I find it a bit morbidly funny that every time Jane gets a lover and can't shut up about it, her actions and lack of forethought brings about their death.
I wonder if Jane would have gone after the Reaper IFF so quickly if you reminded her that Cerberus Jacob is the only squad mate pushing for it right away.
😂 right she didn’t really care for him in other episodes I wouldn’t have been surprised if her reaction to his death was all that heart felt stuff about the other and then “Jacob died too”
This was so brutal 😭! I told myself to be ready for a bloodbath, but i was still caught off guard. I couldn't believe it when my one fav didn't make it, considering Jane had done everything right with that character. But this DOES make me more excited to see the consequences played out in ME3. I hope you let Jane go back and complete the rest of ME2 mishes and DLC, though. Especially since one of the survivors of the SM has one of the most crucial roles in ME3.
I was very surprised to see Grunt go down at Hold The Line. That was definitely the mod's work - Five squadmates got out of that alive, and without the mod, Grunt is at the very absolute BOTTOM of the list for Hold The Line deaths. If he goes down, it means EVERYONE went down. In fact, replicating Jane's results in a Suicide Mission Calculator, without the Risky Suicide Mission mod, everyone left behind would have survived, even accounting for the disloyal squadmates. Grunt and Zaeed were enough to carry the others and keep the total strength above the threshold. Though you have to fudge an earlier decision or two in order to get the same crew to that point, since hilariously enough, despite lacking two of three upgrades, the one squadmate we lost on the Approach Run is the default squadmate to die to lacking the one upgrade we DID have. Thane is the highest priority squadmate to lose to missing the Cannon upgrade. Thane can die in Engineering, but you have to have Kasumi, Legion, and Tali _all_ away, either due to taking them to fight the Oculus, or not being recruited.
This was harrowing. I knew it would be brutal but I didn't expect Tali and Garrus to die. Also I am glad you got the chance mod because this would have been far more lethal otherwise.
I tried plugging Jane's choices into a Suicide Mission Calculator. Though I had to make some substitutions based on Jack surviving longer than she should have, if anything, using the Risky Suicide Mission mod actually got *more* people killed. Sticking with Jane's choices as closely as possible, Jack and Kasumi die to the lack of upgrades. Choices for Tech specialist and 1st fireteam leader are both correct squadmates and loyal, no casualties. Jack is dead, so cannot be the Biotic Specialist - but Samara's the only other correct choice, and NEITHER loyalty mission was done, so I just subbed in Samara. Garrus dies; the squadmate lost to Seekers is not random, there is a priority list just like the Missing-Upgrade Deaths, order being: Thane >Jack > Garrus >Legion >Grunt >Samara > Jacob > Mordin > Tali > Kasumi > Zaeed > Morinth. Mordin dies escorting the crew due to being disloyal, Miranda survives as 2nd Fireteam Lead regardless even when disloyal due to literal plot armor (notice she wasn't on that Seeker Swarm death priority list either). I switched Thane in for Jack in the final squad, since he had already died in Jane's run, but in this simulated version he was still alive; admittedly, I took him specifically to kill him off to push the death number higher. However, we still end up with six survivors - Zaeed, Legion, Samara, Miranda, Grunt, and Jacob. Due to Zaeed and Grunt's presence, total strength is high enough to prevent any casualties to the Hold The Line. However, if we take Zaeed into the final mission instead of Thane, we end up with only 5 survivors like Jane's run, as Zaeed dies in the final fight due to lack of loyalty, which weakens the remaining squad enough for Jacob to die holding the Line, bringing survivor list to Legion, Samara, Miranda, Grunt, and Thane. If I fudge earlier decisions to set up the same Hold The Line crew as Jane had going in (Thane dead to a missing upgrade, Mordin escorting crew, Garrus dead to Seeker Swarms, Tali & Jack coming with Shepard), everyone survives Holding The Line without the Risky Suicide Mission mod. Even if squad strength had been low enough that people started dropping, Grunt himself is the absolute very *LAST* squadmate to die holding the line. Without the mod, if Grunt goes down holding the line, it means ***EVERYBODY*** went down.
@@woodpecker8116 The Cargo fight itself doesn't have any death triggers. It basically just serves as a chance to manipulate who dies in Engineering to the lack of shields, by removing up to two characters from engineering. Priority for deaths there goes Kasumi >Legion > Tali > Thane > Garrus > Zaeed >Grunt. So, for example, if you didn't recruit Kasumi or Legion, you could take Tali to fight the Oculus, which would put Thane in harm's way. Or if you're a cruel, evil person, take Thane as well, and get Garrus roasted instead. Going deeper than Garrus requires a bit more dedicated manipulation of teammates. The death check from the Guns doesn't allow for similar manipulation, however. EDIT: For the sake of argument, if you skip recruiting Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, and Legion, you will still have enough squadmates to reach the Suicide Mission, at which point the only squadmates we have that are on the death list for Engineering are Garrus, Tali, and Grunt. Simply take them into the Oculus fight, and we have ourselves a Crispy-Fried Krogan.
I wish there was a canon dialog option for the "Destroy the Collectors' technology" that amounted to "Maybe if you were The Alliance or the Citadel, I might be willing to keep it, but knowing you guys, you'd probably do something stupid and get yourselves indoctrinated, and then we'd be fighting Reapers and Reaper-enhanced Cerberus". RIP Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Kasumi, Grunt, and I guess Jacob. And any chance of a peaceful Geth/Quarian conflict.
Y'know what's interesting? Only Miranda and Samara have some chance to survive the trilogy now, and, knowing how AI treats side quests, they probably won't
I strongly felt like Garrus was going to die (even without the mod). That's two love interests dead in two games. Wonder if she'll go for a third? Probably won't get them killed. Maybe she'll choose Traynor?
The mod definitely made it's presence felt at the Hold The Line. It was slightly more merciful than going without the mod for the Approach and Mordin's escort duty, but it got its revenge at the Hold the Line segment. Without the mod, that remaining team would have held with no casualties.
@@Thomas-bp8mr Hmm, yes and no I'd say. ME1 already teaches you that doing main things can lock you out of side stuff, so I've seen a lot of people coming from ME1 to ME2 always saving priority stuff for last when possible. I've also seen Jacob's mention of personal missions after Horizon and the loyalty mechanic coming into view have a lot of people focus on those whenever they pop up. You kinda have to consciously ignore what the game's telling you when it comes to squadmates and loyalty specifically at least. Something I've seen happen far more often is people holding off on what they literally call 'The Suicide Mission' in-game and doing everything else first, causing the crew to die as you're not immediately coming to their rescue. So on first playthroughs I've often seen the crew die because of delays, but only very rarely have I seen loyalty missions being missed before doing the final mission.
