Riot Shields in Need of an Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Riot Shields in Need of an Upgrade
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In the gloom It’s like a full on ant war. Two hives are fighting eachother
How did you get this information?
@@rvrilhe's a bug
@@rvril He's one of the 23 left on Estanu
i dont have good news either, something has been shaking the ground everytime i solo a match, i dont know what it is but it isnt good.
Helldiver, are you intimating the Gloom has led to Terminid infighting? Where did you get this information?
The shield with a melee weapon would go hard
Medieval helldiver shall rule over the galaxy
(A good example of what I thinking is space marine 2)
@@Spreece154 melee weapons are my top request for this game, I NEED them now.
Yessss please! They need to block meele attacks cause rn i don't think they do
Not "the shield wtih a melee weapon" but "the shield AS a melee weapon"...
PAPA WANTS TO SHIELD BASH!
@@kennethmackenzie7527 I want them to make it so you can Meele with Grenades so I can use the knife an smack the Thermite Grenade into bots like a mace.
The shield being the melee weapon would be good to haha
If the Ballistic Shield could block small arms melee (Hunter Pounces, Automaton blade trooper slashes for scaling example.) I think it would definitely gain some purpose on the bug front.
I don’t expect it to block a stalker or hulk, but if it could block melee from hunters, scavengers, pouncers, warriors, maybe even hive guards? I’d definitely consider using that on the bug front for sure.
@@superchrispiks I think this is the only thing that could make it better. I agree with you when you say you didn’t assume it could block fire/bile. I think that would make it way too strong!
But the small melee would definitely be a game changer! But would not over due the buff.
It should probably guard against lighter attacks from most kinds of enemies to make it a more viable option for Terminids, we definitely agree with you!
The comment i was looking for
Also shield bash needs to be a thing
Shield buff ideas.
1 remain protected behind the shield while calling and throwing stratagems.
2 shield can block mele damage (with a low 5-10% chang eof the shield being knocked out of your hand.
3 allow hell divers to mele with the shield in their had, applying major stun effect to whatever it hits.
4 secondary ammo storage on the shield. Equipping the shield increases secondary ammo by 50%.
Some very nice ideas there, Helldiver! FOR SUPER EARTH!
Maybe #4 can be a reload speed buff instead, to keep up the pressure.
Also #3: [FallingPipe.mp3]\[TacoBellBong.mp3]
The balistic shield is extremely niche in the current state because it limits your offensive capability entirely onto your secondary if you're actively using it.
The other shield lets you use support weapons and primary weapons while offering protection.
It needs more versatility.
I'd like to see more one handed weapons and more defensive capability of the balistic shield.
Oof. Skill issue much? Literally one of my go to against the bots. There's nothing wrong with it aside from it being bugged
It's not much, but you can still use smgs as a primary in tandem with shields. I'd just recommend the senator for armor penetration as that secondary if you're using the low-caliber smg for its ammo and fire rate.
Jesus what about the crossbow? It was made one handed with Escalation of Freedom. Just furthers my theory that the majority just sperged out about the flamethrower and Breaker incendiary and read nothing else 😂
A very fair assessment Helldiver! We fully agree with you! FOR SUPER EARTH!
@@DrpanProductions my good sir, I use the crossbow each time I bring my ballistic shield.
I just wanna use it with other weapons.
I can bring it on Helldive and win.
Simply, I just wanna have more variety available to it.
More synergies, more possibility, just more fun stuff really.
That's all.
It's not bad.
It could just have more uses.
I feel like it would be cool if it deflected the flames some, and maybe blocked a large portion of the bile. It feels like it would block some of the spray (of both of the substances) but some would make it round the edges. Reducing damage from both sources would be cool, but I don’t think blocking them completely would be very balanced or realistic
Aye, Like the Armor of the Last warbond.
So flame deflecting is unrealistic until the helldivers have to deal with flames?
