The Deicide Problem: To Hell With AI Artwork
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2024
- How’s it going folks? Here’s a little discussion that may divide some of you about the new AI artwork revealed by US Death Metal legends Deicide. Let me know what you think as always!
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What times we live in. Imagine if Iron Maiden reissued their old albums and replaced Derek Rigg's work with AI
Exactly, mate. It’s absolutely mind-boggling that they thought it was a good idea
Didn’t maiden already do this with Dance of death, a matter of life and death, Brave new world… weren’t they all CGI art? It may not be AI but still lazy as fuck.
@@U.K.death-and-black-metal I think it was just that shitty digitised stuff. At least a human put it together with the intention of doing something cool though. AI has 0 intentions. It has to do as it’s told and just shits out whatever it can. It’s then up to the band / label or both to realise that it’s a dumb idea and that they shouldn’t plaster it on the front of their new album.
@@U.K.death-and-black-metalas much as I don’t like that art direction, CGI is still at the end of the day actual art that someone put effort into.
100% Agree. On the flip side though this rant was so good I kind of want more ai controversies so I can see more rants from you haha Great vid
Hahaha! I think my heart can only take one of these every so often 🤣 Glad you enjoyed it mate, cheers for watching! 🤘🏼
"Artwork"
Gotta remember to include the quotation marks.
I’m with you. It’s a bummer to see a band as big as Deicide using AI art. The generic style feels like a throwback to the late 90s and early 2000s era when shitty photoshop covers became the norm for a few years.
Exactly, those shitty photoshop covers did not age well
The photoshop stuff was atrocious, however I would argue that, despite them being undeniable eyesores, at least some poor fucker sat down and actually attempted to craft something cool. The AI stuff is literally a case of “let’s see what this computer can shit out all over the front of our new record”
Honestly using ai art or ai in music takes the rawness,brutality,and emotion. Deicide has always had Great artwork I dont know why they decided to use ai.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s lifeless, tacky nonsense and it has no place in Extreme Metal. I’ve never loved Deicide’s cover art bar a couple of them, but man there is no excuse for AI
Deicide are one of the rare exceptions. They have money. At least enough to pay an even decent artist to give them something that's more than sufficient. Not all, but most artists actually listen to Death Metal (Metal in general). So, a lot of them would be more than willing to add a Deicide album cover to their resume at a discount. If need be. If they had to. But Glen alone has the funds needed to pay for an album cover. I'm also not surprised they went this route, though. He has a reputation of being a tight wad. They make more than just a living.
This band made one good album
The album cover concept could look great if it wasn't digital. AI makes it lamer, but even if it was computer generated by a human it still looks lamer than if it had been painted or drawn. Great video man.
Totally agree, they could’ve been onto something there if they had just sat for a while and thought about it, instead of relying on the computer to throw something at them. No doubt, the polished look is an absolute eyesore! Cheers, mate! Thanks for watching 🤘🏼
Love the lighting in this one. Gives a goddamn brilliant atmosphere, perfect for the channel.
Appreciate it! Glad it’s finally working!
What's funny is that the new Kerry King record cover art, for as bland as it is, actually does have an artist attributed to it.
Haha! Yeah, it almost makes it worse… Almost!
So does the Deicide cover... Artwork by Neny Dukic Design c/o Mortis Ores
I agree. One of the best things about metal is the artwork on albums. Especially extreme metal. Covers like Tales From The Thousand Lakes, In the Nightside Eclipse, Blessed Are The Sick, At The Heart of Winter, Abigail, Powerslave, etc, are part of the DNA of metal. But as music moves to a more single track, jump around on a digital playlist format will the album cover lose its importance?
Ive done album artwork work for a handful of underground bands, and this is a huge concern. Art is becoming a dying profession. I would imagine in the future AI will completely take over all art and music even.
I’m hoping the uproar will spark some common sense from somewhere to be honest. Absolute hot garbage
"Schroedinger's Album" is a great phrase for these times we live in where there is so much hype and long lead to album releases. I'm going to steal that in conversation!!
Haha! It’s all yours, mate. I’m glad it made sense, as this was a bit of an off the cuff rant 😅
I did it for my industrial ambient project simply because I’m poor and don’t have the cash to outsource for an artist
I respect that far more than a digitised piece of disposable crap! Even if it comes out looking like a 5-year old drew it, at least you went for it!
@@Altars_of_Mattness I’ve been on physical media before but my worldview sometimes gets in the way of labelheads taking an interest in me, plus when I was in my 20s I was a real shithead who had poor interpersonal skills
I would never even entertain having artwork for my music be done by AI. The cover is supposed to represent the visual aspect of the experience. You might as well use prompts for the music then too. Punch in the bpm, time signature and key, drum style for each part, and generate. It would actually be easy to prompt the vocal patterns for Benton too since he has like one template. Feed the morons what they want if they are still buying Deicide records in 2024 anyway.
Remove the human element at any stage of creation, and it ceases to be a work of art. It's just another commodity or product. If Mr. Benton wanted to save money, he could have easily done a shout-out to his fans. Surely there are artists among us who would have offered up something kick-ass for a reasonable price.
