@@keithdawe5512 On tonight again, I don't tire of it still after all these years. It's like Pendragon's Jewel album. These days I listen to mostly psych from Scandanavia or death metal but often drift back to the sec gereration prog stuff . I remember going to see Twelfth Night at the Dominion circa '84 and got bored and walked out. That night I went into the Astoria and watched Heavy Pett'in for free. I later became godsmacked by Geoff Mann and couldn't get enough of TN. I was lucky to meet both Peter and Mike from IQ while I was at an Islington gig with my friend Andy Hall who's no longer with us but still cursing me no doubt about my Irish ways.. Considering I was an overwhelmed Irish man outside the Nag's Head in Islington , they were great, they took time to chat. I love IQ!
Kind of a shame way < 0 1% of the world's population will ever be exposed to their greatness. But, doesn't take away our appreciation. Amazing band. @birdzzzondayflu2489
Thanks for covering Misplaced Childhood. I agree: it was a huge step forward for the band. (And I'm a little more partial to Clutching at Straws, too.)
IQ as a link between Genesis and the Cardiacs, that's amazing. I can absolutely see that. What an inventive, eye-opening comparison. Especially when seeing IQ in the light of Niadem's Ghost; it's very urgent and fast and frantic.
I always saw IQ as the link between Genesis and those early 80's goth electronic bands like Bauhaus. Probably because I think I read somewhere that Peter Nicholls was a big fan of that music at the time.
Im so ecstatic to hear Steven Wilson say he's a fan of IQ. I've always considered them as somewhat of a guilty pleasure, if there is such a thing, but I've always liked IQ up to this day, and would've NEVER guessed Steven liked them. It's one of the few prog bands today that can get me excited about a new album.
Regarding Marillion’s excellent album, I think Steve Rothery deserved some credit. Great solos, as known, they worked over Fish’s beautiful and unique lyrics, such a great work!
I met Steven back in '01, during NEARfest... I asked him about IQ, and he said he wasn't too into them. Said they were "too packaged" for his taste. Fast-forward a while afterwards, and sure enough he admits (in an interview I read) that he had his neo prog bands mixed up, and that he apparently thought IQ was a different band when I inquired at the time, lol!
Love that you covered IQ and Twelfth Night. I remember travelling up to Inverness to see them at the Eden Court Theatre, around 1984 I think. And Twelfth Night was the main reason that I travelled down to the Reading Festival in 1983. For me TN's 'Fact and Fiction' is one of the best albums of the 80s. ❤
Very interesting and funny, but "Fables of the reconstruction" was a great record with many extraordinary songs: "Driver 8", "Maps and Legends", "Can't Get There from Here ", "Feeling Gravity's Pull "...
IQ is soo underrated, especially this album. And you're both on the money here, neo-prog was more than just a Genesis copyists' clique, it's very much its own thing in many respects. Misplaced Childhood will always be the highest point of Fish era for me (even though Script is my personal favourite). Never got why Clutching At Straws is so celebrated though, it is literally Childhood's clone musically and structure-wise. And hey, my favourite Supertramp album!
I feel like IQ have actually gotten to their peak in the last 10 years or so, Road of Bones is the best thing they've ever done. Edit: I could have just waited 5 minutes for Steven to say basically the same thing.
I agree that IQ are very underrated. The Road Of Bones is my favourite album. I like their other albums also, with the exception of Resistance. I’m torn between Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws as I like both equally.
I'm just here to support "Script" - also my personal favourite. Maybe it's because I considered Misplaced Childhood as too much pop, when I got to know the band. But of course, as Tim and Steven argue, there are amazingly good pop songs on the album and I just love the "trilogy" of Pseudo Silk Kimono, Kayleigh and Lavender
@@marcuslamprecht7948 Script was my first Marillion album - it was 2003, I was 16 and I was blown away :) and yes, MC seemed a bit too poppy after that, but it won me over pretty fast
A fabulous album with some truly outstanding lyrics. “I was walking in the park, dreaming of a spark When I heard the sprinklers whisper, shimmer in the haze of summer lawns” 🥰
Fables is a classic! Get with it guys!! First REM I bought. They put a bow on the jangle era with an album that celebrates southern gothic weirdness and idiosyncratic characters who live in the underbelly of the south. It's a deeply southern rock album but its through a lens far removed from the Allmans or Lynyrd Skynyrd but just as deeply southern. I mean how many songs not only name check but include in the title of the a long-forgotten, obscure dud of a 1973 comet. Fables is the sound of R.E.M. at probably their least self-conscious and their most celebratory of the south they grew up in, and the oddballs they grew up around.
