9:32 perfectly shows what thermal gameplay is like, actually had me laughing out loud. See something hot, start putting rounds into it, cant tell if whatever it is is dead or not so put another one in for good measure and even after the engagement is over you're still not even sure if you just spent 100k of ammo on a living person, a dead body or even just a hot bit of environment. Classic :D
The Flir and reapir are supposed to be able to be used like that. The Flir is supposed to even be able to go 1x and attach to a helmet mount for a monocular thermal
Zeus knife barter is locked behind broadcast 5 Also, one thing you didn't mention that can be a real issue at longer distance is the weird top to down refresh on both zeus and flir, which you can see clearly at 05:11, it messed up so many shots for me
yea that thing is really bad with the zeus. cant line up a perfect shot at range because the refresh rate appears to constantly move your crosshair down. its a very weird feeling.
The same key being bound to both zoom and mode change is what has made the new thermals practically irrelevant for me. Too fiddly. And it's hard to beat the sugar barter for the Flir. Especially when you stock up early wipe, but even now, aquamari and sugar are a decently efficient hideout food, and you basically get a free thermal after using a bunch of them down to 1 point.
@@darkally1235 I wasn't talking about changing optics. You change the red hot/fusion modes on these scopes by cycling the zoom. 1x Red > 2x Red > 1x Fusion > 2x Fusion > 1x Red... Same thing goes for that one long range scope sniper scavs sometimes have on an SV-98. Really nice (for the price) scope, but you can light up the reticle, so every time you change the zoom you have to click it 3 times to go back to the one you started with, instead of just one click on a normal scope. Just a pain in the ass to deal with.
@9:47 yes, bullet hits are hot (for some reason). Candles are another confusing heat source. You need to slow down your scanning when using a thermal because of the low refresh rate. You need to do a smooth pan, not whipping it around. The low refresh rate also makes it very difficult to hit targets moving side to side.
it actually makes sense how something able to notice candlefire from 350m does see heat of kinetic contact of bullet. And maybe some of heat from initial explosion pushing it if it didnt fly that far.
Nice one! You were just testing out the Echo the other day where you had a few surprise kills on Woods, and I guess it intrigued you enough to make a full video on them.
I use the Zeus on Fusion mode because with the proper post-fx setting it can be used with GPNVG helmet mounted night vision to great effect for huge night raiding.
I've been using Echo for weeks now and have gotten used to it. Made me wonder if this will give me a bad habit considering target acquisition but it actually improved it with other scopes as well. I now use it with ARs as well.
The refresh rate of the scopes has basically killed using any of them for me. They feel so bad when trying to shoot and I rarely hit targets at range. I tried the Zeus a couple times early wipe before the lock behind broadcast five and felt like complete garbage. The only semi useful one is the reapir and even that one still had still had some issues.
Can you please do a video on Flashlight, Flashlight+Laser combos on how much they flash the vision of the opponent? Like, what's the difference between the Klesch, X400 and the Baldr Pro, other than their prices?
I wanted to comment that you can have a pretty cool gameboy thermal setup on AKs, On a gun like the AK74M, or AKM, use the new SAG microsight side rail (the one that can only fit micro optics) put your thermal there, then replace the rear iron sight with the TT pic rail mount and use an eotech Exps3-0 (the tan one), then you can aim down the eotech, and under it you can have thermal vision!
With the armasight u are missing something about it that makes it worth the ledx every time (it lights up cultists like glowsticks, so long as you are on fusion mode)
1:25 I've only recently picked up Tarkov again and also recently discovered your channel, so I'm not sure if shoulder-switching was in the game when this video was made, but using the T12W on a canted mount and left-shouldering your weapon seems like it could be good? Unfortunately can't test for myself at the moment. Oh what a glorious day it will be when somebody invents a canted mount that goes LEFT
IR is not good in tarkov, we should have heat from ground / sunny places / places where players stayed. Here you just turn it on an see only players. It is closer than cheat rather than cool realistic IR
Yeah now you’re just having more things the game has to keep track of. Desync is tough enough trying to pinpoint where players are, now why also make it pinpoint where they used to be?
I just use the FLIR. It's extremely cheap for what you can do iwth it at only 650k ish, bought directly from a trader and can be equiped with no mount. It also has a pretty decent zoom and the only downgrades I'd give it is the low refreshment rate and that it comes with a 2.25x zoom by default, which is too much for cqb.
I would like to see your FPS counter when you use the thermal. I notice that when I use a couple of +4 mag scopes on woods I get a 20-30 FPS hit when zoomed. Do you notice a performance hit with the thermals?
@@ScoopzyDaizy I would think a Ryzen 9 5900x at 4.2Ghz, a Radeon RX6700xt, and 32GB of system memory should be more than adequate to run this game. The FPS drop doesn’t make sense to me. My computer may not be the bleeding edge of newest tech but it is plenty powerful enough to run any modern game without hard FPS drops while using a scope.