Chris Moyen's covers will always be considered by me and many to be a guarantee of quality. The first thing we look at is the design and colors and logo and then we begin to associate music with paintings and paints
Totally agree man. The band members are artists, they should know the importance of paying other artists for their work instead of using a lazy soulless AI rip-off of countless artists uncredited work merged together. I'm sure there are plenty of skilled people who would be more than thrilled to get the opportunity of making Deicide's album art. Plus, they're pretty damn popular so I doubt they couldn't afford it. Great vid as always!
Precisely, very well said. They simply should know better and respect themselves more than that. It’s like they’re completely out of the loop, don’t care about music at all and literally just see dollar signs. They want to talk about blasphemy? That’s fucking blasphemous right there. Appreciate the kind words, mate. Much appreciated 🤘🏼
Love your take on this topic,count me in! Album jackets sometimes are the icing to an already tasty cake if you will. Excellent sound on this video,just perfect. And love the Draculas crypt lighting too,or the lack of lighting rather.😅 Take care my friend.
Cheers, mate! Appreciate the kind words! Album art is super important regardless of which way you look at it. As you say, it’s something that enhances the whole experience, especially on physical formats. Haha! Love that, pleased the lighting and sound are both working finally! 🤣🤘🏼
Many bands are using AI art for their first release,which i can understand to a certain extent. But Deicide one of the biggest and most popular death metal bands of all time using it, is just plain lazy. They obviously have the budget for it.
I get it to an extent, however I’d rather you just fucking drew it yourself if you can’t afford a commissioned piece. At least make it look like you give a shit!
As a small artist, I absolutely hate that too. The worst is that Pestillence have one too that’s even worse, it looks like they haven’t even bothered with cropping out the one prompt they like out the 4 that it spat out.
Not only that, they made like a thing where they asked people wchich is better, the AI thing or the art to their second album (the one with ants) then they proceeded to defend the AI when people chose the OG.
The artist of the old one is dead, it’s so disrespectful and tasteless.
I hope Nile knows better, because they’re my favorite of these bands (classic dm bands that should release album soon).
You saying piss poor in your delightful northern English accent is my favorite thing
Hahaha! I’ll try and throw it in as an Easter egg every now and then 🤣
They’ve just changed the artwork for the newest single haha, Glen listened to ya, Matt.
And rightly so, too! 🤣
Glen Benton hand typed the keywords of that art!
Bands using AI art is super lazy. Imagine spending 2+ years writing an album then slapping a 5 minute AI image on it. If the album takes 2 years to make the artwork should take at least 2 weeks and reflect the emotion of the album. AI as a tool for concepts or textures is fine.
The year is 2055. You wake up on your birthday and a hologram of Glen Benton enters your bedroom to wish you a happy birthday, tells you to hail satan, and proceeds to remind you that your own personal Deicide album is available to purchase. Every metalhead received an AI Deicide album on their birthday this year, complete with unique artwork. You either have to listen to a commercial between each song, or you have to pay for it outright.
This is not far fetched anymore
Honestly, if Deicide hadn't declared the artwork as AI, this would've been the best looking 'hand drawn' cover art they ever produced 😅😂. and that's the truth. And it is only gonna grow, artists cannot stop technology but they will be using it for the future whether be it as a tool or the entire art.
also "the computer spits out art in 5 seconds, not 5 minutes. In whatever the fuck you input in it"
I’m curious the degree to which budget played into this. This particular Deicide record is on a one album deal so it might be possible that there wasn’t a lot of money in the budget for production etc. perhaps they thought it was better to put the money into say making a video and go bare bones on the album cover in the hopes that having visual accompaniments would help push the album. Just my personal curiosity.
Quality cover artwork isn't expensive these days. Do you know how many amazing unknown artists would do *anything* to have their artwork on a DEICIDE album??? There are no excuses.
@@SelfRighteousNewAgeLightWorker well alrighty then.
Maybe the album is also AI generated, in which case great, I can just throw it straight into the trash. Why even have people, if people aren't making it, then why have people looking or listening to it, just make AI listen to it, go full vertical integration. AI has no emotional investments, no tastes, no preferences, it'll do whatever without any bias, or more specifically point of view. Nothing will inspire it, no need for humans at all in this process. For example I got to do some album artwork, once for a band and another time for a movie soundtrack and guess what I did, I listened to the album, what did it make me feel, what visuals did I gravitate to, what was the mood, all of that was pretty important. For the soundtrack I watched the movie, it was pretty bad, but the music was fun, so how do I make the art both reference the movie and also capture the feeling of the music, well that sounds like some research and a fun problem to solve. Well unfortunately sometimes people decide that the end product is the only thing that matters and they also don't really care what it is as long as it sorta captures some vague cliche and oh boy will AI provide.
In the words of Stavros Halkias "How did fucking computers become the thing machines became the thing that does art and humans were the ones in fucking Amazon warehouses, like shouldn’t the robots be working so we can paint? Why aren’t the robots the fucking slaves, how are humans the fucking slaves, we should have lives of leisure with the AI, it should be coolest thing of all time.”
