Hey brutha. What happened to the long version of this video? Why is the video not available anymore? That was really good info. Thanks and keep up the good work. I really like your videos.
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Obviously Jack The Rapper Gibson is ture pioneer of radio, he give the birth of radio personality suggests it have to be entertainment. And Jocko Henderson was the first to rapping to R&B back n the 50s.
@@joeytunez I am actually SO excited to see this surge of self knowledge and unappologetic pride that we have in ourselves now. Now that we are declaring our identity as the people who built America,produced ALL the best aspects of it, and are advocating for ourselves exclusively and sharing our innovations from science to music, folks have lost their minds😆😆 They are especially mad because we are reminding 75% of folks in the country that we aint immigrants like them😅 Now that we are telling everyone that they aint us and their issues aint ours, and we are TAKING BACK everything we created and boycotting anything and anyone that even has a HINT of anti FBA, AFTER demonstrating that we are so powerful that we can lead an international protest against police violence, everyone is trying to hurry up and try to remain attached to us or claim our legacy ( which we aren't having). With tech and social media, we are able to make our own documentaries about any aspect of our legacy that we want, and put it out there for people to find when the time comes. The mainstream is even becoming irrelevant because NONE of what is being produced has been signed off by us😆
@@QuatMan Immigrants like them? How the fuck did the majority of us arrive here? GTFOH with your ignorance azz. We ain't boycotting shyt. The music industry has been poisoning our youth with degrading music and images and we still ain't boycott the radio stations and record companies. The FBA black middle class could give a two shyt about the poor and working class FBAs. What international protest against police violence did we lead? BLM? A movement funded by white philanthropist George Soros? There is no future for FBAs without a Pan-African consciousness. FBAs must do both simultanesously. Build a self- identity parallel with an African consciousness. Wasn't that what the Jamaican Marcus Garvey was telling us FBAs all the time. "Up you might race and accomplish what you will"
@@marsha7748 Ya'll love to take people culture as your own and don't know anything about Jamaican culture, they also have documentaries lying about fba culture as well and stating that jamaicans create it to the point where tariq nasheed have to make another one, i dont belive any documentaries because all of them tell a different story.
@@Dania_333 How do we take other people's culture? I've been black American my whole life, all I know is my black American culture, I don't have to know anything about Jamaican culture, I'm not Jamaican and I don't live in Jamaica and I've never been interested in it
It seems like Caribbean people from earlier generations had honor and integrity but many of these West Indians born in the 70’s and 80’s carry a deep resentment for Black Americans and lack integrity. Look at Rihanna routinely on MLK’s birthday circulating memes of our ancestor with gold teeth in his mouth that she knows is disrespectful. Niki Minaj is another one with her lyrics related to Rosa Parks and another disrespectful jab at Malcolm X.
@@ImaginaryasssholeJamaicans act like they don't know that...that Kool herc guy already admitted he copied from Black Americans, but these Jamaicans today act like they don't know that either
Showing the Jamaican youth this proof will not make a difference to the arrogant ones. It is not about hip hop they just don't like us and I'm cool with that but get the history right.
Toasting comes from 'toast-telling' in Black American folkloric tradition and dates back to the 30s. Toast-telling was a widespread practice for Black Americans from New York, to Philadelphia, Texas, to LA. It's documented in a book called 'Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me' originally published in 1974.
A lot y’all don’t realize before Africans were taking to America yall were in the Caribbean. Hence the banjo used in country music was brought to America from the Caribbean.
@Mya_water The Banjo comes from Africa not the Caribbean. Stop trying to TETHER YOUR SELVES TO US. We are lazy, low IQ, soft Yankees not no Caribbeans. You're trying to flip what you heard these men say to make it seem like in actuality it all comes from the Caribbean anyway. FBA'S were working in Thomas Edisons workshop not Caribbeans. You got it from the Yankees. Facts is Facts 💯
Somebody please show this to all of the new generation of Jamaicans, thats delusional, even Bob Marley gave and paid homage to black americans for being his inspiration
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO Stop doing drugs! Busted lies is wrong, but I guess when you are comfortable with interloping and being a culture vulture you can believe anything. Its laughable 🤣🤣.
Toasting comes from 'toast-telling' in Black American folkloric tradition and dates back to the 30s. Toast-telling was a widespread practice for Black Americans from New York, to Philadelphia, Texas, to LA. It's documented in a book called 'Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me' originally published in 1974.
I respect the OG Jamaicans and the ones on the island and the few who were fortunate enough to slip through the cracks to get into the states and keep it on code but these new niggas they something else....
HERC never stated he created hip hop....He is the FATHER because he ushered in a youth movement of B-Boys with his massive Sound System. He was also a graffiti writer and dancer. No other pioneer can claim that.....He is much the FATHER of hip hop as James Brown is the GODFATHER of soul. Both of them were given titles for music that they did not create.
@@ColtanFreefirst of all he got his sound systems from the USA so all that is irrelevant. The whole culture came from the gangs aka black spades and bboy dancing originates from uprock amd jazz. James brown is funk music not soul. Kool herc did nothing in hip hop other than using a technique that was already used in music before which came from dj pete jones. So what is exactly is he a father of??? He rarely contributed anything, not trying to knock him off. Same goes to afrika bambataa. Only dj flash contributed out of three.
@@gennadicole7102that’s debatable. Philly has their own graff culture that’s independent of NYC. It’s independent of “hip hop”. Being the first…I don’t know how you claim to that. Maybe he was the first one to take it to the streets with consistency. Freight train monikers have been a thing since the Great Depression.
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWOit bullshit but these people who were doing it more than lightly before you were born are telling you what they doing... The truth is right in your face and you still don't believe it....
From and economic standpoint this makes sense. Black people around the world didn’t have the resources in 60’s and 70’s that black Americans had, even though black Americans resources were limited as well. So there is absolutely no way American blacks would have gotten the idea of hip hop or any other form of music from anywhere but America. In the later years (80’s) I believe that Caribbean music started to bring influences into hip hop. But definitely not in the beginning.
There was no music system technologies in the Caribbean. So who the fuck created the musical instrumental called the Steel Pan? GTFOH with your lack of world knowledge.
@@marsha7748 What lies? This silly shit about Hip Hop is consuming to much of your time. Is Hip Hop the greatest development in the history of World Black Culture? GTFOH.
The technology existed BUT Jamaica was using sound system for stret parties and that's what was brought to America. Yall really want it to be one singular thing that created Hip Hop. By the of events and society that's impossible
The Blues was one of the most distinct sounds/syles of music in the world. No where else in the diaspora could you find its elements at a significant level
Someone please copy this and post it to Instagram, Facebook, X and other social media platforms so this can spread. This is the TRUTH from the ORGINGAL JAMAICAN PIONEERS.
@@abdurraheemali9303 it is so true! If you check the history of the sound system it's Jamaicans that created it, we put the right amp in it that was able to cause it to be able to play on the streets. And then we took it to England and from England and adapter to Japan and Italy and other places and then it came back around to the US so by the 1970s the US had what we created back in the late 50s. And because of this the sound system it was what really influenced Hip Hop because by then a man by the name of DJ Cool Hercules had a sound system and he played his jams on the streets and that's when b-boy and break dancing began because people were dancing to his music that he played
@ Michael Waynetv It's like you said before, we all was dropped off at different stops coming out of Africa, so yeah Black Americans and Black West Indians are one people...however, you gotta respect the parents of this global thing called hip hop and showing which direction the R&B influence flowed will tell u where the flow of direction for hip hop originated; otherwise they'll write us outta history. We got too many other people trying to do that already. We don't need other black folks doing it to us too!
@@seanwright8786 you peoples are from jamaica, we are from the USA. We do not share the same culture, we dont look alike, we are not related, we dont name our sons Patrick, you are under the UK - we are not. You impose yourselves on us, while we dont care about you. You do not impose yourselves on your fellow caribbeans. Any deeper, and it turns into a lecture.