Excellent post, just excellent! Awesome descriptions of REM music during this period. REM changed what alternative music could be, they are forever TRAILBLAZERS!
Such a great summary of this album. This is the album where I got on board with REM and decided they were the greatest band in the world, and for about the next four years I continued to believe that.
Wim Mertens started as a radio producer for the BRT (Belgian Radio & Television). He composed Close Cover as a tune for the late night broadcasts. It was released as a track on the mini-album Struggle For Pleasure by Soft Verdict. That's the moniker Wim Mertens started his recording career under. Soft Verdict indeed collaborated with members of Tuxedomoon.
Meraviglioso "The Wake" degli IQ. Ma secondo me "Tales from the Lush attic" è ancor più bello e contiene una delle suite più belle della storia "The last human gateway" ❤
Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws are incredible albums, but don’t overlook the H albums. Brave, Marbles, FEAR, An Hour Before It’s Dark…all great albums.
When I first heard Season's end I was pissed because that's when I learnt of Fish's departure, but grew to love it. But yes, those two albums are art as much as music, thus I have a daughter named Kayleigh😁
Brilliant. Both are incredible. 5 hours analysing a year's albums. I learned a lot of music I didn't know. Motivated by these videos I found two more unanalysed albums, by vangelis and red hot.
Awesome year guys, it actually made me remember when Mylo went down And we sat and cried on the phone. I never felt so alone He was the first of our own. Some of us went down in a blaze of obscurity, Some of us go down in a haze of publicity, but that is the price of infamy, the edge of insanity 🤷♂
I loved listening to them wax lyrical about Misplaced Childhood, one of my favourite Marillion albums which was very influential on my musical tastes - I agree with everything they said! (though I do love this album, I think Fugazi might be my favourite Fish-era Marillion album). I also recently discovered that Steven was heavily involved in Fish's "Sunsets on Empire" album which is one of my favourite albums of all time!
Eberhard Weber was also on The Dreaming (All the Love - featured heavily). He is on 4 albums overall: Hounds of Love, The Dreaming, Sensual World and Aerial.
I was surprised The Damned's Phantasmagoria didn't get a mention. In ways it was a trailblazer for Goth. An Identikit picture of what the genre was. But it also had Kate Bush's former producer and a slight Marillion texture. For myself I was listening to Curtain Call back to back with Grendel in 1983 as both songs appeared as B sides to 12 inch singles around this time.
It was ony very late when I was able to watch this 2nd part of a great music year... I was give the opportunity to search and meet a really great band..Marrillion... No one easily belives that it is from that year...or rather how many laters bands have the wonderful inpired... Thank you that apart from REM you mentioned Eno and Dire Straits... You both have great chemistry!!!👍🙏💯💎💿💎📀💎💞💕🌬🌊🎶
I love the framework or series of talks you guys are doing. Amazing discussion, gents. Best part is you both are educating and exposing people to what was a monster year in music, 1985! ❤
Nice video, Steve and Tim. ^^ Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always, Dead Can Dance - Spleen and Ideal, Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85 and Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen are my fave albums of that year. I could add the debut album of Clan of Xymox as my fave album of it, as well.
😊 I absolutely love both of you guys and your tastes and your musics. Do not stop this. I absolutely love it! I'm 53 and a jazz/prog fanatic so this speaks to me on so many levels. THANK YOU!
Really enjoying, or should I say "liking" these reviews of music from select years. I am enjoying your passion for music and the pleasure of talking about it!
Good episode guys. Much more interesting than the previous 1985 podcasts. Educational.
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I love what you're doing here, chaps!!! A bit surprised you didn't decipher the german word "Harmonielehre" though... 😃😃😃It alludes to the book by Arnold Schönberg with the same name... Waiting eagerly for the next year in this brilliant series!! Cheers!
I didn't realise that the Wim Mertens you talk about was written for Jan Fabre's The Power of Theatrical Madness. I saw that show at the South Bank Centre in London (3 hours, no break!). It was an astounding experience.
Agree about the melodic brilliance of Misplaced Childhood...it's shot through with sugar-rush moments, even on Side 2 from which no single was culled (Lords of the Backstage, Blind Curve, White Feather - all utterly anthemic) I love the H-era and think Hogarth can also be a great melodicist, but it often feels to me like the vocal melody has been 'tacked on' to a band jam. In their defence, they've done 4x the number of albums since Fish left.
Most influential for what was to come on the alternative guitar scene from this point onwards were the 2 albums from Husker Du this year: New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig
Birdy by PG and Alchemy by DS were my favorite albums of the year. I was 17 and open to almost anything. But these 2 albums spoke volumes to me in design and execution. Once, I made my metal friends listen to these records and they were blown away.
