@@Alcinaswifefrfr I felt relieved even though the scene was sad. I was starting to get worried that Marvel would ruin this story and cast him as Nicolas instead of Billy.
I'm absolutely obsessed with the chemistry between Aubrey Plaza and Kathryn Hahn and i absolutely 100% need to see more of them together. Wow their scenes were amazing.
So now we can guess Lilliana’s powers include communicating through her past self. Last episode she said “I love you guys” out of no where and now this episode she was about to say it before going silent.
Oh I thought it was her being an actual medium, and maybe that's what they want us to think, timey wimey stuff is much cooler. Now I need to check what else she said!
I can totally see why Agatha thought Teen was her son. He appeared at the same time as the person who took him, he's magical, and he was inexplicably drawn to her. All of that, and the identity sigil almost feels like the universe playing a cruel, elaborate prank on her.
Her son is probably one of the hooded figures in the second episode. They are supposed to be the Salem 7 who are all descendants of Agatha and they are led by Nicholas Scratch who is Agatha's son
@@GrandiaKnight it doesn't work like that in the MCU. In the movies, the Salem 7 are descendants of the witches Agatha killed in her flashback in WandaVision
Maybe it was just me but I even think Teen himself might be wondering if he’s her son, especially after what Jen said. Otherwise why question if Agatha was the one who put the sigil on him? But if him endearing himself to Agatha is all just part of a manipulation to get her help, my heart will be broken.
This was easily my favorite ep so far, and this is already in my top five marvel *things* ever and we’re only halfway done. This cast is absolute fire. Legit got emotional multiple times in this episode.
The curse reminds me of a demon from a chinese horror novel, the demon will stand on your shoulders for a long time, feeding from your misery and misfortune until you pass away. The fact that it's a generational curse meant the demon would jump from mother to daughter. Alice has had the demon her whole life since she thought the burn scars were birthmarks.
I’ve seen a movie like that, but I think it was Japanese, probably based on that novel you mentioned. Sadly I can’t remember the name of the movie but I remember how the protagonist noticed the demon, I won’t spoil it though
The 3 of swords in traditional tarot means pain and heartbreak. It is one of the most painful cards in the entire deck. Lilia is clairvoyant, so she is releasing small symbolic clues of what is coming through channeling. Regarding Rio, something tells me that she is death. The work she must have done that hurt Agatha possibly has to do with her son. Perhaps, around the time Agatha made the exchange for the Darkhold, Rio came to claim her son.
Rio say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she IS Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job." & Eric Voss will be sobbing cuz Teen is now revealed to not be Nicholas Scratch.
Yup with Death. She said in the booth that she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. She is Death. Death is a character in marvel. Thanos and Deadpool simp for her in comics xd + in first ep Agatha said absorbing Rios powers could kill her. Rio is Death
Joe Locke's first acting gig was for the Netflix coming of age LGBTQ series called Heartstopper in 2022. You mentioned how the Agatha cast became friends during filming. This show was shot in Atlanta over Jan-May 2023. After filming Agatha, Joe got the role of Tobias Ragg in the Broadway revival of Sweeny Todd from Jan-May 2024. Near the end of the run, he was so nervous because he saw Patti Lupone was in the audience to watch his performance.
Rio say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she IS Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job." & Eric Voss will be sobbing cuz Teen is now revealed to not be Nicholas Scratch.
@@Jumpoable She literally said she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. She is Death. Death is a character in marvel. Thanos and Deadpool simp for her in comics xd
I'm vibing with this cozy, spooky, funny show. They all look like they had so much fun filming this. RIP Sharon - I think she may have died because they never added her hair to the potion in the bougie beach house.
She played a mutant personality in the show Legion. Which wasn’t exactly a “witch” role. But she did play a character with abilities most humans do not possess.
That line from rio “the boy’s not yours” could further solidify the truth that its billy and agatha being protective of him might just be her reconciling with the fact that she was a bad mom to her own son. And she feels that motherly instinct to protect billy the same way she couldn’t protect her own son and she probably regrets what she did
Great Episode!!!! I am really enjoying this show!! Favorite scene is the group singing together; utilizing song as a spell to break the curse. I also loved how they worked together; even without “power” to use their innate knowledge and experience to help the Teen to heal!
My new head canon: Rio is THE green witch (the human form of the Life/Death cycle) Agatha did something (or more likely DIDN'T do something) while questing for power that resulted in the death of her son Rio had to "take" his soul (it's her JOB) she can't "bring him back, but she can "fiddle the reincarnation paperwork" When Wanda created her children, Rio guided souls into them (Nicholas' soul went into Billy) Neither twin has (or had) any real memories of their former selves, just... deja vu feelings When the hex ended, more "paperwork" melded their souls into their current forms
I'm freaking loving the show, it keeps getting better and better! And your comments make it better too! I love when Hector explains the lore and connections to the comics, since I'm not familiar with those, big big thank you. Also, regarding Wanda, I really just want her to have a happy ending. She's been through so much already. She grew up in a war zone, lost her parents, lost her brother, had to kill the love of her life, lost her children, lost her lover again, lost herself (when she realizes she is a "monster" in MoM), and even when she tries to do good, the people and the news portrait her as bad (as seen in Civil War). She deserves a break!
