I've got a V2 Born 58KW and I'm averaging 4.2m per KW. I don't use Cupra mode as the standard mode is quick enough for me. I'm new to EVs but so far I'm loving the car (apart from the haptic buttons on the steering wheel but I can live with them). I wish there was a Gridserve in the Midlands!
Thanks for another fun and informative video. Young Ben could get to see a world free of fossil fuel burning on the roads..let’s hope so. 😊Have to say that the Hyundai and Kia cars seem to be ahead of VW Group when it comes to efficiency, our winter/summer average on the e-Niro is 14.5 kWh/100 km...so about 4.3 miles/kWh....Most e-Niro owners in the UK I chat with seem to get around that mark.
When the car says you have say 300 miles of range is that with just the driver? or are the manufacturers figures based on carrying a passenger as well?
Nice enough car but tbh with manufacturers obliged to make only EVs come 2030 tell me where is all the electricity going to come from. I still believe Toyota and their research and progression with Hydrogen Cells is the way forward, what do you think. Oh and one further point, when everyone has to drive an EV cost of electricity is bound to skyrocket
I was genuinely shocked about the cost of lunch! I drive an old LPG volvo and can't afford to pay that kind of money for lunch even though my fuel bill would be £35. That is why I buy meal deals for lunch if I am out and about or take it with me!!😯
I've had mine (58KW) for roughly 5000 miles. Honest appraisal so far. Lovely/smooth/handles superbly & quiet to drive. Full charge averages about 230 miles (mostly motorway), very comfortable, loads of safety features that really impresses me. Negatives, haptic buttons are a little fiddly, sound system not great and not as loud/as many features as i would want. Clima (air) control, this is the thing that pisses me off the most, i have not found a wau just to use a fan without the clima being on. As soon as it's turned on it eats into my range, although not massive it simply shouldn't be an issue at all. If anyone has sussed out how to do it please let me know. Overall; this is my first EV and there is sooooo much to like about it, just hope some of the little gripes can be ironed out in future versions
Would be better if Cupra got their phone app up and running. We’ve had ours for over 6 months and still no sign of the promised app. How hard can it be?
I still worry that this country doen't have the infrastructure in place, and we're talking like ten years away. Consider that every parking place in a services will need a rapid charging point, compared to thre like 5% o of places today, Then consider that at any one moment two thirds of those places could be recharging cars, can the National Grid cope with the extra demand? - I seriously doubt it. I'm a big fan of Hydrogen / fuel cell technology, and the manufacturers have alreadyu stated this may be needed for HGV / busses, but what a revolution it could be for cars - refill a tank capable of 300 miles range in less than 10 minutes, with the ability to generate Hydrogen (using electricity) at off-peak hours.
Hello PP. with he rush towards ev ownership perhaps you should produce a video warning of the the dangers of ;thermal runaway'. you are probably aware (not wanting to teach my grandmother to suck eggs) that in the event of an ev catching fire it produces its own oxygen (so incredibly difficult to extinguish my traditional methods ie: water), Hydrogen Cyanide, Hydrofluoric Acid and Cobalt. Where is the public information on this danger? Why are the dangers of installing a charger in a garage attached to a house not being highlighted? What happens if in the future an ev in a multi-story car park catches fire and cannot be extinguished? every ev in the vicinity is at risk of catching fire. suppose a car is being charged overnight in a home garage and that garage is directly below a bedroom and it catches fire overnight. the Hydrogen Cyanide seeps up through the bedroom floor. Occupants above wouldn't know anything. They would die in their beds. there is no information out there. why is the government not addressing this issue? will it take a death to the risks?
So around 30 quid to do 200 miles barely any cheaper than an ICE and you had to stop for nearly an hour to return on 20% no thanks. In October and Early next year electricity going up I guess EV will cost more than ICE. Be interesting the range on a proper motorway journey when its a bit colder will cost 30+% more to run I guess,
As good as the Video is, my concern is still the charging stations/ Infrastructure within the UK. Yes they are beginning to surface (IE Manchester area and the North), but it's still too slow to meet the demand/ requirements. Whilst it's good to be able to charge from home and 1 of the 2 or 3 decent EV's with substantial range. Another area that needs improvement like the Cupra you tested and Taycan etc.
sorry. I'm not quite understanding it cost £30.00 to charge the car plus £25 waiting for it to charge and less range. not to mention £40,000 for a small car who's battery will last 3 years. I'm simply not getting it.
58kw model charging at home would cost about £4.60 0-100% for c.220 miles. When out and about a 10 minute £7 charge gets you c.35 miles. Not sure where you get the 3yr battery life from plenty of the same technology bevs a decade old with 100k + miles still with minimal battery degradation. Finally.....small? Not a chance, bigger inside than a 5 series BMW, is that a small car?
An good looking EV which does at least have a usable range… Interesting re your costs to recharge, my RAV4 hybrid would cost me currently £31.78 to refuel after 211mls as I average around 53mpg on a similar run averaging mid 50’s mph and I wouldn’t have to spend the same amount again on food while I waited for my car to refuel! Just a thought 🤔
Ignoring the fact that motorway service stations are significantly more expensive for petrol or diesel than local garages, your initial 211 miles would also have also cost you £31.78. His initial 211 miles on a nighttime tariff of 7p/kWh probably cost him about a fiver. Fortunately, eating whilst you wait is optional, regardless of what you fill your car up with.
@@markparker5585 as I said just a thought.. not an argument for or against just pointing out that we are constantly told EVs are cheaper to run but clearly not when you have to charge at a charging station away from home?? Of course I wouldn’t have had to fill up at Motorway prices as my hybrid can comfortably do 550 miles on a tank of fuel so would have done the journey there and back without refuelling. I’m not anti EVs but don’t believe the technology is there yet for longer trips outside of town driving where of course an EV is perfect.
@@reinmansmith I think you could make that argument for my car that I've had for 7 years and has a 70 mile range, but it doesn't really hold up for more modern mainstream EVs that have a 200-300 mile range. I bought mine because we did have a second car in the family if we needed to do a longer run, but we are considering going down to one car, with that being a newer generation EV. Journeys over 200 miles would be exceedingly rare for us, and I'd suspect the majority of UK drivers. As far as technology not being there yet, it's always been the charging infrastructure. The cars are generally very good.
Peter it's a lot of money but what a car but i like red ,but i like blue as well . Peter i can not fined your email address and i like to meet up with at the members meeting at GoodWood
Great example of a ‘typical real’ journey. More charging stations like Gridserve needed asap across the country. I would go for the 58kw Born myself, but interesting to see the 77kw version.
