Rome (HBO) - Octavian's Speech to the Senate
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2021
- Octavian becomes consul of Rome and proposes his first motion
I am fond of history and particularly in the history of Rome and I share videos about it. Rome (2005) was one the best tv show and also some kind of documentary. I claim no rights of the videos I share
If you like my video please click the like button and dont forget to subscribe for support. 
Кино
"Hello, my name is Octavian Caesar. You killed my father-prepare to die."
Ah yes, the famous line from "The Consul’s Bride"…
🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Julius Ceaser did what many other great leaders failed to do:
Name an heir who would expand upon, and arguably exceed, his very own accomplishments.
It is too bad that Augustus failed to name an heir of equal or better qualities to himself. The appointment of Tiberius as his heir was an omen of the eventual failure and termination of the JUlian dynasty and led to such stellarly dysfunctional emperors as Caligula and Nero, with Claudius being the exception that proved the rule.
“Arguably”???
@@johnscanlon8833It is more complicated than that. Augustus had chosen and groomed many heirs during his reign but they had a nasty habit of dying... Tiberius was literally the last minute candidate who as far as Augustus was concerned was scraping the bottom of the barrel; a real case of making do with what you have left and not many choices.
@@richardtaylor1652 thanks for t he erudite response. Tiberius was no one's idea of a -perfect emperor. that Tiberius chose Caligula as his heir probably reinforces Tiberius' unsuitability.
@@johnscanlon8833 Augustus did try to groom heirs to carry on his legacy. Too bad both of them (Gaius and Lucius) died in their 20s. He then adopted a 3rd heir, Agrippa Postumus. But after a few years Postumus was banished due to "animalistic nature", and was assassinated a few years after that (I do wonder if Tiberius had something to do with this, as that meant he is now the 1st in the line of succession)
I think Tiberius was a good - if cruel and tyrannical - Emperor. But indeed he failed to groom a proper heir (Germanicus would have been perfect. But Tiberius had him poisoned instead).
Caligula is a prime example of what happens when you put a psychopath on the throne
"Step away from my chair"
The Empire has began...
The Republic died the moment they shanked Caesar on the Senate floor. The last chance they had to restore the Republic it was frittered away by a colossal miscalculation by an arrogant Senate who thought they could control Octavian.
You can see it in Cicero's eyes. That chair became a throne right in front of him
Long live the empire. 😂
@@g0nk_droidIn the end, power is with the army, police, secret police. And who controlls the treasury to pay them.
@@g0nk_droid Why is Cicero mad to see armed guards when he did the exact same thing during the Catiline conspiracy lol. Back then Julius Caesar was disgusted at the sight of those guards forcing the conspirators to be executed without a trial.
It’s been said before, and I’ll say it again: Octavian would have won the Game of Thrones
Octavian would have wiped the floor with Cersi and all the rest.
There's a crossover fanfiction of Ovtavian inserted into Joffrey, but it's not quite clear as to what point he was taken from, but certainly not his teenage years.
Octavian would win 4D chess game against any major cunning plotter in GOT universe
Octavian could land in Westeros and within 15 minutes he'd be on the Iron Throne with Cersei, Daenerys and Sansa clinging to his leg like harem girls and Littlefinger and Tyrion performing as jesters
No the fuck he wouldn’t
Augustus was a genius. He out maneuvered his enemies. As Emperor, he never referred to himself as Emperor, but First Citizen.
Not exactly: he adopted 'Imperator' (the title of a victorious general, and the etymological root of the modern English word 'Emperor') as his praenomen, or first name, while retaining the name 'Caesar'. 'Augustus' was a cognomen (third name) granted by the senate in 27BC, which is when his reign as Emperor is conventionally dated from. So, in line with the Roman naming conventions, his name from that date onwards, was 'Imperator Caesar Augustus', and he used 'divi Filius' ('son of the god', ie, Caesar) as his filiation, denoting who his (adoptive) father was.
All three of his names were passed on to his successors as Emperors, first via descent (through his adoptive son Tiberius and his adoptive grandson Caligula), and after his line became extinct, were kept as names by later Emperors, and it gradually became viewed as a title. Although of course, right up until the fall of the western Roman Empire and beyond, Rome continued to be formally a republic, and it was only very gradually that 'Imperator' and 'Caesar' became viewed as the title of a monarch, a status first openly acknowledged under the Emperor Diocletian.
