Cool watch, but very uninspired, jumping on the integrated bracelet sportswatch bandwagon and not taking any risks. And the price point is just ridiculous. I see nothing here that justifies it. Oh, it will sell, but not for the "savvy collector" as they put it, but for the clueless with more money than knowledge of watches.
hmmmmm not sure your entirely correct here. You watch. Its the collectors that will fight over this one. Has a very particular look of its own I would say.
Just like anyone savvy in leather goods wouldn't buy an overpriced LV bag. Luxury is never about the product quality or value, it's all about signaling wealth.
It’s not my type of piece, but you know what, this is one of my favourite Time and tide videos! Andrew has a great rapport with anyone, and I like the LV guys candour.
Glad to see LV stepping up their watches, but I don't feel it's worth the asking price. It's 7x more than their prior watches, and too much to ask for when other options in this price range are by far better. Maybe if it was 1/2 the price they're asking, then I could see this into more collections. Great interview and video as always!
Great move by LV but at the end of the day, we need to remember that LV is a high-end name. It's going to cost you to own a piece of that brand. They're not competing with other brands in terms of value proposition, but instead establishing their own 'luxury' name within the watch industry. Curious to see how it goes!
They shouldn't be trading on brand alone there has to be more. It seems to me like there is more hopefully it's enough and it looks great so good luck.
@@marcusflack1523They have announced numbers, they don't sound rare. 3k used is not gonna happen, but i can see them going for 8-10. Its a shame tbh. Me, same as everyone, think they are going in right direction, but this price kills it for me. 20k range has sooo much to offer. Its a shame, because LV is huge manufacturer, they have tools and resources to make their products superior to others, while lowering the price. However they decided to go different route. 20k price tag is a marketing tool
LV still doesn’t get it. 20k is not entry level. There are literally thousands of competition at one tenth of the price. It will end up to be like a Chanel…
First I heard 3k I was like wow that’s a great deal. Then he said 20k. Well no thank you. Much better options at this price point. But good luck to you.
Great interview, relaxed, fun, with lots of info and macro shots… Great work Marcus & Andrew! But who has the DT thumbs Bro? The watch is a fantastic departure from the past Tambour, I enjoyed the previous models, but they were too chunky and the tambour shape sat fat on the wrist. I like the clever case shape, the subtle brand around the bezel, the ‘streamlined’ integrated bracelet, and the movement with micro rotor is delicious! I see the clever price point, brand placement, and product design, if this young LV dude Jean can shake things up so fast, imagine what he can achieve over his lifetime!
This is to be celebrated. Dial is like the Vacheron 56 Bracelet is like the moser streamliner Movement bridges are like Gronefeld A micro rotor you could use as currency in John wick Dimensions are exceptional If I could change one feature it would be the letters on the bezel. Fantastic timepiece, beautifully shot as always thank you
I much prefer the 56 case but I can see the similarity. Beautiful watch and I think LV has enough of a pull outside the watxh community to do a lot of numbers
Not bad at all . Its all bout the movement as the design doesnt have anything special. 20k for steel is a strech tho. But i can see the move they making. Nice
and a luxury watch is not fashion? I like what they have done, the Tambour does not copy any styles of other brands, looks elegant and has the right size
Yes, but so is Bulgari, Piaget, Hermes and Chopard. All have very serious watchmaking credentials. LV is next and are aiming to leapfrog all of those others.
Love the watch, but LV better be prepared as the 20kEur is a tough pricepoint. When you can have Vacheron 56 or Czapek for the same money It's not going to be easy start.
It looks like Lange odysseus at first glance. But tbh it looks nice specially the blue dial. The movement is such a breath of fresh air. I luv that gold micro rotor. Price wise 20K euro about 32K aud? I would look around and look around prior considering this.
Not really a fan of watches without lugs but I really like the dial design especially the blue one . Their forray into serious watches is very interesting indeed.
yeah lets see. I think if you see one of these in the wild it will be a special treat. Looking forward to seeing where the brand takes things from here. This is a bold move.