Personally I think this is a fair solution, it reduces damage but doesn't necessarily block it out entirely.
@@Jmsgmng Well I think holding a giant wall of steel is different than wearing a suit of chainmail.
Idk what y'all are talking about, the Ballistic shield is my FAVORITE backpack to use against the automatons. Working in tandem with the crossbow or the plumber is best
People are just noobs. Why tf would the should stop bile or flames. Especially when your arm is literally sticking out the side.... I swear this community is really full of morons.
People like you confuse me? is improvement such a bad thing?
@@CloudLicht I hate the guys who bring in mines.
@@CloudLicht it depends. If its too good, its no fun. Theres no risk, no challenge. But I'll not turn down minor improvements.
@@Corporal_Coyote it causes you to ragdoll more than normal and can make you glitch under the map if it's on your back. It's beyond unusable right now
_"A true Diver never hides behind a shield, but yes, a better shield WOULD be nice, for some folks!"_ - Death Captain Lionheart
Death Captain Lionheart, the only real shield any Helldiver needs is the shield of DEMOCRACY! FOR SUPER EARTH!
You see we should just be our own shields
@@LatharYT My shield is my sword.
MY FACE IS MY SHIELD!
@@yaboydarth_anky4248 Your face is our shield.
Heavy armor buff?
FOR SUPER EARTH AND DEMOCRACY!
Honestly it wouldnt be unreasonable for it to block bile, flames, or even melee attacks. It takes a backpack slot, only covers from one direction, can be broken by explosives or dropped, and limits you to 1 handed weapons (tho it still protects you when its on your back)
It should block most lighter melee attacks and probably at least reduce damage from fire and bile. Definitely with you there.
It needs a melee of sorts, but I can agree with the blocking of bile from spewers, but the titans is too much of it block. Also fire makes heat, and heat hurt.
Yeah I don't think the fire makes sense, it's not an incendiary shield. The bile and melee attacks though, that makes a lot of sense.
I want to see the Breaker go back to being the most terryfying thing the Bots ever saw
We too would love to see this happen, Helldiver! FOR SUPER EARTH!
The problem is, that the frontal protection offered is a bit limited .
If a SINGLE bot is 2 degrees outside it's protection range and shoots your shoulder, you get staggered.
It needs something on the sides to increase the angle at which bullets gets blocked
Hmm interesting, it would definitely make it more viable then. So you're saying greater protection in terms of it covering you? Makes sense.
@@SuperEarthSalute Exactly.
As a Riot Shield, it's supposed to be used to advance while under fire, to break through Bot lines.
But not having those extra degrees of protection restricts the angle of block to a very narrow margin in front of you.
So you either get lucky with all enemies on the front, or ankwardly move from side to side, and keep them busy hoping they do not walk forward or get surrounded.
At that point, i'd rather use the Bubble Shield backpack or not use it entirely to keep the mobility.
If I’m right about how supply lines work, if we take Gaevalle(or whatever it’s called) we can cut off automaton access to Mastia and Tarsh, which will either give us those two, or at least severely weaken bot resistance
Edit: Gaellivare
An excellent proposition, Helldiver! We should push to take Gaellivare! FOR SUPER EARTH!
@@SuperEarthSalute doesn’t matter now that we did it by taking Mastia. The fire barrage is actually insane
Make ballistic shield generate yellow energy shield that cover the front. Providing 180° protection from every Automaton's bullshit for limited amount of time.
An excellent suggestion, Helldiver! Would make a massive difference! FOR SUPER EARTH!
The principal problem is that sometimes it just disappears out of thin air. It’s really annoying
That's a really annoying glitch! That should be addressed before anything else!
Gotta protect my democracy spreading body from all the attacks 😮💨💪
FOR SUPER EARTH AND DEMOCRACY!
I personally would like the option of being able to use a guard dog and a shield to maximize the ability of defense (especially if I’m using one handed weapons) but it’s really just super earth’s decision.