@@Thomas-bp8mr this is what happens when you --really roleplay the game-- get baited by the IFF mission before ensuring squad readiness, even while the game repetitively tells you that you need your squad's loyalty and the characters repeatedly tell you they are distracted
@@Thomas-bp8mr But it isn't roleplaying. Because if this were roleplaying you wouldn't powerdown the ship in the middle of nowhere and take a shuttle with every major character in it. You would bring the ship to a spacedock to install the IFF. ALSO how the hell does the IFF from a ONE POINT MILLION YEAR OLD DEAD REAPER CONTAIN A CODE THAT SHUTS DOWN THE SHIP AND ALERTS THE COLLECTORS? THERE WERE NO COLLECTORS ONE POINT FIVE MILLION YEARS AGO. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. So if this were real roleplaying then the IFF would not contain a code that shuts down the ship and alerts the collectors. IN fact the IFF wouldn't work because the Collectors are 50,000 years old so they wouldn't recognize an IFF from a Reaper that is 1.5 million years old. Plus this is a IFF. It is just a number. Not a collection of readable and executable code. If it were you would analyze it and run it on a virtual machine.
@@GeorgeMonet Actually, the Collectors being informed makes perfect sense. See... the Collectors don't really exist as a culture. There is only Harbinger. A Reaper IFF having a security system that screws over unauthorised tech installations and activates a Reaper beacon that Harbinger is clued into is slightly unrealistic, but not by much. The Reaper IFF doesn't need to use Collector technology, the Collectors just need to use Reaper technology. Also, the IFF in this case is a transponder that is installed, and then receives and responds to IFF signals with an IFF code. We have the same type of device in real life - it's not simply a code, but may be an entire encryption algorithm, stored on a black box that cannot be dismantled for security reasons. Saying that it can send out a signal that strong is slightly unrealistic, but not a huge problem - they could just use quantum entanglement, which exists in this universe. The big problem is that if that's the case, the Reaper's unique IFF is probably listed as dead... But that's a completely different issue. So it makes decent sense, in-universe and out.
So to summarise Jane’s conditions going into mass effect 3 -Peace between the quarians and geth is impossible -She will be 2 squadmates short -She will have much less war assets due to many squad members dead as well as not purchasing ship upgrades -And maybe worst of all! We will never see her react to drunk Tali with her beloved induction port. 😢
I wonder, can you actually do loyalty missions of alive squadmates after the suicide mission? If you can still do them after that'll save some war assets (and possibly their lives) at least. like a non-loyal Zaeed will straight up die on his mission in ME3 and force you to choose one of the two possible war assets from Din Korlack. A loyal Zaeed will keep him as a war asset and also give you the option to get both from Korlack as well. However, if we're going straight into ME3 from here, none of that will matter anyway haha
Tali's death alone should be Critical Mission Failure! (Also goodbye to any chance of resolving the Geth/Quarian war without genocide). But all those others too! Like Garrus! Or Jack! Or Grunt! You killed off most of my favorite squadmates, but Tali's was the most heartbreaking. By the way, look at the cutscenes. None of their bodies were recovered. Those coffins are empty (also, I don't see Tali and Jack accepting the idea of being in coffins with a Cerberus symbol).
Goes to show why you have to do everyone’s loyalty mission and prepare. Without Tali, you don’t get quarian-geth peace outcome 😫doubt you’d wanna play ME3 with this save.
Man that was heartbreaking. What a great watch. That mod is amazing. What a dynamic way to play the final mission. I wish it was available on console 😭 Can't wait for the next installment!
Interesting Mod will have to look it up. I do have a Jane Shepard playthrough. One of them, I romance Jacob. I then sent him right into the tunnel. He won't cheat on me.
This is what makes this series exciting you get to see how the ai's choices effect the outcomes. Howver he wrexs death was not retconned Mordin could be convinced to sabotage the genophage cure without wrex getting killed in me3
I would like to point out that you do not need to complete the loyalty missions to get the Ship Upgrades, as long as you talk to the squadmates to ask about it _before_ they offer their Loyalty Mission. (Typing this as I watch, spoilers to come!) --- Sad as it is, we're lucky our Approach casualty was Thane; it may seem cold, but he was one of the skipped loyalty missions. We need to hold onto as many loyal squadmates as we can for the Hold The Line segment. Jacob volunteering for the vents is not a good thing. He volunteers because it's a suicide mission, not because he thinks he can actually pull it off. He's being an idiot. Again. Huh. I'm surprised Jane didn't consider Kasumi as a viable option. Garrus choice was without hesitation and immediate. Love it. Perfect. Though based on the Jack choice, I feel like she's not really accounting for the Readiness mechanic, and just going based on what the normal "Good" choices are. Mordin is another "default" choice for sending with the crew; most people send him because he's a poor squadmate for Holding The Line, and is first in line to die if the squad is too weak there, so they save him by sending a Loyal Mordin back. Except Jane didn't do Mordin's loyalty mission. So I don't know. ...Maybe she DID hope to send Mordin to his death? She does hate his guts after all. OH NO AND SHE TAKES GARRUS AND LEGION INTO THE SEEKER SWARMS, RNG DON'T FAIL US NOW, BLESS JACK WITH THE STAMINA TO GET OUR BOYS TO SAFETY. *GARRUS, NOOOOOOOO* Fun fact, it is hard-coded that Miranda *cannot die* before the Hold The Line/Final Battle segment. She's integrated into all the scenes as your primary second, and no one else can take her place, so even if she's disloyal, she *cannot* die to either the Seeker Swarms, or as a disloyal Fire Team Leader. ...Losing Garrus is a big hit, not just lore-wise for Jane or because Garrus is Garrus, but also for the Hold The Line segment. I don't know how Readiness affects Hold The Line, but he had max Readiness, and even in the default system, he's one of the three Heavy Hitters that will carry other members and keep the Squad Strength above the threshold. Unless RSM changes a lot more about how this works, I think Tali isn't making it. Eeeexcept Tali's coming with Jane. She's still probably not making it. Bahaha, one of my favorite quotes from Jack. "Hello, dead people." 100% no hesitation. Destroy the base. I love when she doesn't even take a split second to consider. Just IMMEDIATE decision. C'mon, Jack! C'mon Tali! Endure! Survive! DAMN IT NO BOTH OF THEM, AAAAAA. WHY MUST THIS RUN KILL SO MANY OF MY FAVORITES?!?!? So what, this leaves... Zaeed, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Legion. Everyone else is dead. Holy shit, what a bloodbath. ...goddamn, Jane is two for two on her lovers getting killed.
Rest in peace Jacob but Jane killed you, she spoke it plainly clear fuck Cerberus and you never changed your mind . He quits Cerberus and Jane will never find it out. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ana_d_73 Fun fact: The Long War seeker swarm death has a priority list just like all the other death zones, in the following order: Thane >Jack > Garrus >Legion >Grunt >Samara > Jacob > Mordin > Tali > Kasumi > Zaeed > Morinth. So if you don't have a loyal Jack or Samara (without the RSM mod), Garrus is in a LOT of danger if you bring him with you.
Lmao I caught on to the mod you were talking about like 20 seconds before you got there and my only thought was "oh a lot of people are about to die" 😂
Thing is, plenty of people in the beginning of this game, made similar mistakes. RIP dead squad mates. Keep her mistakes for ME3. Her errors should reflect that game as well.
