What a class act. Instead of shrugging off my comment and/or saying that you know better, you humbly setup a test to show us. I agree that all rounds (-birdshot) will probably go right through one wall after a miss. And have enough energy to cause harm. My initial curiosity and thought experiment did consider rule 4 and multiple walls. My thinking was to at minimum, consider both my neighbors and my exterior wal penetration amount after a miss. Furthermore, I'm guessing that multiple wall penetration would decrease .223/556 velocity enough to decrease further multiple wall penetration. I know some folks will resign to the thinking that they will all just go through walls, so why worry. But I'm appealing to gun owners to understand that they WILL miss under a self/home defense situation. And knowing whether 223/9/12g will go through 2 walls or 2 houses may be important when considering shooting angles and defensive strategy. Successfully defending your home and accidentally shooting an innocent neighbor isn't a win. Especially if it may have been avoided with a little more information that lead to better strategies. I think I need to order some more ammo 👍
There are intricacies with ballistics with bullet type, velocity, etc. However, I think people make this too complicated. If a projectile can pass through 12+ inches of water-based biological material, it is also going to go through other things too. The whole purpose of a bullet is to penetrate things and they are designed to do this. If a bullet hits a heavy block of wood, it will deposit energy into it. If it doesn't, it won't. I think that even a .380 is probably going to penetrate most of the surface area of a typical house wall and exit with potentially lethal force. Unless you have a solid brick, cement, or log house bullets are going to whizz through most of it, especially interior walls. Unless you want to get into stuff like birds shot and ultra-frangibles, nothing is really going to change this in a home defense scenario.
What about with different lower velocity revolver and semi-auto calibers; .38 Special, .44 Special, .45 ACP?... Some people think that these are better for home defense - because they don't penetrate as far.
I believe people wonder about over penatration in home defense so my question is how would the rounds penatrate the wall after going through a body (blastic gell) with bones and organs
Nice. When I saw the title I thought you would use the PCC from the Barrel length video. With higher bullet velocity we may get the 9mm farther into the walls and maybe even beyond. As I say again and again, Chuck Norris would give a BB gun the same stopping power as an AR-15 😂
What I want to know is what is the difference between 9mm and .45 ACP, for someone living in an apartment. Is .45 ACP safer, i.e., more likely to not penetrate walls, than 9mm?
It really doesn't cost much or take much effort to go down to the hardware store and get a single panel of drywall and some 2x4s, some insulation and erect a demonstrative piece of wall. No doing outside walls simulating siding or brick or other structures may be more of a hassle.
I don't know why over penetration has become the scary monster of home defense.🤷♂ I do not have a rifle of any kind setup for home defense and it has nothing to do with over penetration. I simply do not want to touch off a rifle indoors if it isn't suppressed, it is just to friggin loud. That is why I hate rifles at indoor ranges, they suck indoors.🤦♂ PCC's are the king of home defense in my opinion, it is safer on the ears,🤷♂but that is just my opinion, you do you.👍
Handguns are loud, too, and most of the time hearing is attenuated by the brain during a shooting. It doesn't mean you will not suffer hearing loss, but it means you probably will not hear the gunfire in the adrenaline rush in the body. This is how I lost hearing in my right ear after two LEO shootings decades ago.
@@Lee-rq1ek I honestly couldn't point a finger at the cause of my hearing loss. It could be gunfire, it could be infections.🤷♂ But I want to preserve what I can.👍
I also wondered the same thing. I think when I do another test on walls I will shoot some portion of the wall section with ballistic gel in front just to sort of gauge the penetration difference. Great minds think alike! Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment.
It is holding up very well! I have always had great luck with them, especially when you factor in the cost. Not in any way a high dollar optic, but adequate. Thanks for viewing!
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What a class act. Instead of shrugging off my comment and/or saying that you know better, you humbly setup a test to show us.
I agree that all rounds (-birdshot) will probably go right through one wall after a miss. And have enough energy to cause harm.
My initial curiosity and thought experiment did consider rule 4 and multiple walls. My thinking was to at minimum, consider both my neighbors and my exterior wal penetration amount after a miss. Furthermore, I'm guessing that multiple wall penetration would decrease .223/556 velocity enough to decrease further multiple wall penetration.
