Lilia is a Divination Witch. Remember, she's been blurting out 'random' stuff since episode 2. And she doesn't even realize it. Dw it had nothing to do with this trial or anything lol. But I THINK she's been saying things that have already happened or WILL happen
Everything shes saying is gonna be said in future eps ( shes like being possessed by her future self and doesn’t know it) and it’s obvs gonna get crazy cause everything she blurts out sounds ominous and terrible lol
Remember when she said "I love you guys" out of nowhere in the basement episode 2? I'm this episode she talks about how she thought they were going to all hate each other, but now... then she trails off. But she didn't really trail off. The sentence ended with "I love you guys" but she finished the sentence 2 episodes ago
nah Sheera is right Agatha does not act like someone who would give up her son willingly, it's pretty obvious that Rio took him even if she didn't want to and that's why Agatha is mad at her
@@lidia8422 my theory is agatha had to kill her baby for the darkhold like a soul for a soul and since rio who i think is death was close with agatha she could revive her baby or keep him from death
LET ME COOK!!! Lol Ok so I think the most interesting and likely (based on how the story is going) scenario is that her son just died…no evil shit he just died as people do and Rio being death had to take him. Agatha, like any mother, stole the darkhold to try ANYTHING to maybe save her son. Which is interesting (and sad) because that exactly what Wanda did 😢 desperate and willing to anything. Also there is a clue in wandavision about this that corraberates my theory. There is a scene when the boys rabbit or cat dies and Wanda says to the boy maybe things dont need to stay dead or something like that can’t exactly remember but Agatha looks at her in a way and asks seriously “you can do that” I think everything even from the first show has been about trying to bring back her son v sad honestly…ultimately Agatha doesn’t seem evil at all just a bitter sad cowardly person that pushes people away and puts up a front. Rio seems kinda similar as well as in a person with a heart but buries it deep behind a facade. You can see it break down when Rio and Agatha are alone…they are vulnerable and intimate and Rio makes a point to not take advantage of Agatha by telling her it’s not her son…she’s doesn’t want to kiss in a lie…not the behavior of an evil person. V interesting and well written character/couple excited to see the whole picture as the story progresses! Remember this whole season, in my eyes, has been about rumors and lies told about witches/women and healing generational trauma/ just trauma. That considered it makes my theory that more likely…for Agatha by the end of the series she will except her sons death and adopt Wiccan…I also have another theory that maybe along the way more of her coven will die and by the end it will be only her and instead of wishing for her son back she’ll wish for her coven 😭 emphasizing that she has let go of her grief and has grown as a person who values and loves her friends!!
@@numbemma6764 I have the same thought with the exception that Agatha WILLINGLY killed her child. The Darkhold feels sounds like it’d pull some Faustian bullshit killed the kid when really she was trying to kill someone else
@@numbemma6764 maybe she got tricked into giving up her child like in ahs when marie had to give her an innocent life for her immortality (i don’t remember if she knew it had to be her baby specifically or not) and maybe rio knows who teen actually is and didnt want agatha to get hurt when she found out
Roshi, let Sheera cook. You have to listen to the Divination Witch😂, they know stuff from the great beyond. Rio said she did something she didn't want to do but had to. It was her job, she also referred to herself as THE green witch meaning she's ancient. She said she's on the journey to collect the bodies of the coven in the end. She probably had to take the body of Agatha's son from her either as apart of a deal or because he died and she returns them back to the earth and take their souls elsewhere...
I think the demon has been on her shoulder THE WHOLE TIME! That’s why shes like “I feel lighter” and when you see the demon it can become invisible…it’s been with her always…some jjk shit
@@mickaelabarry8719 which is wild when you think about what that meant for her as a newborn or as a kid. She said she thought the scars were birthmarks. I love that her mom changed the ballad to make it work as a protection spell.
@@IndomitableAde she did change it and she made sure it was a hit song so it would be playing everywhere always so her daughter would always be protected! Really beautiful honestly! Gotta be honest I love this show
@@dreamcatcher2327for the same reason these people wiki and pretend to know things. Seriously, no one reads comics anymore. Everyone that “knows” all these characters and storylines are doing nothing but googling and wiki. So to answer your question: they think it makes them look cool.
In the comics it’s stated that Wiccan and speed were born from two different families but were still siblings cause of Wanda’s power (and or Mephistopho fuckery lol)
@@stancinatti8198Not Speed, Vin Vision, he’s basically the Tommy equivalent for White Vision’s family. It’s possible he could also play Speed, but idk if they’re gonna keep the twins identical like in the comics, bc that’s how they found out they were Wanda’s kids.
Y’all gotta let Sheera cook lol. There’s actually been spoilers about Aubrey Plaza’s character and what Sheera’s saying might make sense. We’ll have to wait and see in the finale tho.
Rio skips down the path like Dorothy in the wizard of oz. She is the only one not affected by the curse during the trial. Even teen is thrown through the glass.
@@uselesshuman7644 I don’t think so but somone is watching them (the eyes in the mask) maybe they thru teen. Or maybe we are looking to much into it and it was just the demon being crazy lol
I agree with Sheera's theories. You are on point, girl! That's the same direction I am leaning in too, like reincarnation of Nicholas in Wanda's son. I also think that Rio might have been the one who may have "killed" Nicholas. I don't think Agatha just straight up traded her son because it is very clear she loved him. Rio could have meant that's not her in the since that isn't him in physical form or he's not hers because Rio said she's there to take bodies, which means all of bodies belong to her. It's like her trying to keep Agatha from suffering the pain she already felt with whatever happen with Nicholas, which we now know Rio was a part of.
The campfire scene in the end is honestly what made me go from liking to LOVING this show. Character building moments like that are the reason why I love Marvel and the MCU in the first place.
23:10 They did have souls, that’s exactly how it went down in the comics. She created them in a “false”/alternate reality, discovered what she did and had to destroy it all. But their souls were so powerful they reincarnated back in time which is why present-day they’re teenagers who have lived full teenage lives with no memory of their past life. In the comics, Billy and Tommy see each other during some kind of mission or conflict (and since they’re identical) they realize they’re twins and go to the Avengers for help. I believe it’s Captain America (Steve) specifically that has the idea that they’d be the kids of Wanda, so then they’re sent on a quest to rediscover Wanda after she’s been presumed dead by taking her own life by Doctor Strange (which is exactly what went down in Multiverse of Madness). This comic is called “Young Avengers: Children’s Crusade.” They found out Wanda’s been brainwashed again by Doctor Doom after she lost all her memories, and now he’s trying to take her as his wife and steal her powers. Hopefully this is the story they’re running with for the MCU’s introduction of Doctor Doom (even though I despise that casting…).