I need to put a stamp on this now! My guess is that so many people are gonna die on the SM, that EDI and James or Liara are going to be the only choices for the run to the beam in ME3! I think that Jane will do well, she’s got Drake playing for her.
Right at the end of the SM, I got an ad that started with someone saying, "Hmm... I'm starting to notice a trend where you disappoint people..." before I hit skip. After my drunk ass processed that, I laughed hysterically until the hotel staff came to ask me to keep it down. Thanks, I needed that.
Ouch, I had a bad feeling about this mission given the circumstances. The only other time I remember this mission ending with only 5 of the 12 squadmates left was on an Evil Shephard playthrough where their deaths were on purpose.
What an intense finale! Jane made good choices, but unfortunately her lack of loyal squadmates cost her dearly. I look forward to seeing how she handles Mass Effect 3. I understand and respect your intent in adding tension with the Risky Suicide Mission mod. However, I'm not a fan of it since it invalidates very important aspects of the suicide mission. In the base game, you're rewarded for looking into the lore and paying attention to your squad's strengths and weaknesses, plus it encourages you to give less-used characters a chance to shine. I feel like the RSM mod just rewards you for using your favourites over and over again without regard to what they're actually like. The Readiness system in particular irks me - as an example, Garrus having fought the Collectors a lot more than Kasumi shouldn't change the fact that Kasumi's a master at tech and infiltration while Garrus has those more as secondary skills. Also, the main draw of this playthrough is Jane's decisions, and the mod took away a lot of their weight, which I found frustrating. Overall, I think I would have enjoyed it more in the base game. That aside, overall it's been a rather fun playthrough to watch. I love Jane's insights on the in-game situation and the reasoning behind all her decisions. She has her patterns, but she's also capable of rather surprising things (poor Garrus). It's very different from watching a regular human player, and I can't help but wonder what she'll do next game.
Honestly, the way she handled it, the Risky Suicide Mission mod was actually responsible for more deaths than disloyalty. Thane, hilariously, should have survived - Jack and Kasumi would have been the ones to die to the missing upgrades. Garrus and Tali were the only ones to genuinely die to lack of loyalty missions, without any effective interference from the mod. As noted, Jack and Kasumi were dead with or without the mod, to either lack of upgrades or Final Battle/Hold The Line RNG. But Jacob and Grunt would have survived that Hold The Line as it stood. The squad left behind was strong enough to Hold, it was the mod's doing that brought people down. In particular, Grunt is normally the absolute LAST person to die Holding The Line, whereas here, five people got out while he went down. So, Jane got Garrus and Tali killed. Garrus due to not having a loyal Biotic specialist, Tali due to Tali herself not being loyal. RSM mod claimed Thane, Jacob, and Grunt. Thane on the approach, Jacob and Grunt to Hold The Line. Jack and Kasumi would have been dead either way, only difference is the when and why, so they don't count towards either one.
But the problem with the vanilla suicide mission is once you have the ideal choices figured out, whether it's from a metagaming perspective or an rp perspective, it can only take a braindead idiot to get even one person killed and you actually have to go out of your way to accomplish that.
Looking forward to to the rest of ME2. Maybe you should do something to raise the stakes, like Arrival being the final mission before other missions are cut off (I'm probably going to regret planting this idea).
STOP HERE! If you don't want Spoilers, don't read the comments... lol Also, apparently, you don't need the squadmates loyal to get the ship upgrades. I have had this misconception for like, 15 years. Sorry Thane...
I was sure that you did need to complete loyalty missions to get the ship upgrades though I haven't played the game in a while so maybe I'm wrong. Either way I'm fine with Thane dying since Jane never bothered talking to Jacob and Tali so there is no in-universe opportunity for her to upgrade the ships armor and shields. It adds a nice consequence to her decisions.
when talk8ing to companions, there is a literal option called "research" and clicking on it goves you teh research early befoee doing the suicide mission, including Garrus, Jacob, and Tali ship upgrades, though the misgnomer of needing the loyalty mission likely comes from completing the loyalty mission and the results screen saying it is unlocked, just saying how it can be found before a loyalty mission
@@hyhena-gaming9986 I think the option to ask about Research doesn't appear while they're waiting for you to do their Loyalty mission after offering it, so you can get it without doing their Loyalty mission, but you have to talk to them before they offer the loyalty mission.
Thane, Garrus, Jack, Tali, Grunt, Kasumi, and Jacob perished in this mission. Damn. This really was a suicide mission. And now, with Tali dead, the Quarian-Geth war won't have a happy ending 😢😢😢 I'm not ready for that Edit: only when Jacob died did Jane realize that Jacob was a good man
Well, Drake, I'm glad the random RUclips algorithms brought me here. I've been enjoying your AI playthroughs so far. Not that Jane's actions really made sense 100% of the time, but still. Let it be clear that I was among the first 3.5/4k subs here. Well done, and let this a stepping stone towards 10k or even 100k and beyond.
Great video!!! Brutal loses! Looking forward to see how ME 3 plays out w/o so many chara. Would really be interested to see Jane's Paragon/Renegade meter at end of both ME 1 and 2 after her switching from one to other throughout series and games. Great job keep it up!! Joined you at 500 subs, GRATZ on quadrupling that number!!!!
Damn, knew it was going to be bad, but she got damn near everyone killed. And so far, only Miranda, Samara, and Zaeed have a chance to survive past me3. And also, RIP to Tali and Garrus. The two best squadmates in the whole damn trilogy.
@@Oscirus Actually, no - since Drake went back and allowed Jane a 2nd chance to save Wrex, Mordin will not back down. It **MUST** be Wreave as sole Krogan leader for Mordin to back down. If either Wrex or Eve are alive, Mordin cannot be convinced to allow the sabotage.
Technically Mordin’s fate was sealed the moment Wrex was confirmed to still be alive. If Wrex lives through Virmire, there is literally no way for Mordin to survive the trilogy.
Welp time to see who lives and who dies. Wait you have to complete their loyalty mission to get the upgrade? That doesn't sound right? Pretty sure so long as you talk to em as soon as you get em you'll get the upgrades (then again she's never spoken to Jacob or Thane soooo) RIP Thane (guess that's RIP for the Salarian councillor. Can't remember if Kirrahe is alive or not). Yeah Jacob volunteers for something HE ISN'T GOOD AT. Like Jacob YOU AIN'T A TECH EXPERT. Sit yo ass down. NOOOOO NOT GARRUS! RAGE QUIT! GOOD GOD NO. FIRST KAIDEN NOW GARRUS, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE LEGION YOU FUCKING ALGORITHM! Jane is gonna be like 'screw romance, I lost two it isn't worth it' (I mean there IS Samantha I guess? If Jane's into that) God that means there is a small chance that Jane will sleep with Javik during the party. Oh god... So with Mordin alive would you do the loyalty mission for the cure? Cause if not like...How would Mordin react just be like 'I tracked down Maelon without you' but like without Jane there would Mordin have saved the data? RIP Jack and Tali (no Quarian and Geth reunification). RIP Grunt and Kasumi. You will both be missed. Our krogan baby will never lead a company. I feel so bad for Jane. Garrus shouldn't have died like that. God damn...Like the ship...I'm just heartbroken. I'm shocked Mordin fucking lived. The mad lad. Jesus like...With no Garrus and Tali, we won't have a lot of crewmates for ME3 (Edi, James, Liara) MAYBE (Ashley if we don't kill her, Javik if Jane even bothers going to unfreeze him).