Deicide vs Kerry King lol same generator used
You’d think so, however supposedly KK at least had an actual artist do his cover (despite it also being shite)
Publishing an album with AI art is just disrespectful to the entire scene. What they're saying to their audiences that they don't actually care about creativity expression they would rather give money to a corporation who trains machines to steal from artists than support passion and creativity and if that's how they feel I'm never going to listen to another deicide song.
I would rather a band use a stock photo or just not even have album art then use AI sludge.
How do you feel about albums using pre-existing artwork, like Blessed Are The Sick for example? It's another instance of artwork being used where no artist was paid to create it.
Personally, I gave up caring about new material from Deicide a long time ago, but their decision to use AI to generate their artwork doesn't bother me.
Apologies for the late response. Just coming back to these comments now. Hmm, interesting question. I’d argue that non-commissioned, yet genuinely painted or drawn art pieces are still a step above AI art, as the artists can at least choose art that will fit their aesthetic and their album’s theme, plus the original artwork actually came from someone’s intellect and talent, as opposed to a robot that is forced to spit something out in seconds.
That said, the money thing is still an issue with that, and it’s nowhere near as preferable as commissioning original art, and it’s nowhere near as cool.
I think Glen should get drunk and paint the next cover.
Now THAT I would be on board with! 🤣
Agreed, so lazy
Sadly there are a lot of crap album covers, lotsa generic stuff. Ed Repka was a killer artist in the 80s but now so many bands are using him.
There’s lots of crap and lots of great stuff. I think we have some of the best artwork in music period though. We’ve been a bit spoiled in truth, we’ve almost gotten used to the amazing so now it’s all samey same haha 😄
@@Altars_of_Mattness yeah, there's still some cool stuff, especially the gory death metal stuff. There were some bad...really bad, covers on the 80s, which are now considered colt but there's nothing cheaper than some joe bloggs elitist bemoaning RUclips content behind a keyboard.
What do u think of the NEW Morbid Saint album, Swallowed by Hell?!❤
Better than I expected actually! Not bad, not bad!
I get all thats being said and great vid. I just have three short point i wanna say. First of all we dont know the process of this cover art yet (as i understand). So we are just speculating that it was done "easily". Second, i remember around the turn of the millennium, suddenly a lot of cover art began having this new (at the time) cheap digital art style (i didnt like it), because everyone was getting, and using computers. I just wanted to mention that. Its sort of a simuler wave (in the arts). And thirdly, at the end of the day, a fitting cover DOES matter, but number one is the music. Who knows if the band was even "in on it". They signed with a new company called RPM, "for the development and marketing of the new album", according to google. Anyway great video! Keep metal METAL!
Love Maiden…… but the art for the album, Dance of Death was absolutely worse than this Deicide album.
Good take
Cheers, mate!
I have a few thoughts here:
While I don't agree with the assessment that using AI to generate the cover art is inherently bad, I'm genuinely curious why everyone seems to be starting the conversation with the presumption that Deicide ever specifically cared about, hand-picked, or otherwise took great care in selecting their cover artwork. Is there any evidence to support this position or is it just as likely that they have some (hypothetical) intern at the record label manage their artwork and say "good enough" when it's presented to them? I just think it's an interesting assumption to make, with as far as I can tell, minimal supporting evidence.
I also wonder what everyone's thoughts would be if the artwork had turned out amazing and then it later came out that it was AI generated. Does the fact that we mostly all agree that it's boring have an impact on how this was perceived?
What about bands that use artwork in the public domain (e.g. Morbid Angel - Blessed are the Sick), does any/all of this same thought process and arguments apply in those cases? Does it extend outward to other areas of the music and production such as using drum machines or digital instrumentation? Where is the line drawn and why?
All of that said, I am definitely in agreement that the chosen artwork is generic and uninteresting and would probably also prefer something hand-made by an artist, but I don't agree that it has to be or that artists have a right for it to be.
Interesting questions! To your first point, I’m perhaps under the illusion, but I expect nevertheless that the band at least picks their artwork. The thought of having someone from the outside doing it seems equally as lazy as if they had generated the AI artwork themselves. The public domain point is interesting, and admittedly a bit of a grey area, however for covers like ‘Blessed…’, it’s painted, creative and it fits the sort’ve Lovecraftian vibe of some of the songs on the album itself. It seems like an actual artistic decision as opposed to the “that’ll do” approach.
If the artwork was amazing, then I’d hold my hands up, however 10/10 times I can pretty much guarantee it’ll come out with overly digitised crap regardless of whether or not it looks generic. My view would remain the same on whether or not it should be used, as real artists have been replaced and it’s a lazy approach whichever way you wish to look at it. These are all good points though. I’d be curious to hear others’ takes on these! Cheers for taking the time to comment 🤘🏼
@@Altars_of_Mattness funny enough, we even have an interesting example today. The new Ihsahn album looks awfully familiar 🤔
Glad you made this video, its a worrying trend that is cheap and soulless. I am really hoping this doesn't become the norm
Yeah, I’m hoping the amount of flack the band is getting will put into perspective that it’s not worth the efficiency and lower cost. You’re literally better off getting the pencils out and having a go yourself. It’s much more respectable
I dont know if it is intentional or not, but as far as marketing goes its genius to be one of the first AI used in the subgenre. People with no interest in Deicide will spread that album cover far and wide and give it very good exposure.