Alice got her Advil from Rio's appearance (Vidal anagram for Advil), passing her trial/ending the curse and all, but Rio stressing everyone else tf out while just lurking in the bg (not affected by anything...).
For sheera to not know the lore at 21:45 she cooking cause Aubrey plaza is death from the comic books, I’m sure Agatha made the trade for the book right and rio was the one that had to take her son even though she didn’t want to but she had to cause she was death so that’s how she knows for sure that’s not Agatha son
Liliana is a divination witch so she sees things from other times. Her outbursts aren't hers, its when she's 'seeing' something. That's why she worked as a psychic. In the first episode she blurted out "Get off me!!" in this episode, I think that's what she said when the demon landed on her shoulders.
I don't think she is seeing words or phrases that she herself will be saying. The "get off me" line was said by Ms. Hart last episode was when she wandered off, and the tree branch was in her way. And she about three swords that made up Jennifer's healing spell.
Regarding the divination witch, I think she honestly trouble telling if she's in the future or present. Her outbursts are probably her reacting to future interactions as though she was already there.
YES! Here she says "Alice don't" which in another later episode is the prefix to "Try to save Agatha". You are correct, she was reacting to a future event of Alice trying to save Agatha by blasting her with her powers and Lilia was advising her not to but her advise split into two timelines.
It was never stated as fact that Agatha traded her kid. Everyone that's said that basically stated atleast that's what people say and Agatha isn't the type of person that will fight against those rumors.
Can't believe how much i've been enjoying Agatha but also makes so funny the outrage of people even before the series premiere, like, some people were really mad and even more mad at you guys, for starting to react to this series.
I think people forget one piece of the puzzle when it comes to Teen, he was in a horrible car accident that made the newspaper when he was 13, which he mentioned slightly last episode. Thats 3 years ago show-wise which would put him around the time when Wanda was doing her shenanigans in Westview (he's from Eastview which i'm assuming wouldn't be to far from Westview) Maybe during that car accident he died or got close to it and a piece of either Billy's or Nicholas's (or both) got into him during that time since its said that when you're that close to death the window between is blurred. And considering the blast radius of Wanda's magic and the fact that she wasn't in full control of how far she reaches she could inadvertently put a piece into teen since some part of her power comes from the soul stone. Which would also explain Teen's love for magic but not being able to have power yet.
I'm in a similar place as Sheera. I also think there's a non zero chance that Agatha didn't outright trade her son for the book. It was either an unexpected cost or maybe something bad happened to him, like he got sick or hurt. Rio had to come and claim him "bc it was her job" bc she's like a reaper or something that claims the dead. So she sought the book like Wanda to gain power to get her son back maybe? I also think there's some wiggle room in what Rio said, when she's like " that boy isn't yours" - it could literally mean that's not your son or it could mean he died/you traded him so he doesn't belong to you anymore... no idea where it's really headed and I love that. Also, Lilia has been having premonitions every episode since we first met her. When she screamed in the kitchen, "get off me" at the circle, "i love you guys" and "we have to save agatha" last episode, "am I kooky or am I whispy" and "Alice, don't" and "you know, in the beginning we sort of hated each other" from this ep (I think that's all, but this is from memory so I may have forgotten some. Anyway. I'm like.... mildly sure we saw the first one come true here. When we first met her and she screamed in the kitchen she also held her hands up around her head (I watch a lot of reactions) - I think that might have been calling forward to when the Teen plays the record and starts this trial and they are all screaming and covering their ears. Bc immediately after she says "we've been cursed" or something. I think she knew immediately bc she's seen that moment in her premonition 2 eps ago.
Yeah it's a motif that comes back often, people make deals with demons or the devil and the cost is greater than what was agreed on. I doubt that Agatha willingly traded her son. Maybe she tried to have her cake and eat it too then it backfired.
Lilia, Patti Lupone's character doesn't have a mental illness; she's a divinations witch...she's having like divination turrets; now and then a sudden jerk of premonition...
Yeah. She doesn't have full control of her visions. It comes randomly and then took over her for a second. Probably why she herself doesn't realize what she's saying.
This got me thinking... Who's ghost is the one who said "I love you guys" in episode 3. That's not something Lilia herself would've said. Edit: Wait... I thought for a second it was Sharon but she's still alive then. I thought so because the way Lilia said it is similar to how Sharon's way of talking.
@@ushijimawakatoshi1429 i don’t even think when she has her “moments” it’s always a ghost talking i think she just says future moments and doesn’t realize it too
I feel like he will be Wiccan, but his mother will be Agatha, like in the comics he was another woman's son, but with Wanda's son soul, could be something similar here
Honestly it's possible and they might be saving it for the finale, that could be the real test to get to the finish line. Agatha is on her redemption arc, but those who she wronged might not forgive her.
My own personal theory is that teen is Agathas son and the green witch saying "that boy's not yours" doesn't mean not her son, it means he belongs to someone else now, like maybe mephisto or someone like that
It seems Lilia’s words are mixed up from her seeing past and future. She was finishing her sentence from the previous episode from when she said “ I love you guys”
Rio’s clothes and knives reflect the tarot card of death. A black heart and curved knife. She says the boy is not Agatha’s. So whose boy is he? If he were Wiccan where is his brother? Unless they were gonna intro speed in another show or movie. Maybe he is Nicolas scratch kid or he himself is Mephistos kid.
Honnestly i wounldn't take Speed in consideration lol literally no one cares about the character he's infinitely less popular than Wiccan so they'll just introduce him whenever later
it's a good show that gets people coming up with all kinds of questions and theories. as long as those questions get answered (mostly) and the final resolution is satisfying (or nearly so).
I’m glad Agatha has grown a real strong attachment bond with Teen to the point where she actually shows her true emotions that she’s hiding in the inside trying to claw it’s way out to the surface, whether or not it’s her son or not he seems to be bringing out the good inside of her 🥺
In the comics, Agatha's child is the villain of Fantastic 4 and Agatha, the creator of Salem Seven (the people in robes in episode 2) was created by Agatha's child in the comics.l
I like to see the theories they come up with. Cause I know stuff due to easter eggs and comics, so It's cool to hear them think about what will happen next
Rio says collect her body’s. Before the said she had a black heart and I was thinking they may have gender swapped Mephisto son black heart. But maybe she is death. I would think that a cosmic entity like this would be introduced in the movies kinda like eternity in Thor 4. Because she feels very solid with earth 🌏 and I would think a cosmic force would be on other planets and universe as well. I would think she would be so close to humans.