It was Trajan mate the Optimus Princeps
@@volkanyatkin The Best Emperor for the rest of us plebs
He wasn't even close to caesar in my view, perhaps politically (but even that's a stretch) but militarily octavian wasn't even a leader never mind a capable one. Agrippa was the genius that won octavian the power of all of rome
It's because he made the word emperor
Cicero: We had a deal!
Octavian: I’m altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it further.
perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?
Octavian had the death star at his back…
More like, “We had a deal, damn you!” - Caledon Hockley
Octavian proved to Cicero that he was not to be trusted.
One of the best scenes in the entire series. Cicero believes he was outmaneuvered by a child, when in reality, he made the mistake of thinking that he could put a collar on a wolf.
Good call back to Cicero's speech about Caesar comparing him to a Wolf.
It's hard to put a collar on a dog when you've placed a crown upon its head.
He is, I really hate when people pseudo-analyse these scenes and make 'pithy' statemetns
Well perhaps you would expect him to climb a tree ?
Cicero was arrogant and outmaneuvered by a young man infinitely smarter than himself
*When Julius Caesar said, "Rome will not forgive you a second time." This is when that finally came to fruition.*
Can I ask when he said this am still early in my journey of Roman history
@@raymundoserna3449 season 1
Whats the name of this show/series?
@@aanazmi7478 HBO's "Rome"
Those so called "friends" got what thesy deserve. FR
Octavian's actor really looks SO MUCH like Octavian from the statues...
@@danielallan8061 Well, apparently not 'everyone' when we here agree the pick was good. hehe
@@danielallan8061 I mean for Augustus he wasn't cast poorly, but as an older Octavian. I really liked the child actor of Octavian, he had a really calculating yet kind spirit. This Octavian is just machiavellian and evil which might be the fault of the writing, perhabs
@@cemtv5264 I wouldn't say Octavian had a kind spirit as a kid, he helped Pullo torture a man to death after all, after suggesting they kidnap him in the first place. It was more like he was very loyal to people he considered his friends.
@@entropyapathy So what? Torture was normal back then I don't get your point
@@cemtv5264 The adult Octavian casting was perfect. In every description of Octavian he is described as looking like a normal man of average stature but the one peculiar charecterstic of his were his eyes. They seemed like they could read through people, the vision of an eagle looking at his prey. The casting was on point.
I honesly LOVE Cicero's face when Octavian told him to step away from his chair: He had just witnessed the Republic DIE in front of him.
He looked death of the Republic in the eyes, one may say
The Republic Cicero helped destroy through murder, conspiracy, and treachery. There were other paths to save the Republic. He undermined his own cause, and what made him great, by resorting to such acts.
@@geekzombie8795 Cicero thought he had a puppet in Octavian (based on a scene before this one). Octavian wanted to be in charge and was only able to get Cicero onboard by appealing to his lust for power. Octavian said he wouldn't make any moves or speeches without Cicero''s blessing, and you could see the wheels turning in that very scene.
@@jaredleenewton
Do you mean the assassination of Caesar? I don't think he was involved with that was he? Forgive me if you're referring to something else, I'm not an expert
@@jaredleenewtonwhile Cicero was certainly a flawed man and made a lot of mistakes, it’s undeniable that he genuinely wanted to save the republic. He worked tirelessly to broker compromise between Pompeii and Caesar during the civil war and desperately tried to urge Caesar to return the republic to normalcy. He failed because he underestimated Caesar’s 18 y/o, sickly adopted son.
In an era full of conniving, conspiring, dangerous, ambitious and very intelligent people... Octavian showed to be the most conniving, conspiring, ambitious and intelligent of them all.
eh
Octavian showed to be Juilius Caesar's son*
@@laughingbat1695 adopted son/nephew*
He proved the notiom that no matter how much political capital, legitimacy or wether or not you are on the right side of the law, power goes to whoever has the most weapons
Didn’t seem to be much of an army commander though at least not the early history I’ve seen very indecisive barely avoided disaster a few times.
"Step away from my chair" is the true horror from a Powerful Child King, Augustus was a Supreme, He has an Emperor aura
Weak men worship other men.
Not Augustus yet but I agree he was truly one of a kind in my opinion
The actor playing Cicero gave such a great, horrified look, like he knew he was looking at a king. Or an emperor, rather.