Misplaced Childhood is my favorite Marillion album. Kayleigh is an all time classic imo. 1985 was also a great year for Thrash Metal. A number of classic albums released that year. Would be great if you did an episode on it. Ah I see this is the final episode for 1985. Oh well.
I'm not really a fan, but I'm impressed Steven gave his take on IQ. Appreciate the Misplaced Childhood discussion..and yes, Mylo is definitely sad and poppy and pretty. 1 of the best parts of the record.
Funny I don't really like misplaced but I looove clutching. On the radio they played the entire script before the clutching at straws premiere (those were the times) so listeners could see how bad the latter was, LOL! I love the first albums too btw
Such a shame not to take a deep dive into REM. Possibly the best American Band of the 1980s (along with the Talking Heads) and early 90s. And no, Neil made several country-like albums. Not just that one.
yeah, as with most privately educated boys, they give the impression they know exactly wot they talkin 'bout even when their knwldge is severely limited.
That is awesome to hear. I never got into REM, so I had no idea they had such a rich discography. Is there a particular earlier album you recommend to someone who has only heard the singles?
@@CompleteProducer84 Start with 'Murmur' (1st album), give it a good few listens and you will want to progress to 'Reckoning'....after that you'll be off on the trajectory of their career album by album if you have any sense. Such a rich tapestry of songwriting, styles, melodies and themes which evolve and go off in tangents. You put in a little bit of effort and time and you will be rewarded ten fold. Enjoy
It's a delight to listen to you talking about albums I've never heard or even know the band. But I'm searching for the music in my streaming software (buuh!) or even find already existing playlists to your album years. That's nice. I've even bought Goldies Saturn Returnz based on your descriptions. Well, what an experience... But please, Steven, provide poor poor Tim a better chair. You are sitting in your favorite fart chair and poor poor Tim sitting on this uncomfortably looking kitchen chair (or the piano chair of the last episode). Good lord! That's rude! :D Go on with this. This is wonderful. 5 stars from me. ★★★★★
So nice to go through all these albums. Makes me reach to some of them to have a listen. On some particulars, I think Supertramp "brother where you bound" is really great throughout. About Merci from Magma, when I discovered them in 1997, I acquired most of the catalogue very quickly and at the time it was the final Magma album and it did not leave a great impression on me, it felt a downer compared to the rest, it is probably time to have a new listen to it on its own merit.
Mmmm.... None of these entered my sphere in 85 (thankfully), but each to their own. Here's my top 5 of that year : 1 Clan of Xymox - Clan of Xymox 2 City Slab Horror - Severed Heads 3 Endangered Species - Fatal Charm 4 Clifford Darling, Please Don't Live in the Past - Severed Heads 5 Low Life - New Order.
I also love John Adams, Steve Reich, Eberhard Weber, and Arvo Part. Most rock critics would not go there. From 1985 I like Song for Everyone by Indian violinist L. Shankar.. An ECM release, it features Jan Garbarek and percussionists Zakir Hussain and Trilok Gurtu.
I hope you will discuss Ionas "Beyond these shores" from 1995. It's a bit Enya goes prog with a few pop sprinkled in the mix. It's one of my favorite albums. Bass from Nick Beggs and a bit from Robert Fripp. Very underrated album, I think.
Andrew Poppy isn't just "operating now", he's producing some of his strongest, most accessible and most fascinating work at the moment. I highly recommend his 2019 "Hoarse Songs" and 2022 "Jelly" albums.
Methinks “Hounds of Love” is probably the best album (especially side 2.) Most influential, and I’m going out on a limb here is Nighttime by Killing Joke, mostly rhythmically but also for production - think NIN, Nirvana, Industrial, etc.
I wondered if you’d heard Anne Pigalle’s Everything Could Be So Perfect… also 1985 and also on ZTT. It was part of my ZTT playlist at the time. Still is for that matter.. 👍
For me, here in Mexico, these video episodes are way better cause I can seek more music, on audio only episodes I couldn’t understand some names, being Spanish my first language, I’ve grown accustomed to American English, I can understand maybe 98%. Love your music too.
@DorisDay-lw4xs Up is the album where they pretty much lost me. They were my favorite band for a long time, but the stretch of albums between Up and Around the Sun was just so generic sounding to me. The pulled me back in with their last two albums before breaking up when they finally stopped trying to be Pet Sounds era Beach Boys.
