Ive been running the Osprey for days now, lost many of them. Running high tier gear doesn't make you invincible. It increases your chances of survival, not eliminates risk all together. Point is, only run gear you can afford to lose. Sometimes it makes sense to sell the level 6 plates to help fund a few lower tier kits.
This works I'm just not sure if the cost is worth it when the carriers are like 140k without plates... Maybe so but I find myself using the small thor a lot
oh man this new armor is so crazy. A few days ago i killed tagilla with one magnum buck double barrel shot. Took me a long minute to figure out that somehow he died
Really, yes. But I do think western plates are very important too - class 3 only goes so far whereas the sapi plates protect the thorax the best you can otherwise
@@Gigabeef my take away from armor hit boxes is that getting shot at sucks and you want hard cover over anything, armor is just a last ditch effort in saving your life
Class 3 neck protection is only good early wipe and for the occasional unlucky scav interaction. 9mm AP will literally one tap anyone via neckshot with it's pen being over 30, as well as other low tier smg rounds and rifle rounds
6B-23 had been my go-to hard budget armor. When you did the Lighthouse task where you need to go on the roofs, you can barter the tier 5 front plate for 40k and the armor itself is 20k after you sold the plate thats in it. So you got a nice armor for 60k. Add back plate for cheap if you want
Having this many armors in the bottom of the barrel is a problem. I wonder how they'll balance it. I think having the "plate" area be a more vital hitbox, with non plate torso areas being more akin to arms in term of damage recieved
They oculd make the plate hitbox bit bigger or make the armpit/neck area smaller so that all these armours aren't useless. As for now I'm only using osprey5 and uley flora, at lvl 47 lol.
Realistic TTK (nerf human tanks and medicine) and realistic penetration (most top armor piercing ammo must not penetrate the IV NIJ or Br5 armor plate) will fix it. But BSG won't do that.
@@dan1dan225 theyre trying too hard to balance realism or arcade shooter mmo. too many other aspects of the game that are lackluster on the realism to want to have plate hitboxes that are as small and "realistic" as the new ones are, especially when it fundamentally changed how armor worked completely after years.
I think now that we have a more nuanced armor system it’s time they make large protection area armor more punishing in ergo so the minimalist plate carriers don’t become completely irrelevant. Weight of soft armor can also be more realistically reflected. Heck, some design like the CPC can even add ergo in combo with plates since IRL its designed to handle heavy loads super well.
my IRL heavy kevlar with 3a polymer/ceramic plates is 26 ibs and near impossible to ADS with a rifle stock due to shoulder and neck armor Something thats not reflected in game. would tank "ergo" more than running speed. the reason why there is "shooters" cut to plates now
One aspect of the new armor system that I'm interest in experimenting with is the option to really min/max for weight, and I think that's where a lot of the "E" tier armors come in. by no means would it be meta but it may still be a niche that these armors can fill. Say I'm sniping for instance, for one thing I don't really *need* that level of protection because ideally I'm not getting into too many direct engagements. But on top of that, I'm also probably carrying around a relatively heavy rifle AND a secondary weapon for closer ranges, my weapons are already weighing me down a lot and I don't want a fully plated-up osprey weighing me down too. Normally I've been running the RBAV tho. perfect balance of protection, weight, and drip.
The problem with F tier armor is that you take full body torso damage even though you get hit on a non critical part of the body. If there was a way to make those hits do 60-70% damage they would be less useless... but having even more hitboxes in a game plagued by desync is probably asking for disaster.
Huge W content Giga, I hope this cuts down on all the disinformation and noise around hitbox zones and whatnot. Only thing is I wish you had taken a little more into account practical availability of plates themselves; for example the Korund is a mediocre carrier as you pointed out but it’s a cheap way to get class V plates and they don’t go in anything better as a carrier, which makes it a little more valuable in my eyes. Another thing is I think something like the Eclipse has a lot of practical value - available at early vendors, for rubles, and is a rig for Red Rebel and has all the weird magazine sizes covered too. That bumps it up for me.
Min/Maxing idea... Downside of the Osprey is the weight/penalty. You can barter for lighter/half penalty/higher durability plates after peacekeeping misson called Cult Locust. Swap those in and either sell back the plates to mechanic to reduce the cost OR swap those into the Thor concealable carrier and have a solid PVP focused Thor armor.
if i am not mistaken with elite lvl str it stops counting weight of gun so thats 4-6kg down that can go towards armour :D now we just need to grind elite strenght lol
They need to adjust non vital areas with different hitboxes and multipliers. Armor was made to protect all the important bits but getting shot in the collar bone or grazed in the armpit area is a kill. This made most of the armor useless and it’s antithetical to the progression of the video game.