It's not quite there for me, the dial is a bit claustrophobic and cramped, in my opinion. The case is really cool though, looks almost like slightly melted metal resting on your wrist. I also rather like the coloured sapphires in most movements, so I confess to missing those, but the transparent sapphires look very clean - which does fit with the asthetic of where LV is going for this watch. I'd love to have one at a lower price, maybe on the second-hand market, but it's fantastic to see LV moving in the right direction. Fantastic work LV. Keep it up!
Although I am currently not in that new price range, this watch is beautiful. I especially love the blue. The silver dial does play with the light very well and is cool on its own. I wonder if these will even be in the LV boutiques to check out, since the production numbers are so low. I do have one not far from where I live. I don't love the Louis Vuitton on the outside of the bezel, but it seems on brand.
There is no way I am paying 20k for LV watch no matter how good it was. Fashion brands should stick to fashion. I am not expecting Omega to produce jackets or shorts.
@@wayneonthedrums i would as well buy a Santos but Cartier has a long history of watchmaking. LV has not. It has celebrities wearing their overpriced bags. Building heritage takes decades.
@@arturgarncarz3631 def takes decades but this is a clear beginning moving away from the fashion offering in their watchmaking. Looking at their automaton pieces is like going down a rabbit hole of creativity and marvel. One of a kind incredible pieces. They certainly have the stable of talent to continue to flex their way towards the top over the years. So I say. Watch this space.
Throughout France, there are currently unrest in the suburbs. The youth there protest against police violence and their lack of prospects. Abuses that have been ignored or moderately combatted in France for decades. The repositioning and release of this entry-level watch for 20k seems somehow surreal. It says a lot about how this luxury world lives in its own unworldly bubble.
Objectively speaking, this watch direct competitors are czapek antractique, moser streamliner as well as the holy trinity (nautilus, RO and overseas). Who in his sane mind would pick this over any of those watches?
Think this an uphill battle. For what they’re asking and their past image I think “watch people” will look to more established brands (including traditional ‘fashion’ brands like Cartier, Bulgari, etc.). Best of luck to them but not sure how these will sell. Think they would have been better served to rebrand if they wanted a fresh start in the watch world.
But remeber, this was the climb that Bulgari made a while back and look at them now. If LV stick to these high end guns with the design and watchmaking department I think they just might climb this ladder allongside many others.
@@marcusflack1523 true, but when you think Bulgari you at least think of precious metals and bracelet design. I think of LV, I think hand bags and luggage. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good looking watch but, for the price point, I’m not sure how it will be received in relation to its competition.
Te duur voor een LV - zonder horloge geschiedenis. Een mooi horloge met een moderne uitstraling voor een sector wijzerplaat. Maar dat is het. De Octo finissimo bv kost 5K minder en zou revolutionair genoemd kunnen worden. Dat had BVLGARI nodig als merk. LV zit in een soortgelijke positie en komen met dit
Nope! Not over the Salmon LUC Alpine eagle and certainly not over any version of the Antarctique. Im actually quite glad that everyone is copying the microrotor and sandblast finish of the Antarctique nowadays. Just nowhere near as good looking of a movement. Edit: Even the "Fabrique en Suisse" on the dial was copied from the ANtractique lol. Yet this guy tries to make it sound like he came up with it....
@@zillsburyy1 man when we shot the new seamasters the other day in Mykonos in full sunshine it was a whole new experience. So I know exactly what you’re talking about.
Exciting? It's yet another steel watch with a blue face and silver detailing with a small seconds and nothing that stands out for 20k "Groundbreaking" I don't even mind that it's a quality but plain looking watch in a saturated market of similar looking watches, but to go "this watch isn't for everybody" because it's expensive!? Sir, your watch is for *anybody*, because it's generic.