That should be doable imo, but yes, will have to see what High Command decides. FOR SUPER EARTH!
I really want to be able to swap some stratagems/weapons during a mission like maybe once per match, at a terminal or with a booster somehow. I think it would allow for much more experimentation. Another possibility would be like stacking stratagems as a deck with single or double uses of certain types like having for example: 3 eagle gun runs, 1 500 kg, 2 airstrikes, 2 napalm strikes etc. Same with orbitals and support. Idk it would be more complex to navigate in game probably but would be a cool option so you could use more than one kind of support weapon or whatever per game
if theres something we need from the ballistic shield then that would be the agility to place it down as a small wall on the ground so we can equip heavier weapons and still be protected by it, it can already save you from a chicken walkers rocket as long as you wear explosive resistant heavy armor, so this little feature would be Highly effective out in fields where we need some kind of cover to hide behind while realoading and such.
It makes sense to make the shield block bile from bile spewers (and from bile titans, if less effectively), but flame throwers should pretty much ignore the shield. At most it should still light the diver on fire even with the shield
I love how he stays I character and mentions the buffs as reworks to our arsenal I love this channel
Thank you, Helldiver! We appreciate your support and will continue serving you as much as we can! FOR SUPER EARTH!
If Riot shields could be modified to defend against some damages, like blasts, fire and acidic bile, it would turn into a potentially useful team equipment. Think about it, running in front of a diver and blocking a whole lot of acid as they reload and prepare a counterattack.
Would be nice. Would be grand if they worked against melee, even if it was just a few shots before it knocks you back and the shield out of your hand. Just SoMETHING. would be good on that front.
I'll assume though they're at least not as crap as they were in the very beginning or that stint where the shield it's self was being blown into your face for a death instead of flying away on cannon shot for a one time protection against such like it should provide.
Kind of would be nice if that could provide a two hit block as well. Kind of similar how has been a tradition in Gundam as one end fo the shield tends to die, usually the top, and then the bottom still provides some protection until that sucker takes it's final big shot too.
Something that would be grand for them to ponder, but I doubt my more detailed through process that would take a little more of a reading level will ever grace their eyes with a care.
However I'm happy they're showing their push to make things to really show they're working on things with feedback, and that this time it can't be confused for lip service. Because a chunk of it before things really went bad the last time at the worst time possible, felt indeed like just settling words, not action.
Today we're seeing action, and though I haven't given it a positive re re re review yet, I have taken down the negative one until I have more time to really test where things are at now.
I play the balistic shield in my main bots loadout. For bots it is insanely OP, allowing you to stand in the open without taking damage.
For hulks and other bigger threats, I either snipe them with the antimateriel rifle before they can get close, or if they do get close, use stun granades to quickly dispatch them or if they are too many, to create an opening to escape.
I suggest everyone to try against bots, super underrated
They should definitely add a heavy riot shield which slows you down while in use but it’s able to block just about anything maybe a rocket and flamethrowers.
To yall complaining, a BALLISTIC shield is meant to protect against bullets and such, not fire and acid. (It should block some damage from both, but not like it stops the rest.)
This seems like the most reasonable solution in our opinion, so we agree with you, Helldiver!
@@SuperEarthSalute i shall be joining your ranks any day now! For super earth!
Hellcriers when the ballistic shield doesn’t block anything that isn’t ballistic:
Haha well yes, that is an opinion held by many Ballistic Shield fans!
It makes sense if it could block the bile at least. Blocking melee would be stellar as well
A shield change that I would do is that you can deploy as tempirary cover and/or make it so you can run with your shield up in front of you
Okay, use sample upgrades to modify stratagems.
Shield can then use the PH-12 "Based" Experimental Acid Neutralising Coating OR Asbestos Gel Experimental Flame Resistant Coating.
Then of course modifying it so that we can melee whomp bug and bot arse around the clock.