More like he knew his corrupt oligarchy was finally at an end, they werent against kings for being kings, the senate and the senate alone disliked kings because with a king the senate oligarchs would be virtually powerless and their corrupt self interest beaten into the ground by order and duty
He knew at that moment that he absolutely fucked up big time and there was no way out this time.
That's the moment he knew the Republic DIED in front of him.
@@danielvictor3262a corrupt republic ruled by the richest men in rome
Cicero’s dawning realisation is stunning.
Great acting, the slow changes in stance, facial expression and eyes.
I love the casting for both young and older Octavian: the show made him look like a political-savant and a creature of power. Which Augustus needed to be. After all, we're talking about a guy who through ruthless guile successfully leveraged the strength of the name he inherited to become civil and military dictator at the age of 19.
19? Wow 😳
i mean he didn't 'need'
Yep, both were inspired casting… ruthless, intelligent and cunning … just like his father Julius…🙂
Now tell me did it work,You bet it worked.
i've seen a lot of people dumping on the older actor for Octavian - but i think he did a great job in his own way. Octavian wasn't generally regarded to be super charismatic and dramatic in the same way Caesar was. A person who could be intelligent, but also dispassionate and ruthless enough to rule Rome from such a young age was well represented imo
Julius Caesar had many great accomplishments, but his greatest act was naming Octavian his successor instead of Mark Antony. Mark Antony couldn’t rule the city of Rome for a year. Octavian ruled the entire Roman Empire for over 40 years. When Mark Antony was in charge of Rome, there were riots, famine, and unrest. When Octavian was in charge of the Roman Empire, there was peace and prosperity, the Pax Romana. Caesar clearly recognized that Mark Antony was a fine soldier, but it was Octavian who had the guile and resolve necessary to tame the wild beast which was the expanding Roman Empire.
If Octavian was the Man that Made Rome the Greatest Empire in History.
Then Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, was the 2nd half that helped him Acheive that goal
@@marseldagistani1989 that’s a fair assessment. Agrippa was a master of military strategy, Octavian was a master of political strategy. Neither could have accomplished a fraction of what they did without the other, and their friendship gave birth to an empire which lasted for centuries.
"Good soldiers follow orders."
Octavian was no soldier, and that's why he was such an excellent emperor.
Antony was a rabid dog
In the first years (during the civil wars) octavian wasnt really having that great a time leading Rome and consequently wasn't really popular at the beginning. Pax romana came a bit later
I love this scene. When Octavian stands and the soldiers enter the Senate it sends the message loud and clear. "I am the dictator you feared my uncle/father was. I am a living god and can do no wrong in the eyes of my soldiers and of the common people of Rome. I will make you all obsolete and create the greatest Empire in the history of the world."
"My father died on this floor... right there. Stabbed 27 times - butchered by men he called his friends.
So let's be clear: I'm not making that mistake, and *we're not friends."*
My energy for sure
They really didn't think this through did they? Julius Caesars assassins that is.
Was I the only one who thought that Brutus was the only one of the assassins and conspirators who was actually concerned with the republic rather than their own power or with revenge?
wish same thing happened in France, a republic in Cesarian style. With either Prince Napoléon or Prince Murat
@@smartalec2001 - Good one! LMAO!
Not gonna lie, he had us in the first half.
And then he had us in half. Us being the res publica.
"who will speak against the motion ?" this such a beautiful shot
Everytime I rewatch this show, I hope they bring it back. We could easily have a season 3 start during Augustus' reign.
they could have made 15 seasons more. and 15 seasons pre-quel and I would have watched all of it
@@jesperhjensen1978 it's a shame because it was written for 5 seasons
@@Byronic19134 just too expensive too produce sadly
They had the largest outdoor set in the history of film and tv, but a lot of it burned down. I also read that season 3 was to possibly have a storyline that focused on Jesus Christ.
@@vojtechdjakov7271 what show is that?
Say fellas this kid has the name of Cesare, should we be concerned?
Cicero: Nah fam
Well, considering Augustus brought 20 years of peace and prosperity to Rome I'd say they definitely had no reason to be concerned... for the Republic, at least 😅
@@monot00nz I'm pretty sure It's more like a few Decades but yeag
@@sadiqahmed4143 the pax Romana lasted 200 years until the crisis of the third century
It's ironic because THEY set a precedent for using weapons inside the senate and now can't complain about Octavian bringing all his soldiers in.
Caesar was not killed in senate, but in an auditorium in Pompey's theater !