Many similar thoughts about some of the 1985 albums covered today. Prefer "Clutching at Straws" over "Childhood's End" (was bummed when Fish left after CAS, because I thought they'd really found more of their own sound and style, being a bit less derivative), really thought Supertramp's "Brother Where You Bound" was a great disc (very well recorded as well...great sounding), and though I never got into the IQ release from '85, fully agree "The Road of Bones" was a really good album with some great vox from Peter Nicholls (have to confess he was a bit nasally for my taste until post 2000...his voice timbre and style definitely matured after he hit his 40s). 1985 had a big impact on me musically, so it's interesting to hear the discussions. Keep it up. Cheers!
You covered everything, but there was also that Clan of xymox album from 4AD, in the dark wave category, holds up today pretty well. Rem Fables is a question of tastes, if you like 80's REM, it's solid.
Hounds Of Love was incredibly influential on Hip Hop/Urban for 2 reasons. The drum sounds and the overall levels they managed in the mastering. The Hounds had an RMS level of 18-15 db's.
For me, Propaganda's A Secret Wish is my absolute favourite record from 1985. I liked FGTH (1984 and 1986 ) and Andrew Poppy, too (Alphabed from 1987, too).
I love your podcast. You are music scholars. Conspicuously absent from your discussion is Propaganda's A Secret Wish, although Steven named it as one of his favorite albums. 🤩
btw, random question - does anyone know what the tablet-like gizmo that Steven is referring to on his lap in these videos? I presume it's some kind of tablet at least, he's poking and swiping on it a lot!
I like REM but I don’t really know the first five albums at all. I really started with Green and then my interest lasted up to around Up (so the 90s output, the most commercially successful period I guess). Those albums are enough for me. Maybe I’m doing them a disservice not giving the early albums a go, but that’s what it is.
To me 1985 also had fine LPs from Cock Robin, Sade, Mr Mister, Howard Jones and Simply Red worth mentioning. And on a heavier note, both Anthrax, Slayer and Celtic Frost released some hard hitting albums that year
@DorisDay-lw4xs Yes, Howard Jones two first albums are gems. Lucky you are to have seen him in his prime! DIA, Humans lib, The 12s album an Action replay are among my all time faves in that genre.
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IQ "The Wake" , has a place in my head that can never be replaced!
Desperately needs a remix (sadly the tapes are apparently lost) but The Wake is still one of the greatest hidden gems
@@keithdawe5512 On tonight again, I don't tire of it still after all these years. It's like Pendragon's Jewel album. These days I listen to mostly psych from Scandanavia or death metal but often drift back to the sec gereration prog stuff . I remember going to see Twelfth Night at the Dominion circa '84 and got bored and walked out. That night I went into the Astoria and watched Heavy Pett'in for free. I later became godsmacked by Geoff Mann and couldn't get enough of TN.
I was lucky to meet both Peter and Mike from IQ while I was at an Islington gig with my friend Andy Hall who's no longer with us but still cursing me no doubt about my Irish ways.. Considering I was an overwhelmed Irish man outside the Nag's Head in Islington , they were great, they took time to chat. I love IQ!
Fantastic to see The Wake, and IQ, featured. Superb band 💕🤘🏻
Nice to hear IQ get a little love. One of the most underrated bands ever.
I discovered IQ in 1993 or 1994. I think they‘re getting better with every album!
“Singing praises was never a feature of me or my kind”
Totally agree
Kind of a shame way < 0 1% of the world's population will ever be exposed to their greatness. But, doesn't take away our appreciation. Amazing band. @birdzzzondayflu2489
@@bobmichaels6252 Very well described
Thanks for covering Misplaced Childhood. I agree: it was a huge step forward for the band. (And I'm a little more partial to Clutching at Straws, too.)
As an echo of Genesis, Fish wrote the lyrics and all music was composed by Mark Kelly, Ian Mosley, Steve Rothery, & Pete Trewavas.
Love The Wake, a true 80’s prog classic
IQ as a link between Genesis and the Cardiacs, that's amazing. I can absolutely see that. What an inventive, eye-opening comparison. Especially when seeing IQ in the light of Niadem's Ghost; it's very urgent and fast and frantic.
Famously Martin Orford of IQ loaned his mellotron to Cardiacs to enable them to record a Little Man & A House…
@@marshmallow1680 I absolutely love that fact.
I always saw IQ as the link between Genesis and those early 80's goth electronic bands like Bauhaus. Probably because I think I read somewhere that Peter Nicholls was a big fan of that music at the time.