Bought my first zeus from jager this wipe. Horrified to see they nerfed fusion into the ground. 2x now has a much lower resolution, and PMC's no longer glow with an aura, meaning you can't see them around corners anymore.
not gona lie but the clip at the end showing that you could just wait outside the car extract and hop in last second therefore not needing to cave in your skull at the sign in front of it with hopes and dreams for 60 seconds witch was always my bigest complaint about car extracts probably will help me more than the entire rest of the video so basicaly what i want to say thank you for this video its contents shall help me greatly from now on and maby my in game caracter will even regrow his nose at the right spot for i shurly belive it was launchet deep into his skull by ithere the force i pressed that head against any amount of cover surounding one of those extracts or the amount of lead spontainiusly appering in the air
actually i did psycho sniper in 2nd try on factory using cheapest weapon ever VPO with AP-M rounds :D was much easier for me than SBIH or tarkov shooter part 8 where you have to kill with headshots
they need to buff all the refresh rates on thermals as well as the view distances tbh, atm there's not much reason to even use them and they all feel like shit to use
People might tell my how to use a rope but...I think thermal sights are better for killing at range,and night mode,I really dont like using them in close range and not the biggest fan at mid range
@gigabeef I am sorry that I'm that guy but 4:25, and you may already know this but it's my pet peeve so I have to point out that the phrase actually goes "hit or miss" not hit AND miss unless of course you are referring to me trying to aim with a thermal scope in which case it is mostly miss
Hey giga i find that when i go into maps with a good set of gear, i get into lobbys with overall better gear compared to when I run naked, is this true?
@@thangluongviet6461 I was just doing zabralo factory and like everyone had chad suits, i then decided to go naked with some RIP rounds for leg meta and now every one is naked :((
Could be intentional because currently in game there isn't any hard counter to the Thermal sight. And before anyone says anything, SJ9 and SJ12 do not stack and SJ9 does not drop body temp low enough to be useful as a direct counter.
@@v4lhulme its most surely 100% a bug. if they wanted a counter to thermals they would add functional PMC clothing that is made to counter thermals. it's already half implemented, bags and such wont appear on thermal. usually you're looking for shoulders and legs as the torso and back are covered by rigs and bags
in real life most of these thermal sights can be attached to a helmet mount as a form of thermal night vision. for a game that flaunts its "realism" and gear accuracy im surprised they haven't added these features
Ngl, I don’t find thermals being actually that useful especially given the current price they have. All though I see why someone would want to rock one of these on night woods or shoreline, still a pretty boring way of playing just sitting and scanning the area around you.
9:32 perfectly shows what thermal gameplay is like, actually had me laughing out loud.
See something hot, start putting rounds into it, cant tell if whatever it is is dead or not so put another one in for good measure and even after the engagement is over you're still not even sure if you just spent 100k of ammo on a living person, a dead body or even just a hot bit of environment. Classic :D
Yesterday i was literally mag dumping a dead body because i couldn’t tell if it was dead. Wasted 40+ rounds of m80 on a fucking corpse…
@@PartyCrasher04 well, that is dumb af
not my gameplay, I se heat, turn to 9x and take a headshoot.
They should make a cheaper hand held thermal like the ranging device. Thats how they are traditionally used irl anyways
no, we need a rushed arena mode and shitty armor hitboxes before an actually good idea like yours is implemented
Read the description of the reap-ir
The Flir and reapir are supposed to be able to be used like that. The Flir is supposed to even be able to go 1x and attach to a helmet mount for a monocular thermal
Dude that's genius
@@gruzi.more bosses for spoiled streamers!!!
Zeus knife barter is locked behind broadcast 5
Also, one thing you didn't mention that can be a real issue at longer distance is the weird top to down refresh on both zeus and flir, which you can see clearly at 05:11, it messed up so many shots for me
yea that thing is really bad with the zeus. cant line up a perfect shot at range because the refresh rate appears to constantly move your crosshair down. its a very weird feeling.
I dismissed everything he has to
Say when he pronounced it FL-ee-r
@@carlsonbench1827 Ah yes because accents affect facts
dude i havent seen a cultist all wipe outside spooky szn
The same key being bound to both zoom and mode change is what has made the new thermals practically irrelevant for me. Too fiddly. And it's hard to beat the sugar barter for the Flir. Especially when you stock up early wipe, but even now, aquamari and sugar are a decently efficient hideout food, and you basically get a free thermal after using a bunch of them down to 1 point.
For me I have zoom set to mouse wheel up and optic change to mouse wheel down.