It'll probably take Gridserve another 5 to 6 years to get somewhere up near where they want to be. But hey, how long do you suppose it took to get a half decent petrol station infrastructure?
i dont know if you know it is actauly Faster to Charge to like 60 % and charge mor often then charge to 100 % it will get you from a to b Faster Do a test on that once and see :D then you will use the Optimum charging speed.
Comparing efficiency from point A to B vs B to A is a non starter. For example: In my Nissan LEAF my 50 mile drive to work I will use 20% battery on the way home I will use 35% battery. This is because I live on top of a mountain and my workplace is right at sea level. Better to compare efficiency on the same route rather than comparing A to B vs B to A. Also it's suprising how much standing water on the road affects yours efficiency as them storms to Norwich would have made a dent in your range. Great video and I love your content, especially your enthusiasm for EV's. 👍
... sorry I got you all .. a 2002 VW Polo 1.2 52000 miles on it one careful lady owner .. new battery and a years mot..£200. but I guess I cheated because it's from a friend of a friend who just bought a brand new Bentley 😂
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
I look at all that range with envy! My e-208 will manage around 130 miles at motorway speeds. That said, it was £28k so quite a lot cheaper, and I personally rarely need more range and am comfortable enough with planning longer trips via chargers as and when.
I really enjoy these EV long range tests. I am still unsure about owning one but your videos educate us all on the technology, the driving modes and styles to maintain a decent range.
sorry not a fan off electric cars just wait till they start putting trhe price off electric further up range is poor and wat happens when these start breaking down scrapyards will be full off them
I own the V2 62kwh (58kwh useable) battery version and have got 4.7m/kwh to 4.2m/kwh easily. The bigger battery adds a lot of weight but handy if you do lots of motorway driving. The 58kwh battery will charge in less time as its smaller so it all depends on your range needs. I do have been told an Audi Etron driver was so concerned about range and the charging time they sold the Audi and drive an electric mini as its cheaper and charges quicker. The 77kwh version wasn't available in June this year but a pre built 62/58kwh was so I bought it trading in my Audi S3 as it had a possible water pump issue around the corner and Audi's after 5 years old depreciate like a brick off a cliff. I did a 60 mile range test using A roads on two different days covering the same route and motorway at 70 and at then 60 mph. Reducing the speed by 10 mph increased the m/kwh by quite a bit. RAPID CHARGING will shorten the cars battery capacity / life faster over 3 years (or longer.) AC charging at 22kw or 7kw is recommended and like you said only to 80%. Used prices in 3 years might depend on the battery condition and the garages will do a battery test when you trade your car in. If you are linked to Cupra by the app they most probably know how you are charging the car. Will lease companies add costs if you rapid charge a lot as the value of the car will be less or do they factor it in to the lease costs?
Petrol and diesel is coming down slightly in price and electricity is predicted to go up again by 80% . That journeys not going to be cost effective within the next few months together with the high initial cost of the car.
cost double now to fill up an EV than an ice car,prices since this video have almost doubled so almost becomes pointless paying X2 for filling up your EV,keep the ICE cars.
A 58kwh born would do the same( at a minimum I think possibly more ) for around £11 according to my current home tariff. I suppose the difference is the born would be then at the point needing charge but the diesel could keep going. Cost Vs distance in pure fuel terms
@@philmorbey1827 I agree with you. As a working musician diesel is still best for me. Aberdeen to Southampton in a day is something that happens for me. For my wife with her 15 mile a day commute I am really looking forward to her going electric. I love electric cars 👍🏼
Whilst 29.54 is the cost at a public charge point, remember the vast majority of most people's journeys year round won't require a public charge as journeys are within the total range from home. I pay 4.7 pence per unit from Octopus Go EV rate, so for the majority of 211 my journeys in an EV it will cost about £2.80. That's a far more useful comparison statistic. Yes occasionally I need a public charger for the long journeys, but they are realistically less than 5% of my journeys in a year...
This car smells of mediocrity. The mg4 looks to be a better car, period. Never mind that it's 10k cheaper. The cabin luxury is mehhh. Okay driving experience but really not good enough for a cupra badge. The sw is poor, those slider button things are nothing short of disgraceful. In 12 months this will be seen as a 5 out of 10 car when real competition takes hold. This id3 rebadged offering should have been far my critically reviewed by you.
Great video. Having recently taken delivery of an i4 and now experiencing the learning curve of living with an EV, it’s good to see other peoples experiences. The Gridserve hub looked great and if they can start to replicate that type of arrangement across the country, we’re moving in the right direction.
The difference in efficiency was the rain. It used the same amount of energy to do X speed regardless of driving mode. It's just a different throttle map.
I agree. Wet roads sap a surprising amount of energy as the tires move the water out of the way, and as long as you modulate your right foot, you don’t really need ECO modes.
It could also generally have been more of a decline one way, and an incline back. Sea level etc. Would be interesting to see the exact same video driven in economy mode going to Norwich, and Cupra mode coming back.
@@andrewlawton5838 and/or wind direction is a factor too. You can never simply compare trips in opposite directions as the consumption pattern is not the same. Rain, speed, and control of the right foot are all big factors of course. "Range mode" makes no difference if you travel at the same speed and moderate your acceleration.
In my experience of driving a Zoe and a Leaf for the last four years, the eco modes don't save much if you are not heavy footed and most importantly keep the speed down. On my Leaf (first gen, 2016), the efficiency is fine up to 55mph - 4.2miles/kWh. But efficiency drops like a stone at 70-75mph, only about 2.5 (or worse). That's the case in Eco or normal mode. The only genuine saving in Eco is the heating gets switched off (I think).
Because I'm a bit sad...not to mention retired and poor....I've got into the habit of taking a flask and a snack with me on a long run. I don't mind picnicking in my car, rather than pay too much at the service station. Not exactly groundbreaking but if you make the effort you'll feel quite pleased with yourself.
I’ve had my born for 3months it’s a 58kwh but my average over 1800 miles mixed use is 5.1 mi/kWh lol I don’t drive like miss daisy lol but this is my 3rd electric car , absolutely love it also brilliant car
Good going! There's a guy at my work with an ID4 58kWh that's doing 4.8 mi/kWh average over 3000 miles, mainly Reading to East London & back. That family of cars all seem amazing, but for me, the Born looks the best and I think it handles great, it put a smile on my face during a test drive. Just one thing to note, which I don't think has been covered in this video, if you get the larger battery 77kWh then you lose the middle seat at the rear, so the car only seats 4!
