Wasnt Yama technically the 5th priest? The big guy that Robin defeated. Or atleast you could see him as equivalemt to priests. On the same level in strenght and status.
A false god killed by true aka the god of rain mythical zoan Amaru the serpent and that mythical creature is similar to Dragon in every way lol oda is genius and the other god is chopper who shares similar traits to the god of forest 😂😂😂
at the end of hachinosu was it mentioned that "the incident that occurred in egghead will shake the world" or "what SH did on egghead will shake the world"? Depending on that Dragon might or might not be involved here.
Morj, the 5 subordinates theory would make a lot of sense if we add the fact that a lot of people think Urouge was originally one of Ennel’s priests. Maybe he also “betrayed” him. That would be amazing from Oda
Nope Oda has said that he made up the worst generation a couple of weeks before the actual chapter came out introducing them, so this is false. Unless Oda still wants to make him one even if it wasn't planned before.
I love the analysis, but I don’t think it’s going to be Ju Peter that will betray IMU. Based on the few lines of dialogue he has had, he seems very loyal to the world government and their cause, considering how he reacted to Luffy defeating Dolfamingo. We can rule out V’ Nasujuro given his remarks about the D- clan. I agree Walcury is the central figure of the Gorosei because he is the God of Justice. But, that leaves Marcus Mars. If you go and pay attention to his dialogue and even facial expressions, you can see that their is some level of hesitance and humanity to him. During O’Hara, when Clover was speaking to the Gorosei, it was Marcus Mars who was speaking to Clover and wasn’t even dead set on having him killed. He calmly asked Clover what he knows. Even during the most recent arc, he is even one of the few gorosei members to be hesitant about using the mother flame on Lulucia. Even in the big page spread with the gorosei, the way oda draws their eyes convey such anger and loyalty to IMU, except Marcus Mars. That small, minuscule detail just leads me to believe that he is the only Gorosei that has any semblance of humanity, and I don’t think he will betray the Gorosei, but I feel like he will gain some peace and freedom from the having to serve IMU once defeated.
I also think Ju Peter isn’t a likely traitor option because he’s the Godhead of Agriculture, which assumedly means he is responsible for issuing and decreeing the Heavenly Tribute that starves countless nations in One Piece as we’ve seen before, and is one of the biggest contributing factors to the Revolutionary Army’s existence and their widespread support in the first place. A huge running theme of One Piece is how important food is, and how particularly cruel it is to subject anybody to starvation (as was especially made clear in Wano), so the idea that the man who’s probably responsible for the worst example of mass starvation around the One Piece world is the secret good guy just kind of seems unlikely to me.
He also looks like Gon Fall lmao. But in all seriousness that is kinda weird that the two look so similar, and that Gon Fall betrayed God Enel back in skypiea.
Sanji was also involved with all three "dispatched" subordinates -Helped against Satori -Stalled Vergo -Is now the strongest character directly in front of Saturn
Yes, and he's also the one who dealt a significant blow against Enel's plan by sabotaging his ship. He has yet to fulfill what he said to Kuma back in Thriller Bark. Who knows, maybe he will prevent the great cleansing and have another "I needed a light" in front of Imu.
Sanji also fought against Doffy and Enel in order to save the weaker members of the crew so maybe he fights Imu momentarily in order to save someone.could be the weakling trio,Robin or perhaps Vivi but that could be a stretch
@@BlackangelKatakuri gathering up evidence, recognizing patterns and building a theory isn't luck. If Oda purposefully put these patterns and hints there and Morj caught them, it isn't luck.
Topman being the leader of the Gorosei or the strongest also fits because Mercury is the planet closest to the sun. Saturn is the furthest planet from the sun and Jay Garcia is the first to be involved directly with the events of the story. Also his name is Topman. Literally the man at the top
I believe Warcury and Gandhi is a parallel of Roger and Rayleigh. Warcury having the giant moustache and the angry expression similar to Roger's, and Gandhi is pretty obvious why I said he reminds me of Rayleigh.
@murphydaquan It's been shaping up to being my new favorite arc post-time-skip(assuming the ending is good) in that it is like Sabondy Archipeligo mixed with Punk Hazard which I really like the latter arc(very underrated).
This is really interesting. Regarding the traitor couldn’t Lili technically fill that role already? After all Corazon sacrificed himself so Law could be free. Just as Lili sacrificed herself for the world to be free. Just a thought.
I think the Corazon parallel is gonna be Zunesha, they'll be revealed to be Imus sibling, becoming Zunesha through some method we aren't privy too yet. We already know they betrayed somebody and was punished.
@@JackahoonaLaGuna I think that a sapient person's soul was put into Zunesha. Pure speculation based on narrative clues, just an out there theory. Ganesha is also said to be a Buddha-to-be and a lot of people regard him as an analogue for Buddha in Hinduism. There are a few connections in the mythology of the two spiritual practices that leads me to believe there is some sort of connection between Imu/Buddha and Zunesha. Of course that doesn't have to mean that what I think is right, it might be spun in an entirely different way, but I think the fun of theory's is finding some crazy out there guess on the future that is supported by the narrative, regardless of it ends up being accurate.
I think the straw hats just have one extra strong combatant now(jimbei), so Imu having an extra underling, when compared to past arcs, makes sense. We need to see the 1st Son of the Sea go all out.
Also to mention is that everyone of this army leader guys (so Wyper and Kyros) had the chance to challenge the main bad of their respective arcs directly and they both initially managed to kill the main antagonist. Wyper pretty much killed Eneru with the Impact Shell until he made his heart beat again via his DF and Kyros cut of Doffys head and supposedly killed him until he restitched his head again via his DF. That also indicates to me that Dragon will get a shot at fighting Imu and will be able to damage him in some way so that Imu is dead for a couple of seconds. Great video Morj!
Technically it was a string body double that got its head cut off, doflamingo is not immune to getting decapitated lol but this is a great point! Can’t wait to see what dragon will do
@@juicebox_824 Yeah that’s true, thanks for correcting me in that aspect, wasn’t really sure how everything played out exactly. However, the point still remains that Oda made it in both cases seem like that the main bad got killed, even though we as readers always knew that this can’t be the case
Just from the title, this is what ive also been thinking. What with the narrator telling us this incident will 'flip the world on its head' or whatever, I was thinking it would have something to do with Saturn either being revealed to the world, or being defeated by the strawhats
Duuude, awesome analysis... one common factor that contribute to the first evil's defeat is Sanji, whom also fight with vergo.. and the reason he lost .. now it has been hinted as a strength of his, his haki and resistance. The scale is what makes this kinda weird.. we will see what happens, bc the traitor might be the marines themselves instead of the gorosei... Akainu, crazy as he is, might ally with luffy after seeing the great cleansin taking action and realizing his own ideals that would parallel with Ohara.. are in fact misguided bc if you destroy the entire world, what are you protecting as a Marine and from whom? i'm guessing Coby and Smoker could be top players in that change of view
Sanji will clash with Saturn as he clashed with Vergo and Satori and Doflamingo. After that, either he plays a role in his defeat/death if Morj is correct, or Oda will give us a glimpse of what he said back in Thriller Bark: Sanji will deal a major blow to the WG in the final war.
Another interesting parallel that might play out either in Egghead or in the final war during the confrontation involves Sanji. Sanji clashed with both Satori and Vergo and is right now present when Bonnie is attacking Saturn. There's a 99% chance that when Saturn hits back Sanji will defend her and engage Saturn. Which leads me to what he said to Kuma back in thriller bark: Sanji will play a significant role against Imu as he did against Enel by sabotaging the ship (perhaps this time by preventing the great cleansing)
Do you think there’s a chance Sanji could somehow beat Saturn, to show his growth from not being able to defeat Virgo? I’m still holding out the gorosei are actually high yonko commander level.
@@TheSpectr Oda loves giving Sanji cool moments as much as giving him L moments. He could get his exoskeleton bent (like Yonji's) to show how much of a threat Saturn is and mirroring the leg crack against Vergo, which happened right after his cool moment saving Tashigi (and might happen right after saving Bonney this time). But Sanji has never taken out a threat of this level this early, so he'll definitely be taking an L if he does engage in the fight.
Sani didn't beat Vergo and didn't beat Saori by himself So no, it was never expected that he will beat Saturn if we are going by the previous arcs@@TheSpectr
I could imagine Dragon being the one to defeat Saturn in Egghead. He's probably been waiting for one of the Five Elders to appear in public for a long time.
How’s he going to get there?? He’s in the Kamabakka Kingdom which is in Paradise. Egghead is in the New World and they don’t have Kuma to send him there
Lmao just kidding, but yeah man I definitely agree. If he doesn’t show up on egghead I can’t help but think that would be a huge missed opportunity on Dragon’s part.
How would he even know that Saturn is here? Maybe he can guess that Kuma is going to Egghead since he has a connection, and VP told Dragon he was gonna die but Dragon is in Paradise rn. He'd have to be faster than Kuma to arrive there before Luffy can get up to defeat Saturn
@@YokaiGotha I hold Dragon to a high standard, so I could only hope that he would know about something as HUGE as a Gorosei leaving Marie Joise. I mean goddamn, getting a Gorosei in a position where he could be attacked is like the biggest break Dragon would ever get in terms of forwarding the revolution. If he’s totally unaware of this happening then I’m finally selling my Dragon stocks lmao, especially with his connection to VP 😂
static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/0c/Ingresso_prove.png/revision/latest?cb=20171028081945&path-prefix=it even at this picture, there is this one small stone, closed, different then others. It shouldnt be there, its not symmetric. Like Oda foreshadowing us, there is one missing already. So Urouge from his crew named FALLEN MONK pirates. Crazy.