@@Thebrothaisback Bruh, Ain't nothing about me from Jamaica. I'm a cornbread eating black man. You would do better to have a full and complete knowledge before you declare things.
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I get into A LOT of debates with Jamaicans/ Caribbeans about who started hip hop and I don't have to say anything because I just send them different clips of your documentary and that speaks for itself and they shut up because they have no answer for it! 😂😂😂✊🏿✊🏿
@@ColtanFree you must be talking about them NYC mfks. Cause don’t nobody in the south, Midwest or the west coast uses 🇯🇲 slang. Or maybe your talking about the UK
@@Taniawest34 You folks not from the northeast coast are some funny azz cats. I heard Snoop "Lion" use their slang nuff times when he was smoking that rasta weed. 😂
Bro first of all we got all of our musical influences from y'all but then we because we didn't make our own music we had nothing but turntables. We started the DJing trend. And toasting wasn't even something I was doing DJ and yeah we heard toasting from the radio stations from here in America but we turned it into the DJ and thing but we were doing toasting and DJing in the 50s and y'all ain't even start DJing until the seventies so we was 20 years before y'all
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO No you didn't LOL the DJ trend was started by Black Americans. Grandmaster Flowers, Disco King Mario, etc etc started that Culture in NYC not Jamaicans. You copied Toasting from Black American Jive Talk Count Matchuki already said this. "Y'all didn't start DJing until the 70s" Stop it Y'all copied Toasting from Black American Radio DJs Jive Talk Jocko Henderson, Dr. Hepcat, Jack the Rapper etc etc were doing that in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s Y'all copied Black American Radio DJs Count Matchuki and Coxsone Dodd already said this Bruh why you calling Coxsone Dodd and Count Matchuki Liars 🤔
First of all you full of shite, Charlie Rock was a b-boy in the 70s and he was there and he straight up said that it was DJ Cool Hercules that started this shit. I got the whole interview right here. Why we had our musical influence from you guys that turntable DJing shit with the sound systems versus other sound systems and toasting along with it was all us and we did it in the late '50s and y'all started in the seventies so we was 20 years ahead of y'all ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html it was around 16 minutes into the interview
@@AJ-pc5ln like I told the other brothers and I probably told you already but y'all be hard of hearing, History already said that we started the DJing trend and sound systems battling against each other back in the late 50s. Flowers was back in early seventies. Y'all 20 years late. Matter fact I got a Charlie rock video right here 16 minutes into the video that gives all the credit to Hercules. He basically said Hercules is the one started it and the b-boy stuff started from the Spades. But look Charlie Rock was there and you wasn't! ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html
@@AJ-pc5ln this is reply number two. I have it on video you trying to call Charlie Rock a liar and making up your own history. He straight up says DJ Cool Hercules was the one who started it and the whole thing ain't start till 74. DJ Cool Hercules party was in 73. He ain't say nothing about no King Mario especially not in this interview. He did mention the b-boy thing started with the baby Spades. But already you already defeated. I admit that we took all our music from you but that DJ and stuff started with us. Soundsystem versus sound systems and who had the best records started with us. We popularized the toasting and we took it and harnessed it and made it our own. Yeah I was just doing it on radios we was doing it as DJs. And this in turn came to America and that's how hip-hop started and that's how rap started. Ask Charlie Rock!
This should prove to the Jamaicans and other Caribbeans that they didn’t create HipHop. HipHop is a Black American art form thats an amalgamation of Black American cultures. Please stop trying to ethnocide our lineage and culture.
@@Mya_water lies. Our culture is nothing like African culture. Black Americans had an ethnogenesis and thats why our culture is uniquely ours. Now Jamaicans and other Caribbeans and Latin Americans have a closer connection and similarities to African culture because they maintain almost 80%-90% of their African culture. Thats why their music sound like African traditional music, but Black Americans have music that sounds nothing like African music and our culture is nothing like any African culture.
Yes RnB etc had a big influence on reggae that's known but the dynamics from dancehall music Which is different from reggae it's basically Jamaican street music , with sound system battles and people chatting over the mic for hours and playing the record with live effects called dub that dynamics was brought to the bronx So that's what people are saying That's the difference
Reggae came before dancehall. Btw, dancehall was definitely influenced by r&b(80s dancehall) and hip hop(90s dancehall) you can tell that shaba ranks, red rat, super cat etc imitated their style and fashion from hip hop. The only thing that unique is the dub sound aka heavy bass. The toasting stuff is all American with a jamaican accent(patois).
BTW, kool herc got the sound systems from the US, so this idea that west Indian's bringing their sound systems is a myth since the likes of Tyrone the mixologist and kool dj dee already had sound system before herc even became a dj.
Just saw this excerpt about older toasting origins - "African traditions, such as griots chanting over a drum beat...". So. Why can't we come to terms with the FACT that everything has origins from older traditions carried over and evolved over time? There's migrations here, borrowings there, contributions there, but all of this debate about who first did what is irrelevant if you remain ignorant of even older traditions. "Culture" does not evolve overnight on a slave plantation.
One person argued here that *"The South didn't have cars or busses (properly spelled buses) until the 1990s"* 😂😂😂 That is absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps that is true for Jamaica, a remote, desolate, rural, third-world country. However, the South has been developed. We have had cars, *buses* trains, etc. for centuries. He continued to argue in defeat after being told that Jamaican music poineers stated that they got the sound system idea from the US when they worked as seasonal farm workers and attended Black American block parties. His hate has him emotional, arguing about an element of Hip-Hop that has NOTHING to do with the person falsely named as the creator, NOTHING to do with his homeland, and NOTHING to do with his countrymen.
What you guys don’t understand is, Jamaicans never said they created hip hop. This is just a few individuals that have a misconception in their mind that Jamaican sound system culture is what lead of New Yorkers having big parties and toasting. This is the misconception that some people have. This stems from the fact that a lot of notorious dudes in the early hip hop movement had Jamaican or Caribbean roots like herc for example. Another reason is Jamaicas proximity to the USA means that we were doing our own thing musically the same time as Americans were. Dancehall developed alongside hip hop. That’s the irony. Dancehall couldn’t have created hip hop because it didn’t predate hip hop.
Truth be told.. we are one! There was a tune back in the 70s called Hiccup and the reverse side of the 45 was Echo. This was toasting and sounded very much like U-Roy. Is anyone familiar? I just need the artist's name.. Can no longer find on tube.
It's right that they copied R&B records, but this isn't credited as reggae. the early songs like my boy lollipop are actually credited as "Jamaican r&b" Reggae would not exist without african americans, but that doesn't mean it's a carbon copy. EARLY MUSIC IN JAMAICA in the 1950s IS *THE CARBOM COPY, NOT REGGAE ITSELF* A rhythm like this... ruclips.net/video/rf8GjhXvOjU/видео.html is distinctively jamaican. That's when reggae was in its prime. The guitar technique is its own style. a cultural difference between caribbean and african-american music is that it's seen more as a ritual in the caribbean, like african burro drumming prayers (not musical influence). this does not just apply to reggae but dennery, calypso and other styles all across the caribbean. Before nat turner's ghost comes to reply, I'm not saying that Jamaicans didnt copy early r&b, and im not saying that reggae would exist without AA music, but what I am saying is that although it is influenced by AAs, it is a very distinctive style and separate in many ways from AA music, that's why it's always sounded best done in Jamaica and London, where there is cultural practice of it
We’ll give you that, but just know we are the mothers and fathers of all modern music globally. Jamaicans didn’t create or influence none of our music, but Black Americans influenced all of Jamaican modern music. FBA is tired of immigrant groups trying to ethnocide our culture. #wearetheculture
It is well known that rhythm and blues influence the creation of ska which influence the creation of reggae. It is also known that the Jamaican music scene in the 70s influenced early hip-hop. Toasting by the way, did not come from R&B. Everybody influenced everybody because we’re all living on the same planet, listening to each other’s music. If everyone can accept that American music influences the world, there is no shame in excepting that world music influenced American music. I’m sure if you watch the whole documentary you would get a better idea of the truth.
