest a minimalist sneaker made of leather which can withstand the rain. I think a zero drop height seems nore natural to me but I don't get the naratvie that pointy toed shoes create problems as they don't. I have pointey shaped shoes and I',m not at all resictred in them. If you buy an unstructured shoe with very little heel suport or stucture you will force your foot to adopt to adapt to a bygone past. Wer're not there anymore most walk on conctete and The whole point that shoes developed over timie is times have changed. I've bought five pairs of minimalist trainers which are zero drop quite decent looking and on sale so I'll see how i get on with them. I 'm an older guy I appriciate this chanell and the content this guy has hared with us I just think if you remove your insole and look at your inprint on it that should tell you weather you've bought the right shoe size . I expect most of you have. This idea that your foot ends at the end of you're shoe or boot is ridiculous. I supose it might be appropriate for women
width their heels.
I LOVE my Lone Peaks. I’ve had several pair. From everyday wear, the gym, and plenty of hiking/backpacking, they have been amazing.
Lone Peak Crew!
Very, very interesting. Just bought vivo barefoots, and i live in the city. So im curious about how fast they wear down. Its an expensive hobby probably as we say in dutch.😂
You should buy Freet shoes. They are a UK company and use a durable rubber for their soles. My soles last a really long time. I recommend them. I always buy the extra 6mm insoles for extra comfort, it makes them extra comfortable on pavements and stones.
Interesting. I have the same thoughts but not about Altra. Joe Nimble "Nimbletoes" - very expensive, ...but I'm thinking of an experiment. Why? Unfortunately, I also walk on asphalt 90 percent of the time.
cool, let me know how you get on
I love the Joe Nimble Addict.
I’m 2 years into barefoot and I’m happier day by day. I also tried a pair of Altras and they broke and n the upper after a couple of months. It was really hard to get my money back 😅, s I think I’m done with Altra shoes.
I got a solid year about of my Altra’s but they were holding on for dead life at the end.
What is your shoe of choice now?
@@PeteOnPurpose what happened to them? I was happy with the idea, but the construction design was not good in my opinion. Well actually I use a few depending on purpose, Saguaro, Vivo or Xero.
The Xerox HFS 2 have some padding....so maybe they are a good option.
Cheers mate I will check them out, I have always been a fan of xero shoes.
If you think barefoot shoes wear out quickly, you’ll be shocked how fast the Lone Peak’s wear out. Mine lasted me about 1 month (approx 500km) before they were completely done!
Really? I have been in my Altras for a couple of months now and so far so good but we shall see I guess.
Depends if you are using them for running or walking.
I’m just getting interested in barefoot shoes, zero experience; question: is it generally the case that they last for less time than traditional shoes?
@@andersstengaardjensen2208in my experience barefoot shoes last longer, but it depends on the brand. With regular shoes, the midsole usually wears out first. Barefoot shoes don’t have a midsole. I have a pair of Vivobarefoot Primus Trails that has close to 2000 km and Xero Prio’s with well over 2000km.
I have a tip for you. When you're looking for new shoes see if there is an option for wide width it will most likely just say ww then the size. I think that will really help ❤
Thanks I will keep that in mind 😊
@@PeteOnPurposePeak 8 has a wide option.
Problem is no cero drop!
Walking on flat concrete is unatural so barefoot doesn't make sense there.
I have a pair of cheap barefoot shoes on order and looking forward to trying them out but mainly aroubd the house/garden and perhaps some walks on trails etc once i get used to them but for concrete ill be sticking to shoes with cushioning.( Zero drop if i can find some. )
Every person is different and for the way your shoes age it looks like is something with the way you walk because is always the same spot that got damaged.
I do use a wildling shoes to walk on concrete daily with no pain!
I've been to have my gait and feet checked and apparently they are fine but yea it seems like something isn't right?
Unless you're a Kenyan or have been wearing barefoot shoes since childhood, its gonna be an extreme shift and not healthy to wear
Just bought an altra shoe because of this video
It was kinda small
Bought another one, another model (both were used, it's a different model)
It's somehow the narrowest toe box of my three shoes (my barefoot one, my new altra, my most recent altra)
Man, I just want some cushion with a wide toe box. ;-;
The cushion is very nice though, they feel like clouds.
If you find a shoe that’s inbetween the altras and full barefoot shoes, let us know
Currently I have been wearing my bahes with an added insole from another pair of barefoot shoes and they have been serving me well.
Yes omg when I started working in the city my feet were pounding concrete. Totally wrecked. Barefoot shoes are good if you’re walking in areas with lots of landscape variety (grass, dirt roads, sidewalks, rocks), deff not for concrete, especially at a high volume
Yes, my feet have only just about recovered
this is wrong, its just the result of you walking incorrectly. been there done that.