Im so ecstatic to hear Steven Wilson say he's a fan of IQ. I've always considered them as somewhat of a guilty pleasure, if there is such a thing, but I've always liked IQ up to this day, and would've NEVER guessed Steven liked them. It's one of the few prog bands today that can get me excited about a new album.
Regarding Marillion’s excellent album, I think Steve Rothery deserved some credit. Great solos, as known, they worked over Fish’s beautiful and unique lyrics, such a great work!
I could listen to Tim talk all day.
I’m here for the Marillion analysis. These two know their stuff!
Afraid of Sunlight or Marbles
@DorisDay-lw4xsBrave, Marbles, Afraid of Sunlight
Superb episode, nice to see IQ getting some Props. Keep them coming fellas :)
Both Early Marillion and IQ are very Goth. If you are in to Cure have a listen.
Happy to see Brother Where You Bound getting some love...
I met Steven back in '01, during NEARfest... I asked him about IQ, and he said he wasn't too into them. Said they were "too packaged" for his taste. Fast-forward a while afterwards, and sure enough he admits (in an interview I read) that he had his neo prog bands mixed up, and that he apparently thought IQ was a different band when I inquired at the time, lol!
Love that you covered IQ and Twelfth Night. I remember travelling up to Inverness to see them at the Eden Court Theatre, around 1984 I think.
And Twelfth Night was the main reason that I travelled down to the Reading Festival in 1983. For me TN's 'Fact and Fiction' is one of the best albums of the 80s. ❤
Fables of the Reconstruction is a fabulous album. REM at their Southern gothic greatest.
Very interesting and funny, but "Fables of the reconstruction" was a great record with many extraordinary songs: "Driver 8", "Maps and Legends", "Can't Get There from Here ", "Feeling Gravity's Pull "...
Such a pleasure to hear you talking about Marillion and IQ
Best podcast ever. Hope you unleash the unedited long conversation. People crave long format discussions.
IQ is soo underrated, especially this album. And you're both on the money here, neo-prog was more than just a Genesis copyists' clique, it's very much its own thing in many respects.
Misplaced Childhood will always be the highest point of Fish era for me (even though Script is my personal favourite). Never got why Clutching At Straws is so celebrated though, it is literally Childhood's clone musically and structure-wise.
And hey, my favourite Supertramp album!
I feel like IQ have actually gotten to their peak in the last 10 years or so, Road of Bones is the best thing they've ever done.
Edit: I could have just waited 5 minutes for Steven to say basically the same thing.
@@beneathsands hehe he did!
TROB is in my top5 for sure, but Dark Matter takes the cake, this record is simply flawless
I agree that IQ are very underrated. The Road Of Bones is my favourite album. I like their other albums also, with the exception of Resistance. I’m torn between Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws as I like both equally.
I'm just here to support "Script" - also my personal favourite. Maybe it's because I considered Misplaced Childhood as too much pop, when I got to know the band. But of course, as Tim and Steven argue, there are amazingly good pop songs on the album and I just love the "trilogy" of Pseudo Silk Kimono, Kayleigh and Lavender
@@marcuslamprecht7948 Script was my first Marillion album - it was 2003, I was 16 and I was blown away :) and yes, MC seemed a bit too poppy after that, but it won me over pretty fast
Misplaced Childhood for the best of '85
A fabulous album with some truly outstanding lyrics.
“I was walking in the park, dreaming of a spark
When I heard the sprinklers whisper, shimmer in the haze of summer lawns” 🥰
Fables is a classic! Get with it guys!! First REM I bought. They put a bow on the jangle era with an album that celebrates southern gothic weirdness and idiosyncratic characters who live in the underbelly of the south. It's a deeply southern rock album but its through a lens far removed from the Allmans or Lynyrd Skynyrd but just as deeply southern. I mean how many songs not only name check but include in the title of the a long-forgotten, obscure dud of a 1973 comet. Fables is the sound of R.E.M. at probably their least self-conscious and their most celebratory of the south they grew up in, and the oddballs they grew up around.
Excellent post, just excellent! Awesome descriptions of REM music during this period. REM changed what alternative music could be, they are forever TRAILBLAZERS!
Such a great summary of this album. This is the album where I got on board with REM and decided they were the greatest band in the world, and for about the next four years I continued to believe that.
I´m happy to know that both agree with me about Misplaced Childhood and Clutching Straws.
Wim Mertens started as a radio producer for the BRT (Belgian Radio & Television). He composed Close Cover as a tune for the late night broadcasts. It was released as a track on the mini-album Struggle For Pleasure by Soft Verdict. That's the moniker Wim Mertens started his recording career under. Soft Verdict indeed collaborated with members of Tuxedomoon.