"The Caesar has marked you for death and the legion obeys! Ready yourself for battle!"
Ah, nice reference.
I got Lorica that jingle jangle jingle
I like how the soldiers marching in are all officers. It gives more weight to the authority and threat while respecting the chamber
Centurions
@@thejonrezcontent5213 Correct! Not just any officers but the special forces of the Roman army!
They're giving out "you're not jumping our leader's adopted son, got that?" vibes.
@@Memelord1117adopted son, but yes
I AM THE SENATE
Not yet
🗡️
@@devilpupbear09 It's treason,then
Furiously writes prescriptions
It's interesting that he told Cicero to move away from his chair, almost as if he feared a repeat of Caesar's murder. Suetonius says that when the historical Augustus addressed the senate, he wore chainmail and a gladius under his toga, kept ten men around his chair, only allowed senators to come one at a time, and had them searched beforehand. When the praetor Quintus Gallius approached him holding folded tablets beneath his tunic, Augustus suspected he had a sword and had him tortured and executed. Suetonius says Augustus personally tore out Gallius' eyes.
Suetonius would say that
@@greenman6141 why
@@ameytiwari1247 Sounds like he was anti Caesarian/Augustus if he wrote that, idk
@@ameytiwari1247Roman historians exaggerated what they heard from second/third hand sources. Augustus could’ve just been nervous and had that Senator killed for another reason, but instead it becomes a narrative of a terrified and paranoid man wrapped in armor personally torturing someone to death.
@@blitzy3244 Actually, Suetonius was pro-Augustus
I love this scene. It builds up slowly, slowly…the senators sense something is going to happen…Cicero is rebuffed… then when Augustus calls the soldiers in my heart skipped a beat with fear. Imagine what the senators felt! BRAVO!
The look on ciceros face when he is told to step away from his chair. Its like Octavian has just removed his mask, and Cicero is seeing who he truly is for the first time.
@@rorus9530 Beaten Cicero in his own game. In other words, Augustus is a better Cicero than Cicero himself.
"The Republic... will be reorganized... into the First Roman Empire!"
"This is how liberty dies - with thunderous applause"
A rather intrepid correlation.
@@agnusdeiquitollispecatamundi Unlike Palpatine, Octavian brought perhaps the longest time of peace in Europe,
I love democracy
Well it ended with military coercion but applause works too.
@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 Octavian Augustus: *"I brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new empire"*
Cicero thought he had made a consul, but you can see the moment when he realizes he's made an emperor.
The rotating shot from 3:37 is a fantastic piece of cinematography. Standing below in the pulpit Octavian stands taller than every man in the senate
"It will split the Republic"
Like Augustus cares his side has Agripa
Agripa was his warrior general.
I wish that Rome continued on HBO as an anthology series. You could have a season in the pre-republic era, or the reign of Trajan or the Eastern era in Constantinople. There is a lot of opportunity for great storytelling beyond the usual story of the republic's fall which most people are familiar with.
Hollywood, and its derivatives, avoid anything having to do with Iran like the plague.
The Roman Kingdom, and the era of the seven King's wow that would honestly be dope asf
The best would be the year of the four emperors in 69AD with Vespasian winning the throne in the end similar to a GoT bit with more history focused around it and no need for fantasy when the history itself is great and compelling.
Could you imagine seasons of Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero? Would have been epic. Still one of the best I've ever seen and enjoyed it immensely. Augustus was certainly the best and most successful of all the Roman Emperors.
@@subvet3668' I, Claudius' covered those periods apart from Nero's reign. Worth watching.
One of the best shows ever made, hands down. This scene was beautiful.
Here in Brasil, we say that Octavian "passou o rodo", that means he has deafeted everyone. Thanks for post!
@D. AVG 👑 Errado ele não tá KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKJ.
Ave Império!
Pax Augusta
Augusto jantou e não deixou restos 😂
You really get a sense that Octavian IS disgusted over his Father/Great Uncle’s brutal murder. I had a great Uncle I was close to and I would have felt similarly. Excellently done.
Anyone would be disgusted. They cut Caesar down like a dog.
Octavian (to Cicero): Congratulations, you played yourself
“It’s Hard to control a dog with a leash once he gets his crown” - Tryion Lannister
"A Rome of virtuous women and honest men."
How Rome has changed...
In an alternate universe, Rome continues on.