@@darkally1235 I wasn't talking about changing optics. You change the red hot/fusion modes on these scopes by cycling the zoom. 1x Red > 2x Red > 1x Fusion > 2x Fusion > 1x Red... Same thing goes for that one long range scope sniper scavs sometimes have on an SV-98. Really nice (for the price) scope, but you can light up the reticle, so every time you change the zoom you have to click it 3 times to go back to the one you started with, instead of just one click on a normal scope. Just a pain in the ass to deal with.
@@__qqq__ Ahh, yes. That is slightly annoying. Happens with the 1P59 & 69 too.
Just rebind the keys?
@@davidejlertsen5577 No, it's a "feature" of the scope. The same key which changes zoom on VPOs changes the thermal "mode".
@9:47 yes, bullet hits are hot (for some reason). Candles are another confusing heat source.
You need to slow down your scanning when using a thermal because of the low refresh rate. You need to do a smooth pan, not whipping it around. The low refresh rate also makes it very difficult to hit targets moving side to side.
it actually makes sense how something able to notice candlefire from 350m does see heat of kinetic contact of bullet. And maybe some of heat from initial explosion pushing it if it didnt fly that far.
Currently there's a Barter (probably behind a quest) for an M4A1 with a REAPR. Costs 1 LedX
Nice one! You were just testing out the Echo the other day where you had a few surprise kills on Woods, and I guess it intrigued you enough to make a full video on them.
Night time Woods Ultima cam with a scope and AP-20s is nasty.
I’m new so I was very excited to get the Pines thermal reflex sight and booooooooooy have I never been sadder
I use the Zeus on Fusion mode because with the proper post-fx setting it can be used with GPNVG helmet mounted night vision to great effect for huge night raiding.
Hello Gigabeef, Its everyone here! We love you
I've been using Echo for weeks now and have gotten used to it. Made me wonder if this will give me a bad habit considering target acquisition but it actually improved it with other scopes as well. I now use it with ARs as well.
The refresh rate of the scopes has basically killed using any of them for me. They feel so bad when trying to shoot and I rarely hit targets at range. I tried the Zeus a couple times early wipe before the lock behind broadcast five and felt like complete garbage. The only semi useful one is the reapir and even that one still had still had some issues.
U re so dumb.
Refresh rate on one of the scopes is nerfed for no reason, the flir i think? Its supposed to be 60hz but is locked at 30, sooooo fucking stupid
Can you please do a video on Flashlight, Flashlight+Laser combos on how much they flash the vision of the opponent? Like, what's the difference between the Klesch, X400 and the Baldr Pro, other than their prices?
Honestly just don't use the combo devices. Use the xhp and an ir laser device like the anpeq15
Awesome as always
really informative, thanks buddy 👍👍👍
I wanted to comment that you can have a pretty cool gameboy thermal setup on AKs,
On a gun like the AK74M, or AKM, use the new SAG microsight side rail (the one that can only fit micro optics) put your thermal there, then replace the rear iron sight with the TT pic rail mount and use an eotech Exps3-0 (the tan one), then you can aim down the eotech, and under it you can have thermal vision!
Kinda funky, I like it :)
Does this still work? I heard that this was patched in the last few months
Still works
"TT pic rail" is AK Taktika Tula TT01
@@MadameMishka.
Nevermind it's not working as intended, also it fucks up the fps if you have an old rig
Not sure if it was a thing when the video was made but the ReapIR has a ledx barter as well. It's on a m4 with some other nice parts.
With the armasight u are missing something about it that makes it worth the ledx every time (it lights up cultists like glowsticks, so long as you are on fusion mode)
1:25 I've only recently picked up Tarkov again and also recently discovered your channel, so I'm not sure if shoulder-switching was in the game when this video was made, but using the T12W on a canted mount and left-shouldering your weapon seems like it could be good? Unfortunately can't test for myself at the moment. Oh what a glorious day it will be when somebody invents a canted mount that goes LEFT
Because of the refresh rate I really only play the real IR. I like the zoom and it’s super clear.
how can they still fuck up sensitivity for any sight???
IR is not good in tarkov, we should have heat from ground / sunny places / places where players stayed. Here you just turn it on an see only players. It is closer than cheat rather than cool realistic IR
Yeah now you’re just having more things the game has to keep track of. Desync is tough enough trying to pinpoint where players are, now why also make it pinpoint where they used to be?
I just use the FLIR. It's extremely cheap for what you can do iwth it at only 650k ish, bought directly from a trader and can be equiped with no mount. It also has a pretty decent zoom and the only downgrades I'd give it is the low refreshment rate and that it comes with a 2.25x zoom by default, which is too much for cqb.
I would like to see your FPS counter when you use the thermal. I notice that when I use a couple of +4 mag scopes on woods I get a 20-30 FPS hit when zoomed. Do you notice a performance hit with the thermals?