If Saturn falls here on Egghead against the Strawhats, then I suspect Imu and the Elders are gonna be defeated sooner than we think. Oda has had this trend in the New World to introduce a group that battles the Strawhats, and when that subordinate loses than the following arc the leader of the group is defeated. Baby 5/Machvise fight and lose against Franky in Punk Hazard Doffy next arc. Big Mom pirates confront Strawhats in a naval battle in Dressrosa, Big Mom next arc (which wound up being more of a technical loss than a legit one, that would come after Whole Cake) Beast Pirates confront Strawhats in Zou/ right before Whole Cake, Kaido next arc. So Saturn is defeated/dies, Imu in turn loses the next arc leaving a power vacuum that Blackbeard can capitalize off of is the way I can see things going.
Zoro vs. Nusjuro seems like a given. But I do think that Dragon will fight Imu instead of an Elder, as the final war equivalent to Wyper and Law, the two people who have the most personal motivation to defeat the false god and has planned for it from the start. Wyper and Law both also have sceenes of them seemingly killing Enel and Doffy by attacking their hearts, only for the false gods to use their abilities to revive themselves. Dragon will give a good fight, but Luffy ultimate has to bring the dawn. If Dragon needs a win before this, he could show off against someone like Kong or Garling. For the opponents of Warcury and Mars, I'd wager the biggest contenders are Sabo, the flame of the revolution, and Koby, the future of the Marines, or Kid and Law, the most prominent Supernova after Luffy and was integral in defeating an emperor of the sea.
I like the Sabo with Ace's Will defeating Akainu theory. Zoro vs Sword using Gorosei is obvious & Dragon Almost Killing Imu would be awesome. Egghead feels more like it is going to be closer to Ohara than Punk Hazard & I'm expecting someone to sacrifice themselves so that the Straw Hats & a couple of others can get away. Next year we are probably going to Elbaf, although I expect Eneru & the Moon to come into play again somehow.
There is a theory that Urouge was Enel's 5th priest. There is also the panel that shows the Ordeal Paths and there seems to be a path that was destroyed. Also the fact that Urouge seems to have a scar on his face which could be where Enel attacked him after he disobeyed him most likely after Urouge got his Devil Fruit power and tried fighting back.
With Saturn being a very blatant devil-inspired presence in the story, V. Nusjuro being Zoro's opponent is nearly confirmed to me. Zoro being the king of hell, wanting his name to be heard even in heaven, would be accomplished in both respects by taking down the devil who rules in the land of god. The final saga is gearing up to be incredible!
I remember that Saturn was not sent by anyone other than himself as he actively took the initiative to solve the problem because it is his area of expertise. Regarding how the last member will act, I would say that he will be the wild card of the group since he will be defeated twice: in battle, for being the member with the least battle prowess (probably due to some type of eccentricity that he has in his personality, or in the dynamics of his demonic power/devil fruit); and in his seriousness, since the other two were significantly defeated by some element of comedy (Gedatsu was defeated due to his clumsiness, while Trebol did not consider Usopp a danger in the fight against Sugar). So... maybe it will be a toony fight about a senile man using "old and rigid" methods of battle against a bunch of kids (Chopper, Usopp and Luffy) overcoming each one with creativity and plasticity, like some sort of dnd campaing.
Kizaru may mirror smoker in a way then. Both are Logia Users and Smoker was present on Punk Hazard as well as a marine. Smoker in Loguetown was portrayed as an insurmountable Obstacle at the end of the East Blue Saga just like Kizaru was at the end of the Paradise Saga. Smoker in the Third Saga on Punk Hazard, didn't seem as insurmountable anymore just as Kizaru does in in the Fourth Saga (if you count East Blue as a saga).
The parallel that I see with Kizaru playing out involves Kuma. He told Kuma in Saboady that he better had a good excuse because this was huge. If Saturn dies, Kizaru will not have another option other than to execute him and perhaps Sentomaru too. Kuma survive last time. This one he won't.
Comparing An Admiral and Just a Captain is not good enough, Kizaru is still stronger than Smoker, he's just unlucky to fight Gear 5 Luffy. Smoker is too overwhelmed when he enters the New World, he was also too unlucky to fight Doflamingo who ridicullously powerful. But one thing for sure, Kizaru's gonna report to Marine HQ and tells Akainu how much powerful Luffy now since he got his ass beaten. Also, he's the only Golden Trio of Admiral left since Akainu got promoted to be Fleet Admiral and Aokiji left Marine. Even the newest Admirals which are Fujitora and Aramaki also totally overpowered but so far, all I see is Aramaki is the weakest newest Admiral since he also got easily beaten by not so experience fighter Momonosuke, Yamato and also Red Scarrabs.
After watching this video I'm pretty sure it was suposed to be 6 Gorosei intead of 5. The argument for Corazon being the fifth missing member of Doflamingo's subordinates makes perfect sense and we have the same pattern of being betrayed by someone that was very close to them on IMU's side of the story. He was betrayed by Nefertari Lily. Lily might very well be someone Imu wanted as part of his subordinates, or even more than that, maybe she was supposed to be the Queen, ruling the world besides him. But she betrayed him and spread the Poneiglyphs around the world. Following this idea, I believe one of the Gorosei is gonna present to us a storyline that we haven't seen yet.
Hey there, Rereading this comment I had long forgotten about lol. I believe I just uncounciously assumed Imu's gender when writing this comment 'cause I wasn't (and still am not) sure of Imu's gender. I have to say Imu gives me a strong impression of being a he though. I guess I was just so focused on conveying my POV about the theory at the time I didn't realize I tagged Imu as a he.
Would the fourth subordinate be defeated by someone who is a doctor? If memory serves, Gedatsu was defeated by Chopper, and Trebol defeated by Law. That would mean one of the Gorosei would be defeated by a doctor also. Thoughts?
Chopper to defeat a Gorosei confirmed 🔥 after all, the two remaining Gorosei is for justice and environment. If Dragon gets Justice, someone who is a doctor or something also environment/health conscious would get the other (Chopper 😜)
It is important to remember that Imu is not merely a parallel to Enel and Doflamingo. He's an upgraded version of them. So Imu having 5 subordinates can simply be a way to show that he's superior to them, who only had 4
I think the current issue is luffy has already been getting powerups every arc, and yet he's set up to be the underdog against just one of the gorosei. I don't think it will make sense for luffy to just win. I think what should maybe happen is another training arc of sorts (maybe on elbaf) to bring the rest of the crew up to par.
We still don't know what the Blackbeard Pirates are doing in Egghead or where in the island they are, so that's another factor to consider, maybe the Straw Hats get an L with Saturn, but manage to tire him so we get some Blackbeard shenanigans
I feel like if Zoro fights a Gorosei, then its only natural for Sanji to as well, especially if he gets defeated by Saturn at Egghead since it looks like theyre about to fight as of 1094, bro deserves to prove his growth. This could also fit Jinbe in as Luffys 3rd commander, while Dragon, the revs supreme commander, fight Garling, the supreme commander of Gods Knights. Someone like Sabo or Law could also get involved with Topman or Mars
There's something missing both in Skypie and Dressrosa: Sanji didn't really had a major/significant fight against one of the main subordinates of the main villain during the end of the arc. So my guess is that the final saga/war will bring all of the scattered elements together along these lines: - Sanji engages one of "god"'s subordinates = Saturn before he kills Bonnie. - Sanji sabotages/deals a major blow to "god"'s plan = Stop the great cleansing, probably and facing Imu directly to give him/her the middle finger like with Enel. - Sanji gains important information from a woman related to "god" = this could be Bonnie already. - Sanji fights and defeats one of "god's" subordinates (Satori in Skypie) = since it is unlikely that it will be Saturn in Egghead, it will probably be one of the remaining gorosei.
I felt that Trebol was may scarier than Diamante, who revealed to only be a big mouth. Trebol was disgusting and no match for Law but this last point would have been also the case for any other of Doflamingo's lieutenants.
I think that dragon would actually fight mars instead (assuming he isnt the traitor) Why? Mars was the one who approved the buster call on ohara, the incident which, as we saw in egghead, was the breaking point for dragon and what triggered him to create the revolutionary army. Because of that, itd be poetic for him to take down the man responsible
About the Traitor in Skypiea I saw a post talking about how there were 5 paths but 1 was closed or sunken, The Title card of episode 160 after OP and recap, Chapter 245.
Can we just take a moment to realize how much has led up to this very moment of seeing a Goroseis true form. Could anyone have imagined this is how they would play out? Them being literal demon henchmen to a world ruling Devil? No one could have predicted this kind of story when we first started reading One Piece.
@greatvictory9243 smh yes we all know the building blocks of storytelling. I'm saying did YOU or anyone predict the gorosei and all the SPECIFIC story elements of One Piece would come to this conclusion/route??