Meraviglioso "The Wake" degli IQ. Ma secondo me "Tales from the Lush attic" è ancor più bello e contiene una delle suite più belle della storia "The last human gateway" ❤
Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws are incredible albums, but don’t overlook the H albums. Brave, Marbles, FEAR, An Hour Before It’s Dark…all great albums.
When I first heard Season's end I was pissed because that's when I learnt of Fish's departure, but grew to love it. But yes, those two albums are art as much as music, thus I have a daughter named Kayleigh😁
Brilliant. Both are incredible. 5 hours analysing a year's albums. I learned a lot of music I didn't know. Motivated by these videos I found two more unanalysed albums, by vangelis and red hot.
Awesome year guys, it actually made me remember when Mylo went down And we sat and cried on the phone. I never felt so alone He was the first of our own.
Some of us went down in a blaze of obscurity, Some of us go down in a haze of publicity, but that is the price of infamy, the edge of insanity 🤷♂
Fables of the Reconstruction is more than alright
🎯🎯🎯🎯!
Best podcast ever. Keep the video episodes coming!
I loved listening to them wax lyrical about Misplaced Childhood, one of my favourite Marillion albums which was very influential on my musical tastes - I agree with everything they said! (though I do love this album, I think Fugazi might be my favourite Fish-era Marillion album). I also recently discovered that Steven was heavily involved in Fish's "Sunsets on Empire" album which is one of my favourite albums of all time!
Eberhard Weber was also on The Dreaming (All the Love - featured heavily). He is on 4 albums overall: Hounds of Love, The Dreaming, Sensual World and Aerial.
Brother Where you Bound has always been my favourite Supertramp album 👍
Great episode guys, so pleased you covered IQ, one of those much underrated bands, that amazingly seem to get better the older they get.
Oh, the depth of knowledge these guys have is amazing. I have a lot of bands to discover!
I was surprised The Damned's Phantasmagoria didn't get a mention. In ways it was a trailblazer for Goth. An Identikit picture of what the genre was. But it also had Kate Bush's former producer and a slight Marillion texture. For myself I was listening to Curtain Call back to back with Grendel in 1983 as both songs appeared as B sides to 12 inch singles around this time.
It was ony very late when I was able to watch this 2nd part of a great music year...
I was give the opportunity to search and meet a really great band..Marrillion...
No one easily belives that it is from that year...or rather how many laters bands have the wonderful inpired...
Thank you that apart from REM you mentioned Eno and Dire Straits...
You both have great chemistry!!!👍🙏💯💎💿💎📀💎💞💕🌬🌊🎶
love these chats, I'm always left with at least one unfamiliar recording to explore
I love the framework or series of talks you guys are doing. Amazing discussion, gents. Best part is you both are educating and exposing people to what was a monster year in music, 1985! ❤
Nice video, Steve and Tim. ^^
Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always, Dead Can Dance - Spleen and Ideal, Scritti Politti - Cupid & Psyche 85 and Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen are my fave albums of that year.
I could add the debut album of Clan of Xymox as my fave album of it, as well.
I cant stop geeking out on that t-shirt! 🌱
Thank you gentlemen. I loved the episode. so informative. Can’t wait to hear the Wim Mertens.
IQ❤
😊 I absolutely love both of you guys and your tastes and your musics. Do not stop this. I absolutely love it! I'm 53 and a jazz/prog fanatic so this speaks to me on so many levels. THANK YOU!
Really enjoying, or should I say "liking" these reviews of music from select years. I am enjoying your passion for music and the pleasure of talking about it!
Watching/listening to you from Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺
You guys went from one of my fav duos (No-Man) to one of my fav podcasts ♥️
girl, same!
Good episode guys. Much more interesting than the previous 1985 podcasts. Educational.
I love what you're doing here, chaps!!! A bit surprised you didn't decipher the german word "Harmonielehre" though... 😃😃😃It alludes to the book by Arnold Schönberg with the same name... Waiting eagerly for the next year in this brilliant series!! Cheers!
Love Fables...a ton...you guys are a ton of fun, regardless!
I didn't realise that the Wim Mertens you talk about was written for Jan Fabre's The Power of Theatrical Madness. I saw that show at the South Bank Centre in London (3 hours, no break!). It was an astounding experience.
Old Ways is a great album. Glad to hear that someone else thinks the same! Heck, I love Landing on Water too.
always find stuff i have not heard... thank you !
Please keep going with this podcast! Nothing entertains me quite as much!