Yeah omg i think so too. Every sign leads to Rio being lady/mistress death or something. Thats why in episode 1 I couldn't figure out why Agatha said if she takes Rio's power then she'll die!! 😱 AND Rio said she 'had to do her job'. So she literally had to take her son's soul. After Agatha sacraficed him
@@Kidapollo92 the way the marvel universe has multiple afterlife’s and gods, is the same way there are probably other entities that represent death. Or who are ‘deaths helpers’.
Lilia has premonition abilities can tell what's going to happen and what already did happen her mind goes out into the future which is why she says things out of the blue because of future events. She did it in episodes previously.
I don't think Jen is getting her magic back like you guys said When Lilian said "look at what you did" i think she meant something like "see? Even without your magic you still got it" The bound probably got her ability to make magic using energy, but let her keep her ability to cast spells Just like Agatha said "they can take your power, but not your knowledge" and like teen said "there's always analog magic, witchcraft, enfasis in the craft" In the end, even without her magic, Agatha was still able to use the spell book to summon Rio, and Teen was able to break Wanda's spell even though he said himself that he's missing power So all of that proves that even without power you can still do magic by using incantations and some materials from Earth, which I'm actually glad with 'cause it makes the MCU magic system more interesting
25:15 also Rio looked pissed he was there and then pissed that he lived. Also it was her magic that threw him through the glass. Ppl missing that one big time.
Lilia doesn't have mental issues - she's a clairvoyant! Typical skill set: seeing past, present, and future; communing with the spirit realm. Everything she says means something, but it's out of context. We've already seen some of her outbursts catch up - she said "get off me" out of nowhere, which is what Mrs Davis said later when she wandered off the road. As for the Agatha-Rio-Nick intrigue, my theory - Agatha's deal for the Darkhold was Faustian, she didn't know it was going to cost her child. Rio is likely to be the one who actually took Nicholas - pretty sure she's Lady Death, hence wanting bodies, and it might have been her 'job' to complete the transaction, so to say. Hence Agatha's hatred for someone who had obviously meant a lot to her earlier. I'm still intrigued as to why Rio is so desperate to kill Agatha, but I figure that will come in time 🙂 As for what Rio said at the end - I think it was the truth. And I don't think it was to hurt Agatha - I actually think Rio was trying to be kind by bursting her bubble now rather than letting her live in false hope. We'll see though
In Episode 2, Lilia said "Get off me!" in one of her kooky moments. Then in this episode while the curse was on her, she was saying "Get it off me." over and over. Then in Episode 3, while they were in the living room drinking, Lilia said, "I love you guys." And in this episode in the campfire scene, she was talking and she drifts away with Jen asking "But now?" and she can't follow the conversation. The "I love you, guys" from Episode 3 must be what Lilia was about to say. Perhaps, her consciousness drifts from one period of her life to another and that's when she blurts out stuff. Now this leaves the following words that has yet to be connected to any events: "Try to protect Agatha." - She said to Agatha in the bathroom of Episode 3. "Am I Kooky or Bitchy? Which one is it?" - She said to Alice during this Episode 4. "Alice. Alice, Don't." - She said to Alice during this Episode 4. She also said "High Priestess" during Episode when talking to Jen, which symbolizes intuition and sacred knowledge. She also said "Three of Pentacles" during Episode 2 when Agatha was trying to recruit her which meant pooling experiences together - probably talking about how they join forces to get into the Witches' Road and to succeed with the trials so far. Then this episode, she said "Three of Swords" which means betrayal, rejection hurt and discouragement. I am not sure if it was referring to the betrayal that happened between Agatha and Rio in the past? Or hurt because Teen was hurt in that moment? Or the rejection and discouragement Agatha felt when Rio said Teen is not her son? Or maybe it is talking betrayal that is yet to come?
Agatha's redemption would be protecting Teen regardless of who his mother is, even if he's Wanda's. I think Rio knows where Agatha's son is and probably has interacted with him. Her next adventure might be getting him back if he's really with Mephisto. Rio could also fix what she did by reuniting them. The son was taken, we don't know if he's actually dead. I do agree that the soul and body might be mismatched one could belong to Wanda's son and the other Agatha's.
This series never ceases to amaze, in the face of so many bad series, this is one of Marvel's best, but Marvel fans are not prepared for this conversation.💜🤣
miss ma'am asked 'what if you can't sing and you're on the witches road' or something like that. the road tailors itself to the specific coven walking it. it knows everything about you, even the things you don't yet know about yourself. the specialties are the same [fire, water, earth, air] but how the road specifically tests you depends entirely on you.
I see a lot of good theories, but another one I’ve been thinking about is that Rio could be Morgana Le Fay, who is also known as the green witch in the comics.
Something you have to remember about the old lady who keeps spacing out is that she is a necromancer. She was posing as a psychic in episode 2 who talk to the dead but she actually can talk to dead people and they can take over her body. So when she goes off on a random tangent, it's actually a dead person possessing her
Aubrey Plaza “green witch” came out of the ground like Wanda from Doctor Strange MoM. Also a green witch also known as a black heart seem there is more to her 🧐
I think “teen” is a combination of three characters from the comics. They’re Billy maximoff, Nickolas scratch and black heart. Black heart is the demon son of Mephisto. My working theory is that; when her son died, his soul was collected by mephisto and had his already existing powers/soul amplified and corrupted. Wanda unknowingly summoned his soul but split it in two. (Billy and Tommy). I’m also assuming Agatha’s natural magic color is blue (pre darkhold) and Billy’s powers were also blue in wandavision.
@@intothefrayyo I think it does make sense, honestly. I think it makes sense that he is all three of those characters or combining them into one character. Why else would you hide his identity and label him “teen” then?
Ok my theory about t5een is that maybe he is Agatha's kid, and when she traded him for darkhold, Rio was the one who traded him with her and she gave him to Mephisto ( Jen mentioned that maybe her kid became agent of Mephisto) and the sigil that appears on Teen looks like an 'M'. and Rio says in this ep "That's not your kid"...Not anymore" he is now mephistos agent.