I understand the foreshadowing for Saturn’s death, but I don’t know how you handle the fallout What happens to Kizaru and the Straw Hats?? That’s not something the WG can cover up and let slide. They have to throw everything they have at the Straw Hats at that point and I think that puts too much of a rush on the upcoming arcs of Elbaf and Laugh Tail. Plus Kizaru failing to protect Saturn must have severe consequences for him I feel like killing him now on egg head would be really putting your foot on the gas and get things moving much faster than I think makes sense given the current pacing
This is why they go too elbaf. Elbaf is a island of warriors, they don't have any more Mother flames, it's Shanks territory, meaning they'd be fighting a yonko alliance, and who could they possibly send too handle that issue.
There is a common trope in anime that when a character shows off their powers, they get offed shortly after. Since Saturn is already in his awakened state, Oda is either building up the Gorosei as a true threat or building up Saturns demise or both.
Interesting, although the number of seats increasing might also be due to just having more strawhats in need of opponents. I can easily see Jimbe having personal beef with a seat on behalf of all fishmen enough to warrant a major fight for instance. Another interesting thing, in both cases this 1st defeated seat was NOT defeated by Luffy. In one it was Law and the other Sanji. So good chance Luffy will not fight Saturn at all, and it will fall to someone else to take them out. Law I suppose could mean it could be Bonney, both being from the generation and characters who came with the arc, or well Sanji as he's right there. In fact, that we have both in this particular fight is interesting. Maybe it will be a tag team take down.
I've just said this to another guy, but bonnie is not killing Saturn like cmon man. If she does it would be dogshit writing by oda, I can't even wrap my head around how he could possibly write a plausible way for her to kill him
I may be wrong, or someone may have already mentioned tthis,but Doflamingo isn't supposed to have five seats, he only ever has or intends to have 4, one for each card set. Vergo is the Heart seat during the whole rise to power of Doffy and only vacates the seat when joining the marines as a spy, coincidentally then being replaced by Corazon who returns to the fold as a spy for the marines. They were never present in tandem. He then vacates the Heart seat when he reveals his true allegiances, and Doffy teases Law with the knowledge that the Heart seat could have become his, so this parallel doesn't work at all. As for why he never promoted another heart seat, I don't know, maybe there was some remorse in there after all. but regardless, there are some other interesting parallels you raise.
Vergo replaced Rocinante as Corazon, making him one of the official five servants of Doflamingo. That said, he was killed on Punk Hazard, by a deadpan ally of the Straw Hats, in retaliation for a father figure, and in a Sci-Fi Horror setting. This perfectly parallels how we not only think Bonnie will kill Saturn on Egghead, but also WHY she'll kill him.
Maybe the common thread between Gedatsu and Trebol is that the most recent addition to the Strawhats on their adventures will be the one to take the final member down. Vivi decided to return to Alabasta and Robin was just riding along with the Strawhats to avoid marine capture, which means that Chopper was the one to defeat Gedatsu, while in Dressrosa though Law isn’t and never intends to be a Strawhat, he did join the crew through an alliance meaning he was technically a part of them and he was the one to defeat Trebol. So it’s possible that the one who is going to defeat St. Mars would be either Jimbei, Bonney (if she joins the crew), or someone else who formed an alliance with the Strawhats, most likely Sabo, which are the best choices in my opinion to defeat one of the Gorosei, as each have a strong antagonistic connection to them. Jimbei being a Fishman, whose people are always subjected and desired as toys to the Celestial Dragons, Bonney because her mother and adoptive father’s lives were enslaved and ruined by the rule of the Celestial Dragons, and Sabo for being a victim of them his entire life between his parents forcing him to act a certain way to impress them which including throwing all morals out the window and almost being killed by one who had the small boat he was on destroyed just because he didn’t like the looks of it and hated that a kid was ‘in the way’ of his arrival and of course he’s now being pinned for a murder of royalty that the Gorosei had committed themselves. Honestly, if this is Oda’s plan then that will probably lead to one of the most gratifying face offs in the entire series. My money is on Sabo. On a thematic level it's the most appropriate regarding Sabo's character and the Hero's Journey he's been on since first introduced through Luffy's flashbacks. Went from being born into an upper-class family that revolved their lives around the Celestial Dragons' influence, to freeing himself from that life and almost being killed by a Celestial Dragon as a result, to being saved by the man who is fighting against them, to having an intense motivation to finally take them down after their Warlords system and the marines under their influence caused the death of his brother, Ace, to discovering the truth behind Imu and being framed by the Gorosei for their own actions, to being hailed as a Messiah of Revolution, to now the inevitable alliance with the Strawhats to protect the only brother/family he has left leading to the final confrontation that will define the future of the world itself. Without even realizing it, Oda has been building up Sabo's character arc from the very beginning and I hope I'm right, because him defeating a Gorosei to liberate the world from their rule after it defined him since the day that he was born would be the perfect ending to his arc, and make him without a doubt one of One Piece's, possibly even one of fiction's own, best characters of all time!
Sanji (Possible Kuma or Dragon Cameo ) fights Saturn Zoro with ( possible Mihawk cameo) fights Nusjuro Dragon fights Ju Peter Sabo, Aokiji, or Blackbeard fights Warcury Mars will be the one to betray the five elders and will be defeated by IMU.
So this is why you're so confident Kizaru would be a turncoat in some capacity (ya'know, besides all the characterization in recent chapters): the White Berets in Skypeia, Fujitora in Dressrosa (even Smoker in Punk Hazard), unlikely allies are found in previous enemies due to god's harsh justice .
11:50 Doflamingo was not supposed to have 5 subordinates, it was always 4, as there are only 4 suits (hearts, spades, clubs, and diamonds). Vergo simply replaced Rosinante as the hearts (hence the codename "Corazon", which means "heart" in Spanish). After Rosinante died, Vergo was the new Corazon.
It's the other way around, Vergo was the first heart seat. Then when Vergo went undercover in the marines, Rosinante became the new Heart Seat. As such, Doflamingo had 5 Elite officers: the 4 Seats + Vergo who was the "hidden" elite officer on the same level of authority as the 4 seats. This is shown in the Doflamingo Family hierarchy breakdown that Oda depicted early in Dressrosa. Now, once Rosinante betrayed Doflamingo and died, that left one empty seat, which leads us to today where Doflamingo has only 4 elite officers, Vergo, Pica, Diamante, and Trebol. However, the point is that he should have 5, there are supposed to be 4 suits + Vergo. It's just that the Heart seat has simply remained empty since Rosinante's death, because Law never took it.
I think another parallel worth looking after is between this final arc and baroque works'/alabasta. Imu is a ruler from the shadow just like crocodile, before arriving at their final destination the strawhats will have to go to an island of giants and an island of science (bit of a stretch, but medicine was subsidized by the government there), baroque works did send their agents and we also have 2 traitors (vivi and bon chan, which I think will be paralelled by cody (which like vivi will have to actually be the link to unite the world against the world government) and the young gorosei guy or someone else possibly). And lastly, the biggest links probably, is that crocodile was after ancient weapons and usurped the power of a nefertari! (Just like it seems imu had links to the nefertari dinasty) I don't think the parallels are as fleshed out as dressrosa, or as direct/linear as skypea, but I think it could be something worth analysing
12:09 - And I don’t think Ju Peter is gonna be the Traitor and the reason I say this is Because Ju Peter looks like he could be Marcus Mars Son, and if not Son, Nephew Nusjuro is a possibility as he is probably originally from Wano, however that would knock him out the bunch and not Give Zoro a Good Fight if he Betrays, so it’s hard to say who will Defect, Unless Nusjuro has a Face Turn during his Fight with Zoro, then that would make a bit more sense, the other reason I say Ju Peter won’t Defect is because he looks like he’d be The Perfect Match Up to Fight Sanji, but if he’s somehow related to Marcus and due to the relation probably have similar Fighting Styles, then I guess Sanji could also fight Marcus instead 13:35 - Another Correction… Enel did have 5, That Big Guy Robin Fought was The Fifth Guy 14:06 - But since you Entered Dragon into Fight one of The Gorosei instead of Who I Thought he was going to Fight, then I believe that none of them will betray the same or similar way Corazon did, they will all be loyal, as they are the initial Legion for Imu, Perfect Bodies to Represent The One at The Top, I mean they wouldn’t have been Soo structurally sound for so long if they weren’t, but if one Defects it will be after some sort of Metaphorical Awakening in Themselves after Fighting whoever they fight, and they will only briefly be able to help the rebels as they were already defeated by whoever they fought
A pentagram usually means there's a ritual going on or beforehand. This is a weird detail since there's no devil fruit that needs a ritual to activate its power. St Garcia's power may not be his but just a power that Imu has given him, that's why there's no df info when he was shown (they even showed Kaido's df when he was officially introduced). And if Imu is capable of giving powers to others, maybe he's actually the one who created devil fruits in the first place. Zoans have a will of their own so maybe he turned his enemies, the D clan into devil fruits.
Maybe my memory isn’t what it used to be but I sure as hell don’t remember Kaido’s DF being shown when he was first introduced. First time his fruit was named was by Big Mom in Wano if I remember correctly.