Those capes got the FLOW
I have found out that helldivers can dive underwhater without dying
Yes! And there should be a "crew serve" function, so that another Helldiver can attach themselves to the shield bearer's back and continue using their primary weapons
An interesting take! Thank you for weighing in, Helldiver! FOR SUPER EARTH!
The shield feels like cardboard on any difficulty above like what? Challenging? so yeah it needs a HEAVY buff
It only breaks when it’s hit directly by a rocket it doesn’t need a buff you need some skill.
@@Jmsgmng You know that on Helldive difficulty ALL of the: Factory Stiders, Hulks, Heavy Deavstators, Devastators, and Rocket launcher bots Spawn VERY Frequently? well mayby not the Factory Striders though. But then TANKS they turn it to Swiss Cheese Near INSTANTLY
So basically beyond a certain difficulty, the shield is useless? Makes sense actually.
It's a backpack item, make a base that stays on my back and has an arm that hold the shield primarily and my arm is backup, so that way it can't just be ripped from my hands somewhat randomly
If our flames pierce armour than the hulks fire can pierce a shield. As simple as that.
I feel like if our flames can go through heavy then theirs should be able to too, but I do definitely think it should be able to block bile spewers and maybe to an extent tile bitans but maybe not give full protection. It would really make it not a completely useless stratagem on the bug front
I never use the shield personally, but if it doesn't block bile I think it should or at least greatly reduced damage if it hits the shield. And same with the bot flamethrower. Maybe even slightly reduce the damage from rockets, but they still send you flying. That last one isn't important, but it'll be funny seeing new players trying to block rockets cause they think they'll survive
I feel like they should add a second shield that’s on a higher level and it can block rockets and fire level-32
I miss when I could confuse stupid bots with the shield. They can't see me, because I can't see them.
*Insert Metal Gear Solid joke here*
me and the boys on the SES Titan of War employ ancient tactics with these shields... PHALANX GO!
I'm never saying no to an upgrade, but I'd say the shield's issue is elsewhere ...
Only stratagems and support weapons can del with large enemies, and the shield pairs with them fairly poorly.
It's certainly limited in that respect, but seems many Divers really like it!
I never imagined riot shields would be worth a damn against a flamethrower
Thats it. Im joining the Chaos Cult.
In my opinion it should be able to block almost everything incloduing melee attacks from the direction you are holdin but it should have much lower hp and slightly reduced cooldown
I will *never* say no to Ballistic Shield buffs. I am the wall of which the darkness breaks!
Ever since the stealth nerf, I've been getting by with the exception of those god forsaken armored strider rockets. Only way I survive them is heavy fortified armor and it just deletes my shield every time.
Want the ballistic shield to be used more often? Have it reduce ragdolling by a good bit and I bet you see its usage go up 20%
I think it's decent on lower difficulties where there are less heavy enemies. While I wouldn't mind seeing a buff I think it's fine at present
I’d love a shield buff, and a military police / riot control themed warbond
They just need to un-cut the weapon customization, it would add ALOT more replayability. Imagine thinking the shield was bad and didnt intend on using it, then some guy charges through a hulks flames and you ask him how did that and he goes "I upgraded it😎"
I love the ballistic shield. It's great against rockets and bullets, but honestly, it does need to provide some basic protection from bile and fire, not sure about electricity tho
If its a strategem AND takes up a backpack slot, it should be allowed to be powerful
Hell give it a custom melee sheildbash
A shield can’t block fire or any air based weapon that would be stupid wear fireproof armour however it should be able to take more than two rockets b4 it breaks
I want my Ballistic Shield to withstand melee attacks to some degree as currently both bot and bug melee attacks pass right through and offer zero protection against what one would assume something nicknamed the riot shield would be ideal for.
Back in the day, Johnny Ricko from SES and I discussed that very topic on Clamythia, and we both agreed that a shield should provide protection against corrosive spew from bugs.