Guys she is Divination witch, she is likely getting memories from future that is why she is speaking weird sometimes. It didn't start this episode, last episode she said stuff like "we need to save Agatha" and other stuff
I think that since Teen has the power to undo Wanda's spell, Teen must be the physical manifestation of Agatha's power, in the form of her son. Then, in the comics, Wanda's children actually borrowed souls from Mephisto, so the body could be Agatha's son and the soul could be Wiccan or Billy. It could be reverse, but I see this as a way for Wanda and Agatha to connect and "coparent" in a way, since in the comics they had a frenemy type relationship.
That was the funniest thing I never caught when he said "oh you put her on bass cuz she's black??" Lol I wish you edited in the part where Cartman was telling Tolken to do bass cuz he's black lol would've been way too funny. Great reference and I think he's absolutely right lol
Fair advice: Should take note on all of the slips Lilia had said throughout the show. Cause all those are her premonitions or something she could've said in that certain time in the future. Like in this episode she said "Alice, Dont!".
Sheera is almost at the finish line, while Roshi is 8 miles behind and telling her which way to go. Sheera already at the restaurant while Roshi is still driving and trying tell her directions on how to get there. Gotta be my favorite part of these Reactions when Roshi is goin on and on and way off. Never change y'all! Your theory crafting is legitimately fun and I love when y'all take such a deep interest and get passionate about a show. Also, useful note, the reason the Divination Witch keeps saying random stuff is because she is getting hit by future visions and saying things that are happening at the Future Moment. So after the show ends, it'll be fun to go back and see how her Visions lined up with everything else.
I saw a theory saying that Rio is an agent of Mephisto and was sent on a mission to take Agatha's child(by Mephisto obvi) and succeeded, causing a falling out between the 2, making them to separate. Later Agatha went down the witches road to reclaim her child but instead was given the darkhold.
Sheera is closer than she thinks. In the comics (messy as it is), Wiccan is the soul of Billy Maximoff (Wanda's son) reincarnated into the body of another kid. (happened to his brother too. different families). Technically both of Wanda's kids were conjured into existence using shards of Mephisto, but we're not gonna get into that. I could see this show doing weird soul-swap shenanigans to try and clean up Wiccan's history. Nicolas Scratch (Agatha's son) could potentially be a part of that. But what I think is more likely is that Agatha just ends up bonding with teen because he reminds her of what could have been, and it becomes a found family story where she is kind of a surrogate mother figure.
Rock band type ish
That boy out here looking like Jim Morrison
This version of the ballad is awesome and very addictive.
Lilia is a divination witch. She can see glimpses of the future. That's why she had set up shop as a fortune teller.
@@YaBoyRoshi Lilia basically having house of dragon moments lol
@@IndomitableAde she saying into the future that’s gonna play a part at the end of the show
Lilia is a Divination Witch. Remember, she's been blurting out 'random' stuff since episode 2. And she doesn't even realize it.
Dw it had nothing to do with this trial or anything lol. But I THINK she's been saying things that have already happened or WILL happen
Everything shes saying is gonna be said in future eps ( shes like being possessed by her future self and doesn’t know it) and it’s obvs gonna get crazy cause everything she blurts out sounds ominous and terrible lol
@@mickaelabarry8719 yup it’ll be elaborated further. That’s all we know thus far. Can’t wait to reach her ep tbh!
Remember when she said "I love you guys" out of nowhere in the basement episode 2?
I'm this episode she talks about how she thought they were going to all hate each other, but now... then she trails off. But she didn't really trail off. The sentence ended with "I love you guys" but she finished the sentence 2 episodes ago
@@Asylum07MasterMadman omggg
@@Asylum07MasterMadman oh wow great catch
A mother's love for her child is so powerful omg.. that scene where agatha said the ballad was a protection spell made me cry lmao 😭😭😭
nah Sheera is right Agatha does not act like someone who would give up her son willingly, it's pretty obvious that Rio took him even if she didn't want to and that's why Agatha is mad at her
@@lidia8422 my theory is agatha had to kill her baby for the darkhold like a soul for a soul and since rio who i think is death was close with agatha she could revive her baby or keep him from death
But if Rio took her kid, why would she tell Agatha that it isnt her kid?
LET ME COOK!!! Lol
Ok so I think the most interesting and likely (based on how the story is going) scenario is that her son just died…no evil shit he just died as people do and Rio being death had to take him. Agatha, like any mother, stole the darkhold to try ANYTHING to maybe save her son. Which is interesting (and sad) because that exactly what Wanda did 😢 desperate and willing to anything. Also there is a clue in wandavision about this that corraberates my theory. There is a scene when the boys rabbit or cat dies and Wanda says to the boy maybe things dont need to stay dead or something like that can’t exactly remember but Agatha looks at her in a way and asks seriously “you can do that” I think everything even from the first show has been about trying to bring back her son v sad honestly…ultimately Agatha doesn’t seem evil at all just a bitter sad cowardly person that pushes people away and puts up a front. Rio seems kinda similar as well as in a person with a heart but buries it deep behind a facade. You can see it break down when Rio and Agatha are alone…they are vulnerable and intimate and Rio makes a point to not take advantage of Agatha by telling her it’s not her son…she’s doesn’t want to kiss in a lie…not the behavior of an evil person. V interesting and well written character/couple excited to see the whole picture as the story progresses!
Remember this whole season, in my eyes, has been about rumors and lies told about witches/women and healing generational trauma/ just trauma. That considered it makes my theory that more likely…for Agatha by the end of the series she will except her sons death and adopt Wiccan…I also have another theory that maybe along the way more of her coven will die and by the end it will be only her and instead of wishing for her son back she’ll wish for her coven 😭 emphasizing that she has let go of her grief and has grown as a person who values and loves her friends!!
@@numbemma6764 I have the same thought with the exception that Agatha WILLINGLY killed her child. The Darkhold feels sounds like it’d pull some Faustian bullshit killed the kid when really she was trying to kill someone else
@@numbemma6764 maybe she got tricked into giving up her child like in ahs when marie had to give her an innocent life for her immortality (i don’t remember if she knew it had to be her baby specifically or not) and maybe rio knows who teen actually is and didnt want agatha to get hurt when she found out
Roshi, let Sheera cook. You have to listen to the Divination Witch😂, they know stuff from the great beyond.