The only place talking about so must kind of music😊
Agree about the melodic brilliance of Misplaced Childhood...it's shot through with sugar-rush moments, even on Side 2 from which no single was culled (Lords of the Backstage, Blind Curve, White Feather - all utterly anthemic)
I love the H-era and think Hogarth can also be a great melodicist, but it often feels to me like the vocal melody has been 'tacked on' to a band jam. In their defence, they've done 4x the number of albums since Fish left.
Loved this episode. So many albums that were also mine, specially in the pop realm. Loved it!
Most influential for what was to come on the alternative guitar scene from this point onwards were the 2 albums from Husker Du this year: New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig
Yeah! Those Hüsker Dü albums represented a 1985 zeitgeist , especially for those of us in Minneapolis that year.
Birdy by PG and Alchemy by DS were my favorite albums of the year. I was 17 and open to almost anything. But these 2 albums spoke volumes to me in design and execution. Once, I made my metal friends listen to these records and they were blown away.
selective memory
Wilson keeps interrupting tim. Let him speak.
I agree - and this is coming from a long time fan of SW. Interrupters can ruin a whole podcast.
I think it’s because Wilson is the time-keeper whereas Tim is the slow-paced bloke.
So glad you brought up Wim Mertens! That title track is one of my all time favourites.
Misplaced Childhood is my favorite Marillion album. Kayleigh is an all time classic imo. 1985 was also a great year for Thrash Metal. A number of classic albums released that year. Would be great if you did an episode on it. Ah I see this is the final episode for 1985. Oh well.
I'm not really a fan, but I'm impressed Steven gave his take on IQ.
Appreciate the Misplaced Childhood discussion..and yes, Mylo is definitely sad and poppy and pretty. 1 of the best parts of the record.
Funny I don't really like misplaced but I looove clutching. On the radio they played the entire script before the clutching at straws premiere (those were the times) so listeners could see how bad the latter was, LOL! I love the first albums too btw
Great podcast, guys !
Such a shame not to take a deep dive into REM. Possibly the best American Band of the 1980s (along with the Talking Heads) and early 90s. And no, Neil made several country-like albums. Not just that one.
yeah, as with most privately educated boys, they give the impression they know exactly wot they talkin 'bout even when their knwldge is severely limited.
That is awesome to hear. I never got into REM, so I had no idea they had such a rich discography. Is there a particular earlier album you recommend to someone who has only heard the singles?
@@CompleteProducer84 Start with 'Murmur' (1st album), give it a good few listens and you will want to progress to 'Reckoning'....after that you'll be off on the trajectory of their career album by album if you have any sense. Such a rich tapestry of songwriting, styles, melodies and themes which evolve and go off in tangents. You put in a little bit of effort and time and you will be rewarded ten fold. Enjoy
@@simonodonnell778 Great thank you, I will check out Murmur tonight
Excellent episode! Everybody's Rockin' was reportedly the one that pushed Geffen to breaking point, and you can kind of see his point.
It's a delight to listen to you talking about albums I've never heard or even know the band. But I'm searching for the music in my streaming software (buuh!) or even find already existing playlists to your album years. That's nice. I've even bought Goldies Saturn Returnz based on your descriptions. Well, what an experience... But please, Steven, provide poor poor Tim a better chair. You are sitting in your favorite fart chair and poor poor Tim sitting on this uncomfortably looking kitchen chair (or the piano chair of the last episode). Good lord! That's rude! :D Go on with this. This is wonderful. 5 stars from me. ★★★★★
So nice to go through all these albums. Makes me reach to some of them to have a listen. On some particulars, I think Supertramp "brother where you bound" is really great throughout. About Merci from Magma, when I discovered them in 1997, I acquired most of the catalogue very quickly and at the time it was the final Magma album and it did not leave a great impression on me, it felt a downer compared to the rest, it is probably time to have a new listen to it on its own merit.
Mmmm.... None of these entered my sphere in 85 (thankfully), but each to their own.
Here's my top 5 of that year :
1 Clan of Xymox - Clan of Xymox
2 City Slab Horror - Severed Heads
3 Endangered Species - Fatal Charm
4 Clifford Darling, Please Don't Live in the Past - Severed Heads
5 Low Life - New Order.
I also love John Adams, Steve Reich, Eberhard Weber, and Arvo Part. Most rock critics would not go there. From 1985 I like Song for Everyone by Indian violinist L. Shankar.. An ECM release, it features Jan Garbarek and percussionists Zakir Hussain and Trilok Gurtu.
I hope you will discuss Ionas "Beyond these shores" from 1995. It's a bit Enya goes prog with a few pop sprinkled in the mix. It's one of my favorite albums. Bass from Nick Beggs and a bit from Robert Fripp. Very underrated album, I think.