I had an idea that imu gave the gorosei the original 5 “devil” fruits, and joy boy made a version of them that was based on dreams and not nightmares. Imu could have switched the moniker “devil” to joy boys fruits to portray them as the villains
for the final match up, I could see Dragon taking the fight to imu, and doing well, but ultimately failing. and yeah he could get topman. But as for Marcus Mars, I could honestly see him being Usopp's matchup. Mars is the godhead of agriculture, and Usopp fights with plants. If he does get a major power up in elbaf, he could honestly hold his own against them. It could also be a jump, the weakling trio beating one of the gorosei. After that, I think it would be cool if during the Luffy vs Imu fight, Luffy gets knocked down like Luffy vs Lucci, but Usopp intervenes and fights Imu, knowing full well that he might lose. Just buying time for Luffy to get back up to hit Imu with a Bajrang Gatling.
I think the parallel of seats works even better with Boroque works. There being 5 in the beginning. The straw hats defeat a single seat Mr3 and his partner. Then leaving 4 who they fight and eventually Mr2 the only one without a partner(The only one who was different from the others) decides to help them in the end.
Baroque Works was a lot larger & more complicated. There were supposedly at least 14 Pairs if you count Crocodile as 0 & Robin as Miss All Sunday. Friday & 13 were the lowest pair of significance that were above the Billions. 1 & Doublefinger (New Years), Bon Clay was alone, 3 & Golden Week, 4 & Christmas with the Dog were the main pairs throughout much of Alabasta. Zoro killed the 1st Mr 7 before the series started & then a 2nd 7 was guarding the bomb in Alubarna that Pel flew off with. The 8&9 Pairs betray the organization at Whiskey Peak. Gorosei, Priests, & Seats don't have internal hierarchy with them appearing to be equals underneath their leader.
Wasn’t it stated at the beginning of the arc that whatever happens on Egghead shocks the entire world ? What if the robot Luffy woke up with Gear 5 somehow ends up drowning Saturn in the ocean, giving the straw hats the opening they need to escape. That’s my theory anyway.
Great theory, I also has the same thinking here.. That the robot would play some role in egghead.. Somehow maybe it would activated by luffy or nika heartbeat
why does everyone keep talking about gear 5 waking up the robot like it's a fact, we literally don't know a single thing about that robot or why it's eyes lit up
Mars being the agriculture war god could mean he commits some sort of injustice relating to pestilence or starvation. That could point to Sanji's central themes or Chopper's.
Dragon does look a lot like Wiper. So the parallel makes sense. Another thing is Sanji is directly in the mix in all 3 instances. He was fighting Satori, Vergo, and now it looks like Saturn too.
Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought that Doflamingo only had 4 seats (one for each suit of playing cards, with Doffy representing the Joker), and the Heart Seat simply did some passing back and forth between Corazon and Vergo based on who was around and available to do it? As far as I understand: 1.) Vergo was the original Heart Seat 2.) Corazon returns to Doffy after their separation (and after Corazon had become a secret Marine operative) 3.) Vergo abdicates the Heart Seat to Corazon and then spends 3 years joining the marines as a double agent. 4.) Corazon betrays Doffy and is killed, leaving the Heart Seat once again open for Vergo to take Hope I’m wrong though cause I really love this theory
You are right but that is still 5 people, it’s like morj said there is one who is sent out to do certain things (like jay coming to egghead or vergo going to punk hazard) when corazon was the heart seat doffy had 5 headliners and law was supposed to fill that seat when he died, not vergo
There is actually a pattern for the 3rd member, they are all defeated by their own mess ups: Gedatsu was defeated by losing his Foot Dial. Trebol was defeated by exploding his own mucus around him. The 3rd Gorosei member might also get defeated the same way. They might mess up. It would be fun if the opponent they face is God Ussop.
The thing about the Doflamingo's Five Seats line of thinking is, Vergo and Rosinante were never Seats at the same time. Doflamingo always had four seats - one for each suit in a deck of cards. Vergo abdicated his seat to Rosi after he left to infiltrate the Marines, and then later takes it up again (still undercover) after Rosi is exposed as a traitor himself. So, I'd argue the Gorosei are actually the odd ones out on the numbers front in this case. Which does not preclude the idea of one of them turning traitor and making the numbers even, of course, but I think using Rosinante as a forerunner for that doesn't quite work.
This is different, with the raid there was no narrative or thematic reason for the raid to fail. Where as if the won it would make the Gorose look like bitches.
2 people who worked togather to Kill Eneru were initially introduced in the arc as enemies/hostility towards each other (Luffy and Wyper) 2 people who worked togather to Kill Doffy were introduced as enemies/Hostility towards each other (Luffy and Law). Are we going to see Luffy and Blackbeard temporarily working togather to defeat Imu? Just my theory based on parallels.
Nah no chance, wyper, kyros, law were actually good persons who was trying save their country ( and law was trying to get revenge) but Blackbeard is pure evil he's not trying to save anyone and luffy will never work with someone who killed his brother
The old books were great because of a lot of the same reasons you pointed out. His novels brought him to many different places of the old world and we saw a glimpse of just about every faction. One interesting thing about his relation to Grimnir is that upon finding dwarf god’s axe he was slowly starting to be imbued with power, which is why he could never die. *Spoiler* at the end of his last old world novel, he meets Grimnir and takes his place in the realm of chaos. So in a way, he kinda is a stand in for the slayer god.
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Where do the admirals fall then?
Hurogue is the one that betrayed enel
Good video, it is kinda of weird that in One Piece storyline repeat so much but yet feel excited and interesting.
There's a certain Wost Generation Monk that has close ties with Enel. That likely makes him a traitor to Enel.
No
Enel could have had 5 priests, if Urouge was from Birka and he left on his own after disobeying God.
you beat me to it
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Wasnt Yama technically the 5th priest? The big guy that Robin defeated. Or atleast you could see him as equivalemt to priests. On the same level in strenght and status.
IF MA D. MONK DOESN'T GET HIS BACKSTORY SOON I'm gonna be pissed.
@@samuellaakso7012He was a general, not a priest.
If it wasn't for the raid fail fiasco, this man would have the reputation for the best theories.
Saturn just died. Man your observations haki is top notch🔥😭🙌🏿
If Dragon kills Saturn, it will officially be the greatest introduction of a hyped character in One Piece history.
A false god killed by true aka the god of rain mythical zoan Amaru the serpent and that mythical creature is similar to Dragon in every way lol oda is genius and the other god is chopper who shares similar traits to the god of forest 😂😂😂
at the end of hachinosu was it mentioned that "the incident that occurred in egghead will shake the world" or "what SH did on egghead will shake the world"? Depending on that Dragon might or might not be involved here.
We need this
Not really a introduction
While cool, that would just put a bigger question mark on why they waited so long.
Morj, the 5 subordinates theory would make a lot of sense if we add the fact that a lot of people think Urouge was originally one of Ennel’s priests. Maybe he also “betrayed” him. That would be amazing from Oda
Give this person more likes please. Pure genius.
Or like Vergo was sent out to infiltrate another "world". Which for Vergo would be the Navy and for Urouge be the Earth.
And it would be fitting to get his backstory right at the end when the final villain is the "god" of the blue sea.
Nope Oda has said that he made up the worst generation a couple of weeks before the actual chapter came out introducing them, so this is false. Unless Oda still wants to make him one even if it wasn't planned before.
Considering Urouge is the only Nova with no real back story. I am hoping on it
I love the analysis, but I don’t think it’s going to be Ju Peter that will betray IMU. Based on the few lines of dialogue he has had, he seems very loyal to the world government and their cause, considering how he reacted to Luffy defeating Dolfamingo. We can rule out V’ Nasujuro given his remarks about the D- clan. I agree Walcury is the central figure of the Gorosei because he is the God of Justice. But, that leaves Marcus Mars. If you go and pay attention to his dialogue and even facial expressions, you can see that their is some level of hesitance and humanity to him. During O’Hara, when Clover was speaking to the Gorosei, it was Marcus Mars who was speaking to Clover and wasn’t even dead set on having him killed. He calmly asked Clover what he knows. Even during the most recent arc, he is even one of the few gorosei members to be hesitant about using the mother flame on Lulucia. Even in the big page spread with the gorosei, the way oda draws their eyes convey such anger and loyalty to IMU, except Marcus Mars. That small, minuscule detail just leads me to believe that he is the only Gorosei that has any semblance of humanity, and I don’t think he will betray the Gorosei, but I feel like he will gain some peace and freedom from the having to serve IMU once defeated.
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I also think Ju Peter isn’t a likely traitor option because he’s the Godhead of Agriculture, which assumedly means he is responsible for issuing and decreeing the Heavenly Tribute that starves countless nations in One Piece as we’ve seen before, and is one of the biggest contributing factors to the Revolutionary Army’s existence and their widespread support in the first place.
A huge running theme of One Piece is how important food is, and how particularly cruel it is to subject anybody to starvation (as was especially made clear in Wano), so the idea that the man who’s probably responsible for the worst example of mass starvation around the One Piece world is the secret good guy just kind of seems unlikely to me.
Could also be Topman, cuz he also showed signs of care, but then switched to opposite remarks real quick to keep facade. Hard to tell tbh.
@@Lyu-Phy yeah, I noticed that too upon re reading. We will see, but I just can’t get over the look that Mars gives. Only time will tell
He also looks like Gon Fall lmao. But in all seriousness that is kinda weird that the two look so similar, and that Gon Fall betrayed God Enel back in skypiea.