It seems rather uninspired, boring, and with Parmigiani Tonda for just a thousand dollars more, seems like a tall order. I am growing increasingly tired of these rave reviews that are merely out to sell watches. Cmon Time and Tide, you can be better than this!
I think you missed the pount this is a mjorly good move away from fashion for LV. Getting serious about thier timepieces the way Bulgari did way back. And look at them now.
@@travsmac I shoot loads of watches. Loads. I know when I see something good and I only defend my opinion when it’s mine alone. If you can’t believe that statement then that’s on you.
@@marcusflack1523 What’s to defend? If someone doesn’t like the watch, it’s not a personal attack on you. Yet one hour in to the video’s release, you’ve commented everywhere as if it is. Just an observation that reeks of bias.
So Bernard Arnault offered to buy H Moser & Cie, they refused, so LVMH decided to ‘do a Streamliner’ out of spite. Only worse. Allegedly 😉.
Nice to see them taking steps in the right direction. Still a fashion brand to me but can’t deny that’s a nice watch
well put. Its def a move out of the fashion direction for sure. Remeber brands like Bulgari. Look at them now.
hey that's no fair to LV. They're obviously a luggage brand.
not anymore. @@defenestratedone
Cool watch, but very uninspired, jumping on the integrated bracelet sportswatch bandwagon and not taking any risks. And the price point is just ridiculous. I see nothing here that justifies it. Oh, it will sell, but not for the "savvy collector" as they put it, but for the clueless with more money than knowledge of watches.
hmmmmm not sure your entirely correct here. You watch. Its the collectors that will fight over this one. Has a very particular look of its own I would say.
Just like anyone savvy in leather goods wouldn't buy an overpriced LV bag. Luxury is never about the product quality or value, it's all about signaling wealth.
Very nice time pieces!
A good looking piece but would need an 80% discount to consider picking it up
It’s not my type of piece, but you know what, this is one of my favourite Time and tide videos! Andrew has a great rapport with anyone, and I like the LV guys candour.
Hey thanks for the comment Andrew. Yep, we love good conversational and spontaneous energy. This is what the hobby should represent I think.
@@marcusflack1523 ضسسس٠س١سجسسشع
Who the heck is buying a 20k euro LV watch when you have so many other more appealing options at that price point?
Awesome… handsome timepiece 👍🏻
Great location, great timepiece and great interview. Thank you.
At €20K, I’d expect a free LV suit to go with the watch!
Glad to see LV stepping up their watches, but I don't feel it's worth the asking price. It's 7x more than their prior watches, and too much to ask for when other options in this price range are by far better. Maybe if it was 1/2 the price they're asking, then I could see this into more collections.
Great interview and video as always!
Good job LV
Great move by LV but at the end of the day, we need to remember that LV is a high-end name. It's going to cost you to own a piece of that brand. They're not competing with other brands in terms of value proposition, but instead establishing their own 'luxury' name within the watch industry. Curious to see how it goes!
Think you have nailed it here. A very good assessment of the situation.
They shouldn't be trading on brand alone there has to be more. It seems to me like there is more hopefully it's enough and it looks great so good luck.
20k entry level? Cant wait to pick one up on the grey market for 3k 😅
good luck. pretty sure these are gonna be suer rare.
@@marcusflack1523They have announced numbers, they don't sound rare. 3k used is not gonna happen, but i can see them going for 8-10. Its a shame tbh. Me, same as everyone, think they are going in right direction, but this price kills it for me. 20k range has sooo much to offer. Its a shame, because LV is huge manufacturer, they have tools and resources to make their products superior to others, while lowering the price. However they decided to go different route. 20k price tag is a marketing tool
LV still doesn’t get it. 20k is not entry level. There are literally thousands of competition at one tenth of the price. It will end up to be like a Chanel…
You would never get one😂
@@greaterbayareahero1401it's their own entry level
Massive improvement in what they were offering before.
It really looks good from every angle!