@@jjg1501 I mean my feet are also hypermobile, so I know I'm walking wrong. If you know a way to fix that lmk
@@electrapoptart ive got about 20 miles on on asphalt barefoot over the last week. another 20 in 5mm xero sandels. im still trying to figure out the correct way to walk barefoot. i guess for some it comes a lot more naturally but not for me. what i do know from 100s of hours of research is, if you feel real pain, you are doing something wrong. sorry, cant really be more help then that at the moment.
Okay this interesting and I am probably walking wrong. It’s just interesting that I wore barefoot shoes for 3 years no issues, pain or problems and then I move to a fully paved city and 6 months later foot pain?
Why do they charge so much if not as much materials are used?
Oh hey, these are straight up what I just commented on on your old video hahaha! There's also Topo, another brand like Altra.
I looked at Topo but I don' think they are zero drop?
@@PeteOnPurposeTopo ST-5 are zero drop. I've been eyeing them.
Where you felt pain at the ball of your foot by wearing barefoot shoes. Did you get the same pain by wearing Fivefingers that is full freedom for your toes? If you limit your toes while full ground connection at the same time is asking for trouble because it's like lifting heavy weights in a weird angle and you risk injury. I walk on concrete 8 hours a day in my fivefingers with no issue while vivobarefoot hurts me after an hour because the toebox is a bit too narrow for my wide feet. Never got any pain from Realfoot or Softstar either because their toe boxes are the widest ones on the market. It's all in the freedom for the toes and looking how snug you like to wear your shoes, the problem might be there.
i have never worn the five finger toes, maybe that is where I am going wrong?
Kinda sad most of these shoe brands aren't available in my country. Sure i could order overseas but the shipping is gonna be really expensive.
I am using the Hykes Pinnacle barefoot shoes and love them.
Cool never heard of them before, will have to check them out
You came to the same solution as me. On my days off I wear barefoot shoes around the house, and to the shops etc - but on work days I wear Lone Peak 8s, because they have most of the benefits of barefoot shoes, but with padding.
I would never give up barefoot shoes around the house though. Very comfy.
Have you experienced feet pain too?
@@mod8 I have fairly wide feet with relatively flat arches - so in order to be comfortable I need something with a wide toe box and minimal arches (prominent arches are like torture for me). Barefoot shoes are perfect for that - but my job has me mostly standing for upwards of seven hours in a day, and standing for that length in barefoot shoes is very painful due to the lack of cushioning. That is what Lone Peak 8s have been perfect for.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 Thanks! I also like barefoot shoes, but when I walk on concrete all day, I prefer Altras too.
Did you order Altra shoes wide or regular size for your wide foot?
I didn't realise there was a choice, I thought they were all wide?
If the issue with the barefoot shoes was that the sole wore down, why do you think it took 3 years for you to experience pain? Were you wearing the same pair for all 3 years? Just curious.
I had no problems for the first 2 years and half it was the past 6 months when I moved to the city and started walking on concrete the majority of the time that my issues began, though I am aware this could also be coincidental.
If you live in a city walking on concrete is just bad for barefoot. Gotta hit the bush
I went aroubd every shoe shop with a 10 mile radius and not a single one of them had even heard of barefoot shoes let alone sold them.😅😅
where do you live?
My Bahé shoes just arrived yesterday. I ordered them because of your review video 😅 now I will have to try these
Oh I loved my Bahe shoes, maybe a little too much. 😅
Yep I went the same way at least for running. A sort of half half is the vivobarefoot that have a decent tread.
Are you still using these? And do you rotate with barefoot shoes or are you done with them?
I wear barefoot shoes in the gym, no shoes when I can and Altras in the city or running
All I’ve hear about Altra is that their expensive and fall apart very quickly
I have lived in my Altras for 6 months and they are sill going strong
I'm gonna be honest. Haven't tried barefoot shoes. Probably won't ever try them.
Ever since I've learned about them they've struck me as fairly redundant. I don’t wanna get into a long spiel about every single reason, so I'll just say wide fit shoes and skate shoes have existed for decades. Skate shoes are very flat if you don't want a drop point and wide fit shoes allow more room. Problem solved, no need for shoes the thickness of watershoes.
And as you pointed out for soecifically running there are shoes without a drop, albeit hard to find.
How can you tell Altra are low drop shoes when you show picture of them with non-zero drop!?
Really water resistant?
I believe so but they get soaking wet when its raining 😅
If ur used to barefoot shoes get the altra superior 6 they have a lower ride height than the lone peaks
So they are better than the Lone Peak's?
@@PeteOnPurpose I wouldn’t say better or worse they just have a Lower stack height u can feel the ground more.
What are the shoes that show up at 0:02 time stamp
Vivo barefoot fG trail shoes
@@PeteOnPurposethank you for the reply ! I was looking for the ones that appear before the ones you just mentioned and after your white ones
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how does the altra shoes perform in the gym ?