Sanji was also involved with all three "dispatched" subordinates
-Helped against Satori
-Stalled Vergo
-Is now the strongest character directly in front of Saturn
Yes, and he's also the one who dealt a significant blow against Enel's plan by sabotaging his ship. He has yet to fulfill what he said to Kuma back in Thriller Bark. Who knows, maybe he will prevent the great cleansing and have another "I needed a light" in front of Imu.
What a drag 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sanji also fought against Doffy and Enel in order to save the weaker members of the crew so maybe he fights Imu momentarily in order to save someone.could be the weakling trio,Robin or perhaps Vivi but that could be a stretch
He gets ko’d instantly 😂
one of the strongest members of straw hat
Bro how does he knows every thing , does this man hides under odas bed (saturn died in chp1125)
God I should’ve known how much FACTOR intertwined with the core plot. Morj does it again.
This prediction aged like wine,congrats man
HOW DOES THIS MAN KEEP GETTING THINGS RIGHT?
Obviously sleeps under Oda's bed, only right answer now.
He said that Saturn dies ON egghead
It's called luck , he isn't right about everything.
@@BlackangelKatakuri gathering up evidence, recognizing patterns and building a theory isn't luck. If Oda purposefully put these patterns and hints there and Morj caught them, it isn't luck.
@@BlackangelKatakuri it aint just luck. he literally gave all the evidence
this aged well
Ayo. Looks like I'm not alone rewatching this. Spot on, bro.
This aged perfectly, the next question is who is the traitor?
Bro had a vision 😭
Ok this time the raid did not fail
Bro predicated the future 💀
Topman being the leader of the Gorosei or the strongest also fits because Mercury is the planet closest to the sun. Saturn is the furthest planet from the sun and Jay Garcia is the first to be involved directly with the events of the story. Also his name is Topman. Literally the man at the top
I believe Warcury and Gandhi is a parallel of Roger and Rayleigh. Warcury having the giant moustache and the angry expression similar to Roger's, and Gandhi is pretty obvious why I said he reminds me of Rayleigh.
Ten months from the future: BE PREPARED!!!!!😂
Man, Egghead has been phenomenal. One Piece has been weekly for 26 years, and it's arguably better than it's ever been. Good Ol' Goda😁
It's the worst arc by far along with Wano
@murphydaquan It's been shaping up to being my new favorite arc post-time-skip(assuming the ending is good) in that it is like Sabondy Archipeligo mixed with Punk Hazard which I really like the latter arc(very underrated).
@@lukerne9260 I know this is your opinion, but I find it hard to believe. Egghead the worst arc? Are you serious?
@@lukerne9260Wano had its good and bad and Oda definitely rushed the ending he himself admitted this but Egghead been great you buggin
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This is really interesting. Regarding the traitor couldn’t Lili technically fill that role already? After all Corazon sacrificed himself so Law could be free. Just as Lili sacrificed herself for the world to be free. Just a thought.
I think the Corazon parallel is gonna be Zunesha, they'll be revealed to be Imus sibling, becoming Zunesha through some method we aren't privy too yet. We already know they betrayed somebody and was punished.
@@Alaspooryorick98 Or that Zunesha will be like Law and a sibling of one of the Gorosei, so they have a motive for revenge
@@Alaspooryorick98what do you mean becoming zunesha? Oda stated that zunesha is a creature with its own species, and he’s not the only one remains
@@JackahoonaLaGuna I think that a sapient person's soul was put into Zunesha. Pure speculation based on narrative clues, just an out there theory.
Ganesha is also said to be a Buddha-to-be and a lot of people regard him as an analogue for Buddha in Hinduism. There are a few connections in the mythology of the two spiritual practices that leads me to believe there is some sort of connection between Imu/Buddha and Zunesha. Of course that doesn't have to mean that what I think is right, it might be spun in an entirely different way, but I think the fun of theory's is finding some crazy out there guess on the future that is supported by the narrative, regardless of it ends up being accurate.
I think the straw hats just have one extra strong combatant now(jimbei), so Imu having an extra underling, when compared to past arcs, makes sense. We need to see the 1st Son of the Sea go all out.
"Go all out" makes perfect sense. Who's who was so weak. We didn't get to see Jimbei's full strength
Also to mention is that everyone of this army leader guys (so Wyper and Kyros) had the chance to challenge the main bad of their respective arcs directly and they both initially managed to kill the main antagonist. Wyper pretty much killed Eneru with the Impact Shell until he made his heart beat again via his DF and Kyros cut of Doffys head and supposedly killed him until he restitched his head again via his DF. That also indicates to me that Dragon will get a shot at fighting Imu and will be able to damage him in some way so that Imu is dead for a couple of seconds. Great video Morj!
Technically it was a string body double that got its head cut off, doflamingo is not immune to getting decapitated lol but this is a great point! Can’t wait to see what dragon will do
@@juicebox_824 Yeah that’s true, thanks for correcting me in that aspect, wasn’t really sure how everything played out exactly. However, the point still remains that Oda made it in both cases seem like that the main bad got killed, even though we as readers always knew that this can’t be the case
Kyros only cut a string clone, IIRC.
Kyros only beheaded a string clone, but the pattern still tracks, both leaders have had a moment where it's _seemed_ like they killed the big bad.
So what you're saying is phase 2 of this bossfight is going to be absolutely nuts
Just from the title, this is what ive also been thinking. What with the narrator telling us this incident will 'flip the world on its head' or whatever, I was thinking it would have something to do with Saturn either being revealed to the world, or being defeated by the strawhats
Duuude, awesome analysis... one common factor that contribute to the first evil's defeat is Sanji, whom also fight with vergo.. and the reason he lost .. now it has been hinted as a strength of his, his haki and resistance. The scale is what makes this kinda weird.. we will see what happens, bc the traitor might be the marines themselves instead of the gorosei... Akainu, crazy as he is, might ally with luffy after seeing the great cleansin taking action and realizing his own ideals that would parallel with Ohara.. are in fact misguided bc if you destroy the entire world, what are you protecting as a Marine and from whom? i'm guessing Coby and Smoker could be top players in that change of view
Nah luffy aint working with him ,he is not naruto and sabo is not forgiving ,he will burn him to death lol
I don't think Akainu would ally with Luffy I honestly think he would try to take on both the pirates and the world government at the same time.
Sanji will clash with Saturn as he clashed with Vergo and Satori and Doflamingo. After that, either he plays a role in his defeat/death if Morj is correct, or Oda will give us a glimpse of what he said back in Thriller Bark: Sanji will deal a major blow to the WG in the final war.
Sakazuki won't ally with Luffy but he will betray Imu and turn against everyone
Another interesting parallel that might play out either in Egghead or in the final war during the confrontation involves Sanji.
Sanji clashed with both Satori and Vergo and is right now present when Bonnie is attacking Saturn. There's a 99% chance that when Saturn hits back Sanji will defend her and engage Saturn.
Which leads me to what he said to Kuma back in thriller bark: Sanji will play a significant role against Imu as he did against Enel by sabotaging the ship (perhaps this time by preventing the great cleansing)
Do you think there’s a chance Sanji could somehow beat Saturn, to show his growth from not being able to defeat Virgo? I’m still holding out the gorosei are actually high yonko commander level.
@@TheSpectr Oda loves giving Sanji cool moments as much as giving him L moments. He could get his exoskeleton bent (like Yonji's) to show how much of a threat Saturn is and mirroring the leg crack against Vergo, which happened right after his cool moment saving Tashigi (and might happen right after saving Bonney this time). But Sanji has never taken out a threat of this level this early, so he'll definitely be taking an L if he does engage in the fight.
@@TheSpectrNah Sanjo definitely taking an L, but he could still stall Saturn or help defeat him.
@@TheSpectrthat's fucking wild bro😂 sorry
Sani didn't beat Vergo and didn't beat Saori by himself
So no, it was never expected that he will beat Saturn if we are going by the previous arcs@@TheSpectr
I could imagine Dragon being the one to defeat Saturn in Egghead. He's probably been waiting for one of the Five Elders to appear in public for a long time.
How’s he going to get there?? He’s in the Kamabakka Kingdom which is in Paradise. Egghead is in the New World and they don’t have Kuma to send him there
Lmao just kidding, but yeah man I definitely agree. If he doesn’t show up on egghead I can’t help but think that would be a huge missed opportunity on Dragon’s part.
How would he even know that Saturn is here? Maybe he can guess that Kuma is going to Egghead since he has a connection, and VP told Dragon he was gonna die but Dragon is in Paradise rn. He'd have to be faster than Kuma to arrive there before Luffy can get up to defeat Saturn
@@YokaiGotha I hold Dragon to a high standard, so I could only hope that he would know about something as HUGE as a Gorosei leaving Marie Joise. I mean goddamn, getting a Gorosei in a position where he could be attacked is like the biggest break Dragon would ever get in terms of forwarding the revolution. If he’s totally unaware of this happening then I’m finally selling my Dragon stocks lmao, especially with his connection to VP 😂
@@GehrmansWheelchair To be fair not even the marines with Saturn knew he was there and it's not like they broadcasted his entrance or anything
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This analysis gave me chills Morj ngl. Well done 👏🏾
there were also technically five seats in skypia. and as they lost, enel was recruiting from the 5 survivors in his war
5 survivors including himself, so still 4 subordinatea
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even at this picture, there is this one small stone, closed, different then others. It shouldnt be there, its not symmetric. Like Oda foreshadowing us, there is one missing already. So Urouge from his crew named FALLEN MONK pirates.