SES Halo of Starlight would like to weigh in on this issue, as our divers use this shield often.
Flame hulks:
Fire consumes air. When your diver is be being hit with flames, it becomes very difficult to breath. Also you balastic shield is made of metal and will heat up under the intense flames. Both of these may cause a diver to lose focus on protecting themselves and or cause you to lose proper motor function due to asphyxiation and severe burns from the heating of the shields metal... resulting in death.
Bile [in general]
This is a toxic fluid spewed on to diver and is highly corrosive, allowing spewers and titans to destroy objects such as crates and containers, designed to withstand ballistic gun fire with ease. As such, it is assumed the ballistic shield would also fall victum to such volatile substance.
Studies show that prolong contact with the local atmosphere (aka air) causes that corrosive effect and affects termanids as well as divers regardsless of thier ability to spit such bile😮, turning even heavily armored termanids into horrible piles of goo in senconds.
An excellent assessment, SES Halo of Starlight. Thank you for weighing in! FOR SUPER EARTH!
I beg to differ. If the suits we Helldivers wear somehow manage to not immediately dissolve upon contact with Bile, and not immediately melt when flames meet our suits, then couldn't SEAF theoretically take whatever's in our armor and somehow combine it into the shield? Perhaps this thought is just the rambling of a Malevelon Creek veteran.
Shield for battlefield, for Super Earth !
I entirely agree with it blocking bile. However, the flames seem excessive, just Dive.
I also think we should be able to use the Carbine variant of the Liberator with the shield.
Some people really think the BALISTIC shield should be able to block actual fire.
Of course. We all know the best defense against intense heat is holding a metal plate in your hands.
It really doesn't make sense tbh. Maybe the bile to a degree and even melee attacks, but fire doesn't make sense.
It should be able to block acid to a certain amount. Acid should be able to break it. Fire not so much. The shields metal. Metal conducts heat. 3rd degree burns on arm after flamethrower burst. Skin fused to shield.
Maybe some kind of buff could be nice. It’s really good against the bots, with its only real weakness there being rockets. But rockets become frightfully common at even middle difficulties, so something to help it stand up better against rockets would be welcome.
Good thing the game updates on my birthday
Colonel Kal_Gilamor of the Viper Commando Mercenary Company here, if the people of super earth can afford these upgrades, they can afford to pay me and my boys more, until then SES Soldier of Fortune out.
Keep fighting for super earth!
This episode was great
It does block the start of a bile titans spray but the acid chews through its durabilty to quick and ya still die
In my opinion they should add camo for the riot shield so we can blend in to the environment
Little Shield vs Flamethrower 🤔😂 Need I say anything...
I want a high damage melee attack with the shield that has synergies with the Viper Commandos Armor passive. I want a skyrim style shield bash that can stun medium level enemies like Brood commanders and maybe even stalkers.
Its good, ill take the buff, but the MAIN oroblem that needs to be solved is how you randomly drop/lose it wheb ragdolling.
I'd like them to fix the first person view. You used to be able to aim using a weapon with a laser, but now the bullets come from much higher than where the laser is pointed.
This actually, we really need this. Even if the shield isn't buffed, it needs some fixes for sure!
Oh my I totally forgot the Riot shield existed
A full on riot gear armour would be nice
One thing I’ve learned. If you can make it better do it. And don’t hesitate. Do it yesterday
A fair assessment, Helldiver! Thank you for your feedback! FOR SUPER EARTH!
@@SuperEarthSalute AND DEMOCRACY!!!!
Only upgrade I want is for it to stop bile, but not for long due to bile’s corrosive trait. Maybe stop a stream for 0.4 seconds(?) and then break due to having a giant hole in it burned through by bile acid
@@Crab20665 at that point id rather dive to the ground and dodge the stream, like a normal person.
