Thanks for the tips on setting up a network inside of your internet facing one. I have no intention of upgrading to what ever they want to do. I downgraded my firmware to the version I could go with the 3rd party agreement, then installed X1Plus and set Lan only. I can used Orca locally and send files to the X1C and see the camera. The only downside it the MicroSD card fills up with image files and has to be cleared when full. I saw a YT video on how to connect to the printer using SSH and can access the card from my computer, I was at Micro Center today and they had at least 20 X1C combos and another batch of just X1C - was hard to keep my mouth closed around the people looking at them
They are still amazing printers, and I think you have demonstrated another way to go that removes and possibility of Bambu Lab doing all of the horrible and insidious things people are claiming they will do. So maybe recommend the printer but advise people they may not want to connect it to Bambu Lab's cloud until they have confirmed any updates to the TOS or new requirements they may not be comfortable with
A frog in slowly boiled water is a good analogy for the situation. Just another corporation that thinks they own your equipment. You want to talk security, how about... (Its your responsibility). You want a remote connection? Set up a dns, end of story.
Thank you LenDizzle for trying to be a voice of reason and "here's how you pivot" versus the "Bambu Lab shot my dog and stole my bible" bad country music song style overreactions I see most people doing. To everyone else - this proposed change is in BETA, not RTM/Final, and there is time for things to change. Stay firm/resolute in what you are willing to accept, let Bamby Lab know constructively what you will and won't accept, and vote with your dollars. Want to do something constructive? Start a petition for them to develop an open API as s secure alternative to MQTT they claim they have security concerns with. Flipping out on them, accusing them of everything under the sun, and then demanding them to change is not how you win people over to your POV.
“Bricking your printer” was not a headline because it gets clicks, as you say. It was straight from their Terms of Service. It is not unreasonable to say that Bambu can brick your printer when it says it right there in the Terms of Service if you do not update your printer for security-critical updates.
If you don't update the firmware, how can they "brick it"? They might be able to limit cloud based printing, but if the printer is in the same configuration as when you bought it, the card slot is still functional. Therefore, not bricked.
@ I think you’re missing the point. The point is that they wrote terms that allow them to make your printer stop working. How they will do that is kind of irrelevant. Yes, it’s technically possible in the sense that they can issue a command that blacklists your printer’s serial number.
@@Calamity-Spice The firmware allegedly has a hard coded 1 year timer that has to be renewed by either phoning home to the bambu servers or by the printer updating. Once the timer expires, allegedly, the printer will throw up a prompt for you to update and will not launch any print jobs until the printer is updated. Kinda like how HP printers lock up, to the point of not letting you scan documents, if you don't routinely purchase ink for them. The theory proposed on twitter is its a forced obsolescence tactic that was flying under the radar until this controversy came to light. Which has been something that's gained popularity within tech companies in the last 10 years, its not uncommon to see software AND hardware vendors turning off access to activation servers or access to cloud-dependent devices in order to force their customers to purchase the newer versions of said hardware/software.
@@TechnicallyaNomad I see the point that you said "Bambu can brick your printer", someone points out you are incorrect, and your response is "you are missing the point"? You lost me with your reasoning. Either you are saying something factual or you aren't, and if you mean something else then say something else.
@@reluttr2 Keyword "Allegedly"...I watched more videos that discounted this "theory". Can we stop the chicken little/I heard X nonsense now, and focus on facts?
literally all the things they claimed was "false" has the same connotations. Tying usage of the printer to a "cloud" that authorizes the action means at some point they could make all those claims true. All those claims are 1 desperate cash grab update away from being true. "hey, we dont want to support that model anymore, but it needs to communicate with our cloud for you to use it, sorry"... but maybe they will be one of the first companies when it gets to that point push a patch that will release it from needing the cloud? doubtful
"literally all the things they claimed was "false" has the same connotations. " - please provide specific examples. You don't want to use the cloud because you don't like their requirements to connect to it? Use LAN mode.
And yet misinformation, allegations, and people frothing at the mouth are still going strong. everyone needs to take a deep breath, chill out, and wait for facts and not "I heard X" or "they will brick your printer"...