@@davidclothier8446 it’s not about driving slow I had 2 previous EVs with much smaller batteries so I couldn’t go hooning it around lol but EVs really suit my driving style , it’s simply not accelerating or braking unnecessarily, especially the braking part , nothing kills you’re range more than having to stamp on the brakes , the car use the friction brakes so doesn’t get anything back , I also rarely have the a/c on I don’t see the point the cabin temp is ok most of the time 6 months of the year I use to do this in my fossil cars also , but the cars acceleration is still great fun and I definitely use it , a lot !
So you prefer the Cupra mode over Range but what about the B driving mode that has the harsh engine braking in order to recharge the battery more? Would that extend the range even more so than just Range mode alone?
Range mode only limits power output and air con usage. You can limit power output in any mode by not pressing the accel so hard! Range gives you literally a few km more only. D mode also regens, but is activated with the brake pedal.
Happy Birthday Ben. Good review Ped I guess the issue is still going to be planning the long distance trips to make sure you can get a charger. It is little hassle to wait 5 mins for your turn at a fuel pump but would be a massive pain if you had to wait an hour for your turn to then charge an hour. The charge network will need to up the info on what charge ports are available and likely wait times can be expected or charge rage will become an issue.
Would love to see Gridserve open on Australian highways, esp with our longer distances! 3 between Sydney and Melbourne, 3-4 between Sydney and Brisbane, 3 Melbourne to Adelaide etc just for starters! That looks fantastic.
Correct me if i'm wrong but when ever i see a motoring journalist test drives a car they always seem to test the most expensive top spec of the particular make and model they are given. i would like to see the average model that Mr/Mrs average would choose to drive tested.
Hi Colin. One of the main reasons for this is press cars tend to have high spec to give the opportunity to test and review all the features that can be optioned. This test would have been no different a result in the V1 or V2 trim level 👍
So I am really interested in getting an EV and this is one of the few that I would/could genuinely consider. I love the Tesla Model 3 however at close to £60k that’s a step too far. Let’s see how these are priced on the used market after a year.
. . remember as from tomorrow the electricity cap is raised so all chargers will effectively double their cost of charging per kw . . you heard it here first
good vid as always. the 2 biggest problems for me with electric cars is the charge time and range. if the charge time could be reduced to 10 - 15 mins, i think the range issue would disappear. After all, if you are on a long drive you are going to have to stop for a loo break at some point!
@@PetrolPed Yep, take it from people who’ve driven EVs for a number of years already, hardly anyone really needs charging stops to be quicker than about 20-25 minutes. Any faster than that, and the car is ready before you are and that’s a pain as it can mean having to go and move it off the charger before you have really done all you want to do.
Manufactures are now heading towards efficiency with most EV's now and ditching this "Range Anxiety" most people might have, Also the Charging infrastructure is improving OVERNIGHT while you sleep. 🙏🙏
Not a bad looking car, but I’d sooner have an i30n and 55,000 miles worth of fuel, or a two year old one and 75,000 miles of fuel. Who buys cars new? Who buys their fuel up front? EV owners, you’re being had! Seriously people, wake-up!
Happy Birthday Ben....I would have been bugging Pete to let you drive a bit. And if he really wanted to make this birthday memorable how about letting him drive the Porsche!
Great review Petrol ped very interesting video my thoughts from watching are when you are charging and depending on how many cars are there charging at them same time the volts lower so it would take longer the problem i think is how long it takes to charge 1hour so you when planing the journey it has to be add on. That why I would go hybrid but the problem with combustion engines ( normal cars) is what we put in them (petrol) so looking forward to E fuel and hydrogen fantastic video and HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🥳 🎂 Ben Tristan
Great review. My Sister in law just pickup her Born after a wait of over 12 months after order placed (we live in Melbourne Australia). I think she has the model below your car - smaller battery and range as it cost $65k plus on road costs. Thanks Pete.
Happy Birthday Ben , WOW 18 , I wanna be 18 again 😁😁 🎁🎁🎂🎂🍰🍰 Amazing car, Expressing my own opinion can be personally difficult at times but what a car .. This Pedler loves it I would not even entertain the VW equivalent Pete if it was my own money ! Go and Buy the Cupra Born People 👍👍👍👍
Trouble is the EV platform is VW and despite the stated charging speed figures, it doesn’t deliver those! When you complain they say it’s only a range (albeit it never gets in to the range!). My experience was DC charging 20-80% is more like 50-55 minutes not 35. AC charging about 80% of the time was only half charging due to some battery safe mode that apparently randomly cuts the charge so on a cheap overnight 6hr charge I was getting 20kw not 40! Big difference. I had mine for 4 months, it then spent 6 weeks in garage and I got a BM i4 instead which is brilliant and does exactly what it says it will
In any car you'd want to stop after 4hrs or sooner for some including me as it's not the car but the bladder range as Bobbyllew would also say. Even in an ICE you'd still need to eat after 4hrs so it would cost the fuel plus the food/drink cost and having to deal with disgusting smelly fossil fuels that are toxic. No having to wash your hands 3x trying to get the smell off them, a nice clean experience driving EV. Funny RUclips only brought this on my recommended list today and it's been up for over 12 months by look of things. The Cupra Born only launched in Australia recently but they ruined it locally, has no scheduled charging, no connectivity, no app(since has no connecitivity), no OTA absolutely ridiculous!
42k 🙈.. I'll be waiting till the Chinese arrive in the UK .. when hopefully the competition and their vehicles will cut these prices in half.. I think there's only going to Tesla and the Chinese left and a few legacy autos that managed to survive or get bailouts or do mergers, actually producing competitive electric priced vehicles which today they ain't doing... But then electric cars are a new thing so they will be expensive, also demand outstrips supply .. but once supply outstrips demand and the Chinese here, prices will become less than ICE..🙏 Thanks for your video.. very good.
Price of a normal new Golf GTI is around £37k and that really is what this spec of Cupra is competing with. So c. £5k more expensive but you save on fuel, insurance, maintenance and road tax. So price is fair. Steering wheel buttons are true crap. Haptic buttons are a solution is search of a problem. Physical buttons are to be preferred. For me the perfect range is 250 miles at 75 mph. That means it will do 200 miles on the M1 and still have 20% of battery left. That gets me one motorway service station further than I would want to drive in one go without stopping. Cupra is close to that in top spec
415 miles in the day, that's a fair chunk of Sydney to Melbourne (870km / 540 miles). Which, 2 charges en route would be 20-80% with a full charge at each end, that's basically how you'd do stops and breaks anyway (I do it regularly). Just means I'd eat in instead of takeaway, but I wouldn't need to stand outside whilst pumping fuel. Very do-able!
Great Video, Rain does make a big difference to range, I also have the V3 77kw in white and have also used Norwich when i was on holiday in Norfolk which is amazing - I tend to use "performance mode" which is between Comfort and Cupra and just gives you a sharper ride and better throttle, luckily mine is a company car so the price tag isn't a concern but love it and everyone who has been in it loves it
Forgot to add service package for 3 years is £7 a month with Cupra. Includes services, wiper blade replacement and first MOT, bargain compared to ICE car.