Toasting came from African American jive talking. There is no jamaican influence whatsoever in hip hop, they sound nothing like each other. Hip hop roots are funk music. Kool herc and grandmaster flash admit this themselves.
And where did black Americans learn theirs from? Black Americans are a merge of black culture and white culture. What makes you feel better than other black people in the entire world is white people's culture because black people didnt invent the turntable etc etc. But probably with toasting, it was picked from America and "Jamaicanized" thats why the dj and sound system culture is Jamaican
@memphisakan4691 stop the madness! Black Americans are the most imitated and the most humble people.We don’t imitate or try to claim other peoples achievements. We don’t brag or boast about our culture but when we do, some people feelings get hurt and try to discredit us. Why is that when the proof is in the pudding? You can believe what you want but the truth has been told and documented. Case closed!
@@FBA_AllTHEWAY lol you dont need to scream. When are you black and when are you American? If you come to Africa, you will feel white. So called black culture is actually cracker culture. Jamaicans are more closer to blackness than Americans. Even they too have a scot irish influence
Out of all white people, only Scottish, Irish and Eastern European have a culture. The African American culture has nothing to do with any other ethnicity it was created from there soul and then you got white people imitating hence the white people got no culture and rhythm emerges. Btw, nobody imitates that Irish and Scottish crap since its all mechanical and no rhythm. African American dance and fashion is the most Imitated worldwide.
No you are not, your people were enslaved by England. There are no ox's in the Caribbean but you claim oxtail in your culture, like the slavers in America gave us chitterling and chicken necks and wings we claim it in our culture. We all made the food our OWN way. We got scraps too. Because a man gives you a guitar doesn't mean you can't have your OWN style or flavor playing it..@@memphisakan4691
No it just highlights is that Jamaican artists tried to totally replicate the Jump Blues sound. The imitation did develop and greatly influenced Ska music.
@@mayena Bruh Blues and Ska aren't Melodically similar, it's compared to R&B not Blues. And Ska existed before R&B with Calypso songs like Ba Boo La La from Roaring Lion.
@@boycottactivisionno it didn't, why are you lying??? Ska is an Imitation of jazz/RNB music. There is no mento/calypso influence in ska music whatsoever. No pioneer in Jamaica has ever claimed this mento/calypso influence. This video even claims they copied African American music not carribean.
@@fk90-b9z Chill bruh, Roaring Lion made Ska in the 1930's you can hear it in a song Called Babo La La. Also other Calypso songs. Also if you watch the rest of the documentary there's about four different theories to where Ska came from. The FBA just latched on to this one part
Talk about a man trying to gain fame in another country and that’s Sir Coxsone with his reporter.He also call himself the king of soundsystem in this same interview I can put so much holes that interview that these Americans drooling over to cut down the ingenuity of Daddy Uroy’s work, and the soundsystem that influence the same Sir Coxsone before he ever had a soundsystem didn’t even get brought up😂😂😂
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 all I’m saying there was soundsystem before that man who was already crowned king. Why he waited to go to England stated he’s the king and if it wasn’t for the soundsystem before him he wouldn’t give a damn about building a soundsystem. Also in England before him reaching there Duke in the 50s had a soundsystem which never lost a soundclash. But I’m not here to educate,just to point to a direction where to look for real info than just taking one man word about soundsystem culture.
@@James-lu4hb I’m not star struck or an attention seeker entertainer looking for fame like those on the video. We have many that were more famous than those on the video except for Jimmy cliff who used our own music culture, which make them FBJ you’re the one that are Press about your FBA that’s why you making a dumb and ridiculous claim that we don’t have our own culture
Jamaicans if they are not Indian( South Asian ) or Anything else are fundamentally African. They or their ancestors were brought from Africa. We or our ancestors were brought from Africa. The British ruled Jamaica. The British ruled America. Anything that Jamaicans have that is not African more than likely came from the British. Most of anything we in America do that is not African is probably British.
What I guess is being argued is where hip hop came from. There are definitely recordings of AAs rapping before the official timeframe of hip hop starting in New York. But then while it may not be "rap" exactly I have heard right here on youtube Nigerians doing poetry in their language and it has a "flow" to it
Grafiti is another. Did we AAs invent that ? No we did not originate writing on walls or drawing on walls. If you don't have grafiti you don't have real hip hop culture
Breaking or breakdancing. That's really acrobatics we did not invent that either. Someone told me their was footage of AAs doing break dance in the 1800s the only thing I found was a clearly not Black kid doing some flips and he did I think spin on his head. But then I have seen footage of Africans dancing in a village doing what looks kind of like breakdancing. Some of the moves of break dancing are similar to caporeira. We were not known for doing what looks like break dancing tap dancing was the most popular AA dance no traditional AA dance involves being upside down
A rudimentary lawyer could quickly dismember the arguments you have in this video😂. Even though none of the arguments technically belong to you. You are using quotes to misrepresent facts. At no time were they discussing the development of hip-hop in their dialogue. If we are to argue that talking over a rhythm is the development of toasting, then technically West Africans develop it.
Toasting didn't come from America, I watched the documentary and you guys remove a gap of the documentary to make your point clear, I watched the documentary, and you didn't even put the right parts, and toasting came from the Jamaicans on the field and the rastafarians.
That man literally said where he got it from lmaoooooo toasting is basically a Jamaican version of jive talk they stole from black American disc jockeys! Don’t be mad at facts!!
Which one is it talk are toast cause Count machuki wasn’t toasting. And the others about RnB said they tried to copy. And it didn’t work so what are you really 😂 cause I can say the same when jazz musicians covered Jamaican folk music in the 1920s we know where our music come from keep trying 😂 black Americans music take from Caribbean’s also the “Spanish tinge” and tresillo
You realize Jamaica had no radio stations In the 20s??? They had to listen to southern American radio stations. U-Roy even used jacko Hendersons catch phase “your an ace from outter space” for his album title. Jamaica didn’t get it first recording studio until 1959 🤣🤣🤣. Do we have to get into the history of the Jamaican sound system??? 🤣🤣🤣 We birthed y’all musically.
@@anthonyjones140 really dude!!! You don’t want to waste my time…trust me!!! Humble yourself and research before more embarrassment!!!! 1.We had recording studios in the 1940s 2. We had soundsystem in the 1940s 3. Ain’t nothing wrong if Uroy used an phrase from another radio disc jockey 4. You must not have seen my other comments on other videos like this.If you had you would’ve think twice before coming at me with your no clue about Jamaican culture and history.really pathetic!!!
First off humble yourself, because you come with no facts to back up your erroneous claims. I said, Jamaica had no radio stations in the 20s. They had to listen(meaning they were influenced by) to American DJs all the way up to the mid 60s. Then on top of that, your also lying about poor ass Jamaica having recoding studios in the 40s. One google search deaded that BS in one minute. “The federal Probably the oldest studio of significant importance. Owned by Ken Khouri, the man who first licensed American records in the island, and also the first label there.Federal Records. He opened his studio in 1961 and some of the first Jamaican r'n'b and ska singles and productions by Dodd, Reid, Buster and Lloyd "Matador" Dale were cut there” 🤣🤣🤣 Now let see you debunk that goat herder. Need the source??? Next, this damn video is full of Jamaican themselves telling you were they got the idea of systems and music from. Yet, you chose to ignore facts. My homeboy told me himself. Him and his family use to sell ice on the streets of Jamaica in the 90s before coming to America. He said he didn’t even know people had ice makers in there homes before coming to America. Yet we supposed to believe. A people that poor was running around dressed in designer clothes and playing with turn tables, amps, mixers etc in the damn 60s??? 🤣🤣🤣 You was lucky to not have to walk around barefoot. Stop with the jokes. That slow ass island got everything from America and we still feed y’all tell this very day. That’s pathetic!!!!