The way I see it, it’s the complete and total opposite of genius. I could have bet my left testicle on the first guy to use AI being someone like Benton, an out of the loop old man with 0 passion left, thinking “oh that’s cool, I bet everyone is going to love this”. I can almost hear it 🙄
Finally, someone who is equally as passionate in their hatred of Alchemy Gothic t-shirts 😄I hadn't heard about this, so it will be interesting to see if the band address it. What are the liner notes going to say- Album art by Midjourney?
There's been a lot of instances recently where publishing companies have be found to use AI on book covers. Their excuse is that they commissioned an artist in good faith, who then went on to use AI. How they get signed off by the company is another issue. I think we'll be seeing a lot of AI art this year, you might want to start a folder collecting examples for a name and shame end of year video
Hahaha yeah, man. How to tell someone you want look like you’re into Metal, but you’re really not 🤣 They seem to have addressed it by deleting comments and shit. Not the best approach, can’t lie. Aye, that sounds like a load of trash to me. Of course they knew what was going on. They’re not fooling anyone. We know it’s faster and cheaper, cut the crap
I honestly think it’s the label. This label their on seems extremely new and random as hell. Honestly they should have tried hells headbangers or other labels that know metal.
Could well be actually. I hadn’t considered that!
Lol at "they should have tried labels that know metal". The label Reigning Phoenix Music is basically Atomic Fire Records after somewhat of a restructuring. And Atomic Fire Records is basically Nuclear Blast 2.0, since it was started and ran by the people who started and grew Nuclear Blast into the huge label it is.
"Alters of Mattness" haha i just got it.
It was done strictly for business and while I understand bands don't make a lot of money, it shouldn't get in the way or take priority over your art and music. I was hoping Taylor would inject a little life into the band but Grandpa Glen wins again.
Exactly, mate. It’s so fucking disappointing. It eradicates all excitement I had for the album, because I’m now expecting the same half arsed approach to the music. The singles were okay, but my anticipation is basically 0 for the rest of it now
So artwork is great
Each to their own! Im personally not a fan of it
Deicide changed the artwork for that single on their Spotify
Isn’t that just the single art though? They had a similar looking piece for the first single as well. The entire cover art is the AI one
Microphone sounds good!
Cheers, mate! Pleased it’s finally working!
Nice to hear your thoughts on this Matt. AI is just taking over everything now, when you can get AI to make a video script for you, and get an AI voice to speak the video for you, what chance have we got??
But when it comes to bands using AI artwork, you're right, it's cheap and lazy. Especially for a band as big as Deicide, you'd think they would be against this crap. I guess they can do what they want, whether we like it or not, I don't think Glen really cares. But for me, I made my own artwork for my first solo project. Even though I learned Photoshop on the job, and it looked rubbish, I'd much rather have that than AI art make it for me! And I'd much rather have someone with real artistic talent, either graphic designer or physical artist to make my album art any day! 😊🤘🏻
Cheers for commenting your thoughts, Josh! From what I’m seeing, there’s no chance it’ll replace the quality of what real people can accomplish artistically, as it’s unable to capture the emotion and thought process that makes a lot of art what it is. However, it definitely has the convenience factor that makes it alluring. It’s cheap, it’s easy, and it’s very very quick.
Exactly mate! Even if it looks shit, you at least had a creative direction you wanted to explore and you tried to execute it. That’s what it’s all about!
@Altars_of_Mattness You're welcome mate! For my next stream we'll be talking about this in more detail. Yeah you're absolutely right, what makes art of any form is the human element, the raw emotion in it! That's what you lose with AI art. Yeah, making AI art is very cheap and easy, and if it carries on real artists with real talent will out of work!
Ha yeah man, I had a clear vision of what I wanted, even if the execution wasn't great, I tried to do it myself. And for the complete edition I actually got someone who is good at Photoshop to help me fulfil my vision! Cheers man 😊 🤘🏻
The decline of great album art begun with the CGI, photoshop copy and paste art in the early 00s. AI takes laziness to a new level though.
I wonder if they used AI to write the lyrics as well?
They might as well for all I care about it at this point. The album isn’t going to be a great conceptual piece, let’s be honest. As long as it has the words ‘Satan, Christ and holy’ in it, then it’s a Deicide record. We’d never know either way if it’s AI or not 🤣
What about those 80s cut and pasted newspaper pictures punk and hardcore bands used, were they the precursor to photoshop?
Maybe, but it's certainly a style I have always liked.
@@iglumajorthat was through DIY ethic and necessity, not laziness. The old photocopied zines took effort, not just knowing how to open paint on a PC.
I agree...although, before I knew it was A.I, I did like how it looked inspired by the debut album cover
Now that I know, I guess they just input the cover into the AI program like a dash of pepper
Precisely, it’s just a mashup of a bunch of loose themes that they wanted it to resemble. Sheer laziness
At least legion was actually a deicide original symbolism that was actually human digitally created
I agree using AI for album covers is quite a statement of how important you think it is as an artist, despite the fact it costs more or less.