It was so much worse than I thought it was gonna be and I already thought it'd be bad! 😂. Lmao bruh, I can't. Also, I was very shocked. I remember when Rex died, and Kaiden died Jane straight up didn't want to talk after. This time she seemed honestly pretty nonchalant about it x)
I know you said you weren’t going to press the button in Shepard’s cabin, but it gives you a unique opportunity. You could do an ME3 playthrough with things as they are, then go back and do one where everyone survived ME2. Plus, you still have Arrival to do, which bridges the gap between ME2 and 3.
Congrats, Jane. You did a great thing for the galaxy. Take pride in that. Keeping this spoiler free so that everyone else can enjoy it. Drake, it's been a fun ride, and I can't wait to see what Jane has in store for Mass Effect 3!!!
For future reference, the ship upgrades do not require the respective squadmates to be loyal, unless you imposed a rule for yourself. Also, RIP Jane's fish. Edits: Romance also impacts readiness, so Garrus achieved Godhood. However, romance also slightly increases the chances for the crew to die. The Biotic Specialist is definitely the one that needs the most preparation in my runs with this mod. Generally medium is enough for most tasks but not this one. Interesting logic on the final section. Generally I pick the two lowest ready with me because in my eyes, I would rather have the high-tier squadmates save the medium ones. I knew the final outcome would be rough, but damn that's really rough. I don't normally resurrect dead squadmates but there's a compelling case here, lmao.
I've always understood it as requiring them to be loyal. Unsure why, now that I'm seeing all the comments about it. I've been playing with false information for like a decade and a half apparently
@@drakefs_ She would've needed to talk to Jacob at some point before loyalty mission to unlock the armor upgrade; so that one could've never happened.
Oh god this has so many repercussions. SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ME3 Tahne dead means that either Kirrahe (can't remember if he survived ME1) or worse, the Salarian council member will die, which puts the Virmire survivir at risk. Garrus, despite traumatizing Jane, actually has few effects if I remember correctly. Tali being gone means that peace between Quarians and Geth is impossible if I remeber correctly. Jack doesn't have that many consequences honestly, neither do Kasumi, Grunt or Jacob, aside form their own side missions and some war assets. Still, a potential dead Virmire Survivor and no geth quarian peace will be quite the burden on our commander going forward.
Oh there's no peace option now, you need five of seven points towards peace for that to be an option, and that includes resolving the tali/legion situation with a para/rene check, and doing both loyalties , iirc she rewrote the geth as well, so that's also -2 points, so , uhh, no If you rewrite the geth, you literally have to do everything else right to get peace
@@DeitySkullKid Yeah peace is so so gone. It'll honestly be difficult for Jane to get all the war assets she might need to get the ending where all of the crew survives.
Lots of ways I'm considering different playthroughs. I think someday, after a break after ME3, I'd be curious if I can get a different chat bot to play a BroShep
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I find it a bit morbidly funny that every time Jane gets a lover and can't shut up about it, her actions and lack of forethought brings about their death.
Two down! One to go ...? :D I know it's unlikely to be three for three, but funny to think.
I wonder if Jane would have gone after the Reaper IFF so quickly if you reminded her that Cerberus Jacob is the only squad mate pushing for it right away.
😂 right she didn’t really care for him in other episodes I wouldn’t have been surprised if her reaction to his death was all that heart felt stuff about the other and then “Jacob died too”
@@dison1172i expected her to do this in the beginning. Just praising everyone on the team.
"We have the best of the best...oh and Jacob."
Well at least with so many casualties this feels like a proper suicide mission
This was so brutal 😭! I told myself to be ready for a bloodbath, but i was still caught off guard. I couldn't believe it when my one fav didn't make it, considering Jane had done everything right with that character.
But this DOES make me more excited to see the consequences played out in ME3. I hope you let Jane go back and complete the rest of ME2 mishes and DLC, though. Especially since one of the survivors of the SM has one of the most crucial roles in ME3.
I was very surprised to see Grunt go down at Hold The Line. That was definitely the mod's work - Five squadmates got out of that alive, and without the mod, Grunt is at the very absolute BOTTOM of the list for Hold The Line deaths. If he goes down, it means EVERYONE went down.
In fact, replicating Jane's results in a Suicide Mission Calculator, without the Risky Suicide Mission mod, everyone left behind would have survived, even accounting for the disloyal squadmates. Grunt and Zaeed were enough to carry the others and keep the total strength above the threshold. Though you have to fudge an earlier decision or two in order to get the same crew to that point, since hilariously enough, despite lacking two of three upgrades, the one squadmate we lost on the Approach Run is the default squadmate to die to lacking the one upgrade we DID have. Thane is the highest priority squadmate to lose to missing the Cannon upgrade. Thane can die in Engineering, but you have to have Kasumi, Legion, and Tali _all_ away, either due to taking them to fight the Oculus, or not being recruited.
It's only Wrex and Mordin still being alive that prevents this from being the Darkest Timeline XD
But, on the other hand, both can die in ME3 now, and the worst outcome is very possible
This is going to be a very sad Citadel Party 😅
I was thinking that!
ME 3 is going to be..... interesting
This was harrowing. I knew it would be brutal but I didn't expect Tali and Garrus to die. Also I am glad you got the chance mod because this would have been far more lethal otherwise.
The mod is fascinating. I'm going to use it on my next playthrough
I tried plugging Jane's choices into a Suicide Mission Calculator. Though I had to make some substitutions based on Jack surviving longer than she should have, if anything, using the Risky Suicide Mission mod actually got *more* people killed.
Sticking with Jane's choices as closely as possible, Jack and Kasumi die to the lack of upgrades. Choices for Tech specialist and 1st fireteam leader are both correct squadmates and loyal, no casualties. Jack is dead, so cannot be the Biotic Specialist - but Samara's the only other correct choice, and NEITHER loyalty mission was done, so I just subbed in Samara. Garrus dies; the squadmate lost to Seekers is not random, there is a priority list just like the Missing-Upgrade Deaths, order being: Thane >Jack > Garrus >Legion >Grunt >Samara > Jacob > Mordin > Tali > Kasumi > Zaeed > Morinth.
Mordin dies escorting the crew due to being disloyal, Miranda survives as 2nd Fireteam Lead regardless even when disloyal due to literal plot armor (notice she wasn't on that Seeker Swarm death priority list either).
I switched Thane in for Jack in the final squad, since he had already died in Jane's run, but in this simulated version he was still alive; admittedly, I took him specifically to kill him off to push the death number higher.