As you say ideally use the battery between 20% & 80% but do go not below 50% frequently and never fully charge or leave it in high charge condition if you want to manage the life of your battery ,.This is the advice from Warrick Uni the WMG group battery science
EV's all well and good 65+% of people live with no drive so no away of home charging so subject to utter crap unreliable over priced public charging - then there's the price of them still too expensive for most people - then there's all this bullshit your saving the planet because you have not got an exhaust pipe out the back well the electricity has to come from somewhere PowerStation's and what powers them oil /gas /coal / nuclear so carbon footprint just moved else where - cant count wind/wave/solar just not enough of them to make it count. There's only one EV id purchase because I don't have a drive so no home charging is Tesla purely for the charging network but again out of my price range. Then theres the time you have to use an EV to break even with the carbon foot print is 65000miles.
@@PetrolPed that is a step in the right direction the problem there is if you want to use green electricity are there enough of them on all journeys you wish to take for now probably not. Hopefully they will expand to the same level as Teslas network yes I know Tesla aren't green yet either. The infrastructure as to be built first before people change,then make EVs affordable 😉
One of the issues I have with EVs, whoever reviews them, always talks about being efficient between 20 and 80% charge. On that basis, you are only ever utilising 60% of the vehicles actual range if you want it to be efficient and reduce charging time, wear on battery etc. If I was spending over 40 grand for a car I don't want to be limiting myself to only 60% of its capability. That needs to be rectified.
It is to do with how the battery actually accepts charge. It it much slower for the first 20% and last 20%. It’s not that you can’t use it, I did in this test, it’s just that it takes longer so there is a schoole of thought that multiple quick charges between 20-80% is more time efficient 👍
I believe the 20%-80% rule of thumb just applied to rapid charging, due to the battery management required to maintain battery health. However, with a home charger charging to 100% isn’t an issue, so you have all the battery range available.
Few people will keep a vehicle long enough to notice battery degradation, so if you're the first owner paying hundreds of pounds a month for the privilege, go ahead and fully charge it all the time; if you have the patience to wait for that last 20% to just trickle in
I don't think the lower 20% is really a thing, I think it's just to make you feel better about not running right down and potentially being stranded I often go down to 10% or lower in my Ioniq 5, and it gets from there to 80% in 18 minutes, or an extra 10 mins to 90% To be honest I'm not that impressed with the charging speed in Born and other VAG cars. They seem to tail off quickly
Stats are interesting between cupra mine and range mode, and looking at the day, the journey out would possibly have used more power due to adverse weather. Great review
im sorry all electric cars are far to expensive ill take a guess and say at least 75% of people could not afford to buy one, plus this idea that electric cars are new technology they aren't its old technology there were electric cars setting speed records when internal combustion engines were hardly off the ground so if you had 2 identical cars one electric one petrol the electric car should be cheaper and having worked in the car industry in manufacturing its surprising how cheap massed produced cars are so if you were paying £25.000 for the car you would still paying to much.
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Happy 18th Birthday (today !) to Ben my co-pilot in this video. Let’s see how many Happy Birthdays we can get for him. Answer below 👍
Happy 18th Birthday Ben! 🎉🎉
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Happy birthday Ben, from Lincolnshire
HaPpY 18th Burfday Ben 🎉👍🏻
I've got a V2 Born 58KW and I'm averaging 4.2m per KW. I don't use Cupra mode as the standard mode is quick enough for me. I'm new to EVs but so far I'm loving the car (apart from the haptic buttons on the steering wheel but I can live with them). I wish there was a Gridserve in the Midlands!
Rugby has a Gridserve
@@alanbrad3727 But nothing like in Braintree and now Norwich. BTW, have used all 3!
Great that we are meeting some friends of yours that aren’t you tubers - adds a nice dimension to do it ccasinall!
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Thanks for another fun and informative video. Young Ben could get to see a world free of fossil fuel burning on the roads..let’s hope so. 😊Have to say that the Hyundai and Kia cars seem to be ahead of VW Group when it comes to efficiency, our winter/summer average on the e-Niro is 14.5 kWh/100 km...so about 4.3 miles/kWh....Most e-Niro owners in the UK I chat with seem to get around that mark.
Yep. I hear that too 👍
Interesting 🤔
When the car says you have say 300 miles of range is that with just the driver? or are the manufacturers figures based on carrying a passenger as well?
It’s the car but that estimate is based on previous driving the car has done 👍
Nice enough car but tbh with manufacturers obliged to make only EVs come 2030 tell me where is all the electricity going to come from. I still believe Toyota and their research and progression with Hydrogen Cells is the way forward, what do you think. Oh and one further point, when everyone has to drive an EV cost of electricity is bound to skyrocket
I was genuinely shocked about the cost of lunch! I drive an old LPG volvo and can't afford to pay that kind of money for lunch even though my fuel bill would be £35. That is why I buy meal deals for lunch if I am out and about or take it with me!!😯
We did go for it 😂
I do 400 a week live top flat in a terrace in london with cpz outside these things are nonsense
Great video Ben and Pedro.
Really like this vehicle, looks way better than the id3.
Happy 18th Birthday Ben.
(ask Uncle Ped to buy you a car 😉)
I've had mine (58KW) for roughly 5000 miles. Honest appraisal so far. Lovely/smooth/handles superbly & quiet to drive. Full charge averages about 230 miles (mostly motorway), very comfortable, loads of safety features that really impresses me. Negatives, haptic buttons are a little fiddly, sound system not great and not as loud/as many features as i would want. Clima (air) control, this is the thing that pisses me off the most, i have not found a wau just to use a fan without the clima being on. As soon as it's turned on it eats into my range, although not massive it simply shouldn't be an issue at all. If anyone has sussed out how to do it please let me know. Overall; this is my first EV and there is sooooo much to like about it, just hope some of the little gripes can be ironed out in future versions
Thanks for this 👍
Switch of AC, than put the Temp down to low and adjust the amount of air you need with the slider -> now you are using no heating or AC only fan
@@rainermenes5921 Cheers, i will try this
Range anxiety right from the start.
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Have you had a perm Peter what with all the curls? Car good, car style good, car colour (it’s red), cars range good too, all told GOOD 👍👍👍🚘🚘🚘🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Would be better if Cupra got their phone app up and running. We’ve had ours for over 6 months and still no sign of the promised app. How hard can it be?