That said, are we to blame the artist first or think of this as one of those "Sign of the times" situations?
I am not fully aware of the finances of Pestilence or Deicide and how much of what they win comes from live shows vs streams vs merch vs something else. But if you know that most of the people who will listen to the songs (I am talking about overall numbers, not the true death metal ghetto) will just do it out of spotify and then you'll be asked to do a Legion Tour again instead of the new songs, then I sort of get it.
This is shitty as it gets, I just believe that we are much more down to blame the artist first than thinking what we do to support the industry and the underground genres (not about OP, he talks about Pre-Ordering so I'm certain he does support the bands he love, I'm talking in general)
If Deicide have spent the last 37 years dealing with criticism regarding their music, it's unrealistic to expect them to care about your opinion regarding their new album cover. No such thing as bad press either.
Again,Music doesn't Sell.
I think that’s a cop out. Music would sell a hell of a lot better with a nice piece of art on the front, instead of that throwaway muck
Did they say they used AI?
I agree with your points here. When I saw the art of Deicide's upcoming album, I was like "Oh no, oh no". The artwork, like most AI art I've seen, just comes across as bland and uninspired.
I'm eager to hear the rest of the album since I liked the first single but that album cover doesn't give me much confidence for the album.
It’s just pointless. They may as well have had a blank cover if they were going to pick any old garbage that an emotionless computer shat out.
I imagine the music will fit the layout to be honest. Just template, uninspired 2000s Deicide. The cover and laziness surrounding it alone tells me that
Dude, You ain't ugly, man... For real! 🤘🤘
what do you say about the artworks for aborted's new project?
Looks kinda cool. Reminds me loads of ‘Hacked up For Barbecue’ by Mortician. Paying homage to a fucking brilliant album and great Benscoter cover. Not super original though, and I bet the record won’t be anything near the vein of Mortician 🤣
I mean who the fuck want to spend 25 bucks on AI art merch? They aren't saving money by this in the long term.
The cover art to Monstrosity's 'In Dark Purity' is almost as ugly as 'Millennium'... 🤮
'Millennium' looks good for what it is, in my opinion… it's not perfect, but there's some creativity there. 😁 'In Dark Purity' is the uglier cover in my opinion, but it still serves its purpose as an evolutionary stepping stone in 90s Digital Art. MONSTROSITY probably thought both covers looked great at the time, and they most likely paid an actual Graphic Designer.
@@SelfRighteousNewAgeLightWorker I just don't understand how you can have one of the absolute best Dan Seagrave cover artworks ever made on your debut, and then settle for such cheap looking cover 'art' on your following two albums? 🫣
@@cbn6635MONSTROSITY definitely cut corners, that's for sure. 😄 As for Dan Seagrave, I don't remember him being very active in the late 90s after his great active period from the late 80s to the mid 90s or so. When I was a kid I thought those two latter MONSTROSITY albums looked cool, but since then my eye has become more critical, of course. The debut album definitely features one of Seagrave's greatest pieces, though!
@@SelfRighteousNewAgeLightWorker Even Seagrave got a little predictable eventually, but his best early work is legendary.. 👌
This is the most blasphemous thing Glen Benton has ever done.
Haha yeah, mate. I have to agree with you there. Ruins the illusion a tad 🤣
If a musician isn't going to support my creative field, I'm not going to support theirs.
That’s definitely a fair trade if you ask me. Support the artists is what I often say when it comes to music, but it goes for the artists who do the cover art as well. Going back to my self-checkout analogy…
Deicide would tell you,People don't buy music anymore,just some,So,they're not going to spend money,if they can't sell music.
That just sounds like a cop out to me. Even if people aren’t buying music (which they definitely are), have more respect for the thing you helped create. For me, there’s no excuse. It’s just lazy
B.s. Mass amounts of albums get sold.
Seeing AI covers feels like such a massive stab in the back. Music isn't too far off from being able to be AI generated, AI song covers are already a thing, and I know (rightly so) musicians wouldnt be happy about that. So why is it fine to use AI art? People should be leaving it to die out rather than using it as a cheap shortcut to make a mediocre cover. AI will come to other forms of creativity.
This band is terrible
Couldn’t agree more with your breakdown here Matt mate. Utter nonsense just like the Kerry king gash. Excellent video here mate! AI is the enemy of mankind
Appreciate that, Dylan. Cheers, mate! Fuck AI and fuck this shitty decision from Deicide
I love it the music still great that's all that matters stop crying
You’re allowed to like it, mate. It’s a full package for me, a guy who supports artists by buying physical media. I personally don’t want that shit on my shelf. Keep listening and supporting if that’s what you want to do. Affects me none, but these are my takes 🤷🏻♂️😁
So asking for artistic integrity is crying and whining? Childish af
Yeah 100% right.. I won’t listen to a band if I don’t like their logo or art work..
The art looks good but im not happy its made by ai
Tastes differ, mate. Liking the look of it is one thing, but as you say, the AI input is bullshit regardless
Think Glen got over his Christianity phobia yet? :D He must of been ritually abused as a child. I like their 1st album though.