Crazy.
If Saturn falls here on Egghead against the Strawhats, then I suspect Imu and the Elders are gonna be defeated sooner than we think.
Oda has had this trend in the New World to introduce a group that battles the Strawhats, and when that subordinate loses than the following arc the leader of the group is defeated.
Baby 5/Machvise fight and lose against Franky in Punk Hazard Doffy next arc.
Big Mom pirates confront Strawhats in a naval battle in Dressrosa, Big Mom next arc (which wound up being more of a technical loss than a legit one, that would come after Whole Cake)
Beast Pirates confront Strawhats in Zou/ right before Whole Cake, Kaido next arc.
So Saturn is defeated/dies, Imu in turn loses the next arc leaving a power vacuum that Blackbeard can capitalize off of is the way I can see things going.
Zoro vs. Nusjuro seems like a given. But I do think that Dragon will fight Imu instead of an Elder, as the final war equivalent to Wyper and Law, the two people who have the most personal motivation to defeat the false god and has planned for it from the start. Wyper and Law both also have sceenes of them seemingly killing Enel and Doffy by attacking their hearts, only for the false gods to use their abilities to revive themselves. Dragon will give a good fight, but Luffy ultimate has to bring the dawn. If Dragon needs a win before this, he could show off against someone like Kong or Garling.
For the opponents of Warcury and Mars, I'd wager the biggest contenders are Sabo, the flame of the revolution, and Koby, the future of the Marines, or Kid and Law, the most prominent Supernova after Luffy and was integral in defeating an emperor of the sea.
then who will luffy fight
@@coachingconfidant2785 He fights Imu after Dragon is defeated. In the meantime, a Holy Knight might keep him busy
I like the Sabo with Ace's Will defeating Akainu theory. Zoro vs Sword using Gorosei is obvious & Dragon Almost Killing Imu would be awesome. Egghead feels more like it is going to be closer to Ohara than Punk Hazard & I'm expecting someone to sacrifice themselves so that the Straw Hats & a couple of others can get away. Next year we are probably going to Elbaf, although I expect Eneru & the Moon to come into play again somehow.
@@coachingconfidant2785 There's always the chance that Blackbeard will be a bigger baddie than Imu
There is a theory that Urouge was Enel's 5th priest. There is also the panel that shows the Ordeal Paths and there seems to be a path that was destroyed. Also the fact that Urouge seems to have a scar on his face which could be where Enel attacked him after he disobeyed him most likely after Urouge got his Devil Fruit power and tried fighting back.
With Saturn being a very blatant devil-inspired presence in the story, V. Nusjuro being Zoro's opponent is nearly confirmed to me. Zoro being the king of hell, wanting his name to be heard even in heaven, would be accomplished in both respects by taking down the devil who rules in the land of god. The final saga is gearing up to be incredible!
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I remember that Saturn was not sent by anyone other than himself as he actively took the initiative to solve the problem because it is his area of expertise.
Regarding how the last member will act, I would say that he will be the wild card of the group since he will be defeated twice: in battle, for being the member with the least battle prowess (probably due to some type of eccentricity that he has in his personality, or in the dynamics of his demonic power/devil fruit); and in his seriousness, since the other two were significantly defeated by some element of comedy (Gedatsu was defeated due to his clumsiness, while Trebol did not consider Usopp a danger in the fight against Sugar). So... maybe it will be a toony fight about a senile man using "old and rigid" methods of battle against a bunch of kids (Chopper, Usopp and Luffy) overcoming each one with creativity and plasticity, like some sort of dnd campaing.
whos the last gorosei
Kizaru may mirror smoker in a way then. Both are Logia Users and Smoker was present on Punk Hazard as well as a marine. Smoker in Loguetown was portrayed as an insurmountable Obstacle at the end of the East Blue Saga just like Kizaru was at the end of the Paradise Saga. Smoker in the Third Saga on Punk Hazard, didn't seem as insurmountable anymore just as Kizaru does in in the Fourth Saga (if you count East Blue as a saga).
The parallel that I see with Kizaru playing out involves Kuma.
He told Kuma in Saboady that he better had a good excuse because this was huge. If Saturn dies, Kizaru will not have another option other than to execute him and perhaps Sentomaru too. Kuma survive last time. This one he won't.
Kizaru is easily handling Luffy though, I’ve yet to see any evidence of him being a fraud.
@@billymanziel5666 he just got his face punched in.
@@djacks247I’m saying
Comparing An Admiral and Just a Captain is not good enough, Kizaru is still stronger than Smoker, he's just unlucky to fight Gear 5 Luffy. Smoker is too overwhelmed when he enters the New World, he was also too unlucky to fight Doflamingo who ridicullously powerful. But one thing for sure, Kizaru's gonna report to Marine HQ and tells Akainu how much powerful Luffy now since he got his ass beaten. Also, he's the only Golden Trio of Admiral left since Akainu got promoted to be Fleet Admiral and Aokiji left Marine. Even the newest Admirals which are Fujitora and Aramaki also totally overpowered but so far, all I see is Aramaki is the weakest newest Admiral since he also got easily beaten by not so experience fighter Momonosuke, Yamato and also Red Scarrabs.
He called it!😊
After watching this video I'm pretty sure it was suposed to be 6 Gorosei intead of 5. The argument for Corazon being the fifth missing member of Doflamingo's subordinates makes perfect sense and we have the same pattern of being betrayed by someone that was very close to them on IMU's side of the story. He was betrayed by Nefertari Lily.
Lily might very well be someone Imu wanted as part of his subordinates, or even more than that, maybe she was supposed to be the Queen, ruling the world besides him. But she betrayed him and spread the Poneiglyphs around the world.
Following this idea, I believe one of the Gorosei is gonna present to us a storyline that we haven't seen yet.
Do you think imu is a he??
Hey there,
Rereading this comment I had long forgotten about lol. I believe I just uncounciously assumed Imu's gender when writing this comment 'cause I wasn't (and still am not) sure of Imu's gender. I have to say Imu gives me a strong impression of being a he though. I guess I was just so focused on conveying my POV about the theory at the time I didn't realize I tagged Imu as a he.
Would the fourth subordinate be defeated by someone who is a doctor? If memory serves, Gedatsu was defeated by Chopper, and Trebol defeated by Law. That would mean one of the Gorosei would be defeated by a doctor also. Thoughts?
Chopper to defeat a Gorosei confirmed 🔥 after all, the two remaining Gorosei is for justice and environment. If Dragon gets Justice, someone who is a doctor or something also environment/health conscious would get the other (Chopper 😜)
I like this. Keep cooking bro
Kureha will defeat the last Gorosei then
@@druizcardenas312 Kureha getting her Arc !!
Satori was defeated by Sanji
Don't just skip that
It is important to remember that Imu is not merely a parallel to Enel and Doflamingo. He's an upgraded version of them. So Imu having 5 subordinates can simply be a way to show that he's superior to them, who only had 4
Both Skypiea and Dressrosa also had a true king figures ( Gan fall and King Riku) . What about that, any theories ???
Joyboy…the former ruler of the ancient kingdom
@@juimymary9951I meant both Gan fall and King Riku were alive. So is real King ( or as you say Joy Boy) still alive ??
most likely that role would be vivi's
Another arc and another Morj-theory to bet on! Just kidding, I love your videos! :)
watch the Raid on Saturn ironically failing this time and this is the big defeat Morj has been talking about for ages, just one arc later lol
I think the current issue is luffy has already been getting powerups every arc, and yet he's set up to be the underdog against just one of the gorosei.
I don't think it will make sense for luffy to just win. I think what should maybe happen is another training arc of sorts (maybe on elbaf) to bring the rest of the crew up to par.
I don’t think luffy defeats jay here, I think dragon is pulling up along with the entire verse
Luffy doesn't even need to solo Saturn, he has a lot of help, possibly could be whole Straw Hats plus others vs Saturn.
law is heart seat not vergo he was saving the seat for vergo joined marines was never heart seat
We still don't know what the Blackbeard Pirates are doing in Egghead or where in the island they are, so that's another factor to consider, maybe the Straw Hats get an L with Saturn, but manage to tire him so we get some Blackbeard shenanigans
@@jackdslimeimagine that right, dragon pulls up and low diffs Saturn. Best intro for him I can see
I feel like if Zoro fights a Gorosei, then its only natural for Sanji to as well, especially if he gets defeated by Saturn at Egghead since it looks like theyre about to fight as of 1094, bro deserves to prove his growth.
This could also fit Jinbe in as Luffys 3rd commander, while Dragon, the revs supreme commander, fight Garling, the supreme commander of Gods Knights. Someone like Sabo or Law could also get involved with Topman or Mars
Sanji fan detected always trying to leach off zoro ur pathetic Sanji can fight Kizaru
There's something missing both in Skypie and Dressrosa: Sanji didn't really had a major/significant fight against one of the main subordinates of the main villain during the end of the arc.
So my guess is that the final saga/war will bring all of the scattered elements together along these lines:
- Sanji engages one of "god"'s subordinates = Saturn before he kills Bonnie.
- Sanji sabotages/deals a major blow to "god"'s plan = Stop the great cleansing, probably and facing Imu directly to give him/her the middle finger like with Enel.