In Wicca, we put a "k" at the end of magic to differentiate between human magic and witches' magick. Basically, "magic"=rabbit from hat and "magick"=practitioner of the Old Religion.
Marvel Comics context for "The Daughters of Liberty": Agatha led a covert (secret) group of various magic users/supernatural beings of different strengths, (Alchemists, Sorcerors, Witches, Werewolves, Vampires, Rio by her Comics name, etc.) in leveraging the magical world against the British magic users during the Revolutionary War.
I'm starting to think Rio isn't a witch. She didn't emerge from the spot they were summoning a Green Witch (could someone still pop out of that spot and catch up?) She's the only supposed coven member who isn't cursed during the trial. And she makes a cryptic comment about coming *up* to the road rather than going down. I'm not saying it's 🎶 Mephisto All Along 🎶 but...maybe? 😬
@adriankerrison I thought the exact same thing when she came out of the ground. She mentioned having a black heart, and it's not like Marvel hasn't gender and raced swapped characters before.
My take is that it wasn't actually Jen who healed Teen, but Rio. Agatha literally begged Rio to not take him ("don't") and I believe Rio listened because it was her (as Lady Death) who had to take her son away from her way back when, as debt for the power Agatha craved. That's why she hates Rio and was so heartbroken during her hallucination. I also don't believe Rio was telling the truth when she told her Teen is not her son. I'm still thinking Teen is a "mutant" soul of both Nicholas and Billy and was the one who died in the accident that's mentioned in the credits and first episode. That would be a perfect way to set him up for future MCU projects and also wrap Wanda's/Agatha's storyline up. Me thinks Agatha is going to sacrifice herself to save him at the end 🙈
@@henryayalavillamar2034 on 1000 percent. But people who haven’t read the leaks shouldn’t be spoiled yk? Like it’s confirmed who Rio is but not officially confirmed in the show so it’s a spoiler atm
@@henryayalavillamar2034 ohhhh ofc ofc! It’s fun watching the show while knowing who she is. Makes her really scary she isn’t some delusional or funny witch. She’s a primordial being.
In episode 2 before they conjured the road, when asked who's going high... Lilia blurts out "Get off me" in episode 4 when the curse is burning her, she yells "Get off me"...
I totally agree with Agustin there, I get chills watching Wanda’s scene in Endgame knowing she almost tore Thanos apart right then and there. And that’s before she even got the Darkhold!
When they entered the house they became like 70's famous singers/personalities. Agatha- Cher, Patty LuPone- Lisa Minnelli, Joe Locke-David Cassidy, Sasheer Zamata- Donna Summers and Ali Ahn - Yoko Ono. I couldn't identify who Aubrey Plaza was impersonating, thought.
@@arielcordero I thought Rio and Agatha were like dueling Chers' and Teen was like Sonny Bono lol cuz if she is who I think she is coupled with the story Rio told about her "job" it makes sense
I loved and enjoyed this episode so much! The whole 70s vibe and the interactions were awesome. The "tension" between Agatha and Rio 🔥 And Aubrey Plaza this episode 😲 Fully agree with Hector! "Sad is better than angry" got me in the feels too!
"You guys don't have extra nipples? I'm covered in nipples; want to see?" Okay, sure, Aubrey Plaza is typecast with lines like that, but... I'm here for the quirkiness 😂
Actually while they were talking at the campfire and Lilia paused, she finished that sentence in episode 3 while their faces were swollen. "At first we hated each other but now... I love you guys" I'm quite curious about the time distance of her visions because in episode 2 she screamed (teen when he got jump scared by the salem seven) and shouted "GET OFF ME!!" which was Sharon in episode 3. Now there's some things that haven't been answered yet. 1) "Try to save Agatha" 1.5) Perhaps "They're all dead" which she said in italian 2) "Which is it? Am I blah or blah" (I cannot type that for the life of me lmao) 3) "Alice... Don't."
Agatha took Rio to the end of the road. Rio is likely Gaea. The daughter of Mephisto the OG green witch. And yes, that boy is Billy Kaplan and his boyfriend is Hulkling.
The leading theory right now is that Rio is Death-Something happened to Nicholas and Rio couldn’t bend the rules for Agatha to save him. It’s also kind of tragically amusing and romantic to imagine that like….Agatha has killed so many people that Death fell in love with her through their meetings. And their relationship is SO freaking well done, like they love and want each other so much and are in so much pain because of it. Kathryn Hahn is coming for that Emmy. Also I’m afraid Alice is going to die. I think Lilia’s premonition telling her not to do something was about next week’s episode when Agatha gets possessed-Lilia will try to stop Alice from blasting her with magic because Agatha will just absorb it, and Alice is gonna do it anyway.