6B13 is the most OP sleeper armor this patch. You get this from scavs frequently, for free, it is class 4, it repairs insanely well (that's the most OP thing in my opinion), cheaply, and it is common, heavy and bulky, so noone takes it from your body. Also you can easily buy class 5 plates for it, and they are heavy and bulky as well, so even taking them out of your armor is usually a nuisance for person looting you. Most of my insured 6B13s return to me, even with class 5 plates, and I have to spend 10k max to repair it, and I'm ready to go. And it covers you pretty good, has neck and groin protection, it is ultimate versus scavs, and ok versus players. In meta where you usually get sprayed into face anyway there is no point in taking more expensive and rare armor, especially spending like 200k on them
They should split the stomach into upper and lower, alot of these armors look like they protect at least the upper stomach but instead it doesnt cover it at all
its hilarious. armors that were considered god-tier like the slick and hexgrid are now considered the worst armors in the game, and armors that were considered low-tier are now considered viable
TV-110, AA-CPC, etc. do still have one big use! Stash space multipliers early in the wipe. Getting 20+ effective slots in the space of 12 is great in early wipe if you need extra space (esp. for non-EOD folks). Past that, pull the plates and throw them in the trash.
Personally think covering the armpit hitbox is more important then this ranking shows. Love the content! Thanks for all thought and time you put into your videos!
Going by the price of plates and how easily you can obtain them, i don't think this make too much sense. Maybe in a world where you have infinite money. The more efficient the resource usage, the better in almost all cases.
Hey, thanks for all those guides! They're super informative and helpful, especially for relatively new players like me. Are you by chance planning on doing a guide on armor plates as well? There's tons of different ones, and tbh I have trouble picking wich ones are good and where or how to get my hands on them. I'm sure I'm missing out on some deal or trick to improve my survivability, any form of guidance would be appreciated. Again, thanks for all your work and have a good one!
Imo the Strandhogg and Banshee should have wrap around soft armor protection. Both are fitted with cummerbunds that have built in pockets to take soft armor panels and plates
Amazing video. I’ve never learned so much in one video since the days I started playing Tarkov and everything was new to me. 4 min in and I’m understanding I gotta throw out what I used to know from before 0.14
Some vests, like the green Uley, do not have collarbone protection and anything can one-shot you there and it will be considered as a thorax. Naturally, the scavs are constantly shooting there, the developers are great...
I mean i dont know what we expected but this whole implementation is prime bsg logic. "Its realistic, thats where those real, existing, armors have the plates" Sure, but in actual real life, the plates are were they are for a reason, because thats were your vital organs are. Idk i think it shouldve been blindingly obvious that adding all those extra hitbox areas wouldve also needed extra health areas for those hitboxes. Either a "vital thorax" and a "nonvital thorax" area or extending the arms and stomach, but what do i know lmao.
The Osprey and Thor heavy were some of my favorite armors, I'm happy to see they are just as good, if not better after the update. If I'm going heavy, I'll take either a kitted out Caiman or a heavy trooper for full protection. If I'm ratting, I'll just take a Bagerly with whatever helmet I have available.
@@Gigabeef It would also make a heap of sense. In reality literally none of the armors with "Plate carrier" in the name (and some others besides those, too) come with any integrated soft armor. Very, very commonly soldiers will wear a soft armor similar to the PACA for protection from shrapnel and such, and then a plate carrier on top of that for protection of vital organs against actual bullets (and larger, faster shrapnel). In fact, if anything, systems like the Osprey and IOTV where you have soft armor, plates and webbing all in one are actually uncommon, especially outside of military forces - and even actual military forces aren't necessarily going to use that if they can. For instance, I can tell you from personal experience that Estonia went from that three-in-one deal to having a plate carrier with webbing and then a separate soft armor under that. So yeah, absolutely, we should be able to get a PACA, and then put an MBSS on top of that for plates and loot space. Thankfully none of this is particularly relevant to me since I just use the 6B23-2. Eastern plates may have less coverage, but they're also way cheaper, and honestly I hardly ever have to repair my armor after a raid anyway, which indicates that I'd probably be better off not even bothering with class 4 armor lol.
Yeah this would be an interesting system, would hopefully give some options for players (because right now its only a select few armors that are gonna be used tbh), but BSG would need to split up the armor slot into 2 - "Soft armors" & "Plate carriers".
They need to add multipliers to non-vital torso areas. One HP round to the shoulder shouldn't insta-kill you. Make it like 60% of original damage until they can figure out a better solution and the problem is solved.
it still feels like the armor system is half finished. heres hoping they make some tweaks to the thorax hitbox so that half the armors in the game arent useless
I think with armored tactical rigs that dont have any soft armor you should be able to put a soft armor below it like a paca for example would make them less useless :)
Good work Giga. Took me awhile to figure this out but totally agree on the osprey/kirasa and t3 thor. Level 5 plates in the fronts and sides save lives.