Rio said she did something she didn't want to do but had to. It was her job, she also referred to herself as THE green witch meaning she's ancient. She said she's on the journey to collect the bodies of the coven in the end. She probably had to take the body of Agatha's son from her either as apart of a deal or because he died and she returns them back to the earth and take their souls elsewhere...
Exactly where my thoughts went as well
Is Rio Death?
@@Mazzystar0 thats on of the thories going around. TBH it fits very well..
Yup, Sheera be knowing.
Sheera do be knowing 😭her guesses are good
11:24 Hey, Sheera, Alice said she felt lighter. I think it was the fire demon leaving her body and moving around the room to attack the other witches.
The scar and the way the demon attempted to attack Alice at the end, I think the demon always stood on Alice's shoulders in an attempt to burn her.
I think the demon has been on her shoulder THE WHOLE TIME! That’s why shes like “I feel lighter” and when you see the demon it can become invisible…it’s been with her always…some jjk shit
@@mickaelabarry8719 which is wild when you think about what that meant for her as a newborn or as a kid. She said she thought the scars were birthmarks. I love that her mom changed the ballad to make it work as a protection spell.
@@rotimiabiona3234 that makes sense.
@@IndomitableAde she did change it and she made sure it was a hit song so it would be playing everywhere always so her daughter would always be protected! Really beautiful honestly! Gotta be honest I love this show
Rio being in the neighborhood when they summoned her cuz she was prob collecting Sharon's soul (RIP)
Well since the show is over why like spoil it for the viewers if they’ve never read the comics like bruv don’t spoil other people’s fun. 😌😌✌🏽
@@dreamcatcher2327for the same reason these people wiki and pretend to know things. Seriously, no one reads comics anymore. Everyone that “knows” all these characters and storylines are doing nothing but googling and wiki. So to answer your question: they think it makes them look cool.
Sheera picking up all the right hints and making solid deductions only to be told she wrong is my favourite 'Let her cook' vibe 👏👏👏
when she's poven right she better gloat!! lol
😂
Rio’s body contorted like Wanda in multiverse of madness.
The spell translates to we summon green sister above below within without
In the comics it’s stated that Wiccan and speed were born from two different families but were still siblings cause of Wanda’s power (and or Mephistopho fuckery lol)
@@AdrianGarcia-uk1ph so maybe they do it that way and speed is introduced in another show?
@@Kidapollo92 exactly what I think
@@Kidapollo92I heard speed is ashtray from euphoria
@@stancinatti8198Not Speed, Vin Vision, he’s basically the Tommy equivalent for White Vision’s family. It’s possible he could also play Speed, but idk if they’re gonna keep the twins identical like in the comics, bc that’s how they found out they were Wanda’s kids.
Y’all gotta let Sheera cook lol. There’s actually been spoilers about Aubrey Plaza’s character and what Sheera’s saying might make sense. We’ll have to wait and see in the finale tho.
Rio skips down the path like Dorothy in the wizard of oz.
She is the only one not affected by the curse during the trial. Even teen is thrown through the glass.
I actually think Rio is the one who throws Teen shes the only witch shown using wind magic
do you think she saves him? or do you think she saves them from him? for some reason i feel like teen is hiding something @uselesshuman7644
@@uselesshuman7644 yeah and he didn’t burn
@@muginfires them from
Him. These has got to be a twist
@@uselesshuman7644 I don’t think so but somone is watching them (the eyes in the mask) maybe they thru teen. Or maybe we are looking to much into it and it was just the demon being crazy lol
I agree with Sheera's theories. You are on point, girl! That's the same direction I am leaning in too, like reincarnation of Nicholas in Wanda's son. I also think that Rio might have been the one who may have "killed" Nicholas. I don't think Agatha just straight up traded her son because it is very clear she loved him. Rio could have meant that's not her in the since that isn't him in physical form or he's not hers because Rio said she's there to take bodies, which means all of bodies belong to her. It's like her trying to keep Agatha from suffering the pain she already felt with whatever happen with Nicholas, which we now know Rio was a part of.
Wanda would make sure her sons are safe in any way possible and this would be the only way Agatha wouldn't hurt the kid.
I think when the time came for Agatha to trade her son, Rio was the one who had to get him. I also think Rio is either Death or she works for Death.
She's LADY DEATH THANOS LOVER BUT SHE'S AGATHA LADY IN THIS UNIVERSE
The campfire scene in the end is honestly what made me go from liking to LOVING this show. Character building moments like that are the reason why I love Marvel and the MCU in the first place.
@@thedarkknight2221 As much as I'm not a fan of this episode, even I'll admit the campfire hangout scene was a highlight for me.
23:10 They did have souls, that’s exactly how it went down in the comics. She created them in a “false”/alternate reality, discovered what she did and had to destroy it all. But their souls were so powerful they reincarnated back in time which is why present-day they’re teenagers who have lived full teenage lives with no memory of their past life. In the comics, Billy and Tommy see each other during some kind of mission or conflict (and since they’re identical) they realize they’re twins and go to the Avengers for help. I believe it’s Captain America (Steve) specifically that has the idea that they’d be the kids of Wanda, so then they’re sent on a quest to rediscover Wanda after she’s been presumed dead by taking her own life by Doctor Strange (which is exactly what went down in Multiverse of Madness). This comic is called “Young Avengers: Children’s Crusade.” They found out Wanda’s been brainwashed again by Doctor Doom after she lost all her memories, and now he’s trying to take her as his wife and steal her powers. Hopefully this is the story they’re running with for the MCU’s introduction of Doctor Doom (even though I despise that casting…).
Casting for who?
Doctor Doom. They cast RDJ as Doom. I hate it too.
@@buddy2369 RDJ as Doom. Inaccurate AND derivative.
So Agatha and the green witch was being freeky back on the day 😂
Seriously? It wasn't obvious? 🤓
This show is unreasonably good for a WandaVision spinoff.