Has anyone else noticed how the trials depict the methods by which witches were executed? In the first trial, the water was for execution by drowning. In this trial, there was fire for execution by burning. I have a theory that in the air trial the imminent danger will be being hanged just like on the gallows, and the earth trial the danger will be stones because of stoning, which was another method of executing witches.
When I heard them say, “That’s not your son,” I immediately thought about how identical Agatha/Hahn looks almost exactly like Cynthia Von Doom, who was also a very powerful witch. They are notorious for changing origins to fit their narrative.
there was one scene with Lilia that I felt like her sudden outbursts were from the future. Then when it happens in the future she's just silent because she had verbally said it in the past. I think she meant to say 'i love you guys' which she already said in a previous episode
I've edit analog audio tape before! Like the 1" reel-to-reel. But I didn't use scissors, I used a razor blade cut it and splicing tape to put it back together. It was a fun project!
i find it quite interesting that they've turned the comic storyline of agatha mentoring wanda to agatha mentoring wiccan. this series is gonna create a special bond between the two which i hope results in agatha helping out in bringing wanda back eventually
There was major reveals in this episode. We know that teen is most likely Billy Kaplan. But also there was another reference that caught me by surprise. Agatha says to Rio that Wanda Maximoff is dead. However, Rio assures Agatha that "I've not collected her". I sat there thinking, wait what did she just say? That would mean it confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is not dead within the MCU.
@@Madame702 well, we know either way that Wanda is A) not dead and just teleported away with erased memories B) died, but will be somehow ressurected, perhaps in this show. They know at marvel that we still love Wanda's character + when mutants come around we would like House of M adaptation.
What if the line "that boy isn't yours" means something else. Like, the boy is Agatha's son, but since she gave him up when he was a baby, he belongs to the one that Agatha traded the book for. Hence the boy is not hers anymore.
Here me out, Agatha already has been Franklin's babysitter. The Teen IS Franklin Richards. The reason the FF movie is set in the 60s is because it's BEFORE Franklin was born. This whole adventure started when the Teen showed up and it has been HIS ideas every time. This show sets up the FF movie, in a big final reveal, and the FF is now connected to Avengers in a way that is both insulated, but also steeped in legitimacy. Why have we not seen the FF, because the Teen wrote them out of history and he's on the road to try to find a way to bring them back.
If you wanna know who it is I can tell you. But you have to reply and say yes then I’ll say it where you have to scroll down to see because I don’t wanna spoil for anyone
@oliviafrancis-g7y i know that people were theorizing she's Lady Death but I didn't know her identity was confirmed. I'm just saying she's blackheart based off of the black heart reference in episode 2. I don't think they're going to have Mephisto in the series, so it just makes sense to have his son (or daughter) appear instead.
@@thehuntsman8341 makes sense, they seem to be trying to lead us away from their real identity. Like they made teen seem like Agatha’s son and rio seem like blackheart
Yup. She say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she is Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job."
During the main setpiece song Rio very much had a vibe of "if I don't play Rock Band with you guys I'll never see you so I'm just here to play drums on Easy mode'.
😅😂🎉 how is it even possible that not only is Aubrey Plaza in this show but the sure fact that, and this would make me laugh so hard, when they proposed this character for her, they said hey Aubrey for the role of the green witch, you just be you.
Rio saying "I'll get my bodies", Agatha saying to her "no" when Teen is dying and her dressing sort of a mexican woman (maybe), Rio is Death I'm here for it
I would love to see Wanda come back similarly to how she did in the recent solo series comic. In that comic series she's on her own trying to put back together a life, while dealing with the aftereffects of her actions over the years. She then focuses in on what she is, and is good at, magic, and goes from there on her own. That would be cool to see adapted!
Aubrey Plaza (Rio) is 100% Death. -She gets all their bodies, after "Agatha kills all the witches". -She is somehow connected to the "death" of Agathas son. -Agatha says if she absorbs Rios power, she "dies" - Rio climbs out of Mrs. Harts dead body. - Rio says she is The Green Witch, Green as in the Earth, both life and decay. - Rio had a relationship with Agatha because, Agatha couldnt die due to being shrouded by the Darkhold.
You mentioned Patti LuPone said some of her stuff would make more sense after the show is done and we understand the whole picture. Works for me. Wandavision was the same way.
Guys, there was a "blink and you missed it reference". Agatha says to Rio that Wanda is dead and Rio's says "no I have not collected her". That is a confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is alive in the MCU.
Aubrey Plaza is Death. You watch. “You get your powers and I’ll get my bodies” also she isn’t worried at all that the road will throw stuff her way because she isn’t a Witch and know she’s going to be fine and can’t die because she’s…well death lol. I put all my money on that 💯
Did you caught the reference in the show? Agatha tells Rio that Wanda Maximoff is dead. However, Rio tells Agatha that "I've not collected her". Wow, I sat there said did the show just confirm that the "Scarlet Witch" is not dead within the MCU?