Ospray level 4 has been my go to since I unlocked it. Now I use the level 5 now that I have that. Finding level 6 plates in raid and swapping then out for the level 5's makes the armour so strong
A lot of these armors are treated too harshly. Mainly Strandhog and any of the armoured vests with soft armour behind plates, as the shoulder straps somehow count as armour for some reason
Been spamming the Defender-2 with the lvl 5 plates from the HPC since I unlocked Ragman 4, this is very strong, 7.45 Kg only, and if you find a Hexgrid or Tagilla armor then you can get a super nice lvl 6 armor which is 9 Kg by just putting the lvl 6 plate in the front
Everyone thinks these armors are trash but when everyone runs ammo that pens class 3 then they will come into play. Because if you get killed thru the soft armor no matter what then not having it won’t matter as much
The PACA in my opinion is straight up S+++ Tier. It has saved me from dying in more cases than any other Armor. I consider it a Poor man slick. And it is not because I only play with paca no, it's jsut been after 4 wipes I still prefer the Paca over the slick
i've been one shot like 90% of the time i've ran the osprey (p) and died , just goes to show how there really is no overpowered armour in tarkov anymore
All the S tier armors START at above 14kg with default configs and assuming I'm buying them with plates from traders that makes them practically worthless. I'd rather take a TV rig with GAC plates or a Kirasa with br4's weighting 6kg and 8kg than start the raid heavily overweight.
I've been using a lot of the E rated ones myself as they're really cheap, give tons of space for loot, doesn't weigh me down a lot when using lighter plates, and also very importantly IMO is how much room they take in your stash. as all these higher rated ones don't give you any space for loot to claim back some stash space. So far this wipe I've just adapted the "don't rely on your armour" mentality and rather tried using guns that work well and just.. shoot first I guess :p They *really* need to add a way of seeing exactly how much of the body is covered by the armour etc. at this point we need like a whole war thunder style of armour preview lol
I legit only get headshot, helmets haven’t stopped a single round and I went several raids without any armor at all and had no problems. That being said I do enjoy being able to make aacpc rigs lvl 4-5 very very cheap
Can i request a video for replacing armours plates we have so many options to replace plates but the game doesnt say how the material effects its defence can we get a plate material video
I really disagree with putting paca over the plate only carriers. Paca is getting penned by 99% of bullets anyway, why am I gonna run something that has a 1% chance of stopping rounds over something that I could potentially get 1 tapped through on my upper thorax hitbox. At least the slick will protect from decent bullets before I get dropped. My point is with class 2 youre gonna get instakilled through it by 99% of bullets anyway so it doesn't even matter that it has a larger protection hitbox.
Great timing on this video. Is there any consideration that perhaps with late-wipe labs when everyone's slinging M995 and the soft armor will make no difference at all anyway, something like a Slick or Hexgrid might become better than it currently is at this stage of the wipe? Or would you still think it will be superior to just put the top tier plates into something with extra soft armor protection anyway?
ive seen so many of these armor tier lists this one is alot better explained.... but it seems when it comes to helmets its almost pointless having one cause you never see a video about them lol
I just run kirasa with T4-5 plates in front exclusively. Only looking to protect unlucky one shot in the neck by trash ammo or shotgun pellets. T3 neck protection is basically nothing against any reasonably geared pmc anyway at this point of wipe
So I'm trying my best to understand this. At the end of the video it says you don't have to worry about the shape of the armor because of it says if it covers an area it covers an area. Do the plates do the same thing or are the plates actually only protecting their shape? If the armor has a giant hole in the side compared to another one but still has side armor does that mean it protects the whole side or just where the side armor is physically located visually?
Plates are similar but there is a difference between western and Eastern plates. Western is more thorax/less stomach, eastern is less thorax/more stomach. But yes plates basically protect their shape. Side is confusing now because no armor covers the thorax side, only stomach side. This is what is referred to on the soft armor, and yes all armor with side is the same area protected. Side plates specifically can be a bit different but at their highest go right up to the thorax hitbox but never cover it. This is for ones like the osprey. The zabralo is really low on the side plates for example.
Super nice video and tier list - it's exactly what I tell my rookies about armor. One question: In this tier list, the 'Arm Pit' is not fully discussed. My mates and I often died from random shots by SCAVs through the arm pit, so I see some differences between your tier list and my gameplay. Could you share your experience regarding the arm pit?
Arm pit is not coverable by anything unfortunately, it's basically the "thorax-side" hitbox. Best you can do is wear shoulder and hope the bullet goes through the upper arm first
This new armor system is overkill. Armor does almost nothing anymore. You should remember that this is still a computer game. I don't think too much realism is good for it!
I can't agree with putting same armor with and without side protection on same tier, as all you have to do is beaing slightly rotated and boom Scav with Devastator, Buckshot or HP SKS
No armor protects the side of the thorax though, with the partial exception of the shoulder armors for round that pen arms and on into the chest. Stomach shots are rarely fatal any more with the reduced pass through damage of 105% so I don't think it matters that much most of the time
I'm continuing to run a Banshee with a lvl 4 on the front :) Light, good magazine space, helps *most* of the time and I'll just fraud it when I win a fight. Very good list though, I'm just a cheap basterd.
Came here to say this. I agree with most of the no soft armor kits being in F tier but that carrier being so light makes it really useful for running a super lightweight kit and still having a class 4 front plate
@Gigabeef good to know! Is there a side to the stomach hitbox or is that just the front? Also I thought it had been confirmed that soft armor covers where the armor is visible, making certain ones better that cover a bit more around the side. Is that not true?