Y'all are totally playing yourself. You didn't hear what the video say because you want to hear what you want to hear. The man in the video and all those people admit that they took everything from the US. And this is why they started buying records to play on their sound systems. But the sound systems itself was created by us. And the toasting we got the idea from listening to radio disc jockeys but we put it with the sound systems. Which that's a whole different thing all together. Because we started the sound system thing battling against each other back in the late 50s. All we did was play an American music on a turntable to entertain ourselves and dance and this style we brought to America and that's how hip-hop started. Ask anyone, Charlie rock, Melly mel, Coke la Rock, and even Grandmaster Flash and they all name about three different pioneers as the creators of Hip Hop. A Jamaican by the name of DJ Cool Hercules, African Bambaataa, and bam. They all are saying the same thing and all these people are from the islands. So yeah we took our musical influence from you guys but that DJing and turntable stuff we started that trend and we brought that Trend here to the US. The sound systems battling against each other and toasting each other we started that Trend and then y'all started doing that in the seventies but we was already doing that in the 50s. So we was 20 years ahead of y'all
Actually that is false. Outdoor block parties with DJs have been going on in the US since the 1930s, the earliest documented block party with a paid DJ (that Ive seen personally)was for Jean Murell Capers in 1945. She held a block party for the community while running for city council and a DJ was paid to play music, make announcements, accommodate competitions etc. There are newspaper articles archived about this specific party in Cleveland Ohio as well as others archived in the Chicago Defender. And for reference DJ Hollywood is considered The Godfather of Hip Hop Rap style.
@@renelarock5331 I call b******* because there's no way you can play a block party on the streets if you didn't even have the amps and the power enough to play your sound systems and on top of that you have nothing on record However you could look up the history books and they'll say Jamaica created the first amp that allowed for turntables to be played on PA systems in the streets And we got a documentary about it ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO @4:54 “While I was there, I sent the amplifier along with a lot of records and stuff like that” -Sir Coxone Dodd He would have never made these comments if the US didn’t already produce amplifiers.
@@renelarock5331 that was shows how funny you are because it was not him who created the amplifier that could work with turntables so why are you even quoting him? ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
@@renelarock5331 sorry this was the Right video tells about the two innovators who engineered the sound systems in the 1940s. Cox stone Dodd Had nothing to do with it ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
What is this title? 😂 How many black Americans today even know who tf the Drifters, Fats, Jackie, Supremes, The Crests, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers? But wanna fight music you barely recognize/acknowledge/respect/reprise/raise up? Crazy moves.
Bob Marley was influenced by jazz, R&B and blues! All genres that were created by Foundational black Americans 🤷🏾♀️He was influenced by our black liberation movements and incorporated it into his music! That’s factssss!
@@BennyNegroFromQueens URoy was heavily influenced by Louis Jordan and Jocko Henderson. He referred to Louis Jordan as “the first rapper to him” and he recorded a song named “Ace from outer space” in homage to Jocko Henderson’s radio program that was also called the Ace from Outer Space.
@@BennyNegroFromQueens I looked up U Roy and came to the 40 Greatest Hits of U Roy, that’s not hip hop and that’s not rap, that’s pure Jamaican music 🎶 James brown is more hip hop and rap, I’m 55 years old And Jamaicans wasn’t into rap or hip hop like that unless they were rocking with African Americans, I grew up with Jamaicans and only a few was into rap music so stop it, they wasn’t coming from Jamaica trying to rap like that, I know the truth, the first rap record was black African Americans, I used to rap in different states and no Jamaicans was rapping like black Americans, nice try that’s why Jamaicans aren’t rapping like that today, busta rhymes is washed up Bobby Smurder is corny, who else?
Hey brutha. What happened to the long version of this video? Why is the video not available anymore? That was really good info. Thanks and keep up the good work. I really like your videos.
Junie Mcknight... word! good question... I'm asking the same question... the longer version of this video was blocked... by who? I don't know yet
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Obviously Jack The Rapper Gibson is ture pioneer of radio, he give the birth of radio personality suggests it have to be entertainment. And Jocko Henderson was the first to rapping to R&B back n the 50s.
@@donaldmccall3968 word
Junie Mcknight the video is now unblocked and restored publicly
@Micheal Waynetv I saw that the video was back up. I guess you were spittin' too much 🔥 so they had to block it. Truth is truth!!
Their OGs straight up saying we copied the black Americans” and they still deny
It's a good thing we have all this video footage so no one has to depend on stories....still waiting for the Puerto Ricans and Italians to show up😆
@@QuatMan exactly! They’ll just keep talking kool herc
@@joeytunez I am actually SO excited to see this surge of self knowledge and unappologetic pride that we have in ourselves now. Now that we are declaring our identity as the people who built America,produced ALL the best aspects of it, and are advocating for ourselves exclusively and sharing our innovations from science to music, folks have lost their minds😆😆 They are especially mad because we are reminding 75% of folks in the country that we aint immigrants like them😅
Now that we are telling everyone that they aint us and their issues aint ours, and we are TAKING BACK everything we created and boycotting anything and anyone that even has a HINT of anti FBA, AFTER demonstrating that we are so powerful that we can lead an international protest against police violence, everyone is trying to hurry up and try to remain attached to us or claim our
legacy ( which we aren't having).
With tech and social media, we are able to make our own documentaries about any aspect of our legacy that we want, and put it out there for people to find when the time comes. The mainstream is even becoming irrelevant because NONE of what is being produced has been signed off by us😆
They to jealous to admit the truth, I'm talking about the new generation of them, they are to ignorant
@@QuatMan Immigrants like them? How the fuck did the majority of us arrive here? GTFOH with your ignorance azz. We ain't boycotting shyt. The music industry has been poisoning our youth with degrading music and images and we still ain't boycott the radio stations and record companies. The FBA black middle class could give a two shyt about the poor and working class FBAs. What international protest against police violence did we lead? BLM? A movement funded by white philanthropist George Soros?
There is no future for FBAs without a Pan-African consciousness. FBAs must do both simultanesously. Build a self- identity parallel with an African consciousness. Wasn't that what the Jamaican Marcus Garvey was telling us FBAs all the time.
"Up you might race and accomplish what you will"
5:43 🙋🏾♂️The Jamaican OG said he LEARNED "TOASTING" FROM AMERICA then TOOK IT BACK TO Jamaica.
Yes that’s what the Jamaican 🇯🇲man said, why should he lie for?????
@@abdurraheemali9303 He not the problem, we respect his honesty...it's you new generation Jamaicans that love to lie
@@marsha7748 Ya'll love to take people culture as your own and don't know anything about Jamaican culture, they also have documentaries lying about fba culture as well and stating that jamaicans create it to the point where tariq nasheed have to make another one, i dont belive any documentaries because all of them tell a different story.
@@Dania_333 How do we take other people's culture? I've been black American my whole life, all I know is my black American culture, I don't have to know anything about Jamaican culture, I'm not Jamaican and I don't live in Jamaica and I've never been interested in it
It seems like Caribbean people from earlier generations had honor and integrity but many of these West Indians born in the 70’s and 80’s carry a deep resentment for Black Americans and lack integrity. Look at Rihanna routinely on MLK’s birthday circulating memes of our ancestor with gold teeth in his mouth that she knows is disrespectful. Niki Minaj is another one with her lyrics related to Rosa Parks and another disrespectful jab at Malcolm X.
Damn brah! You bust the myth of Hip Hop started with Jamaicans wide open! America started Hip Hop! #BX
BLACK Americans created Hip Hop! Jamaicans actually stole from us! Even our Jamaican brother in this video admits it. However we already knew that! 😂
@@ImaginaryasssholeJamaicans act like they don't know that...that Kool herc guy already admitted he copied from Black Americans, but these Jamaicans today act like they don't know that either
@@marsha7748 They are stiffneck.
@@marsha7748 where did he say that show me proof?
@@jahmainemason559 You can look it up, just like you just asked me
Showing the Jamaican youth this proof will not make a difference to the arrogant ones. It is not about hip hop they just don't like us and I'm cool with that but get the history right.