@@No_one.._438 WandaVision is the best main line MCU tv show to date. It only makes sense that a direct spinoff would share some of that quality
@@krqstairExactly
Finally a normal comment
@krqstair its honestly between WandaVision and Loki
This show is ass
Alice got her Advil from Rio's appearance (Vidal anagram for Advil), passing her trial/ending the curse and all, but Rio stressing everyone else tf out while just lurking in the bg (not affected by anything...).
that's so clever, the Advil part was something i picked up on first watch
For sheera to not know the lore at 21:45 she cooking cause Aubrey plaza is death from the comic books, I’m sure Agatha made the trade for the book right and rio was the one that had to take her son even though she didn’t want to but she had to cause she was death so that’s how she knows for sure that’s not Agatha son
The ballad version is really good, it can't get out of my head
Liliana is a divination witch so she sees things from other times. Her outbursts aren't hers, its when she's 'seeing' something. That's why she worked as a psychic. In the first episode she blurted out "Get off me!!" in this episode, I think that's what she said when the demon landed on her shoulders.
I don't think she is seeing words or phrases that she herself will be saying. The "get off me" line was said by Ms. Hart last episode was when she wandered off, and the tree branch was in her way. And she about three swords that made up Jennifer's healing spell.
I've been following your channel for a while, keep it up!
Sheera had me dying with that "Sinister Scissors"
Regarding the divination witch, I think she honestly trouble telling if she's in the future or present. Her outbursts are probably her reacting to future interactions as though she was already there.
YES! Here she says "Alice don't" which in another later episode is the prefix to "Try to save Agatha". You are correct, she was reacting to a future event of Alice trying to save Agatha by blasting her with her powers and Lilia was advising her not to but her advise split into two timelines.
It was never stated as fact that Agatha traded her kid. Everyone that's said that basically stated atleast that's what people say and Agatha isn't the type of person that will fight against those rumors.
Can't believe how much i've been enjoying Agatha but also makes so funny the outrage of people even before the series premiere, like, some people were really mad and even more mad at you guys, for starting to react to this series.
I think people forget one piece of the puzzle when it comes to Teen, he was in a horrible car accident that made the newspaper when he was 13, which he mentioned slightly last episode. Thats 3 years ago show-wise which would put him around the time when Wanda was doing her shenanigans in Westview (he's from Eastview which i'm assuming wouldn't be to far from Westview) Maybe during that car accident he died or got close to it and a piece of either Billy's or Nicholas's (or both) got into him during that time since its said that when you're that close to death the window between is blurred. And considering the blast radius of Wanda's magic and the fact that she wasn't in full control of how far she reaches she could inadvertently put a piece into teen since some part of her power comes from the soul stone. Which would also explain Teen's love for magic but not being able to have power yet.
You... I like you! Thank you for this awesome speculation!
I'm in a similar place as Sheera. I also think there's a non zero chance that Agatha didn't outright trade her son for the book. It was either an unexpected cost or maybe something bad happened to him, like he got sick or hurt. Rio had to come and claim him "bc it was her job" bc she's like a reaper or something that claims the dead. So she sought the book like Wanda to gain power to get her son back maybe? I also think there's some wiggle room in what Rio said, when she's like " that boy isn't yours" - it could literally mean that's not your son or it could mean he died/you traded him so he doesn't belong to you anymore... no idea where it's really headed and I love that.
Also, Lilia has been having premonitions every episode since we first met her. When she screamed in the kitchen, "get off me" at the circle, "i love you guys" and "we have to save agatha" last episode, "am I kooky or am I whispy" and "Alice, don't" and "you know, in the beginning we sort of hated each other" from this ep (I think that's all, but this is from memory so I may have forgotten some. Anyway. I'm like.... mildly sure we saw the first one come true here.
When we first met her and she screamed in the kitchen she also held her hands up around her head (I watch a lot of reactions) - I think that might have been calling forward to when the Teen plays the record and starts this trial and they are all screaming and covering their ears. Bc immediately after she says "we've been cursed" or something. I think she knew immediately bc she's seen that moment in her premonition 2 eps ago.
Yeah it's a motif that comes back often, people make deals with demons or the devil and the cost is greater than what was agreed on. I doubt that Agatha willingly traded her son. Maybe she tried to have her cake and eat it too then it backfired.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g that does sound like a very Agatha thing to try to get away with
Thank u Lupa for catchin that "Black bass player" shit lol. Age old stereotype
Is it?? I feel like black women are always drummers if anything
Agatha is something man 💀🙏🏾
Lilia, Patti Lupone's character doesn't have a mental illness; she's a divinations witch...she's having like divination turrets; now and then a sudden jerk of premonition...
Yeah. She doesn't have full control of her visions. It comes randomly and then took over her for a second. Probably why she herself doesn't realize what she's saying.
Rio says 'that boy isnt yours' so he could still be agathas son, but he belongs to whoever she made the trade with ( mephisto?!)
4:55 the way they were shook 😅😅
People forget that the older lady is a medium so ghost are constantly talking through her
it’s so unfortunate ppl forget that
This got me thinking... Who's ghost is the one who said "I love you guys" in episode 3. That's not something Lilia herself would've said.
Edit: Wait... I thought for a second it was Sharon but she's still alive then. I thought so because the way Lilia said it is similar to how Sharon's way of talking.
@@ushijimawakatoshi1429 i don’t even think when she has her “moments” it’s always a ghost talking i think she just says future moments and doesn’t realize it too
Or she could be predicting the future since she's clairvoyant
@@ushijimawakatoshi1429 I like the thought they put into that probably went over soo many heads
Roshi gone have a crazy look on his face when he finds out Sheera wrote the script 😂😂
I feel like he will be Wiccan, but his mother will be Agatha, like in the comics he was another woman's son, but with Wanda's son soul, could be something similar here
Rio came in like Maury when she said teen isn’t her son
“Agatha, you… are NOT the witch” 😂
What if its literally Agatha all Along?
Meaning she cursed Alice's family back in the day and also somehow responsible for Lilia and jen's problems?
Honestly it's possible and they might be saving it for the finale, that could be the real test to get to the finish line. Agatha is on her redemption arc, but those who she wronged might not forgive her.
My own personal theory is that teen is Agathas son and the green witch saying "that boy's not yours" doesn't mean not her son, it means he belongs to someone else now, like maybe mephisto or someone like that
It seems Lilia’s words are mixed up from her seeing past and future. She was finishing her sentence from the previous episode from when she said “ I love you guys”
Rio’s clothes and knives reflect the tarot card of death. A black heart and curved knife. She says the boy is not Agatha’s. So whose boy is he? If he were Wiccan where is his brother? Unless they were gonna intro speed in another show or movie. Maybe he is Nicolas scratch kid or he himself is Mephistos kid.
Or maybe she say that he is her son, but he no longer belong to her.