Soft armor covers what it says on the tooltip, same areas, same coverage between armors. Side armor is just stomach side indeed, both for soft and plates@@ftg_vader8690
I think many people missing 1 thing about E-tier platecarriers - the actual plate/platecarrier hitbox and how it fits on your pmc. You can compare vests like Slick, hexgrid and A18 on player model and see, that some carriers sits weirdly than others exposing bigger areas On opposite side, you have vests (e.g ArsArma CPC) that fits right on center of mass and you have plate+soft armour (and sometimes side plates) Yep, you re more fragile when we talk about scav lucky shots but does 2/3 lvl armour really matters in pvp?
100% yep shotguns will struggle vs lvl 3 and its important kneck plus when plate is penned it weakens the bullets pen so even with lvl 3 plate or lvl 4 plate it makes the lvl 2/3 soft stronger
in labs u dont need any thing other than plate armor since every one is going in with 35+ pen ammo ur soft aroumr is going to provide no protection so its better to save money
not a chance i would run anything without full thorax coverage, including throat and neck. Every single raid i died with an armor that doesnt have troat and neck its because of these areas. and scavs somehow seem to be coded like hitting uncovered areas perfectly. No stomach coverage= stomach gets blacked, no throad= basicly onetapped. if u run these areas i dont even get hit there in the first place and my arms get hit first. if i run arm protection i am getting shot in the legs. its really crazy but i can live with armes and legs being blown off from time to time xD. if on a budget the Kirasa with lvl 4 or 5 plates feels the savest. if you cant get the plates get the 6B5 Uley and dont turn sideway. either facetank or turn 180. Problem now is after a month of wipe most people will pen the uley. so its basicly only good against smgs and scavs.
ew i know you need money to survive but i really hate any AI that's being used to push out creatives. There's tons of open source music out there and it's one of the only ways for artists to get noticed, and chances are it's what was sampled for this AI thing anyways. great vid as always!
What about helmets? I've been using the Bastion + Slap every raid, but find the Exfil + Facemask is the more worthwhile option most of the time. I was wondering about your opinion on best helmets to run either way though!
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Never thought I’d see the day where the PACA outranks a slick/hexgrid
it doesn’t, this dude is an idiot. watch someone like airwing
If I’m desperate, fence sells half masks bandanas for like 3300 roubles a piece. Buy 3 of those for ragman barters and bam, 10k armour right there.
@@Aulsaltfence also has a cool thing where if you’re around mid wipe and low level, you can buy 7.62x54 T-46 for a nice level 4 pen ammo for a mosin
I've been relying on those bullets for a bit now lmao@@SenkaBandit
@@Aulsalt same, sniped a guy on factory in w it
ran my first upgraded kirasa on interchange with tier 6 front, tier 5 back and got neck shot by a 9k hour player using t46 in an SVD
At least you’ll probaly get it back in insurance
What's your point? People run millions of total raids a day, why should one stand out? Move on.
Ive been running the Osprey for days now, lost many of them. Running high tier gear doesn't make you invincible. It increases your chances of survival, not eliminates risk all together.
Point is, only run gear you can afford to lose. Sometimes it makes sense to sell the level 6 plates to help fund a few lower tier kits.
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You can buy ospreys off the flea and put in class 4/5 plates. Side plates make you dummy heavy and class 3 soft protects you either way.
This works I'm just not sure if the cost is worth it when the carriers are like 140k without plates... Maybe so but I find myself using the small thor a lot
Found one on a random dead player last week and nearly shat myself when I saw what it was worth. Unfortunately it wasn't found in raid.
@@corruptedpoison1....its meant for using in raid not for selling
@@pascaltomasovic3586 you're playing it wrong, you're supposed to get out with good loot just to see your stash value go up, that's it /s
@@Gigabeef thor is 100% the best for mid wipe, but no neck protection and i find myself dying to that every other raid lol
oh man this new armor is so crazy. A few days ago i killed tagilla with one magnum buck double barrel shot. Took me a long minute to figure out that somehow he died
gigabeef on his way to make a video and change meta and ruin the flea market once again
Class 3 neck protection/soft armor is really what you should be gunning for high-end armors
Really, yes. But I do think western plates are very important too - class 3 only goes so far whereas the sapi plates protect the thorax the best you can otherwise
@@Gigabeef my take away from armor hit boxes is that getting shot at sucks and you want hard cover over anything, armor is just a last ditch effort in saving your life
Class 3 neck protection is only good early wipe and for the occasional unlucky scav interaction. 9mm AP will literally one tap anyone via neckshot with it's pen being over 30, as well as other low tier smg rounds and rifle rounds
6B-23 had been my go-to hard budget armor. When you did the Lighthouse task where you need to go on the roofs, you can barter the tier 5 front plate for 40k and the armor itself is 20k after you sold the plate thats in it. So you got a nice armor for 60k. Add back plate for cheap if you want
After watching like 10 of these armor tier lists for 0.14 I can truly say, this right here is the definitive one. Great work!
another W from Giga. congrats on the ad also, that ai tool is actually pretty sweet looking
Thanks! It's pretty cool to play around with, I've been removing vocals from tracks I like for fun haha
Having this many armors in the bottom of the barrel is a problem. I wonder how they'll balance it. I think having the "plate" area be a more vital hitbox, with non plate torso areas being more akin to arms in term of damage recieved
They oculd make the plate hitbox bit bigger or make the armpit/neck area smaller so that all these armours aren't useless. As for now I'm only using osprey5 and uley flora, at lvl 47 lol.