Blue dial is beautiful.
very interesting watching this and hearing Jean's vision
First I heard 3k I was like wow that’s a great deal. Then he said 20k. Well no thank you. Much better options at this price point. But good luck to you.
Great interview, relaxed, fun, with lots of info and macro shots… Great work Marcus & Andrew!
But who has the DT thumbs Bro?
The watch is a fantastic departure from the past Tambour, I enjoyed the previous models, but they were too chunky and the tambour shape sat fat on the wrist.
I like the clever case shape, the subtle brand around the bezel, the ‘streamlined’ integrated bracelet, and the movement with micro rotor is delicious!
I see the clever price point, brand placement, and product design, if this young LV dude Jean can shake things up so fast, imagine what he can achieve over his lifetime!
Nailed it!
Beautiful watch LV is definitely going in the right direction!
completely agree. Moving away from fashion and into serious watchmaking
It's quite beautiful
absolutely
This is to be celebrated.
Dial is like the Vacheron 56
Bracelet is like the moser streamliner
Movement bridges are like Gronefeld
A micro rotor you could use as currency in John wick
Dimensions are exceptional
If I could change one feature it would be the letters on the bezel.
Fantastic timepiece, beautifully shot as always
thank you
WOW. I love that run down. Especially the John Wick line hahahahahahaha AWESOME. Thanks for the copmpliment. Was fun to shoot this one
I much prefer the 56 case but I can see the similarity. Beautiful watch and I think LV has enough of a pull outside the watxh community to do a lot of numbers
@@thegraciefighter102 Rickson is the king.
@@wisamal-hakim5531 yes and very sad to hear of his health issues
@@thegraciefighter102 yes. But it comes to us all. At least he lived as a champion for many years.
Beautiful watch. I love the blue dial. I'm still looking at that wonderful band and clasp. Tres Bonne!
stunning huh
I really wish they do a titanium version in the future
Brand name on the dial aside, this one is really nice.
Not bad at all . Its all bout the movement as the design doesnt have anything special. 20k for steel is a strech tho.
But i can see the move they making. Nice
well put
Not sold, LV still a fashion label
Pretty sure you didnt watch this video. Thats the point of this release.
and a luxury watch is not fashion? I like what they have done, the Tambour does not copy any styles of other brands, looks elegant and has the right size
@@john_miller_ Completely agree with you here John. This is def not fashion. This is a serious piece
Yes, but so is Bulgari, Piaget, Hermes and Chopard. All have very serious watchmaking credentials. LV is next and are aiming to leapfrog all of those others.
and Rolex became a fashion brand in recent years.
Love the watch, but LV better be prepared as the 20kEur is a tough pricepoint. When you can have Vacheron 56 or Czapek for the same money It's not going to be easy start.
Or the VC Overseas
@@brownmcpherson5724 I love overseas but at 20k you might need to go gray market on older model.(JLC powered VC Overseas dual time would be my choice)
It looks like Lange odysseus at first glance. But tbh it looks nice specially the blue dial. The movement is such a breath of fresh air. I luv that gold micro rotor. Price wise 20K euro about 32K aud? I would look around and look around prior considering this.
Not really a fan of watches without lugs but I really like the dial design especially the blue one . Their forray into serious watches is very interesting indeed.
agreed
Beautiful watch ! I am impressed, I hope to see it soon in real life :)
yeah lets see. I think if you see one of these in the wild it will be a special treat. Looking forward to seeing where the brand takes things from here. This is a bold move.
It's not quite there for me, the dial is a bit claustrophobic and cramped, in my opinion.
The case is really cool though, looks almost like slightly melted metal resting on your wrist.
I also rather like the coloured sapphires in most movements, so I confess to missing those, but the transparent sapphires look very clean - which does fit with the asthetic of where LV is going for this watch.
I'd love to have one at a lower price, maybe on the second-hand market, but it's fantastic to see LV moving in the right direction.
Fantastic work LV. Keep it up!
It's Vacheron territory..
VC beat this one hundred times.
