M-Bahn Berlin April 1990
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Often thought of as a 'magnetic levitation' transport was the (West) Berlin, Germany, M-Bahn. This system used a linear synchronous motor in the guideway which reacted with permanent magnets on the vehicles to provide 85% of the support as well as propel the trains. The vehicles were also fitted with small lateral and vertical rollers which provided 15% of the support as well as helping keep the vehicle within preset lateral limits.
Very much experimental in nature there were just three stations along a 1.6 km route which took the train very close to the former division between the Eastern and Western sectors of the city.
This installation ceased operating in the early 1990's - it was partially built over a closed section of the former U-Bahn and with Berlins' re-unification the route was needed to allow the U-Bahn to be reopened.
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This video includes views of all three stations (Gleisdreieck - where the M-Bahn took over a [then] disused U-Bahn station platform, Bernburger Str. and Kemperplatz) plus the Berlin wall, which 5 months after its breaching had already been partly demolished.
The M-Bahn also features on my website, on a page which looks at Monorails, Maglevs and 'Cabin' Transports.
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Further information & weblinks about the M-Bahn can also be found at the free online "Wikipedia" encyclopædia.
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I can't say "thank you" enough for so many great interesting videos of former Berlin! If you have more, please put them all on youtube! Thanx!!!
Ich habe in der Nähe der M-Bahn gewohnt. War immer wieder ein Erlebnis die Bahn fahren zu Sehen :=
This looks so unreal - futuristic and vintage at the same time.
Thanks for your appreciative comments.
I might have a little more from Berlin, but essentially most of what I have is already here.
I plan to uplift more videos of other cities later this year. I'll look for more Berlin too.
Simon
some cities have had this for many years (eg: Singapore)
But their systems are newer and had it installed at the same time as the system was built. For cities such as London, and Berlin the systems were built before the days of platforms doors. London's Jubilee Line only has them on the extension which was opened in 1999.
Paris and Hong Kong have been fitting them to existing stations. Simon
Die Magnetbahn als kurzzeitiges Experiment zwischen Gleisdreieck und Tiergarten (1988-1989) aufgebaut
btw: wusste ich auch nicht .. hammer :D
My grandfather was a farmer in a rural area in Thuringia (former GDR). They used machinery from the 1950s on. Despite its flaws, the GDR was not a 3rd world country. So maybe an ATO-System caused astonishment but not a shock or even fear.
As you say, the distances were very short, so there was not the space to travel quickly.
In Japan the Linimo magnetic levitation urban transport train can reach 100 km/h - approx 62mph.
I know. I dont say that it is. But it IS a 'cabin' transport, which are looked at on the same webpage as some monorails.
Simon
Many thanks for that clip
i drove that M-Bahn 5 or 6 times
Nice pictures from Potsdamer Platz (which constists only one house - the Weinhaus Huth) and the polish (black-) flea market .
Was it a bumpy ride, can you compare it to other transport systems you rode? Was the linear motor loud?
@@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter It was a very smooth and quiet ride with that maglev
What you hear here is the noise of the traffic of the cars on the street
@@dl8cy Thanks, I saw a bit of bumpiness at the switch (4:33), that's why I asked. There is a constant high pitch sound from the linear motors (example at 2:06), but I guess it wasn't too loud for the passengers (6:44).
@@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter Maybe my memory is fading too (more than 30 yeas ago), but I remembered it as calm and gentle or they also made one or the other improvement - it was a test track and had the task of obtaining approval. The demolition was already decided with the construction.
yes, but it also used some small wheels to carry 15% of the weight.
Simon
Sehr interessant. Ich arbeite heute in dem Backsteingebäude am Gleisdreieck. Der Bahnsteig sieht noch so ähnlich aus, aber die Glasverkleidungen fehlen. Dort fährte heute die U2.
One of the original trains as well as a part of the rails can be seen at DB-Museum in Nuremberg.
Einer der originalen AEG-Züge sowie ein Trassenteil steht heute im Freigelände des DB-Museums in Nürnberg.
thank you for preserving this footage!
One of my most important aims when I visited Berlin in April 1990 was to film the M-Bahn, as I knew that it would need to be closed to allow the part of the U-Bahn it travels over to reopen.
Sehr interessant. Ich arbeite heute in dem roten Backstein-Gebäude am Gleisdreieck, dort fährt heute die U2 entlang. Die M-Bahn wäre spannender. Schade, dass sie sich nicht durchsetzte.
I wonder what the eastern Europeans thought of driverless (computerised) trains - especially those who came from rural communities where farmers still used horses.
Simon
Eastern European from a rural village was flying to space decades before this train, they were flying supersonic airliner before the Concorde, and had a space plane self land without any crew before the M-Bahn was opened for the passengers, so you shouldn't disrespect them.
And the M-Bahn would be a sensation even if it opened today, not just for rural eastern Europeans...
Mechanisation of farming was a key policy in every communist country, so everyone knew about technology and nobody used horses for farming. Of course the equipment was mediocre at best and the communalisation of agrarian property killed the farmers motivation to keep it running, so everything broke down quite quickly after the end of communism. Those pictures of horse carriages in the 90s were horses used for transportation, not for farming (they didn't have horse drawn farming equipment at that point for decades, not at least because iron/steel were considered valuable and strictly recycled in communist countries).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, there already was an automatic (demonstration) line in Moscow in the late 60s, although it was disassembled after a few years. Many capital cities had subways, and it was a policy to show "modern life" and "culture" to farmers (this meant they were sometimes carted by busloads into the capital or other big cities and shown around - as a form of propaganda)
Es war hauptsächlich ein Demonstrationsobjekt der Bahnindustrie. Die Fahrt war nach meiner Erinnerung übrigens kostenlos (wenn sie mal fuhr; oft war sie wegen Testfahrten o.ä. geschlossen).