Though not a Witch character, Aubry Plaza's unhinged role in the Fox Marvel series Legion is very much worth checking out. She absolutely crushes it in that show, amongst a stacked cast.
After this episode I really think Rio is Lady Death. Since it's pretty clear that Agatha never walked the road before, I think her son just died from a disease and Rio "claimed" him, which caused the rift between them. Agatha then used the dark hold to somehow bring him back but it didn't work and she got corrupted.
There was a "blink and you missed it reference". Agatha says to Rio that Wanda is dead and Rio's says "no I have not collected her". That is a confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is alive in the MCU.
@@Madame702 + another one pointing to Rio being Death. And I missed the one you mentioned. Good catch. She said in the booth that she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. + in first ep Agatha said absorbing Rios powers could kill her.
I Think Billy is playing Agatha, and he already knows bigger magic than he is leading on. Agatha mentioned that he had to have some big power because removed the spell from the Scarlet Witch. Billy had his mom's powers, and even when Agatha had her thoughts blocked, and Wanda could never get to her mind...Billy could. The proof.. he told Agatha that she was quiet on the inside, back on Wandavision. He probably is using her grief against her so she'll help him get through the road. I think he wants to get his mom back.
Not sure if you mentioned it at the end, but just wanted to point out that AP played Lenny in Legion, which to me gives off the same death/demon vibes. I was hoping she was actually the same character, but I do love the direction Rio is going.
I just realized what Rio said could be interpreted differently. "He's not yours" could be her talking about possession. Like Agatha selling off her son. Instead of meaning that the teen isnt her biological son.
Rio being Death was so obvious in this ep. So good! Cant wait! Hope Aubrey meets up with Deadpool sometime in the future xD I guess Thanos was about to simp for her in some alternate universe xD
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Alice was lighter because the curse wasn't perched on her anymore.
@@krissmith8851 ohhhhhhhh shit
I didnt get it at first but totally makes sense because it started attacking others right after
This comment didn't age well you better watch ep 5
@@mukundbhumiah5308 Ummm...no, it's still true. Even with what happened in episode 5.
Last scene I went from YESSS to depressed when she said the boy isn't yours😭😭
@@Alcinaswifefrfr I felt relieved even though the scene was sad. I was starting to get worried that Marvel would ruin this story and cast him as Nicolas instead of Billy.
Yeeaaa, I want teen to be Agathas son as well playing as his body for Wiccan. ❤
@gustavoboostel Absolutely 100% agreed. Good lord I'm so relieved
@@gustavoboostel yeah but i was just sad for agatha bc she was clearly hoping💔
ikr? i loved how rio really cares for Agatha and don't want her to get heart even tho she wants to kill her 😂
I'm absolutely obsessed with the chemistry between Aubrey Plaza and Kathryn Hahn and i absolutely 100% need to see more of them together. Wow their scenes were amazing.
So now we can guess Lilliana’s powers include communicating through her past self. Last episode she said “I love you guys” out of no where and now this episode she was about to say it before going silent.
Omg wait you ate that up…
Or she’s unstuck in time.
Oh, snap. If that's right, that's a hell of a cool way to do divination!
Oh I thought it was her being an actual medium, and maybe that's what they want us to think, timey wimey stuff is much cooler.
Now I need to check what else she said!
I can totally see why Agatha thought Teen was her son. He appeared at the same time as the person who took him, he's magical, and he was inexplicably drawn to her. All of that, and the identity sigil almost feels like the universe playing a cruel, elaborate prank on her.
i think that's deliberate, in this episode teen was very dodgy
Her son is probably one of the hooded figures in the second episode. They are supposed to be the Salem 7 who are all descendants of Agatha and they are led by Nicholas Scratch who is Agatha's son
@@GrandiaKnight it doesn't work like that in the MCU. In the movies, the Salem 7 are descendants of the witches Agatha killed in her flashback in WandaVision
Maybe it was just me but I even think Teen himself might be wondering if he’s her son, especially after what Jen said. Otherwise why question if Agatha was the one who put the sigil on him? But if him endearing himself to Agatha is all just part of a manipulation to get her help, my heart will be broken.
@@RoseForEverafter i don't think he would do that. That's not something Billy would do
I love that this comes out right after I’ve finished the episode. It feels like the perfect rewatch with my favorite guys.
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This was easily my favorite ep so far, and this is already in my top five marvel *things* ever and we’re only halfway done. This cast is absolute fire. Legit got emotional multiple times in this episode.
INSANE. This is EVERYTHING I want from a Marvel Television show.
"Sad is better than angry" got me
@@djoscartj that’s absolutely one of the parts that got me going
The curse reminds me of a demon from a chinese horror novel, the demon will stand on your shoulders for a long time, feeding from your misery and misfortune until you pass away.
The fact that it's a generational curse meant the demon would jump from mother to daughter. Alice has had the demon her whole life since she thought the burn scars were birthmarks.