I only wear the Altras for running, I like to wear barefoot shoes in the gym
@@PeteOnPurpose on try sagauro shoes as well
@@PeteOnPurpose which barefoot shoes to the gym ?
Currently my Lono or my basedbarefoot shoes
The angle of your big toe is a red flag for a future bunion. If you stick with yor extra wide minimalist shoes you'll be thankful when you are older.
Cheers for the tips
My problem with the barefoot shoe movement is A. it’s not based on science, and B. they’re always marketing how they do “on the trails.” I live in Texas, we have concrete trails.
The truth about barefoot shoes being natural…..flat concrete is not natural, so you need an unnatural solution for it, which is cushioned shoes.
It is based on science. Sure it's not for every situation but that doesn't mean barefoot shoes or going barefoot. The research is there, just not in a form of scientific paper yet
@@8lec_R the issue is none of these barefoot shoe brands actually care about your feet.
My wife’s marketing company was on a call with the CEO from Xero Shoes, and he’s a pretty horrible person. In the call, he even said “I don’t give a fuck about foot health, so I don’t care to post any of that on the site.” They just want your money at the end of the day.
@@thisguy2973 brother. That is literally every company in our capitalist hellscape. Save a very few who are actually good.
I'll name you a very through and good video by a creator who has done a fair amount of research.
@@thisguy2973 creator: jake leary
Video 1: the most common foot problem in the world is preventable
Video 2: you are ruining your feet
I apologize the titles aren't the same, I'm on mobile and have to memorize them and then type lol.
Btw as Jake mentions, just wearing barefoot shoes will not solve all issues but as part lf a holistic approach to better feet health, they play a decent role
have you checked out topo
Not yet but they are Topo of my list
You gotta try Lems or a Lems review, they are just as good as altras.
I tried some out a while back, though I didn't love them
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For knee pain. Try Ben Patrick's protocol brother.
Thank you, I will check him out.
You should try the Jem green bare foot boots
Thanks for the suggestion, I will check them out.
Don’t know about you, but i use ultra-boost as daily driver, never felt better in ma life 👌
Oh nice, I have geard good things about ultra-boost I will have to check them out.
They are great but dont last long… try topo
Altra's? I have had mine coming up a year and they are still holding on
Back to heel to toe walking there Pete?
I guess so? I honestly couldn't take the foot pain any longer, my feet were constantly
throbbing and the fact it has stopped I am grateful.
@@PeteOnPurpose - all good Pete! Just an observation when I watched your video. If the shoes work for your environment and get you in better alignment… that’s what matters.
I’ve found when I go for longer walks/hikes in my Xeros or Vivos, that my feet and calves will be really sore the next few days.
I’ve also been wearing zero drop/mimimalist shoes for about 3 years and although I feel I’m very accustomed- do not put enough miles in with them on to avoid pain when I go 3-5 miles.
Best of luck Mate!
Yes, it's mostly a temporary solution whilst I am in the UK, I will be heading off next year so I can re·access my footwear then.
Your feet will definitely fall off from not wearing barefoot shoes.
I'm 564lbs mentally ill and addicted to cannabis. One day I hope to take up running to lose fat. Seems nice.
Try topo
I will check them out cheers
Mistake. I've been using barefoot shoes for 4 years now. Only good things to say and no more painful feet, as long as you walk in a natural way, i.e. the same as you do with no shoes on. No heel striking.
It is the concrete. Concewte is not for barefoot
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Complete click bait and sponsored to hell!!
Get some values pal!!
If you’re going to make a recommendation then do it independently!
The internet needs less of this false reporting!
"Nai-key"
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In the Uk we just say Nike
@@PeteOnPurpose That doesn't make it correct.😀
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You didn’t adapt properly while transitioning to barefoot. Most of us are not born to walk and run barefoot so our muscles are not used to it. You need to transition by training in zero drop cushion shoes for awhile first before going into barefoot.
All the same picture
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I'm 564lbs mentally ill and addicted to cannabis. One day I hope to take up running to lose fat. Seems nice.
You can do it 💪
@@drex5160 thank you
i feel like running as a cardio exercise for weight loss is probably not gna be the best for a person at ur weight (gna be super hard and probably put alot of strain on ur joints, walking might be a better alternative for an easier exercise on ur body)
when i run i end up getting sore or something and have to limit my running
so if u wna lose weight via cardio workouts i feel like ud be better off doing multiple dif cardio workouts
example, Stairmaster, running, swimming, basically any machine at the gym or calisthenics exercise as long as its keeping ur heart rate up because, greater heartrate=greater calories burned
ive found a stairmaster to be a rly ez cardio workout for me
running does feel amazing tho once u have the proper technique to do it without pain
(i have 0 credentials to make me a reliable source for this info, other than just tryna help out a fellow human with stuff that I've learned)
The most important thing is just to start, its easier than you think it is and once u start doin it ul feel better
@@rqb6731 thanks friend 👍 I will try