It’s been confirmed she is lady death
Honnestly i wounldn't take Speed in consideration lol literally no one cares about the character he's infinitely less popular than Wiccan so they'll just introduce him whenever later
@@stancinatti8198 but if that’s true and I agree there is death on other planets galaxies and universes so how would that work?
@@tunderdiamant8651 I guess you’re right.
23:00 lmaooo the way roshi shot that down when sheera was like half right.
Her name was Sharon Davis
This show is becoming a favorite even though I had zero expectations of it
it's a good show that gets people coming up with all kinds of questions and theories. as long as those questions get answered (mostly) and the final resolution is satisfying (or nearly so).
I’m glad Agatha has grown a real strong attachment bond with Teen to the point where she actually shows her true emotions that she’s hiding in the inside trying to claw it’s way out to the surface, whether or not it’s her son or not he seems to be bringing out the good inside of her 🥺
The way sheera was right at the end and roshi just yapping😂😂
You guys gotta watch “From” y’all missing out!!
I started it after seeing this comment yesterday and i am now on season 2. I am locked in.
Called that man Kelso lol
In the comics, Agatha's child is the villain of Fantastic 4 and Agatha, the creator of Salem Seven (the people in robes in episode 2) was created by Agatha's child in the comics.l
I can’t wait for yalls reaction to episode 5. The show is JUST getting started 🤧
25:32 😂😂😂😂😂😂 best shrug ever
@@Glaceonmon 😂 but the fact that she is right make it funnier
I like to see the theories they come up with. Cause I know stuff due to easter eggs and comics, so It's cool to hear them think about what will happen next
Rio says collect her body’s. Before the said she had a black heart and I was thinking they may have gender swapped Mephisto son black heart. But maybe she is death. I would think that a cosmic entity like this would be introduced in the movies kinda like eternity in Thor 4. Because she feels very solid with earth 🌏 and I would think a cosmic force would be on other planets and universe as well. I would think she would be so close to humans.
Yeah omg i think so too. Every sign leads to Rio being lady/mistress death or something.
Thats why in episode 1 I couldn't figure out why Agatha said if she takes Rio's power then she'll die!! 😱
AND Rio said she 'had to do her job'. So she literally had to take her son's soul. After Agatha sacraficed him
@@daniellaaa24 but my thing is there is death on other planets galaxies and universes. So how does that work
@@Kidapollo92 the way the marvel universe has multiple afterlife’s and gods, is the same way there are probably other entities that represent death. Or who are ‘deaths helpers’.
@@daniellaaa24 oooh so she got servants out here? She got a workshop operating like Santa? Or she is the earth’s representative for death
@@Kidapollo92 ahh lmao I have no idea. Your theory is goodd tho
Lilia has premonition abilities can tell what's going to happen and what already did happen her mind goes out into the future which is why she says things out of the blue because of future events. She did it in episodes previously.
I don't think Jen is getting her magic back like you guys said
When Lilian said "look at what you did" i think she meant something like "see? Even without your magic you still got it"
The bound probably got her ability to make magic using energy, but let her keep her ability to cast spells
Just like Agatha said "they can take your power, but not your knowledge" and like teen said "there's always analog magic, witchcraft, enfasis in the craft"
In the end, even without her magic, Agatha was still able to use the spell book to summon Rio, and Teen was able to break Wanda's spell even though he said himself that he's missing power
So all of that proves that even without power you can still do magic by using incantations and some materials from Earth, which I'm actually glad with 'cause it makes the MCU magic system more interesting
Genuinely surprised Im fw this as much as I am.
Agatha & Rio was bumpin pocket books on the road!
15:44 same reaction like WTF BRO 😭
She's a diviner. She's divining. Randomly seeing other places and times.
Sheeea is like right on the cusp.of figuring it out .. on the cusp!
25:15 also Rio looked pissed he was there and then pissed that he lived. Also it was her magic that threw him through the glass. Ppl missing that one big time.
Lilia is a Divination witch she has a connection to the spirits or "will of the universe" which allows her to get future or past insight or events.
Best MCU show so far. I hope Rio and Agatha make up. ;w;
sheera is cooking with that theory
She ment "Alice dont, Try to save agatha! The seccond part was in episode 3
when she said try to save agatha
Lilias expertise is divination, divination witches in real life can sometimes blurt out random things that might not make sense in the moment
Lilia doesn't have mental issues - she's a clairvoyant! Typical skill set: seeing past, present, and future; communing with the spirit realm. Everything she says means something, but it's out of context. We've already seen some of her outbursts catch up - she said "get off me" out of nowhere, which is what Mrs Davis said later when she wandered off the road.
As for the Agatha-Rio-Nick intrigue, my theory - Agatha's deal for the Darkhold was Faustian, she didn't know it was going to cost her child. Rio is likely to be the one who actually took Nicholas - pretty sure she's Lady Death, hence wanting bodies, and it might have been her 'job' to complete the transaction, so to say. Hence Agatha's hatred for someone who had obviously meant a lot to her earlier. I'm still intrigued as to why Rio is so desperate to kill Agatha, but I figure that will come in time 🙂 As for what Rio said at the end - I think it was the truth. And I don't think it was to hurt Agatha - I actually think Rio was trying to be kind by bursting her bubble now rather than letting her live in false hope. We'll see though
In Episode 2, Lilia said "Get off me!" in one of her kooky moments. Then in this episode while the curse was on her, she was saying "Get it off me." over and over.
Then in Episode 3, while they were in the living room drinking, Lilia said, "I love you guys." And in this episode in the campfire scene, she was talking and she drifts away with Jen asking "But now?" and she can't follow the conversation. The "I love you, guys" from Episode 3 must be what Lilia was about to say.
Perhaps, her consciousness drifts from one period of her life to another and that's when she blurts out stuff.
Now this leaves the following words that has yet to be connected to any events:
"Try to protect Agatha." - She said to Agatha in the bathroom of Episode 3.
"Am I Kooky or Bitchy? Which one is it?" - She said to Alice during this Episode 4.
"Alice. Alice, Don't." - She said to Alice during this Episode 4.
She also said "High Priestess" during Episode when talking to Jen, which symbolizes intuition and sacred knowledge.
She also said "Three of Pentacles" during Episode 2 when Agatha was trying to recruit her which meant pooling experiences together - probably talking about how they join forces to get into the Witches' Road and to succeed with the trials so far.