- Sanji gains important information from a woman related to "god" = this could be Bonnie already.
- Sanji fights and defeats one of "god's" subordinates (Satori in Skypie) = since it is unlikely that it will be Saturn in Egghead, it will probably be one of the remaining gorosei.
@@escribalma_h this ain’t happening 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or bonney
@@TM-NTMNah he made a good comment, some of it could happen
I felt that Trebol was may scarier than Diamante, who revealed to only be a big mouth. Trebol was disgusting and no match for Law but this last point would have been also the case for any other of Doflamingo's lieutenants.
Trebol wasn't even a joke, he was pretty strong from what I remember, Robin didn't want anything to do with him
That was a wild statement lol. He was easily the strongest of them.
I think that dragon would actually fight mars instead (assuming he isnt the traitor)
Why? Mars was the one who approved the buster call on ohara, the incident which, as we saw in egghead, was the breaking point for dragon and what triggered him to create the revolutionary army. Because of that, itd be poetic for him to take down the man responsible
He predicted it! Big W
About the Traitor in Skypiea I saw a post talking about how there were 5 paths but 1 was closed or sunken, The Title card of episode 160 after OP and recap, Chapter 245.
rip to this theory, I really wanted it to happen but Saturn straight up summoned the whole squad
Well now it’s kinda confirmed
He dead now
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Can we just take a moment to realize how much has led up to this very moment of seeing a Goroseis true form. Could anyone have imagined this is how they would play out? Them being literal demon henchmen to a world ruling Devil? No one could have predicted this kind of story when we first started reading One Piece.
@greatvictory9243 smh yes we all know the building blocks of storytelling. I'm saying did YOU or anyone predict the gorosei and all the SPECIFIC story elements of One Piece would come to this conclusion/route??
@greatvictory9243yeah nah no u didn't stfu😂💀
I understand the foreshadowing for Saturn’s death, but I don’t know how you handle the fallout
What happens to Kizaru and the Straw Hats?? That’s not something the WG can cover up and let slide. They have to throw everything they have at the Straw Hats at that point and I think that puts too much of a rush on the upcoming arcs of Elbaf and Laugh Tail. Plus Kizaru failing to protect Saturn must have severe consequences for him
I feel like killing him now on egg head would be really putting your foot on the gas and get things moving much faster than I think makes sense given the current pacing
This is why they go too elbaf. Elbaf is a island of warriors, they don't have any more Mother flames, it's Shanks territory, meaning they'd be fighting a yonko alliance, and who could they possibly send too handle that issue.
then again some world shaking news must happen at egghead, i.e gorosei defeat
There is a common trope in anime that when a character shows off their powers, they get offed shortly after. Since Saturn is already in his awakened state, Oda is either building up the Gorosei as a true threat or building up Saturns demise or both.
Interesting, although the number of seats increasing might also be due to just having more strawhats in need of opponents. I can easily see Jimbe having personal beef with a seat on behalf of all fishmen enough to warrant a major fight for instance.
Another interesting thing, in both cases this 1st defeated seat was NOT defeated by Luffy. In one it was Law and the other Sanji. So good chance Luffy will not fight Saturn at all, and it will fall to someone else to take them out. Law I suppose could mean it could be Bonney, both being from the generation and characters who came with the arc, or well Sanji as he's right there. In fact, that we have both in this particular fight is interesting. Maybe it will be a tag team take down.
I've just said this to another guy, but bonnie is not killing Saturn like cmon man. If she does it would be dogshit writing by oda, I can't even wrap my head around how he could possibly write a plausible way for her to kill him
I don't see how bonney and sanji will defeat saturn, bonney's attack didn't do any damage at all and sanji can't even move
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Amazing how Luffy went from being rubber, the natural enemy of lightning, to D. Clan + Nika, the natural enemy of Imu
I may be wrong, or someone may have already mentioned tthis,but Doflamingo isn't supposed to have five seats, he only ever has or intends to have 4, one for each card set. Vergo is the Heart seat during the whole rise to power of Doffy and only vacates the seat when joining the marines as a spy, coincidentally then being replaced by Corazon who returns to the fold as a spy for the marines. They were never present in tandem. He then vacates the Heart seat when he reveals his true allegiances, and Doffy teases Law with the knowledge that the Heart seat could have become his, so this parallel doesn't work at all. As for why he never promoted another heart seat, I don't know, maybe there was some remorse in there after all. but regardless, there are some other interesting parallels you raise.
Oh Morj, there actually is a common thread for who defeated the fourth subordinate.
It was a doctor.
Calling it here, Kureha beats a Gorosei.
Another W for MrMorj 👏
Vergo replaced Rocinante as Corazon, making him one of the official five servants of Doflamingo. That said, he was killed on Punk Hazard, by a deadpan ally of the Straw Hats, in retaliation for a father figure, and in a Sci-Fi Horror setting. This perfectly parallels how we not only think Bonnie will kill Saturn on Egghead, but also WHY she'll kill him.
If bonnie kills Saturn, that would be shit. Dogshit
Maybe the common thread between Gedatsu and Trebol is that the most recent addition to the Strawhats on their adventures will be the one to take the final member down. Vivi decided to return to Alabasta and Robin was just riding along with the Strawhats to avoid marine capture, which means that Chopper was the one to defeat Gedatsu, while in Dressrosa though Law isn’t and never intends to be a Strawhat, he did join the crew through an alliance meaning he was technically a part of them and he was the one to defeat Trebol. So it’s possible that the one who is going to defeat St. Mars would be either Jimbei, Bonney (if she joins the crew), or someone else who formed an alliance with the Strawhats, most likely Sabo, which are the best choices in my opinion to defeat one of the Gorosei, as each have a strong antagonistic connection to them. Jimbei being a Fishman, whose people are always subjected and desired as toys to the Celestial Dragons, Bonney because her mother and adoptive father’s lives were enslaved and ruined by the rule of the Celestial Dragons, and Sabo for being a victim of them his entire life between his parents forcing him to act a certain way to impress them which including throwing all morals out the window and almost being killed by one who had the small boat he was on destroyed just because he didn’t like the looks of it and hated that a kid was ‘in the way’ of his arrival and of course he’s now being pinned for a murder of royalty that the Gorosei had committed themselves. Honestly, if this is Oda’s plan then that will probably lead to one of the most gratifying face offs in the entire series.
My money is on Sabo. On a thematic level it's the most appropriate regarding Sabo's character and the Hero's Journey he's been on since first introduced through Luffy's flashbacks. Went from being born into an upper-class family that revolved their lives around the Celestial Dragons' influence, to freeing himself from that life and almost being killed by a Celestial Dragon as a result, to being saved by the man who is fighting against them, to having an intense motivation to finally take them down after their Warlords system and the marines under their influence caused the death of his brother, Ace, to discovering the truth behind Imu and being framed by the Gorosei for their own actions, to being hailed as a Messiah of Revolution, to now the inevitable alliance with the Strawhats to protect the only brother/family he has left leading to the final confrontation that will define the future of the world itself. Without even realizing it, Oda has been building up Sabo's character arc from the very beginning and I hope I'm right, because him defeating a Gorosei to liberate the world from their rule after it defined him since the day that he was born would be the perfect ending to his arc, and make him without a doubt one of One Piece's, possibly even one of fiction's own, best characters of all time!
welp. morj strikes again
Sanji (Possible Kuma or Dragon Cameo ) fights Saturn
Zoro with ( possible Mihawk cameo) fights Nusjuro
Dragon fights Ju Peter
Sabo, Aokiji, or Blackbeard fights Warcury
Mars will be the one to betray the five elders and will be defeated by IMU.
This felt like classic Morj, high level!
So this is why you're so confident Kizaru would be a turncoat in some capacity (ya'know, besides all the characterization in recent chapters): the White Berets in Skypeia, Fujitora in Dressrosa (even Smoker in Punk Hazard), unlikely allies are found in previous enemies due to god's harsh justice .
That last sentence is cold bruh
11:50 Doflamingo was not supposed to have 5 subordinates, it was always 4, as there are only 4 suits (hearts, spades, clubs, and diamonds). Vergo simply replaced Rosinante as the hearts (hence the codename "Corazon", which means "heart" in Spanish). After Rosinante died, Vergo was the new Corazon.
It's the other way around, Vergo was the first heart seat. Then when Vergo went undercover in the marines, Rosinante became the new Heart Seat. As such, Doflamingo had 5 Elite officers: the 4 Seats + Vergo who was the "hidden" elite officer on the same level of authority as the 4 seats. This is shown in the Doflamingo Family hierarchy breakdown that Oda depicted early in Dressrosa.
Now, once Rosinante betrayed Doflamingo and died, that left one empty seat, which leads us to today where Doflamingo has only 4 elite officers, Vergo, Pica, Diamante, and Trebol. However, the point is that he should have 5, there are supposed to be 4 suits + Vergo. It's just that the Heart seat has simply remained empty since Rosinante's death, because Law never took it.
I’m calling it. Saturn dies. Blackbeard takes his fruit. Using Saturns form, Blackbeard takes control of the robots.
Congrats on the kid gang 🤞🏿
Ugh, such a good video. THANK YOUUUUUUUU
I think another parallel worth looking after is between this final arc and baroque works'/alabasta.