DEICIDE's creative fire died out in the 90s. Glenny Benny using AI generated imagery just shows how little he cares anymore. 👎🏼🤢
clearly its just a gimmick at this point. Its like when you're working in a career in your 50s and 60s but don't really have the passion or cares for it anymore.
That Deicide artwork and especially that Kerry King artwork are so weak. The material that both bands have released are pretty good. But the artwork is so blah. Get artwork I wanna buy.
Agreed mate, as somebody else said in the comments, even if the music turns out amazing, I’m not having that shit on a vinyl jacket. Thankfully I’m not crazy about the music so far, but I like Deicide, and I want the new music to be good as much as the next guy… just not with that artwork!
AI “art” is not and never will be art. It’s lazy, soulless, ugly, generic slop. It’s especially disappointing to see a band in the metal genre use it, since metal has always been the genre that more than any other, lifts up and exhibits illustrations/artists. John Baizley, Arik Roper, Ed Repka, Derek Riggs, Vince Locke, Zbignew Bielak, Andrew Bouzikov, Necrolord, David D’Andrea, Tim Lehi, Santos, etc etc. Disgusting to see a band like Deicide, who worked with Bielak on their last album even, follow it up with this soulless robot monstrosity.
People (not necessarily you, OP) not realizing AI has been in art for at least two decades. Those people all let it happen and didnt say a thing. And now pretend to be offended. It's no different than robots doing creative manual labour either that cost people jobs, but now that it's their precious bands and artwork and games costing people jobs, it's somehow time to clutch our pearls.
I think there is no excuses for lazy artwork from the big bands when smaller bands are getting exceptional art done by great artists like Brad Moore, I will literally never buy the vinyl of an album if it has bad artwork
Exactly, so many bands manage it, both small and large. It’s just a case of trying to milk the album for every penny that they can, so they go for the cheapest option all round. Would’ve been cheaper still if the fucking idiots had just taken a photo or drawn it themselves, then they’d be getting at least a bit of respect for it, even if it sucked ass!
To me, as you said, the artwork is a part of the total thing delivered by a band. Even more so, in my opinion, when it comes to metal. It feels like Deicide just doesn't care about physical copies and just cares for streams on some platform. Even if the album turns out to be good, I would NEVER pick it up in vinyl or in CD with that shit ont it. It definitely is devoid of artistic vision, and I dislike the fact that they don't use artists that are tied to the scene. Or even get a new artist to do shit, ... Just try. Also, it definitely is a problem to the whole scene when a band that big uses that kind of cover art. It screams lazy, cashgrab for sure.
Lazy and cash grab. Spot on.
Absolutely.
Such a goddamn shame!
Deicide may just have pulled a master stroke.
Let’s be honest only a small part of their audience/fan base buys physical media.
But they have the world and his wife on social media talking about them. Which will carry over into streams etc. You may not agree but a lot of bands have pretty shit merch. ‘Hello Morbid Angel’. Would I buy a T-shirt of the cover… well no. Nor would I buy a Cannibal Corpse T-shirt.
Most people who hear this album won’t have much of a clue of the sort work, it’s just the way music is digested these days. I wonder what reaction the cover would have got if there hadn’t been any mention of AI. King’s artwork is shit. People have moved on from it.
I appreciate and support the idea of paying creative artists for album covers and merch but they aren’t cheap at all. And cut massively into what little the bands makes.
Metal has always had its share of shit art work. Kill em all great album… piss, lazy album c.over which was done without much thought and at the last minute.
As for blind buying in a record store, not many people do that these days. For most artists they sell direct to their audience. So people have already listened on RUclips or bandcamp to free tracks.
As for the future of course some bands will go down this line but very few. As music and releases are a labour of love with not much expectation that it will make them a good living. Or to be fair any living.
Many projects don’t tour at all or sell merch at all.
Especially in the BM realm. It’s just not worth it financially.
I may well be the outlier, but I’m in my 50s I don’t care too much about album covers. It’s the music that counts. Ask me to describe album after about covers after about 2000 and I’d be struggling for 95% of albums.Deicide are dead to me, have been since Once upon a cross. However very well argued video with genuine passion.
Maybe my fingers were burned to much in the 80s when you’d pick up a cool covered album get it home and it was generic shit.
I think I’ve ranted enough.
You raise unbiased points that I imagine went through the band’s head whilst coming up with this cover art. It just doesn’t sit right with me at all. It just pushes the obvious into view once and for all. Deicide are obviously around primarily for the money at this point, but they fully confirmed it with the use of AI. It just screams “I don’t care, let’s just get this out so idiots throw money at us”. Bands have to make money to live, but there are so many better ways to go about it than this. I genuinely think they would sell more if they had a ‘better’ cover and it would sort out the cost of a commissioned piece of art anyway! For me, art is important, but of course as you say the most important thing is the music. If you half arse your cover art though, which is really the easy part when you think about it, then I imagine the same will be the case with the music. I haven’t loved anything the band has done for a little while now, but I’m still on board and I still expect better than this dumpster fire! Cheers for taking the time to drop your take here. Really appreciate it, mate 🤘🏼
Very good argument.