I still worry that this country doen't have the infrastructure in place, and we're talking like ten years away. Consider that every parking place in a services will need a rapid charging point, compared to thre like 5% o of places today, Then consider that at any one moment two thirds of those places could be recharging cars, can the National Grid cope with the extra demand? - I seriously doubt it. I'm a big fan of Hydrogen / fuel cell technology, and the manufacturers have alreadyu stated this may be needed for HGV / busses, but what a revolution it could be for cars - refill a tank capable of 300 miles range in less than 10 minutes, with the ability to generate Hydrogen (using electricity) at off-peak hours.
Hello PP. with he rush towards ev ownership perhaps you should produce a video warning of the the dangers of ;thermal runaway'. you are probably aware (not wanting to teach my grandmother to suck eggs) that in the event of an ev catching fire it produces its own oxygen (so incredibly difficult to extinguish my traditional methods ie: water), Hydrogen Cyanide, Hydrofluoric Acid and Cobalt. Where is the public information on this danger? Why are the dangers of installing a charger in a garage attached to a house not being highlighted? What happens if in the future an ev in a multi-story car park catches fire and cannot be extinguished? every ev in the vicinity is at risk of catching fire. suppose a car is being charged overnight in a home garage and that garage is directly below a bedroom and it catches fire overnight. the Hydrogen Cyanide seeps up through the bedroom floor. Occupants above wouldn't know anything. They would die in their beds. there is no information out there. why is the government not addressing this issue? will it take a death to the risks?
So around 30 quid to do 200 miles barely any cheaper than an ICE and you had to stop for nearly an hour to return on 20% no thanks. In October and Early next year electricity going up I guess EV will cost more than ICE. Be interesting the range on a proper motorway journey when its a bit colder will cost 30+% more to run I guess,
As good as the Video is, my concern is still the charging stations/ Infrastructure within the UK. Yes they are beginning to surface (IE Manchester area and the North), but it's still too slow to meet the demand/ requirements. Whilst it's good to be able to charge from home and 1 of the 2 or 3 decent EV's with substantial range. Another area that needs improvement like the Cupra you tested and Taycan etc.
sorry. I'm not quite understanding it cost £30.00 to charge the car plus £25 waiting for it to charge and less range. not to mention £40,000 for a small car who's battery will last 3 years. I'm simply not getting it.
58kw model charging at home would cost about £4.60 0-100% for c.220 miles. When out and about a 10 minute £7 charge gets you c.35 miles. Not sure where you get the 3yr battery life from plenty of the same technology bevs a decade old with 100k + miles still with minimal battery degradation. Finally.....small? Not a chance, bigger inside than a 5 series BMW, is that a small car?
On battery life channel, his id 3 lost 10 % battery capacity and range in 2 years.
The Cupra Born is just an id 3 with a different dress.
So you're now running a Cupra Born and a Mustang Mach-E? Not doing this EV thing by halves....
The Born was a press car and I only had it for a week 👍
An good looking EV which does at least have a usable range… Interesting re your costs to recharge, my RAV4 hybrid would cost me currently £31.78 to refuel after 211mls as I average around 53mpg on a similar run averaging mid 50’s mph and I wouldn’t have to spend the same amount again on food while I waited for my car to refuel! Just a thought 🤔
Ignoring the fact that motorway service stations are significantly more expensive for petrol or diesel than local garages, your initial 211 miles would also have also cost you £31.78. His initial 211 miles on a nighttime tariff of 7p/kWh probably cost him about a fiver. Fortunately, eating whilst you wait is optional, regardless of what you fill your car up with.
@@markparker5585 as I said just a thought.. not an argument for or against just pointing out that we are constantly told EVs are cheaper to run but clearly not when you have to charge at a charging station away from home?? Of course I wouldn’t have had to fill up at Motorway prices as my hybrid can comfortably do 550 miles on a tank of fuel so would have done the journey there and back without refuelling. I’m not anti EVs but don’t believe the technology is there yet for longer trips outside of town driving where of course an EV is perfect.
@@reinmansmith I think you could make that argument for my car that I've had for 7 years and has a 70 mile range, but it doesn't really hold up for more modern mainstream EVs that have a 200-300 mile range. I bought mine because we did have a second car in the family if we needed to do a longer run, but we are considering going down to one car, with that being a newer generation EV. Journeys over 200 miles would be exceedingly rare for us, and I'd suspect the majority of UK drivers. As far as technology not being there yet, it's always been the charging infrastructure. The cars are generally very good.
He did double that 200 plus miles each way. So double your fuel costs the cupra was 50% cheaper to fuel.
I think the problem is cold Winter there's no point in having a car which is only Works properly in Summer
Who did the music? It sounds like the same person who made it for "All The Stations" ( Geoff Marshalls channel)
Lost interest as soon as I heard the price! I'll just wait another 5 years, hopefully the price of electric cars will be real world realistic by then.
Isn’t this thing over 1800kgs? No thanks way too heavy, EVs are an expensive joke.
It cost almost 30£ to drive about 200 mi. How many miles would 30£ do in a similar gasoline car?
Peter it's a lot of money but what a car but i like red ,but i like blue as well . Peter i can not fined your email address and i like to meet up with at the members meeting at GoodWood
I’ll be at Members Meeting for both days. Email is in every video description 👍
You'll have to change the name of your channel soon, remove Petrol or add EV ?
If only it were that easy. Changing a channel name is not an option 😢
Great example of a ‘typical real’ journey. More charging stations like Gridserve needed asap across the country. I would go for the 58kw Born myself, but interesting to see the 77kw version.
It'll probably take Gridserve another 5 to 6 years to get somewhere up near where they want to be. But hey, how long do you suppose it took to get a half decent petrol station infrastructure?
meglio aspettare Born 4wd novembre 2023, con 300 cv, doppio motore (sorella della ID.3 GTX - Maggio 2023) ..
i dont know if you know it is actauly Faster to Charge to like 60 % and charge mor often then charge to 100 % it will get you from a to b Faster Do a test on that once and see :D then you will use the Optimum charging speed.
Comparing efficiency from point A to B vs B to A is a non starter.
For example: In my Nissan LEAF my 50 mile drive to work I will use 20% battery on the way home I will use 35% battery.
This is because I live on top of a mountain and my workplace is right at sea level.
Better to compare efficiency on the same route rather than comparing A to B vs B to A.
Also it's suprising how much standing water on the road affects yours efficiency as them storms to Norwich would have made a dent in your range.
Great video and I love your content, especially your enthusiasm for EV's. 👍
Interesting that Ben thinks £40k for an electric car is reasonable. My first car at his age was £800. A Ford.