However, we still end up with six survivors - Zaeed, Legion, Samara, Miranda, Grunt, and Jacob. Due to Zaeed and Grunt's presence, total strength is high enough to prevent any casualties to the Hold The Line. However, if we take Zaeed into the final mission instead of Thane, we end up with only 5 survivors like Jane's run, as Zaeed dies in the final fight due to lack of loyalty, which weakens the remaining squad enough for Jacob to die holding the Line, bringing survivor list to Legion, Samara, Miranda, Grunt, and Thane.
If I fudge earlier decisions to set up the same Hold The Line crew as Jane had going in (Thane dead to a missing upgrade, Mordin escorting crew, Garrus dead to Seeker Swarms, Tali & Jack coming with Shepard), everyone survives Holding The Line without the Risky Suicide Mission mod. Even if squad strength had been low enough that people started dropping, Grunt himself is the absolute very *LAST* squadmate to die holding the line. Without the mod, if Grunt goes down holding the line, it means ***EVERYBODY*** went down.
@@Blazieth but wouldnt someone die in the cargo encounter, when you fight the drone, without the mod? Im pretty sure there is a trigger as well.
@@woodpecker8116 The Cargo fight itself doesn't have any death triggers. It basically just serves as a chance to manipulate who dies in Engineering to the lack of shields, by removing up to two characters from engineering. Priority for deaths there goes Kasumi >Legion > Tali > Thane > Garrus > Zaeed >Grunt. So, for example, if you didn't recruit Kasumi or Legion, you could take Tali to fight the Oculus, which would put Thane in harm's way. Or if you're a cruel, evil person, take Thane as well, and get Garrus roasted instead. Going deeper than Garrus requires a bit more dedicated manipulation of teammates.
The death check from the Guns doesn't allow for similar manipulation, however.
EDIT: For the sake of argument, if you skip recruiting Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, and Legion, you will still have enough squadmates to reach the Suicide Mission, at which point the only squadmates we have that are on the death list for Engineering are Garrus, Tali, and Grunt. Simply take them into the Oculus fight, and we have ourselves a Crispy-Fried Krogan.
Dam the party on the Citadel is going to be pretty empty.
I wish there was a canon dialog option for the "Destroy the Collectors' technology" that amounted to "Maybe if you were The Alliance or the Citadel, I might be willing to keep it, but knowing you guys, you'd probably do something stupid and get yourselves indoctrinated, and then we'd be fighting Reapers and Reaper-enhanced Cerberus".
RIP Garrus, Tali, Thane, Jack, Kasumi, Grunt, and I guess Jacob. And any chance of a peaceful Geth/Quarian conflict.
At least we know with some pretty solid certainty that Jane's going to side with the Geth, since Legion's around and Tali isn't.
Looks like Liara is back in the running!
And Traynor!
Well well well if it isn't the consequences of her own actions. I knew it was going to be bad but oh my god I was not ready. Tali AND GARRUS?? 😭😭😭
At the start of the video, when Jane presents the squadmates, I was expecting a "We have Jacob. He's just there."
Mass Effect 3 is gona be a wild ride. 😂
I'm not a big fan of Garrus, but AI Jane adored him so much it felt like a special connection. Heartbreaking to see him go
Y'know what's interesting? Only Miranda and Samara have some chance to survive the trilogy now, and, knowing how AI treats side quests, they probably won't
I mean, Zaeed, he has a little side section in me3 and joins your forces iirc, I don't know if he's ever confirmed alive or dead if you do this
I strongly felt like Garrus was going to die (even without the mod). That's two love interests dead in two games. Wonder if she'll go for a third? Probably won't get them killed. Maybe she'll choose Traynor?
This readiness score is fascinating!! I wish I had this on PC it’s a great mod
The mod definitely made it's presence felt at the Hold The Line. It was slightly more merciful than going without the mod for the Approach and Mordin's escort duty, but it got its revenge at the Hold the Line segment. Without the mod, that remaining team would have held with no casualties.
I cannot wait to see how her choices will effect ME3 eventually
I know, right! I can’t wait to see how she deals with the results of the schmuicide mission!
@@angel8fingers Jacob to the vent...
@@YuiYuria good idea buddy!
@@angel8fingers Jacob is the one character that is more boring that watching a blank screen while waiting for a game to start.
@@YuiYuria I cannot agree any harder! Unlike Drake, I’m not a Jacob fan!
was hoping for "we have Jacob, just some guy that is here"
Mordin,against all odds,best man (though jane might disaggre)
She seems less openly hateful towards him now
Jane why did you have to go for the speedrun route?
Almost everyone will die...
Okay, Garrus died, this is the worst
@@Thomas-bp8mrvery true
@@Thomas-bp8mr Hmm, yes and no I'd say. ME1 already teaches you that doing main things can lock you out of side stuff, so I've seen a lot of people coming from ME1 to ME2 always saving priority stuff for last when possible. I've also seen Jacob's mention of personal missions after Horizon and the loyalty mechanic coming into view have a lot of people focus on those whenever they pop up. You kinda have to consciously ignore what the game's telling you when it comes to squadmates and loyalty specifically at least. Something I've seen happen far more often is people holding off on what they literally call 'The Suicide Mission' in-game and doing everything else first, causing the crew to die as you're not immediately coming to their rescue. So on first playthroughs I've often seen the crew die because of delays, but only very rarely have I seen loyalty missions being missed before doing the final mission.
@@Thomas-bp8mr this is what happens when you --really roleplay the game-- get baited by the IFF mission before ensuring squad readiness, even while the game repetitively tells you that you need your squad's loyalty and the characters repeatedly tell you they are distracted
@@Thomas-bp8mr But it isn't roleplaying. Because if this were roleplaying you wouldn't powerdown the ship in the middle of nowhere and take a shuttle with every major character in it. You would bring the ship to a spacedock to install the IFF. ALSO how the hell does the IFF from a ONE POINT MILLION YEAR OLD DEAD REAPER CONTAIN A CODE THAT SHUTS DOWN THE SHIP AND ALERTS THE COLLECTORS? THERE WERE NO COLLECTORS ONE POINT FIVE MILLION YEARS AGO. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. So if this were real roleplaying then the IFF would not contain a code that shuts down the ship and alerts the collectors. IN fact the IFF wouldn't work because the Collectors are 50,000 years old so they wouldn't recognize an IFF from a Reaper that is 1.5 million years old. Plus this is a IFF. It is just a number. Not a collection of readable and executable code. If it were you would analyze it and run it on a virtual machine.
@@GeorgeMonet Actually, the Collectors being informed makes perfect sense. See... the Collectors don't really exist as a culture. There is only Harbinger. A Reaper IFF having a security system that screws over unauthorised tech installations and activates a Reaper beacon that Harbinger is clued into is slightly unrealistic, but not by much. The Reaper IFF doesn't need to use Collector technology, the Collectors just need to use Reaper technology.
Also, the IFF in this case is a transponder that is installed, and then receives and responds to IFF signals with an IFF code. We have the same type of device in real life - it's not simply a code, but may be an entire encryption algorithm, stored on a black box that cannot be dismantled for security reasons. Saying that it can send out a signal that strong is slightly unrealistic, but not a huge problem - they could just use quantum entanglement, which exists in this universe. The big problem is that if that's the case, the Reaper's unique IFF is probably listed as dead... But that's a completely different issue.