I know some folks will resign to the thinking that they will all just go through walls, so why worry. But I'm appealing to gun owners to understand that they WILL miss under a self/home defense situation. And knowing whether 223/9/12g will go through 2 walls or 2 houses may be important when considering shooting angles and defensive strategy. Successfully defending your home and accidentally shooting an innocent neighbor isn't a win. Especially if it may have been avoided with a little more information that lead to better strategies.
I think I need to order some more ammo 👍
I don't know if there's an afterlife but if there is, I picture Bob Ross telling Paul Harrell that he's a fan.
Paul Harrell, now with us in sprit, has a presentation that very thoroughly tests bullets and wall resistance.
There are intricacies with ballistics with bullet type, velocity, etc. However, I think people make this too complicated. If a projectile can pass through 12+ inches of water-based biological material, it is also going to go through other things too. The whole purpose of a bullet is to penetrate things and they are designed to do this. If a bullet hits a heavy block of wood, it will deposit energy into it. If it doesn't, it won't. I think that even a .380 is probably going to penetrate most of the surface area of a typical house wall and exit with potentially lethal force. Unless you have a solid brick, cement, or log house bullets are going to whizz through most of it, especially interior walls. Unless you want to get into stuff like birds shot and ultra-frangibles, nothing is really going to change this in a home defense scenario.
What about with different lower velocity revolver and semi-auto calibers; .38 Special, .44 Special, .45 ACP?... Some people think that these are better for home defense - because they don't penetrate as far.
You have to remember to hide behind the wall studs in a gun fight lol.
I noticed that nail before your 3rd shot, figured it was what it was. 😆
I believe people wonder about over penatration in home defense so my question is how would the rounds penatrate the wall after going through a body (blastic gell) with bones and organs
Nice.
When I saw the title I thought you would use the PCC from the Barrel length video. With higher bullet velocity we may get the 9mm farther into the walls and maybe even beyond.
As I say again and again, Chuck Norris would give a BB gun the same stopping power as an AR-15 😂
What I want to know is what is the difference between 9mm and .45 ACP, for someone living in an apartment. Is .45 ACP safer, i.e., more likely to not penetrate walls, than 9mm?
It really doesn't cost much or take much effort to go down to the hardware store and get a single panel of drywall and some 2x4s, some insulation and erect a demonstrative piece of wall. No doing outside walls simulating siding or brick or other structures may be more of a hassle.
I wonder if there are any in-depth studies on injuries caused by bullet overpenetration?
I don't know why over penetration has become the scary monster of home defense.🤷♂
I do not have a rifle of any kind setup for home defense and it has nothing to do with over penetration. I simply do not want to touch off a rifle indoors if it isn't suppressed, it is just to friggin loud. That is why I hate rifles at indoor ranges, they suck indoors.🤦♂ PCC's are the king of home defense in my opinion, it is safer on the ears,🤷♂but that is just my opinion, you do you.👍
Handguns are loud, too, and most of the time hearing is attenuated by the brain during a shooting. It doesn't mean you will not suffer hearing loss, but it means you probably will not hear the gunfire in the adrenaline rush in the body. This is how I lost hearing in my right ear after two LEO shootings decades ago.
@@Lee-rq1ek I have shot both indoors, I will stick with pistol calibers.👍
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That's good...I lost a great deal of hearing from two pistol shootings outside while an LEO.
@@Lee-rq1ek I honestly couldn't point a finger at the cause of my hearing loss. It could be gunfire, it could be infections.🤷♂ But I want to preserve what I can.👍
What’s the leftover energy after passing through a “living” target?
I also wondered the same thing. I think when I do another test on walls I will shoot some portion of the wall section with ballistic gel in front just to sort of gauge the penetration difference. Great minds think alike! Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment.
So many variables to evaluate, but very insightful question and I agree.
Hows the Firefield 1-6 holding up?
It is holding up very well! I have always had great luck with them, especially when you factor in the cost. Not in any way a high dollar optic, but adequate. Thanks for viewing!
@@AmmoMart Thanks for responding! would love to see a review of budget optics that you use / prefer :)