Realistic TTK (nerf human tanks and medicine) and realistic penetration (most top armor piercing ammo must not penetrate the IV NIJ or Br5 armor plate) will fix it. But BSG won't do that.
@@dan1dan225 theyre trying too hard to balance realism or arcade shooter mmo. too many other aspects of the game that are lackluster on the realism to want to have plate hitboxes that are as small and "realistic" as the new ones are, especially when it fundamentally changed how armor worked completely after years.
I think now that we have a more nuanced armor system it’s time they make large protection area armor more punishing in ergo so the minimalist plate carriers don’t become completely irrelevant. Weight of soft armor can also be more realistically reflected. Heck, some design like the CPC can even add ergo in combo with plates since IRL its designed to handle heavy loads super well.
my IRL heavy kevlar with 3a polymer/ceramic plates is 26 ibs and near impossible to ADS with a rifle stock due to shoulder and neck armor Something thats not reflected in game. would tank "ergo" more than running speed. the reason why there is "shooters" cut to plates now
One aspect of the new armor system that I'm interest in experimenting with is the option to really min/max for weight, and I think that's where a lot of the "E" tier armors come in. by no means would it be meta but it may still be a niche that these armors can fill.
Say I'm sniping for instance, for one thing I don't really *need* that level of protection because ideally I'm not getting into too many direct engagements. But on top of that, I'm also probably carrying around a relatively heavy rifle AND a secondary weapon for closer ranges, my weapons are already weighing me down a lot and I don't want a fully plated-up osprey weighing me down too.
Normally I've been running the RBAV tho. perfect balance of protection, weight, and drip.
We all know that there is truly only one thing that matters when it comes to armor and that is DRIP and you can't convince me otherwise.
@@noobguy9973 100% agree
The problem with F tier armor is that you take full body torso damage even though you get hit on a non critical part of the body. If there was a way to make those hits do 60-70% damage they would be less useless... but having even more hitboxes in a game plagued by desync is probably asking for disaster.
Huge W content Giga, I hope this cuts down on all the disinformation and noise around hitbox zones and whatnot. Only thing is I wish you had taken a little more into account practical availability of plates themselves; for example the Korund is a mediocre carrier as you pointed out but it’s a cheap way to get class V plates and they don’t go in anything better as a carrier, which makes it a little more valuable in my eyes. Another thing is I think something like the Eclipse has a lot of practical value - available at early vendors, for rubles, and is a rig for Red Rebel and has all the weird magazine sizes covered too. That bumps it up for me.
Min/Maxing idea...
Downside of the Osprey is the weight/penalty. You can barter for lighter/half penalty/higher durability plates after peacekeeping misson called Cult Locust.
Swap those in and either sell back the plates to mechanic to reduce the cost OR swap those into the Thor concealable carrier and have a solid PVP focused Thor armor.
if i am not mistaken with elite lvl str it stops counting weight of gun so thats 4-6kg down that can go towards armour :D now we just need to grind elite strenght lol
They need to adjust non vital areas with different hitboxes and multipliers. Armor was made to protect all the important bits but getting shot in the collar bone or grazed in the armpit area is a kill. This made most of the armor useless and it’s antithetical to the progression of the video game.
6B13 is the most OP sleeper armor this patch. You get this from scavs frequently, for free, it is class 4, it repairs insanely well (that's the most OP thing in my opinion), cheaply, and it is common, heavy and bulky, so noone takes it from your body. Also you can easily buy class 5 plates for it, and they are heavy and bulky as well, so even taking them out of your armor is usually a nuisance for person looting you. Most of my insured 6B13s return to me, even with class 5 plates, and I have to spend 10k max to repair it, and I'm ready to go. And it covers you pretty good, has neck and groin protection, it is ultimate versus scavs, and ok versus players. In meta where you usually get sprayed into face anyway there is no point in taking more expensive and rare armor, especially spending like 200k on them
They should split the stomach into upper and lower, alot of these armors look like they protect at least the upper stomach but instead it doesnt cover it at all
its hilarious.
armors that were considered god-tier like the slick and hexgrid are now considered the worst armors in the game, and armors that were considered low-tier are now considered viable
TV-110, AA-CPC, etc. do still have one big use!
Stash space multipliers early in the wipe. Getting 20+ effective slots in the space of 12 is great in early wipe if you need extra space (esp. for non-EOD folks).
Past that, pull the plates and throw them in the trash.
osprey assault is the most efficient
Personally think covering the armpit hitbox is more important then this ranking shows. Love the content! Thanks for all thought and time you put into your videos!