Buffing the shield is not a bad thing means like more taken damage will last longer or even the bugs throw up toxic on you can help for cover
All I really want is shield bash and the ability to leave it on my back so I can choose to hip fire or place my shots
Heavy armor needs to be reworked as well as a heavy diver. I'm functional a light diver or a weak diver. I as a heavey armor user am at such a disadvantage. My armor does nothing to keep me protected any more then light armor does, and the limited speed makes me such an easy target. It's pointless for me to be on the battlefield besides to waste reinforces when I'm ragdolled into a rock by everything
I mean TECHNICALLY a "riot"shield wouldn't have any need to stop bullets, and wouldn't do anything for you anyways. Now, a ballistic shield could do it, but riot shields are made for stopping bricks, not ammunition.
Have you heard? John helldiver destroyed a factory strider with one bullet left….Then he shot it
The legendary John Helldiver strikes again! FOR SUPER EARTH!
@@SuperEarthSalute MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH
I just returned to the game with my buddy I got my load out ready but when I went to call in my shield backpack I realised it was a ballistic shield I don’t think I’m going to be able to emotionally recover from that
As a super citizen (Xbox user) I believe the shield should shield our divers no matter what is headed there way
My life for super earth
I think it would be cool if you could use your primary with it. Being limited to secondaries gimps you into using only a handful of options
Try using one handed primaries that works
@@Jmsgmng they can just make a slot in the shield so you can shoot a primary accurately. They aren’t forced to make the divers hole their gun with a pinky finger and thumb lol
@@jthablaidd just use a one handed weapon or don’t use the shield at all if it’s such a problem to use a different weapon, if you want to use a primary that uses two hands that bad then don’t use the shield it’s common sense 🤦🏾♂️.
The problem with the ballistic shield is that you'd have to overhaul so much of the game to make it work
So simply changing the way the shield works wouldn't be enough in your opinion? Interesting...
Shield does need a buff especially the TPose bug needs fixed still, since launch! Heck give a Varner of the shield that also has 1 resupply on it…. Make the shield actually viable and to have it being used on hillside would be fantastic!
For the bile I think it'd be great it if blocked it, as for the flame hulks I think it's fine that it doesn't
Eh, it’s perfect as it is on the bot front. Add a melee resistance, and it’s perfect for the bug side. Bile is such a niche part of the bugs, that I don’t think it’d make a difference.
It's just that it takes a whole stratagem slot. I feel like it needs buffs if I'm going to commit to it. If it was something u could find randomly on the map to use I'd say it's fine how it is
I love using the ballistic shield/crossbow when fighting the Automatons... with that being said, that's the only moment I bring this shield. Playing with the ballistic shield when fighting the Terminids is just useless, shields in general have difficulty keeping out claws from clipping the shield but the ballistic shield brings nothing of value on the bug front. I did see someone say a melee buff for the shield, it would make it so much more interesting to play with, in my opinion. Maybe tweak the first person view, so you can actually get an idea of where you're shooting at would also be great!
yes, that buff is very much necessary
😅 the devs did say Flames don't go through armor and Fences. So a shield is kind of like the same thing.
They need to drop the buggy already pc guys found it in files and put both that the mech and apc in their games before the first mech dropped. woulda preferred having multi manned vehicles over the mechs
Shield should be able to parry rockets, block bile, block fire, and be able to stop a charging charger in its tracks with a well timed parry like you’re Link from breath of the wild.
I don’t care if it’s not realistic, it’s cool as fuck
I feel as though the ability to protect from physical melee and ranged attacks would be good enough. Fire and bile protection don't make much sense for a riot shield that doesn't even give full cover.
I want a damn sword already! Preferably a chainsword!
Riot Shield is already really good! I use it on Super Helldive. But more buffs are good 😊
Buff it. I don't care what anyone else says because it seems like a must-have for dealing with hordes of ranged enemies.
Also, I am just going to jump on the bandwagon of people calling for melee weapons, because they would at least give any Helldivers who run out of ammunition in the field a fighting chance at survival until they can resupply.