I’ve seen a movie like that, but I think it was Japanese, probably based on that novel you mentioned. Sadly I can’t remember the name of the movie but I remember how the protagonist noticed the demon, I won’t spoil it though
The 3 of swords in traditional tarot means pain and heartbreak. It is one of the most painful cards in the entire deck. Lilia is clairvoyant, so she is releasing small symbolic clues of what is coming through channeling. Regarding Rio, something tells me that she is death. The work she must have done that hurt Agatha possibly has to do with her son. Perhaps, around the time Agatha made the exchange for the Darkhold, Rio came to claim her son.
Rio say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she IS Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job."
& Eric Voss will be sobbing cuz Teen is now revealed to not be Nicholas Scratch.
Yup with Death. She said in the booth that she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. She is Death. Death is a character in marvel. Thanos and Deadpool simp for her in comics xd + in first ep Agatha said absorbing Rios powers could kill her. Rio is Death
Joe Locke's first acting gig was for the Netflix coming of age LGBTQ series called Heartstopper in 2022. You mentioned how the Agatha cast became friends during filming. This show was shot in Atlanta over Jan-May 2023. After filming Agatha, Joe got the role of Tobias Ragg in the Broadway revival of Sweeny Todd from Jan-May 2024. Near the end of the run, he was so nervous because he saw Patti Lupone was in the audience to watch his performance.
Love how absolutely chill Rio was the whole time haha
Rio say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she IS Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job."
& Eric Voss will be sobbing cuz Teen is now revealed to not be Nicholas Scratch.
She also could be Lady Death
@@Jumpoable She literally said she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. She is Death. Death is a character in marvel. Thanos and Deadpool simp for her in comics xd
@@Jumpoable I read it more as her just kinda musing whether the realm of the Witches’ Road technically exists below or above the earthly one.
I'm vibing with this cozy, spooky, funny show. They all look like they had so much fun filming this. RIP Sharon - I think she may have died because they never added her hair to the potion in the bougie beach house.
She played a mutant personality in the show Legion. Which wasn’t exactly a “witch” role. But she did play a character with abilities most humans do not possess.
@@tjphares8475 I would say considering the stuff she did it was witch adjacent.
She was a manifestation of Shadow King
most?
@@tjphares8475 Legion. Another Marvel character. She actually gets to play two Marvel characters.
6:31 I believe it is a painting! Almost all effects were done practically and with sets, painted backdrops and miniatures!
I don't remember seeing Aubrey as a witch before, but her portrayal of The Shadow King was scary and witch adjacent in Legion.
That line from rio “the boy’s not yours” could further solidify the truth that its billy and agatha being protective of him might just be her reconciling with the fact that she was a bad mom to her own son. And she feels that motherly instinct to protect billy the same way she couldn’t protect her own son and she probably regrets what she did
Great Episode!!!! I am really enjoying this show!! Favorite scene is the group singing together; utilizing song as a spell to break the curse. I also loved how they worked together; even without “power” to use their innate knowledge and experience to help the Teen to heal!
The costuming department absolutely needs kudos and a raise not just for this episodes but for all past and future ones too. They are on point!!
My new head canon:
Rio is THE green witch (the human form of the Life/Death cycle)
Agatha did something (or more likely DIDN'T do something) while questing for power that resulted in the death of her son
Rio had to "take" his soul (it's her JOB) she can't "bring him back, but she can "fiddle the reincarnation paperwork"
When Wanda created her children, Rio guided souls into them (Nicholas' soul went into Billy)
Neither twin has (or had) any real memories of their former selves, just... deja vu feelings
When the hex ended, more "paperwork" melded their souls into their current forms
I'm freaking loving the show, it keeps getting better and better! And your comments make it better too! I love when Hector explains the lore and connections to the comics, since I'm not familiar with those, big big thank you.
Also, regarding Wanda, I really just want her to have a happy ending. She's been through so much already. She grew up in a war zone, lost her parents, lost her brother, had to kill the love of her life, lost her children, lost her lover again, lost herself (when she realizes she is a "monster" in MoM), and even when she tries to do good, the people and the news portrait her as bad (as seen in Civil War). She deserves a break!
In Wicca, we put a "k" at the end of magic to differentiate between human magic and witches' magick. Basically, "magic"=rabbit from hat and "magick"=practitioner of the Old Religion.
“Heard you guys were having a party?”
Marvel Comics context for "The Daughters of Liberty": Agatha led a covert (secret) group of various magic users/supernatural beings of different strengths, (Alchemists, Sorcerors, Witches, Werewolves, Vampires, Rio by her Comics name, etc.) in leveraging the magical world against the British magic users during the Revolutionary War.
I'm starting to think Rio isn't a witch. She didn't emerge from the spot they were summoning a Green Witch (could someone still pop out of that spot and catch up?) She's the only supposed coven member who isn't cursed during the trial. And she makes a cryptic comment about coming *up* to the road rather than going down. I'm not saying it's 🎶 Mephisto All Along 🎶 but...maybe? 😬
@adriankerrison I thought the exact same thing when she came out of the ground. She mentioned having a black heart, and it's not like Marvel hasn't gender and raced swapped characters before.