Best explanation of the armors yet.💯
Going by the price of plates and how easily you can obtain them, i don't think this make too much sense. Maybe in a world where you have infinite money. The more efficient the resource usage, the better in almost all cases.
Hey, thanks for all those guides! They're super informative and helpful, especially for relatively new players like me.
Are you by chance planning on doing a guide on armor plates as well? There's tons of different ones, and tbh I have trouble picking wich ones are good and where or how to get my hands on them. I'm sure I'm missing out on some deal or trick to improve my survivability, any form of guidance would be appreciated.
Again, thanks for all your work and have a good one!
Imo the Strandhogg and Banshee should have wrap around soft armor protection. Both are fitted with cummerbunds that have built in pockets to take soft armor panels and plates
Amazing video. I’ve never learned so much in one video since the days I started playing Tarkov and everything was new to me. 4 min in and I’m understanding I gotta throw out what I used to know from before 0.14
hpc 2.5kg 2 tier 5 plates useless?
Some vests, like the green Uley, do not have collarbone protection and anything can one-shot you there and it will be considered as a thorax. Naturally, the scavs are constantly shooting there, the developers are great...
I mean i dont know what we expected but this whole implementation is prime bsg logic. "Its realistic, thats where those real, existing, armors have the plates" Sure, but in actual real life, the plates are were they are for a reason, because thats were your vital organs are. Idk i think it shouldve been blindingly obvious that adding all those extra hitbox areas wouldve also needed extra health areas for those hitboxes. Either a "vital thorax" and a "nonvital thorax" area or extending the arms and stomach, but what do i know lmao.
The Osprey and Thor heavy were some of my favorite armors, I'm happy to see they are just as good, if not better after the update. If I'm going heavy, I'll take either a kitted out Caiman or a heavy trooper for full protection. If I'm ratting, I'll just take a Bagerly with whatever helmet I have available.
Is there any WAY to improve/ fix the E Tier armor to be viable?
Maybe if we could wear the armor with paca like we could back in the days?
Yeah this is a good idea
@@Gigabeef It would also make a heap of sense.
In reality literally none of the armors with "Plate carrier" in the name (and some others besides those, too) come with any integrated soft armor. Very, very commonly soldiers will wear a soft armor similar to the PACA for protection from shrapnel and such, and then a plate carrier on top of that for protection of vital organs against actual bullets (and larger, faster shrapnel). In fact, if anything, systems like the Osprey and IOTV where you have soft armor, plates and webbing all in one are actually uncommon, especially outside of military forces - and even actual military forces aren't necessarily going to use that if they can. For instance, I can tell you from personal experience that Estonia went from that three-in-one deal to having a plate carrier with webbing and then a separate soft armor under that.
So yeah, absolutely, we should be able to get a PACA, and then put an MBSS on top of that for plates and loot space.
Thankfully none of this is particularly relevant to me since I just use the 6B23-2. Eastern plates may have less coverage, but they're also way cheaper, and honestly I hardly ever have to repair my armor after a raid anyway, which indicates that I'd probably be better off not even bothering with class 4 armor lol.
@@wurfyy please post any pictures of soldiers running soft armor with plate carriers that isn't ICW
Yeah this would be an interesting system, would hopefully give some options for players (because right now its only a select few armors that are gonna be used tbh), but BSG would need to split up the armor slot into 2 - "Soft armors" & "Plate carriers".
They need to add multipliers to non-vital torso areas. One HP round to the shoulder shouldn't insta-kill you. Make it like 60% of original damage until they can figure out a better solution and the problem is solved.
it still feels like the armor system is half finished. heres hoping they make some tweaks to the thorax hitbox so that half the armors in the game arent useless
I think with armored tactical rigs that dont have any soft armor you should be able to put a soft armor below it like a paca for example would make them less useless :)
Well say bye to the plate hit boxes because too many complainers thought high tier armor was supposed to make them invincible
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Good work Giga. Took me awhile to figure this out but totally agree on the osprey/kirasa and t3 thor. Level 5 plates in the fronts and sides save lives.
Ospray level 4 has been my go to since I unlocked it. Now I use the level 5 now that I have that. Finding level 6 plates in raid and swapping then out for the level 5's makes the armour so strong
Great video giga, now waiting for an armor plates tier list
i dont think theres a need for a armor plate tier list might be wrong tho
@@yetiyetawski8316 the point is that’s there is so many of them so it’s not just stick any level 4 plate and your good to go
A lot of these armors are treated too harshly. Mainly Strandhog and any of the armoured vests with soft armour behind plates, as the shoulder straps somehow count as armour for some reason
I got one tapped with a Zhuk 6a from 15 meters from a saiga scav to right armpit...
Thank you Gigabeef. For new player it is immensely helpful
As much as it makes sense that the less coverage the worse the armor is, its kinda sad bc the platecarriers always looked the best.