I comparison to the market 👍
I envy you! My parents bought me a £250 Allegro for my 17th to make sure that I’d never go fast/try to impress girls 😀
@@ChrisHooperOnCars well, I pulled in an Austin maxi! One of the selling points of that car was the ability to make the seats bed-like.....ahem.
... sorry I got you all .. a 2002 VW Polo 1.2 52000 miles on it one careful lady owner .. new battery and a years mot..£200. but I guess I cheated because it's from a friend of a friend who just bought a brand new Bentley 😂
40k car but earning a graduate wage of 30k.No wonder everyone has debt these days.
Try that drive again in winter, I've got that exact car and cannot get near 300 miles 😢
Your Ford App will have Geidserve on it... Even better way to charge
Maybe you should call yourself EVPed or BatteryPed instead
Sweet car yes indeed...still trying to wwrap m y head around ev biy looks good
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
I look at all that range with envy! My e-208 will manage around 130 miles at motorway speeds. That said, it was £28k so quite a lot cheaper, and I personally rarely need more range and am comfortable enough with planning longer trips via chargers as and when.
I have the petrol 208, it does 380 miles, fully fuel up, apart from government scams what made you choose electric 🤔
@@dancooper2072 You should test drive one. Then all will become clear.
You think this could do a 200 mile trip on the motorway at 70 in cold winter conditions
You need to ask if the Tesla chargers are separate power from there other chargers from the other companies.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I have an opportunity to choose my next car, and your series of videos really helped me to go for Cupra Born!
You will love it. Great cars 👍
No rear wiper....What is this trend about as i have seen a few electric cars with no rear wiper.
Happy birthday Ben..
Blackwall tunnel? You went through London?
Round London 😜
Thank you for the happy birthday
I really enjoy these EV long range tests. I am still unsure about owning one but your videos educate us all on the technology, the driving modes and styles to maintain a decent range.
Thanks 👍
sorry not a fan off electric cars just wait till they start putting trhe price off electric further up range is poor and wat happens when these start breaking down scrapyards will be full off them
There is significantly less to break down
@@logant6490 there’s more on a car than an engine that can break down. Most defects on modern ice cars are electronic and digital.
Impressive. Happy birthday Ben, a very good wingman!
He sure is 👍
I own the V2 62kwh (58kwh useable) battery version and have got 4.7m/kwh to 4.2m/kwh easily. The bigger battery adds a lot of weight but handy if you do lots of motorway driving. The 58kwh battery will charge in less time as its smaller so it all depends on your range needs. I do have been told an Audi Etron driver was so concerned about range and the charging time they sold the Audi and drive an electric mini as its cheaper and charges quicker. The 77kwh version wasn't available in June this year but a pre built 62/58kwh was so I bought it trading in my Audi S3 as it had a possible water pump issue around the corner and Audi's after 5 years old depreciate like a brick off a cliff. I did a 60 mile range test using A roads on two different days covering the same route and motorway at 70 and at then 60 mph. Reducing the speed by 10 mph increased the m/kwh by quite a bit.
RAPID CHARGING will shorten the cars battery capacity / life faster over 3 years (or longer.) AC charging at 22kw or 7kw is recommended and like you said only to 80%. Used prices in 3 years might depend on the battery condition and the garages will do a battery test when you trade your car in. If you are linked to Cupra by the app they most probably know how you are charging the car.
Will lease companies add costs if you rapid charge a lot as the value of the car will be less or do they factor it in to the lease costs?
Nice trip, but the most important bit that you missed was, 'did the e-boost button make any difference?' Can we have an update please?
Petrol and diesel is coming down slightly in price and electricity is predicted to go up again by 80% . That journeys not going to be cost effective within the next few months together with the high initial cost of the car.
cost double now to fill up an EV than an ice car,prices since this video have almost doubled so almost becomes pointless paying X2 for filling up your EV,keep the ICE cars.
It at home 😜👍
Great review, great car. I know electric is great but range anxiety is always there in the forefront 😅 My diesel will do 211 miles for £29.54.
A 58kwh born would do the same( at a minimum I think possibly more ) for around £11 according to my current home tariff. I suppose the difference is the born would be then at the point needing charge but the diesel could keep going. Cost Vs distance in pure fuel terms
@@philmorbey1827 I agree with you. As a working musician diesel is still best for me. Aberdeen to Southampton in a day is something that happens for me. For my wife with her 15 mile a day commute I am really looking forward to her going electric. I love electric cars 👍🏼
Whilst 29.54 is the cost at a public charge point, remember the vast majority of most people's journeys year round won't require a public charge as journeys are within the total range from home. I pay 4.7 pence per unit from Octopus Go EV rate, so for the majority of 211 my journeys in an EV it will cost about £2.80. That's a far more useful comparison statistic. Yes occasionally I need a public charger for the long journeys, but they are realistically less than 5% of my journeys in a year...
@@Steveandhelenprice I get that. But the EV was more expensive to start with and energy prices are rising.
Hey pal, love to Pooch and Pup. High 5 to you and T. 👍🇬🇧
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This car smells of mediocrity. The mg4 looks to be a better car, period. Never mind that it's 10k cheaper. The cabin luxury is mehhh. Okay driving experience but really not good enough for a cupra badge. The sw is poor, those slider button things are nothing short of disgraceful. In 12 months this will be seen as a 5 out of 10 car when real competition takes hold. This id3 rebadged offering should have been far my critically reviewed by you.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
Great video. Having recently taken delivery of an i4 and now experiencing the learning curve of living with an EV, it’s good to see other peoples experiences. The Gridserve hub looked great and if they can start to replicate that type of arrangement across the country, we’re moving in the right direction.
We sure are and the i4 is a great car 👌
Gridserve are planning 100 sites on most of Britain's major routes Rob....
The difference in efficiency was the rain. It used the same amount of energy to do X speed regardless of driving mode. It's just a different throttle map.
I agree. Wet roads sap a surprising amount of energy as the tires move the water out of the way, and as long as you modulate your right foot, you don’t really need ECO modes.
It could also generally have been more of a decline one way, and an incline back. Sea level etc. Would be interesting to see the exact same video driven in economy mode going to Norwich, and Cupra mode coming back.
@@andrewlawton5838 and/or wind direction is a factor too. You can never simply compare trips in opposite directions as the consumption pattern is not the same. Rain, speed, and control of the right foot are all big factors of course. "Range mode" makes no difference if you travel at the same speed and moderate your acceleration.
Battery temperature is the biggest difference, the trip back had a fully warm battery from the 4hrs driving and 1hr rapid charge.
In my experience of driving a Zoe and a Leaf for the last four years, the eco modes don't save much if you are not heavy footed and most importantly keep the speed down. On my Leaf (first gen, 2016), the efficiency is fine up to 55mph - 4.2miles/kWh. But efficiency drops like a stone at 70-75mph, only about 2.5 (or worse). That's the case in Eco or normal mode. The only genuine saving in Eco is the heating gets switched off (I think).