Then this episode, she said "Three of Swords" which means betrayal, rejection hurt and discouragement. I am not sure if it was referring to the betrayal that happened between Agatha and Rio in the past? Or hurt because Teen was hurt in that moment? Or the rejection and discouragement Agatha felt when Rio said Teen is not her son? Or maybe it is talking betrayal that is yet to come?
I live for Roshi and Lupa getting caught by a jump scare lmao
Agatha's redemption would be protecting Teen regardless of who his mother is, even if he's Wanda's. I think Rio knows where Agatha's son is and probably has interacted with him. Her next adventure might be getting him back if he's really with Mephisto. Rio could also fix what she did by reuniting them. The son was taken, we don't know if he's actually dead. I do agree that the soul and body might be mismatched one could belong to Wanda's son and the other Agatha's.
This series never ceases to amaze, in the face of so many bad series, this is one of Marvel's best, but Marvel fans are not prepared for this conversation.💜🤣
miss ma'am asked 'what if you can't sing and you're on the witches road' or something like that. the road tailors itself to the specific coven walking it. it knows everything about you, even the things you don't yet know about yourself. the specialties are the same [fire, water, earth, air] but how the road specifically tests you depends entirely on you.
I see a lot of good theories, but another one I’ve been thinking about is that Rio could be Morgana Le Fay, who is also known as the green witch in the comics.
I’m seeing a lot of wizard of so references..My familiar Toto and now the green witch😂😂
23:00😂 y'all were literally describing why Teen would actually be Wanda's son
I wish YaBoyRoshi can react to Gate and Guyver Bio Booster Armor.
14:45 don't know why laughed so hard 🤣🤣🤣
Something you have to remember about the old lady who keeps spacing out is that she is a necromancer. She was posing as a psychic in episode 2 who talk to the dead but she actually can talk to dead people and they can take over her body. So when she goes off on a random tangent, it's actually a dead person possessing her
Aubrey Plaza “green witch” came out of the ground like Wanda from Doctor Strange MoM. Also a green witch also known as a black heart seem there is more to her 🧐
I think “teen” is a combination of three characters from the comics. They’re Billy maximoff, Nickolas scratch and black heart. Black heart is the demon son of Mephisto. My working theory is that; when her son died, his soul was collected by mephisto and had his already existing powers/soul amplified and corrupted. Wanda unknowingly summoned his soul but split it in two. (Billy and Tommy). I’m also assuming Agatha’s natural magic color is blue (pre darkhold) and Billy’s powers were also blue in wandavision.
That wouldn't make sense .. far too complicated to make sense within the MCU mate.
@@intothefrayyo I think it does make sense, honestly. I think it makes sense that he is all three of those characters or combining them into one character. Why else would you hide his identity and label him “teen” then?
Ok my theory about t5een is that maybe he is Agatha's kid, and when she traded him for darkhold, Rio was the one who traded him with her and she gave him to Mephisto ( Jen mentioned that maybe her kid became agent of Mephisto) and the sigil that appears on Teen looks like an 'M'. and Rio says in this ep "That's not your kid"...Not anymore" he is now mephistos agent.
That would be stupid. So with this show, you're probably right.
Guys she is Divination witch, she is likely getting memories from future that is why she is speaking weird sometimes. It didn't start this episode, last episode she said stuff like "we need to save Agatha" and other stuff
I think that since Teen has the power to undo Wanda's spell, Teen must be the physical manifestation of Agatha's power, in the form of her son. Then, in the comics, Wanda's children actually borrowed souls from Mephisto, so the body could be Agatha's son and the soul could be Wiccan or Billy. It could be reverse, but I see this as a way for Wanda and Agatha to connect and "coparent" in a way, since in the comics they had a frenemy type relationship.
Agatha is probably so distraught right here because if Billy dies, they all die, cause they're literally 10 ft under right now, pre-buried!
The next episode will be Agatha's challenge, I'm really looking forward
That was the funniest thing I never caught when he said "oh you put her on bass cuz she's black??" Lol I wish you edited in the part where Cartman was telling Tolken to do bass cuz he's black lol would've been way too funny. Great reference and I think he's absolutely right lol
Fair advice: Should take note on all of the slips Lilia had said throughout the show. Cause all those are her premonitions or something she could've said in that certain time in the future.
Like in this episode she said "Alice, Dont!".
Love the song
Lol. Shera is cooking with fire.
19:47 literally all of us watching 😂🥲😭
really good episode
"that boy isn't YOURS" i think teen is her son bc she traded him for the book so he doesn't belong to her anymore but to someone else (mephisto??)
19:47 no fr😂😂😂 I screamed
I’m with Sheera too. We don’t know the fully story about Agatha’s son and the Darkhold. She’s onto something. 👌
Sheera is almost at the finish line, while Roshi is 8 miles behind and telling her which way to go. Sheera already at the restaurant while Roshi is still driving and trying tell her directions on how to get there. Gotta be my favorite part of these Reactions when Roshi is goin on and on and way off. Never change y'all! Your theory crafting is legitimately fun and I love when y'all take such a deep interest and get passionate about a show.
Also, useful note, the reason the Divination Witch keeps saying random stuff is because she is getting hit by future visions and saying things that are happening at the Future Moment. So after the show ends, it'll be fun to go back and see how her Visions lined up with everything else.
why does everyone get so confused when lilia has her “moments” i don’t understand the confusion at all lol
she’s literally the divination witch
I saw a theory saying that Rio is an agent of Mephisto and was sent on a mission to take Agatha's child(by Mephisto obvi) and succeeded, causing a falling out between the 2, making them to separate. Later Agatha went down the witches road to reclaim her child but instead was given the darkhold.
Sheera is closer than she thinks. In the comics (messy as it is), Wiccan is the soul of Billy Maximoff (Wanda's son) reincarnated into the body of another kid. (happened to his brother too. different families). Technically both of Wanda's kids were conjured into existence using shards of Mephisto, but we're not gonna get into that.
I could see this show doing weird soul-swap shenanigans to try and clean up Wiccan's history. Nicolas Scratch (Agatha's son) could potentially be a part of that. But what I think is more likely is that Agatha just ends up bonding with teen because he reminds her of what could have been, and it becomes a found family story where she is kind of a surrogate mother figure.
Lillia finished her sentence "We hated each other in the beginning but now" she said "I love you guys" in episode 3 which is why the sentence cut off.