Been spamming the Defender-2 with the lvl 5 plates from the HPC since I unlocked Ragman 4, this is very strong, 7.45 Kg only, and if you find a Hexgrid or Tagilla armor then you can get a super nice lvl 6 armor which is 9 Kg by just putting the lvl 6 plate in the front
The thor really has had the most insane glow up
Everyone thinks these armors are trash but when everyone runs ammo that pens class 3 then they will come into play. Because if you get killed thru the soft armor no matter what then not having it won’t matter as much
The PACA in my opinion is straight up S+++ Tier. It has saved me from dying in more cases than any other Armor. I consider it a Poor man slick. And it is not because I only play with paca no, it's jsut been after 4 wipes I still prefer the Paca over the slick
i've been one shot like 90% of the time i've ran the osprey (p) and died , just goes to show how there really is no overpowered armour in tarkov anymore
Bro I was chilling for days bartering an osprey every reset and now they are sold out right after reset.
All the S tier armors START at above 14kg with default configs and assuming I'm buying them with plates from traders that makes them practically worthless. I'd rather take a TV rig with GAC plates or a Kirasa with br4's weighting 6kg and 8kg than start the raid heavily overweight.
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I've been using a lot of the E rated ones myself as they're really cheap, give tons of space for loot, doesn't weigh me down a lot when using lighter plates, and also very importantly IMO is how much room they take in your stash. as all these higher rated ones don't give you any space for loot to claim back some stash space. So far this wipe I've just adapted the "don't rely on your armour" mentality and rather tried using guns that work well and just.. shoot first I guess :p
They *really* need to add a way of seeing exactly how much of the body is covered by the armour etc. at this point we need like a whole war thunder style of armour preview lol
Nooooooo not the CPC! why would i even do long line! lmao this is wild. Never in my life would i imagine a press armor better than a tagilla armor
I'm not even sure if long line unlocks it any more
ive had great luck with the thor this wipe
I legit only get headshot, helmets haven’t stopped a single round and I went several raids without any armor at all and had no problems. That being said I do enjoy being able to make aacpc rigs lvl 4-5 very very cheap
Can i request a video for replacing armours plates we have so many options to replace plates but the game doesnt say how the material effects its defence can we get a plate material video
I have a few things to figure out first but hopefully soon
I really disagree with putting paca over the plate only carriers. Paca is getting penned by 99% of bullets anyway, why am I gonna run something that has a 1% chance of stopping rounds over something that I could potentially get 1 tapped through on my upper thorax hitbox. At least the slick will protect from decent bullets before I get dropped. My point is with class 2 youre gonna get instakilled through it by 99% of bullets anyway so it doesn't even matter that it has a larger protection hitbox.
Great timing on this video.
Is there any consideration that perhaps with late-wipe labs when everyone's slinging M995 and the soft armor will make no difference at all anyway, something like a Slick or Hexgrid might become better than it currently is at this stage of the wipe? Or would you still think it will be superior to just put the top tier plates into something with extra soft armor protection anyway?
Hate tocsee it with the TT SK. Its such a cool looking armor
ive seen so many of these armor tier lists this one is alot better explained.... but it seems when it comes to helmets its almost pointless having one cause you never see a video about them lol
Thank you for your hard work beefy boy!
Hey thanks so much! Really appreciate it
That ad was so well made!!
The new armor system is making me really not want to wear any armor since I either get shot in the face/armpit/legs anyways
Trooper is D tier, I take the plates and put them in kirasas all the time.
6:37 6b23-1, the green one, front plates aren't interchangeable with Korund and other armor. It's limited to tier 3 specific plate.
After about a month since wipe, does anyone like the new armor system?
I just run kirasa with T4-5 plates in front exclusively. Only looking to protect unlucky one shot in the neck by trash ammo or shotgun pellets. T3 neck protection is basically nothing against any reasonably geared pmc anyway at this point of wipe
I hope ppl don't gonna check plates on my c tier armor after this vid
Osprey is the best one and really cheap. Just trades for 3 SAS drives
I still love the style of the mmac but i cant pretend its nearly as viable as it used to be 😢
So I'm trying my best to understand this. At the end of the video it says you don't have to worry about the shape of the armor because of it says if it covers an area it covers an area. Do the plates do the same thing or are the plates actually only protecting their shape? If the armor has a giant hole in the side compared to another one but still has side armor does that mean it protects the whole side or just where the side armor is physically located visually?
Plates are similar but there is a difference between western and Eastern plates. Western is more thorax/less stomach, eastern is less thorax/more stomach.
But yes plates basically protect their shape.
Side is confusing now because no armor covers the thorax side, only stomach side. This is what is referred to on the soft armor, and yes all armor with side is the same area protected. Side plates specifically can be a bit different but at their highest go right up to the thorax hitbox but never cover it. This is for ones like the osprey. The zabralo is really low on the side plates for example.
I'm currently running A,B,C tier armour at the moment
people hate the MMAC and I don't understand it has side protection
I would agree with you the most copared to tierlists other guys made, mby trooper and anna is too high but other stuff is reasonable, good job :)
Super nice video and tier list - it's exactly what I tell my rookies about armor. One question: In this tier list, the 'Arm Pit' is not fully discussed. My mates and I often died from random shots by SCAVs through the arm pit, so I see some differences between your tier list and my gameplay. Could you share your experience regarding the arm pit?