Wim DID do soundtracks soon after this era! He did Peter Greenaway's "The Belly of an Architect" (1991)
Andrew Poppy isn't just "operating now", he's producing some of his strongest, most accessible and most fascinating work at the moment. I highly recommend his 2019 "Hoarse Songs" and 2022 "Jelly" albums.
Methinks “Hounds of Love” is probably the best album (especially side 2.) Most influential, and I’m going out on a limb here is Nighttime by Killing Joke, mostly rhythmically but also for production - think NIN, Nirvana, Industrial, etc.
Absolutely love the chats... so much to learn with your wealth of knowledge
1985 for me, in song...
KATE BUSH - The Ninth Wave (yes. the entire suite)
I wondered if you’d heard Anne Pigalle’s Everything Could Be So Perfect… also 1985 and also on ZTT. It was part of my ZTT playlist at the time. Still is for that matter.. 👍
Actually, yes. A lovely album.
I will have to check out that Supertramp...never heard it!
You have to do it!! Do not miss on the big suite on that album. One of the best epics from Supertramp 😊
got it now!
It's good, real good! I was surprised at how solid it was, top to bottom.
For me, here in Mexico, these video episodes are way better cause I can seek more music, on audio only episodes I couldn’t understand some names, being Spanish my first language, I’ve grown accustomed to American English, I can understand maybe 98%. Love your music too.
You're missing out, fellas! Fables is top-drawer REM.
@DorisDay-lw4xs Up is the album where they pretty much lost me. They were my favorite band for a long time, but the stretch of albums between Up and Around the Sun was just so generic sounding to me. The pulled me back in with their last two albums before breaking up when they finally stopped trying to be Pet Sounds era Beach Boys.
Many similar thoughts about some of the 1985 albums covered today. Prefer "Clutching at Straws" over "Childhood's End" (was bummed when Fish left after CAS, because I thought they'd really found more of their own sound and style, being a bit less derivative), really thought Supertramp's "Brother Where You Bound" was a great disc (very well recorded as well...great sounding), and though I never got into the IQ release from '85, fully agree "The Road of Bones" was a really good album with some great vox from Peter Nicholls (have to confess he was a bit nasally for my taste until post 2000...his voice timbre and style definitely matured after he hit his 40s). 1985 had a big impact on me musically, so it's interesting to hear the discussions. Keep it up. Cheers!
You covered everything, but there was also that Clan of xymox album from 4AD, in the dark wave category, holds up today pretty well. Rem Fables is a question of tastes, if you like 80's REM, it's solid.
Bruce Cockburn fan here. Don't forget about him
5 out of 5 stars!!
Two music nerds chatting about interesting music. What more can you want!
Excellent as always gentlemen , fond regards..Alan
Wonderful fun and enlightening, even to a "knowledgeable" fan of these albums.
Hounds Of Love was incredibly influential on Hip Hop/Urban for 2 reasons. The drum sounds and the overall levels they managed in the mastering. The Hounds had an RMS level of 18-15 db's.
For me, Propaganda's A Secret Wish is my absolute favourite record from 1985. I liked FGTH (1984 and 1986 ) and Andrew Poppy, too (Alphabed from 1987, too).
I love your podcast. You are music scholars. Conspicuously absent from your discussion is Propaganda's A Secret Wish, although Steven named it as one of his favorite albums. 🤩
Strange not any Holy Wars by Tuxedomoon, Great video though !!! Magma !!!!!!
Love the Wim Martins album.
Love your show.
How about lilac time/ Stephen Duffy. He’s like you, he stayed true to himself
Let's hear it for Steve Reich In The Afternoon
Marvellous, boys.
btw, random question - does anyone know what the tablet-like gizmo that Steven is referring to on his lap in these videos? I presume it's some kind of tablet at least, he's poking and swiping on it a lot!
You guys are so funny together.
I like REM but I don’t really know the first five albums at all. I really started with Green and then my interest lasted up to around Up (so the 90s output, the most commercially successful period I guess). Those albums are enough for me. Maybe I’m doing them a disservice not giving the early albums a go, but that’s what it is.
To me 1985 also had fine LPs from Cock Robin, Sade, Mr Mister, Howard Jones and Simply Red worth mentioning. And on a heavier note, both Anthrax, Slayer and Celtic Frost released some hard hitting albums that year
@DorisDay-lw4xs Yes, Howard Jones two first albums are gems. Lucky you are to have seen him in his prime! DIA, Humans lib, The 12s album an Action replay are among my all time faves in that genre.