So it makes decent sense, in-universe and out.
Holy hell, what a bloodbath. You know the mission went not-so-great when it's faster to list who's still alive instead of who died at the end.
When the odds were pushed, Mordin still lives...go on our Scientist Salarian
So to summarise Jane’s conditions going into mass effect 3
-Peace between the quarians and geth is impossible
-She will be 2 squadmates short
-She will have much less war assets due to many squad members dead as well as not purchasing ship upgrades
-And maybe worst of all! We will never see her react to drunk Tali with her beloved induction port. 😢
I wonder, can you actually do loyalty missions of alive squadmates after the suicide mission? If you can still do them after that'll save some war assets (and possibly their lives) at least. like a non-loyal Zaeed will straight up die on his mission in ME3 and force you to choose one of the two possible war assets from Din Korlack. A loyal Zaeed will keep him as a war asset and also give you the option to get both from Korlack as well.
However, if we're going straight into ME3 from here, none of that will matter anyway haha
I know that you can do loyalty missions after the sucked mission so it is just up to Drake if he wants to do that or just jump strait into me3
Dumb ways to die, so many dumb ways to die...
Banger song
Tali's death alone should be Critical Mission Failure! (Also goodbye to any chance of resolving the Geth/Quarian war without genocide).
But all those others too! Like Garrus! Or Jack! Or Grunt! You killed off most of my favorite squadmates, but Tali's was the most heartbreaking. By the way, look at the cutscenes. None of their bodies were recovered. Those coffins are empty (also, I don't see Tali and Jack accepting the idea of being in coffins with a Cerberus symbol).
So much death... for the Collectors
Well... the only way this could have gone any worse is if Mordin died to. Such a cursed outcome. Time for Jane to cry herself to sleep.
Goes to show why you have to do everyone’s loyalty mission and prepare. Without Tali, you don’t get quarian-geth peace outcome 😫doubt you’d wanna play ME3 with this save.
Man that was heartbreaking. What a great watch.
That mod is amazing. What a dynamic way to play the final mission. I wish it was available on console 😭
Can't wait for the next installment!
This makes things interesting for the Quarian-Geth conflict in the future.
I have a feeling I know which way the wind is going to blow there ..... ;)
Okay... Garrus and Jack died. That's a nuh-uh in my book.
If AI jane tries to romance Joker in ME3, the cycle is complete. Life imitates art.
Also, i love the straight rip of the Independence Day speech
You gotta link me that speech friend
@@drakefs_ it's the we will not got quietly into the night, we will not vanish without a fight, we're going to live on, we're going to survive part.
Interesting Mod will have to look it up. I do have a Jane Shepard playthrough. One of them, I romance Jacob. I then sent him right into the tunnel. He won't cheat on me.
I’m not usually a Shep / Garrus shipper,but damn Jane made me absolutely adore him.
I'm just hoping that by some miracle Tali survives
at least Mordin survived. so happy. ❤
sad garrus had to go tho ...
but the decisions have been made and there is NO going back.
This is what makes this series exciting you get to see how the ai's choices effect the outcomes. Howver he wrexs death was not retconned Mordin could be convinced to sabotage the genophage cure without wrex getting killed in me3
I would like to point out that you do not need to complete the loyalty missions to get the Ship Upgrades, as long as you talk to the squadmates to ask about it _before_ they offer their Loyalty Mission.
(Typing this as I watch, spoilers to come!)
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Sad as it is, we're lucky our Approach casualty was Thane; it may seem cold, but he was one of the skipped loyalty missions. We need to hold onto as many loyal squadmates as we can for the Hold The Line segment.
Jacob volunteering for the vents is not a good thing. He volunteers because it's a suicide mission, not because he thinks he can actually pull it off. He's being an idiot. Again.
Huh. I'm surprised Jane didn't consider Kasumi as a viable option. Garrus choice was without hesitation and immediate. Love it. Perfect. Though based on the Jack choice, I feel like she's not really accounting for the Readiness mechanic, and just going based on what the normal "Good" choices are. Mordin is another "default" choice for sending with the crew; most people send him because he's a poor squadmate for Holding The Line, and is first in line to die if the squad is too weak there, so they save him by sending a Loyal Mordin back. Except Jane didn't do Mordin's loyalty mission. So I don't know. ...Maybe she DID hope to send Mordin to his death? She does hate his guts after all.
OH NO AND SHE TAKES GARRUS AND LEGION INTO THE SEEKER SWARMS, RNG DON'T FAIL US NOW, BLESS JACK WITH THE STAMINA TO GET OUR BOYS TO SAFETY.
*GARRUS, NOOOOOOOO*
Fun fact, it is hard-coded that Miranda *cannot die* before the Hold The Line/Final Battle segment. She's integrated into all the scenes as your primary second, and no one else can take her place, so even if she's disloyal, she *cannot* die to either the Seeker Swarms, or as a disloyal Fire Team Leader.
...Losing Garrus is a big hit, not just lore-wise for Jane or because Garrus is Garrus, but also for the Hold The Line segment. I don't know how Readiness affects Hold The Line, but he had max Readiness, and even in the default system, he's one of the three Heavy Hitters that will carry other members and keep the Squad Strength above the threshold. Unless RSM changes a lot more about how this works, I think Tali isn't making it. Eeeexcept Tali's coming with Jane. She's still probably not making it.
Bahaha, one of my favorite quotes from Jack. "Hello, dead people."
100% no hesitation. Destroy the base. I love when she doesn't even take a split second to consider. Just IMMEDIATE decision.
C'mon, Jack! C'mon Tali! Endure! Survive!
DAMN IT NO BOTH OF THEM, AAAAAA.
WHY MUST THIS RUN KILL SO MANY OF MY FAVORITES?!?!?
So what, this leaves... Zaeed, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, and Legion. Everyone else is dead. Holy shit, what a bloodbath.
...goddamn, Jane is two for two on her lovers getting killed.
Man, this upcoming ME3 playthrough is gonna suck with so many key characters dying.
The mod made the final mission actually exciting for those who had played it before, sadly I am consol scum 😢
RIP
Rest in peace Jacob but Jane killed you, she spoke it plainly clear fuck Cerberus and you never changed your mind . He quits Cerberus and Jane will never find it out. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
GG Commander Jane. I'm sorry for your losses but applaud you on a job well done. I look forward to seeing the end of the fight agaisnt the reapers.
This was painful. Jane I learned I don’t want AI to rule the world. 😂
Well at least we know Garrus is safe.
I really hope Tali makes it too 💜
... is he?
@@drakefs_DON'T SAY THAT
You are scaring me even more now...
This aged well
@drake_fs NOOO!
@@ana_d_73 Fun fact: The Long War seeker swarm death has a priority list just like all the other death zones, in the following order: Thane >Jack > Garrus >Legion >Grunt >Samara > Jacob > Mordin > Tali > Kasumi > Zaeed > Morinth.