If only. We’d all be on Mars speaking Latin
"diversity" killed Rome.
@@SushiBandit28 Not really Rome fell due to its internal decadence which was a result of there own success like the West today
@@spark5558 Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, and the cycle continues. Rome was the perfect example. That Empire was so incredibly dominant that they created centuries of so called Pax Romana. Yet, these good times eventually brewed weak generations that proceeded to destroy the Empire internally. I keep laughing at germans saying that they destroyed Rome LMAO when the known truth, who everyone but them understand, is that Rome destroyed itself, after about two centuries of political strife and social decadence that led to the barbarization of the Empire.
@@Kepps-ff3rg I wish teutoburg happened when Augustus was younger . He would have fucked them up and conquered them just to prove the point .
This show should have been 7 seasons at least
Just goes to show that caeser might have not seen his death coming but he knew if it did rome was in capable hands
One of the most underrated tv shows of all times.
2:37 the realization that it didn’t end with Caesar and that he had merely built up the stage, and had dealt his successor the best hand possible.
The game had only just begun.
Octavian knew that his father, loved Rome, when his father was assassinated the senate did nothing… He wanted to send a message this time so there will be no misunderstanding what he was about to do, I will be more than my father and I will teach you all a lesson in humility, prosperity and honesty and he would not except any type of flattery or allege friendships. He made it quite clear. Who was the emperor and his Roman legion, The soldiers wear his bodyguards and enforcers. The Senate learned a valuable lesson which they follow for over 40 years, when you invite a wolf into the chicken coop. The wolf will eat good. Great acting love the series.
Hearing the plans they had for the show, it’s heartbreaking they had to cancel because it would be too expensive. Which is why season two was rushed throughout so many years. Now that Game Of Thrones proved that people still love quality television shows, I hope they bring this show back.
Just imagine how absolutely terrifying those soldiers marching in must’ve been for the senators. Rome was so adverse to any form of military presence in the city that it was forbidden to even wear military clothing. the show even makes a point of this when -Cicero- Cato chastises Antony for wearing a soldier’s cloak inside the bounds of Rome; and here Octavian is, marching an entire legion not only into the city, but directly into the senate house.
Anthony made sure to dress as soldier just to provoke that response... similarly those are 4 Primas Pilus, meaning that those are the four most important Centurions in each of their Legions. That Augustus has 24,000 men as his army outside the gates waiting for his command... Men who loved Ceasar as he Augustus did.
Cato, not Cicero
@@lucaiovis My mistake
The best scene in the entire series. Cicero said to fellow conservative senators, Octavian should be praised, honored and then killed. He did not know who he was messing with. Julius Caesar recognized the strength in Octavian character which more than made up for his weak/sickly body. Setting the scene: The Senate murdered Reformers the Gracchi, then extreme conservative Senator Sulla overthrew Marius and nullified most of his reforms which he enacted to help and protect the common Roman Citizen. Marius was the most victorious general until Julius Caesar and Pompey. Caesar and his reforms could only be stopped by betrayal and treachery. Octavian watched and learned. While Cicero, Cato did not.
I agree that leftists were , as always, wildly corrupt and it took a great hero that was naturally on the right to rectify the atrocities of that ultra-hardcore leftist senate. The tyrannical fefs and traitors in that room lost the power that they never deserved.
Romans viewed Sulla much like we view Nazis today, as a butcher of the extreme degree
@@Negs42 Makes sense.
No one is as bad as the socialists though but yes, tyrants & butchers to the maximum extreme is what the leftists are (stalin/hitler/mao/saddam hussein/joey B/etc).
Cicero wasn't a conservative actually, also historically he never said that.
During this time he was trying to manipulate Octavian into defeating Lepidus and Mark Anthony so the Senate could restore order in the republic. This plan backfired when Octavian betrayed him and formed the first triumvirate.
Well seen! Indeed Caesar wanted to reform the Republic, prevent senators from plundering the empire and improve the lot of the people, like the Gracchi. And like all those who took the side of the people, he was assassinated under the pretext that he wanted to be named king.
It is a strange coincidence that the actors playing young and older Octavian both quit acting a few years after Rome ended and moved onto other things. I thought they gave the best performances in the show.
All these years later, this scene remains a masterclass in acting.
Excellent scene. I love how Octavian swears to avange his "father" who was murdered by those he called his friends.