Because I'm a bit sad...not to mention retired and poor....I've got into the habit of taking a flask and a snack with me on a long run.
I don't mind picnicking in my car, rather than pay too much at the service station.
Not exactly groundbreaking but if you make the effort you'll feel quite pleased with yourself.
Good plan 👍
Pete and Ben, that was a REALLY good video of the Cupra capabilities to watch - honest and enjoyable - 5***** 👍
Thanks 👍
I’ve had my born for 3months it’s a 58kwh but my average over 1800 miles mixed use is 5.1 mi/kWh lol I don’t drive like miss daisy lol but this is my 3rd electric car , absolutely love it also brilliant car
Good going! There's a guy at my work with an ID4 58kWh that's doing 4.8 mi/kWh average over 3000 miles, mainly Reading to East London & back. That family of cars all seem amazing, but for me, the Born looks the best and I think it handles great, it put a smile on my face during a test drive.
Just one thing to note, which I don't think has been covered in this video, if you get the larger battery 77kWh then you lose the middle seat at the rear, so the car only seats 4!
Wow 😮
@@davidclothier8446 it’s not about driving slow I had 2 previous EVs with much smaller batteries so I couldn’t go hooning it around lol but EVs really suit my driving style , it’s simply not accelerating or braking unnecessarily, especially the braking part , nothing kills you’re range more than having to stamp on the brakes , the car use the friction brakes so doesn’t get anything back , I also rarely have the a/c on I don’t see the point the cabin temp is ok most of the time 6 months of the year I use to do this in my fossil cars also , but the cars acceleration is still great fun and I definitely use it , a lot !
So you prefer the Cupra mode over Range but what about the B driving mode that has the harsh engine braking in order to recharge the battery more?
Would that extend the range even more so than just Range mode alone?
Range mode only limits power output and air con usage. You can limit power output in any mode by not pressing the accel so hard! Range gives you literally a few km more only. D mode also regens, but is activated with the brake pedal.
Happy Birthday Ben.
Good review Ped
I guess the issue is still going to be planning the long distance trips to make sure you can get a charger.
It is little hassle to wait 5 mins for your turn at a fuel pump but would be a massive pain if you had to wait an hour for your turn to then charge an hour.
The charge network will need to up the info on what charge ports are available and likely wait times can be expected or charge rage will become an issue.
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Would love to see Gridserve open on Australian highways, esp with our longer distances! 3 between Sydney and Melbourne, 3-4 between Sydney and Brisbane, 3 Melbourne to Adelaide etc just for starters! That looks fantastic.
Wind direction can effect range a lot especially when it's accompanied with wet roads
Yep 👍
Correct me if i'm wrong but when ever i see a motoring journalist test drives a car they always seem to test the most expensive top spec of the particular make and model they are given. i would like to see the average model that Mr/Mrs average would choose to drive tested.
Hi Colin. One of the main reasons for this is press cars tend to have high spec to give the opportunity to test and review all the features that can be optioned. This test would have been no different a result in the V1 or V2 trim level 👍
So I am really interested in getting an EV and this is one of the few that I would/could genuinely consider. I love the Tesla Model 3 however at close to £60k that’s a step too far. Let’s see how these are priced on the used market after a year.
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How do you know how much you are paying for the charging?
. . remember as from tomorrow the electricity cap is raised so all chargers will effectively double their cost of charging per kw . . you heard it here first
Yep. Very likely 😬
good vid as always. the 2 biggest problems for me with electric cars is the charge time and range. if the charge time could be reduced to 10 - 15 mins, i think the range issue would disappear. After all, if you are on a long drive you are going to have to stop for a loo break at some point!
By the time we had a wee, order a coffee and toastie and then ate it 45 mins had passed and the car was charged 👍
@@PetrolPed Yep, take it from people who’ve driven EVs for a number of years already, hardly anyone really needs charging stops to be quicker than about 20-25 minutes. Any faster than that, and the car is ready before you are and that’s a pain as it can mean having to go and move it off the charger before you have really done all you want to do.
Manufactures are now heading towards efficiency with most EV's now and ditching this "Range Anxiety" most people might have, Also the Charging infrastructure is improving OVERNIGHT while you sleep. 🙏🙏
What's the rate of road tax? Does it attract the over 40k surcharge?
no - exempt currently from VED and luxury tax
Looks an impressive EV, charging infrastructure still not good enough in my opinion, I'll stick with hybrid for now
Not a bad looking car, but I’d sooner have an i30n and 55,000 miles worth of fuel, or a two year old one and 75,000 miles of fuel. Who buys cars new? Who buys their fuel up front? EV owners, you’re being had! Seriously people, wake-up!
Looking forward to this video with what is a very interesting EV.
Happy Birthday Ben....I would have been bugging Pete to let you drive a bit. And if he really wanted to make this birthday memorable how about letting him drive the Porsche!
Sadly not old enough 😢
@@PetrolPed18 is old enough isn’t it?
Charging to 100% is not good for the battery in the long run. Fine for a test drive but the wrong message.
It not really to do with being good for the battery. It’s about efficient time at a public charge stop 👍
No blackwall tunnel there pal😉😉😉
Great review Petrol ped very interesting video my thoughts from watching are when you are charging and depending on how many cars are there charging at them same time the volts lower so it would take longer the problem i think is how long it takes to charge 1hour so you when planing the journey it has to be add on. That why I would go hybrid but the problem with combustion engines ( normal cars) is what we put in them (petrol) so looking forward to E fuel and hydrogen fantastic video and HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🥳 🎂 Ben
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Petrol Ped needs a new name for the EV era 🤔😉
Great review. My Sister in law just pickup her Born after a wait of over 12 months after order placed (we live in Melbourne Australia). I think she has the model below your car - smaller battery and range as it cost $65k plus on road costs. Thanks Pete.
£41k and no rear wipe! you're having a laugh Peter 🤭
Proud that you can come to East Anglia and have a roof over the charge points 💪
Yep he is going to fail his masters if he doesn’t wake up!!!!
It does have a rear wipe.
@@scottwills4698 “sarcasm”
It has a rear wiper 👍
More currency than a GR Yaris..absolute madness 🤷♂️
Totally different category of car 🤷♂️
Happy Birthday Ben , WOW 18 , I wanna be 18 again 😁😁 🎁🎁🎂🎂🍰🍰
Amazing car, Expressing my own opinion can be personally difficult at times but what a car .. This Pedler loves it I would not even entertain the VW equivalent Pete if it was my own money !