Imu is a ruler from the shadow just like crocodile, before arriving at their final destination the strawhats will have to go to an island of giants and an island of science (bit of a stretch, but medicine was subsidized by the government there), baroque works did send their agents and we also have 2 traitors (vivi and bon chan, which I think will be paralelled by cody (which like vivi will have to actually be the link to unite the world against the world government) and the young gorosei guy or someone else possibly).
And lastly, the biggest links probably, is that crocodile was after ancient weapons and usurped the power of a nefertari! (Just like it seems imu had links to the nefertari dinasty)
I don't think the parallels are as fleshed out as dressrosa, or as direct/linear as skypea, but I think it could be something worth analysing
12:09 - And I don’t think Ju Peter is gonna be the Traitor and the reason I say this is Because Ju Peter looks like he could be Marcus Mars Son, and if not Son, Nephew
Nusjuro is a possibility as he is probably originally from Wano, however that would knock him out the bunch and not Give Zoro a Good Fight if he Betrays, so it’s hard to say who will Defect, Unless Nusjuro has a Face Turn during his Fight with Zoro, then that would make a bit more sense, the other reason I say Ju Peter won’t Defect is because he looks like he’d be The Perfect Match Up to Fight Sanji, but if he’s somehow related to Marcus and due to the relation probably have similar Fighting Styles, then I guess Sanji could also fight Marcus instead
13:35 - Another Correction… Enel did have 5, That Big Guy Robin Fought was The Fifth Guy
14:06 - But since you Entered Dragon into Fight one of The Gorosei instead of Who I Thought he was going to Fight, then I believe that none of them will betray the same or similar way Corazon did, they will all be loyal, as they are the initial Legion for Imu, Perfect Bodies to Represent The One at The Top, I mean they wouldn’t have been Soo structurally sound for so long if they weren’t, but if one Defects it will be after some sort of Metaphorical Awakening in Themselves after Fighting whoever they fight, and they will only briefly be able to help the rebels as they were already defeated by whoever they fought
Bro has vision saturn died
Let's goooo! new audacious theory to characterize your channel. I love it.
A pentagram usually means there's a ritual going on or beforehand. This is a weird detail since there's no devil fruit that needs a ritual to activate its power. St Garcia's power may not be his but just a power that Imu has given him, that's why there's no df info when he was shown (they even showed Kaido's df when he was officially introduced). And if Imu is capable of giving powers to others, maybe he's actually the one who created devil fruits in the first place. Zoans have a will of their own so maybe he turned his enemies, the D clan into devil fruits.
Maybe my memory isn’t what it used to be but I sure as hell don’t remember Kaido’s DF being shown when he was first introduced. First time his fruit was named was by Big Mom in Wano if I remember correctly.
I had an idea that imu gave the gorosei the original 5 “devil” fruits, and joy boy made a version of them that was based on dreams and not nightmares. Imu could have switched the moniker “devil” to joy boys fruits to portray them as the villains
for the final match up, I could see Dragon taking the fight to imu, and doing well, but ultimately failing. and yeah he could get topman.
But as for Marcus Mars, I could honestly see him being Usopp's matchup. Mars is the godhead of agriculture, and Usopp fights with plants. If he does get a major power up in elbaf, he could honestly hold his own against them. It could also be a jump, the weakling trio beating one of the gorosei.
After that, I think it would be cool if during the Luffy vs Imu fight, Luffy gets knocked down like Luffy vs Lucci, but Usopp intervenes and fights Imu, knowing full well that he might lose. Just buying time for Luffy to get back up to hit Imu with a Bajrang Gatling.
If Sanji would defeat Saturn I would be so happy. I mean a clash between them is pretty likely now, because Sanji is going to rescue Bonney.
I can't see him soloing a gorosei, it's gotta be a team up with him and other straw hats or something
sanji's role seems shaping to be bonney's protector when she trying to take revenge against saturn@@electroflames
tbh I freaked out after reading 1094 cos I was legit worried about The StrawHats but your video calmed me down. Thank you.
I think the parallel of seats works even better with Boroque works. There being 5 in the beginning. The straw hats defeat a single seat Mr3 and his partner. Then leaving 4 who they fight and eventually Mr2 the only one without a partner(The only one who was different from the others) decides to help them in the end.
Baroque Works was a lot larger & more complicated. There were supposedly at least 14 Pairs if you count Crocodile as 0 & Robin as Miss All Sunday. Friday & 13 were the lowest pair of significance that were above the Billions. 1 & Doublefinger (New Years), Bon Clay was alone, 3 & Golden Week, 4 & Christmas with the Dog were the main pairs throughout much of Alabasta. Zoro killed the 1st Mr 7 before the series started & then a 2nd 7 was guarding the bomb in Alubarna that Pel flew off with. The 8&9 Pairs betray the organization at Whiskey Peak.
Gorosei, Priests, & Seats don't have internal hierarchy with them appearing to be equals underneath their leader.
Morj Ad transitions are so fucking funny/good I'm furious I get got by them as often as I do loooooooooooooool
Wasn’t it stated at the beginning of the arc that whatever happens on Egghead shocks the entire world ?
What if the robot Luffy woke up with Gear 5 somehow ends up drowning Saturn in the ocean, giving the straw hats the opening they need to escape.
That’s my theory anyway.
Great theory, I also has the same thinking here.. That the robot would play some role in egghead.. Somehow maybe it would activated by luffy or nika heartbeat
why does everyone keep talking about gear 5 waking up the robot like it's a fact, we literally don't know a single thing about that robot or why it's eyes lit up
Mars being the agriculture war god could mean he commits some sort of injustice relating to pestilence or starvation. That could point to Sanji's central themes or Chopper's.
Dragon does look a lot like Wiper. So the parallel makes sense. Another thing is Sanji is directly in the mix in all 3 instances. He was fighting Satori, Vergo, and now it looks like Saturn too.
Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought that Doflamingo only had 4 seats (one for each suit of playing cards, with Doffy representing the Joker), and the Heart Seat simply did some passing back and forth between Corazon and Vergo based on who was around and available to do it? As far as I understand:
1.) Vergo was the original Heart Seat
2.) Corazon returns to Doffy after their separation (and after Corazon had become a secret Marine operative)
3.) Vergo abdicates the Heart Seat to Corazon and then spends 3 years joining the marines as a double agent.
4.) Corazon betrays Doffy and is killed, leaving the Heart Seat once again open for Vergo to take
Hope I’m wrong though cause I really love this theory
You are right but that is still 5 people, it’s like morj said there is one who is sent out to do certain things (like jay coming to egghead or vergo going to punk hazard) when corazon was the heart seat doffy had 5 headliners and law was supposed to fill that seat when he died, not vergo
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great video Morj, think you are def on to something here
There is actually a pattern for the 3rd member, they are all defeated by their own mess ups:
Gedatsu was defeated by losing his Foot Dial. Trebol was defeated by exploding his own mucus around him.
The 3rd Gorosei member might also get defeated the same way. They might mess up. It would be fun if the opponent they face is God Ussop.
That transition into the ad was so good.
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The thing about the Doflamingo's Five Seats line of thinking is, Vergo and Rosinante were never Seats at the same time. Doflamingo always had four seats - one for each suit in a deck of cards. Vergo abdicated his seat to Rosi after he left to infiltrate the Marines, and then later takes it up again (still undercover) after Rosi is exposed as a traitor himself.
So, I'd argue the Gorosei are actually the odd ones out on the numbers front in this case. Which does not preclude the idea of one of them turning traitor and making the numbers even, of course, but I think using Rosinante as a forerunner for that doesn't quite work.
people dont die in one piece
true, unless it has a great value for the plot
We are in the final war dude.
However, no one can say that it is something 100% going to happen.
Not only that, but the three leaders of the revolutions look alike and two of them have similar tattoos on the same side of their face. Lol.
Close engough
That's the good part of speculating, it's fun to think and talk about, it's fun to imagine
Let me get this straight. So you're saying the "RAID ON EGGHEAD WILL FAIL?" Where have I heard this before? 🤔
This is different, with the raid there was no narrative or thematic reason for the raid to fail. Where as if the won it would make the Gorose look like bitches.
@@matthewsteenson6903I know I'm just trolling Morj. This time it can happen.
Man sometimes Morj is cooking so hard I can even smell the spices over here in Germany it’s insane
These sponsorship transitions are getting insane 😭
2 people who worked togather to Kill Eneru were initially introduced in the arc as enemies/hostility towards each other (Luffy and Wyper)
2 people who worked togather to Kill Doffy were introduced as enemies/Hostility towards each other (Luffy and Law).
Are we going to see Luffy and Blackbeard temporarily working togather to defeat Imu?
Just my theory based on parallels.
Nah no chance, wyper, kyros, law were actually good persons who was trying save their country ( and law was trying to get revenge) but Blackbeard is pure evil he's not trying to save anyone and luffy will never work with someone who killed his brother
Bro, spoilers
The old books were great because of a lot of the same reasons you pointed out. His novels brought him to many different places of the old world and we saw a glimpse of just about every faction.
One interesting thing about his relation to Grimnir is that upon finding dwarf god’s axe he was slowly starting to be imbued with power, which is why he could never die. *Spoiler* at the end of his last old world novel, he meets Grimnir and takes his place in the realm of chaos. So in a way, he kinda is a stand in for the slayer god.
what the hell are you talking about
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