So if you don't have a loyal Jack or Samara (without the RSM mod), Garrus is in a LOT of danger if you bring him with you.
Lmao I caught on to the mod you were talking about like 20 seconds before you got there and my only thought was "oh a lot of people are about to die" 😂
TLDR: Drake teaches an AI to feel grief.
Thing is, plenty of people in the beginning of this game, made similar mistakes. RIP dead squad mates. Keep her mistakes for ME3. Her errors should reflect that game as well.
Shit, this feels like it was written by George R.R. Martin.
I need to put a stamp on this now! My guess is that so many people are gonna die on the SM, that EDI and James or Liara are going to be the only choices for the run to the beam in ME3!
I think that Jane will do well, she’s got Drake playing for her.
Don’t forget Javik… and let’s hope Jane doesn’t either…
Right at the end of the SM, I got an ad that started with someone saying, "Hmm... I'm starting to notice a trend where you disappoint people..." before I hit skip. After my drunk ass processed that, I laughed hysterically until the hotel staff came to ask me to keep it down. Thanks, I needed that.
I really like that mod, shakes things up a bit
Ouch, I had a bad feeling about this mission given the circumstances. The only other time I remember this mission ending with only 5 of the 12 squadmates left was on an Evil Shephard playthrough where their deaths were on purpose.
What an intense finale! Jane made good choices, but unfortunately her lack of loyal squadmates cost her dearly. I look forward to seeing how she handles Mass Effect 3.
I understand and respect your intent in adding tension with the Risky Suicide Mission mod. However, I'm not a fan of it since it invalidates very important aspects of the suicide mission. In the base game, you're rewarded for looking into the lore and paying attention to your squad's strengths and weaknesses, plus it encourages you to give less-used characters a chance to shine. I feel like the RSM mod just rewards you for using your favourites over and over again without regard to what they're actually like. The Readiness system in particular irks me - as an example, Garrus having fought the Collectors a lot more than Kasumi shouldn't change the fact that Kasumi's a master at tech and infiltration while Garrus has those more as secondary skills. Also, the main draw of this playthrough is Jane's decisions, and the mod took away a lot of their weight, which I found frustrating. Overall, I think I would have enjoyed it more in the base game.
That aside, overall it's been a rather fun playthrough to watch. I love Jane's insights on the in-game situation and the reasoning behind all her decisions. She has her patterns, but she's also capable of rather surprising things (poor Garrus). It's very different from watching a regular human player, and I can't help but wonder what she'll do next game.
Honestly, the way she handled it, the Risky Suicide Mission mod was actually responsible for more deaths than disloyalty. Thane, hilariously, should have survived - Jack and Kasumi would have been the ones to die to the missing upgrades. Garrus and Tali were the only ones to genuinely die to lack of loyalty missions, without any effective interference from the mod. As noted, Jack and Kasumi were dead with or without the mod, to either lack of upgrades or Final Battle/Hold The Line RNG. But Jacob and Grunt would have survived that Hold The Line as it stood. The squad left behind was strong enough to Hold, it was the mod's doing that brought people down. In particular, Grunt is normally the absolute LAST person to die Holding The Line, whereas here, five people got out while he went down.
So, Jane got Garrus and Tali killed. Garrus due to not having a loyal Biotic specialist, Tali due to Tali herself not being loyal.
RSM mod claimed Thane, Jacob, and Grunt. Thane on the approach, Jacob and Grunt to Hold The Line.
Jack and Kasumi would have been dead either way, only difference is the when and why, so they don't count towards either one.
But the problem with the vanilla suicide mission is once you have the ideal choices figured out, whether it's from a metagaming perspective or an rp perspective, it can only take a braindead idiot to get even one person killed and you actually have to go out of your way to accomplish that.
Looking forward to to the rest of ME2. Maybe you should do something to raise the stakes, like Arrival being the final mission before other missions are cut off (I'm probably going to regret planting this idea).
He mentioned there would be a Mass Effect 2 epilogue episode.
That is rough, a lot of dead. But definitely very interesting to watch, just like the entire series so far.
STOP HERE! If you don't want Spoilers, don't read the comments... lol
Also, apparently, you don't need the squadmates loyal to get the ship upgrades. I have had this misconception for like, 15 years.
Sorry Thane...
I swear you needed Jacobs loyalty, but I seem to be mistaken
I was sure that you did need to complete loyalty missions to get the ship upgrades though I haven't played the game in a while so maybe I'm wrong.
Either way I'm fine with Thane dying since Jane never bothered talking to Jacob and Tali so there is no in-universe opportunity for her to upgrade the ships armor and shields. It adds a nice consequence to her decisions.
@@williamboske7321 This is true
when talk8ing to companions, there is a literal option called "research" and clicking on it goves you teh research early befoee doing the suicide mission, including Garrus, Jacob, and Tali ship upgrades, though the misgnomer of needing the loyalty mission likely comes from completing the loyalty mission and the results screen saying it is unlocked, just saying how it can be found before a loyalty mission
@@hyhena-gaming9986 I think the option to ask about Research doesn't appear while they're waiting for you to do their Loyalty mission after offering it, so you can get it without doing their Loyalty mission, but you have to talk to them before they offer the loyalty mission.
Had to be him. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.
Thane, Garrus, Jack, Tali, Grunt, Kasumi, and Jacob perished in this mission. Damn. This really was a suicide mission. And now, with Tali dead, the Quarian-Geth war won't have a happy ending 😢😢😢 I'm not ready for that
Edit: only when Jacob died did Jane realize that Jacob was a good man
the best boy and the best girl died, my poor heart
Well, Drake, I'm glad the random RUclips algorithms brought me here.
I've been enjoying your AI playthroughs so far. Not that Jane's actions really made sense 100% of the time, but still.
Let it be clear that I was among the first 3.5/4k subs here. Well done, and let this a stepping stone towards 10k or even 100k and beyond.
Garus of all things died, thats kinda funny...
Is the virmire survivor and Liara all that's left from the epic part 1 squad?
Wrex to. He retconned that descion just like he will in the next installment of the series and bring back the. characters he likes.
F’n A YEEEEEEEAAAAHHH!
I’m excited for this!
Duuude me too!! just ❤❤😫
I know this is for entertainment but this video shows you can never trust an AI to make choices for you. 😶
To be fair, this is how my first playthrought went as well because NOTHING in this game tells you about how the time sensitive missions work
Thats 0-2 on boyfriends jane. Becoming Jane's lover is like being assigned as Dirty Harry's partner may as well get your affairs in order.
You restart this game right now!! You can't lose Garrus!! That's like losing an arm and a leg. You're crippled without him
On the brightside we get to see these zcenes in me3 we domt notice as mcih because we usually try and keep everyone alive
At 19:31. You broke my heart Jane..
Wow😢
While I'm glad you used the mod to make it really intense, I don't know if I can watch ME3 without Garrus, Grunt or Tail Eye 👁️.
Damn allergies 😢
Alrighty friends! I missed the premier because I was driving, but I’m about to watch it for the first time!
Lets a get it Shep!!!!
I love this series but this is now a cursed play through
Great video!!!