I don't like them neither so screw them
Facts lol they will call us liars
I don't like them either..lol
NOT AFTER THEY SEE THIS VIDEO..LOL
Jamaicans have a jealous admiration which led to envy and culture thievery
Toasting comes from 'toast-telling' in Black American folkloric tradition and dates back to the 30s. Toast-telling was a widespread practice for Black Americans from New York, to Philadelphia, Texas, to LA. It's documented in a book called 'Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me' originally published in 1974.
Thanks for this info brutha!
Thank you! This is great information.
A lot y’all don’t realize before Africans were taking to America yall were in the Caribbean. Hence the banjo used in country music was brought to America from the Caribbean.
@Mya_water The Banjo comes from Africa not the Caribbean. Stop trying to TETHER YOUR SELVES TO US. We are lazy, low IQ, soft Yankees not no Caribbeans. You're trying to flip what you heard these men say to make it seem like in actuality it all comes from the Caribbean anyway. FBA'S were working in Thomas Edisons workshop not Caribbeans. You got it from the Yankees. Facts is Facts 💯
Somebody please show this to all of the new generation of Jamaicans, thats delusional, even Bob Marley gave and paid homage to black americans for being his inspiration
this was def needed
thx 4 posting
Truth set us free
Free from what? White Supremacy?
Is Hip Hop the greatest achievement of Black Americans.? So sad to see all this energy wasted on this Hip Hop B.S.
Somebody please show Busta Rhymes this video!
He seen it but he wanna make up his own story
@@loopygod1357 Facts !
Buster Rymes was still right!
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO Stop doing drugs! Busted lies is wrong, but I guess when you are comfortable with interloping and being a culture vulture you can believe anything. Its laughable 🤣🤣.
@@lockvegas05 bro we started the whole sound system thing bro.
ruclips.net/video/aASQlbktGkc/видео.html
Thank you for setting the record straight👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I'm so glad the TRUTH coming out..FBA ALL DAY
Y'all got nothing but lies but hear what Charlie Rock got to say
ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html
I only just learned about toasting and this is so informative and interesting. Thank you for sharing!
Toasting comes from 'toast-telling' in Black American folkloric tradition and dates back to the 30s. Toast-telling was a widespread practice for Black Americans from New York, to Philadelphia, Texas, to LA. It's documented in a book called 'Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me' originally published in 1974.
I respect the OG Jamaicans and the ones on the island and the few who were fortunate enough to slip through the cracks to get into the states and keep it on code but these new niggas they something else....
Man, fuck you. Toasting makes Jamaican music🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do you know what is toasting speaking over music basically a DJ
@@shamarstewart362right, you guys got the idea of that from black American radio.
Somebody should send this documentary to Bam, Herc Flash Krs Busta and the entire jamaica or anyone saying JA started hip hop none sense.
HERC never stated he created hip hop....He is the FATHER because he ushered in a youth movement of B-Boys with his massive Sound System. He was also a graffiti writer and dancer. No other pioneer can claim that.....He is much the FATHER of hip hop as James Brown is the GODFATHER of soul. Both of them were given titles for music that they did not create.
@@ColtanFreefirst of all he got his sound systems from the USA so all that is irrelevant. The whole culture came from the gangs aka black spades and bboy dancing originates from uprock amd jazz. James brown is funk music not soul. Kool herc did nothing in hip hop other than using a technique that was already used in music before which came from dj pete jones. So what is exactly is he a father of??? He rarely contributed anything, not trying to knock him off. Same goes to afrika bambataa. Only dj flash contributed out of three.
Read my post again dawg!....You have poor reading comprehension.
@@ColtanFreehe didn’t create graffiti a black American man named cornbread from Philly did!
@@gennadicole7102that’s debatable. Philly has their own graff culture that’s independent of NYC. It’s independent of “hip hop”. Being the first…I don’t know how you claim to that. Maybe he was the first one to take it to the streets with consistency. Freight train monikers have been a thing since the Great Depression.
Thank you for putting this out #FBA
Pure bs
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWOit bullshit but these people who were doing it more than lightly before you were born are telling you what they doing... The truth is right in your face and you still don't believe it....
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWOhow the of said they were inspired I don’t get how it’s ba
We might as well admit that FBAs are the Father of ALL modern popular music.ijs
Exactly
From and economic standpoint this makes sense. Black people around the world didn’t have the resources in 60’s and 70’s that black Americans had, even though black Americans resources were limited as well. So there is absolutely no way American blacks would have gotten the idea of hip hop or any other form of music from anywhere but America. In the later years (80’s) I believe that Caribbean music started to bring influences into hip hop. But definitely not in the beginning.
All the musical system technologies existed in the states way before it trinkled down into the carribeans.
There was no music system technologies in the Caribbean. So who the fuck created the musical instrumental called the Steel Pan? GTFOH with your lack of world knowledge.
It's so much of documented footage that we have as black Americans, that can easily prove all of their lies wrong
@@marsha7748 What lies? This silly shit about Hip Hop is consuming to much of your time. Is Hip Hop the greatest development in the history of World Black Culture? GTFOH.
The technology existed BUT Jamaica was using sound system for stret parties and that's what was brought to America. Yall really want it to be one singular thing that created Hip Hop. By the of events and society that's impossible
@@Mya_water Jamaican migration was mostly if not all in NY, so how was others states having street parties before the creation of hip hop?
It shoyld not be a surprise that jamaicans did not create our music, as they are not us and have a different culture.
The Blues was one of the most distinct sounds/syles of music in the world. No where else in the diaspora could you find its elements at a significant level
Yes true however there is a link or web of influence they loved american music everyone did
@@Abstract.Noir414 where is the link? Where is the influence?
Charlie Rock says otherwise. He give credit to dj Herc ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html
Wrong though. Because One factor is that we created an element of hiphop y'all totally overlook
Real authentic history 💯 Salute 💪🏾
Somebody show this to busta
Someone please copy this and post it to Instagram, Facebook, X and other social media platforms so this can spread.
This is the TRUTH from the ORGINGAL JAMAICAN PIONEERS.
Hear Hear. I ❤ the respect 🙏
Yes Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay on their necks!!!! Salute. 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Stop it. We created sound systems which is the main reason hip hop was created. Ouch!!
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO not true
@@abdurraheemali9303 it is so true! If you check the history of the sound system it's Jamaicans that created it, we put the right amp in it that was able to cause it to be able to play on the streets. And then we took it to England and from England and adapter to Japan and Italy and other places and then it came back around to the US so by the 1970s the US had what we created back in the late 50s. And because of this the sound system it was what really influenced Hip Hop because by then a man by the name of DJ Cool Hercules had a sound system and he played his jams on the streets and that's when b-boy and break dancing began because people were dancing to his music that he played
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWOso even with testimonial, video taped truth, your still going to hold on to the lies?!?!? 😂😂😂😂
This is why diaspora wars are ridiculous
@ Michael Waynetv
It's like you said before, we all was dropped off at different stops coming out of Africa, so yeah Black Americans and Black West Indians are one people...however, you gotta respect the parents of this global thing called hip hop and showing which direction the R&B influence flowed will tell u where the flow of direction for hip hop originated; otherwise they'll write us outta history. We got too many other people trying to do that already. We don't need other black folks doing it to us too!
We are not one people, you are immigrants and you are some other people.
@@Thebrothaisback
Prove your point since your assertion is so direct; almost as though you know me and my personal background.
@@seanwright8786 you peoples are from jamaica, we are from the USA. We do not share the same culture, we dont look alike, we are not related, we dont name our sons Patrick, you are under the UK - we are not. You impose yourselves on us, while we dont care about you. You do not impose yourselves on your fellow caribbeans. Any deeper, and it turns into a lecture.
@@Thebrothaisback
Bruh,
Ain't nothing about me from Jamaica. I'm a cornbread eating black man. You would do better to have a full and complete knowledge before you declare things.