I have a ton great albums that have terrible covers, while I prefer nice cover art, its not a deal breaker for me. I agree though, it shows laziness, and leaves a sour taste before you even listen to it.
It’s not a deal breaker for me either (see that horrific ‘Millenium’ eyesore!), and at least they tried something. AI is devoid of thought and character and makes me think of the album as such before hearing a note. It’s so disappointing
Count the fingers! The machines can't do hands properly..... yet.
Prepare to be disappointed, I think this is going to become the new thing and having people actually draw a cover will become a niche like people actually buying physical media these days, the AI will improve but most albums in the future will likely be AI generated, it's much faster for someone to just type a sentence into a generator than have somebody draw exactly what you have in mind.
That said I think physical drawing will still have an audience, likely a lot bigger than people buying physical media, it won't ever disappear completely, just maybe in relation to music it will be more rare.
Photography is more appreciated than photoshop at least in black metal for instance, probably many more genres as well, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Appreciate it, mate. Thanks for watching 🤘🏼
One of the best cover album ever!!!
What's the problem man, take this easy!!!
Just for create useless problems
I understand it's a crappy album cover and also agree on the points of AI art being crap and taking away from actual artists who put in effort. Though where is your source that they did use AI art? I seriously waited 15 minutes for you talk about how this is an AI art cover and you said nothing about that. All you did was whine about Deicide being cheap and have nothing to back your claims that this was AI generated.
Mehal pshh
Yes your point is very valid. That cover art looks like crap. The hand drawn black and white art on the cover of the first single looks 100 times better than that AI garbage.
The two singles are good but not great. I look forward to hearing the full album but I most likely will not buy it.
Absolutely, mate! Totally agree, I think there’s a similar one for the second single now as well. They look like some actual thought was put into them. I’ve no idea what possessed them to make such a poor decision for the full album cover.
I’m in the same boat there. It’s always good to see the classic bands still doing their thing and releasing new music, but my excitement has pretty much disappeared for this one.
I am a HUGE Deicide fan but It’s just a horrible album cover, looks like glen Benton asked a AI to make him Davy Jones
You’re one of very few Deicide die-hards in these comments that actually sees it for what it truly is. It’s utterly awful. The album will have to be something TRULY fucking special for me to buy it. I’m not blindly supporting that garbage on the two tracks and atrocious cover they’ve unveiled so far.
And I don’t get why they don’t use the first cover, when they released “Bury the cross with your Christ” it was an awesome cover
Who gives a fuck, man? I didn't know it was AI, but I don't think it looks bad anyway. It looks similar to a modern version of the self titled Deicide cover. I'm just happy there's a new Deicide album out. I have all their other albums and will buy this one too. It's not just about the cover art. It's about owning and having a hard copy of the music I like to listen to in lossless quality and not relying on some bullshit streaming service to keep it up in shitty mp3 quality on their server (with the option to remove access to it at any time) for me to be able to listen to it.
If it was the actual music on the album that was AI, then I would agree with you and have a problem with it. I do like and appreciate good album cover artwork, but I didn't know this was AI and don't think it looks bad. I don't care if they use an AI cover, as long as it looks good. To me, this looks like it could be a Slayer album cover (and not because it's somewhat similar to Kerry King's solo album cover. I think his looks cool also.), and that doesn't look bad to me.
That’s fine, mate! As I say, you’re allowed to like the look of it, in which case I guess the thought of owning a physical copy seems just as attractive to you as it would to me if it was properly painted. The reason I dislike it isn’t just because it’s AI per se, but rather, because to my eyes it looks like absolute garbage AND it was done using AI. There are two factors making this a worthless piece to own physically. Yeah, the music is important, obviously, no dispute there, but the cover is also important when it’s me who is spending my earned money on a physical copy that I’ll want to look at. It’s also a bit of an indicator to me that the music is going to be just as slapdash and lazy. I hope I’m wrong, and I’ll listen to it, but it’s not going into the collection.
Benton doesn’t seem to give a fuck anymore, he’s just around for a quick bit of cash, and this utter 0-care, cheap ass looking cover is a perfect foreshadower for that.
@@Altars_of_Mattness He has responded to the criticism. I don't know if you've seen his response. The thing is I love Benton's unrelenting anti Christian message and relate to it on a personal level. I don't think there's anyone who does it quite like him. No one else makes whole albums about that, in the same singular focused way that he does, and I love his lyrics. Even his worst albums are still pretty good to me. I had a religious upbringing and ended up an atheist, so listening to Benton's songs to me feels like how Christians feel when they listen to their Christian songs. I love it.
If you couldn't tell that garbage was ai then you have no idea what you're talking about and you're begging for the bare minimum of laziness
@@croakinc3670 Whatever. Have you listened to the album? The music is good. Who cares about the cover? I bet you're a big fan of Six Feet Under and think Chris Barnes is the best death metal vocalist ever.
@@user-lg9hc1nl9u Yeah right, you keep eating the shit that's fed to you like a good little consumer
AI art sucks. Same with Maiden when they booted Derek Riggs out, artwork has sucked since
100%, mate. It’s emotionless, characterless slop. Fucking worthless in my view.