“That boy isn’t yours” there goes my hope of him being Nicholas instead of Billy 😭
My take is that it wasn't actually Jen who healed Teen, but Rio. Agatha literally begged Rio to not take him ("don't") and I believe Rio listened because it was her (as Lady Death) who had to take her son away from her way back when, as debt for the power Agatha craved. That's why she hates Rio and was so heartbroken during her hallucination. I also don't believe Rio was telling the truth when she told her Teen is not her son.
I'm still thinking Teen is a "mutant" soul of both Nicholas and Billy and was the one who died in the accident that's mentioned in the credits and first episode. That would be a perfect way to set him up for future MCU projects and also wrap Wanda's/Agatha's storyline up. Me thinks Agatha is going to sacrifice herself to save him at the end 🙈
If you guys haven't seen LEGION (FX Series), you really should!
Also the series 'Helstrom'!!
And the movies 'Black Bear' and 'Ingrid Goes West'
Dang it’s like healing through music
Agatha said “don’t” to Rio what that means I’m not sure yet. ( I know stupid funko leaks don’t look them up they’re mega spoilers)
@@joshbourne9679 This episode kinda confirms those leaks though
@@henryayalavillamar2034 on 1000 percent. But people who haven’t read the leaks shouldn’t be spoiled yk? Like it’s confirmed who Rio is but not officially confirmed in the show so it’s a spoiler atm
@@joshbourne9679 I know, that's why I appreciate you warning people about the spoilers
@@henryayalavillamar2034 ohhhh ofc ofc! It’s fun watching the show while knowing who she is. Makes her really scary she isn’t some delusional or funny witch. She’s a primordial being.
rio was the one trying to kill teen. agatha knew that and that's why she said don't.
In episode 2 before they conjured the road, when asked who's going high... Lilia blurts out "Get off me" in episode 4 when the curse is burning her, she yells "Get off me"...
These characters are so much fun! I have been loving the costumes and sets with all the details. The moon door this episode was gorgeous.
I love the fact that this comes out early! Early enough to discuss lmaoooo
them talking about wanda at the end. oh you guys 🥹🥹
I totally agree with Agustin there, I get chills watching Wanda’s scene in Endgame knowing she almost tore Thanos apart right then and there. And that’s before she even got the Darkhold!
When they entered the house they became like 70's famous singers/personalities. Agatha- Cher, Patty LuPone- Lisa Minnelli, Joe Locke-David Cassidy, Sasheer Zamata- Donna Summers and Ali Ahn - Yoko Ono. I couldn't identify who Aubrey Plaza was impersonating, thought.
@@arielcordero I thought Rio and Agatha were like dueling Chers' and Teen was like Sonny Bono lol cuz if she is who I think she is coupled with the story Rio told about her "job" it makes sense
I loved and enjoyed this episode so much! The whole 70s vibe and the interactions were awesome. The "tension" between Agatha and Rio 🔥 And Aubrey Plaza this episode 😲 Fully agree with Hector! "Sad is better than angry" got me in the feels too!
"You guys don't have extra nipples? I'm covered in nipples; want to see?" Okay, sure, Aubrey Plaza is typecast with lines like that, but... I'm here for the quirkiness 😂
Actually while they were talking at the campfire and Lilia paused, she finished that sentence in episode 3 while their faces were swollen.
"At first we hated each other but now... I love you guys"
I'm quite curious about the time distance of her visions because in episode 2 she screamed (teen when he got jump scared by the salem seven) and shouted "GET OFF ME!!" which was Sharon in episode 3. Now there's some things that haven't been answered yet.
1) "Try to save Agatha"
1.5) Perhaps "They're all dead" which she said in italian
2) "Which is it? Am I blah or blah" (I cannot type that for the life of me lmao)
3) "Alice... Don't."
This episode confirmed for me that Teen is Wiccan/Billy and Rio is in fact really Death.
Agatha took Rio to the end of the road. Rio is likely Gaea. The daughter of Mephisto the OG green witch. And yes, that boy is Billy Kaplan and his boyfriend is Hulkling.
“Witches don’t need powers to be witches.”
I thought that would be the lesson of Sharon Not-Davies being in the coven , but apparently not.
"I've got a scar."
"No, you don't."
🔥🖤🔥
Best episode so far
The leading theory right now is that Rio is Death-Something happened to Nicholas and Rio couldn’t bend the rules for Agatha to save him. It’s also kind of tragically amusing and romantic to imagine that like….Agatha has killed so many people that Death fell in love with her through their meetings. And their relationship is SO freaking well done, like they love and want each other so much and are in so much pain because of it. Kathryn Hahn is coming for that Emmy.
Also I’m afraid Alice is going to die. I think Lilia’s premonition telling her not to do something was about next week’s episode when Agatha gets possessed-Lilia will try to stop Alice from blasting her with magic because Agatha will just absorb it, and Alice is gonna do it anyway.