No we aren't. We are different and need to accept that. We are the only ones who hold this v ou we and it has hurt us tremendously
GREAT WORK LIKE ALWAYS! ✊🏿✊🏿
I appreciate that!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I get into A LOT of debates with Jamaicans/ Caribbeans about who started hip hop and I don't have to say anything because I just send them different clips of your documentary and that speaks for itself and they shut up because they have no answer for it! 😂😂😂✊🏿✊🏿
The Truth Hurts ... word that's what's up
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 sorry but you are completely missing the X factor and i can't allow that to happen. Busta was wrong but only partially
Absolute truth 💯👏🏽🙌🏾
Absolute bs
At least someone tell the truth. They copied Our American music the same way they copy our slangs.
And AAs are using Jamaican slang too....BIG UP!
@@ColtanFree you must be talking about them NYC mfks. Cause don’t nobody in the south, Midwest or the west coast uses 🇯🇲 slang. Or maybe your talking about the UK
@@Taniawest34 You folks not from the northeast coast are some funny azz cats. I heard Snoop "Lion" use their slang nuff times when he was smoking that rasta weed. 😂
@@ColtanFreeCAN YOU NAME ONE POPULAR SLANG TERM WE USE FROM JAMAICANS??
@@firsteyebeats2617exactly! Because I can’t think of one lmaooo
This from the 2002 BBC documentary Reggae: The Story Of Jamaican Music.
Yep, y'all right rapping started back n the 1920s bye The Memphis Jug Band, when they were rhyming on the plantation fields.
Rap is just spoken word you don’t need
I saw this on HBO a long time ago
We love our caribbean brothers and sisters.
They want to say they created Hip-hop lol but when you bring this up they deny deny deny 🤣
Bro first of all we got all of our musical influences from y'all but then we because we didn't make our own music we had nothing but turntables. We started the DJing trend. And toasting wasn't even something I was doing DJ and yeah we heard toasting from the radio stations from here in America but we turned it into the DJ and thing but we were doing toasting and DJing in the 50s and y'all ain't even start DJing until the seventies so we was 20 years before y'all
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO No you didn't LOL the DJ trend was started by Black Americans. Grandmaster Flowers, Disco King Mario, etc etc started that Culture in NYC not Jamaicans. You copied Toasting from Black American Jive Talk Count Matchuki already said this. "Y'all didn't start DJing until the 70s" Stop it Y'all copied Toasting from Black American Radio DJs Jive Talk Jocko Henderson, Dr. Hepcat, Jack the Rapper etc etc were doing that in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s Y'all copied Black American Radio DJs Count Matchuki and Coxsone Dodd already said this Bruh why you calling Coxsone Dodd and Count Matchuki Liars 🤔
First of all you full of shite, Charlie Rock was a b-boy in the 70s and he was there and he straight up said that it was DJ Cool Hercules that started this shit. I got the whole interview right here. Why we had our musical influence from you guys that turntable DJing shit with the sound systems versus other sound systems and toasting along with it was all us and we did it in the late '50s and y'all started in the seventies so we was 20 years ahead of y'all ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html it was around 16 minutes into the interview
@@AJ-pc5ln like I told the other brothers and I probably told you already but y'all be hard of hearing, History already said that we started the DJing trend and sound systems battling against each other back in the late 50s. Flowers was back in early seventies. Y'all 20 years late. Matter fact I got a Charlie rock video right here 16 minutes into the video that gives all the credit to Hercules. He basically said Hercules is the one started it and the b-boy stuff started from the Spades. But look Charlie Rock was there and you wasn't! ruclips.net/video/GVHdt6d-ixg/видео.html
@@AJ-pc5ln this is reply number two. I have it on video you trying to call Charlie Rock a liar and making up your own history. He straight up says DJ Cool Hercules was the one who started it and the whole thing ain't start till 74. DJ Cool Hercules party was in 73. He ain't say nothing about no King Mario especially not in this interview. He did mention the b-boy thing started with the baby Spades. But already you already defeated. I admit that we took all our music from you but that DJ and stuff started with us. Soundsystem versus sound systems and who had the best records started with us. We popularized the toasting and we took it and harnessed it and made it our own. Yeah I was just doing it on radios we was doing it as DJs. And this in turn came to America and that's how hip-hop started and that's how rap started. Ask Charlie Rock!
This doc. Is good one
Great Video!!!!
This should prove to the Jamaicans and other Caribbeans that they didn’t create HipHop. HipHop is a Black American art form thats an amalgamation of Black American cultures. Please stop trying to ethnocide our lineage and culture.
Black American culture is rooted in Africa. Both of which the American and Caribbean people are descendant from.
@@Mya_water lies. Our culture is nothing like African culture. Black Americans had an ethnogenesis and thats why our culture is uniquely ours. Now Jamaicans and other Caribbeans and Latin Americans have a closer connection and similarities to African culture because they maintain almost 80%-90% of their African culture. Thats why their music sound like African traditional music, but Black Americans have music that sounds nothing like African music and our culture is nothing like any African culture.
@@chopitupradio4286 FACTS!!!
Yes RnB etc had a big influence on reggae that's known but the dynamics from dancehall music Which is different from reggae it's basically Jamaican street music , with sound system battles and people chatting over the mic for hours and playing the record with live effects called dub that dynamics was brought to the bronx So that's what people are saying That's the difference
We have to be very accurate when we try to prove a point
When we say reggae we think Jamiacan music but it's dancehall sound system dub music/dub plate Music to be exact totally different
ruclips.net/video/K_tm5_f0ixo/видео.htmlsi=mrdY6oZ-v9xbrtsO
Reggae came before dancehall. Btw, dancehall was definitely influenced by r&b(80s dancehall) and hip hop(90s dancehall) you can tell that shaba ranks, red rat, super cat etc imitated their style and fashion from hip hop. The only thing that unique is the dub sound aka heavy bass. The toasting stuff is all American with a jamaican accent(patois).
BTW, kool herc got the sound systems from the US, so this idea that west Indian's bringing their sound systems is a myth since the likes of Tyrone the mixologist and kool dj dee already had sound system before herc even became a dj.
Just saw this excerpt about older toasting origins -
"African traditions, such as griots chanting over a drum beat...".
So. Why can't we come to terms with the FACT that everything has origins from older traditions carried over and evolved over time? There's migrations here, borrowings there, contributions there, but all of this debate about who first did what is irrelevant if you remain ignorant of even older traditions. "Culture" does not evolve overnight on a slave plantation.
Because Most people were 400 years removed so nobody alive had been to Africa. Nobody even know what Countries in Africa
Facts@@idiotu668
Name of song in the background 0- 39?
One person argued here that *"The South didn't have cars or busses (properly spelled buses) until the 1990s"* 😂😂😂 That is absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps that is true for Jamaica, a remote, desolate, rural, third-world country. However, the South has been developed. We have had cars, *buses* trains, etc. for centuries.
He continued to argue in defeat after being told that Jamaican music poineers stated that they got the sound system idea from the US when they worked as seasonal farm workers and attended Black American block parties.
His hate has him emotional, arguing about an element of Hip-Hop that has NOTHING to do with the person falsely named as the creator, NOTHING to do with his homeland, and NOTHING to do with his countrymen.
Burns when you got way too much pride don't it.
FBA
What you guys don’t understand is, Jamaicans never said they created hip hop. This is just a few individuals that have a misconception in their mind that Jamaican sound system culture is what lead of New Yorkers having big parties and toasting. This is the misconception that some people have. This stems from the fact that a lot of notorious dudes in the early hip hop movement had Jamaican or Caribbean roots like herc for example.
Another reason is Jamaicas proximity to the USA means that we were doing our own thing musically the same time as Americans were. Dancehall developed alongside hip hop.
That’s the irony. Dancehall couldn’t have created hip hop because it didn’t predate hip hop.
No No No theres people who say jamaicans created hip hop and the irony is that none of these dudes did island jamaican music.. Why?