Anyway, an improvement made by LV. Good try indeed
Beautiful and the movement looks fantastic, but I'd rather pick it up secondhand...
its a stunning movement for sure. Im loving the bridgework. And that mity micro rotor is awesome
The printing of the seconds subdial numbers and markers looks a little cheap on the concentric circle pattern.
The micro-rotor doesn't seem to move much.
It def does its job thats for sure.
@@marcusflack1523do you know what bearings are used?
@@BobbyDazzler888now that is a question I will need to research.
Although I am currently not in that new price range, this watch is beautiful. I especially love the blue. The silver dial does play with the light very well and is cool on its own. I wonder if these will even be in the LV boutiques to check out, since the production numbers are so low. I do have one not far from where I live. I don't love the Louis Vuitton on the outside of the bezel, but it seems on brand.
Pricey but interesting product... LV still been a fashion brand not for hard core collectors.
If they r stuck, they might do bundles with their more desirable bags range like Rolex ADs
I don’t know about the price, but they Grey Dial version is stunning.
Nice watch , tough sale ,good luck.
Nice watch but yikes... $20k, that's Vacheron Constantin territory and I'll take my Overseas 3rd Gen blue dial every day of the week.
imagine shaking hand with son of world's richest man. Anyway appreciate what LV is doing there
kablam
Imagine being in relationship with son of world's richest man
There is no way I am paying 20k for LV watch no matter how good it was. Fashion brands should stick to fashion. I am not expecting Omega to produce jackets or shorts.
you missed the point. They are clearly moving well away from Fashion. And with thier resources they will be able to do it.
@@marcusflack1523 They stopped making bags and clothes??? :)
@@arturgarncarz3631 I get what you're saying and somewhat agree but then remembered I will absolutely be buying a Cartier soon.
@@wayneonthedrums i would as well buy a Santos but Cartier has a long history of watchmaking. LV has not. It has celebrities wearing their overpriced bags. Building heritage takes decades.
@@arturgarncarz3631 def takes decades but this is a clear beginning moving away from the fashion offering in their watchmaking. Looking at their automaton pieces is like going down a rabbit hole of creativity and marvel. One of a kind incredible pieces. They certainly have the stable of talent to continue to flex their way towards the top over the years. So I say. Watch this space.
19,000 euro?
Wow for $20k I’d have to put my money into a precious metal, that’s a crazy price for steel.
Not known as a watch company throws up red flags. Would you purchase this over an Omega 🤔 at that price. Definitely paying for the name.
Throughout France, there are currently unrest in the suburbs. The youth there protest against police violence and their lack of prospects. Abuses that have been ignored or moderately combatted in France for decades. The repositioning and release of this entry-level watch for 20k seems somehow surreal. It says a lot about how this luxury world lives in its own unworldly bubble.
Even during bad times, people will still create and innovate. Didn't mean we didn't care, but we must create and use our time doing what we can do.
Objectively speaking, this watch direct competitors are czapek antractique, moser streamliner as well as the holy trinity (nautilus, RO and overseas). Who in his sane mind would pick this over any of those watches?
Does it come with an LV Nato Strap? :)
HAHAHAH
Yes, made from the pubes of a red panda.
Everything in this watch is right except ... the name.
I couldn`t wear it as 99,9% people will recognize it as just a fashion watch.
But that 0.1% will look you in the eye and give you a knowing nod that says.....'you know exactly who you are'
These are nice watches. And I like the strategy. But still overpriced. $20k no. $12k we can talk.
Nice fashion watch
Think this an uphill battle. For what they’re asking and their past image I think “watch people” will look to more established brands (including traditional ‘fashion’ brands like Cartier, Bulgari, etc.). Best of luck to them but not sure how these will sell. Think they would have been better served to rebrand if they wanted a fresh start in the watch world.
But remeber, this was the climb that Bulgari made a while back and look at them now. If LV stick to these high end guns with the design and watchmaking department I think they just might climb this ladder allongside many others.