As annoying as that may be for someone with an old machine, it's literally a non issue for people running the game on newer hardware.
@@ScoopzyDaizy I would think a Ryzen 9 5900x at 4.2Ghz, a Radeon RX6700xt, and 32GB of system memory should be more than adequate to run this game. The FPS drop doesn’t make sense to me. My computer may not be the bleeding edge of newest tech but it is plenty powerful enough to run any modern game without hard FPS drops while using a scope.
Bought my first zeus from jager this wipe. Horrified to see they nerfed fusion into the ground. 2x now has a much lower resolution, and PMC's no longer glow with an aura, meaning you can't see them around corners anymore.
The reap ir has a barter for a ledx it comes on a prebuilt m4 from peacekeeper i belive
One thing you didnt mention. The zeus is the only thermal that can spot cultists.
I can still see cultist with Flir though?
@@thangluongviet6461 but its super faint. Super hard to spot them. With the zeus.
Its clear as day
not gona lie but the clip at the end showing that you could just wait outside the car extract and hop in last second therefore not needing to cave in your skull at the sign in front of it with hopes and dreams for 60 seconds witch was always my bigest complaint about car extracts probably will help me more than the entire rest of the video
so basicaly what i want to say thank you for this video its contents shall help me greatly from now on
and maby my in game caracter will even regrow his nose at the right spot for i shurly belive it was launchet deep into his skull by ithere the force i pressed that head against any amount of cover surounding one of those extracts or the amount of lead spontainiusly appering in the air
im not sure why but i really get down with the torrey pines reflex thermal, at first i ahted it tbh but now i like it
actually i did psycho sniper in 2nd try on factory using cheapest weapon ever VPO with AP-M rounds :D was much easier for me than SBIH or tarkov shooter part 8 where you have to kill with headshots
they need to buff all the refresh rates on thermals as well as the view distances tbh, atm there's not much reason to even use them and they all feel like shit to use
point taken, don't take echo to woods, take flir.
is it a weird bug or intentional that we cant see through smoke with thermal? I feel like thats were it should shine the most
Smoke nades burn hot
The game would be better without thermals. Night raids used to be so much fun without them, now i avoid them completely.
People might tell my how to use a rope but...I think thermal sights are better for killing at range,and night mode,I really dont like using them in close range and not the biggest fan at mid range
@gigabeef I am sorry that I'm that guy but 4:25, and you may already know this but it's my pet peeve so I have to point out that the phrase actually goes "hit or miss" not hit AND miss unless of course you are referring to me trying to aim with a thermal scope in which case it is mostly miss
the reflex sight thermal is just way too low refresh rate to be worth using
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Hey giga i find that when i go into maps with a good set of gear, i get into lobbys with overall better gear compared to when I run naked, is this true?
it the complete opposite for me though
@@thangluongviet6461 I was just doing zabralo factory and like everyone had chad suits, i then decided to go naked with some RIP rounds for leg meta and now every one is naked :((
The reap-ir is the only thermal without a range limit. At least it used to be. So you don’t have to worry about the 250 years limit with it.
the 10hz screen looks like a nerf thermal scope
it seems zeus got nerfed within last 4 months
hilarious that a game that jerks itself off about its realism like tarkov can't code thermals seeing through smoke.
Could be intentional because currently in game there isn't any hard counter to the Thermal sight. And before anyone says anything, SJ9 and SJ12 do not stack and SJ9 does not drop body temp low enough to be useful as a direct counter.
@@v4lhulme its most surely 100% a bug. if they wanted a counter to thermals they would add functional PMC clothing that is made to counter thermals. it's already half implemented, bags and such wont appear on thermal. usually you're looking for shoulders and legs as the torso and back are covered by rigs and bags
in real life most of these thermal sights can be attached to a helmet mount as a form of thermal night vision. for a game that flaunts its "realism" and gear accuracy im surprised they haven't added these features
They have there is a helmet mounted thermal it’s 17 mil
@@alexzhang9468 thats prohibitively expensive, its realistic to be able to use these scopes as a mono sight on a helmet mount.
I don’t like any of the thermals rather use my razor 1-6x but the reapir is so nice all I buy when reset is up but never gon use it 😂😂
Having a thermal any other time but at night is a complete waste.
Ngl, I don’t find thermals being actually that useful especially given the current price they have. All though I see why someone would want to rock one of these on night woods or shoreline, still a pretty boring way of playing just sitting and scanning the area around you.
Doesnt cover how far 1x thermals detect enemies it is not 250 meters for sure
Zeus is the best
Cool
tarkov became ukraine sniper sim
F l ee R ?!?!? Most heretical pronunciation so far.
You must be saying it like that intentionally
It's an acronym, not a word. Who cares how it's pronounced?