From my understanding danchall was started after hip hop n was inspired by hip hop
@@uptownbladebrown wrong
@@trevormcdonald385 your right but it sounded nothing like dancehall from 89 to now.
How is this possible when mario was doing it before herc? When herculean was I fluency by bronxdale, bx
Truth be told.. we are one! There was a tune back in the 70s called Hiccup and the reverse side of the 45 was Echo. This was toasting and sounded very much like U-Roy. Is anyone familiar? I just need the artist's name.. Can no longer find on tube.
U-Roy copied everything he did from American DJs. Jamaican toasting is a copy of Black American jive talk
And we're not one.
It's right that they copied R&B records, but this isn't credited as reggae. the early songs like my boy lollipop are actually credited as "Jamaican r&b"
Reggae would not exist without african americans, but that doesn't mean it's a carbon copy. EARLY MUSIC IN JAMAICA in the 1950s IS *THE CARBOM COPY, NOT REGGAE ITSELF* A rhythm like this... ruclips.net/video/rf8GjhXvOjU/видео.html is distinctively jamaican. That's when reggae was in its prime. The guitar technique is its own style. a cultural difference between caribbean and african-american music is that it's seen more as a ritual in the caribbean, like african burro drumming prayers (not musical influence). this does not just apply to reggae but dennery, calypso and other styles all across the caribbean.
Before nat turner's ghost comes to reply, I'm not saying that Jamaicans didnt copy early r&b, and im not saying that reggae would exist without AA music, but what I am saying is that although it is influenced by AAs, it is a very distinctive style and separate in many ways from AA music, that's why it's always sounded best done in Jamaica and London, where there is cultural practice of it
Ok coconut
@@louisluck2253 😂
Wrong. The ska stroke comes directly from jazz. You can hear it in Kansas City Shuffle which is from 1929.
We’ll give you that, but just know we are the mothers and fathers of all modern music globally. Jamaicans didn’t create or influence none of our music, but Black Americans influenced all of Jamaican modern music. FBA is tired of immigrant groups trying to ethnocide our culture. #wearetheculture
It’s obvious that it isn’t because reggae doesn’t even sound like r&b
It is well known that rhythm and blues influence the creation of ska which influence the creation of reggae. It is also known that the Jamaican music scene in the 70s influenced early hip-hop. Toasting by the way, did not come from R&B. Everybody influenced everybody because we’re all living on the same planet, listening to each other’s music. If everyone can accept that American music influences the world, there is no shame in excepting that world music influenced American music. I’m sure if you watch the whole documentary you would get a better idea of the truth.
Toasting came from African American jive talking. There is no jamaican influence whatsoever in hip hop, they sound nothing like each other. Hip hop roots are funk music. Kool herc and grandmaster flash admit this themselves.
Toasting came from jive talk
Your welcome
And where did black Americans learn theirs from? Black Americans are a merge of black culture and white culture. What makes you feel better than other black people in the entire world is white people's culture because black people didnt invent the turntable etc etc. But probably with toasting, it was picked from America and "Jamaicanized" thats why the dj and sound system culture is Jamaican
@memphisakan4691 stop the madness! Black Americans are the most imitated and the most humble people.We don’t imitate or try to claim other peoples achievements. We don’t brag or boast about our culture but when we do, some people feelings get hurt and try to discredit us. Why is that when the proof is in the pudding? You can believe what you want but the truth has been told and documented. Case closed!
@@FBA_AllTHEWAY lol you dont need to scream. When are you black and when are you American? If you come to Africa, you will feel white. So called black culture is actually cracker culture. Jamaicans are more closer to blackness than Americans. Even they too have a scot irish influence
Out of all white people, only Scottish, Irish and Eastern European have a culture. The African American culture has nothing to do with any other ethnicity it was created from there soul and then you got white people imitating hence the white people got no culture and rhythm emerges. Btw, nobody imitates that Irish and Scottish crap since its all mechanical and no rhythm. African American dance and fashion is the most Imitated worldwide.
No you are not, your people were enslaved by England. There are no ox's in the Caribbean but you claim oxtail in your culture, like the slavers in America gave us chitterling and chicken necks and wings we claim it in our culture. We all made the food our OWN way. We got scraps too. Because a man gives you a guitar doesn't mean you can't have your OWN style or flavor playing it..@@memphisakan4691
nigga@@FBA_AllTHEWAY
What he won't show is Jamaicans couldn't copy AA music and almost made music opposite of them, playing notes on the wrong lines on different counts.
No it just highlights is that Jamaican artists tried to totally replicate the Jump Blues sound. The imitation did develop and greatly influenced Ska music.
@@mayena Bruh Blues and Ska aren't Melodically similar, it's compared to R&B not Blues. And Ska existed before R&B with Calypso songs like Ba Boo La La from Roaring Lion.
Boycott that’s deep
@@boycottactivisionno it didn't, why are you lying??? Ska is an Imitation of jazz/RNB music. There is no mento/calypso influence in ska music whatsoever. No pioneer in Jamaica has ever claimed this mento/calypso influence. This video even claims they copied African American music not carribean.
@@fk90-b9z Chill bruh, Roaring Lion made Ska in the 1930's you can hear it in a song Called Babo La La. Also other Calypso songs. Also if you watch the rest of the documentary there's about four different theories to where Ska came from. The FBA just latched on to this one part
Pure truth a so it go
And there is nothing wrong with that, it all Black Music 1 blood
IT'S BLACK AMERICAN MUSIC!!
That right brother
Talk about a man trying to gain fame in another country and that’s Sir Coxsone with his reporter.He also call himself the king of soundsystem in this same interview I can put so much holes that interview that these Americans drooling over to cut down the ingenuity of Daddy Uroy’s work, and the soundsystem that influence the same Sir Coxsone before he ever had a soundsystem didn’t even get brought up😂😂😂
Skbosd Game what do you mean ? can you elaborate?
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 all I’m saying there was soundsystem before that man who was already crowned king. Why he waited to go to England stated he’s the king and if it wasn’t for the soundsystem before him he wouldn’t give a damn about building a soundsystem. Also in England before him reaching there Duke in the 50s had a soundsystem which never lost a soundclash. But I’m not here to educate,just to point to a direction where to look for real info than just taking one man word about soundsystem culture.
@@skbosdgame8435 Yall copies FBA Period!!! Jamaica has no Culture
@@James-lu4hb I’m not star struck or an attention seeker entertainer looking for fame like those on the video. We have many that were more famous than those on the video except for Jimmy cliff who used our own music culture, which make them FBJ you’re the one that are Press about your FBA that’s why you making a dumb and ridiculous claim that we don’t have our own culture
@@skbosdgame8435 FBA been rapping since 1920 on record where is the Jamaican Rap from 1920? ruclips.net/video/XduDOvxIK8w/видео.html
Vultures
Jamaicans if they are not Indian( South Asian ) or Anything else are fundamentally African. They or their ancestors were brought from Africa. We or our ancestors were brought from Africa. The British ruled Jamaica. The British ruled America. Anything that Jamaicans have that is not African more than likely came from the British. Most of anything we in America do that is not African is probably British.
What I guess is being argued is where hip hop came from. There are definitely recordings of AAs rapping before the official timeframe of hip hop starting in New York. But then while it may not be "rap" exactly I have heard right here on youtube Nigerians doing poetry in their language and it has a "flow" to it
Rapping must have been going on for some time before it had a name to it. Rap is just one aspect of hip hop.
Grafiti is another. Did we AAs invent that ? No we did not originate writing on walls or drawing on walls. If you don't have grafiti you don't have real hip hop culture
Breaking or breakdancing. That's really acrobatics we did not invent that either. Someone told me their was footage of AAs doing break dance in the 1800s the only thing I found was a clearly not Black kid doing some flips and he did I think spin on his head. But then I have seen footage of Africans dancing in a village doing what looks kind of like breakdancing. Some of the moves of break dancing are similar to caporeira. We were not known for doing what looks like break dancing tap dancing was the most popular AA dance no traditional AA dance involves being upside down
DJing and talking on records is one thing they got from AAs
A rudimentary lawyer could quickly dismember the arguments you have in this video😂. Even though none of the arguments technically belong to you. You are using quotes to misrepresent facts. At no time were they discussing the development of hip-hop in their dialogue. If we are to argue that talking over a rhythm is the development of toasting, then technically West Africans develop it.