Has anyone else noticed how the trials depict the methods by which witches were executed? In the first trial, the water was for execution by drowning. In this trial, there was fire for execution by burning. I have a theory that in the air trial the imminent danger will be being hanged just like on the gallows, and the earth trial the danger will be stones because of stoning, which was another method of executing witches.
If you watch the Thai movie Shutter you'll get the reference on Alice feeling "lighter".
When I heard them say, “That’s not your son,” I immediately thought about how identical Agatha/Hahn looks almost exactly like Cynthia Von Doom, who was also a very powerful witch. They are notorious for changing origins to fit their narrative.
there was one scene with Lilia that I felt like her sudden outbursts were from the future. Then when it happens in the future she's just silent because she had verbally said it in the past. I think she meant to say 'i love you guys' which she already said in a previous episode
Yall were fast, i just finished watching it!
5:42 not a witch, but scary: Legion
I would say Aubrey Plaza as the Shadow King as Lenny was a scary magical role
I've edit analog audio tape before! Like the 1" reel-to-reel. But I didn't use scissors, I used a razor blade cut it and splicing tape to put it back together. It was a fun project!
i find it quite interesting that they've turned the comic storyline of agatha mentoring wanda to agatha mentoring wiccan. this series is gonna create a special bond between the two which i hope results in agatha helping out in bringing wanda back eventually
There was major reveals in this episode. We know that teen is most likely Billy Kaplan. But also there was another reference that caught me by surprise. Agatha says to Rio that Wanda Maximoff is dead. However, Rio assures Agatha that "I've not collected her". I sat there thinking, wait what did she just say? That would mean it confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is not dead within the MCU.
@@Madame702 wait when did that happen???
@@Madame702 well, we know either way that Wanda is A) not dead and just teleported away with erased memories B) died, but will be somehow ressurected, perhaps in this show. They know at marvel that we still love Wanda's character + when mutants come around we would like House of M adaptation.
That last push in the song. Reminded me of Meat Loaf. Bat Out If Hell
Aubrey played the shadow king in FX's "Legion"
aubrey plaza in noah hawley's legion. she is so damn good in the series.
Lilia said "But now.." and in the previous episode she divined: "I love you guys"
What if the line "that boy isn't yours" means something else. Like, the boy is Agatha's son, but since she gave him up when he was a baby, he belongs to the one that Agatha traded the book for. Hence the boy is not hers anymore.
this episode was amazing!
Here me out, Agatha already has been Franklin's babysitter. The Teen IS Franklin Richards. The reason the FF movie is set in the 60s is because it's BEFORE Franklin was born. This whole adventure started when the Teen showed up and it has been HIS ideas every time. This show sets up the FF movie, in a big final reveal, and the FF is now connected to Avengers in a way that is both insulated, but also steeped in legitimacy. Why have we not seen the FF, because the Teen wrote them out of history and he's on the road to try to find a way to bring them back.
God I am unreasonably invested in Agatha and Rio's doomed love story.
Happy to be in the Heroes Reforged Coven!
Aubrey Plaza had a Christmas witch book. And on the tonite show she manifested this role...
Happy to be a part of your coven homies 😂👏🏽
“Can someone conjure me into that room please?”💀💀IM DYING but no same yes me too
I don't know why I wanted him to be Nick so badly. I guess cus thier chemistry is so good. He feels like her son 😢
He still can be, sort of, - families of choice are still families
It's fun to see you guys react to this. 😄
Rio is Blackheart. I'm calling it now.
Some spoilers came out, don’t read the replies to you, they may spoil it for you like they did to me
If you wanna know who it is I can tell you. But you have to reply and say yes then I’ll say it where you have to scroll down to see because I don’t wanna spoil for anyone
@oliviafrancis-g7y i know that people were theorizing she's Lady Death but I didn't know her identity was confirmed. I'm just saying she's blackheart based off of the black heart reference in episode 2. I don't think they're going to have Mephisto in the series, so it just makes sense to have his son (or daughter) appear instead.
@@thehuntsman8341 makes sense, they seem to be trying to lead us away from their real identity. Like they made teen seem like Agatha’s son and rio seem like blackheart
Yup. She say she might not have been brought DOWN to the Witches' Road, as she said "or UP." She is a DEMON from the nether regions somewhere BELOW. So that means she is Mephisto's daughter Blackheart (in the comics it's a son; MCU gender-swapped) & probably was tasked to take Agatha's son --- "it was my job."
During the main setpiece song Rio very much had a vibe of "if I don't play Rock Band with you guys I'll never see you so I'm just here to play drums on Easy mode'.
So many sutle clues and winks this episode
Thanks, Adam! Thanks, Hector! Thanks, Agustin! 🧙♀
😅😂🎉 how is it even possible that not only is Aubrey Plaza in this show but the sure fact that, and this would make me laugh so hard, when they proposed this character for her, they said hey Aubrey for the role of the green witch, you just be you.