Totally agree
The only justification I could think of is maybe a new band is strapped for cash and puts all of their funding into production. At second thought, I imagine seeing any AI album art for the first time I would more than likely skip over that band. For a new band to start out with such a lack of understanding of the art and metal scene, it would be a pass for me.
So it’s crazy to me that the almighty deicide would even think that ai is enjoyable let alone think people would buy that piece of shit fake art.
I almost agree with you there, however I’d rather a new band just try and do it themselves. At least make it look like you care! As you say, I’d skip over a new band doing that as well. If a band other than Deicide put that on their cover, I’d immediately write it off as uninspired, paint by numbers (pun not intended), overproduced swill
@@Altars_of_Mattness I do agree with new bands at least trying, I wasn’t trying to express that at all. lol
There are many different artistic avenues for bands to go down where they can convey what they are trying to say musically. A picture of forest, or just a picture of the band themselves. Hell I’d take a shitty doodle of a corpse before I accept this ai garbage.
With all that said, it seems the backlash has reached somebody, because the artwork on Spotify has already been changed.
I really like the artwork,in this case I think it's cool that's it's computer generated.
Fair enough, mate. That’s a taste thing at the end of the day, however even if I liked it (which I very much don’t), I think the principle of taking food from others’ mouths for the sake of ease and money remains as something we should not encourage
Not too bright.
Controversy..righto mate
Here he is! I missed ya Joe 🤣
Artwork looked blasphemous and venomous to me,I went Woah.!
You cant stop the progress of technology at this point. More and more artists will use AI generated artwork, hell some musicians will start usjng AI generated music and pass it off as their own original work... This is the future it's not going away
Unfortunately, I agree with you… but I don’t have to like it. I’m going to be an old man screaming at clouds at some point if your statement is correct, and I’m not even going to be sorry about it 🤣
I personally like AI if used or "allowed" correctly.....I mean 20 years from now it's gonna be running 80% of everything
As far as decide...I'm one of their biggest fans was like 12 when Legion came out....everything after their 3rd record is sucky anyways...my opinion
All generative AI is fed with, and built on, scraped data and stolen content. How do you use stolen content 'correctly'.
The cover is crap, my first thoughts were that I'm not picking this up on vinyl......... AI is shit, and way to many bands are using it, do get it's cheaper, but fucking hell......... Glue some horns on Glenn and take a photo and use that, would have been way cooler. Yeah, Fuck AI!!!!!! Cheers. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
It’s generic, digitised garbage. Unbelievable that they thought it was a good idea. Exactly! Then at least they’d have tried something a bit different, and with some actual authenticity. Getting AI to do it is like palming it off to someone else “you sort the artwork and we’ll do some music and hope it fits”. No excuse for Deicide. Cheers Roger 🤘🏼🤘🏼
They better change this cheapAsss cover😂😂😂😂😂is so sad
Artists are notoriously bad at organizing, but unless there is some effort to stop this bullshit and have integrity to the purpose of art as a realm of human endeavor, any artist engaging in this garbage is digging their own grave.
I’m hoping they’ll have gotten enough shit for even thinking it was a good idea in the first place that it puts everyone else off. It almost needs a bigger band to drop the ball so that others don’t follow suit
AI Art is art in the same way that aimbots and wallhacks are gaming. I mean everyone respects players who use hacks to improve their play, don't they?
Why have skill when you can just let the computer jump over it?
ai is essentially human extinction , so it sort of fits Deicide... sever the tongue music video is fucking horrible btw.
The two songs so far are boring af.
Bloody young generation,probably into slipknot. Get your info right,it’s not computer generated,look at the first Deicide album. Undo that artwork and that’s it You. Know nothing.
Educate yourself more mate.
Hahaha wow. The first sentence alone. Thanks for watching mate 🤣
@@Altars_of_Mattness have you looked into what the artwork is actually about. Mate sounds like I’ve been listening to death metal since you were sucking on your mums titties
I suggest when it drops,don’t listen to it.
@@davidbidwell4091 Blokes like you are hilarious. Wearing your age like a badge, as though you’ve earned something. I never claimed to be an expert, yet you guys keep getting mad that I exist and enjoy music. I don’t even have to try. Cheers for the support mate, appreciate you checking out the video 🖤
@@Altars_of_Mattness well you’re destroying an album artwork like you know the meaning of it. Trust me there’s no subscription there. I’ve just been listening since the 80s bro. You’ve done no study into what you’re talking about. Anyway wish you the best with your no knowledge channel. Check out Crypt Crawler by the way.
Glad I could piss you off. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@davidbidwell4091 Couldn’t be happier, mate. If it makes you feel better though, you’re welcome to it! Hey, you didn’t sub, but you viewed which is good enough for me 🤣You know what, I will check that out. See you, David, pleasure speaking with you, haha!
I enjoyed the first album. After that they are bad. Even this far down, they complete garbage and the use of Ai art is complete nonsense but not surprise from a very lazy band
How can you like their first album and not like Legion, which is even better? And there's probably some other good stuff in their discography, Once Upon the Cross isn't bad, and a lot of people say a couple of their later albums are on a par with the early stuff. But seriously Legion is great