Arm pit is not coverable by anything unfortunately, it's basically the "thorax-side" hitbox. Best you can do is wear shoulder and hope the bullet goes through the upper arm first
yah its crazy, i run the E tier shit if i want to be light and fast, or am playin solo so my chances of surviving are so low anyway
This new armor system is overkill. Armor does almost nothing anymore. You should remember that this is still a computer game. I don't think too much realism is good for it!
Hey, can you please make a Video about the effect of arms tanking lower pen rounds and how it affects armor and time to kill?
Interesting idea, perhaps in the future!
I can't agree with putting same armor with and without side protection on same tier, as all you have to do is beaing slightly rotated and boom Scav with Devastator, Buckshot or HP SKS
No armor protects the side of the thorax though, with the partial exception of the shoulder armors for round that pen arms and on into the chest.
Stomach shots are rarely fatal any more with the reduced pass through damage of 105% so I don't think it matters that much most of the time
@@Gigabeef Fair enough, I take my take back
I hate how the coolest looking armors are now the worst
soft armour is too op atm in my opinion. most of these soft armours are just for fragmentation and its stopping steel core rounds
I'm continuing to run a Banshee with a lvl 4 on the front :)
Light, good magazine space, helps *most* of the time and I'll just fraud it when I win a fight.
Very good list though, I'm just a cheap basterd.
been using the HPC a lot, it's very light and combos very well with a bolt action.
Came here to say this. I agree with most of the no soft armor kits being in F tier but that carrier being so light makes it really useful for running a super lightweight kit and still having a class 4 front plate
Thank you for this !
Surprised to see the Trooper armor make B tier since the armpit is wide open
Armpit is open on every armor - impossible to protect the thorax side hitbox. Nothing does!
@Gigabeef good to know! Is there a side to the stomach hitbox or is that just the front? Also I thought it had been confirmed that soft armor covers where the armor is visible, making certain ones better that cover a bit more around the side. Is that not true?
Soft armor covers what it says on the tooltip, same areas, same coverage between armors. Side armor is just stomach side indeed, both for soft and plates@@ftg_vader8690
@@Gigabeef OK cool thanks
Mr beef I need a helmet tier list now
I think many people missing 1 thing about E-tier platecarriers - the actual plate/platecarrier hitbox and how it fits on your pmc.
You can compare vests like Slick, hexgrid and A18 on player model and see, that some carriers sits weirdly than others exposing bigger areas
On opposite side, you have vests (e.g ArsArma CPC) that fits right on center of mass and you have plate+soft armour (and sometimes side plates)
Yep, you re more fragile when we talk about scav lucky shots but does 2/3 lvl armour really matters in pvp?
100% yep shotguns will struggle vs lvl 3 and its important kneck plus when plate is penned it weakens the bullets pen so even with lvl 3 plate or lvl 4 plate it makes the lvl 2/3 soft stronger
in labs u dont need any thing other than plate armor since every one is going in with 35+ pen ammo ur soft aroumr is going to provide no protection so its better to save money
Soft armour works after the plate so 35+ pen hits plate then is no longer 35+ pen when it hits the soft armour under it.
not a chance i would run anything without full thorax coverage, including throat and neck. Every single raid i died with an armor that doesnt have troat and neck its because of these areas. and scavs somehow seem to be coded like hitting uncovered areas perfectly. No stomach coverage= stomach gets blacked, no throad= basicly onetapped. if u run these areas i dont even get hit there in the first place and my arms get hit first. if i run arm protection i am getting shot in the legs.
its really crazy but i can live with armes and legs being blown off from time to time xD.
if on a budget the Kirasa with lvl 4 or 5 plates feels the savest. if you cant get the plates get the 6B5 Uley and dont turn sideway. either facetank or turn 180. Problem now is after a month of wipe most people will pen the uley. so its basicly only good against smgs and scavs.
Concise and well explained.
Can you do the same for helmets?
ew i know you need money to survive but i really hate any AI that's being used to push out creatives. There's tons of open source music out there and it's one of the only ways for artists to get noticed, and chances are it's what was sampled for this AI thing anyways.
great vid as always!
What about helmets? I've been using the Bastion + Slap every raid, but find the Exfil + Facemask is the more worthwhile option most of the time. I was wondering about your opinion on best helmets to run either way though!
can u share the tier list? Link or smth pls
I just run the tv110 imo no reason not to 90k most armor and movement. Imo if you’re worried about getting shot in the neck you’re not moving enough
MBSS i use for woods, big boolet is gonna go through anyway
the plateframe is not the crye cpc? what? 0:23
Thanks
How on Earth did the Trooper and OTV make it to B tier. Tier 2 soft with no throat or groin... those are some of the worst armors now.
3:10 where does the Slickers bar rate? I’d say high B tier
5:31 "so if you are hunting scavs in a non pvp area" im really curious about what you ment by that
Pvp area as in high traffic loot spawns where you'll run into players often