2:12
"people cant be replaced"
"can't they?"
yikes, that one hurt my heart
@@knjjah2776 it's like Wanda saying "cant i?" On vision
Rio saying "I'll get my bodies", Agatha saying to her "no" when Teen is dying and her dressing sort of a mexican woman (maybe), Rio is Death I'm here for it
@@estebangarcia9168 yes rio is alr had been confirmed that shes lady death from the comic books
I would love to see Wanda come back similarly to how she did in the recent solo series comic. In that comic series she's on her own trying to put back together a life, while dealing with the aftereffects of her actions over the years. She then focuses in on what she is, and is good at, magic, and goes from there on her own. That would be cool to see adapted!
Aubrey Plaza (Rio) is 100% Death.
-She gets all their bodies, after "Agatha kills all the witches".
-She is somehow connected to the "death" of Agathas son.
-Agatha says if she absorbs Rios power, she "dies"
- Rio climbs out of Mrs. Harts dead body.
- Rio says she is The Green Witch, Green as in the Earth, both life and decay.
- Rio had a relationship with Agatha because, Agatha couldnt die due to being shrouded by the Darkhold.
Teen- what happened to your son?
Agatha - Get that question outta ma face!
Loving the reactions guys. Best episode so far.
The show has been great so far, even my wife who is a casual Marvel fan is into it and gets pissed that we have to wait a week until the next episode.
Lillia is playing a different musical Instrument each Time
I have only seen Aubrey Plaza in Legion. She was good in that show. Never watched Parks & Rec
You mentioned Patti LuPone said some of her stuff would make more sense after the show is done and we understand the whole picture.
Works for me. Wandavision was the same way.
2:43 -- Remember, in one of the trailers, Rio refers to herself as *The* Green Witch while on the road.
Guys, there was a "blink and you missed it reference". Agatha says to Rio that Wanda is dead and Rio's says "no I have not collected her". That is a confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is alive in the MCU.
Aubrey Plaza is Death. You watch. “You get your powers and I’ll get my bodies” also she isn’t worried at all that the road will throw stuff her way because she isn’t a Witch and know she’s going to be fine and can’t die because she’s…well death lol. I put all my money on that 💯
Did you caught the reference in the show? Agatha tells Rio that Wanda Maximoff is dead. However, Rio tells Agatha that "I've not collected her". Wow, I sat there said did the show just confirm that the "Scarlet Witch" is not dead within the MCU?
Though not a Witch character, Aubry Plaza's unhinged role in the Fox Marvel series Legion is very much worth checking out. She absolutely crushes it in that show, amongst a stacked cast.
After this episode I really think Rio is Lady Death. Since it's pretty clear that Agatha never walked the road before, I think her son just died from a disease and Rio "claimed" him, which caused the rift between them. Agatha then used the dark hold to somehow bring him back but it didn't work and she got corrupted.
She said, "mutiny.. she was in a mutant show called Legion. Which the main lead character was Charles Xavier's son.
Thank god. I just finished rewatching Everything Everywhere All At Once and needed something to distract me 🥳
Aubrey Plaza has written a children book about a witch/witches and has even done reading where she gets into the role of a witch. So kinda
SO MANY CLUES for two main characters and reveals to come in this episode! So many! That's all I'll say.
There was a "blink and you missed it reference". Agatha says to Rio that Wanda is dead and Rio's says "no I have not collected her". That is a confirmation that the "Scarlet Witch" is alive in the MCU.
@@Madame702 + another one pointing to Rio being Death. And I missed the one you mentioned. Good catch.
She said in the booth that she "wants bodies", her job was 'taking' Agathas son + Agatha said DONT, when Billy was about to die and she looked at Rio, who was getting ready to take him with her. + in first ep Agatha said absorbing Rios powers could kill her.
I Think Billy is playing Agatha, and he already knows bigger magic than he is leading on.
Agatha mentioned that he had to have some big power because removed the spell from the Scarlet Witch. Billy had his mom's powers, and even when Agatha had her thoughts blocked, and Wanda could never get to her mind...Billy could.
The proof.. he told Agatha that she was quiet on the inside, back on Wandavision.
He probably is using her grief against her so she'll help him get through the road.
I think he wants to get his mom back.
Not sure if you mentioned it at the end, but just wanted to point out that AP played Lenny in Legion, which to me gives off the same death/demon vibes. I was hoping she was actually the same character, but I do love the direction Rio is going.
I just realized what Rio said could be interpreted differently. "He's not yours" could be her talking about possession. Like Agatha selling off her son. Instead of meaning that the teen isnt her biological son.
Lilia was bitten by a vampire...was it one of Blade's enemy? lol!
Aubrey Plaza was a voice character in Little Demon a few years ago. She has a child with the devil. 😂
Rio being Death was so obvious in this ep. So good! Cant wait! Hope Aubrey meets up with Deadpool sometime in the future xD I guess Thanos was about to simp for her in some alternate universe xD
This episode was so amazing to me!
Imagine it's Wanda All Along this time lol 😂