@@marcusflack1523 true, but when you think Bulgari you at least think of precious metals and bracelet design. I think of LV, I think hand bags and luggage. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good looking watch but, for the price point, I’m not sure how it will be received in relation to its competition.
Te duur voor een LV - zonder horloge geschiedenis. Een mooi horloge met een moderne uitstraling voor een sector wijzerplaat. Maar dat is het. De Octo finissimo bv kost 5K minder en zou revolutionair genoemd kunnen worden. Dat had BVLGARI nodig als merk. LV zit in een soortgelijke positie en komen met dit
what wait. they want 20k for this?? lol
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Nope! Not over the Salmon LUC Alpine eagle and certainly not over any version of the Antarctique. Im actually quite glad that everyone is copying the microrotor and sandblast finish of the Antarctique nowadays. Just nowhere near as good looking of a movement. Edit: Even the "Fabrique en Suisse" on the dial was copied from the ANtractique lol. Yet this guy tries to make it sound like he came up with it....
lol rooftop review
Rooftop sunshine makes for a great point of difference in a watch review. SO many times we are inside.
@marcusflack1523 my seamaster pro looks great in natural day light
It's a pretty great rooftop review location.
@@zillsburyy1 man when we shot the new seamasters the other day in Mykonos in full sunshine it was a whole new experience. So I know exactly what you’re talking about.
At 8-10k USD? Sure, but for 20 it’s a hard pass
Exciting? It's yet another steel watch with a blue face and silver detailing with a small seconds and nothing that stands out for 20k
"Groundbreaking"
I don't even mind that it's a quality but plain looking watch in a saturated market of similar looking watches, but to go "this watch isn't for everybody" because it's expensive!? Sir, your watch is for *anybody*, because it's generic.
This look nice, overpriced but nice
As much as I wanted to dislike it, I like the style. However, the dial is a straight rip off of Sartory Billard.
Very pretentious intro... you can make and sell a high level watch but this approach is repulsive
what on earth are you talking about. Its a conversation
A sports watch at over $15k with less than 100m water resistance and no micro adjustment on the clasp. Oh well.
Who the hell designed it? Pharrell?
20€ ouch 😢
Needs at least 100m WR 30m WR is too little.
WR is 50m, agree that a screw down crown and 100m would be good but would probably impact thickness which I would prefer to leave at 8mm.
@@Timeandtidewatches bloody good shout Andrew
A VC FiftySix rip off and charging 20k for it. No one should be buying this!!
The dial is not exciting at all. Very boring actually. And it’s way overpriced for what you get.
I like the watch, I don’t like a watch from LV
19500EUR for that? yeah wow.. i dont see value.. sorry!
To me its a fashion brand. I would not buy it
fair enough, but the point of this move is moving away from fashion. in a serious way
It seems rather uninspired, boring, and with Parmigiani Tonda for just a thousand dollars more, seems like a tall order. I am growing increasingly tired of these rave reviews that are merely out to sell watches. Cmon Time and Tide, you can be better than this!
I think you missed the pount this is a mjorly good move away from fashion for LV. Getting serious about thier timepieces the way Bulgari did way back. And look at them now.
@@marcusflack1523 Dude, how much is LV paying you to defend this watch in every comment. 😂
@@travsmac I shoot loads of watches. Loads. I know when I see something good and I only defend my opinion when it’s mine alone. If you can’t believe that statement then that’s on you.
@@marcusflack1523 What’s to defend? If someone doesn’t like the watch, it’s not a personal attack on you. Yet one hour in to the video’s release, you’ve commented everywhere as if it is. Just an observation that reeks of bias.
@@travsmac your opinion.
Meh
this wont end well
I bet you it will
Who is buying this… really?
Always a gullible buyer out there. Looks like a cheap 10 dollar quartz
Nice Swatch.
ummmmmm hmmm
Total junk. They should just keep
Yo what they are good at. Leather.