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Thanks for the tips on setting up a network inside of your internet facing one. I have no intention of upgrading to what ever they want to do. I downgraded my firmware to the version I could go with the 3rd party agreement, then installed X1Plus and set Lan only. I can used Orca locally and send files to the X1C and see the camera. The only downside it the MicroSD card fills up with image files and has to be cleared when full. I saw a YT video on how to connect to the printer using SSH and can access the card from my computer, I was at Micro Center today and they had at least 20 X1C combos and another batch of just X1C - was hard to keep my mouth closed around the people looking at them
They are still amazing printers, and I think you have demonstrated another way to go that removes and possibility of Bambu Lab doing all of the horrible and insidious things people are claiming they will do.
So maybe recommend the printer but advise people they may not want to connect it to Bambu Lab's cloud until they have confirmed any updates to the TOS or new requirements they may not be comfortable with
How do you get this still image in Bambu Studio on the Status view? For me there is just everything black. 🤔
A frog in slowly boiled water is a good analogy for the situation. Just another corporation that thinks they own your equipment. You want to talk security, how about... (Its your responsibility). You want a remote connection? Set up a dns, end of story.
Thank you LenDizzle for trying to be a voice of reason and "here's how you pivot" versus the "Bambu Lab shot my dog and stole my bible" bad country music song style overreactions I see most people doing.
To everyone else - this proposed change is in BETA, not RTM/Final, and there is time for things to change. Stay firm/resolute in what you are willing to accept, let Bamby Lab know constructively what you will and won't accept, and vote with your dollars. Want to do something constructive? Start a petition for them to develop an open API as s secure alternative to MQTT they claim they have security concerns with. Flipping out on them, accusing them of everything under the sun, and then demanding them to change is not how you win people over to your POV.
“Bricking your printer” was not a headline because it gets clicks, as you say. It was straight from their Terms of Service. It is not unreasonable to say that Bambu can brick your printer when it says it right there in the Terms of Service if you do not update your printer for security-critical updates.
If you don't update the firmware, how can they "brick it"? They might be able to limit cloud based printing, but if the printer is in the same configuration as when you bought it, the card slot is still functional. Therefore, not bricked.
@ I think you’re missing the point. The point is that they wrote terms that allow them to make your printer stop working. How they will do that is kind of irrelevant. Yes, it’s technically possible in the sense that they can issue a command that blacklists your printer’s serial number.
@@Calamity-Spice The firmware allegedly has a hard coded 1 year timer that has to be renewed by either phoning home to the bambu servers or by the printer updating. Once the timer expires, allegedly, the printer will throw up a prompt for you to update and will not launch any print jobs until the printer is updated. Kinda like how HP printers lock up, to the point of not letting you scan documents, if you don't routinely purchase ink for them.
The theory proposed on twitter is its a forced obsolescence tactic that was flying under the radar until this controversy came to light. Which has been something that's gained popularity within tech companies in the last 10 years, its not uncommon to see software AND hardware vendors turning off access to activation servers or access to cloud-dependent devices in order to force their customers to purchase the newer versions of said hardware/software.
@@TechnicallyaNomad I see the point that you said "Bambu can brick your printer", someone points out you are incorrect, and your response is "you are missing the point"? You lost me with your reasoning. Either you are saying something factual or you aren't, and if you mean something else then say something else.
@@reluttr2 Keyword "Allegedly"...I watched more videos that discounted this "theory".
Can we stop the chicken little/I heard X nonsense now, and focus on facts?
literally all the things they claimed was "false" has the same connotations.
Tying usage of the printer to a "cloud" that authorizes the action means at some point they could make all those claims true. All those claims are 1 desperate cash grab update away from being true.
"hey, we dont want to support that model anymore, but it needs to communicate with our cloud for you to use it, sorry"... but maybe they will be one of the first companies when it gets to that point push a patch that will release it from needing the cloud? doubtful
"literally all the things they claimed was "false" has the same connotations. " - please provide specific examples.
You don't want to use the cloud because you don't like their requirements to connect to it? Use LAN mode.
topic is a week old
And yet misinformation, allegations, and people frothing at the mouth are still going strong.
everyone needs to take a deep breath, chill out, and wait for facts and not "I heard X" or "they will brick your printer"...