Octavian was like - My father was man who forgive... Who saw your all as friend... IM NOT MY FATHER. IM FIRST CITIZEN. IMPERATOR. YOUR MASTER... AND YOU WILL OBEY... OR PERISH BY HANDS OF MY LEGIONS.
Now that is how a real dictator does it
The casting for Julius Caesar and Augustus (both actors) was excellent. Both were so much further ahead of their rivals in brain power, political strategy and tactics, with the ability to see things as they were, not as they had been in The past. Masters of Real Politik.
Game of Thrones wishes it could be as good as Rome
Lol u mad
@@IsaacRainford21 at what?
Step away from my chair 🗿
Octavian pulled a Vader "I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further".
Star Wars was loosely based on this
octavian turned a republic into an empire and would be a standard by which no other emperor of rome could ever match.
''Who will raise their hand and wove, getting stabbed 27 times on the middle of the floor is not a murder''. Genius, and not an evil one.
2:35 It was at this moment that Cicero knew he f'ed up
This is not what we agreed.
It is not !. But never the less here we are !
I love the come back . So crisp cold and infinitely confident.
Price of the brick goin up
"never the less ..here we are " -TOP Octavian ;)
Octavian was a benign dictator, under his rule Rome was prosperous and safe.
And it NEVER returned to a Republic and the people voting, which meant that in a generation only the "dictatorship" part of "benign dictatorship" remained..... Caligula was the third roman emperor.
@@SamBrickell
Yet Rome lasted infinitely longer, than american "democracy".
@@SamBrickell What's your point? you can't argue with results; Octavian was arguably the most successful leader that Rome ever had and was directly responsible for their golden age. You don't like it because *'REEEEE'* ? too bad so sad.
@@SamBrickell The Republic was hardly a democracy. It was corrupt from it's very core.
Georgius Lucas Sidius: *takes notes hurriedly*
*This is the thing many legendary conquerors have in common: Being in the fight with thier men, eating the same food, riding under the rain with them and generally sharing thier hardship. This is why thier men loved them so much and would push themselves so hard to make thier leaders proud.*
even more so that octavian was not a great solider. he was always a bit on the sick side but that's what made him so damn special: he pushed himself to be great, despite having such a weak body. Caesar saw it and that's why he named him his heir.
Octavian have cunning and intelligence but not Alexander, even Marcus Antonius said mostly Octavian in his tent, sick during the battle
Augustus did not fight alongside his mean, read books about him he missed all the important battles and had no idea what was going on.
He took credit about the victories of his subordinates, was policitically cunning and extremely brutal.
In one record he forced father and son to gamble who dies first (prisoners).
Two are the tremendous scenes, in the whole series. The first is this one, the other is when Brutu's mother gives an end to her life. Both scenes can live you breathless!
Now that is an exit
Ciciro and brutus died like the dogs they were.. They had no right to kill Julius ceaser..
My Mother taught me "No Witnesses, No Regrets".
But Cicero and Brutus could not get him alone any other place.
It'sa weird they wanted to personally put the knife in him. Any other point in history and they'd paid someone to poison him.
There must be some sort of symbolic message .. the Senators personally knifing him on the Senate Floor. Something we are missing looking back, some reason it had to be done BY Senators IN the Senate.
Poison would have been simplier. And more Roman.
Brutus was descended from an ancestor who evicted the last King of Rome and established the Republic. He saw it as his duty to stop Julius Caesar from becoming another King. You may disagree but I believe his intentions were honourable. He did not kill Caesar for his own power grab and it must have been a very hard decision for him to make.
@@SuperChuckRaney There were to be no weapons brought into the senate chamber. It was not just a legal law, but moral and sacred one all were to abide by. Once the traitors broke that by bringing in daggers, then all bets were off and Octavian brought in the elite guards with swords. Amazing scene when they partially drew to send the message the fate which awaited them.
@@heliotropezzz333 Caesar never wanted to be king. When the crowd called him king, he replied: I am not king, I am Caesar! All the emperors of Rome were called Caesar, and later Kaiser and Tzar which are the translation of Caesar in German and Russian!
"It was then that Cicero knew he fucked up"
Just Keeping it Real.
Maybe Ashy Larry is a Praetorian? or Senator Leonard Washington?
Perhaps the best scene of the series! Step away from my chair!