Toasting didn't come from America, I watched the documentary and you guys remove a gap of the documentary to make your point clear, I watched the documentary, and you didn't even put the right parts, and toasting came from the Jamaicans on the field and the rastafarians.
Where is the video then so we can see. We have been doing this since slavery until now and we have receipts. Receipts are what matters.
"I got idea of toasting from Americans" - Coxsone Dodd
That man literally said where he got it from lmaoooooo toasting is basically a Jamaican version of jive talk they stole from black American disc jockeys! Don’t be mad at facts!!
Which one is it talk are toast cause Count machuki wasn’t toasting. And the others about RnB said they tried to copy. And it didn’t work so what are you really 😂 cause I can say the same when jazz musicians covered Jamaican folk music in the 1920s we know where our music come from keep trying 😂 black Americans music take from Caribbean’s also the “Spanish tinge” and tresillo
You realize Jamaica had no radio stations In the 20s??? They had to listen to southern American radio stations. U-Roy even used jacko Hendersons catch phase “your an ace from outter space” for his album title. Jamaica didn’t get it first recording studio until 1959 🤣🤣🤣. Do we have to get into the history of the Jamaican sound system??? 🤣🤣🤣 We birthed y’all musically.
@@anthonyjones140 really dude!!! You don’t want to waste my time…trust me!!! Humble yourself and research before more embarrassment!!!! 1.We had recording studios in the 1940s 2. We had soundsystem in the 1940s 3. Ain’t nothing wrong if Uroy used an phrase from another radio disc jockey 4. You must not have seen my other comments on other videos like this.If you had you would’ve think twice before coming at me with your no clue about Jamaican culture and history.really pathetic!!!
First off humble yourself, because you come with no facts to back up your erroneous claims.
I said, Jamaica had no radio stations in the 20s. They had to listen(meaning they were influenced by) to American DJs all the way up to the mid 60s.
Then on top of that, your also lying about poor ass Jamaica having recoding studios in the 40s. One google search deaded that BS in one minute.
“The federal Probably the oldest studio of significant importance. Owned by Ken Khouri, the man who first licensed American records in the island, and also the first label there.Federal Records. He opened his studio in 1961 and some of the first Jamaican r'n'b and ska singles and productions by Dodd, Reid, Buster and Lloyd "Matador" Dale were cut there”
🤣🤣🤣
Now let see you debunk that goat herder. Need the source???
Next, this damn video is full of Jamaican themselves telling you were they got the idea of systems and music from. Yet, you chose to ignore facts.
My homeboy told me himself. Him and his family use to sell ice on the streets of Jamaica in the 90s before coming to America. He said he didn’t even know people had ice makers in there homes before coming to America. Yet we supposed to believe. A people that poor was running around dressed in designer clothes and playing with turn tables, amps, mixers etc in the damn 60s??? 🤣🤣🤣 You was lucky to not have to walk around barefoot. Stop with the jokes. That slow ass island got everything from America and we still feed y’all tell this very day. That’s pathetic!!!!
@@anthonyjones140 smoked him
@@NOLUCKMVCK dayuuum, he sure did
Were brothers and sisters. 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Y'all are totally playing yourself. You didn't hear what the video say because you want to hear what you want to hear. The man in the video and all those people admit that they took everything from the US. And this is why they started buying records to play on their sound systems. But the sound systems itself was created by us. And the toasting we got the idea from listening to radio disc jockeys but we put it with the sound systems. Which that's a whole different thing all together. Because we started the sound system thing battling against each other back in the late 50s. All we did was play an American music on a turntable to entertain ourselves and dance and this style we brought to America and that's how hip-hop started. Ask anyone, Charlie rock, Melly mel, Coke la Rock, and even Grandmaster Flash and they all name about three different pioneers as the creators of Hip Hop. A Jamaican by the name of DJ Cool Hercules, African Bambaataa, and bam. They all are saying the same thing and all these people are from the islands.
So yeah we took our musical influence from you guys but that DJing and turntable stuff we started that trend and we brought that Trend here to the US. The sound systems battling against each other and toasting each other we started that Trend and then y'all started doing that in the seventies but we was already doing that in the 50s. So we was 20 years ahead of y'all
Actually that is false. Outdoor block parties with DJs have been going on in the US since the 1930s, the earliest documented block party with a paid DJ (that Ive seen personally)was for Jean Murell Capers in 1945. She held a block party for the community while running for city council and a DJ was paid to play music, make announcements, accommodate competitions etc. There are newspaper articles archived about this specific party in Cleveland Ohio as well as others archived in the Chicago Defender.
And for reference DJ Hollywood is considered The Godfather of Hip Hop Rap style.
@@renelarock5331 I call b******* because there's no way you can play a block party on the streets if you didn't even have the amps and the power enough to play your sound systems and on top of that you have nothing on record
However you could look up the history books and they'll say Jamaica created the first amp that allowed for turntables to be played on PA systems in the streets
And we got a documentary about it
ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO @4:54 “While I was there, I sent the amplifier along with a lot of records and stuff like that”
-Sir Coxone Dodd
He would have never made these comments if the US didn’t already produce amplifiers.
@@renelarock5331 that was shows how funny you are because it was not him who created the amplifier that could work with turntables so why are you even quoting him?
ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
@@renelarock5331 sorry this was the Right video tells about the two innovators who engineered the sound systems in the 1940s.
Cox stone Dodd Had nothing to do with it
ruclips.net/video/nVxq-u9F-v8/видео.html
What is this title? 😂
How many black Americans today even know who tf the Drifters, Fats, Jackie, Supremes, The Crests, Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers? But wanna fight music you barely recognize/acknowledge/respect/reprise/raise up?
Crazy moves.
I do.. unless you are talking about Millennials and Gen Z mofos!!
FBAs
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Bob Marley doesn't sound like American black music. CAP.
Bob Marley was influenced by jazz, R&B and blues! All genres that were created by Foundational black Americans 🤷🏾♀️He was influenced by our black liberation movements and incorporated it into his music! That’s factssss!
Your liberation movement came from Marcus Garvey Bob Marley might have been influenced by you create his own style of music
@@gennadicole7102 and rap was created by Jamaican Nyers. Facts.
@@gennadicole7102 Bob just saud that to unify black people. Our music and culture is unique.
@@jahmainemason559 huh
Reggae and Ska is definitely American influenced. But Rap is definitely Jamaican influenced.
@@abdurraheemali9303 look up URoy please
@@BennyNegroFromQueens URoy was heavily influenced by Louis Jordan and Jocko Henderson. He referred to Louis Jordan as “the first rapper to him” and he recorded a song named “Ace from outer space” in homage to Jocko Henderson’s radio program that was also called the Ace from Outer Space.
@@renelarock5331 I don't argue with females. We can definitely date though. Step up shorty!!
@@renelarock5331 oh man. Do like hugs from behind?
@@BennyNegroFromQueens I looked up U Roy and came to the 40 Greatest Hits of U Roy, that’s not hip hop and that’s not rap, that’s pure Jamaican music 🎶 James brown is more hip hop and rap, I’m 55 years old And Jamaicans wasn’t into rap or hip hop like that unless they were rocking with African Americans, I grew up with Jamaicans and only a few was into rap music so stop it, they wasn’t coming from Jamaica trying to rap like that, I know the truth, the first rap record was black African Americans, I used to rap in different states and no Jamaicans was rapping like black Americans, nice try that’s why Jamaicans aren’t rapping like that today, busta rhymes is washed up Bobby Smurder is corny, who else?
FBA
Burns when you got way too much pride don't it.