Go and Buy the Cupra Born People 👍👍👍👍
Cheers Lee 👍
Trouble is the EV platform is VW and despite the stated charging speed figures, it doesn’t deliver those! When you complain they say it’s only a range (albeit it never gets in to the range!). My experience was DC charging 20-80% is more like 50-55 minutes not 35. AC charging about 80% of the time was only half charging due to some battery safe mode that apparently randomly cuts the charge so on a cheap overnight 6hr charge I was getting 20kw not 40! Big difference. I had mine for 4 months, it then spent 6 weeks in garage and I got a BM i4 instead which is brilliant and does exactly what it says it will
Great vid.. tell MacMater..😂😂
The next obvious question concerning Electric cars, what are the insurance costs I wonder for new drivers?
That’s a great question. Would really be interested to know.
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Why not create some dummy data on an insurance price comparison website....... :)
Very good poing
In any car you'd want to stop after 4hrs or sooner for some including me as it's not the car but the bladder range as Bobbyllew would also say. Even in an ICE you'd still need to eat after 4hrs so it would cost the fuel plus the food/drink cost and having to deal with disgusting smelly fossil fuels that are toxic. No having to wash your hands 3x trying to get the smell off them, a nice clean experience driving EV. Funny RUclips only brought this on my recommended list today and it's been up for over 12 months by look of things. The Cupra Born only launched in Australia recently but they ruined it locally, has no scheduled charging, no connectivity, no app(since has no connecitivity), no OTA absolutely ridiculous!
I think I would have to be able to charge at home to justify the extra up front cost of an EV.
Yep 👍
42k 🙈.. I'll be waiting till the Chinese arrive in the UK .. when hopefully the competition and their vehicles will cut these prices in half.. I think there's only going to Tesla and the Chinese left and a few legacy autos that managed to survive or get bailouts or do mergers, actually producing competitive electric priced vehicles which today they ain't doing... But then electric cars are a new thing so they will be expensive, also demand outstrips supply .. but once supply outstrips demand and the Chinese here, prices will become less than ICE..🙏
Thanks for your video.. very good.
Price of a normal new Golf GTI is around £37k and that really is what this spec of Cupra is competing with. So c. £5k more expensive but you save on fuel, insurance, maintenance and road tax. So price is fair.
Steering wheel buttons are true crap. Haptic buttons are a solution is search of a problem. Physical buttons are to be preferred.
For me the perfect range is 250 miles at 75 mph. That means it will do 200 miles on the M1 and still have 20% of battery left. That gets me one motorway service station further than I would want to drive in one go without stopping. Cupra is close to that in top spec
415 miles in the day, that's a fair chunk of Sydney to Melbourne (870km / 540 miles). Which, 2 charges en route would be 20-80% with a full charge at each end, that's basically how you'd do stops and breaks anyway (I do it regularly). Just means I'd eat in instead of takeaway, but I wouldn't need to stand outside whilst pumping fuel. Very do-able!
Great Video, Rain does make a big difference to range, I also have the V3 77kw in white and have also used Norwich when i was on holiday in Norfolk which is amazing - I tend to use "performance mode" which is between Comfort and Cupra and just gives you a sharper ride and better throttle, luckily mine is a company car so the price tag isn't a concern but love it and everyone who has been in it loves it
Forgot to add service package for 3 years is £7 a month with Cupra. Includes services, wiper blade replacement and first MOT, bargain compared to ICE car.
As you say ideally use the battery between 20% & 80% but do go not below 50% frequently and never fully charge or leave it in high charge condition if you want to manage the life of your battery ,.This is the advice from Warrick Uni the WMG group battery science
EV's all well and good 65+% of people live with no drive so no away of home charging so subject to utter crap unreliable over priced public charging - then there's the price of them still too expensive for most people - then there's all this bullshit your saving the planet because you have not got an exhaust pipe out the back well the electricity has to come from somewhere PowerStation's and what powers them oil /gas /coal / nuclear so carbon footprint just moved else where - cant count wind/wave/solar just not enough of them to make it count. There's only one EV id purchase because I don't have a drive so no home charging is Tesla purely for the charging network but again out of my price range. Then theres the time you have to use an EV to break even with the carbon foot print is 65000miles.
Gridserve is powered by green energy but I do accept you point about off street parking 👍
@@PetrolPed that is a step in the right direction the problem there is if you want to use green electricity are there enough of them on all journeys you wish to take for now probably not. Hopefully they will expand to the same level as Teslas network yes I know Tesla aren't green yet either. The infrastructure as to be built first before people change,then make EVs affordable 😉
Dartford Tunnel 🥴
One of the issues I have with EVs, whoever reviews them, always talks about being efficient between 20 and 80% charge. On that basis, you are only ever utilising 60% of the vehicles actual range if you want it to be efficient and reduce charging time, wear on battery etc. If I was spending over 40 grand for a car I don't want to be limiting myself to only 60% of its capability. That needs to be rectified.
It is to do with how the battery actually accepts charge. It it much slower for the first 20% and last 20%. It’s not that you can’t use it, I did in this test, it’s just that it takes longer so there is a schoole of thought that multiple quick charges between 20-80% is more time efficient 👍
@@PetrolPed How can you claim it is slower in the first 20 %? This is really bad fake news. VW measures charge times 5-80 % for a good reason.
I believe the 20%-80% rule of thumb just applied to rapid charging, due to the battery management required to maintain battery health. However, with a home charger charging to 100% isn’t an issue, so you have all the battery range available.
Few people will keep a vehicle long enough to notice battery degradation, so if you're the first owner paying hundreds of pounds a month for the privilege, go ahead and fully charge it all the time; if you have the patience to wait for that last 20% to just trickle in
I don't think the lower 20% is really a thing, I think it's just to make you feel better about not running right down and potentially being stranded
I often go down to 10% or lower in my Ioniq 5, and it gets from there to 80% in 18 minutes, or an extra 10 mins to 90%
To be honest I'm not that impressed with the charging speed in Born and other VAG cars. They seem to tail off quickly
I wonder if you pass your test in an electric car if you can drive a manual ice car
Simple answer…No. You would need to take the test again in a manual first 👍
Stats are interesting between cupra mine and range mode, and looking at the day, the journey out would possibly have used more power due to adverse weather. Great review
im sorry all electric cars are far to expensive ill take a guess and say at least 75% of people could not afford to buy one, plus this idea that electric cars are new technology they aren't its old technology there were electric cars setting speed records when internal combustion engines were hardly off the ground so if you had 2 identical cars one electric one petrol the electric car should be cheaper and having worked in the car industry in manufacturing its surprising how cheap massed produced cars are so if you were paying £25.000 for the car you would still paying to much.