Brutal loses!
Looking forward to see how ME 3 plays out w/o so many chara.
Would really be interested to see Jane's Paragon/Renegade meter at end of both ME 1 and 2 after her switching from one to other throughout series and games. Great job keep it up!! Joined you at 500 subs, GRATZ on quadrupling that number!!!!
Damn, knew it was going to be bad, but she got damn near everyone killed. And so far, only Miranda, Samara, and Zaeed have a chance to survive past me3.
And also, RIP to Tali and Garrus. The two best squadmates in the whole damn trilogy.
Mordin can survive as well but I doubt she'll make the necessary choices to keep him alive
@@Oscirus True, I always forget he can survive that. I've just never had the stones to do wrex like that(since I always save him).
@@Oscirus Actually, no - since Drake went back and allowed Jane a 2nd chance to save Wrex, Mordin will not back down. It **MUST** be Wreave as sole Krogan leader for Mordin to back down. If either Wrex or Eve are alive, Mordin cannot be convinced to allow the sabotage.
Technically Mordin’s fate was sealed the moment Wrex was confirmed to still be alive. If Wrex lives through Virmire, there is literally no way for Mordin to survive the trilogy.
Wrex is dead though
Ahhhhhh daaaammnn losing Garus and Tali at the same time = restart 😭😭😭... but well it is what it is.. hope you and Jane will play ME3 soon...
Welp time to see who lives and who dies.
Wait you have to complete their loyalty mission to get the upgrade?
That doesn't sound right? Pretty sure so long as you talk to em as soon as you get em you'll get the upgrades (then again she's never spoken to Jacob or Thane soooo)
RIP Thane (guess that's RIP for the Salarian councillor. Can't remember if Kirrahe is alive or not).
Yeah Jacob volunteers for something HE ISN'T GOOD AT. Like Jacob YOU AIN'T A TECH EXPERT. Sit yo ass down.
NOOOOO NOT GARRUS! RAGE QUIT! GOOD GOD NO. FIRST KAIDEN NOW GARRUS, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE LEGION YOU FUCKING ALGORITHM!
Jane is gonna be like 'screw romance, I lost two it isn't worth it' (I mean there IS Samantha I guess? If Jane's into that) God that means there is a small chance that Jane will sleep with Javik during the party. Oh god...
So with Mordin alive would you do the loyalty mission for the cure? Cause if not like...How would Mordin react just be like 'I tracked down Maelon without you' but like without Jane there would Mordin have saved the data?
RIP Jack and Tali (no Quarian and Geth reunification).
RIP Grunt and Kasumi. You will both be missed. Our krogan baby will never lead a company.
I feel so bad for Jane. Garrus shouldn't have died like that. God damn...Like the ship...I'm just heartbroken. I'm shocked Mordin fucking lived. The mad lad.
Jesus like...With no Garrus and Tali, we won't have a lot of crewmates for ME3 (Edi, James, Liara) MAYBE (Ashley if we don't kill her, Javik if Jane even bothers going to unfreeze him).
It was so much worse than I thought it was gonna be and I already thought it'd be bad! 😂. Lmao bruh, I can't. Also, I was very shocked. I remember when Rex died, and Kaiden died Jane straight up didn't want to talk after. This time she seemed honestly pretty nonchalant about it x)
Jane: I won, but at what cost?
OMG, please tell me that she at least squeezed in one more loyalty mission before the omegarelay....i doubt it,but i hope
I know you said you weren’t going to press the button in Shepard’s cabin, but it gives you a unique opportunity. You could do an ME3 playthrough with things as they are, then go back and do one where everyone survived ME2. Plus, you still have Arrival to do, which bridges the gap between ME2 and 3.
Congrats, Jane. You did a great thing for the galaxy. Take pride in that. Keeping this spoiler free so that everyone else can enjoy it.
Drake, it's been a fun ride, and I can't wait to see what Jane has in store for Mass Effect 3!!!
The only og friend left for Jane to hit on is Liara now
Loyalty missions makes for less casualties and upgrades to the normandy are paramount AI isnt always smart
gotta say, I never used the original Risky Mission because of the auto upgrade shutoff, but having it increase the odds makes me reconsider
For future reference, the ship upgrades do not require the respective squadmates to be loyal, unless you imposed a rule for yourself. Also, RIP Jane's fish.
Edits: Romance also impacts readiness, so Garrus achieved Godhood. However, romance also slightly increases the chances for the crew to die.
The Biotic Specialist is definitely the one that needs the most preparation in my runs with this mod. Generally medium is enough for most tasks but not this one.
Interesting logic on the final section. Generally I pick the two lowest ready with me because in my eyes, I would rather have the high-tier squadmates save the medium ones.
I knew the final outcome would be rough, but damn that's really rough. I don't normally resurrect dead squadmates but there's a compelling case here, lmao.
I've always understood it as requiring them to be loyal. Unsure why, now that I'm seeing all the comments about it.
I've been playing with false information for like a decade and a half apparently
@@drakefs_
She would've needed to talk to Jacob at some point before loyalty mission to unlock the armor upgrade; so that one could've never happened.
Damn, that was brutal
Oh god this has so many repercussions. SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ME3
Tahne dead means that either Kirrahe (can't remember if he survived ME1) or worse, the Salarian council member will die, which puts the Virmire survivir at risk.
Garrus, despite traumatizing Jane, actually has few effects if I remember correctly.
Tali being gone means that peace between Quarians and Geth is impossible if I remeber correctly.
Jack doesn't have that many consequences honestly, neither do Kasumi, Grunt or Jacob, aside form their own side missions and some war assets.
Still, a potential dead Virmire Survivor and no geth quarian peace will be quite the burden on our commander going forward.
Oh there's no peace option now, you need five of seven points towards peace for that to be an option, and that includes resolving the tali/legion situation with a para/rene check, and doing both loyalties , iirc she rewrote the geth as well, so that's also -2 points, so , uhh, no
If you rewrite the geth, you literally have to do everything else right to get peace
@@DeitySkullKid Yeah peace is so so gone. It'll honestly be difficult for Jane to get all the war assets she might need to get the ending where all of the crew survives.
Rodriguez isn't getting out of school, is she? That's assuming Jane even takes on that side quest.
That was brutal!!!😢
So, Jane gets her romance killed *again*. She’s a black widow confirmed.
*Liara and Traynor look worried*
Im so pissed about Garrus!
This was intense.
Also ... sad
At 14:04 I got nauseous from “game anxiety”
Jane is kind of infuriating. Ugh, the choices she made. I knew this was going to be bad when she didn't do most of the loyalty missions.
NOOOOOOOO NOT GARRUS NOOOOO
She took this rather well. Good for her and good luck on the last game. Would you play this game series again if given the chance?
Lots of ways I'm considering different playthroughs.
I think someday, after a break after ME3, I'd be curious if I can get a different chat bot to play a BroShep
you should try this with a full loyal crew
You Are A Monster !
HERE WE GO
Rip the party. :)
At 5:30 in vid…..MIND BLOWN!
I need to get a pc so I can play this game with mods!