Danke für diese Ehre... Mr. Hankey
yes, closed in 1991.
Simon
No, this system has been operated fully automatic (driverless).
@mymovie3 Because a former metro line was rebuilt on this section from 1992
I came here after watching David Frankel's amazing documentary.
Yes that is an excellent documentary, I'm pleased that I was able to get back to Berlin in April 1990 to see things such as this M-Bahn, at the time I knew that I needed to return before it was 'too late' but not that it would be open for normal passenger service for just two months before being torn down to facilitate reinstatement of the U-Bahn
ich will auch...
schade das es die nich mehr gibt ):
No, of course not. It was build before the wall came down on West Berlin territory only, but very close to the wall.
Good question.
I am sorry, I do not know the answer.
Simon
Yes Potsdamer Platz.
It was the division between East Berlin and West Berlin.
So it was empty. People who went there were shot / killed by the DDR border guards.
Simon
It's cool you have a video of this short-lived service. Was it the first line in Berlin to have platform-edge doors?
~Ra'akone
No wonder, this train was in west berlin, and build from west german company's. And haved only 3 stations, it was a experiment
as a berliner born in the the early 80s, i had never heard of that in my life.
Wo liegen hier die Vorzüge gegenüber der Schwebebahn (Einschienige Hängebahn System Eugen Langen)?
was waren vor- und nachteile dieser bahn oder war es mehr eine demonstration?
gabs da mal nicht den "polenmarkt"? da konnte man immer zlotys kaufen, in der größe eines 1-DM stücks :o)
alter ich bin berliner seit dem ich 1985 das licht der welt erblickt hab jetz bin ich 24 und sehe und höre auf einmal von num kumel das wir hier in den 80ern man betone achtzigerrrrrn .... ;) ne magnet bahn hatten im öffentlich verkehr ... weder mama noch papa haben je ein wort drüber verloren .... nun den xD abgefahren echt
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel krass wie die zeit vergeht wa ...
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel Haha, wollte das auch grad schreiben
Beim Gleisdreieck fährt doch heute die Nord-Süd-Fernbahn her!
do these trains have a driver??
seit wann fährt die nich mehr?? und gibts noch alte bahnhöfe und die schienen?? (ich wusste garnicht das es früher hier ne magnetbahn gab!!)
Leider benutzte sie am Gleisdreieck die Trasse der U2. Deshalb musste sie abgebaut werden, um die beiden Teile der U2 im Osten und im Westen wieder verbinden zu können.
East Germany was actually the most advanced of the Socialist countries.
So it wouldn't be that much of a shock for those people.
sorry, I do not know. (platform doors)
Simon
Sorry, I dont know.
Possibly.
ist aber schon abgerissen oder ???
@lazyfreedom98
And this is important here why? Germany is a modern democracy and a highly developed industrial nation today.
geil da war ich 2 :D
nice
1:52 Die Ludof's Klingel!!!!
also ich wohne in berlin aber hab sowas noch nie gesehen
les doch mal im Title es war im jahr "1990"
Yellow above Blue ( ? ) . . . Germany Lost Wars.
Umweltfreundlich? Har jemand schon die Baukosten pro km, der Stromvervrauch, von so einem Schnappsideeprojekt zusammengerechnet und mit der normalen Schienen S Bahn verglichen?
Laut Wikipedia 20% weniger Energie als eine konventionelle U-Bahn. Dazu weniger Geräuschemissionen. Wirtschaftlich war sie auch, kam quasi ohne Personal aus.
@@Balikon Der Vergleich beim Personal hing aber auch damit zusammen, dass die Ubahn zu dem Zeitpunkt noch Zugabfertiger in den Bahnhöfen hatte. Die wurden ungefähr zur gleichen Zeit langsam durch Abfertigung durch den Fahrer ersetzt. Zusammen mit den längeren Zügen und natürlich dem bereits bestehenden Netz hat sich das System dann so leider nicht mehr gelohnt.
@@Schmidtelpunkt Man hat bei der M-Bahn nicht nur keine Zugabfertiger gehabt, sondern auch keine Fahrer.
@@Balikon Ja, das war offenbar der Plan. Nur hat die ursprüngliche Kalkulation die Einsparung von beiden zwei Stellen dem Umbau und Betrieb gegenübergestellt. In der Realität war der Unterschied aber nur noch eine der Stellen. Und auch bei dieser wäre im Fall von stärker frequentierten Bahnhöfen die Frage, inwiefern ein komplett automatisierter Betrieb realistisch wäre - etwa nach einem Konzert oder Fußballspiel, wenn sich sagenwirmal "temperamentvolle" Massen gegen die Glastüren drängen und eine Einschätzung der Situation notwendig wäre, oder bei Zwischenfällen wie Unfällen oder medizinischen Notfällen und der Ermöglichung von Barrierefreiheit. Entsprechend optimistisch ist die Annahme, auf Zugabfertiger komplett verzichten zu können, was in die Entscheidung eingeflossen sein dürfte.