There was a time that Simon Woods (Octavian/Augustus) was an actor, and what a time it was. It will probably never happen in my lifetime, but I look at this man and I imagine that if there ever was a man who might make justice of a young Tywin Lannister, in all his ruthlessness in putting down House Reyne of Castamere, it would have been him.
My father was so loved. He was missed.
“Who would speak against the motion?”
God I loved this series from start to finish.
I'm simultaneously grateful that I've never witnessed an event like this first hand, and at the same time, feel like it would be a privilege to be present for. Watching someone cleanly, effectively, take control of a government body, in a calm but very firm manner is just a rare thing, and I think that it would be something to see, inspiring even, as long as you aren't the one getting stomped on.
Remember watching this show on TV when I was just a Kid. This was so well made that it could be confused with a brand new show on TV.
Wow what an incredible scene.
The greatest show of alltime. Nothing can compare.
Lol good one
@@IsaacRainford21 Well it's all depending what you prefer so I don't have a problem with others seing that different. Imo the ability to bring that time back to life is unparalleled and actors were very well cast. I studied roman history and never thought someone would do such a tremendous job on this topic. Shows like the wire or Seinfeld also have a case.
The absolute state of romaboos 😂
@@yaqubebased1961I prefer Hentai and anime
😢 RIP Ray Stevenson...
Sad Day
This brings to mind another similar scene where a Republic becomes an Empire. With thunderous applause.
I saw the reference.
I always appreciated the blatant threat in asking who would say that Ceasars death was not "murder"... since if being slaughtered on the Senate gloor isn't "murder" then they will slaughtered right there
I don’t like how they portrayed Cicero in the h show , as he wasn’t this egotistical numpty who wanted to control Octavian he just wanted to prevent a civil war , but I love the portrayal of Octavian , he was so cold in his younger years and they portray it brilliantly
why do you think you knwo better? we can't say either, and this is still your own interpretation
@@mareksicinski3726 yea , it is my interpretation, that’s why I said I personally don’t like it, anyone can interpret it differently, but this is just how I interpret it
I think this was the best scene from the whole show. Fantastic.
This scene is won of the reasons I was honored to have my son named Augustus for him to be greater and loyal than I have could ever be my son will do what I couldn’t and that’s be a great man everyone will love
Cringe as fuck. You're so weird 🙄
Don Vito Corleone and Luca Brasi made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
This empire began in this video until the fall of Constantinople in 1453 AD
Such a great serie
One of my favourite scenes.
what a beautifuk scene, show of force. I belive he was also the first emperor who creted Pretorian guard..
praetorians were general Bodyguards Octavian had some , pompey did antonius had some
Octavian speech
My father died on this floor... Right there. Stabbed 27 times, butchered by men he called his friends 😳
Octavian standing up asked, who speaks against the motion? 😡
His legionnaires enter and showed up their swords ⚔️🗡️
The Senators got the message 😱
Bro. This is hands down the greatest show I ever seen in my life!!!! Vereous is so bada$$. I’m going home and watching from the beginning
My college history class showed us this clip and this is the scene that got me into Rome.
Senators if they weren’t cowards: all of us because you are overstepping your authority
“As she once was… a nation of virtuous women and honest men!”
The west in 2023 is sadly full of neither 😔 explains why our enemies in the east in keeping with their traditions got more powerful as our culture declined.
"Rome" was the best TV drama I ever saw.
Octavian:''In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Roman Empire, for a safe and secure society!''
I got chills when the swords ⚔️ ended the conversation…
Unfathomably based.
Little did Augustus knew at the time, for his intellect, knowlege and his prorpserous rule at the tmie , whic proveided peace and stability throughout Rome and it's Provinces sadly also gave rise to ruthless and vicous Tyrant like Tiberius, Calicula and Nero.
acting in this tv show is easily the best ive ever seen
A very serious technicality overlooked by their ambition. Was he or was he not a Roman citizen and therefore afforded protections of Roman law? Were his attackers not Roman citizens also subject to Roman law? A group of Roman citizens, regardless of rank, drew daggers an murdered another Roman citizen in the forum. Was the slaying a legally sanctioned act by the State? Caesar wasn't declared an enemy. No edicts or warrants issued. Legally speaking it's just as if a mob of citizens slew another on the street. Murder is murder and Octavian is correct.
Yes..... I'm pretty sure that's the whole point of the scene. To show in no uncertain terms that the entire senate was completely corrupt and their decrees no longer worth recognizing. As you said, Octavian is correct.